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The Ministry of Defense announced plans for the supply of armored personnel carriers in the Ground Forces

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The Ministry of Defense announced plans for the supply of armored personnel carriers in the Ground Forces

By the end of this year, ground forces will receive over 460 new and modernized armored personnel carriers as part of the state defense order. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.


The military department stressed that it is expected to supply armored vehicles with "improved combat and running characteristics." Modern armored personnel carriers BTR-82A and modernized BTR-82AM will be delivered to the SV. In total, it is planned to supply more than 460 armored personnel carriers to the troops.

Until the end of this year, the delivery of more than 460 modern armored personnel carriers BTR-82A and modernized BTR-82AM to the Ground Forces units has been planned. They are designed to transport units, their fire support in battle, as well as to destroy manpower, anti-tank weapons and lightly armored enemy vehicles

- said in a statement.

It is clarified that the BTR-82A and BTR-82AM use anti-shatter protection from multilayer synthetic material on the inner surfaces of the body, as well as anti-mine flooring. In addition, the seats in armored personnel carriers are made on a special suspension. The BTR is armed with a new combat module with an automatic gun 2A72 30-mm caliber and a 7,62-mm PKTM machine gun.

BTR-82AM - a combat wheeled floating vehicle for transporting motorized rifle units, marine units, capable of providing fire support on the battlefield. BTR-82AM is a deep modernization of the BTR-80 and adopted by the Russian army in 2013.
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  1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 6 May 2020 11: 51 New
    0
    It is clarified that the BTR-82A and BTR-82AM use anti-shatter protection from multilayer synthetic material on the inner surfaces of the body, as well as anti-mine flooring. In addition, the seats in armored personnel carriers are made on a special suspension.

    However, it’s safer to sit on armored personnel carriers. In the case of a landmine on the armor, there are just more chances. Although if the infantry sits on the armor and a too powerful landmine is blown up, the majority dies from a compression blow, breaks the vertebrae, etc. In short, if the explosion under the wheel is better on the armor, and if on the side of the road or on a tree or post it is better inside. Need to seek balance.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 May 2020 12: 06 New
      17
      Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
      In the case of a landmine on the armor, there are just more chances.

      Do not suffer?

      Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
      In short, if the explosion under the wheel is better on the armor, and if on the side of the road or on a tree or post it is better inside. Need to seek balance.

      Не нужен "баланс", необходима нормальная работа сапёров.
    2. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 6 May 2020 13: 39 New
      +4
      Need to seek balance.
      we need full-fledged MRAPs, for example, Boomerang, and let these coffins on wheels let them drive to the rear
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 6 May 2020 14: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: _Ugene_
        and let these coffins on wheels go to the rear

        What are your specific claims to BTR82A?
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 6 May 2020 14: 33 New
          +2
          I don’t have any, thank God I can’t move on them, the claims of the fighters and they are very simple -
          In short, if the explosion under the wheel is better on the armor, and if on the side of the road or on a tree or post it is better inside. Need to find a balance

          bulletproof armor and a complete lack of mine protection
          just as fighters traveled to BTR-70 in Afghanistan, 30 years later, they drive to Donbass and Syria because the bullet is, of course, a fool, but the mine for the BTR is a grave
        2. ROSS_51
          ROSS_51 6 May 2020 19: 25 New
          +5
          Quote: NEOZ

          What are your specific claims to BTR82A?

