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Why is the “umbrella” of the air defense missile defense of the airborne forces of Russia and Syria again broken? Hel Haavir raid details on Es Safira

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After a recent attempt to launch a tactical precision missile strike aviation The Israeli Air Force, at a research center near Es Safir (Aleppo governorate), reporters and commentators of numerous domestic military-analytical publications again went all out in search of arguments in favor of Moscow’s likely unilateral withdrawal from Russian-Israeli agreements to prevent incidents in the air space of Syria. They also continued to dream stereotypically and naively about the possibility of giving the Syrian Armed Forces command carte blanche for the use of long-range S-300PMU-2 Favorit air defense systems against Hel Haavir aviation, which went on combat duty as part of combat units of the SAR air defense forces in the fall of 2018.


Meanwhile, given the lack of a proper “response” of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces as a whole and the command of the Russian Air Forces to provocatively barrage the Israeli F-16I “Sufa” squadron in the scanning sector of the 5H62V radar and guidance of the Syrian S-200V air defense system (on the same line of sight as calling at the landing of a radio-electronic / electronic reconnaissance aircraft Il-20M of the Russian Aerospace Forces), which ultimately led to the "friendly fire" of the ZV 5V28M in the Russian car and the death of the crew, it would be extremely naive to believe that the Israeli F-15I Ra`am is a very ordinary raid, F-16I Sufa or the F-35I Adir to another strategically important research center in the Aleppo province will force the Kremlin to radically change the disposition in the observed Russian-Israeli agenda in the direction of its noticeable tightening.

The case when even a network-centric air defense system does not save


And therefore, it is quite obvious that with each passing month these strikes will be more and more sophisticated. Indeed, for example, now, against the background of complete inactivity of the Syrian air defense systems S-300PMU-2, Buk-M2E, S-125 Pechora-2M, as well as the removal of the command of the mixed aviation brigade of the operational assignment of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the ATS (deployed on Aviation Aviation Khmeimim) from the tasks of erecting a layered zone A2 / AD in Syrian aerospace over all areas of the western coast of the Euphrates, the command of the Israeli Air Force significantly expanded the geography of missile and air strikes carried out on the Syrian theater of operations, shifting the launch plan boiling UAB GBU-39 / B SDB, as well as subtle tactical missiles «Delilah-AL» and «Popeye-II» 250-300 km north-east of Anti-Lebanon mountain range (in the border region between the provinces of Hama and Aleppo).

It is logical to assume that in order to reach these launch lines (the descent of the above high-precision weapons from the suspension nodes of Israeli fighters) the flight paths of the latter should lie above the central sections of the Homs province, which have a relatively flat terrain, do not exclude the detection of Israeli fighter aircraft through the surveillance radar of anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems “Shell-C1” and 9C18M1-3 “Kupol” radar detectors Buk-M2E military air defense systems, located mainly on single dispersed hills near mixed-base airfields Neyrab, Zayman and Kvayr a.

And this is not to mention the fact that today the air defense system of the Syrian Arab Republic is partly network-centric unit, where medium / long-range air defense systems of various types deployed near Palmyra, Khanasir and Es-Sukhne are aggregated into a single information space through automated control systems for the mixed anti-aircraft missile brigades Polyana-D4M1, Baikal-1ME, and, possibly, Ranzhir-ME. The latter, however, can in advance receive information on the tactical air situation at low altitude sections of distant approaches from any means of radar reconnaissance (from DRLOiU A-50U aircraft to all-altitude detectors 96L6 VKS of Russia and 30H6E2 illumination radars located on universal 40V6DM towers and having an extended radio range).

Meanwhile, this time, despite the deep penetration of Israeli tactical aircraft into the anti-aircraft zone of restriction and prohibition of access and the maneuver A2 / AD of the Syrian air defense forces (according to informed sources in the defense department of the SAR, Israeli fighters were discovered by DRLO radar operators assigned to the Syrian anti-aircraft missile , at a distance of about 100 km from Es Safir, which means that Israeli pilots no longer even seek to conceal their location by operating at medium altitudes), there were only interceptions of launched tactical ra ket, while the interception of carriers of the WTO has not traditionally been carried out.

This is where the question arises of the appropriateness of deploying such powerful positioned air defense areas of the Russian Air Defense Forces and the transformation of Syrian air defense forces into a network-centric system, when at the geostrategic level (on the same Middle Eastern agenda) our positions remain very shaky, and the observed geopolitical “softness” "To this day does not allow to realize the full range of capabilities of such a complex and far from cheap to maintain anti-air / missile" umbrella ".
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  1. dvina71
    dvina71 7 May 2020 05: 20 New
    +5
    Shoot down Israeli fighters, for Syria means to get another hotbed of war. It’s strange that various kinds of analysts do not understand this ... That is why the Syrians are sitting in a blank defense .. knocking missiles to the maximum .. As long as the SAAs solve problems inside the country, Israeli planes can and will attack Iranian and their proxy targets in Syria .
    1. ssergey1978
      ssergey1978 7 May 2020 05: 27 New
      -20
      Well, surrender if you are afraid to get another opponent having Iran and Russia as an ally. This is from the category of burying aircraft by Iraq, probably they also had an explanation.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 7 May 2020 05: 33 New
        -6
        Quote: ssergey1978
        Well, surrender if you are afraid to get another opponent having Iran and Russia as an ally.

        Are you serious or out of ignorance? Do you need a huge meat grinder with the participation of several countries with nuclear weapons?
        1. ssergey1978
          ssergey1978 7 May 2020 05: 44 New
          -3
          Oh come on, there will be no meat grinder. Russia will not get involved with a high-tech rival, Syria is violet before the bombing of Iran’s forces, Iran is violet to everyone except itself.
          1. saigon
            saigon 7 May 2020 06: 13 New
            28
            It doesn’t reach you or you just don’t understand, everything is stuck in politics and most likely I’m not bothering Russia with small bloodletting to Iran.
            All high-tech Israel solve only in case of conflict with neighboring Arabs.
            Israel does not have one simple thing - depth; Israel has a destructively shallow tactical depth.
            The whole territory is covered with tactical means and this is worth considering.
            1. ssergey1978
              ssergey1978 7 May 2020 06: 19 New
              -15
              I watch you get a lot. The small area of ​​Israel did not help the Arabs.
              1. saigon
                saigon 7 May 2020 06: 30 New
                28
                Read carefully, I said to the Arabs that nothing helps.
                But the level of Israel is only superiority over Arabs and Persians; this is the limit. A more serious rival is mortally dangerous due to its small territory.
                Israel there is just perfect for Russia as a splinter for the Arab countries and Persians.
                Let them hate him there will be no time for ravings about a great Iran.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 7 May 2020 06: 33 New
                  -13
                  Quote: saigon
                  But the level of Israel is only superior to Arabs and Persians

                  and over whom else is needed?
                  do we have to compete with the NATO unit or the United States or Russia?
                  Quote: saigon
                  limit a more serious rival is deadly due to small territory

                  With alpha centaurs or what?
                  You must have beached the coast.
                  Quote: saigon
                  Israel there is just perfect for Russia as a splinter for Arab countries and Persians

                  Ie we type exist because we are ideal for Russia?
                  Strange, we were absolutely not ideal for the USSR and somehow we didn’t feel bad.
                  1. Ros 56
                    Ros 56 7 May 2020 08: 08 New
                    16
                    Well, the Soviet Union and created you, or not in the know?
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 7 May 2020 08: 15 New
                      -16
                      Quote: Ros 56
                      Well, the Soviet Union and created you, or not in the know?

                      created?
                      belay
                      no shit yourself megalomania.
                      how is it?
                      1. ender
                        ender 7 May 2020 08: 21 New
                        -16
                        how is it?


                        apparently, at first they dug up the Mediterranean Sea, and then they created Israel ..
                      2. ser56
                        ser56 7 May 2020 16: 58 New
                        +8
                        Quote: ender
                        Well, then they created Israel ..

                        "The Soviet Union became the first country to recognize the Jewish state in full, de jure, on May 17"
                    2. cniza
                      cniza 7 May 2020 14: 17 New
                      17
                      Quote: atalef
                      Quote: Ros 56
                      Well, the Soviet Union and created you, or not in the know?

                      created?
                      belay
                      no shit yourself megalomania.
                      how is it?


                      The man put it a little incorrectly, but like this:
                      They say they say that they didn’t like Jews in the USSR: they infringed, did not give work, they sent them to Birobidzhan. What about Israel, comrades? Indeed, in fact, an independent Jewish state is the merit of Stalin, which is often forgotten. We tell how it was.

                      It’s a paradox, but today many historians are inclined to consider the Soviet leader an anti-Semite. The Jews themselves probably did not suspect this, because many Israelis had portraits of the Leader in their houses. Nowhere else has the "cult of personality" lasted so long. However, one should not assume that Stalin "gave" such a vast territory to the Jews only out of a sense of sympathy. It was all in the same geopolitics.

                  2. really
                    really 7 May 2020 09: 37 New
                    +2
                    So to claims to the neighbors this is for YOU, why didn’t they inspect, why were they given weapons, didn’t they know that the gun for children was not a toy? wassat
                2. Starshina
                  Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 04 New
                  0
                  There are more and more Arabs and fewer Jews. How is the Chinese saying about an enemy passing by a corpse?
          2. atalef
            atalef 7 May 2020 06: 20 New
            -8
            Quote: saigon
            All high-tech Israel solve only in case of conflict with neighboring Arabs

            well, except for the Arabs, we seem to have no one request
            Excuse us for that. crying
            Quote: saigon
            Israel does not have one simple thing - depth; Israel has a destructively shallow tactical depth.

            Starno and how did this arabrm help in 5 wars?
            Quote: saigon
            The whole territory is covered with tactical means and this is worth considering

            but for some reason it’s not possible to apply them, probably because
            Quote: saigon
            Israel's high technology solves
            1. smart fellow
              smart fellow 7 May 2020 07: 41 New
              -6
              The atomic bombs helped Israel, which they received from France and nuclear scientists from Russia. Egypt immediately went to the world.
              1. atalef
                atalef 7 May 2020 11: 37 New
                0
                Quote: smart fellow
                The atomic bombs helped Israel that they got from France

                Did we get them from France?
                Where did the firewood come from?
                Quote: smart fellow
                and nuclear scientists from Russia

                Seriously ?
                Do you know their names? Can I have one?

                Quote: smart fellow
                Egypt immediately went to the world.

                Egypt went to the world after receiving 4 times in wort and realized that you could not cook porridge with the USSR.
                Therefore, he went over to the United States and concluded a peace treaty.
                Assad was not so smart, so he eats what he eats.
                Unlike him, that Jordan, that Egypt - live quietly, well, maybe of course they’re not particularly happy, but ... everything is relative.
                1. smart fellow
                  smart fellow 7 May 2020 12: 07 New
                  +1
                  The Rothschilds from Paris reported.
                  Jewish nuclear scientists from the USSR.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 7 May 2020 12: 48 New
                    +2
                    Quote: smart fellow
                    The Rothschilds from Paris reported.
                    Jewish nuclear scientists from the USSR.

                    The cores are French, American (Jews participating in the Manhattan project on a private initiative) and local - mostly immigrants from Germany and Austria.
            2. Starshina
              Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 06 New
              0
              High technology will not save you. Time works against you!
      2. blackice
        blackice 7 May 2020 06: 55 New
        +7
        ?
        you need a huge meat grinder with the participation of several countries with nuclear weapons

        That is, can the Jews continue to bomb all who they want?
        I worked for a Russian-Austrian company. The director was Capraz, who, in turn, was present in Egypt during the conflict between Israel and Israel. So, after a couple of shot down Israeli falcons over the zone of responsibility of the ships of the Navy of the USSR, no one flew.
        On the Weapon channel, he later watched a film man on this subject. It turned out the truth.
        Verdict: it does not matter who has nuclear weapons, it is important where anyone has bank accounts.
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 May 2020 07: 01 New
          -20
          Quote: blackice
          That is, can the Jews continue to bomb all who they want?

          otoyo
          Quote: blackice
          I worked for a Russian-Austrian company. The director was there kapraz

          Oh well
          Quote: blackice
          which in turn was present in Egypt during the conflict of that with Israel.

          How many years old, cap-time?
          Quote: blackice
          So, after a couple of shot down Israeli falcons over the zone of responsibility of the ships of the Navy of the USSR, no one flew.

          Seriously ?
          can somehow confirm the fact of the downing
          Or tpa, right to the last word - an anchor to me in ...
          Quote: blackice
          On the Weapon channel, he later watched a film man on this subject. It turned out the truth.

          movie title, sister
          Quote: blackice
          Verdict: it does not matter who has nuclear weapons, it is important where anyone has bank accounts.

          carrot in the banks.
          The storyteller and your verdicts for grandmothers on the bench.
          1. blackice
            blackice 7 May 2020 07: 14 New
            27
            Oh well

            The company "Wolf-Terminal", was part of the group of companies "Wolf-systems"
            How many years old, cap-time?

