US ready to recognize Israeli sovereignty over occupied territories

The Washington administration is ready to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Jordan Valley and the areas of Jewish settlements on the West Bank. This is possible under certain conditions.

This statement was made by the United States Ambassador to the State of Israel, David Friedman, during an interview for the Israel Ha-Yom newspaper on the second anniversary of Friedman’s tenure.

The ambassador said that there is an action plan that is supported by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. It includes the completion of the territory marking process, the freezing by Israel of the construction of settlements in areas to which sovereignty will not extend, and negotiations with the Palestinian Authority on the “Trump Plan,” which is also known as the “deal of the century”.

Friedman also added that the US recognition of Israeli sovereignty over these territories depends only on the Israeli leadership. It is it that must declare the extension of sovereignty to these lands, and Washington will immediately support this decision of Tel Aviv.

As for the freezing of the construction of Jewish settlements in the occupied lands, which will not come under the jurisdiction of Israel, then, according to the ambassador, we are not talking about a complete halt to construction work. It is impossible to increase the area of ​​settlements, but there is no prohibition to expand them “up”.

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[Vladimir_2U]

And then the question of the Crimea arises in all its height.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And then the question of the Crimea arises in all its height.

How do you get this question?
Israel annexed (seized) the territory, not even observing the minimum legitimacy of the process, and with Crimea everything is completely different.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Malyuta

How do you get this question?

I have?

Quote: Malyuta

Israel annexed territories

This is a great reason to poke the United States into their non-recognition of Crimea as Russian land, don’t you?

[Malyuta]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

This is a great reason to poke the United States into their non-recognition of Crimea as Russian land, don’t you?

There is absolutely no connection, besides, there are plenty of precedents for "poking" in the world.
And what difference do the states of Crimea recognize or not?
Crimea Russian de facto and there will definitely not be a return stroke!
And if you bother about sanctions, they won’t be canceled, because the reasons for the sanctions are completely different, but this is a completely different story.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Malyuta

Absolutely no connection

Well, no so no.

Quote: Malyuta

And if you bother about sanctions

Since there is no connection, then why bother. And yes, you remembered about sanctions, and I about

Quote: Vladimir_2U

great reason to poke usa

[Rostislav]

And what does Russia care about the recognition of Crimea by penguins? I also found a "beholder".

[Kronos]

It's not about the law, but about the fact of joining

[Victor_B]

Quote: Malyuta

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And then the question of the Crimea arises in all its height.

How do you get this question?
Israel annexed (seized) the territory, not even observing the minimum legitimacy of the process, and with Crimea everything is completely different.

Well, and who in the West is interested in this?
For the collection you can add Kosovo.
But the Glansky heights and Kosovo are the right, suitable rejections, and the Crimea is the illegal annexation of Putin's thugs! At the same time, they held a referendum there (at gunpoint, of course). To the great chagrin of the world community, no one was killed.
In general, they illegally and not democratically came and took away the Crimea.
(For alternatively gifted ones, this is sarcasm cut in half with humor.)

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Malyuta

How do you get this question?
Israel annexed (seized) territories, not even observing the minimum legitimacy of the process, but with Crimea everything is completely different

And not once wrote about "captured" (not yet annexed)
But I am ready to write again facts based on history.

As everyone knows in 1948, the UN plan for the partition of Palestine envisaged the termination of the British Mandate in Palestine and the creation of two unnamed states on its territory: the Jewish and the Arab.
On May 14, 1948, on the day the Mandate ended, the independence of the State of Israel was proclaimed, and on May 15, regular units of the armies of five LAS countries invaded Palestine with the goal of destroying the new Jewish state and creating a “single Arab state entity” in Palestine
I hope you will not argue with this fact?
As a result, the Wars of Independence and West Jerusalem were occupied by Jews and annexed to the State of Israel.
Judea and Samaria were busy and unilaterally annexed by Transjordan (Jordan after their annexation in 1950, which gave them the name "West Bank" to distinguish it from the east bank - its territory before the war.

