Disputes and assumptions regarding the 5th generation fighter MiG LMFS

Disputes and assumptions regarding the 5th generation fighter MiG LMFS

The foreign press recalled that Russia had at least two programs to create fifth-generation fighters.


The main “information share” is occupied by the Su-57, which they plan to put into service with the Russian Air Force in the current (2020) year. But there is also a project from MiG, which is designated as LMFS (Light Multi-Purpose Frontline Aircraft). This aircraft was supposed to replace the MiG-29, as well as the MiG-35. True, we must admit that with the prevalence of 35 MiGs we still have problems.

MiG LMFS is designated as an aircraft with stealth technology. It was such plans that were initially voiced at the mention of the project of this combat vehicle. Data on its planned performance characteristics remain extremely controversial.

Initially, it was reported that the LMFS will be equipped with a pair of engines with a thrust of 10 tons each (the Klimov VK-10M was mentioned). Then statements began to appear regarding a possible “revolutionary” configuration, when the aircraft would be equipped with a flat nozzle. In this case, the engines could be those that are being developed as engines of the second stage for the Su-57. The declared radius of combat use is 1100-1200 km.

An article was previously published in the French media where it was stated that the promising MiG “has a duck scheme. It was added that for maneuverability, the fighter was allegedly going to be equipped with an “abdominal fin”.

The Chinese portal Sohu came out with material saying that if the design of the MiG LMFS is implemented, it will "surpass in many ways another Russian fifth-generation fighter - the Su-57." The same author adds that the MiG representatives “borrowed from the Chinese J-20.” Other foreign authors, entering into an absentee dispute, claim that the project of the Russian MiG LMFS may have appeared earlier than the project of the Chinese J-20 fighter.

However, all these disputes and conflicting statements with assumptions are hardly worth much. There is no official data that the LMFs project is going to be implemented. There is no evidence that the military department is financing work in this direction for two Russian aircraft construction companies at once. Therefore, while MiG LMFS continues to remain in the form of copyright graphics or layouts.

It is important to note that if such developments are available, it means that, if necessary, the implementation of the “Mig” program of the 5th generation fighter can be started (resumed). If there are technologies, then keeping them in the farthest drawer of the table for a long time is hardly worth it, but it is also not worthwhile to spray efforts with limited resources on several projects at once.
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  1. Victor_B 6 May 2020 08: 27 New
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    Everyone guesses on different substances!
    I figured if to my sofa the new MiG LMFS to attach dviguny from the Su-57, is not it too bold?
    How much should weigh my sofa a new hawk, so as not to become the "old" Su-57?
    According to open data, the maximum thrust of the Product 30 engine reaches 11000 kgf, afterburning - 18000 kgf.
    If it weighs “only” 30 tons, it can start right from the gate of the unit up.
    Only trap logs before starting.
    Yes! And to step up the ladder to the pilot higher!
    1. evgenii67 6 May 2020 08: 37 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Everyone guesses on different substances!
      I figured that if I attach dviguns from the Su-57 to my new MiG LMFS sofa, would it be too bold?
      How much does my new hawk have to weigh in order not to become the “old” Su-57?

      it’s fat for us to have a MiG-35, and even with the Su-57 everything is pulling and pulling. on the other hand, if you attach the engine (one) type F-16. maybe such a light fighter would have a chance at life? And yet it’s not for me not for you from our sofas that the full picture is still not visible.
      1. Victor_B 6 May 2020 08: 42 New
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        Quote: evgenii67
        And yet it’s not for me not for you from our sofas that the full picture is still not visible.

        Offend the boss!
        Intelligence divan troops knows EVERYTHING!
        About everything!
        The day before yesterday we were experts in the oil industry, yesterday - virologists, and today I discovered that I am an outstanding specialist in the design of fighter jets! laughing
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 6 May 2020 08: 44 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          The day before yesterday we were experts in the oil industry, yesterday - virologists, and today I discovered that I am an outstanding specialist in the design of fighter jets!