            It was then over 60. Kapraz retired. In the years described there was a lieutenant
            Seriously ?
            can somehow confirm the fact of the downing
            Or tpa, right to the last word - an anchor to me in ...

            With the same success, can you prove the opposite, like otherwise you can’t get into a point for 100 years?
            movie title, sister

            I do not outline the issue numbers. From the series "Arms of Russia"
            PySy to your guy say "sister."
            carrot in the banks.
            Storyteller and your verdicts for grandmothers on the bench

            Well, yes, the chosen one can afford to take a seat while the older brother is standing behind.
            1. borberd
              borberd 7 May 2020 07: 46 New
              -1
              Read about operation Rimon 20. There, too, as a result of the flights stopped. Only not Israeli. wassat
              The "elder brother" never fought for Israel, unlike the USSR, which not only planned the military operations of the Arabs, but fought against Israel in air defense, tanks and artillery ..
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                    1. atalef
                      atalef 7 May 2020 11: 42 New
                      -6
                      Quote: blackice
                      There was a conversation over the islands and not the state.

                      Well ?
                      it does not change the fact
                      Japan is
                      SSSSR - no


                      Quote: blackice
                      So the question is still open.

                      open, not closed.
                      wink
                      Quote: blackice
                      Well, yes, the Anglo-Saxons are also proud of their victory over tribes from Africa.

                      I don’t know who is proud of what.
                      Someone is proud of the VICTORY over Georgia. Or Afghanistan repeat although they didn’t seem to win there.
                      Someone over the Zulus.
                      Someone over Finland.
                      And someone over the Arabs with their best friend of the USSR.
                      Each has its own victories and its heroes.
                2. ender
                  ender 7 May 2020 08: 33 New
                  +4
                  I remember the moment when the 25th MiG flew over Israel


                  it is worth remembering that for this single flight, Bezhevets received the title of Hero, as for a flight into space
                3. muham
                  muham 7 May 2020 09: 37 New
                  -5
                  Quote: blackice
                  Yeah. I remember the moment when the 25th MiG flew over Israel,
                  It’s flown over, it seems alone, but you won’t tell us about the benefits of that span? Missed 600 km on 2 M so what?
                  1. Elena Zakharova
                    Elena Zakharova 7 May 2020 11: 57 New
                    +5
                    miracle, it was a scout, flew where he wanted, and exactly as much as needed.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 May 2020 12: 53 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Elena Zakharova
                      miracle, it was a scout, flew where he wanted, and exactly as much as needed.

                      In the 63rd and the Americans flew over Israel. They looked for traces of Israel’s preparations for a nuclear strike on Syria due to failures in the early days of the October war
                      They also could not bring down)).
                      High-altitude reconnaissance Israeli air defense shot down only over Beirut in the 82nd, after the modernization of the Hawk air defense system:
                    2. muham
                      muham 7 May 2020 15: 53 New
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      In the 63rd and the Americans flew over Israel. They looked for traces of Israel’s preparations for a nuclear strike on Syria due to failures in the early days of the October war

                      Chegoto is not glued ...
                    3. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 May 2020 16: 44 New
                      -2
                      1973 - I made a mistake in the figure. Poultry. )))
                  2. Elena Zakharova
                    Elena Zakharova 8 May 2020 21: 48 New
                    +1
                    When they write nonsense, I smile))
                    The MiG-25 stopped flying when the Americans brought in a modern air defense system with a strike height of up to 40 km.
                    Write a name or do you get the information you need from Google?
                  3. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 8 May 2020 22: 36 New
                    -1
                    It happened on August 31, 1982. hi Beirut, Lebanon
                  4. Elena Zakharova
                    Elena Zakharova 8 May 2020 23: 13 New
                    -2
                    You don’t know anything, but you’ll get stuck ... vocational school.
                  5. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 8 May 2020 23: 20 New
                    0
                    But where do I get to deep knowledge on the subject of Arab-Israeli conflicts ... lol
              2. muham
                muham 9 May 2020 09: 19 New
                -1
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                When they write nonsense, I smile))

                Got it, sit, write and smile. Personally, I had no doubt about that.
          2. muham
            muham 7 May 2020 15: 49 New
            -5
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            it was a scout, flew where he wanted, and exactly as much as needed.
            Are you sure that mmm, do not fill? As far as we know, he didn’t spin anywhere, but accelerated, and ran at the highest speed. Only after the missiles flew so as not to change their mind. Already then there were satellites who could take photographs much better. That is, the show-off was, of course, but to no avail. And the fact that you deigned to answer this only emphasizes my point.
          3. Elena Zakharova
            Elena Zakharova 8 May 2020 21: 49 New
            0
            Do you have a point?
            I see only Zionist nonsense.
          4. muham
            muham 9 May 2020 19: 21 New
            -1
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            Do you have a point?
            You have levota, chronic, non-passing levota.
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            I see only Zionist nonsense.
            Duck Zionists there, and where the USSR? Not here, and not there. Smile and write.
          5. Elena Zakharova
            Elena Zakharova 9 May 2020 23: 07 New
            0
            All Zionists, without exception, are round and boobies.
          6. borberd
            borberd 12 May 2020 19: 15 New
            -1
            Of course idiots, how come, this is what the great Lenka Zakharova said. In fact, the Zionists restored in the swamps of malaria, a country that had not existed before that for more than 2000 years. Despite its microscopic dimensions, it has become a leader in many industries, despite the hostile environment. What are you personally famous for? Probably his dullness and envy?
    2. Elena Zakharova
      Elena Zakharova 8 May 2020 23: 22 New
      0
      Six around Tel Aviv ... October 13, 1973)))
      Straight parade of the USSR Air Force over Israel))
      Probably you have done so in your pants that you still think that it was a mirage, not a MiG-25.
    3. muham
      muham 9 May 2020 09: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Elena Zakharova
      Six around Tel Aviv
      Why not twelve? Are you aware of the turning radius at that speed? About loss of height when turning at such a height, and lower down.
      Better keep writing and smile at your writing.
    4. Elena Zakharova
      Elena Zakharova 9 May 2020 23: 06 New
      -1
      stupid miracle, google, but don’t bother me with idiotic questions and assumptions))
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 8 May 2020 13: 23 New
    +6
    Not on 2M, on 2,3M
    MIG-25RB - the aircraft not intercepted at that time in Israel’s air defense ... a carrier of tactical nuclear weapons.
    MiG-25RB
    in 1968, it was decided to expand the functions of the aircraft by equipping it with bomber weapons: low vulnerability and the presence of a high-precision navigation system allowed the MiG-25RB to hit ground targets with known geographic coordinates with bombs from altitudes of more than 20 km and at speeds approaching M = 2 around the clock, in any meteorological conditions. The problem of long-range flight at cruising (M = 2,35) speed was successfully solved and speeds M = 2,83 with external-mounted bomber weapons. The high speed of the aircraft reduced the reaction time during operations on targets identified during reconnaissance flights.
    A prototype reconnaissance bomber was created in February 1970 on the basis of the E-155R4 aircraft, called the E-155R4B. His state tests were completed in December 1970, in the same year he was mastered in serial production at the Gorky plant. After a successful military “baptism” in Egypt, the MiG-25RB (and its modifications MiG-25RBK, MiG-25RBS and MiG-25RBV)
    The MiG-25RB was the first in a series of scouts who carried a bomb, including nuclear. To do this, the aircraft was equipped with underwing, and then under the fuselage suspension of 4 bombs of 500 kg caliber. The maximum mass of bombs. The load was 4000 kg (initially - 2000 kg). On 4 beam holders MBDZ-U2 with DZU-1 locks (2 under the fuselage and 1 under the consoles), the aircraft can carry bombs in the following options: 4-8 FOTAB-100-80, 8 FAB-500M-62 or 1 fuselage nuclear bomb


    Demonstration of what will happen if Israel uses atomic weapons in those difficult days, cool the "unreasonable" heads.
    1. muham
      muham 8 May 2020 16: 45 New
      -3
      Yeah, then all the same, do not blink but one and not "it was a scout, flew where he wanted, and exactly as much as needed." I pointed to this, and it turns out he ran there even faster. But do not you tell us where he could get at such a speed and altitude weapons of those days? And another question, so how? Cool down?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 7 May 2020 14: 15 New
    0
    American naval pilots seemed to fly in 73 on their Phantoms under the star of David.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 May 2020 16: 46 New
      0
      Arabian tales. Back in 1967, the Israelis recorded a telephone conversation between Nasser and King Hussein of Jordan, where an Egyptian invited his royal friend to declare the participation of American and English pilots in the Six Day War on the side of Israel. There was a big embarrassment)).
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 7 May 2020 17: 17 New
        +1
        Krasnodar, but under the guise of embarrassment and in the face of heavy aviation losses in 1973, the Americans didn’t need to overtake the Phantoms and Skyhawks with Israel from their aircraft carriers. This is real. But the participation of American pilots of Jewish nationality is a hypothesis, although something on the network skipped to this effect.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 May 2020 17: 27 New
          -1
          Worth nothing. Especially in order to attach Soviet aircraft to the Arabs)).
          Large losses of the Air Force ended with the forcing of the Suez Canal - tanks crushed air defense. There was static in Syria, the only ones working along the Iraq-Syrian border. Therefore, I don’t see what was the point of using the amers, who themselves had just got rid of Vietnam and had no desire to fight for the Jews.
        2. Pavel57
          Pavel57 7 May 2020 17: 38 New
          +3
          Krasnodar,
          To make up for the heavy losses of the United States in several batches, they delivered 24 F-48 and 4 A-30 to Israel until October 4, and another 4 F-4 were delivered later in October.
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 May 2020 17: 50 New
          +2
          Aircraft - yes. And the tanks. And ammunition. More rockets, unloading, and even sleeping bags, which were stolen by almost 90% in warehouses by the Israeli storekeepers)). And a bunch of M-16.
          But the American pilots were not there. hi
        4. Iris
          Iris 7 May 2020 21: 18 New
          +2
          almost 90% stolen in warehouses
          Wow ! How was this possible in Israel - during wartime, to steal 9/10 equipment positions from military depots ?! winked And more, interestingly, nothing was lost?
        5. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 May 2020 21: 20 New
          -2
          Yes, who were interested in sleeping bags during the war? laughing They stole at least one rifle - the deadline, and immediately
        6. Iris
          Iris 7 May 2020 23: 29 New
          0
          So, it was decided: as soon as I was next time with friends in Israel, I’ll make inquiries: is anyone selling an old-style American sleeping bag)))
        7. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 May 2020 23: 31 New
          +1
          Which is 47 years old))
          Sell ​​like antiques - be careful, we are laughing
        8. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 8 May 2020 06: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Iris
          Does anyone sell an old-style American sleeping bag)))

          Just make sure that the F-35 is not wrapped there, and even this will hang on you.
  • atalef
    atalef 7 May 2020 07: 53 New
    -12
    Quote: blackice
    Seriously ?
    can somehow confirm the fact of the downing
    Or tpa, right to the last word - an anchor to me in ...

    With the same success, can you prove the opposite, like otherwise you can’t get into a point for 100 years?

    Remember some rule on Vaud (for adequate people) - if you state something, then you must provide evidence, not the other side, namely you.
    Otherwise, you will simply come across as yap.
    Quote: blackice
    Well, yes, the chosen one can afford to take a seat while the older brother is standing behind.

    t, are you scared of your older brother?
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  • Magadan
    Magadan 11 May 2020 09: 14 New
    +1
    laughing
    Cool you finished this "atalef"! The Soviet education is felt :) Captively, concisely, logically and without unnecessary blah blah blah, all in essence smile
  • Elena Zakharova
    Elena Zakharova 7 May 2020 12: 13 New
    +3
    According to Israeli data, the losses in the six-day war amounted to 46 aircraft (20 on the first day), 28 dead and 13 captured pilots.

    Lebanon war of 1982 - at least 42 LA aircraft were shot down

    Well, etc.
    1. borberd
      borberd 7 May 2020 12: 34 New
      +4
      Not true, in the Lebanon war, Israel lost only one Skyhawk A-4. After June 11 - that is, after the war ended, Israel lost another Kfir and one Phantom. The number 42 aircraft, most likely given by Ilyin, but did not find confirmation in any other source.
      1. Elena Zakharova
        Elena Zakharova 8 May 2020 21: 45 New
        -1
        hmm ...
        Why are you lying?
  • Starshina
    Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 23 New
    0
    Israel is strong until the US hegemon as soon as the US collapses and Israel does not stay long ...
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 20: 05 New
      0
      The history of the Roman Empire tells us that the hegemon collapsed for three hundred years. But in a capitalist society, the dynamics of events are much higher. We will see.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 May 2020 20: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: Starshina
      Israel is strong until the US hegemon as soon as the US collapses and Israel does not stay long ...