Jordanian one-way annexation was condemned by many countries, including most members of the League of Arab States. USSR recognized the legality of annexation
From the point of view of international law, the west bank of the Jordan River was under Jordanian occupation. ALL Jews were expelled from this territory and all synagogues were destroyed. And the rest of the residents received Jordanian citizenship and passports, which most still have today. The UN has not even considered this.
In 1967, during the Six Day War, the area of ​​Judea and Samaria was occupied by Israel.
The word JUDAH does not tell you anything?
For centuries, a loser, always losing something.
A few historical facts.
In 1618, a truce was signed between the Russians and the Poles, according to which Russia lost Smolensk.
1654 - 1667 - The Russian-Polish war. Russians and Cossacks won a victory over the Poles. The result of the war - Smolensk and all the lands lost in troubled times, Left-Bank Ukraine and Kiev went to Russia.
1722 - 1723 - Russian-Persian war. He won the confrontation between Persia and Russia. . Thanks to this, the state received the Caspian lands with the cities of Derbent, Baku, and Rasht.
Well, now it's your turn to write about the history of Crimea.
And then, you can compare.

[MMX]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Quote: Malyuta

How do you get this question?
Israel annexed (seized) territories, not even observing the minimum legitimacy of the process, but with Crimea everything is completely different

And not once wrote about "captured" (not yet annexed)
But I am ready to write again facts based on history.

To write such a sheet and all for nothing. It is necessary to try ...
And you just had to write that the borders and territories of states after the establishment of the UN are established on the basis of international law, including international treaties.
The creation of Jewish and Arab states is a rejection of the colonial system. Since BI refused the mandate for Palestine, the decision to create it was made at the UN in accordance with the plan, which provided for the division of the territory approved by this plan. This plan exists to this day, which is extremely unsatisfying for both parties, each for its own reason, but these are their problems. That's all.

As a result, the Wars of Independence and West Jerusalem were occupied by Jews and annexed to the State of Israel.

For centuries, a loser, always losing something.

There is one point: modern international law excludes the annexation of territories on the basis of military operations.
Therefore, who was there and how he fought - this generally does not play any role from the point of view of international law.

The word JUDAH does not tell you anything?

Are there any names around the world? In the entire history of mankind, the owners of the winter house of this wagon and a small trolley

[Zeev Zeev]

Israel seized whose territory?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Israel seized whose territory?

Jewish invaders occupied Judea. What is not clear???

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Krasnodar

Jewish invaders occupied Judea. What is not clear???

Wow, what AGGRESSERS!

[cat Rusich]

Recall Jericho, Gazareth ... of the land of Canaan. The land of the people of the Philistines (for example, the city of Gaza ...).

[Zeev Zeev]

The people of the Philistines are newcomers from the islands of the Aegean, their name means "those who invaded, invaders". And if we are talking about history, then let me remind you that those years (more than three thousand years ago) mammoths were still found in Russia.

[cat Rusich]

The Philistines "came" to the Promised Land (the city of Gaza) before the Jews. You won't deny the genocide of the inhabitants of Jericho? You mean the woolly mammoth from about. Wrangel? disappeared only under Pharaoh Tutankhamun (about 1355-1337 BC)

[Zeev Zeev]

I repeat, the name Philistines means "interventionists." And it means in Hebrew. Secondly, I will not play games now, who did more genocide and when, okay? And yes, I meant Wrangel's mammoth

[Iris]

"Minimal legitimacy" is an oxymoron, a little bit pregnant. The process is either legitimate or not. And if it is "minimally" legitimate, it means that all of its legitimacy is one appearance. It is much more honest to reclaim territory and secure for oneself as a result of the war than to create "minimal legitimacy" by holding, for example, a referendum on foreign territory.

[Jack O'Neill]

And then the question of the Crimea arises in all its height.

Israel is an ally, but who are we? So the question of Crimea will not arise.
If we start the Mahach with China, then maybe the question will arise about the Crimea, and so ... why should they?))

