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God of War. SPG 2S19 "MSTA-S": more than 30 years in the army

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SPG 2S19 "MSTA-S" at the training ground, 2018. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru


Since the end of the eighties in our army, the replacement of the existing 2C3 Akatsia self-propelled artillery systems was carried out with newer and more advanced 2C19 Msta-S. In the future, it was possible to form a fairly large fleet of similar equipment, as well as to carry out several modernizations that significantly improve combat qualities.

Development and production


The main developer of the promising self-propelled gun 2S19 was the Ural Transport Engineering Plant. In 1983-84 he made prototypes and prototypes of such a machine, which were used at different stages of testing. After completion of refinement, in 1986 built an installation batch of six armored vehicles.

Full-scale serial production of 2C19 products with a 2A64 gun was launched in 1988, a few months before its official adoption. The Sverdlovsk plant at that time could not start assembling new equipment, which is why it had to be transferred to the enterprise in Sterlitamak. Later, production was returned to Uraltransmash, which is still responsible for the production and modernization of self-propelled guns. The guns and related systems were produced by the Barricades factory; other units came from other enterprises.


Msta-S and its ammunition during training firing, March 25, 2020. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru

Almost immediately after the launch of the series, work began on modernization and the creation of an improved modification. Self-propelled guns "Msta-SM" (2S19M or 2S33) was supposed to show increased rate of fire, range and accuracy of fire. Calculations and studies have confirmed the possibility of obtaining such results. Nevertheless, the army changed its views on the development of self-propelled artillery, and 2S33 did not reach production and service.

In the mid-nineties, 2C19 production was suspended for economic reasons. Only in 2000-2001 It was possible to launch a program for the overhaul of equipment with the replacement of units that worked out a resource. About the resumption of production of speech has not yet been discussed.

At the beginning of the 152s, a fundamental decision was made to launch research and development to create a completely new interspecific 2-mm self-propelled guns, which later became known as 35CXNUMX “Coalition-SV”. The new project took into account the developments of the Msta-S and Msta-SM projects.

Despite the launch of work on the future Coalition, the development of the Msta-S family did not stop. Already at the beginning of the 2s, a 19S1MXNUMX modernization project appeared, providing for the replacement of the main on-board combat systems. It was proposed to carry out similar procedures during the overhaul of available equipment.


Self-propelled gun modification 2S19M1, involved in celebrations. The “M1” modification can be distinguished from the base 2C19 by the characteristic “fungus” of the satellite navigation antenna in the rear of the tower roof. Photo "Uraltransmash" / uraltransmash.com

Soon an interesting modernization project appeared, designed exclusively for the international market. The self-propelled guns 2S19M1-155 received a new 155 mm rifled gun, designed to fire NATO standards. However, as subsequent events showed, such self-propelled guns did not interest potential buyers. Only Russian systems of 152 mm caliber were exported.

In the mid-2008s, preparations began to resume production. The first serial self-propelled guns, built on topical projects, entered the troops in XNUMX. Production continues to this day.

In 2012, it was announced the development of a new improved project - 2C19M2. It uses an updated 2A64M2 howitzer and modern MSA in combination with other components. Measures to reduce visibility were proposed. In the summer of 2012, the 2S19M2 self-propelled guns passed tests, and production soon began. The first reports on the supply of similar equipment of new construction appeared in mid-2013.

Features of upgrades


Consider the main features of the basic and upgraded versions of 2S19 self-propelled guns. All these projects offer an artillery system on a tank chassis equipped with a turret with a 152-mm rifled howitzer of the 2A64 family. The differences of the modifications are mainly in the composition of a variety of electronic equipment. The latest update project provides for the replacement of some other components.


SPG 2S19M1 at the exercises, January 21, 2020. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru

Initially, the 2S19 self-propelled guns carried a 2A64 gun with a 1B124 fire control system. The equipment from the LMS provides data reception from the battery commander via a wired channel or by radio, to calculate the data for firing and to perform a tip. Some operations are performed by automation, others by the crew of the machine.

