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High Point & High Tower Armory, or What you can turn a regular carbine into

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995TS carbine shooting


Weapon and firms. No, don’t say that, and our Russian government makes a big mistake by prohibiting our citizens from producing and owning firearms. After all, whoever really needs it, will always get it, or even hammer its opponent with an ordinary hammer or frying pan. For example, I can shoot anyone with a ball from a ball bearing from an ordinary cast-iron iron if they wish. I’ll buy it, going “in business” in the shop of antique goods, conjuring a little over it - and that’s it. But afterward I’ll go and drown him in the river, and ends in the water. The fact is that in this way we are depriving ourselves of a profitable production niche, jobs and taxes to the budget. “Russians in the world know!” It’s enough to watch the Polish movie “All-in 3” to see what kind of reputation we have there, but just such our reputation just helps some types of business! And money doesn’t smell, it has long been known to everyone. And such small private firms today could completely produce competitive weapons and even export them! In any case, in the West, in a market economy, there are simply a lot of such firms. But our “collective farm” seems to have died a long time ago, and we entered the market, but for some reason this segment is not developing it. Are we afraid that, like in the United States, every fifth president will be killed? So what? People die - peoples live, and, by the way, they live very well. Well, I’ll tell you about examples of such a family business in arms today ...


The very first model of the carbine "995" under the 9-mm "Luger" cartridge. The extraction of sleeves is carried out to the right


The same carbine, left view


And this is a store for him.

For example, the American firm Hi-Point, a family-owned manufacturer and seller of firearms in the Midwest, proud of its 30-year-old history. Its full name is Hi-Point Firearms, and it produces small arms of the budget category under the brands Hi-Point and Beemiller. The headquarters of the company is located in Mansfield, Ohio, and part of the production facilities is also located there. High Point offers a one-of-a-kind, unconditional lifetime warranty on all its products, and it is transferred even to the sale of their products to a third party. Amazing right? And this, after all, indicates that the weapons of their production have unique qualities. It's like Rolls-Royce cars, which, as you know, never break.


"40995" carbine chambered for 10 × 22 mm Smith and Wesson


Carabiner 4095TS-PI (pink - "pink"). And what? What is bad? Any color for your money!


Model HunterWC ("Hunter"). As befits a hunter, all in camouflage

Moreover, the owners of the company turned out to be smart people. They didn’t get involved in the competition and produce the famous “arches” (AR), but found their own niche in the market and began producing small-sized carbines chambered for 9x19 Parabellum, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. The use of cheap polymers and conventional alloys has resulted in lower production costs and lower selling prices for these products. Interestingly, the performance characteristics of Hi-Point carbines are so high that they are sometimes incorrectly called assault rifles. But in fact, these are just self-loading carbines, adapted for firing pistol cartridges, so the recoil from the shot is very small. And there were people in the USA who really liked such weapons, and they began to buy them!


Carabiner 995TA4X. As you can see, all new samples of this weapon have Picatinny rail. There are three of them on this carbine: one top, one under the forend and the last under the barrel. Well, right, its creators were visionaries!


Want to pose as a tough guy or run with a carbine in the woods in the dark? Then you need this model: 995TSFGFL (tactical flashlight + red dot). Everything is here!

In 1998, 28 copies were sold (just think about it!), And good sales are still ongoing.

They started with the Hi-Point 995 version - the original 9 mm version, then the 4095-caliber Hi-Point 40 model was created. The newest model, the Hi-Point 4595, was no less successful. True, the Hi-Point carbines had a "not very impressive appearance", which is why critics called them "weapons of the Planet of the Apes." The Hi-Point 995 carbine is also known for the fact that it was used by Eric Harris during the massacre at Columbine School on April 20, 1999, where he fired 96 shots from it. Nevertheless, even this dramatic event did not diminish the popularity of this carbine.


Shutter handle, fuse, trigger ...


Standard scope


Plastic handle, replaceable magazines and 9 mm caliber cartridges

Interestingly, its design is really not impressive. A corrugated barrel, half sunk in the forend, a pistol grip into which a magazine with cartridges is inserted, a plastic butt. Nothing supernatural. It weighs only 2,6 kg. Magazine for 10 rounds. However, subsequently the company, keeping up with the times, released several new models of more modern design and, in particular, with Picatinny rail. However, the basic design of the carbine has remained unchanged!


A lot of different sights can be attached to the carabiner!