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Israel is an ally, and we who

Are there three countries in the world? Unrecognized dofigischa, and here is a precedent.

[Amateur]

And where did you see so many Jews in Crimea that it would be worth listening to their voice in a referendum.
Polina Semyonovna Zhemchuzhina (Pearl Solomonovna Karpovskaya) tried to persuade her husband to make Israel in Crimea, but Stalin, having learned about this, planted her "radish".
Now, if Polina Semyonovna succeeded in the idea, then the opinion of Crimeans in the USA was listened to.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Amateur

And where did you see so many Jews in Crimea that it would be worth listening to their voice in a referendum.
Polina Semyonovna Zhemchuzhina (Pearl Solomonovna Karpovskaya) tried to persuade her husband to make Israel in Crimea, but Stalin, having learned about this, planted her "radish".
Now, if Polina Semyonovna succeeded in the idea, then the opinion of Crimeans in the USA was listened to.

This is of course nonsense about the Crimea. But thanks to Comrade Stalin.

[Dym71]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

But thanks to Comrade Stalin.

- Zyama, tell me, please, but did you like other women before me?
- Well, what are you, Tsilechka! So, I respected a little ...

[Amateur]

This is of course nonsense about the Crimea. But thanks to Comrade Stalin.

But didn’t you know?
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Еврейская_автономия_в_Крыму

[Zeev Zeev]

For what thanks to Stalin? For the ban on the study of Hebrew, for the ban on Zionist organizations, for the closure of synagogues and the arrest of rabbis, for the surrender of hundreds of Jewish communists into the hands of the Gestapo, for the murder of Mikhoels and the case of doctors, for the extermination of members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, for the hunt for members of Briha and Jewish soldiers of the Red Army, who wrote letters with a request to send them as volunteers to the war with the Arab armies? For what thanks to Stalin?

[Charik]

say Putin thank you

[Zeev Zeev]

I have nothing to do with the Chabad movement, so the photo of Berl Lazar is not interesting to me.

[Charik]

so I say, thank pu, with it all this is possible

[Zeev Zeev]

You know, under Mitterrand it was also possible, and under Havel, and under Waldheim, and under Reagan, even under Jaruzelsky it is possible. But under Hitler it was impossible.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Amateur

Polina Semyonovna Zhemchuzhina (Pearl Solomonovna Karpovskaya) tried to persuade her husband to make Israel in Crimea,

Well, I really want to read about it, HELP PLEASE.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And then the question of the Crimea arises in all its height.

And about Donbas as well.

[private person]

And then the question of the Crimea arises in all its height

So Crimea was originally the territory of the Russian Empire and, by the stupid will of Khrushchev, became part of the Ukrainian SSR. And now there is no Ukrainian SSR but Russia is and it’s all logical that Crimea is again Russian.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: private person

So Crimea was originally the territory of the Russian Empire

The word "initially", as it does not quite fit the story, or well, her in the swamp.
1 The first inhabitants of Crimea were Cimmerians, in the XNUMXth century BC. e.
2 Scythian state in the III century
3 Turkish since 1222, and then the Tatar-Mongols invade
And many, many more
But only
В 1783 year, Catherine II issued a manifesto on the adoption of the Crimea, the composition of the Russian Empire.
But in Judea from the first mention, the Jews lived and they like ALWAYS SKY!

[Operator]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

in Judea from the first mention, the Jews lived and to them as ALWAYS HER

And in Canaan (the first name of Palestine given in the Torah) lived Canaanites (thoroughbred Arabs) - before the migration of Jews from Egypt (Métis of the Semites and Hamites), of course.

PS Prior to the Cimmerians, Scythians, Tauri, Goths, Khazars, Tatars and other riffraffs, autochthonous Black Sea Arians lived in Crimea - blood relatives of the East European Aryans (ancestors of the Slavs). Russia in the 18th century regained its Crimea.