2S19 can use a wide range of separate-shell loading rounds, from simple high-explosive shells to cassette and guided ones. 50 shots are transported in stacks; it can be delivered from the ground or from a trucker. The 2A64 howitzer with a 47-klb barrel is capable of sending a high-explosive fragmentation shell to a range of up to 25 km; active-reactive - up to 29 km. Rate of fire - up to 7-8 rds / mn. Thanks to such indicators, at the time of its appearance, Msta-S was one of the best self-propelled guns in the world.

The 2S33 Msta-SM project involved the replacement of the 2A64 gun with a 2A79 product of the same caliber, the installation of new loading means and a promising SLA. In accordance with the statement of work, the firing range of a high-explosive fragmentation projectile was supposed to exceed 30 km, and active-reactive - 40 km. The rate of fire was brought to 10-12 rds / min. The device from the new MSA took on part of the crew’s tasks, reducing the preparation time for firing and the intervals between shots.


An experimental machine with a 155 mm caliber gun. Photo "Uraltransmash" / uraltransmash.com

The 2S19M1 self-propelled gun used the Success-S automated guidance and fire control system, which has significant advantages over previous equipment. ASUNO provides independent determination of current coordinates, automatic calculation of data for shooting, etc. She is also responsible for guidance and restoration of the tip. A satellite navigation system is installed.

According to the table characteristics, the machine of the M1 version differs little from the base 2C19. At the same time, the Success-S ASUNO allows the use of a wider range of ammunition, accelerates preparation for firing, and increases its accuracy and efficiency. The anti-fire maneuver was carried out with the possibility of a quick exit to another firing position and resumption of firing.

The export version of 2S19M1 was distinguished by the use of a 155-mm gun with a barrel length of 52 klb. Due to the lengthening of the barrel, it was possible to increase the firing range of the "ordinary" projectile up to 30 km, active-reactive - up to 40 km. Otherwise, 2C19M1-155 almost completely repeated the base sample.


Self-propelled artillery of one of tank divisions of the Central Military District, October 16, 2019 In the frame of the 2S19M2 modification machine. They differ from their predecessors "M2" with brackets on recoil devices and new side screens on the body. Photo by the RF Ministry of Defense / mil.ru

The 2S19M2 project provided for a deep modernization of the artillery unit and the LMS, as well as the introduction of fundamentally new components. The 2A64M2 howitzer, together with the new automatic loading system, shows a rate of fire of 10 rds / min. A new type of ASUNO is characterized by increased speed and the availability of new functions. In particular, the “fire raid" mode is provided - the launch of several shells in a row along different trajectories with a simultaneous fall on the target.

Measures are provided to protect self-propelled guns from detection and defeat by the enemy. The Steel Research Institute has developed for the 2S19M2 version of the “Cape” kit. A set of special screens dramatically reduces visibility in the radar and infrared ranges.

Military equipment


According to a number of estimates, to date, Soviet and Russian industry have built about 800 self-propelled howitzers 2C19 of all modifications. According to other sources, more than 1100 cars were produced. OK. 780 units (or more than 1000) of such equipment is currently in operation or in reserve in several countries. The main operator of Msta-S remains the Russian army, which has at its disposal the equipment of all serial modifications.


2С19М2 at the training ground, March 2020. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru

According to The Military Balance, in the Russian army there are 500 “active” and 150 reserve self-propelled guns of the 2C19 family. Another 18 vehicles are operated by the coastal forces of the Navy. A significant share of this technique is made up of modernized 2С19М1 and 2С19М2, the total number of which continues to grow.

For example, in 2008-2011. the army received approx. 200 cars 2S19M1, made by repair and modernization of old equipment. In 2017, their deliveries resumed and are still ongoing. In total, almost 300 self-propelled guns from combat units were updated for the current project.

Deliveries of self-propelled guns “Msta-SM2” of a new construction began in 2013, and the first batch included 35 combat vehicles. Subsequently, new deliveries were reported. Units in different military districts received 10-20 units. technicians. Just recently, the Ministry of Defense said that in 2020 the troops will again receive 35 modern self-propelled guns.