      Arabs under the wing of another hegemon managed to blow through all the wars - this is not the roof)).
  • atalef
    atalef 7 May 2020 08: 12 New
    -7
    Quote: blackice
    I worked for a Russian-Austrian company. The director was there kapraz


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    Registration Date December 2, 2002
    Registrar Inspectorate of the Federal Tax Service for the Leninsky District of Vladivostok
    Legal address Primorsky Krai, Nakhodka
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    is this a cap once?
    or maybe the hero has a name. so what would be the battle path laughing
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    2. blackice
      blackice 7 May 2020 08: 54 New
      +9
      ZAO "WOLF-TERMINAL"
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      How do you like this, God's chosen one?
      1. Slavs
        Slavs 7 May 2020 09: 29 New
        +7
        Well, Atalef was immediately not interested in talking with you ... What have you done? )))
      2. atalef
        atalef 7 May 2020 10: 03 New
        -5
        Quote: blackice
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        How do you like this, God's chosen one?

        You do not.
        This does not particularly change the fact that the stories of your hero are only stories.
        Until then, until there is no elementary confirmation,
        The fact of the downing of two aircraft cannot be unnoticed by anyone.
        Therefore, we will return to our sheep.
        Can you confirm?
        And if you can’t, then your comment should look something like this.
        - my boss, former then lieutenant om, argued that ......., I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the information because I couldn’t find any confirmation.
        Then, there will be no questions for you, as well as OBS, so you are still making conclusions on this basis.
        Good luck.
    3. blackice
      blackice 7 May 2020 08: 56 New
      +5
      Name of the hero Dzitiev Yu.V.
  • really
    really 7 May 2020 09: 39 New
    +1
    How old is a veteran?
  • New
    New Year day 7 May 2020 13: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: blackice
    So, after a couple of downed Israeli falcons

    I heard this also back in the 82nd year in the Crimean Navy
  • vik669
    vik669 7 May 2020 12: 17 New
    0
    Are you serious or out of ignorance? Yes, like some countries that have nuclear weapons, this does not bother us, and it seems that we have nuclear weapons and air defense systems.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 7 May 2020 18: 28 New
    0
    Why give up and to whom? Well, the Jews shot at some trifles ... In fact, these raids do not change anything. And Russia’s control over Syria is not threatened. It’s easier not to pay much attention to them, which is done.
    1. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 27 New
      +1
      The prestige of the country fell down quietly by brick ...
  • Snail N9
    Snail N9 7 May 2020 05: 44 New
    11
    Was the attacked research center Iranian or proxy? Israel clearly said they are fighting the Assad regime with which they are at war.
    1. atalef
      atalef 7 May 2020 06: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Snail N9
      Was the attacked research center Iranian or proxy?

      Syrian
    2. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 31 New
      -1
      And since Assad is an ally of Russia, then in fact Israel acts against Russia ...
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 8 May 2020 18: 07 New
        0
        I do not recall anyone's allied contingents during the Chechen wars.
  • AUL
    AUL 7 May 2020 06: 12 New
    11
    Quote: dvina71
    Shoot down Israeli fighters, for Syria means to get one more hotbed of war.
    In what sense is another one? And now what is there?
    there were only interceptions of launched tactical missiles, while the interception of WTO carriers was traditionally not carried out.
    Apparently, someone does not have enough eggs to give an order to work on carriers. But only with whom?
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 7 May 2020 06: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: AUL
      In what sense is another one? And now what is there?

      What is it that you really need to clarify? Well, ok .. There are Kurds .. it seems to be without weapons so far, but supported by the Americans .... in case of even greater complications of the ATS, what will the Kurds do? Will they demolish all the observation posts and about, acts of CAA in the territory they control?
      Viper in Idlib. While the SAA can concentrate its units there, give them air defense for cover ... in general, prepare for the next inflammation of the courage of the militants ..
      Offer to get involved in the war with Israel? Then it is necessary to leave the group in Idlib without a military defense, to be torn to pieces by bayraktars ..
      Recall what happened when the Turkish-backed militants went to cut the M5? On the border with Israel, ISIS re-activated ..
      1. AUL
        AUL 7 May 2020 06: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: dvina71
        What is it that you really need to clarify? Well, OK..

        A lot of right words. Only in them there is no answer to the question posed - and now what is there, not a war?
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 7 May 2020 12: 11 New
          0
          The current conflict is sluggish, if you translate it into a hot phrase, a lot more people will die
    2. atalef
      atalef 7 May 2020 06: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: AUL
      Apparently, someone does not have enough eggs to give an order to work on carriers

      And who shot if shot down IL?
      But what about the statement of the MO that Hel Avir was hiding behind Ilom?
      If they don’t shoot, why should I hide behind? what
    3. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 34 New
      0
      The king has Great and Small and White and other
  • LeonidL
    LeonidL 7 May 2020 06: 40 New
    +5
    While the Israelis carefully beat the Iranians and Hezbollah, it is the Syrians who are not really disturbing and, in general, not hitting the Russians, the Syrian air defense will continue such games, limited to verbal notes and screams .... but without unnecessary gestures. By the way, there is information that Iran is going to leave Syria. Then we'll see.
    1. vik669
      vik669 7 May 2020 12: 23 New
      0
      But isn’t it time to carefully shoot down Israeli fighters outside of Israel based on the fact that if you fought off the house it means wild and with all the consequences ...!
    2. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 36 New
      -2
      Leaving Iran will take up Russia ....
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 7 May 2020 20: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Starshina
        Leaving Iran will take up Russia ....

        when the Iranians leave Russia will be able to announce the end of the mission and also go home. everyone will be happy.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 7 May 2020 07: 46 New
    +4
    Quote: dvina71
    Shoot down Israeli fighters, for Syria means to get another hotbed of war.

    Quote: ssergey1978
    Well, surrender if you are afraid to get another opponent having Iran and Russia as an ally.

    The author, as usual, lists a lot of details, as if he launched missiles in Syria.
    But ... indeed, one more hotbed of war is not needed either by the leadership of the SAR or the Russian Federation.
    And the Russian Federation still does not need the presence of Iran in Syria. Of course, Iran helped in the fight against ISIS and other barmaley. BUT ... this is such a "pro-Russian" state ... Directly "ally" awesome. And his goals with Syria, exactly the same, exactly coincide with the Russian ones. lol
    And the Israeli air strikes, mainly against the Iranians and their proteges ...
    Is this the secret of passivity of air defense?
    1. atalef
      atalef 7 May 2020 11: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Alekseev
      And the Israeli air strikes, mainly against the Iranians and their proteges ...
      Isn't that the secret passivity air defense?

      Syrian? And for whom do they periodically shoot and, according to their claims, shoot down?
      Or are they so cool that they have already learned to distinguish bombs and rockets from carriers?
      Then how did you get into the IL?
    2. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 37 New
      0
      Maybe the whole thing is the curvature of the earth?
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 7 May 2020 22: 19 New
        -1
        Rather, in the curvature of the hands.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 May 2020 12: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: dvina71
    Shoot down Israeli fighters, for Syria means to get another hotbed of war. It’s strange that various kinds of analysts do not understand this ... That is why the Syrians are sitting in a blank defense .. knocking missiles to the maximum .. As long as the SAAs solve problems inside the country, Israeli planes can and will attack Iranian and their proxy targets in Syria .

    In 2018, they shot down an F-16 over Israeli territory.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 7 May 2020 14: 47 New
    +3
    Shoot down Israeli fighters, for Syria means to get another hotbed of war.

    And if Israeli fighters regularly attack targets in Syria, is that not a war, is it?
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 7 May 2020 20: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      And if Israeli fighters regularly attack targets in Syria, is that not a war, is it?

      in principle, yes, but no.
  • avg
    avg 8 May 2020 10: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: dvina71
    Shoot down Israeli fighters, for Syria means to get another hotbed of war. It is strange that various analysts do not understand this ...

    These analysts have already managed to move more familiar to their restless mind.
    geostrategic level ... This is where the question arises of the advisability of deploying such powerful positional areas of the air defense missile defense systems of the Russian air forces and the transformation of the Syrian air defense forces into a network-centric system ...
    It is strange that global conclusions have not yet been drawn from the bogging down of ours, then Turks, or Americans.
  • Magadan
    Magadan 11 May 2020 09: 09 New
    0
    Let's get shame instead of war. And then the war along with shame.
    If our leaders are afraid of confrontation, even after repeatedly getting slammed, then let them ask Iran for protection. Those, unlike ours, were not afraid of American bases in Iraq at the beginning of this year.

    You can safely transfer the Syrian air defense along with the C300 and the Shell under the control of the Iranian command. Those are not afraid of the Israeli planes to blame. If the S-300, of course, Israeli aircraft are able to bring down
  • ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 7 May 2020 05: 23 New
    18
    To dictate conditions in the Middle East, you need eggs, preferably iron. Why Russia is pulling the air defense system there if it’s afraid to use it, it’s even afraid to allow the Syrian to use it, it’s not clear.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 7 May 2020 05: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: ssergey1978
      is not clear.

      answer above.
    2. LeonidL
      LeonidL 7 May 2020 06: 42 New
      -3
      In addition to iron eggs, it is desirable to have brains, I think that both of the leaders of the Russian Federation have plenty. And hysteria to no avail is the lot of the layman of Russia.
      1. blackice
        blackice 7 May 2020 07: 19 New
        +3
        In addition to iron eggs, it is desirable to have brains, I think that both of the leaders of the Russian Federation have plenty

        Which is what we observe. About our military, only the poits did not wipe their feet. sad
        1. borberd
          borberd 7 May 2020 13: 29 New
          +1
          Instead of Syrians, you pledged to fight with all their enemies, carrying hot chestnuts from fire for Iranians and Hezbollons? Or only against Igil on the territory of Syria proper? Your logic is incomprehensible.
    3. vik669
      vik669 7 May 2020 12: 25 New
      +2
      So it’s advisable to have, apart from iron eggs, not a wooden head!
    4. borberd
      borberd 7 May 2020 13: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: ssergey1978
      Why Russia is pulling the air defense system there if it’s afraid to use it, it’s even afraid to allow the Syrian to use it, it’s not clear.

      If you allow the Syrians to shoot at Israeli aircraft, then soon you will have to import a new batch of air defense in return for the destroyed one. And this is money, and considerable.
    5. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 39 New
      0
      The right question. Bravo!
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 7 May 2020 05: 33 New
    +9
    Eugene hi the bird is visible on the flight, and you according to your style of narration! And yet, the main reason for the silence of the air defense system is precisely in the naive hope of the Kremlin that the Jews will limit their aggressiveness, although if the C300 was brought to Syria, why? You need to shoot down totally Israeli planes, and their pilots have genetics that are not iron. As soon as a dozen “we’ll land forever”, the Kremlin will break into a tearful tear of crying, that’s why it will be necessary to put it tightly in place! In the meantime, the C300 is there just for furniture, you have to put it. ..
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 7 May 2020 05: 43 New
      -7
      Quote: Thrifty
      It is necessary to shoot down totally Israeli planes

      For this Nada more than 100% justification. The Israelis are blocking their actions, explaining that they’re attacking not Syria, but Iran’s objects on its territory. True, they do not fly into the territory of Syria, and this would give the missing interest for an attack by Syrian air defense aircraft.
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 05: 58 New
        +3
        So after all, the latter (or, as some people like to say, “extreme”) targets were attacked from Syrian airspace.
      2. Usher
        Usher 7 May 2020 07: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: dvina71
        Quote: Thrifty
        It is necessary to shoot down totally Israeli planes

        For this Nada more than 100% justification. The Israelis are blocking their actions, explaining that they’re attacking not Syria, but Iran’s objects on its territory. True, they do not fly into the territory of Syria, and this would give the missing interest for an attack by Syrian air defense aircraft.

        Well, let them bomb Iran? And where is Syria?
        1. vik669
          vik669 7 May 2020 12: 28 New
          +1
          It’s interesting, but whose objects on the territory of Israel are there that you need ...! But if you search, then there are certainly!
      3. blackice
        blackice 7 May 2020 07: 22 New
        +1
        For this Nada more than 100% justification. The Israelis are blocking their actions, explaining that they’re attacking not Syria, but Iran’s objects on its territory.