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Operator

In the Crimea, autochthonous Black Sea arias lived

Yeah. They also dug the sea.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Operator

And in Canaan (the first name of Palestine, given in the Torah) lived Canaanites (thoroughbred Arabs)

This you can tell on a circle of anti-Semites.
And in the Tanakh, the inhabitants of Canaan were called Canaanites, but they were an ethnic conglomeration of nationalities (mainly Western Semites, including Phoenicians), repeatedly mentioned separately (see, in particular, Amorites). They settled there no later than the XNUMXth millennium BC. Neighboring, interacted and fought with Jewish people from the time of Abraham to the early Middle Ages, when they completely disappeared among other nations. Repeatedly mentioned in the Tanakh. Some scientists believe that part of them at different stages of history Jewish people.
At that time, Arabs did not smell in these parts; they lived on the territory of modern Syria, Iraq and in the north of the Arabian Peninsula. AND IN THESE REGIONS AND NOSE WERE NOT POOLED.

Quote: Operator

Black Sea arias - blood relatives of the East European Aryans (ancestors of the Slavs).

This theory existed in one who imagined himself "ruler of the world"
Please give a link, it is very interesting to read.

[Operator]

Arabs are purebred Semites - carriers of the dominant haplogroup J1. The Western Semites are part of the Arabs. If this makes it easier for you, then the Arabs, starting from the 8th millennium BC, began to oust the Hamites from Canaan / Palestine to Africa and by the 4th millennium BC completely occupied this territory.

And the founder of the nomadic Habiru tribe (future Jews) Abraham (Arab by birth) was born at the beginning of the 2nd millennium BC, i.e. 2000 years after the resettlement of the Arabs in Canaan. Only after 700 years of nomadic life and mixing with Asia Minors (J2), Hamites (E1) and other Middle Eastern ethnic groups, the Jews, under the ideological leadership of the prophet Moses, began to conquer Canaan from its sedentary Arabs.

As you can see, of the two of us, the anti-Semite (the enemy of the Arabs - purebred Semites) is you - a representative of the mestizo nation

And be careful with the Aryans - carriers of the haplogroup R1a (not to be confused with the "Aryans"): Moses came from the tribe of Levi, for the most part consisting of the descendants of the Black Sea Aryans who reached the Middle East.

Source: web portal Reformat.ru

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Operator

Source: web portal Reformat.ru

Thank you very much.
He got acquainted, even a little deeper.
Anatoly Alekseevich Klyosov
He gained fame as the author of "DNA Genealogy", which he advocated as a new science that studies the migration of populations and the genetic history of mankind. Due to the incorrectness of the theoretical foundations of DNA genealogy, its methods and conclusions, specialists this concept is recognized as pseudoscientific. In particular, historians, anthropologists, ethnologists, linguists and specialists in the field of population genetics opposed DNA genealogy.
Klyosov is the chief editor of Advances in Anthropology, mostly printing marginal figures and little-known scientists from those who adapt to Klesov
All this is extremely interesting, but does not replace historical facts.

[Operator]

The American journal Advances in Anthropology is a leading specialized scientific publication.

Anatoly Klesov is a laureate of the Israeli Prize in the field of genealogy of Jews as an ethnic group. Based on the analysis of the haplotype of the Jews and the speed of mutations, he established the lifetime of the ancestor along the line J1 - the alleged Abraham, as well as the haplotypes of individual tribes of Israel.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Operator

The American journal Advances in Anthropology is a leading specialized scientific publication.

Yes, this person is really interesting
He broke all brains into pieces,
Straight all the meanders
He knows how to make money from literally everything.
He devoted most of his career to developing ways to use enzymes to turn agricultural waste into useful products — first to convert cotton waste into glucose in the USSR, and then to the United States, turning paper mill waste into useful products.
He later helped found the company, and then joined it as a CSO, which was founded to use enzymes to modify existing anticancer drugs
Yes, he received many Lenin Komsomol prizes in 1978
USSR State Prize in 1984.
But I did not find information about this award in either Russian, Hebrew, or English.
I do not want to take the place of a list of leading world-famous scientists who, to put it mildly, call him an honest man.
Thank you for the interesting information.