          Schoolchildren are also sitting at home because of a coronovirus infection, so there are more experts at VO.
          1. Victor_B 6 May 2020 08: 47 New
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            I am the one that is on the edge. laughing
            1. aleks26 6 May 2020 12: 20 New
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              Quote: Victor_B
              I am the one that is on the edge.

              Is not the one who is in the center! ?? laughing
          2. Alexey RA 6 May 2020 15: 33 New
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            Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Schoolchildren are also sitting at home because of a coronovirus infection, so there are more experts at VO.

            1. Voyager 7 May 2020 18: 56 New
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              Who knows, that will be funny:
        2. Zhan 6 May 2020 08: 50 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          Quote: evgenii67
          And yet it’s not for me not for you from our sofas that the full picture is still not visible.

          Offend the boss!
          Intelligence divan troops knows EVERYTHING!
          About everything!
          The day before yesterday we were experts in the oil industry, yesterday - virologists, and today I discovered that I am an outstanding specialist in the design of fighter jets! laughing

          laughing hi
          This is called a good learn mate. part. And the engineering mind, based on basic knowledge, allows you to draw certain conclusions ... lol
          Good morning everyone... smile
          1. Victor_B 6 May 2020 08: 51 New
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            Quote: Zhan
            Good morning everyone...

            Well, I have a night.
            Deep.
            1. Zhan 6 May 2020 08: 54 New
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              Quote: Victor_B
              Quote: Zhan
              Good morning everyone...

              Well, I have a night.
              Deep.

              Voooot! why we are not victorious !!! laughing
              And not one troll will survive here, you passed a post there, and here we took a post ... smile
          2. Victor_B 6 May 2020 08: 57 New
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            Quote: Zhan
            A engineering mind, based on basic knowledge

            Do not drink!
            But you have to try!
        3. hydrox 6 May 2020 10: 12 New
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          Hey, intelligence?
          And what is there, in intelligence, they say about the engines :: what does the Klimovsk VK-1 from MiG-15 have to fifth-generation aircraft? laughing
          1. Piramidon 6 May 2020 11: 05 New
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            Quote: hydrox
            What does Klimov VK-1 from MiG-15 have to fifth-generation aircraft?

            Well, there are no VK-10M images yet, it is only being designed. And you need to insert a picture. So the author and stuck what looks like the name (VK-1). The first time you meet such a mismatch in VO, or what?
            1. hydrox 6 May 2020 12: 42 New
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              Well, yes, not the first: you are right about this.
              By the way, the author changed the title photo: can you tell me what kind of dvigun there is?
              1. hydrox 6 May 2020 12: 55 New
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                In my opinion, Al-31, but not sure.
              2. Piramidon 6 May 2020 13: 31 New
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                Quote: hydrox
                maybe tell me what kind of dvigun there?

                Judging by the photo, this is AL-41F1S (product 117C)

                https://naukatehnika.com/dvigatel-al-41f1.html

                But again, not VK-10M. request
                1. hydrox 6 May 2020 13: 35 New
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                  Thank you.
            2. Grits 6 May 2020 13: 43 New
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              Quote: Piramidon
              Well, there are no VK-10M images yet, it is only being designed. And you need to insert a picture.