        Interestingly, for striped this version would have gone for a ride?
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 7 May 2020 06: 09 New
      +5
      I think they’re just afraid to shoot down, because Jews and Syrian and Russian bases, airfields and everything else are mixed with sand with bombs and missiles.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 7 May 2020 06: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Pessimist22
        and everything else mixed with sand with bombs and rockets

        Yeah ... already mixed. 82kr ... in a salvo ..
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 May 2020 06: 43 New
          -2
          Quote: dvina71
          Quote: Pessimist22
          and everything else mixed with sand with bombs and rockets

          Yeah ... already mixed. 82kr ... in a salvo ..

          only this was again the statement of SAN that they shot down - they didn’t give any evidence, they didn’t show the debris of the downed axes.
          In contrast to the United States and Israel, which showed satellite photos in which the number of funnels on the affected objects was strange, it fell to the number of axes 60 -1 (minus one) that the roofing felts went astray, the roofing felts were knocked down - but this was voiced by the Pentagon.
          Another strike by a coalition of 103 KR. no fact was presented about the downing of at least one rocket
          1. Pytnik
            Pytnik 7 May 2020 07: 13 New
            +3
            Of course, they didn’t tell you about it in the West, but we showed everything on TV perfectly, and didn’t they forget in February 2018, 10?
            1. atalef
              atalef 7 May 2020 12: 04 New
              +1
              Quote: Pytnik
              Yes, even in 2018 February 10 did not forget?

              Of course I remember, this is my birthday and the day of Pushkin's death, and the next day is my wife’s birthday.
              Well, how to forget such a day laughing
              1. Pytnik
                Pytnik 7 May 2020 12: 45 New
                +2
                then I will send a photo a gift on this day, so as not to be forgotten wink
                laughing
                1. borberd
                  borberd 7 May 2020 14: 36 New
                  0
                  The pilots are alive, and the iron has long been replaced. It cost the Syrians several divisions destroyed by the S-200 and S-75. And the battery that shot down the F-16 accidentally ran into roadside mines. It happens .
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 16: 12 New
            +1
            Why lie? When 59 KR hit the Syrian air base Al-Shchairat, the American photo clearly shows no more than 40-45 funnels and holes in the hangars, which is why some individuals came up with some sort of shob, supposedly some of the rockets flew into the old hole. Here you have the number of 40-45 hits.
            With the second strike, it’s much funnier - 103 missiles are declared in the strike, 6-8 missiles hit the second target in the photo, and allegedly 80 hits in the buildings of the "science center" are claimed. It’s not funny for yourself? There was a Toyota High under the ramp in my opinion, so it was crushed a little, even the whole glass. Yeah 80 hits. From strength 20-30. And then the press conference was where a bunch of fragments of missiles were shown. Not a single fact, huh?
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 May 2020 12: 59 New
          0
          Quote: dvina71
          Quote: Pessimist22
          and everything else mixed with sand with bombs and rockets

          Yeah ... already mixed. 82kr ... in a salvo ..

          Mixed for a day - Medvedka operation
      2. vik669
        vik669 7 May 2020 12: 31 New
        +1
        Yes, in Israel, sand is no less so ...! The point is not iron among the Jews!
      3. Same lech
        Same lech 7 May 2020 14: 50 New
        0
        Jews and Syrian and Russian bases, airfields and everything else mixed with sand with bombs and missiles.

        Wow, we are so strong and courageous that the Russian army is not scary ... I can hardly imagine how the IDF decides to attack the Russian Air Force.
        1. muham
          muham 7 May 2020 15: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: The same Lech
          I can hardly imagine how the IDF decides to attack the Russian Air Force.

          So that was it?
      4. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 19: 21 New
        0
        And what are we fighting with Israel? Here is Syria de jure at war, as I recall.
    3. atalef
      atalef 7 May 2020 06: 24 New
      -11
      Quote: Thrifty
      Eugene bird can be seen on the flight, and you according to your style of narration! And yet, the main reason for the silence of the air defense system is precisely in the naive hope of the Kremlin that the Jews will limit their aggressiveness, although if the C300 was brought to Syria, why?

      Have you brought the beeches?
      In the owl, they said that there would not be a temptation to fly over Syrian territory.
      after
      2006 g
      Israeli Air Force planes flew over Wednesday the palace of the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the city of Latakia, told RIA Novosti in the press service of the Israeli army.
    4. really
      really 7 May 2020 09: 48 New
      +3
      If they were not iron, they would not fly.
    5. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 41 New
      +1
      Maybe the S-300 has furniture?
  • atalef
    atalef 7 May 2020 05: 34 New
    +7
    Damantsev he is - a lot of bukaff, names and codes, but I did not see the essence and analysis - sorry.
    It seems that Hel Avir fly at all without bothering to some sort of opposition to air defense and did not take any measures to suppress or deceive it, and Syrian air defense, what about it?
    Many abstruse terms and abbreviations, but the meaning and essence of zero.
    The article is frankly weak.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 7 May 2020 05: 46 New
      -3
      Quote: atalef
      It seems that Hel Avir fly at all without bothering to some kind of opposition to air defense and did not take any measures to suppress or deceive him, and Syrian air defense, what about him

      I would like to wish you .. Bother more, use modern means of destruction ..
      Where else will our anti-aircraft gunners get such an experience ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 7 May 2020 05: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: dvina71
        Where else will our anti-aircraft gunners get such an experience ...

        sneaking up "on missiles", airplanes will not be a problem. so experience is priceless.
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 May 2020 06: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Dead Day
          Quote: dvina71
          Where else will our anti-aircraft gunners get such an experience ...

          sneaking up "on missiles", airplanes will not be a problem. so experience is priceless.

          Taking up wink
          This is a standard message of dignity - missiles are intercepted --- substantial damage was inflicted on objects laughing
          Why did you decide that they were trained?
          Second, if they do not shoot at airplanes, how did you manage to fill up the Russian IL?
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 7 May 2020 05: 51 New
    +4
    Another material about the "invincible" army of Israel !!! But the author also understands that Israeli aviation does not fly under the cover of super-duper technology, but under the political cover ... There is little military in delivering Israeli attacks on Syria, there is more politics there. So, dear citizens of Israel, remember that first of all you exist thanks to your politicians, and not to the military (unlike Russia) !!!
    1. really
      really 7 May 2020 06: 12 New
      11
      So the Jews proved that good politicians and good soldiers, because the war is a continuation of politics. Although it would be better without war.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 7 May 2020 07: 27 New
        +7
        Dear Mikhail, any nation has smart politicians and good soldiers! As for the "Jews proved ...", I remembered May 1985 and the answer of a Jew of the Great Patriotic War, with military decorations, to his young fellow tribesmen who were about to "run away from Soviet oppression" to Israel, about the Holocaust: "Why did I take in the hands of arms and went to protect his people from the Nazis, and many Jews relied on the mercy of Hitler? " These are soldiers ... But there are no good politicians ... but this is my personal opinion)))
        1. really
          really 7 May 2020 09: 53 New
          +7
          Thank you for your support, because here many believe that the Jews did not fight. I won’t argue about politicians, because you rarely see a professional there either. drinks
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 16: 26 New
            +2
            Jews awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union more than deserve it.
            Dragunsky, Bogorad, Levitan (pilot), Fisanovich, Gopnik, Kunnikov, Krivoshein, Golberg, Rivkin, Sverdlov and many others. There are sailors, pilots, tactical men and infantrymen ...
            8 Jews became the heroes of Russia. 2 pilots, 6 scouts
        2. atalef
          atalef 7 May 2020 12: 02 New
          -2
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          then I remembered May 1985 and the answer of a Jew who participated in the Great Patriotic War, with military decorations, to his young fellow tribesmen who had gathered to "run away from Soviet oppression" to Israel

          in 1985, the exit was closed and I doubt very much that he was applying.

          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          "Why did I take up arms and go to protect my people from the Nazis, and many Jews relied on Hitler's mercy?

          What kind of nonsense?
          About the Holocaust (first of all) in the USSR they did not know at least until 1944 and he never recognized official propaganda.
          At a time when the death camps between the USSR and Germany were already operating in Germany, there was a friendship treaty and a trade agreement.
          Therefore, a conversation (more precisely, his statement) of the type he went to defend his people (if he meant the Jews) is simply questionable.
          Then, about - hoped for the mercy of Hitler. Nobody hoped for this mercy - it was a civilian population and in no way could they resist the repressive Nazi machine.
          I remind you of 1937 and other purges of Stalin.
          When many hundreds of thousands of innocent people and entire nations ended up in camps.
          Do you know many cases of armed struggle with this?
          In my opinion, the whole country shouted approval and death to the enemies of the people, and in Germany.
          Jewish citizens were simply taken out and killed.



          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          .A good politicians do not exist ... but this is my personal opinion)))

          politicians are different.
          And the great among them are the same.
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 7 May 2020 12: 14 New
            +6
            You are a strange person. You have all liars and only you are the truth in all instances ...))) How old are you if you communicate with people having a psychological development of the level of a teenager ????
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 16: 35 New
            +4
            No need to wag the tongue that everyone was innocent. In 1937 there was a place to be a relapse of the civil war.
            And there was enough personnel of your nationality for yourself in the Cheka-OGPU-NKVD. Starting with the People's Commissar Yagoda, Agranov, Leplevsky, Simkhovich, Kaminsky, Blat, Reichman and many many others
    2. atalef
      atalef 7 May 2020 06: 15 New
      -15
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      So, dear citizens of Israel, remember that in the first place you exist thanks to your politicians, not military

      One wants to sing about the Syrian army - invincible and legendary, but politicians betrayed it laughing
    3. atalef
      atalef 7 May 2020 06: 30 New
      -15
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      Another material about the "invincible" army of Israel!

      invincible, sorry.
      maybe no one has won yet. wink
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      But the author also understands that Israeli aviation does not fly under the guise of super-duper technology, but under political cover.

      Seriously ? will you give any arguments? or so, simply because everything is Buki, shell, s-300, etc. etc. --- not having any analogues in the world and the best light?
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 7 May 2020 07: 07 New
        11
        Dear Alexander! Fortunately, the army of the STATE of ISRAEL did not have to fight with a very serious opponent, but the Israeli army did not show itself in any way (except for the "flea" bites from the Israeli Air Force or special services). This is the first. Second - there is no perfect weapon !!!! But not perfect sometimes hurts very painfully, and it is good that the Israeli Air Force and the Russian Air Defense did not clash in Syria in battle ... and this is thanks to politicians !!! Or do you disagree with me? If orders are given to Russian air defense and missile units, then Israel may lose its aircraft altogether. And all of Israel, which has no analogues in the world and the best light, domes, fists, etc. will not help .... So, as Leopold the cat says in Russian: "Guys! Let's live together!"
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 May 2020 07: 25 New
          -10
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          Dear Alexander! Fortunately, the army of the STATE of ISRAEL did not have to fight a very serious enemy

          It’s so good that we share one happiness in two.
          Fortunately, Russia did not have to fight a very serious enemy.
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          but with a stronger opponent - Iran, the Israeli army did not show itself in any way

          Well, for this, at least, the Iranian army must manifest itself.
          And then we bomb them - bomb them. and they are somehow silent, silent
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          not counting "flea" bites from the Israeli Air Force or special services)

          weird. we respond to all bites. Yes to fleas, but Iran is not like. because Proud laughing
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          This is the first.

          your dead is the first. weak and unproven.
          And now the answer
          The IDF fought with a serious enemy, an order of magnitude more equipped, an order of magnitude more numerical. without strategic depth.
          Read the aspect ratio in wars and ... try to understand what you read.
          As for Iran, we don’t have a common border for the armies to converge, but we will bomb Iran in Syria regularly and eventually squeeze it out.
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          . The second - there is no perfect weapon !!

          I hope this is relevant in general to all countries.
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          But not perfect sometimes it hurts very painfully

          And?
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          that the Israeli Air Force and Russian Air Defense did not collide in Syria in battle

          good for whom?
          And how do you know that this is good only for us?
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          and this is thanks to politicians !!

          this is thanks to the realities.
          We bomb - because we can.
          But Russia does not crawl into this not because. that she likes it. I'm sure no one likes it.
          but because the separation of forces is such. that it’s more profitable for Russia not to climb. than to climb.
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          Or do you disagree with me?

          I do not agree.
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          If orders are given to Russian air defense and missile units, then Israel may lose its aircraft altogether

          Or the Syrian group the entire air defense. wink

          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          And all of Israel, which has no analogues in the world and the best illumination of the dome, fists, etc. will not help ...

          Well, the situation today is that MISSILE DOMES DAMAGE
          And here are the beeches. PANISHIRI. S-300 AND ALL OTHER air defense of Syria successfully shot down only IL.
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          So as the cat Leopold says in Russian: "Guys! Let's live together!"

          Well, we didn’t seem to quarrel, so we are bombing in Syria. and Russia is silent.
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 7 May 2020 07: 42 New
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            Dear Alexander, I am impressed by your Israeli cheers-patriotism))) But besides cheers-patriotism, a person should have a mind (just do not be offended, because in my understanding these are different "things") .... I remember well the reason why Israel left the Sinai Peninsula, and how do you in Israel talk about this "victory"? By the way, all your Israeli victories over the Arabs are on the same level as Russia's victory over Georgia in 2008)))
            1. really
              really 7 May 2020 08: 10 New
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              You are wrong, because the ratio of the population was the opposite, plus Egypt helped the USSR with technology, advisers and air defense calculations. And each time it was a heavy war with losses, it was never an easy walk.
            2. atalef
              atalef 7 May 2020 08: 40 New
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              Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
              Dear Alexander, I am impressed by your Israeli cheers-patriotism))

              Vitaliy - cheers patriotism - you. I have realism.
              Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
              But besides cheers-patriotism, a person should have a mind

              That's for sure . therefore, I always write about the facts that have a place to be (that is, they happened now or were in the past with corresponding links to the info). and you

              Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
              If orders are given to Russian air defense and missile units, then Israel may lose its aircraft altogether. And all of Israel, which has no analogues in the world and the best illumination of the dome, fists, etc. will not help.


              Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
              I well remember the reason why Israel left the Sinai Peninsula, and how do you in Israel talk about this "victory"?

              We have nothing to tell. Egypt lost the Sinai during the 1956 war and was unable to recover it during the Doomsday War. despite the help of the USSR and the simultaneous blow from Syria as well.
              Only the threat of the USSR stopped the tanks of Sharon ё100 km from Cairo.

              He was returned to Egypt following the signing of a peace treaty.
              What is the problem ?
              we needed the Sinai only as a guarantor of strategic depth while protecting against Egypt. after the signing of the peace treaty, the need for it disappeared.
              Do you have another version? voice.


              Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
              By the way, all your Israeli victories over the Arabs are on the same level as Russia's victory over Georgia in 2008)))

              Of course . You are like a former military man (although I do not see academies ending up 0 then you probably would have been able to go through the primary sources and at least compare the number of military personnel and armaments on both sides / and then draw parallels.

              or were you not taught to analyze such elementary things?
              Although, if you think that the Georgian army was so much superior to the Russian. then yes . on the same level. laughing
              1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                Vitaly Tsymbal 7 May 2020 09: 51 New
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                Do you know how and with what the Russian army entered Georgia (not according to statistics, but really)? So I’m not talking about statistics, but about people ... So here I bring you the following line: The brave Georgians fled ... Familiar? So replace the word Georgians with the word Arab - the meaning does not change. I had to study the Arab-Israeli wars, so I will unequivocally note that the Israeli soldiers and civilians were strongly motivated to win, but the Arabs did not. In 2008, Russian soldiers were motivated to win, but Georgians didn’t. Or am I wrong? By the way, the Georgian Saakashvili hoped that the whole NATA would get involved for him, so count the NATO army and the Russian army. Then prove with numbers, and then how your fellow like someone else's - so repeat And by the way, if there is a need to strike the Russian Federation against Israel (I hope this will never happen), then this strike will not be caused by a group of forces in Syria ... or do you think we are for ""?))))
                1. atalef
                  atalef 7 May 2020 11: 29 New
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                  Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
                  Do you know how and with what the Russian army entered Georgia (not according to statistics, but really)?

                  really comparing the military potential of Georgia and Russia is not just ridiculous, but very funny.
                  Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
                  The brave Georgians fled ... Familiar? So replace the word Georgians with the word Arab - the meaning does not change

                  meaning may not change. but to compare potentials - belay
                  Russia and Georgia, and to argue that Georgia was higher is tin
                  Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
                  In 2008, Russian soldiers were motivated to win, but Georgians didn’t. Or am I wrong?

                  I do not know . I think the Georgians did not think that Russia would fit in this way.
                  otherwise they would not have climbed
                  Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
                  By the way, the Georgian Saakashvili hoped that the whole NATA would get involved in it,

                  Why did it happen ?
                  Georgia to NATO?
                  Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
                  And by the way, if there is a need to strike the Russian Federation against Israel (I hope that this will never happen), then this strike will not be caused by a group of forces in Syria ... or do you think we are for ""?

                  so we are not id ... that would spoil relations with Russia.
                  Wash all the last few years, one thing is clear.
                  We have excellent relations and mutual understanding with the Russian Federation, so we do what we do.
                  1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                    Vitaly Tsymbal 7 May 2020 12: 21 New
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                    You are not at all aware of what was in real reality, and not in vertical)) - this is about 2008.
            3. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 May 2020 13: 19 New
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              laughing Only the balance of power was slightly different - the Arabs had more superiority in manpower and technique than Russia had over Georgia. And the scale is different - in 1973 - the Syrian attack on the Golan - 1000 tanks (did Georgia have that much in 2008?). The attack of the Egyptians in Sinai is about the same. I am already silent about the number of Arab armies. And heaps of instructors from Big Brother too. Israeli radio intercepts in Russian 67-73. (I quote from memory) "where do Black shoot?". black ran. Etc.
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 16: 40 New
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            Fortunately, Russia did not have to fight a very serious enemy.


            Russia had to fight a very serious adversary, not even your sandbox

            And here are the beeches. PANISHIRI. S-300 AND ALL OTHER air defense of Syria successfully shot down only IL.


            Did you prefer to forget about the F-16? Understand. About the leaky wreckage of rockets, the air surface will not even talk. They don’t show you.
        2. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 7 May 2020 09: 07 New
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          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          So as the cat Leopold says in Russian: "Guys! Let's live together!"

          I apologize and put in my five cents.
          That phrase that I quoted is the most correct in everything that you wrote.
          And judging by what is happening, the leaders of our countries adhere to it.
          Well, everything else is all from your young age and you did not live in the USSR.
          With all the patriotic attitude towards your country, you cannot compare the potential of modern Russia and the USSR.
          Since 1960, the USSR supplied Egypt and Syria not only the most modern weapons at that time, but also instructors and pilots and air defense with officers.
          And all this was destroyed.
          Last time it was in 1982, the operation of the Bear. Israel destroyed all the air defense and aviation of Syria, together with Soviet instructors.
          You can read all this.
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          If orders are given to Russian air defense and missile units, then Israel may lose its aircraft altogether.

          And here you are very mistaken.
          The air defense that exists in Syria can bring down 2-3 aircraft, well, then it simply ceases to exist i.e. will be equal to 0.
          Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
          but with a stronger opponent - Iran, the Israeli army did not show itself in any way

          The word "strong" is greatly exaggerated.
          Iran, yes, is an adversary who constantly threatens the destruction of Israel, but at this stage it is a simple air shock.
          He plans, following the example of Hizbullah in Lebanon, to arrange this in Syria, to carry out nuclear weapons, and only then to launch an attack from all sides. But he will have neither bases in Syria nor nuclear weapons.
          And in his current situation he is not up to it.
          Any questions?
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 7 May 2020 10: 17 New
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            I apologize for inserting my 5 kopecks))) I didn’t hear about the Medvedka operation as a result of which all air defense with Soviet instructors was destroyed, probably because I was already in Afghanistan, and there were important “topics” for the lieutenant))) ) But nothing, I’ll ask a schoolmate. He served as the 82nd in Syria.
            And this is from the history when the Soviet air defense entered into battle with the Israeli Air Force with Soviet soldiers and officers ...
            In January 1983, transports with Soviet combat line units arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus. Among them are two anti-aircraft missile regiments of air defense equipped with S-200 long-range air defense systems. One of them is located near the city of Homs, covering Northwest Syria from air strikes. The second is located 30 kilometers south of Damascus. The unfolding battle order of the Soviet 220th ZRP covered the capital's oasis. By order of the President of Syria, the regiment launched one rocket and shot down over the Mediterranean Sea, at a distance of 196 km, the Israeli Hawkai air command post. Before, the Syrians sent groups of fifty to seventy aircraft to carry out this task, but to no avail. Each "Hawkai" in flight was covered by two Israeli regiments F – 15, F-16. And then defeat with a shot and one missile. This chilled the fervor of the Israelites. They were afraid of possible losses and believed that American aviation would enter the battle with the Soviet battle linear regiments of air defense, but they miscalculated.
            As the saying goes - no comment)))) and finally: if there is a need to strike the Russian Federation against Israel (I hope that this will never happen), then this strike will not be caused by a group of forces in Syria ... or do you think we ... ?)))) Thank you for considering me young !!!!
            1. atalef
              atalef 7 May 2020 12: 20 New
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              Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
              In January 1983, transports with Soviet combat line units arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus. Among them are two anti-aircraft missile regiments of air defense equipped with S-200 long-range air defense systems. One of them is located near the city of Homs, covering Northwest Syria from air strikes. The second is located 30 kilometers south of Damascus. The unfolding battle order of the Soviet 220th ZRP covered the capital's oasis. By order of the President of Syria, the regiment launched one rocket and shot down over the Mediterranean Sea, at a distance of 196 km, the Israeli Hawkai air command post. Before, the Syrians sent groups of fifty to seventy aircraft to carry out this task, but to no avail. Each "Hawkai" in flight was covered by two Israeli regiments F – 15, F-16. And then defeat with a shot and one missile. This chilled the fervor of the Israelites. They were afraid of possible losses and believed that American aviation would enter the battle with the Soviet battle linear regiments of air defense, but they miscalculated.

              Of course, I will powder the date of the downing, and even more so as it was Hokai.
              But I will not strain, read
              September 1983 - The S-200 air defense system with a Soviet design (220th regiment), stationed in Syria, shot down the Hokkai E-2C.

              I will dwell on this story in more detail. The lack of an exact date for such an extraordinary event is already surprising. In addition, if some sources directly say that Hokkai was Israeli (“History of the Israeli Air Force”, p. 258-259; “Russia (USSR) in local wars and military conflicts of the second half of the twentieth century,” p. 211), it’s not clear from others (article “MiG-23 in Lebanon”; “MiG-23, Mirage F-1, Wiggen. Third-generation fighters”, p. 132). It is worth noting that in September-November 1983. the bases of the Druze and other militants in Lebanon were bombed by the French, and from 04.12.83/5/6 - and American carrier-based aircraft. According to Syria, its air defense systems were shot down by 3 A-14E Intruder, 10 F-1 Tomket (shot down by the army Osa-AK and Strela-2 air defense systems), 258 Phantom and 296 Super Etandar (" History of the Israeli Air Force ”, p. 23;“ Combat aircraft of foreign countries, ”p. 14; the article“ MiG-6 in Lebanon ”says:“ During this period, the Syrian army air defense shot down nine American F-200A Tomcat aircraft and the A-170E Intruder, as well as two French Super Etandars, and Soviet S-2 air defense missile systems destroyed an E-XNUMXC Hawkai aircraft and three American unmanned Fireby reconnaissance aircraft at a distance of about XNUMX km.).).

              Since the Hokay E-2C also refers to carrier-based aircraft, it is possible that it was American (incidentally, in the article “Israeli Air Force E-2C Hawkeye”, the downed plane was called Israeli, but the time was December 1983, i.e. when US Navy bombed in Lebanon). On the other hand, the United States recognized the loss (04.12.83) of one A-6 Intruder and one A-7 Corsair (Fighters over Israel, p. 182). Another “Intruder” and one French “Super Etandar” were damaged, but were able to return to aircraft carriers. And what kind of E-2C is not talking.

              about Israel
              It is officially stated that 4 Hokai were delivered to Israel, at least there are no other figures in open sources.
              in 2002, Israel sold (?) to Mexico 3 of them.

              Air Forces Monthly, Sept 2002:
              "In 2002, Israel sold Mexico three Grumman E-2C Daya airborne early warning aircraft"

              Another one exhibited long before 2002 at the Hatzerim Museum. It can hardly be assumed that one of the cars proposed to Mexico is the same museum exhibit that has stood at least Beer Shevsky sun for at least 7 (or maybe more) years.

              http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/israel/sqns/192sqn.htm
              So which of them was shot down in 1983?
            2. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 7 May 2020 13: 31 New
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              Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
              Thank you for considering me young !!!!

              You are welcome!
              Only on the basis that the USSR participated in three wars and received a complete defeat, but you do not know how.
              Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
              By order of the President of Syria, the regiment launched one rocket and shot down over the Mediterranean Sea, at a distance of 196 km, the Israeli Hawkai air command post.

              And I read about it, but this information is doubtful, there is no confirmation since it is based only on Syrian media reports, not one foreign source did not report.
              The neutral zone begins after 22 km i.e. he was shot down on neutral territory. During these years, Israel did not conduct any military operations. And there was no response. AND DO YOU BELIEVE IT IN YOURSELF?
              https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/s-200-ops.htm
              After the defeat of the Syrian air defense in the Bekaa Valley (Libya) in Syria, four S-200 air defense systems were deployed, deployed 40 kilometers east of Damascus and in the north-east of the country. Initially, the complexes were serviced by Soviet calculations, and in 1985 year they were transferred to the command of air defense of Syria. According to some reports, the Syrian S-200 shot down the Israeli E-2C Hawkeye.
              Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
              and finally: if there will be a need to strike the Russian Federation against Israel (I hope that this will never happen)

              Let's hope so. on this end life on planet Earth.
              1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                Vitaly Tsymbal 7 May 2020 14: 21 New
                +1
                the USSR participated in three wars and was completely defeated, but you do not know how.