          Have a military claim. The concept itself is out of date. A tin can that is sewn from all angles. 30 mm whip, which does not allow accurate fire even in short bursts, and indeed a weak caliber. The NATO people are gradually moving to 40 mm with programmable shells.
          In general, I like this approach-APU received 8 BTR-80-old trash and so on. Our received
          modern armored personnel carriers BTR-82A
          . Not funny yourself?
          1. spectr
            spectr 7 May 2020 08: 55 New
            0
            And also the BTR-82AM, which, according to Internet resources, is a modernized BTR-80. As a result, we overtook the APU only in quantity.
          2. Amin_vivec
            Amin_vivec 7 May 2020 21: 18 New
            0
            Стоимость "Бумеранга" - 4 млн. $ (около 280 млн. рублей).
            The cost of upgrading the BTR-80 to the BTR-82 is 23,5 million rubles.
            -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------
            thus for $ 4 million you can get:
            1) 12 BTR-82A - 4 full motorized rifle platoons (100% new communication, awareness of the battlefield, additional protection, new engine);
            2) 1 Boomer + 12 BTR-80 from the reserve ... - the same 4 full motorized rifle platoons ... 92% of which will be rubbish ...
            1. ROSS_51
              ROSS_51 8 May 2020 01: 40 New
              0
              Quote: Amin_Vivec
              Стоимость "Бумеранга" - 4 млн. $ (около 280 млн. рублей).
              The cost of upgrading the BTR-80 to the BTR-82 is 23,5 million rubles.
              -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------
              thus for $ 4 million you can get:
              1) 12 BTR-82A - 4 full motorized rifle platoons (100% new communication, awareness of the battlefield, additional protection, new engine)

              Yes, here it is, ext. your defense. Palmyra, Aleppo, etc.
              Or is your arithmetic cannibal to the fact that we have a lot of these guys, and $ 4 million is too expensive?
              1. Amin_vivec
                Amin_vivec 9 May 2020 13: 52 New
                -1
                The cannibals are the ones who ate your brain. When you comment - at least read it.
                В первом случае - в 3 мотострелковых взвода поступит новая техника, либо техника после кап. ремонта. Во втором случае - новизна техники составит 5-7%. Вы уверены что оставшиеся 93-95% вообще заведутся? Какова будет боеспособность трех таких рот, в которых будеет один боеспособный БТР?. Все залезут на ваш "бумер" и внутрь и сверху, а кто не влез тот пешочком?
                Вы даете гарантии, что на "Бумере" на броне никто ездить не будет?
                1. ROSS_51
                  ROSS_51 9 May 2020 23: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  The cannibals are the ones who ate your brain. When you comment - at least read it.
                  В первом случае - в 3 мотострелковых взвода поступит новая техника, либо техника после кап. ремонта. Во втором случае - новизна техники составит 5-7%. Вы уверены что оставшиеся 93-95% вообще заведутся? Какова будет боеспособность трех таких рот, в которых будеет один боеспособный БТР?. Все залезут на ваш "бумер" и внутрь и сверху, а кто не влез тот пешочком?
                  Вы даете гарантии, что на "Бумере" на броне никто ездить не будет?

                  First, do you take your brains to MRI? And then your voice in your head seems to be, and you argue with it. Have I even mentioned Boomerang somewhere?
                  Why are you here my hectic interest? What is the new technique? what upgrade? If this technique does not hold an explosion under the bottom or does not protect the landing party from a heavy machine gun, this is simply a mastering of the budget. Cheaper Gazelles to buy, the effectiveness will be the same.
                  1. Amin_vivec
                    Amin_vivec 10 May 2020 11: 01 New
                    -2
                    That's just your bottom and could not stand it)))
      2. strannik1985
        strannik1985 6 May 2020 14: 30 New
        +2
        Looking with whom to fight, it’s the militants who bother manually installing improvised land mines, a more or less technically advanced opponent will use anti-bottom mines with a magnetic target sensor, MRAP will not help, we need sappers.
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 6 May 2020 14: 49 New
          +3
          MRAP will not help
          Are you serious? don’t you understand the absurdity of such arguments? well, let's develop your idea - the tank is also not a panacea, there are all kinds of ATGMs against it and again there are dead bodies inside, and if a nuclear explosion doesn’t help the concrete bunker either, let's refuse armored vehicles altogether, let the fighters drive in cars, they don’t need armor, is it really not clear that such logic leads to complete absurdity? armored vehicles must meet modern conditions, and if a fighter before leaving thinks that you are a corpse in an explosion under the bottom inside an armored personnel carrier, and you are a corpse in an explosion on the side of the armored car, then what kind of armored vehicle? in the rear it’s the place, MRAP many times increases the probability of survival of fighters, and no one says that it is a panacea
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 6 May 2020 16: 01 New
            +1
            Are you serious?