2C19 self-propelled howitzers are designed for operation in artillery regiments from tank and motorized rifle divisions or brigades of ground and coast troops. Self-propelled guns are reduced to batteries of eight units, also equipped with control vehicles and auxiliary equipment. According to open sources, the Russian armed forces have approx. 30 divisions and brigades with regiments of self-propelled guns "Msta-S".

Foreign operators


By the time of the collapse of the USSR, industry managed to produce a significant amount of 2S19 self-propelled guns, and a small part of this equipment went to the newly formed states. In the future, there were a few export contracts, thanks to which self-propelled guns came to foreign countries.


2S19M1 direct fire, March 2020. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru

12 cars are used by the Belarusian army. Several cars went to Georgia, but now only one remains in service. The Ukrainian park included 40 units, and by now it has been reduced to 35 cars. The Ukrainian army used its self-propelled guns during the "anti-terrorist operation" in the Donbass. Already in 2014, 5 or 6 self-propelled guns became trophies of the self-proclaimed republics and were subsequently used against the former owners.

Ethiopia became the first real foreign customer. In 1999, against the backdrop of the conflict with Eritrea, the Ethiopian army acquired 12 self-propelled guns in Russia. The equipment was put out of stock, which allowed us to complete the order in the shortest possible time. Soon, combat vehicles took part in the battles and showed high efficiency. This was facilitated by both the own characteristics of self-propelled guns and the poor condition of enemy troops.

In 2009, Azerbaijan acquired 18 self-propelled guns of a new construction. Soon, the Venezuelan contract for 48 cars of modification 2C19M1 was fulfilled. All this equipment still remains in service and makes up the most important part of the artillery troops in their armies.

Msta-S and its analogues


At the moment, the 2S19 Msta-S self-propelled howitzer and its modifications are one of the main examples of its class in the Russian army. Together with the older 2C3 "Acacia" they are able to solve all the main fire missions and hit targets at a depth of tens of kilometers.


A curious shot - ACS 2S19 Ethiopian army, 2006. Photo Scalemodels.ru

“Msta-S” in all versions compares favorably with “Acacia” in the increased rate of fire and firing range of any shells. In the new modifications there are additional advantages associated with modern MSA / ASUNO, as well as promising ammunition. However, 2C19 has a greater cost and complexity of operation, which does not allow to completely replace the old 2C3. However, together two types of self-propelled guns form a flexible tool for solving a wide range of combat missions.

It makes sense to compare the Russian 2C19 and foreign products of its class. According to the main “tabular” characteristics, Msta-S is not inferior to foreign self-propelled guns of its time, and in some cases there are certain advantages. 2C19 and its modern modifications of self-propelled guns M109 (USA), AMX AuF1 (France), etc. They have a close caliber, a wide range of ammunition and are capable of firing at a range of up to 25-30 km, depending on the projectile.

Newer foreign self-propelled guns such as the German PzH 2000 or the British AS90 show a range of up to 40 km when using active-reactive ammunition. We managed to obtain similar characteristics in the 2S19M1-155 export project, while other Msta-S variants are more modest. However, during the development of ways to modernize the 2S19 self-propelled guns, opportunities and methods were found to bring the firing range to 35-40 km and improve other indicators. To date, these developments have been used in the promising 2C35 project.


The present and future of Russian self-propelled artillery on Red Square, May 9, 2018. In the foreground is the 2S35 Coalition-SV self-propelled guns, followed by the modern 2S19M2 Msta-SM2. Photo AP RF / kremlin.ru

Thus, at the time of its appearance, the 2S19 self-propelled guns Msta-S was one of the best examples of the world and was in no way inferior to foreign systems. However, the development of foreign artillery continued, incl. and in connection with the appearance of Msta-S, and after a few years new products with improved characteristics became its result. Modern modernization projects 2S19M1 / 2 allow to increase the basic characteristics of the basic self-propelled guns and minimize the apparent lag behind competitors. It should be noted that a newer 2S35 self-propelled guns already exists, surpassing both all 2C19 variants and current foreign models.