                And here, in more detail, please))) what kind of war did the USSR wage against Israel and on its territory? The fact that today many former Jews from the USSR "occupied" the lands of Israel I heard, but there is no Soviet-Israeli war))) ... Following your logic, the United States and England could not defeat Israel in the 1949 war, when these countries helped helped Arabs, and the USSR a new Israel .... well, heroes, well, invincible)))) There is no army more victorious in the world than the army of the state of Israel))) You at least do not get carried away with self-praise, otherwise bad thoughts come to my mind! !!!
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 7 May 2020 15: 42 New
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                  Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
                  And here, in more detail, please))) what kind of war did the USSR wage against Israel and on its territory?


                  1967 year
                  Soviet weapons were represented by tanks T-54 and T-55, light amphibious tanks PT-76, helicopters MI-4, Mi-6 and Mi-8, as well as aircraft MiG-21, MiG-19, MiG-17, Su- 7, Tu-16 and IL-28.
                  The basis of the future Egyptian air defenses should have been made up of various 18-th special anti-aircraft missile division brigades. 13 January 1970 of the year issued an order for its formation and combat coordination. The assigned division commanders received personnel and equipment and were sent to the landfills in Ashuluk and Yangalzh for combat shooting at low-flying targets.
                  The 18 division included:
                  —1-I ZRBr (559 ZRP), commander Col. B. I. Zhayvoronok;
                  —2-I ZRBr (582 SFR), commander Lieutenant Colonel N. A. Rudenko;
                  —3-I ZRBr (564 SFR) commander Major V. A. Belousov;
                  —4-I ZRBr, commander Colonel Shumilov (already in Egypt, the brigade was reduced to one division, which made it possible to increase the number of divisions in the other brigades to 8).
                  Under the command of the division commander, Major General A. G. Smirnov, there were 24 anti-aircraft missile battalions, 4 technical divisions, 2 technical batteries, 24 air defense platoons, 3 full and 1 abbreviated Shilok maintenance, tuning and repair department.
                  March 2, 1970 the division began to be sent to Alexandria. The brigades were delivered to the port of Nikolaev and distributed to civilian vessels. For the delivery of the division 16 ships of the merchant fleet were involved. Each vessel took on board 2 S-125 divisions along with equipment and personnel, as well as a certain amount of equipment and personnel of other units. On the upper deck there were only tractors, cars, generators and Shilka (covered with tarpaulin). Personnel and missile launchers were loaded into holds.
                  1973 YEAR
                  Egypt: 650 combat aircraft, 2500 tanks.
                  150 batteries SA-2 (S-75 Dvina air defense systems), SA-3 (S-125 Pechora air defense systems) and SA-6 (air defense systems)
                  Syria: 330 combat aircraft, 2000 tanks.
                  The Soviet air bridge as of October 15 was:
                  - Since October 10, 125 An-12 transport planes took off to Syria; to Egypt - 42 An-12 flights and 16 An-22 flights; to Iraq - 17 An-12 flights.
                  - By sea from October 10, Soviet ships loaded with weapons began to arrive in Latakia.
                  This is not the USSR?
                  The armies of the Arab side lost 368-447 aircraft and helicopters in equipment, 1274 tanks and 500 other armored vehicles were irretrievably lost
                  Losses in people amounted to 8528 killed, 19 549-19 850 wounded and 8424-9370 prisoners
                  During the war years in Egypt, died, died of wounds and diseases 49 Soviet troops. In addition, two officers died in Syria and one general died of the disease.
                  1982 year

                  The disaster in the Bekaa Valley made a shocking impression on the leadership of the USSR. Already in September 1982. In Moscow, a meeting was held in the Central Committee of the CPSU, devoted to the analysis of the battles in Lebanon, where the command of the Soviet Army and the leaders of the military-industrial complex were called to the "carpet". They had to give an answer for the failed readiness of Soviet weapons for a modern war. Then, following the results of this “debriefing,” a decision was adopted by the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR. However, apparently, no proper conclusions were drawn from the disaster in Lebanon ...
                  Brezhnev dismissed: “We gave them the latest equipment, and they again scolded and screamed to save them. We will not fight for them. I’m not going to start a world war because of them.”
                  Continue or will you read historical documents yourself?
                  Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
                  The fact that today many former Jews from the USSR "occupied" the land of Israel, I heard, but there is no talk about the Soviet-Israeli war))).

                  Juggling and Propaganda I DO NOT DO.
                  1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                    Vitaly Tsymbal 7 May 2020 16: 06 New
                    +1
                    The question is about the war waged by the USSR, and not about military-technical assistance to Arab countries. So if they specifically stated
                    the USSR participated in three wars and was completely defeated, but you do not know how.
                    and answer specifically for your words, especially about "total defeat." If I give statistics on the supply of American weapons to Israel’s opponents in 1949 and declare that the United States and Great Britain were completely defeated, smart people will consider me not quite healthy .... but in your country you can say something like that about the USSR (by the way with the support of the USSR, the state of Israel appeared) then this is quite normal .... in this way (about its invincibility) the weak assert themselves !!!!!!! And give me at least one example when a Soviet soldier (simple infantryman) for aggressive purposes entered the territory of Israel, having the order of the Motherland to destroy Zionism in the "inhabited land" ... I ask you not to give emigrants from the USSR who served in the USSR Armed Forces) )))
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 May 2020 17: 46 New
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                      1) The first American arms deliveries to Israel began in 1962, Kenedy, as an exception, allowed Israel to sell the air defense system Hawk))
                      2) The Soviet Union, especially Brezhnev, always opposed the destruction of the state of Israel. 3) However, for the sake of a policy of dominance in the BV - an important region in every sense, Khrushchev and subsequent Soviet governments made a bet on the Arabs - who were uploaded with equipment, trained, instructors and even, as in 69-70 years, in Egypt, CA military contingents . But, once again, never a single Soviet government wanted the destruction of Israel.
      2. Starshina
        Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 48 New
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        The USA is your patron .... Dutch heights return?
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 7 May 2020 21: 09 New
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          Quote: Starshina
          .Dolland Heights?

          We will return. But only to the Dutch. As soon as they demand, we will return it in an instant. hi
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 May 2020 06: 06 New
    +1
    ssergey1978
    ... need eggs, preferably iron.
    Judging by your comments, you have cast-iron. What is easier when sitting at home it is “bold” to smash everyone using the keyboard and at the same time decide for the General Staff what and where to “pull” (about the SAM).
    Regarding the article - Damantsev, he is Damantsev.
    1. Alexey Z
      Alexey Z 8 May 2020 21: 03 New
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      I’d go, but the eggs interfere ...
  • Amateur
    Amateur 7 May 2020 06: 20 New
    +1
    Another verbal diarrhea from Damantsev. How does he know about the political, organizational and technical decisions of the Russian group in Syria, about the agreements of the Russian, Syrian and Iranian leadership on the distribution of responsibility. Israeli aircraft attack Iranian targets in Syrian zones of responsibility. After all, the fact that the zone of responsibility of the Russian air forces is not violated not only by the Israeli, but also by the American air force. Hmeimim is attacked by unknown drones from virtually no territory controlled by anyone. And these attacks are repelled.
    Pouring mud at one’s own air defense and praising the Israeli Air Force is not good.
    1. AUL
      AUL 7 May 2020 06: 44 New
      +8
      Quote: Amateur
      Pouring mud at one’s own air defense and praising the Israeli Air Force is not good.

      This is exactly what I did not see in the article. And I saw a question - why the "own" means of air defense do not work on carriers?
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 7 May 2020 09: 27 New
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        Quote: AUL
        And I saw a question - why the "own" means of air defense do not work on carriers?

        Judging by the Syrian media, they work where and how we know.
        Well, there are no threats to VKS bases, they are silent.
        "Syrian S-300" they are Syrian on paper and everyone understands that at the first launch they will be destroyed, as was the case with others and immediately turn for S-? will be reduced, and some will not repay loans.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 16: 45 New
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          Strange you, and why then at the next launch all the S-125, S-200 Syrians were not destroyed?
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 7 May 2020 17: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Strange you

            Because there was no threat, with every attack, the Israeli Air Force asks the Russian Air Forces to transfer to Syria that the attack on the targets of Xir and Hizbahal and air defense that will operate on airplanes will be destroyed.
            Which was not once.
            That's when everything works, EVERYTHING will be destroyed, and not just the S-125, S-200.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 18: 19 New
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              Repeatedly these are 4 affected objects over the past 3-4 years. PU S-200, SNR S-200, 2 armor damaged to varying degrees? Everything will be destroyed - this is the usual boast. Your army is already far away, not the 1973 army by the way. To destroy everything, this is a completely different level, other victims and different opposition.
              By the way, your Dome is a purely anti-terrorist weapon, which calmly breaks through with a salvo of the military Grad MLRS.
              They did not boast about walking with the army; they boasted while walking with rati.
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 7 May 2020 19: 03 New
                +3
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Repeatedly these are 4 affected objects over the past 3-4 years.

                Count:
                February 10 2018
                12 targets were hit, including three air defense batteries and four Iranian military installations.
                28.05.2019
                As a result of the IDF strike, the positions of Syrian air defense near Kuneitra were destroyed anti-aircraft self-propelled gun ZSU-23-4 "Shilka"
                2019-11-24
                The Israeli Air Force missile strike on the Syrian air defense system was one of the most effective in recent years. As a result of the launch of 40 Delilah cruise missiles, they were destroyed six Syrian air defense systems, and, as the sources indicate, one of them was the Pantsir-S air defense system delivered by Russia.
                2020-02-08
                As a result of the launch of eight air-to-surface missiles, three Syrian air defense systems were destroyed, including the air defense system Shell-S, Buk air defense systems and S-125 air defense systems.
                And this is far from all.
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Your army is already far, not the 1973 army

                And here you are right.
                Is it possible that in 1973, the Israeli Air Force could unhinderedly make more than 400 sorties on the territory of Syria, where there are super modern air defense and destroy
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                They did not boast about walking with the army; they boasted while walking with rati.

                And again you are right
                Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
                “The S-300 is capable of intercepting air attack weapons at ranges of more than 250 km and simultaneously hitting several air targets,” the Complex has high noise immunity and rate of fire, the minister said.
                Supplies to the Syrian troops ACS will provide centralized control of the Syrian air defense, monitoring of the air situation and the rapid issuance of target designations, the statement said Shoigu. He also promised that henceforth in the areas adjacent to Syria over the Mediterranean Sea, radio-electronic suppression of satellite navigation, airborne radars and communications systems for military aircraft attacking targets in Syrian territory will be carried out.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 19: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  Is it possible that in 1973, the Israeli Air Force could unhinderedly make more than 400 sorties on the territory of Syria, where there are super modern air defense and destroy


                  Part of the air defense - I translate into Russian is 4 confirmed defeats are not "battalions" and PU, CHP and 2 armor. If you still have photo confirmation, share it. The rest is unconfirmed applications. And avoid the big letters, otherwise I thought you had a tantrum.
                  By the way, for 400 sorties with firing outside of Syria’s air defense which, in fact, has a focal character, one combat loss is suffered against the country maimed by a civil war. well done cho.

                  Do you understand what the S-125 division ("battalion") is for example? And how much TSA is needed to lose their combat effectiveness?
                  1. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 7 May 2020 19: 32 New
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                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    If you still have photo confirmation,

                    I am not a representative of the IDF
                    If you do not have enough information that all the world media provide, you can contact Mr. German Giltman - Military Attache in Russia.
                    Tel: (495) 660 27 16
                    Tel: (495) 660 27 00 (797)
                    Fax: (495) 660 27 86
                    [email protected]
                    [email protected]
                    And he will receive information that is not enough for you.
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 20: 03 New
                      +1
                      They made fun of me and I don’t put the Russian media at all, will I really take your overclame in the press seriously?
                      And the missing information, and so there is where to get the benefit of your eagles, all successful hits immediately dumped on the Internet. And those uh a bit. And each Syrian abrek has a Smartphone, and the Syrian military completely lay out everything in a row that is necessary, and especially not.
    2. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 51 New
      -1
      Have you forgotten about the skirmishes between Russian soldiers and Americans?
  • Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 06: 45 New
    +5
    I do not know where the author got the above details from, but judging by the reports of the Syrians themselves, the attack was from the east, and not from the south-west, where Homs is located. In addition, the claimed type of attacking aircraft (F-15) and satellite images with destruction published on the ImageSat website suggest that they did not use cruise missiles, but anti-bunker bombs designed to destroy fortified objects, and were used in large quantities (F-15 among Israeli Air Force combat aircraft has the largest carrying capacity and the number of suspension points).
    Now about air defense. No network-centric air defense system, much less integrated with Russian detection systems, exists in Syria, despite loud statements in the style of “no fly will fly” and detailed descriptions of fantasies on the subject “collection of Zionist vultures”. Syrian air defense does not even have Russian “friend or foe” defendant codes, and the Russian does not have communication means to warn of the presence of a Russian aircraft in the Syrian air defense zone. Although, maybe that has changed since the downing of the IL-20.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 16: 47 New
      +2
      Syria’s air defense today has a purely focal - object character. And radar means well if they see 25 percent of the territory at high altitudes
      1. Starshina
        Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 54 New
        -1
        Therefore, the Syrians began to buy radars from the Chinese ...
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 19: 58 New
          0
          This is which immediately banged for joy.?
  • Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 7 May 2020 06: 45 New
    +4
    I don’t understand what ...
    Israel bombing Iran's facilities. So? So. Why doesn't Syria agree with Iran so that it does not expose Syria until it copes with the barmalei? Or can’t Syria just?
    Syria and Israel are still at war, but Syria is not purposefully hammered into the Stone Age, as it could. Work against Iran.
    Just ... why should you substitute yourself? If Israel is deprived of the reason to bomb the territory of Syria, can it be worth at least considering this option?
    Syria is not in a condition to fight with Israel, this is understandable (so Syria even lost to Israel in its best years), so Israel just needs to deprive its targets and Iranian targets.