              Say thank you that at least not a picture from KamAZ
        4. askarkidasov 6 May 2020 14: 55 New
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          I am an expert, ask me.
        5. Paul K. 6 May 2020 17: 37 New
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          Can you have your own “five cents”? Here is the above comrade, IMHO, to the point - ENGINE. As a specialist, I can only say one thing - if you want to find out the perspective of an aircraft (or aircraft, whatever you like) - grind its engine. 1. On engines, we are always in aviation (and not only) - in missions starting from Sikorsky, Klimov, Lyulka, etc. The reasons are different, one (as the old special specialist used to say to me in 92) is somewhere behind only 300-400 Kelvin in terms of Tz.T. Look - the Yak-42 is better in economics than even the 737th (300th) Why - the D-36 for the 80s with its breakthrough bypass ratio of 4.6 (emnip) - this is a breakthrough, from here we go through the noise, saving, traction, etc. Offhand - ASH-82 - and the La-5 FN wipes the Me-109G-2 (and even the G6) completely (not to mention the F4 Friedrich, and even more so F2 and the Stalingrad sky is ours)) Just a "star" in It’s Klimov’s inline 105 matches. The Dutch SF made a breakthrough for the Boeing, and our Al-41 (M) siblings of China cannot still copy. Here is the story (from the 30s to the 80s) 2. If we get an engine (in my memory they are obtained only for the army (the exception is D-36 (now they buy D136 for urine (the same thing) and TV-3-115 (117) for turntables)), then the plane is already a breakthrough (because on gliders and metal we are ALWAYS ahead of the rest). By the way, I really know the power of YaMZ-236 (IMHO, a jerk for a car, long talk about ideas), competitors buried in the same way as the 42nd, Tu-144, Tu-214, Buran, IL-96 (but I’m waiting for 35) and a lot of things ... Here is such a crap, babies ...
      2. Bshkaus 6 May 2020 09: 44 New
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        maybe such a light fighter would have a chance at life? And yet it’s not for me not for you from our sofas that the full picture is still not visible.

        It used to be, the Su-27s and derivatives make up the heavy fighter lineup, the MiG supplied the light front-line MiG-29. Aircraft have different tasks.
        Then came the fashion trend for the “5” generation demanding “universality”. It turned out very expensive and very difficult. For a reason, the Americans limited the F-22 to a batch of about 200 pieces and set to work on the light F-35
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          5-9 6 May 2020 10: 05 New
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          This "light" F-35 has a maximum take-off like the Su-35S ...
        2. Boa kaa 6 May 2020 19: 27 New
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          Quote: Bshkaus
          Aircraft have different tasks.

          Right. In the same way as the fact that 1 heavy accounted for 4 lungs, which are cheaper. For a lightweight, 2 dviguns are superfluous, although of course survivability, thrust-to-weight ratio ... But the consumption of engines is 2 times higher! America is rich, and then she refused such a scheme, and we know we are riveting 2 turbojet engines for 29 and 35.
          Regarding the "universality" of our 5th generation.
          This is a birth injury from the Second World War, where aviation mainly supported the infantry. It was the Luftwaffe who built the Knives to gain air supremacy, and we were increasingly leaning on the IL-2.
          Then, the Su-57 is such a platform with which they plan to organize the S-70 battle, which the F-22 does not yet have, but the F-35 already acts as an “integrator” of air strike and ground forces. Network-centric warfare however!
          Here you’ll think: what kind of LMFs do we need for the future. Maybe Amy is right in their views on the nature of future battles and the role of air complexes in their organization?
          IMHO.
          1. bayard 7 May 2020 01: 08 New
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            Here you need to look at the problem a little deeper.
            The other day, Andrey from Chelyabinsk published a good article. The main thing in it - attention is drawn to the SUM allocated for the "study of this issue." Such a budget is enough unless a couple of design engineers made a sketch / sketches of a promising aircraft for future consideration. This is a long-term job and a groundwork.
            Even if a decision is made (for development), one can expect such an aircraft no earlier than 2035 - 2040. And by this time, much can change.
            The second question that puzzled me was why two engines.
            If the aircraft will be light, and therefore massive, and even front-line, then the time of inter-flight training and the number of possible departures during the day are of great importance.
            Service TWO engine - this service TWO engine. Twice as long as one. Plus the issue of unification. It is much easier to make a new lightweight fighter on one "Product-30" - it is already practically there and the characteristics are ideal. A more mass production of such an engine will lead to its cost reduction, increased reliability (production completion during mass production), ease of repair and maintenance of a single engine for two aircraft .... An airplane with such an engine is much more preferable for an aerospace engine.
            But.
            There is one BUT.
            In the same 15-20 years, the Russian Navy may well have aircraft carriers. You can argue about their need as much as you like, but without them there can be no question of any combat stability of the fleet in the DMZ and OZ.
            And.
            And the question arises at its full height - which planes to base on it.
            Su-57 not to offer - is too bulky, and our aircraft carriers are unlikely to be the size of the US, rather within 50 tons of VI. But even if the VI is at 000 tons, the Su-80 is still not suitable. So need more compact fighters.
            What kind ?
            After all, it turns out that they need to start developing now. MiG-29K and MiG-35 do not offer, they will by then already be an anachronism.
            And now the question arises before the leadership of the Moscow Region - to develop two new light fighters at once, or to choose one for both cases ... Of course, it is best in the old Soviet traditions to announce a competition and to puzzle both design bureaus: Sukhoi Design Bureau builds LFMI on one "Product -30 "and T-50 technologies, and the MiG design team sculpts its promising twin-engine.
            As a result of such a competition, both will most likely be selected: MiG - for aircraft carriers, and Su - in the VKS. And everyone will be happy.
            But, alas, we do not live in the USSR ... there are limitations. Including financial. High-quality financing of both projects will be difficult and work is likely to drag out ... There are enough examples.