And now we will talk about another company, a small company High Tower Armory from Minnesota, owned by Andy Wenzel, who at the end of 2016 announced that she would produce spare parts for Hi-Point Carbine rifles. And not only spare parts, but also the conversion stock MBS-95, which represents a modular bullpup system! That is, having bought this conversion kit, the buyer can easily transform his old carbine “995”, which looks like a weapon of the Planet of the Apes, into something completely new, modern and futuristic. To achieve this level of service, the HTA team, as they write about it, offers customers “high-quality sports products right out of the box”, firstly, and secondly, it presents its products “in an atmosphere imbued with faith that you, customer, come first. ” It’s even like this: “in an atmosphere permeated by faith!” Well, why don’t companies write like this in our missions?


Here's what they did: they simply took out the firing mechanism with the barrel and clad it in a fundamentally new plastic design!

Incidentally, it is also interesting what they wrote there, and this, as they say, is not directly in the eyebrow, but in the eye.

“We at HTA also understand that since we are an integral part of our community and country, we have responsibilities that go beyond obligations to our customers. Most of our freedom and prosperity as a nation can be attributed to a strong and diverse economy. To help propel this economy, the High Tower Armory team has committed to buying, designing, and manufacturing American products. We are very proud that each of our products is manufactured here in the USA by our friends, neighbors and fellow citizens. High Tower Armory, LLC, from draftsmen to injection mold operators, from one satisfied customer to spring manufacturers and machinists, helps return America’s manufacturing sector one share, one spring, one barrel! ”



MBS-95. Variant with collimator sight and tactical grip

This is how this small company supports the US national industry. And there are many such companies there! And there is a saying: a drop wears away a stone!


MBS-95. Very original color scheme!

So, in 2016, they created their first “kit”, and then, in February 2017, a photo of this MBS-95 set was released. Well, in July 2017 - and a photo of the mold for its manufacture.


If you remove the front protective bracket, then instead of it, you can attach a bracket for the belt to the trigger guard


Slot for a belt on a removable protective bracket

Now the conversion kit MBS-95 has appeared on the market, although it took some time to occupy its niche in it.

What attracts this development of American weapon lovers?

Compact bullpup design.
Modular assembly.
Incomplete disassembly without tools.
Double-acting fire mode switch.
Melonized adjustable steel trigger pull.
Melonized steel store receiver.
The metal in the kit is in most cases anodized and made in accordance with Mil-Spec standards.
Suitable for ALL Hi-Point carbine models (including 10mm version).
Made in the USA.
Mil-Spec Hardcoat has an anodized Picatinny rail.
Total weight: 3,5 kg.
Assembly can be carried out in a matter of minutes, and cleaning in a matter of seconds. The kit is available for both right-handed and left-handed people.

The cocking handle is located on the left and is moved forward. But you can put it on the right if you wish. It is provided. And you can put two handles at once!

The MBS-95 is a sturdy nylon case, two Picatinny aluminum rails, aluminum support blocks, an internal recoil reduction system and an adjustable trigger guard. Melonite internal steel components provide better corrosion resistance, and aluminum components have a solid anodized layer, which increases their durability.

High Point & High Tower Armory, or What you can turn a regular carbine into

The sets are made in several types of colors: black, arctic gray, “dark land”, “OD green”, and “desert tan”


What is behind ...


... what's in front. The design is equally elegant and well thought out!

All parts of the set have the same dimensions, but in fact they are not interchangeable, since in some way they depend on the caliber. Do not swap .380 ACP to 9mm Luger or .40 S & W to 10mm due to possible ammo confusion. But all markings are printed or marked on the outside of the parts ("foolproof"), so what caliber they are intended for is very clear.

The magazine lock is also located inside the trigger guard and is wrung out by the fingers of the left / right hand, as it is double-sided. A very original solution is a fuse, the key of which is located next to the trigger, but the fuse on the left side of the case also remains.