            Absolutely, but you misunderstood. MRAP - high central heating, wide windows - embrasures (situational awareness), preferably with the use of civilian vehicle components (operating costs).
            It is ideal to have normal BMP / APCs and MRAPs out of state to replace linear machines in a low-intensity conflict.
            But sappers will still have to be equipped with expensive instruments such as GPR or a non-linear locator.
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 6 May 2020 16: 47 New
              +2
              I agree, both BMP / BTR and MRAP are needed, but we only have trouble with the Boomerangs, we have been showing them for 5 years in parades, and now they started talking about high export potential, it looks like the MRAP troops will not or will be in MIG-35 quantities
              1. strannik1985
                strannik1985 6 May 2020 17: 07 New
                0
                Throw it, the author wrote stupidity (unlikely) or just an informational stuffing. While there are no results of state tests (summer 2020) and military operation, nothing can be said. The export potential of the machine has not yet been adopted into service is doubtful.
                1. _Ugene_
                  _Ugene_ 6 May 2020 19: 52 New
                  +2
                  so it’s not he invented
                  Компания "Рособоронэкспорт" 23 апреля сообщила о начале продвижения новейшей унифицированной боевой платформы "Бумеранг" на зарубежные рынки. По мнению генерального директора предприятия Александра Михеева, вероятный объем экспорта в обозримой перспективе – один миллиард долларов. Для такой оценки имеются надежные технологические и маркетинговые основания (высокое качество и умеренная стоимость).
                  if they were going to supply troops, who would offer it for export? here, for example, offer S-500 for export? no, first saturate their air defense, only then export
    3. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 7 May 2020 08: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
      In short, if the explosion under the wheel is better on the armor, and if on the side of the road or on a tree or post it is better inside. Need to seek balance.

      You can simply put on each car a double set of personnel - a compartment for armor, a compartment for armor. Someone will get there. In addition, in this situation, less valuable equipment is at risk of damage or destruction.
  2. Fuse angel
    Fuse angel 6 May 2020 11: 55 New
    13
    Лучше бы "Бумеранги" начали производить для армии.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 6 May 2020 11: 59 New
      +2
      Вместо "Бумеранга" в армию
      пойдет новейшая модернизация "АМ".
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 May 2020 12: 08 New
      0
      First you need to finish the test. and then to deliver deliveries.
    3. tagil
      tagil 6 May 2020 13: 25 New
      +3
      Подрыв фугаса из 152-х мм снаряда под днищем, даже танк не спасает, вы считаете "бумеранг" панацеей для пехоты?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 6 May 2020 13: 44 New
        10
        Of course not a panacea. But there are requirements of the time, and on the descendants of the BTR-60 how much can you ride?
        1. tagil
          tagil 6 May 2020 13: 49 New
          +2
          Здесь вы отчасти правы, но БТР-80 в наших войсках много, и даже приняв "бумеранг" бтр-80 останеца основным БТРром еще много лет и модернизация его продолжится а 82-ка это и есть его модернизация.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 6 May 2020 14: 12 New
            +3
            Yes of course. These machines are many and cheaper to upgrade them. Moreover, the units and assemblies are unified. The new BTR is a completely different car. But I believe that the BTR60-70-80 are already outdated.
            1. tagil
              tagil 6 May 2020 14: 33 New
              +5
              Of course they are out of date, but our opponents also have a lot of junk, and after they knock out that they will have to ride the M-113 again. In general, when creating APCs, the concept of their application did not provide for direct participation in combined arms combat, but reduced mainly to the protection and patrolling of settlements and communications, as well as to escorting convoys with cargoes. But for this they are in the divisions of the motorized rifle division, and in this vein, they are still very personal.
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 6 May 2020 14: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          But there are requirements of the time