            And what would the Father and Teacher of all nations, Comrade Stalin, do?
            In this situation ? repeat
            It seems to me that his verdict would be as follows (I apologize for arrogance):
            - If we can’t develop two fighter planes of similar characteristics and purpose in the SROK period, is it not wise to concentrate all our forces and resources on creating one such aircraft that could be operated both in front-line airfields and on our wonderful decks ( future) aircraft carriers? Let it be a fighter with two engines of the MiG design bureau ... Cope, comrade Mikoyan? This is a matter of national importance ... We love you very much, Comrade Mikoyan, but if you don’t manage, we will shoot you.
            Good luck, fellow designers.
            1. magirus401 7 May 2020 14: 42 New
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              Service TWO engine - this service TWO engine. Twice as long as one.
              And if you simultaneously serve two engines .... then you can not read the post
              1. bayard 7 May 2020 19: 36 New
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                Quote: magirus401
                And if you simultaneously serve two engines

                That will need twice as many technicians, and they are already a GREAT deficit.
                In addition, you really didn’t finish reading, because the conclusion was nevertheless made in favor of a twin-engine aircraft, and unification will be achieved by adapting the modification of such an LFMI to deck based on future aircraft carriers.
                If this goal is not worth it, then two engines for the LFMI are thoughtless wastefulness and irrationality. Moreover, to make such an aircraft on one "Product-30" and T-50 technologies is much faster in time and cheaper in money.
                Plus all the advantages in operation.
      3. tomket 7 May 2020 01: 13 New
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        Quote: evgenii67
        it’s fat for us to have a MiG-35, and even with the Su-57 everything is pulling and pulling. on the other hand, if you attach the engine (one) type F-16. maybe such a light fighter would have a chance at life? And yet it’s not for me not for you from our sofas that the full picture is still not visible

        And how do you determine if it’s bold or not bold? Of curiosity, it’s interesting.
    2. Civil 6 May 2020 09: 21 New
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      One engine, why two again.
      1. Victor_B 6 May 2020 09: 24 New
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        Initially, it was reported that the LMFS will be equipped with a pair of engines
        It seems so assumed ...
    3. abrakadabre 7 May 2020 19: 36 New
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      if I attach dviguny from Su-57 to my sofa a new MiG LMFS, will it be too bold?
      Or maybe the detonation engine will ripen just. winked
  2. Pavel57 6 May 2020 08: 34 New
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    About the ventral fin amused.
    1. Errr 6 May 2020 08: 50 New
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      And the VK-1 photo smiled under the heading. smile Apparently I mean "back to the future", not otherwise. laughing
      1. bars1 6 May 2020 10: 30 New
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        Errrwhy vk-1? So because ,, the old horse does not spoil the furrow! "
        1. Errr 6 May 2020 10: 36 New
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          Quote: bars1
          ,, the old horse does not spoil the furrow "
          Oh, if he also plowed deeply! laughing
        2. Piramidon 6 May 2020 13: 44 New
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          Quote: bars1
          why vk-1? So because ,, the old horse does not spoil the furrow! "