    Apparently, Iran is unlikely to ask Syria whether it is possible or not, Iran is simply doing what it wants as a stronger one. Bashar simply cannot say a word against.
    It’s just such a stupid situation that there is no other explanation.
    1. atalef
      atalef 7 May 2020 07: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      why would Syria not come to terms with Iran, so that it would not expose Syria until it copes with the barmaley? Or can’t Syria just?

      Yes, because Syria is needed by Iran only for one thing, to confront Israel, the rest is Iran’s burial.
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      If Israel is deprived of the reason to bomb the territory of Syria, then maybe it should at least consider this option?

      Remove Iran and Hezbollah.
      и
      everything will return as it was 40 years old. The border with Syria was the calmest.
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Syria is not in a condition to fight with Israel, this is understandable (so Syria even lost to Israel in its best years), so Israel just needs to deprive its targets and Iranian targets.

      yes
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Apparently, Iran is unlikely to ask Syria whether or not

      of course.
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 7 May 2020 21: 28 New
        +2
        Yes, because Syria is needed by Iran only for one thing, to confront Israel, the rest is Iran’s burial.

        It is understandable. But does Basher have no testicles at all? Or can we not agree?

        Remove Iran and Hezbollah.
        и
        everything will return as it was 40 years old. The border with Syria was the calmest.


        yes
    2. bobwings
      bobwings 7 May 2020 07: 59 New
      +2
      That is exactly the essence of the matter.
      But not everything is so simple, as long as the ground component exists, Syria cannot do anything without Iran and Hezbollah.
    3. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 56 New
      -4
      You are silly? Jews will still find a thousand reasons to bomb!
  • maksbazhin
    maksbazhin 7 May 2020 07: 06 New
    0
    And why can’t you hear anything about the operation of electronic warfare? You can discuss for a long time why they don’t bring down, but electronic warfare specialists should clap their hands - there is something to work with.
    1. really
      really 7 May 2020 08: 14 New
      +2
      Maybe they are there only from the stories of Domantsev
    2. shahor
      shahor 7 May 2020 14: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: maksbazhin
      And why can’t you hear anything about the operation of electronic warfare?

      Well, it’s hard to hear ... A couple of days ago I referred to the publication of the Reporter- resource on the VO website. So there, in black and white, Israeli planes entered Syrian airspace and dealt a blow. It was possible to intercept part of the missiles. BukM2 could not capture the aircraft due to powerful electronic countermeasures. Draw your own conclusions.
      1. maksbazhin
        maksbazhin 7 May 2020 14: 40 New
        0
        In this case, I mean by REB just the REP from our side, which should interfere with launching and lead missiles fired to the side. (although they most likely hit stationary objects using inertial guidance systems, and against them, electronic countermeasures are powerless?)
        1. shahor
          shahor 7 May 2020 22: 54 New
          0
          Quote: maksbazhin
          using inertial guidance systems, and against them, electronic countermeasures are powerless?)

          Israeli planning bombs and missiles use a combination of inertial guidance on the cruising section of the trajectory, on the thermal, optoelectronic and / or infrared. EW will not help here.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 8 May 2020 18: 23 New
            0
            Combined GOS is very expensive. Not a massive weapon. For example, SDB II is several times more expensive than SDB I, the difference is clear, I think, why? Jews SDB used repeatedly. It is the first one, in general, see what I wrote about the air defense of Syria.
            1. shahor
              shahor 8 May 2020 20: 04 New
              0
              Quote: Cyril G ...
              Combined GOS is very expensive. N

              Nevertheless, the fact is, all Israeli Spices are combined homing, Spikes are also ... As they say, stretch out the clothes ... They can afford
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 8 May 2020 20: 05 New
                -1
                And nothing that was repeatedly used SDB I?
                1. shahor
                  shahor 8 May 2020 20: 25 New
                  0
                  Quote: Cyril G ...
                  And nothing that was repeatedly used SDB I?

                  Well, firstly, we do not know exactly what the Israelis carry under their wings. Both Spice and SDB are planning high-precision bombs with very similar performance characteristics. But Israel does Spice for its hard-earned money, while the SDB receives assistance from the United States. Is the meaning clear? True, the Americans successfully tested SDB against moving targets, but I have never heard of this about Spice.
              2. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 8 May 2020 20: 13 New
                -1
                In addition, to work at maximum range, Spikes must be dropped from a great height. This is a bomb.
                1. shahor
                  shahor 8 May 2020 21: 01 New
                  0
                  Quote: Cyril G ...
                  Adhesions must be dropped from a great height. This is a bomb.

                  SDB, too!
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 8 May 2020 22: 05 New
                    -1
                    You are undoubtedly right. Although I still have questions about the real range and conditions for dropping such bombs. That is, it is clear, for its application, it is necessary to gain maximum height.
                    1. shahor
                      shahor 8 May 2020 23: 05 New
                      0
                      Quote: Cyril G ...
                      That is, it is clear, for its application, it is necessary to gain maximum height.

                      It depends on the distance to the target and the caliber of the bomb. The latter applies only to the Spice bomb family. There products from 200 kg to almost a ton. And yet, if the target is attacked, covered only by the Carapace, it is quite possible to designate a reset point at a distance of 50 km from the target. The maximum range for a large caliber is about 100 km when dropped from 10 m. So, theoretically, the height here may not be that big either.
                      1. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 8 May 2020 23: 20 New
                        -1
                        Yes it is, but for this, the collective defense air defense systems are also needed. Attacking an object covered by such an air defense system requires a completely different outfit.
                        In the sense, we are talking about multi-layer mutual protection of AIA
    3. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 19: 58 New
      -2
      Campaign Russian EW died!
  • Double major
    Double major 7 May 2020 07: 13 New
    +2
    Ours with the Syrians allow Israel to strike at pro-Iranian groups.
  • Al Asad
    Al Asad 7 May 2020 07: 30 New
    +1
    Because in the military and political leadership of Russia there are men without male dignity, unable to defend either their interests or their allies.
    1. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 7 May 2020 07: 47 New
      +5
      They have interests and wallets beyond the hill, and Syria is not an ally, it is for averting eyes
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 7 May 2020 09: 41 New
      -3
      Quote: Al Asad
      incapable of protecting either their interests or their allies.

      They remember those pitchforks that the USSR attacked more than once.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 May 2020 13: 27 New
      0
      This misconception is about allies. The rental for the bases is paid by Assad + military support. There is a common interest in the destruction of Russian-speaking barmaleys, as well as in keeping Bashar on the throne. Neither in 2008, nor in two Chechens, Syrians were observed on the Russian side.
    4. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 20: 00 New
      0
      Bribes corruption is a betrayal of the interests of Russia ..
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 7 May 2020 08: 01 New
    +2
    After the recent attempts Israeli airborne tactical missile strike on a research center near Es Safir

    Or maybe the word "ATTEMPT" is not appropriate here?
    Or maybe journalists should start writing the truth Does it matter whether or not it fits in with the line (or sinusoid) of the policy of your country?
    The attack directed against the giant defense complex in Al-Safir, in the territory of which also missile plants are located, demonstrates that Israel moved from point strikes at the moment of opportunity to a campaign of systematic pressure on Iran whose purpose is to make him rethink his goals and perspectives. ”
    On the territory of al-Safir are complexes of the Syrian Institute Center for Scientific Research. We are talking about the Syrian state concern, responsible for the development and production of new weapons.
    It is on the territory of this center that Hezbollah, with the help of Syrian and Iranian military engineers, is trying to increase the accuracy, range and destructive power of its missiles.
    Israeli Defense Minister said: “We have moved from trying to prevent the concealment of Iran’s military facilities in Syria to pushing it out of there, and we will not stop. We will not allow the growth of strategic threats at our border ”
    1. Iris
      Iris 7 May 2020 17: 39 New
      0
      That’s what it means - a well-considered and balanced military-political decision!
  • Federal1
    Federal1 7 May 2020 09: 14 New
    -2
    The S-300 turns into the funniest weapon of the 21st century ... They drag around in parades, show off pounding, sense 0. Generally, the story with the MIG-29, the super duper plane lost 50-0 to everyone who can, but no analogs, that's for sure , there are no analogues, maybe this thing shoots but it’s clearly inaccurate and most importantly, you yourself know what’s important ...)
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 7 May 2020 09: 20 New
    +3
    In general, the praised air defense of Syria once again messed up.

    And the care of some of Israel., IMHO, is baseless. They shot down a year ago 3 ago their plane accidentally, and ??? Nothing, no super aggravation has come .....
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 7 May 2020 10: 07 New
    +3
    we should not forget about the agreement between Russia and Israel ... the details are unknown ...
    1. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 20: 04 New
      0
      The details are simple. The complete surrender of the country's interests ...
  • alone
    alone 7 May 2020 11: 39 New
    +3
    Syria is now in no position to openly confront Israel .. Syria will be crushed in two ... and no one will help .. And Iran is too far away, does not have a border .. Missile attacks will give nothing .. These attacks than did they help Iraq in 1991? No .. These attacks will tie up the hands of the United States, which will hit Iran .. that’s 100%, so there’s no reason to argue .. As long as Iran and Hezbollah are there, the strikes will
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  • oligofren32
    oligofren32 7 May 2020 12: 21 New
    +2
    A strange article, strange conclusions about the motives for the action or inaction of the Russian grouping of the Russian Federation in the SAR and Russian air defense in particular. Well, if Russian air defense is not effective or the Russian Ministry of Defense is afraid to use it against your technological whistles and fakes, then what are the problems? The flag is in your hands! Boldly and without looking back, solve your problems. But why did you bring all these calculations, what did you want to convince us of? In our military futility or in political impotence? Or maybe you were upset about the Russian "old men and children" whose budget money our government and the Moscow Region spend on inefficient activities in the SAR?
    1. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 20: 09 New
      0
      A lot of questions, but the authorities do not have answers?
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  • iouris
    iouris 7 May 2020 13: 30 New
    0
    Quote: "... it is obvious that with each passing month these attacks will be more and more sophisticated." End of quote.
    Wow! But they didn’t agree. And so did not agree. So who is a superpower?
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 7 May 2020 13: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      So who is a superpower?

      Please explain what a superpower is.
      1. iouris
        iouris 7 May 2020 14: 32 New
        0
        Google to help you, I'm not a political science teacher.
    2. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 20: 11 New
      0
      I won’t be surprised if soon the Jews will lead troops to Syria?
  • cniza
    cniza 7 May 2020 13: 54 New
    +3
    Everything is very complicated, how many specialists have so many opinions, and the lack or lack of information still distorts more ...
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 7 May 2020 14: 21 New
    -1
    We need an order to destroy targets in the coverage area. And the normal operators at the control panels. And there will be no raids.
    1. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 20: 12 New
      0
      The gut is thin?
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 7 May 2020 20: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Starshina
        The gut is thin?


        And who knows? But to stop this disgrace is technically quite simple.
  • Lekz
    Lekz 7 May 2020 15: 08 New
    +1
    What are you talking about? What is Russia's air defense with Syria? Russia has no conflict with Israel. Iran and Israel have problems with Syria. Russia in Syria has the task of destroying terrorists and protecting Russia's interests in the region. And the Syrians must protect their infrastructure and their allies themselves.
  • Old26
    Old26 7 May 2020 15: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: ssergey1978
    To dictate conditions in the Middle East, you need eggs, preferably iron. Why Russia is pulling the air defense system there if it’s afraid to use it, it’s even afraid to allow the Syrian to use it, it’s not clear.