[muham]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

All this is extremely interesting, but does not replace historical facts.

Well, but according to historical facts, the legal roots of the restoration of state. Israel is rooted in the Sykes Agreement - Pico. And Russia agreed.

[Zeev Zeev]

The Canaanites are subfamilies of the Semitic languages ​​spoken by the peoples of ancient Canaan - Jews, Phoenicians, Amorites, Moabites, Edomites, and Carthaginians.

[Operator]

Jews are certainly Semites in terms of their language, especially since Abraham and his descendants (making up 30% of the number of modern Jews) are consanguineous Arabs - carriers of the southern Semitic J1.

But only as much as African Americans are Anglo-Saxons

[Zeev Zeev]

But the Jews are not the southern Semites, but the Western. In Israel, local clans, known for more than two hundred years, make up about 5 percent of the Arab population. All the rest or aliens from Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, the Maghreb or Islamized Jews (Abulafiya, Jaber), Samaritans, and others. And if genetics is so interesting, then 95% of Jews are of Middle Eastern origin. By the way, this is precisely why the Arabs often take me, an Ashkenazi Jew from Belarus, as their own, but an unfamiliar Arab will always turn to Hebrew or English for members of the Daglas family from the village of Burka near Schema.

[Operator]

The adjective "South Semitic" is the nomenclature for haplogroup J1 (regardless of the place of residence of its carriers).

Purebred carriers of J1 are exclusively Arabs living on the Arabian Peninsula, in Jordan and Palestine, as well as 50% of Syrians, 30% of Jews, 25% of Iraqis, Egyptians, etc.

The Ashkenazi Jewish haplotype consists of 30% of South Semitic J1, 25% of North Semitic J2, 10% of Erbin R1b and 8% of Aryan R1a.

[Zeev Zeev]

In the human genome there is not one haplogroup, but several, and their sum is a sign of ethnic origin. The exception is only tribes that do not have contact with the outside world.

[Operator]

A particular person is a carrier of only one haplogroup of the Y chromosome, transmitted strictly along the male line.

A population of people (tribe, people) consists of carriers of different haplogroups. If the population has 50% or more carriers of a particular haplogroup, it is called dominant (examples are Chinese, Irish, Basques, Mongols, Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula, Poles, Russians, etc.). In the absence of a haplogroup of representatives of the population in the population at a similar level of carriers, they are called mestizos (examples are Greeks, Jews, Tatars, Japanese, etc.)

[Zeev Zeev]

That is, the Chinese in Harbin and Shanghai are the same Chinese?

[Operator]

90% of ethnic Chinese (not Uyghur, Mongol, Manchu, or Tibetans) are carriers of Haplogroup O1.

Therefore, the average static Chinese in Harbin and Shanghai are 90% likely to belong to O1 carriers.

[Zeev Zeev]

The table they are so different on the face and do not understand each other? My friend at a construction site has two Chinese brigades working. I did not check genetics for them, but it seems that they are two different peoples, one from near Harbin, the other from the south of the PRC (not Shanghai, like Guangdong). This is one haplogroup!

[Operator]

China initially consisted of many provinces, where they spoke different dialects of the Chinese language, differing more than, for example, Russian and Polish.

Therefore, the Chinese were forced to use ideogram rather than phonetic writing.

[Zeev Zeev]

There are not even dialects, there are different languages.

[Operator]

You could say that - having once chosen an ideogram writing system, the Chinese "froze" their linguistic integration.

[cat Rusich]

At first there was Canaan (Promised Land) - then the Jews came around 1550 BC. Remember the flight of the Jews from Egypt.

[Zeev Zeev]

Canaan is a land Promised only for Jews.

[cat Rusich]

Canaanites: Amorites, Periszians, Hivveas, Girgashs, Eusebes (founders of Jerusalem) - descendants of Ham (one of the sons of Noah), the cities of Jericho, Bethel, Ay ... The promised land was settled before the arrival of the Jews ...