          Yes, VK-1 and its modifications are a reliable unit. On airfield heat engines, even with loss, parts of the blades operate in terrible ground conditions. good
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    1. Shooter22 6 May 2020 08: 57 New
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      good The farther, the morale is steeper, and the value of articles is less!
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 6 May 2020 09: 02 New
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        Quote: Shooter22
        The further, the morale is steeper

        You can restrict yourself to reading the headings, also an option yes Here at Mikhan's all is simple, you do not need to read the publication, just write comments.
        1. Shooter22 6 May 2020 10: 11 New
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          Yes, somehow used to the old fashioned way ... To judge an article, you must first read it. VK-1 in the title photo is a tough guy squared! lol
  4. Vlad5307 6 May 2020 08: 37 New
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    Quote: Victor_B
    Everyone guesses on different substances!
    I figured if to my sofa the new MiG LMFS to attach dviguny from the Su-57, is not it too bold?
    How much should weigh my sofa a new hawk, so as not to become the "old" Su-57?
    According to open data, the maximum thrust of the Product 30 engine reaches 11000 kgf, afterburning - 18000 kgf.

    Fortune-telling can be long and fruitless, but some fortune-tellers also try to crap, passing off their fantasies as truth. laughing
  5. Dmitry from Voronezh 6 May 2020 08: 39 New
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    Another speculation. Neither facts nor information. It is unlikely that the state will fork out for another stealth fighter. There would be a Su-57 to bring to mind ... There were also plans to modernize the Su 30CM, for new purchases of the Su-34. So if MiG will make a new stealth then it is most likely on an initiative basis. And what really the state could support MiG-is to buy pieces of 40 35's. That would be reasonable.
    1. Victor_B 6 May 2020 09: 02 New
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      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      And what really the state could support MiG-is to buy pieces of 40 35's. That would be reasonable.

      Duck, like, buy a little.
      Again go dirty (s) whores that Mig is sawing a null-identifying Uber-Interceptor Mig-41.
      1. Cyril G ... 6 May 2020 09: 07 New
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        Miserable unworthy attempts to give loot for the reincarnation of the MiG-31. What for?
    2. Grits 6 May 2020 13: 47 New
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      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      Another speculation. Neither facts nor information. It is unlikely that the state will fork out for another stealth fighter. There would be a Su-57 to bring to mind ... There were also plans to modernize the Su 30CM, for new purchases of the Su-34. So if MiG will make a new stealth then it is most likely on an initiative basis.

      If you also take into account that sometimes infa flashes about the promising MIG interceptor. Will MIG pull the development of two projects at once?
  6. Alexey Sommer 6 May 2020 08: 50 New
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    And why is this MiG LMFS needed, if the Hunter is preparing?
    1. bars1 6 May 2020 10: 35 New
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      4 million rubles allocated for research and all this for FOUR years is about nothing. The third-rate research which became known.
    2. Sky strike fighter 6 May 2020 10: 47 New
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      A light fighter of the 5th generation is needed for the future VKS. Because how many Su-57 will not do, it is unprofitable. We need an easy multi-functional platform of the future in the face of LMFS. The hunter is still a test ball in such a topic of the future as unmanned fighter-bombers. Another way to fully replace them is far. Again, LMFs will be very popular on the market. That is, there are many prospects for this topic .
      1. Cyril G ... 6 May 2020 12: 19 New
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        But not in the form described.
        1. Grits 6 May 2020 13: 48 New
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          Quote: Cyril G ...
          But not in the form described.