    Do you need to cover your bases? There are guarantees that in the absence of air defense, the next wave of cruise missiles will strike not at Syrian targets, but at Russian ones?
    We did not plan to resolve its issues for Syria with our neighbors. Let her know it herself. The presence of our contingent there is a fight against illegal armed groups such as ISIS. And no one claimed that our air defense would create a no-fly zone for Syria.
    As for the S-300PMU, we transferred it to Syria. This complex is now Syrian and we cannot allow or prohibit its use. It's just that there is an adequate person in the Syrian Armed Forces who understands that use the S-300 against Israeli aircraft - this will be the last day of the existence of this complex. Therefore, they do not shoot. And trying to shoot down bombs or missiles is a common move in a political game. Say, "I kind of didn’t see your planes, but I shot down a couple of rockets and bombs. I also have my own bosses and I need to report to him." And so it turns out that the sheep are safe and the wolves are full

    Quote: Thrifty
    Eugene hi the bird is visible on the flight, and you according to your style of narration! And yet, the main reason for the silence of the air defense system is precisely in the naive hope of the Kremlin that the Jews will limit their aggressiveness, although if the C300 was brought to Syria, why? You need to shoot down totally Israeli planes, and their pilots have genetics that are not iron. As soon as a dozen “we’ll land forever”, the Kremlin will break into a tearful tear of crying, that’s why it will be necessary to put it tightly in place! In the meantime, the C300 is there just for furniture, you have to put it. ..

    Who will shoot down totally? Syrians? so they understand what it can do for them. S-300 - there, sorry, not ours, but Syrian. So let them decide. To amuse pride and shoot down a couple of Israeli aircraft and then watch the burned-out skeletons of launchers and locators, or "not tease the geese," but hold on to something more serious. So to speak, weapons of last chance, if the planes of the United States and its allies suddenly begin to bomb ...
    And we don’t owe anything to anyone there. Even before the introduction, goals were stated - to help Syria in the fight against ISIS, and not to sign for Syria in conflicts with its neighbors ...
    1. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 20: 15 New
      0
      That is, I'm not me and not my hut ....
    2. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 20: 18 New
      -1
      After what has been seen, many countries will think a hundred times before entering into alliances with Russia?
  • Pytnik
    Pytnik 7 May 2020 15: 50 New
    0
    Quote: borberd
    It cost the Syrians several divisions destroyed S-200 and S-75

    personally destroyed from the couch wink laughing where is the photo video wink
    Quote: borberd
    And the battery that shot down the F-16 accidentally ran into roadside mines

    your dreams and fantasies don't interest me wink hi
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 May 2020 16: 54 New
      0
      There is a photo of the broken SNR S-200 and the broken PU. the rest is wet fantasy. And the F-16 was cut down all the same by two hundred. But it is not mobile but stationary, it does not drive itself.
  • flicker
    flicker 7 May 2020 16: 16 New
    -4
    and the observed geopolitical "softness" to this day does not allow to realize the full range of capabilities of such a complex and far from cheap maintenance of an air / missile "umbrella".

    Air defense was not delivered under the scenario when: Israeli aviation attacks, and Syrian air defense reflects these attacks, and so on to infinity.
    ---
    Everything will happen very quickly: in the hour “x” the air defense will work (the aggressor’s aircraft will land), at the same time missile attacks on the aggressor from all sides will follow, and then the ground operation will begin.
    ---
    Probably, everything will be decided during the day.
    Question: Will the aggressor have time to evacuate during the day?
    And if so, where and by which transport?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 7 May 2020 17: 46 New
      +2
      This is where such fantasies come from?
      1. flicker
        flicker 7 May 2020 21: 50 New
        -2
        This is where such fantasies come from?

        For you, these are "fantasies" - and for the leadership of Israel, this is a very real development.
        Otherwise, why do you need the Tsakhal, the iron dome, the general military duty, etc. - I don’t think because of someone else’s fantasies.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 7 May 2020 21: 52 New
          0
          That's just the presence of all this makes it fantasies Arabs, even at a better time with a much weaker Israel could not do this and now
    2. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 7 May 2020 19: 49 New
      0
      the answer is one - there will be no hour “x”. And no one will land anyone. But now you have to go down from heaven for a long time.
      1. flicker
        flicker 7 May 2020 22: 00 New
        -3
        no hour "x" will be

        You certainly know better.
        ---
        If in the first act a gun hangs on the wall, then in the last act it will certainly shoot.
        There is S-300, the Golan Heights problem exists, Iran (having missiles capable of cracking the geldings) threatens Israel, Hezbollah is super motivated to fight Israel, for which Egypt is very actively arming itself.
        They promise that the world will change.
        Why not get even. bully
    3. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 20: 20 New
      0
      Well, you old man and a dreamer!
      1. flicker
        flicker 7 May 2020 22: 08 New
        -1
        dreamer!

        Do you think that dreamers are sitting in the political and military leadership of Israel.
        Why then is Tsahal, general military service, different domes?
  • Iris
    Iris 7 May 2020 18: 24 New
    0
    It would seem - clear the article from the husk of highly specialized terms, and the thought will remain as simple as it’s not new: to shoot down Israeli Air Force planes is technically possible, but this does not happen for political reasons .. But not everything in the article is so simple: firstly, Il-20 is mentioned out of place there, and secondly, the author does not fundamentally distinguish between Syrian and Russian air defense systems, as if it were something unified, with common tasks and under a single command, which is absolutely not true.

    As for political motives, it is difficult to disagree with the author here, it remains only to clarify what they are. With regard to Israel, everything is quite certain: between our countries there is an agreement on the coordination of hostilities. In accordance with it, our political leadership does not consider Israel as an adversary; The command of the Russian group of forces does not consider the Israeli Air Force facilities as legitimate targets.
    1. Starshina
      Starshina 7 May 2020 20: 23 New
      0
      Something that reminds me of June 1941 ...
      1. Iris
        Iris 7 May 2020 20: 56 New
        0
        What exactly?
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 7 May 2020 19: 47 New
    +3
    As soon as I see that the author of the article is Damantsev or Skomarokhov, it’s obviously impossible to read without a smile of laughter) Well, what are they super agents, spies, well, they bring everything to them on a silver platter - who and when, from what distance and height, where who ordered or not ordered, pressed or turned - well, that’s all they know) Well, they themselves sit at the controls of airplanes and at air defense posts, or at least make reports and reports on their work to a higher command .....
  • Old26
    Old26 7 May 2020 20: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Starshina
    After what has been seen, many countries will think a hundred times before entering into alliances with Russia?

    Union-union strife. The Treaty of Friendship and Mutual Assistance between Syria and Russia does not provide for a military solution at all. It stated that if a situation arises, each of the parties will take all political and diplomatic efforts to extinguish the conflict.
    And another treaty may include “military” articles. so let everyone decide whether or not to conclude an alliance with Russia
    "Everyone chooses for himself
    Woman, religion, road
    The devil serves or the prophet
    Everyone chooses for himself "
  • TOR2
    TOR2 7 May 2020 21: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    28.05.2019
    As a result of the IDF strike, the positions of the Syrian air defense near Kuneitra were destroyed anti-aircraft self-propelled gun ZSU-23-4 "Shilka"

    How old is she?
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 7 May 2020 21: 36 New
    +2
    "...the observed geopolitical "softness" to this day does not allow to realize the full range of capabilities of such a complex and far from cheap to maintain anti-air / anti-missile "umbrella".

    It is known that until you give a bully in the street in the face, he will not calm down.
    So it is here. If Syria wants to be “patient,” let it be ...
    Only each time Israel will become more and more impudent.

    Although I strongly doubt that it is the Syrians themselves who do not want to shoot down planes.
    In my opinion they want! And they really want to. Even if sometimes ineptly ...

    Just do not forget that there is their elder Russian "brother", whose individual representatives in the national plan, abroad account, family, home!
    And if the “brother” in Syria somehow unnecessarily jerks, then abroad he may suddenly not have any accounts, no families, no houses ...

    Continue to continue?
    1. Iris
      Iris 8 May 2020 00: 23 New
      +2
      Not worth it - your position is completely clear.

      Let me share a counter point of view. Israel will be “more impudent” the more persistently Iran will use Syria as a base for training and supplying terrorists. In this capacity, Iran today stands across the road from everyone, from Russia to the people of Syria, not excluding Assad: the last thing he needs today in his territory are Iranian quasi-military formations with weapons depots. Iran climbed into Syria for the sole purpose - to pave the way for its bandits in Lebanon.

      We are not to kick Iran out of hand. Assad is even more difficult to do - clinging to the throne, he desperately invited them. Iran on the side of Turkey - they have their own tasks, the States are trying not to enter into direct conflict, as long as possible. Israel remains, and its productive actions suit everyone. And until the IRGC, together with Hezbollah, gets out of Syria, it will be so: the S-200 will shoot in the clouds, SANA will report on dozens of shot down targets, the Syrian air defense fighters, having shot back, calmly fry the lamb. And the IRGC is to count corpses and money buried in the sand.
  • opus
    opus 7 May 2020 23: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev

    Why is the “umbrella” of the air defense missile defense of the airborne forces of Russia and Syria again broken? Hel Haavir raid details on Es Safira

    1. Very short, very little, not enough water, few letters = money for the article will not receive.
    We must take an example from K. Ryabov
    In the yard there is wood, on the firewood of the brotherhood, at the brotherhood grass all the brothers in the wood.
    There is grass in the yard, firewood on the grass, lads on the woods, grass on the lads.
    There is grass in the yard, firewood on the grass, lads on the woods, as the lads will turn - all the lads are firewood, the grass is good!
    Start the canoe about firewood from the beginning

    2. Little specificity: Yagi-Uda antenna, Vibratory log-periodic antenna, Cassegrain antenna, etc., etc.
    Conclusion:

    hi
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 8 May 2020 09: 48 New
    0
    Syria’s air defense has the ability to shoot down Israeli Air Force planes and there are our air forces or are not there, it’s just that nobody needs it now and the current situation suits everyone, even Iran, as it’s not strange. All solve their problems while bringing a fraction of the victims, as soon as one of the parties takes more from the other, the same Israel will receive a tough response.
    Israel is interesting to many, but you need to be pragmatists and understand that its capabilities are limited. It is clear that there is a powerful Jewish lobby, including in the leadership of many large countries, including ours, there are Israeli special services, etc., but Israel is a rather vulnerable state with limited territory and resources. There is an image and a model within which Israel acts, a stereotype has been created, but there are facts, and every day there is a greater threat to Israel, its very existence. Jews probably understand this better than others, but they cannot and cannot do more than what they are doing now and have already done so long as it is enough, but. But sooner or later, Israel will face opponents at least technologically inferior to it and superior to its resources, I think it will not even be Iran.
  • Remote controller
    Remote controller 8 May 2020 11: 54 New
    -2
    If you start to shoot down Israeli planes, then you must simultaneously destroy the airfields, where they take off, otherwise everything will remind you of a "game of giveaways with a sharpie" ..
  • Andrey Stavropolsky
    Andrey Stavropolsky 8 May 2020 18: 46 New
    -2
    It would be great to bring down Israeli f16 from Israeli territory. It’s definitely impossible to penetrate quietly? Or find a hater of Jews from local Arabs?
    1. indy424
      indy424 8 May 2020 22: 15 New
      +1
      I love your club of anti-Semites of dreamers-romantics. and make a bridge with a railing, and a suit with pockets. as they say, no matter what the child was amusing, if only not with his hands
  • Kraken_97
    Kraken_97 8 May 2020 21: 56 New
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    I am glad that the wicked are fighting among themselves, it’s bad that on the territory of Islamic states they measure their strength among themselves. It is time to rise from Syria from its knees, to send Russia, Israel and the Baathists in three letters. This Bermuda Triangle will never bring peace to Syrian soil.
  • Charik
    Charik 11 May 2020 11: 26 New
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    Does anyone know how many countries the USSR fought in the 2nd MV?
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 12 May 2020 06: 57 New
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      Germany, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Croatia, Finland. One division of volunteers from Spain, and many volunteers from the occupied countries of Europe. According to the results of the war, there were 60000 Poles, 70000 in Soviet captivity. On the eastern front, 50000 Frenchmen perished. He worked for Germany the entire industrial arsenal of Europe.
      1. Charik
        Charik 12 May 2020 13: 06 New
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        Something in the region of 50000 Hungarians is buried near Voronezh, I saw this cemetery
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 12 May 2020 14: 58 New
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          In 1943, the 2nd Hungarian army was defeated in the Don.
        2. Trigger-Happy
          Trigger-Happy 13 May 2020 11: 27 New
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          Quote: Charik
          Something in the region of 50000 Hungarians is buried near Voronezh, I saw this cemetery

          The Hungarian army numbered 250 thousand people in the district, 150 thousand of them lie in the vicinity of Voronezh, some of them were buried in the region of the village of Rudkino near Voronezh, their memorial there, frankly, is not worth it!
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 12 May 2020 06: 46 New
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    There is a very good author on Yandex Zen. Former air defense officer. He paints this topic in great detail and explains why the Syrians are not knocking anyone down. In fact, there is a purely technical side of the issue. The channel is called "And how it really is."