          what are these requirements?
          1. tagil
            tagil 6 May 2020 14: 42 New
            +3
            Like what, it does not correspond to fashion (a joke).
      2. Boratsagdiev
        Boratsagdiev 6 May 2020 14: 19 New
        -2
        It (even modernized) will not hold anything in the forehead, starting from 12.7 mm.
        Need a complete replacement.
        Mobility-mobility, but you need a different technique.
        1. tagil
          tagil 6 May 2020 14: 37 New
          +3
          What is an APC intended for, is any APC not only ours? When you read the tactics of their application, it will become clearer to you. A replacement is needed, but only this requires years and years, we are not the USSR, and we won’t do it quickly.
          1. Boratsagdiev
            Boratsagdiev 6 May 2020 14: 45 New
            +2
            Tactics have long since changed, as has life outside the window.
            Like the fact that the USSR has long been gone.
            You need to look at real things, not remember the past.
            Что бы все это хозяйство "повыбивать" достаточно будет автопушек 20-30 мм и пулеметов 12.7.
            And ATGMs can still be saved.
            But what will they do with the enemy in the oncoming (or any other) battle? ...
            12.7, 14.4, 30-mm is not enough ... they will be naughty with birds, hiding behind burning bodies?
            1. tagil
              tagil 6 May 2020 14: 49 New
              +1
              Что бы все это хозяйство "повыбивать" достаточно будет автопушек 20-30 мм и пулеметов 12.7.
              And ATGMs can still be saved.
              But what will they do with the enemy in the oncoming (or any other) battle? ...
              12.7, 14.4, 30-mm is not enough ... they will be naughty with birds, hiding behind burning bodies?
              Where will you take all this in the rear of the troops, will there be enemy units walking around with impunity ?????
              1. Boratsagdiev
                Boratsagdiev 6 May 2020 19: 05 New
                +2
                What are you going to be at the forefront of?
                For the rear and the BTR-60 is suitable.
                With direct combat contact, what will participate? ...
                BTR-90 was not and never will be, the Boomerang was suspended in the air.
                Many people didn’t see a 40 mm autocannon in their eyes (and there was excellent ballistics).
                "Урапотриотизм" штука конечно хорошая, но может и боком выйти.
                1. tagil
                  tagil 6 May 2020 19: 44 New
                  +1
                  "Урапотриотизм" штука конечно хорошая, но может и боком выйти.
                  Нисколько не ура. Так. Давайте начнем все сначала. Мы не берем конфликты малой интенсивности, для них мы имеем Тигры и Тайфуны, Скорпионы, американцы Страйкеры и MaxxPro Dash и т. д. К какой войне готовятся США и с кем? С нами и Китаем, конфликт будет между сопоставимыми армиями как по технике, так и по вооружению. Так объясните мне, где место страйкера в общевойсковом бою, где катаются БМП и танки? Место БТРам там нет, так что эти машины и будут в тылу заниматься тем, для чего они и предназначены, сопровождением колон, патрулированием местности и н.п., блокпосты ну и конечно поездками за водкой или виски с их стороны. То есть БТРы будут в тех подразделениях где есть колесная техника (потому что ресурс). Все. И если встретятся БТР-82 и страйкер, то победа будет за нашим БТР (все зависит от встречи конечно) 30 мм это 30 мм и у других шансов нет. "Бумеранг" возможно будет хорошей машиной, но слишком дорогой, вообщем не для массовой армии и они быстро кончатся если их выпускать на поле боя. Американцы свои легкие бригады создавали в 2000-х для войны с папуасами, так как не думали что Россия снова поднимется. Так что эти бригады в войне с нами ни о чем.
                  1. Boratsagdiev
                    Boratsagdiev 6 May 2020 23: 38 New
                    0
                    That, to arrange something for the beginning it is necessary to have !.
                    "30 мм это 30 мм" ...Вы уверены, что пробьет? и тем более другие машины(которые по защите практически сравнялись со средними танками времен ВОВ).
                    ZUBR8 - penetrates up to 28 mm at 60 g. 700 meters (standard no more than 20 mm)
                    ZUBR11-40-40 + per 1000 meters.
                    И сравните с Натовскими которые "шьют" с 1.5-2 км больше 40-50 мм.
                    В тылу хватит обычных "двухосевиков", дешевле, а если и рпг шмальнут, то будет без разницы на чем ты будешь.
                    А если будет конфликт с западом, то это будет уже не "война с папуасами"...
                    1. tagil
                      tagil 7 May 2020 10: 40 New
                      0
                      We will have.
                      И сравните с Натовскими которые "шьют" с 1.5-2 км больше 40-50 мм.
                      Let's not take individual vehicles armed with such a caliber, this caliber for BMPs, most NATO armored personnel carriers are armed with conventional machine guns or large-caliber 12,7 mm (BTR-82 and this is enough for the eyes). The striker's armor protection is the standard adopted back in the years of the Cold War and it is standard for the whole of NATO (we do not take hinged crap into account)
                      The body of the armored personnel carrier is welded from sheets of hardened armored steel grade 160. The reservation also consists of Kevlar and ceramic-composite materials. The armor withstands direct hits of caliber bullets up to 14,5 mm, fragments of bombs and shells.