          And not in this century.
    3. URAL72 6 May 2020 11: 39 New
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      A hunter is a strike UAV, which should complement at least a light, even heavy fighter of the 5th generation. Can compensate for the lack of front-line bombers. But he cannot replace LFI.
  7. Maks1995 6 May 2020 08: 51 New
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    Do not take the main thing!
    Do not care project. Are there any "overwhelming" projections, promoted by the media.

    The main thing is to brag about it before the next election, remind us from time to time of what we have, and convince the housewives / s that we are great !! At least in the media.
    1. Sky strike fighter 6 May 2020 10: 53 New
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      Not a project, but a project, moreover, promising and very necessary in the future.
      The main thing is to brag about it before the next election, remind us from time to time of what we have, and convince the housewives / s that we are great !! At least in the media.

      To convince partners that there is something to answer if that. These are real projects undergoing tests, where does you get so much skepticism from? In America, there is no doubt that these are real projects.
      1. Maks1995 6 May 2020 13: 09 New
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        They have been public relations for a long time, and even there is no decision on the beginning. So far the projection. (like 2 nuclear aircraft carriers and a super-fast helicopter with wings from Raphael). Either the 5th, 6th generation roofing felts right away.

        In China and Japan, a light fighter is already flying. On the tests. They have a project. And it’s not clear whether it’s going to work ....
  8. Amateur 6 May 2020 08: 59 New
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    The Chinese portal Sohu came out with the material ... that the MiG company representatives “borrowed from the Chinese J-20”

    Well Soha made laugh, so made laugh. It's nice in the morning to treat yourself to someone else's stupidity. fool
    1. Cyril G ... 6 May 2020 09: 08 New
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      Chinese Ji is made in the model and likeness of the MiG
    2. really 6 May 2020 09: 59 New
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      Imagine, it suddenly turns out that Sohu didn't write it at all.
      1. Amateur 6 May 2020 10: 07 New
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        Imagine, it suddenly turns out that Sohu didn't write it at all.

        And what's the difference - Soha or on-duty editor VO. It's still funny.
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          There is something about it laughing
  9. Zaurbek 6 May 2020 09: 21 New
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    And this is all because the state does not have a coherent strategy. There are no secrets here .... Is a heavy fighter needed for the Russian Federation? Can we equip them with the entire fleet of our Air Force?
    For countries such as France, a completely average fighter solves all its problems.
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 6 May 2020 11: 38 New
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      For countries such as France, a completely average fighter solves all its problems.
      ... and for countries like Russia, with our most outstanding (mass-sized) electronics, heavy and only heavy IFIs are needed non-alternatively.
      1. Zaurbek 6 May 2020 12: 49 New
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        But in our country, electronics began to decrease ..... and you don’t need to stuff everything into one plane, as in F35 ...... it might be easier to make two local versions of the car.
        1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 6 May 2020 13: 01 New
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          But in our country, electronics began to decline
          But the technological gap with competitors is only growing, which means, ceteris paribus, our aircraft should be larger.
          and don’t need to stuff everything into one plane, as in F35
          So they didn’t stuff anything superfluous in it, all the multifunctionality is provided by the software.
          1. Zaurbek 6 May 2020 13: 54 New
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            I write that if we can’t do this, then for the shock versions you can put the second pilot. On the MiG35, the cockpit (space under it) is universal, 1 pilot + tank or 2pcs of a pilot. But with AFAR and 2 local car can. So they did to carry out air defense tasks. So did the Americans in the latest versions of F15
  10. marchcat 6 May 2020 09: 21 New
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    The project of the Russian MiG LMFS may have appeared earlier than the project of the Chinese J-20 fighter
    Where did the Chinese get such a sick imagination? They really can’t do anything, but there too! fool
    1. Zaurbek 6 May 2020 12: 50 New
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      They made a J10 and unified it according to AL31 with the rest of the machines .... that was smart enough.
  11. prior 6 May 2020 09: 24 New
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    Even the most wonderful car engine is not a car yet.
    Without advanced electronics, a developed electronic industry, an aircraft engine is not a plane, rockets are not weapons.
  12. Runoway 6 May 2020 09: 31 New
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    Given the fact that two years ago, OKB presented the MiG-35, which in fact was just a polished empty glider inside, and the assembly conveyor started only in May 2018, it’s stupid to speculate and guess about what is missing.
    The country has an unfinished 57th
    160th as a minx
    In the long line for the modernization of 22m3, 95th
    Replacement of the MiG 31 is urgently needed
    It’s time to upgrade the entire fighter fleet for the availability of modern sights, afar and ultra-long explosive missiles
    And without that the rotten economy achieves less than $ 30 / barrel with measures to “fight” with coronovirus and oil, and they are talking about space ships
    1. Sancho_SP 6 May 2020 09: 40 New
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      Do you need these replacements? Even the Americans realized that they needed a single car. And to us to drag different types is even more difficult.
      1. Runoway 6 May 2020 10: 55 New
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        Of course we need !!! Our huge country cannot be without a long interceptor
        -12 pieces of the 160th is very small
        -Modernization of 95th and 22m3 is pants support while waiting for PAKDA
        Americans guessed that a single machine is needed