Between the past and the future


At the moment, self-propelled guns of the Msta-S family are one of the foundations of self-propelled artillery of the Russian army. In the ranks there are several hundred combat vehicles of this line; production of new ones continues and deep modernization of old ones is carried out. All this allows you to maintain the required level of combat readiness and gradually increase the overall potential of artillery units.

2С19 / 2С19М1 / 2С19М2 are not yet the most numerous systems of caliber 152 mm, however, due to the high tactical and technical characteristics, they are of particular importance for the troops. Now they are used in parallel with older models, and in the near future it is expected that deliveries of fundamentally new equipment will begin.

The promising Coalition-SV will not soon begin to supplant Mstu-S, and the latter will have to last for many years. Such self-propelled guns in the foreseeable future will retain their current status, and industry will do everything possible to improve them - and further continue effective service.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 7 May 2020 05: 47 New
    +6
    It is necessary to slowly replace it with the Coalition, only modernize the decommissioned machines and send them for storage, but not for disposal.
    1. svp67
      svp67 7 May 2020 07: 39 New
      -13
      Quote: Thrifty
      We need to slowly replace it with the Coalition

      Alas, even the "Coalition" in the form that it is now being accepted is not a way out of the "artillery deadlock" in which our army and the military-industrial complex found themselves. Until they began their massive supply to the troops, the "Coalition" should be converted to 155-mm. That will allow and raise the characteristics of the gun itself, in particular, the firing range and export prospects
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 7 May 2020 08: 17 New
        10
        Well, how does the translation at 155 mm affect the range? Can you imagine what it means to transfer the whole army to a different caliber? How much is it?
        1. svp67
          svp67 7 May 2020 10: 02 New
          -3
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Can you imagine what it means to transfer the whole army to a different caliber? How much will it cost

          Do you represent the RATES of our rearmament? By the time of the universal transition to 155 mm, we will have spent 152 mm shells and the resource of those barrels
      2. aws4
        aws4 7 May 2020 09: 00 New
        +2
        Please expand the topic, it’s very interesting .. I heard that the thing is not in the caliber itself but in gunpowder .. maybe there is an article on this topic or will you write?
      3. qQQQ
        qQQQ 7 May 2020 09: 12 New
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        Until they began their massive supply to the troops, the "Coalition" should be converted to 155-mm.

        With a slight increase in the characteristics of range and power, we will get just a giant hemorrhoid to replace the entire range of 152 by 155. In modern conditions, no country can pull such "happiness" economically. There is zero sense in this action.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 May 2020 09: 40 New
          +8
          Quote: qqqq
          With a slight increase in range and power characteristics,

          Neither one nor the other is associated with "+3 mm in caliber".
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 7 May 2020 10: 09 New
            +2
            And is there really these three millimeters? The West and Russia measure caliber differently.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 May 2020 10: 14 New
              14
              Irrelevant.
              To increase the firing range, lengthen the barrel and increase the volume of the charging chamber
              To increase the power of action, modern explosives are used for the target, shell shells are being modified, modern multifunctional fuses are used.

              There is no transition from 152 to 155 in this list.
              1. svp67
                svp67 8 May 2020 04: 55 New
                -2
                Quote: Spade
                There is no transition from 152 to 155 in this list.

                Well, in vain ... We remain, in fact, the only country that has not switched to 155x52 ...
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 8 May 2020 08: 18 New
                  +3
                  Quote: svp67
                  Quote: Spade
                  There is no transition from 152 to 155 in this list.

                  Well, in vain ... We remain, in fact, the only country that has not switched to 155x52 ...