                      So it's not so scary. Yes, the BTR-80 is morally obsolete, it needs to be changed, but it’s also not worth dramatizing much. In 2014, according to the authoritative international publication Army Technology, the Russian BTR-82A entered the top ten world cars of this class. And I think that they put him there not by chance, although the classes are different.
    4. Amin_vivec
      Amin_vivec 6 May 2020 23: 52 New
      +1
      Стоимость "Бумеранга" - 4 млн. $ (около 280 млн. рублей).
      The cost of upgrading the BTR-80 to the BTR-82 is 23,5 million rubles.
      -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------
      thus for $ 4 million you can get
      1) 12 BTR-82A - 4 full motorized rifle platoons;
      2) 1 Boomer + 12 BTR-80 from the reserve ... - the same 4 full motorized rifle platoons ... 92% of which will be rubbish ...
  3. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 6 May 2020 11: 58 New
    -24
    Об истинном положении в Российской армии https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCkpYCYNAOk&feature=youtu.be
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 May 2020 12: 16 New
      14
      Seriously? Do you think the opinion of a person who has not served for at least 15 years is important? my dad was with him one year old. after his dismissal after 5 years, he completely lost the opportunity to discuss something modern. he had everything only through the prism of his service before me. I remember that in part I came to see the hour, I walked only in a modern form, scolded him) and brought me to the park, he was generally groaning and groaning, how it was all wrong and how it was good before, but now everything is wrong. although everything was perfect)
      1. Pvi1206
        Pvi1206 6 May 2020 12: 21 New
        -12
        Maybe you serve in the front part? ...
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 May 2020 12: 24 New
          +6
          in ordinary. and in his years and after his landing .and there are no ceremonial units in principle. Well, except for the PKK in the districts or there of the Kremlin.
  4. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 6 May 2020 12: 00 New
    0
    To date, the amount is impressive.
    Interestingly, in Kurgan, can they also begin assembly?
    Here on the pedestal BMP -1 and armored personnel carriers, some are standing nearby.
  5. lucul
    lucul 6 May 2020 12: 01 New
    +7
    And not a word about thermal imagers, NVD, powerful optics and other means of observing the enemy ....
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 May 2020 12: 18 New
      +7
      this is an armored personnel carrier. his task is to deliver infantry from point a to point b. this is not a tank or even a BMP.
      1. lucul
        lucul 6 May 2020 13: 10 New
        13
        I honestly prigel .. at first I thought a typo, maybe 30%, but three times! Not surprisingly, with such margins and greed and lack of control, why the troops do not have the latest technology ..

        As practice shows, we have an armored personnel carrier - a plug in all holes. It is used in all hot spots. A tank is already a means of a great war, and an armored personnel carrier is just for small conflicts.
        Yes, now a Chinese field-effect binoculars with NVD costs $ 100, what to waste time on and spend money on NVD in an armored personnel carrier? And it will be like in 1941 - for 10 tanks - one radio ...
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 6 May 2020 14: 30 New
        -2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        his task is to deliver infantry from point a to point b

        Yes, he doesn’t care! just to write nasty things ....
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 6 May 2020 15: 02 New
      0
      Quote: lucul
      And not a word about thermal imagers

      Details here
      Sight TKN-4GA-03
      http://www.romz.ru/ru/catalog/pricel-tkn-4ga-03.htm
      1. lucul
        lucul 6 May 2020 15: 33 New
        +1
        Details here
        Sight TKN-4GA-03
        http://www.romz.ru/ru/catalog/pricel-tkn-4ga-03.htm

        I read it, thanks. It seems that everything necessary (for today) is present, only too bulky. And only for one pair of eyes ....
        What am I doing - in the same Armata, all the info is displayed on monitors, and more eyes can notice a change in the picture than one person looking at the periscope.
        But in general, of course, and the TKN-4GA-03 sight is a big step forward, compared with old models, of which there are still on the shaft ....
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 6 May 2020 15: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: lucul
          And only for one pair of eyes ....