        Yes nuuu, do you mean the F-35? So universal that everywhere for a little bit and in the end, nowhere ... ...... me. In general, he has a global scam, and as soon as it opens, the Americans will be ready to provide the alliance with a replacement, which urgently needs to be re-equipped.
        And then look at the versatility in action F-18, 16 and 15 are indispensable in the ranks
  13. Sancho_SP 6 May 2020 09: 38 New
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    So far, this is only maintaining the twinkle pants. About some kind of project is not talking.

    Mig-35 is an absolutely unpromising car, in terms of price / quality ratio. And there is nothing more to feed Mig with, only promising projects.
    1. Sky strike fighter 6 May 2020 10: 59 New
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      It is a completely modern machine. Better than the Su-30SM.
  14. Bshkaus 6 May 2020 09: 40 New
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    I can say that representatives of the MiG harbored a very deep grudge that they were knocked over with a 5th generation aircraft, they did not even allow them to develop an alternative to the T-50 or an easy front-line analogue, although they had experience with MiG 1.44 MFIs. long before the T-50
    One day at the final banquet of one of the conferences, a toast was raised by one of the MiG employees.
    Taking a deep breath, he sadly said that “unfortunately we were not allowed to make a 5th generation aircraft, although we were ready,” then he took another deep breath, smiled and continued more optimistically
    "... that means we will create immediately 6th ...".
    Alternatives are always needed, it’s not only the “tone” for various design bureaus, but also the crystallization of truly thoughtful and competent solutions. Monopoly is very relaxing.
  15. Pvi1206 6 May 2020 09: 46 New
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    When two independent developers solve one problem, it gives an incomparably greater effect in the end ... this was the case in the USSR ... several aviation design bureaus and missile ones too ...
  16. Aviator_ 6 May 2020 10: 03 New
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    And what does the photo of an old dvigun with a centrifugal compressor used to clear the runway have to do with it?
  17. U-58 6 May 2020 10: 48 New
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    The situation is banal and paradoxical at the same time.
    The question is what and how they can order.
    If the plane is easier than the SU-35/57, then the leadership of the UAC, which are the natives of Sukhoi, will quickly introduce what kind of SU-31.
    But if MiG is ordered, then the glorious company of Mikoyan and Gurevich will finally get the opportunity to raise his head and work at full height.
  18. 123456789 6 May 2020 11: 27 New
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    Quote: Victor_B
    The day before yesterday we were experts in the oil industry, yesterday - virologists, and today I discovered that I am an outstanding specialist in the design of fighter jets!