                  Fashion is not always good
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 8 May 2020 10: 41 New
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    Fashion is not always good

                    If she's stupid, then yes, but not in this case. Even when the weapon for the "MSTA" was given back, the designer proposed to develop a new type of projectile, which in its characteristics was very close to what was then offered to NATO in the form of 155x52, perhaps it was even better, but the counterargument in the huge stocks of ammunition that were not used up took over ...
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 8 May 2020 10: 46 New
                      +3
                      Quote: svp67
                      the designers proposed to develop a new type of projectile

                      Dear, in a 155 mm shot the main thing is not a shell. A charge. Cartose in the majority. And a little diluted with newfangled expensive modules.
                      The transition to NATO 155 is, first of all, the rejection of separate-shell loading.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 8 May 2020 10: 53 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Spade
                        Dear, in a 155 mm shot the main thing is not a shell. A charge

                        Nevertheless, the shells themselves, especially the latest series, are even very ... good. They are already designed for high speed.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 8 May 2020 11: 23 New
                        +3
                        Quote: svp67
                        Nevertheless, the shells themselves, especially the latest series, are even very ... good.

                        And what prevents to make the same "good" 152-mm projectile?
        2. qQQQ
          qQQQ 7 May 2020 11: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Neither one nor the other is associated with "+3 mm in caliber".

          I understand that even if it is theoretically assumed that the extra 3 mm will give more explosives, etc., then the game is not worth the candle.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 7 May 2020 12: 11 New
            +4
            There is no 3 mm. Russia measures the caliber on the "fields". This is the part that cuts into the belt of the projectile. The West measures on the grooves. The actual diameter of the projectile is just the third value. I can of course be mistaken, but the actual size of the projectile in 152 mm is larger than that of 155 mm. But I'm not sure. Rumors are possible.
            1. qQQQ
              qQQQ 7 May 2020 14: 46 New
              0
              Quote: garri-lin
              Russia measures the caliber on the "fields". This is the part that cuts into the belt of the projectile. The West measures on the grooves.

              Thanks for the information.
            2. svp67
              svp67 8 May 2020 05: 19 New
              -1
              Quote: garri-lin
              I can of course be mistaken, but the actual size of the projectile at 152 mm is larger than at 155 mm.

              Here the problem is more than the "notorious 3-mm" that everyone grabbed onto. There is a single NATO standard 155x52 and it is on it that all countries of the world producing artillery systems are switching, with the exception of Russia, even China has transferred its artillery to the NATO standard. Their shells are more advanced than ours. That allows, over time and if desired, to increase their flight speed, and, therefore, to raise the range, while maintaining high accuracy ... If shells similar in their aerodynamic properties are included in the Coalition, I will only be glad, but for now we rely for shells developed and produced by the USSR
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 8 May 2020 19: 39 New
                +2
                To do this, you do not need to switch to a new caliber. It is enough to make new shells in the old caliber. For ALL used calibers. And work is underway in this area. Including in the context of the Coalition. But the old equipment will be able to shoot new shells.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 9 May 2020 09: 02 New
                  -1
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  But the old equipment will be able to shoot new shells.

                  Not really ... for new shells you need new varieties of gunpowder or an increase in the weight of gunpowder, which entails an increase in the charging chamber and an increase in pressure in the barrel. Otherwise, when firing new, heavier shells, the firing range will be lower. But the increased barrels may no longer withstand the increased pressure
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 9 May 2020 09: 46 New
                    +2
                    But in case of emergency it will be possible to shoot at least somehow. And from new guns with old shells and from old guns with new ones.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 May 2020 09: 42 New
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      need to translate to 155 mm.

      What for???
      It will not give anything.
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 May 2020 10: 04 New
        -3
        Quote: Spade
        What for???
        It will not give anything.

        At least in order to more actively promote and offer our new artillery systems. Whether we like it or not, the 155 mm reigns in the world now. And having our production of two calibers, one for domestic use, the second for import is not very profitable
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 May 2020 10: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          And having our production of two calibers, one for domestic use, the second for import is not very profitable

          Switching to a new caliber is even more disadvantageous.
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 May 2020 10: 26 New
            -5
            Quote: Spade
            Switching to a new caliber is even more disadvantageous.