          Well you will not please ..)
          Quote: lucul
          of which on another shaft ....

          in the USA 113s are still operated in some places, and 8k pieces are in storage ..
      2. rumpeljschtizhen
        rumpeljschtizhen 6 May 2020 15: 47 New
        -1
        Yes, the sight is on the armored personnel carrier .... But its implementation ....... it is ancient mammoth
  6. Adimius38
    Adimius38 6 May 2020 12: 16 New
    +3
    it’s the same old BTR-80 with new covers and bolts, okay, when they say about modernized cars, everything is clear to old cars, they prolong life, this is common practice, but when the newest word sounds))) here it’s ridiculous.
  7. Hagen
    Hagen 6 May 2020 12: 23 New
    +7
    Modern armored personnel carriers BTR-82A and modernized BTR-82AM will be delivered to the SV.

    Если для парадов и рыбалки? Хулиганов с вооружением не тяжелее АК погонять... То пойдет... Воевать в них в конфликтах средней интенсивности, а не дай бог, с равным соперником - не приведи господь. Его броню только рогатка детская не берет. Старичок М-2 его броню вместе с подбоем берет со всех ракурсов. Только белорусы еще радуются новой технике такого уровня защиты. А даже Литва покупает Боксеры с защитой от малокалиберных снарядов (т.е. минимум 20 мм). И это странное заявление о "современности" БТР....
    1. mark1
      mark1 6 May 2020 12: 39 New
      -4
      Quote: Hagen
      И это странное заявление о "современности" БТР....

      "...Странное если не сказать больше.."
      But it’s interesting - how do the tasks of armored personnel carriers differ from the tasks of BMP and MPAP?
      1. mark1
        mark1 6 May 2020 16: 26 New
        0
        Judging by the number and growth rate of the minuses, an armored personnel carrier crew will be formed very soon. But something not one of these friendly members (crew of course) never shared
        Quote: mark1
        How are the tasks of armored personnel carriers different from the tasks of BMP and MPAP?

        if
        in combat order on BUSV in offensive or defense. BTR and BMP are located in the same places.

        Maybe you just need to start using the technique as intended.
    2. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
      evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 6 May 2020 13: 03 New
      -4
      Yes, dear Hagen, some solid, weird statements. The state ,, RK ,, (,, Capitalist Russia ,,) is clearly a transnational state, therefore, it has such statements. Nothing was delivered, but already, "crowed", (,, ... and there ... - at least do not dawn ,,). For hundreds of years it’s been known: ,, Do not say gop ... ,,. This type of behavior of these ,, dodgers-dodgers ,,. ,, I twist and twist, I want to confuse you ... ,, The car is 40 years old - ,, modern ,,. Transplant one of the “effective managers” onto the “gelding” of the 80s - you will make a face, sour,. Well, for Russian soldiers - it’s all right, everything’s fine!, There’s no way out to the stern, the armor is plywood, the cannon’s power isn’t enough (the adversaries ,, actually the guns of light tanks are already on the wheeled armored personnel carrier chassis) - ,, yes everything is fine! ,,
      They do not do their work, they portray him
    3. URAL72
      URAL72 6 May 2020 13: 16 New
      13
      I’ll tell you as a fighter of the DPR army, give us these cars with a 30mm cannon, and take away the BMP-1. Even a deuce is interesting only for a gun. BTR-70, 80 hold TM-ku better behi and BMD, because 80-ku we highly appreciate. But in my RV, - 70s ... Eternal hemorrhage ...
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 6 May 2020 14: 34 New
        -3
        I’ll tell you as a fighter of the DPR army, give us these cars with a 30mm cannon, and take away the BMP-1. Even a deuce is interesting only for a gun.