    Ostap suffered
  19. mlad 6 May 2020 11: 52 New
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    In addition to the SU-57, Russia needs a light fighter with one engine, lighter and cheaper, why not put a 2-stage engine?
    1. Cyril G ... 6 May 2020 12: 18 New
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      All right. It should be about half of the Su-57. Single-engine with a product of 30, cheaper, ground primarily for work on the ground. Cheaper, both at purchase, and operation. But not that trying to strike RSK
      1. mlad 6 May 2020 13: 16 New
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        You can speculate why it does not work easy. These are very heavy and dimensional units, there is no light, but powerful radar, in comparison with foreign ones.
        1. Cyril G ... 6 May 2020 13: 36 New
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          Damn 50 years ago, with the monstrous weight of the then Radio Electronics, With the worst engine, more weight, with heavy and overall CIS, the USSR developed and launched a series of good MiG-23b / 27 fighter bombers in general with an empty weight of 10.5 tons and a maximum weight of 18-20 tons .. The Chinese, with the help of our specialists, have developed and are building a serial fighter bomber J-10, half of the Su-27 on one Al-31 engine. With the same maximum take-off weight. There is a Russian project Su-37 (first) which is a single-engine of the early 90s .... And we can not?
          1. mlad 6 May 2020 16: 05 New
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            Compared to MIG 23, electronics increased significantly, 29 MIGs cannot shove everything I would like, Mig 35 has become no longer an easy fighter
            1. Cyril G ... 6 May 2020 17: 29 New
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              So do not cram in. Once again, does the J-10 example say nothing to you?
              1. mlad 6 May 2020 18: 51 New
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                Saab JAS 39E Gripen here is an example of a small airplane with great potential and is pushed into it quite a lot
                1. Cyril G ... 6 May 2020 19: 14 New
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                  I'm talking about what is real for us. At Grippen, the motor is significantly weaker than the J-10. However, there is an analogue of Grippen - Thunder, flies on the RD-33.
                  1. mlad 6 May 2020 20: 59 New
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                    Mikoyan about F 16 we would have such an engine, he dreamed of making MIG 29 single-engine
                    1. Cyril G ... 6 May 2020 22: 09 New
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                      There is something wrong with these memories ... MiG-23 and MiG-27 at that time flew without problems, and having a licked design and accident rate they were relatively small in the 80s. Two engine MiG-29 fought then as if not more often as I recall ..
                      And by the way, the Al-31 was more powerful than the F-100 which was screwed onto the F-16 model A
      2. Herman 4223 12 May 2020 16: 11 New
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        All this savings will go to pieces as soon as the first car crashes due to the failure of one engine. The cost of the machine will cover all the benefits that were previously won. Single-engine cars beat a little more often. It’s okay with the piece of iron, but pilots can also suffer.
        1. Cyril G ... 12 May 2020 20: 06 New
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          And is there anything on the twin-engine MiG-29 unified SU engines? Yes, and as if twin-engine engines are also fighting ... Recently, the Su-27 fell into the sea, due to which it is unknown. And before that, after taking off from Khimki, the Su-30SM fell. All fight
          1. Herman 4223 12 May 2020 20: 43 New
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            All fight and there are many reasons, but single-engine more often. One plane per hundred is enough to make it unprofitable.
  20. Vladimir SHajkin 8 May 2020 13: 53 New
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    So tomorrow I’ll drive everyone out to work, the Esperds have gored couches.
    Developments and prototypes are needed because it is the development of technologies, materials and engineering, as well as their behavior and work in real conditions.
  21. Herman 4223 12 May 2020 15: 53 New
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    Initially, it was reported that the LMFS will be equipped with a pair of engines with a thrust of 10 tons each ... ??? Che?, Do not have a bite or something?
    1. Cyril G ... 12 May 2020 20: 07 New
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      Then it is meaningless ..