            Provided that it must be done quickly. For example, having succumbed to our persuasions and prices, to buy 152-mm guns, having a full supply of 155 ... Here are many, calculating the "debit" with "credit" and refuse. And in our case, the rate of rearmament is such that at the moment when there are enough 155-mm guns, the reserves of 152-mm will already be at the point where they still have to be destroyed, and the barrels are shot up to the 5th category
    3. Hermit21
      Hermit21 7 May 2020 10: 02 New
      -4
      Someone is not satisfied with the range of 80+ kilometers from the "Koala"?
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 7 May 2020 17: 14 New
        -5
        even a range of 40+ km suits us. - what's the difference how to thin out the coming orders of thermonuclear shells of 20 kt with a rate of 10 per minute from 8 trunks of 1 battery
        such a good screening in total at 80 shells per minute at 1600 ct (1,6 Mt)
        where is the thread in the Baltic against penguins
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 7 May 2020 22: 56 New
          +1
          Thermonuclear shells do not happen. Nuclear artillery is also gone: they said that it’s a pity to destroy as many fissile materials as 5kT to destroy as many impressive 150 to 400 kT (but they are really thermonuclear). Yes, and the barrel artillery shoots not so far - it is harmful to survival: after the first shot with a mushroom, they will crush it with all the bourgeois hatred.
    4. venik
      venik 7 May 2020 20: 24 New
      -2
      Quote: svp67
      "Coalition" should be translated into 155 mm. That will allow and raise the characteristics of the gun itself, in particular, the firing range and export prospects

      ========
      About firing range (comparison of modern and perspective systems:
      1. 2S35 - HE shot - 40 km, active rocket - 56 km, guided by an artillery shell 70 km;
      2. M109A6 - HE shot - 24 km, with an active rocket - 30 km;
      3. PzH 2000 - HE shot - 30 km, active rocket - 56 km;
      4. PZL-52 - with a shot from an assault rifle - 39 km, with an active-missile projectile - 53 km.
      Well, WHY is there 155-mm, when the "Coalition" has a firing range at any - MORE!
      For your information::
      [i] 1. 2S35 - 152-mm rifled gun 2A88 with a barrel length - 52 caliber, ammunition - 50-70 rounds;
      2. M109A6 - 155 mm M284 rifled gun with a barrel length of 39 calibers, ammunition - 39 rounds;
      3. PzH 2000 - 155 mm rifled gun L52 with a barrel length - 52 caliber, ammunition - 60 rounds;
      4. PZL-52 - 155-mm rifled gun L52 with a barrel length - 52 caliber, ammunition - 30 rounds.

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      Quote: svp67
      Alas, even the "Coalition" in the form that it is now being accepted is not a way out of the "artillery deadlock" in which our army and the military-industrial complex found themselves.

      =======
      Forgive me, what kind of "dead end" are you talking about?
      PS
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 May 2020 04: 54 New
        -1
        Quote: venik
        Forgive me, what kind of "dead end" are you talking about?

        And you look how many attempts have been made recently to accept new artillery systems, but at least one of them has been delivered to the troops in the proper commodity quantities?
        And in this aspect, where and how much, over the past 10 years, has Russia supplied its artillery systems?
        But this is not even the main thing. Now we have remained the only power trying to create and promote something in the caliber of 152 mm, the whole world has switched or is moving to 155x52 NATO ...
  2. venik
    venik 7 May 2020 20: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Thrifty
    It is necessary to slowly replace it with the Coalition, only modernize the decommissioned machines and send them for storage, but not for disposal.