        Why do you need a 30 mm gun? For what purposes do you use it?
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 6 May 2020 22: 43 New
        +1
        Sorry, what is the reduction in TM? Or is it about a mine?
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 7 May 2020 07: 48 New
          0
          That's right about a series of anti-tank mines.
    4. NEOZ
      NEOZ 6 May 2020 14: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Hagen
      To fight in them in conflicts of medium intensity, and God forbid, with an equal rival - God forbid.

      tell me the role of the armored personnel carrier in combined arms combat, otherwise it seems unfounded.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 6 May 2020 15: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: NEOZ
        tell me the role of the armored personnel carrier in combined arms combat, otherwise it seems unfounded.

        An armored personnel carrier is an infantry transporter in a war zone. So it should be according to the real level of security. But look at his place in battle order on the BUSV in the offensive or defense. BTR and BMP are located in the same places. And the presence of a good (better KPVT, but in comparison with the analogue of NATO - weaker) automatic guns will not allow the commander to keep it in a safe place. As a result - with its 2A42 / 2A72 BTR-82XXXX will be a priority goal for the enemy, which will not be able to withstand the armament of the enemy’s analogues. And if the Boxer in the trench with 2A72 can be hit with difficulty, then from M113 (armed with M-2) we can hit our armored personnel carrier from any angle to anywhere in the hull.
  8. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 6 May 2020 12: 42 New
    -5
    The modernization of Soviet technology is our everything !! and there will be no armatures with kurgans in the troops. it’s time to understand for 20 years that imitation of activity and inflation of cheeks is the main principle you yourself know who.
  9. Undecim
    Undecim 6 May 2020 12: 51 New
    -5
    BTR-82AM is a deep modernization of BTR-80
    Why is this propaganda verbiage?
    BTR-82AM is a deep modernization of the BTR-80.
    BTR-80 - further development of the BTR-70 armored personnel carrier.
    BTR-70 - further development of the BTR-60PB.
    BTR-60PB - further development of the BTR-60 (BTR-60P [1]) - the Soviet armored personnel carrier developed in 1956 - 1959.
    Пользуясь терминологией сайтовских уряпрпагандистов:" БТР-82АМ - сверхглубокая ультрамодернизация БТР-60".
    But in fact - this is the same BTR-60.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 6 May 2020 13: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Undecim
      Using terminology ...

      Do not use someone else's terminology. The BTR-60 had two gasoline engines, and from the 80s the diesel power plant.
      BTR - a vehicle with anti-bullet protection. An excellent tool for overcoming small water obstacles in the cold season. You still can’t understand that a new war will not require the seizure of foreign territories. And our generals strive to build an infantry line, everyone is preparing for the last war.
      Type in the picture:

      Watch the video on the arrow and you will understand where the soldiers are shooting and who is waiting for them there ...
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 6 May 2020 13: 39 New
        -2
        Do not use someone else's terminology
        In fact, can you tell something?
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 May 2020 12: 52 New
    -1
    And this means ..... that our BTR82 is everything ..... but my opinion, it would be better (if we can’t master the new one) to do the BTR87, like the BTR Dragoon, instead of the usual BTR3
  11. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 6 May 2020 13: 10 New
    +1
    They talk about the high cost of Kurgan with armatures. And how much was 34 more expensive than 7? Mig 21 more expensive than 15. So there was no need to rearm the army?
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 May 2020 13: 30 New
    +7
    BTR is a normal vehicle for transporting hp. to the place of battle. Nevertheless, security is not an example more than in tilt trucks. A gun is also a useful thing. Shell an enemy from an ambush, pour fire on an ambush, knock an enemy out of cover from a distance that does not allow him to use light anti-tank weapons ...
    Yes, in general ... a great rogue.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 6 May 2020 14: 37 New
      -3
      BTR is a normal vehicle for transporting hp. to the place of battle. Nevertheless, security is not an example more than in tilt trucks.