[Pvi1206]

Israel has been manipulating the United States for a long time ... it is Israel that is the beneficiary of the Middle East buoy that the United States created ...

[borberd]

Quite a bold statement, given that the BV world was not long before the creation of the United States.

[Ryaruav]

yes who would doubt the Jewish lobby in the usa will push

[knn54]

The UN opinion does not give a damn, however.

[borberd]

Quote: knn54

The UN opinion does not give a damn, however.

Like you, actually. Do you always look at the opinion of the UN, or only when it is beneficial for you? You can, after all, also express the opinion of the General Assembly under number 68/262.

[Alexga]

It may be so, but a new Saladdin may be born, and everything will change.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: AlexGa

but a new Saladdin may be born, and everything will change.

And who is stronger than Meshiah (Messiah) or Al-Malik al-Nasir Salah ad-Duniya wa-d-Din Abul-Muzaffar Yusuf ibn Ayyub (Saladin)? The length of the names does not need to be compared.

[prior]

Here is a real role model.
Russians have long had to behave like Jews in international affairs.
And let the whole world wait...

[Svarog]

Quote: prior

Russians have long had to behave like Jews in international affairs.

They are afraid of personal sanctions, otherwise it would be so.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svarog

They are afraid of personal sanctions, otherwise it would be so.

Rather yes than no.

[Junior Private]

There will never be peace and tranquility in BV, as long as there are interests of Naglosak’s democratic terrorism.

[rotmistr60]

Depends only on the Israeli leadership. It is it that must declare the extension of sovereignty to these lands, and Washington will immediately support this decision of Tel Aviv.

Just? Side of the UN resolution, the views of other independent states, as there are two pillars in the world on which he (the world) relies - the United States and Israel. The points are placed, the masks are reset. True, they didn’t really hide it, for a long time they did not give a damn about everyone.

[regdan]

A man said a man did, this is not a snot to chew.

[sleeve]

"Abdula! Set it on fire!"

[Karaul73]

Quote: Malyuta

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And then the question of the Crimea arises in all its height.

How do you get this question?
Israel annexed (seized) the territory, not even observing the minimum legitimacy of the process, and with Crimea everything is completely different.

What legitimacy you are talking about! For a long time, after the fall of the socialist bloc, the law of the strongest is present in the world. Previously, at least the USSR-US parity was.

[iouris]

In return, Israel recognizes US sovereignty on the moon.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

For which thanks to Stalin?

For what he did not do Jewish autonomy in the Crimea.

[iouris]

Of course, he acted wisely, creating Jewish autonomy on the border with China: he saw through the years! Or maybe Mao-Dzedong, too ... a countrywoman? There is even a joke about this.

[orionvitt]

What is not clear. Anything done with the approval of the United States is by definition "legal, human and democratic." Everything that others do is initially "vile, not democratic and anti-human."

[Iris]

This "news" can soon be sheared like a sheep - and without Friedman, almost all top US officials said the same more than a year ago.

And, by the way, about the parallel between the Golan and Crimea. Israel did not support the UN resolution on Crimea and has never challenged Russian sovereignty over the peninsula. Considering this, and Israel's non-alignment with the sanctions of Western countries, and the important assistance rendered by our Air Force at the initial stage of operations in Syria, it would be both logical and correct on our part to recognize a de jure long existing fact. But we are bound by a treaty with Syria .. Therefore, we can only abstain - Israel did not vote on Crimea, we do not vote on the Golan Heights. It costs us nothing - all resolutions will still be negative, and in Syria they are in any case like a dead poultice - and parity in relations has been restored. But no, no "abstained", only "against". To paraphrase a well-known politician, "this is more than illogical - this is a mistake."

[Razvedka_Boem]

Who is stronger, he writes the rules.

[high]

Quote: Malyuta

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And then the question of the Crimea arises in all its height.

How do you get this question?
Israel annexed (seized) the territory, not even observing the minimum legitimacy of the process, and with Crimea everything is completely different.

The difference between the seizure of Crimea and the Jordan Valley is that Israel seized these territories in the war ....