    =========
    It is necessary to replace "Mstu" with "Coalition" not "Mstu", but "Acacia" - they have almost exhausted their resource, and in terms of performance characteristics - it is not that!
  • BARKAS
    BARKAS 7 May 2020 06: 15 New
    +4
    This is the first self-propelled gun that I saw live back in the 94th before this self-propelled guns saw only in the movies. This one was impressive in size. I am sure that with timely modernization, including ammunition and control vehicles, it will last a very long time.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 7 May 2020 06: 27 New
      0
      And I never had a chance to touch it with my hands recourse
      I saw "Acacia", but not the heroine of the story ...
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 7 May 2020 06: 51 New
    -9
    500 pieces for the entire army is ugly little! If we take into account that in the motorized rifle division a regiment of 36 such self-propelled guns is put in the state, then only 14 divisions can be fully armed in the state! You must have at least 5000 of these self-propelled guns in service!
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 7 May 2020 06: 58 New
      +1
      There are several thousand of them only of different systems and calibers.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 7 May 2020 07: 56 New
        -7
        Acacia is already old, its firing range of 17 km is already completely insufficient in modern conditions. And artillery in a modern army must be self-propelled. The time for towed artillery took half a century ago.
        1. aws4
          aws4 7 May 2020 09: 12 New
          0
          why not Acacia to modernize your Paladin as Americans? there was a project with a longer pipe, the range increased and exceeded the usual OFs for 20 km .. plus change the guts to modern ones ... in my opinion at the moment with the lack of funds this is very true and Msta and Acacia will complement each other until better times. .
        2. Bodipancher
          Bodipancher 11 June 2020 05: 31 New
          0
          Nonsense, towed artillery also has its advantages. Both directions will develop in parallel. When rockets appeared, it was also fashionable to argue that the century of barrel artillery was gone.
    2. Peter is not the first
      Peter is not the first 7 May 2020 08: 35 New
      0
      Even "Akatsy" was not released so much, and even more so it is not in service:
      Russian Ground Forces - 1800 units of 2C3, of which 1000 are in storage, as of 2016 [45]
      Russian Marines - 50 2С3 units as of 2016 [46]

      The 2C3 self-propelled howitzer entered service with the artillery divisions of the artillery regiments of the tank and motorized rifle divisions of the USSR Ground Forces to replace the 152-mm howitzers ML-20, D-1 and D-20. The standard division consisted of 3 batteries of six self-propelled guns 2C3 (total 18 guns in the division), however, in some divisions there were 4 batteries of 152 mm guns (that is, 24 guns in the division)

      https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A13

      But replacing them all with more modern 2C19M2 and 2C35 would not hurt.
    3. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 7 May 2020 17: 17 New
      -5
      even ONE SPG Msta is redundant for nuclear shells with a rate of 10 per minute
  • kind
    kind 7 May 2020 07: 00 New
    +4
    He worked both on 2S3 "Akatsia" and on 2S19M "Msta-S", for me "Akatsiya" is more sincere or something! It's my opinion.
    1. Peter is not the first
      Peter is not the first 7 May 2020 08: 42 New
      +3

      For sincerity!
    2. aws4
      aws4 7 May 2020 09: 12 New
      0
      the same question - why not upgrade your Paladin as the Americans? there was a project with a longer pipe, the range increased and exceeded the usual OFs for 20 km .. plus change the guts to modern ones ... in my opinion at the moment with the lack of funds this is very true and Msta and Acacia will complement each other until better times. .
    3. Engineer
      Engineer 7 May 2020 13: 21 New
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      We shot from the Hyacinths. From the shooting of our division, both "avengers" and "acacians" twitched)))
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 7 May 2020 13: 30 New
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        So therefore I asked the author to compare not only with Acacia, but also Hyacinth.
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 7 May 2020 13: 46 New
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          These systems complement each other so far.
          Hyacinth is more powerful than a projectile and there is a special ammunition. Those who have operated both systems assure that Hyacinth has no equal among ACS in terms of accuracy. There are also fewer accidents with him - shooting "from the ground" is
          But much longer is the transfer from traveling to combat. Therefore, it is very problematic to use against an advanced adversary. Turned around, shot themselves and died.
          Purely speculative, as a first approximation, Acacia is superfluous in the presence of MCTs
          Msta for the pros
          Hyacinth for conscripts and reservists
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 7 May 2020 16: 31 New
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            Thank . But I did not understand - the shells of Acacia and Hyacinth are not unified ??
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 7 May 2020 17: 04 New
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              No. Hyacinth also has a larger projectile and, especially, a charge.
              ZOF 29 projectile
              Same at Msta and Acacia
              ZOF 25 projectile