      So anyway, they ride on top. Just sitting uncomfortable.
  13. tagil
    tagil 6 May 2020 13: 31 New
    +4
    I read the comments and realized that they upgraded the equipment poorly, and did not upgrade it too badly. In short, experts know everything. And think about it with your head to Pushkin.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 6 May 2020 14: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Tagil
      I read the comments and realized that they upgraded the equipment poorly, and did not upgrade it too badly.

      I will add: GDP is personally to blame for everything, the gang is getting !!!
      1. tagil
        tagil 6 May 2020 14: 40 New
        -1
        Yeah, how can it be without him, without him nothing bad is being done in the world. Straight universal evil.
  14. Incompetent
    Incompetent 6 May 2020 13: 32 New
    -2
    The modern BTR-80 sounds so that those who made the decision to deliver from the elbow in the face of the face would like to charge a couple of times, so that either the really new Bumerang armored personnel carriers would speak the truth or adopt them.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 6 May 2020 14: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Incompetent
      charge a couple of times in the face of the face

      and what is wrong with the BTR80?
      1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
        BREAKTHROUGH READY 6 May 2020 15: 32 New
        +4
        Security, layout making landing and disembarking of paratroopers difficult, inability to accept overall cargo, which is critically important for the armored TRANSPORTER.
        Even with Afghanistan, there are disputes about the validity of the BTR terminology as applied to Soviet vehicles, which hardly perform a transport function, but possess outstanding firepower.
        After all, nobody called the T-34 with a tank landing, and here the logic is about the same.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 6 May 2020 16: 12 New
          -2
          Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH
          Security

          shards armor holds ...
          Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH
          layout making landing and landing of paratroopers difficult

          Why transport comfortable landing / disembarking?
          Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH
          the inability to accept bulk cargo

          Why carry cargo in an armored capsule?
          ps
          perhaps the armored personnel carrier is used as a BMP? ... and even as a tank !!!!
          1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
            BREAKTHROUGH READY 6 May 2020 16: 44 New
            +6
            shards armor holds ...
            detonation of a 152mm high-explosive fragmentation shell from a distance of 100m (if you're lucky)?...да уж "держит"
            Why transport comfortable landing / disembarking?
            Is this some kind of new level of trolling? Indeed, why do we need a normal landing and disembarkation from the car, if soldiers can be stacked in piles - it will fit more !!!
            Why carry cargo in an armored capsule?
            probably because it was for this reason that the ARMOR-TRANSPORTERS were created, which according to their tasks are supposed to be primarily protected by the transport of assault forces and cargo, and only then a wedge with a small-caliber gun or floating amphibian.
            perhaps the armored personnel carrier is used as a BMP? ... and even as a tank
            Так может и стоит переименовать в "лёгкий плавающий танк"? Где то возле ПТ-76 будет в самый раз.
          2. tarakan
            tarakan 6 May 2020 18: 47 New
            -1
            "экспертам" нужен МРАП с 150мм пушкой и с катапультными креслами для десанта wassat
  15. pereselenec
    pereselenec 6 May 2020 13: 56 New
    +2
    Modern armored personnel carriers BTR-82A and modernized BTR-82AM will be delivered to the SV.


    А где обещанные "Бумеранги"?
  16. Aag
    Aag 6 May 2020 15: 10 New
    -2
    Quote: pereselenec
    Modern armored personnel carriers BTR-82A and modernized BTR-82AM will be delivered to the SV.


    А где обещанные "Бумеранги"?

    You, apparently, immediately after the presentation gets a new car, PC, smartphone.
    Не подскажите,куда " старье" выбрасываете? wink
  17. bogart047
    bogart047 6 May 2020 16: 12 New
    -3
    in today's conflict, an armored personnel carrier is also a mass grave as is an armored personnel carrier. I would like to hang equipment on it to detect missile calculations and their complexes, then she will be able to support someone on the battlefield.
  18. Klingon
    Klingon 6 May 2020 16: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: Guardian Angel
    Лучше бы "Бумеранги" начали производить для армии.

    The Ministry of Defense is dancing Bollywood, they are like Indians, they give a difficult technical task with a dozen wishes, but then they want the product for free, and if it’s expensive, it’s not necessary. ..and soldiers of conscripts can be stuffed into an old coffin on wheels, their farts will be blown up and not defense ministers wassat