              Therefore, in this triangle, if you get rid of someone from Acacia, as for me
              In general, the hyacinth has the longest range and, in addition to the nuclear one, has "smart" ammunition.
              1. sivuch
                sivuch 7 May 2020 17: 08 New
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                Thanks again
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 7 May 2020 17: 09 New
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                  Please
        2. bk0010
          bk0010 7 May 2020 22: 59 New
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          Hyacinth is a cannon, they do not need to be compared with howitzers.
  • sivuch
    sivuch 7 May 2020 09: 33 New
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    Maybe just compare with genocide? By the way, how many are left?
  • Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 7 May 2020 10: 22 New
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    It makes sense to modernize the dushka "Akatsiya" 2C3 only on condition of prepayment by a foreign customer with subsequent delivery to him from stocks held in warehouses. Even with the global trend of increasing military budgets, not all countries can afford to buy the latest generation self-propelled guns. And modernizing 1000 cars from warehouse to warehouse is pure wrecking.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 May 2020 12: 06 New
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      Quote: Scharnhorst
      And to modernize 1000 cars from warehouse to warehouse is pure wrecking.

      And the mobile reserve?
      If, God forbid, what happens, how can Ukrainians with their ass in soap on their knees overhaul? And try to screw on the simplest "ASUNO" created for the Afghan army ...

      No, it is imperative to overhaul and upgrade.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 7 May 2020 13: 41 New
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    I saw alive and "Acacia" and "Mstu" and "Coalition". Somehow they are getting bigger and bigger. "Acacia" against the background of "Msta" is small and elegant, and "Coalition" next to "Msta" is a huge barn. This is my impression. Although I have not visited one inside. Not my specialty laughing
  • kind
    kind 7 May 2020 13: 47 New
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    Quote: Peter is not the first

    For sincerity!

    Thank you!
  • marat2016
    marat2016 7 May 2020 17: 15 New
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    2C19 - Venezuela, Azerbaijan, Ethiopia, tests in India.



  • bk0010
    bk0010 7 May 2020 23: 01 New
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    Yes, it seemed to me that there are many thousands, if not tens of thousands of self-propelled guns in the army: "300 guns per kilometer of the front" inspired.
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 8 May 2020 01: 36 New
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    The most magnificent self-propelled guns from the Soviet reserve.
    The resumption of production in option 2S19SM2 allows the troops to rearm on the mastered model that meets modern requirements with less cost. The same story as with the T-90SM - Armata and the Coalition, of course, everything is great, let them ride on the cobblestones of Red Square, but there is here and now, plus the immediate prospect, but you need to re-equip existing parts and arm the newly deployed and as possible faster.
    There is a lot of talk about the range of 40 km and the fact that Msta does not extend this range - when it is necessary, we also have ars, but there is also the cost of a volley battery-division and many other characteristics, according to which Msta will give odds to many Western models.
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 8 May 2020 01: 56 New
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    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    The time for towed artillery took half a century ago.
    No, it didn’t even go very far before sunset. Towed only slightly inferior in mobility self-propelled guns on wheels, superior in cross-country ability. Slightly inferior in deployment and coagulation time, but at the same time it’s cheaper and most importantly more flexible in terms of projectile types.
    For example, the same towed Msta-B 2A65 can be quickly transferred to the same Syria with the Kamaz tractor. And you have a howitzer with a range of under 30 km, for example, you have the ability to keep any barmalei at this distance from the Hmeimim air base, why is there a more expensive and heavy 2C19? Etc. There are a lot of conflicts of low intensity, and towed artillery will not remain without work in a global conflict.
    Read less and listen to all kinds of "experts".
  • businessv
    businessv 9 May 2020 00: 53 New
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    Cyril, thanks for the interesting article! I have long been interested in the history of the name of this SPG! Msta in Ukrainian means Revenge, but who and why called it that if it was released in the Urals? I will be grateful for the answer! hi
  • Pamir
    Pamir 13 July 2020 01: 59 New
    +1