Another detachable part that further enhances the styling of the stock is a safety clip that can be added to the trigger clip. It has a slot for a nylon belt. Two more slots - one on the store shaft and the other on the butt


Range of carbines from MBS-95 sets

The price of the set is only 249,99 dollars, which for aesthetes and amateurs to shoot and differ from all others, of course, is inexpensive!
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 May 2020 05: 38 New
    10
    Ah beer and honey drank, mustache flowed into his mouth did not hit !!!
    Thank you for the "prime list" of unrealistic "non-greedy", with respect Vlad!
    1. IL-64
      IL-64 16 May 2020 09: 11 New
      +1
      Saigu-9 does not offer? True, her resource ....
      1. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 19 July 2020 22: 20 New
        0
        With the addition of a titanium shutter travel stop from the GK Company, the Saiga 9 resource is extended to 20 thousand shots or more.
    2. IL-64
      IL-64 16 May 2020 10: 04 New
      +1
      And Grand Power in the Russian market offers its carbine under 9x19
    3. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 16 May 2020 14: 29 New
      +3
      Ah beer and honey drank, mustache flowed into his mouth did not hit !!!

      Why, according to our legislation, you can buy this carbine. 5 years and negotiate with the store, though the price tag will be horse.
      You can buy such a thing (no worse):

      Beretta CX4 Storm 9mm Para.
      In the chain store 200 tr. worth flying in, what's stopping you?
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 May 2020 14: 40 New
        +2
        Sergei themselves answered my sadness - “the price tag will be horseback!”
        hi
        1. Sergey_G_M
          Sergey_G_M 16 May 2020 14: 53 New
          +3
          Found! Especially for you!
          The store sells 65 thousand rubles Hi-Point 995 TS, well, not a penny of course, but quite affordable. So in vain the author of the article threw a "cry" about the fact that the government forbids everything.
          And the fact that such rifles are not developed in our country is indulgence, it is better to take a normal rifle under a rifle or intermediate cartridge.

          http://www.nobninsk.ru/shop/nareznoe-oruzhie/samozarjadnye-karabiny/hi-point-995-ts.html
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 May 2020 14: 57 New
            +6
            Thank you!
            Regarding the "Cry of the Author"! The question is different, in Russia there is no civilian arms market! Large concerns and a couple of three stubborn! If the market was comparable to the western one, then there would be an opportunity to expand to small and medium-sized businesses !!!
            And so there is no demand, no offer !!!
        2. dokusib
          dokusib 17 May 2020 17: 13 New
          +3
          High Power boasts of making the cheapest pistols and carbines. This is the main feature of their advertising company. Type heavy yes, not beautiful yes, small ammunition yes, nor any technical highlights, yes, but this is the most affordable weapon at a price that will never fail. So in an article he was called Rolls-Royce in vain. It is rather a Niva a cheap option for any occasion.
        3. uav80
          uav80 18 May 2020 14: 41 New
          +1
          Previously, Kozhaev (SKAT) produced the GM-9 carbine from the stock sawn, now it seems to have been discontinued (in 2018 they were still made to order), but it is found on the secondary ...
          the price tag there is of course also under 200 pipes


          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 11 July 2020 09: 21 New
            0
            Kozhaev died more than a year ago.
        4. Michael HORNET
          Michael HORNET 19 July 2020 22: 21 New
          0
          Why these children's plastic toys when you can buy Saiga 9 ???
    4. zenion
      zenion 1 August 2020 16: 44 New
      0
      What kind of weapon is it if it cannot turn into a 50-stone slingshot with automatic target selection.
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 05: 50 New
    -4
    But our “collective farm” seems to have died a long time ago, and we entered the market, but for some reason this segment is not developing it. Are we afraid that, like in the United States, every fifth president will be killed? So what? People die - peoples live, and, by the way, they live very well.
    The author does not imagine, I hope that the welfare of the states is based on the availability of small arms? By the way, although the author was probably asked a question, I’m still interested, does the author himself have firearms?
    And this, after all, suggests that production weapons have unique qualities. It's like Rolls Royce cars that are known to never break. But if they broke! I hope the author does not think so seriously.
    It weighs only 2,6 kg
    and a pistol cartridge. That's the whole explanation for the "unique qualities" of the weapon.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 May 2020 06: 05 New
      12
      . The author does not imagine, I hope that the welfare of the states is based on the availability of small arms?

      I will surprise you, my dear minuser, but the Americans think just that!
      “The right to property is inviolable, as is the right to protect it!”
      In fact, weapons are needed to stop scumbags. No more no less!!!
      Regards, Kote!
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 06: 16 New
        -2
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        In fact, weapons are needed to stop scumbags. No more no less


        Well yes, especially here it helped a lot
        The Hi-Point 995 carbine is also known for the fact that it was used by Eric Harris during the massacre at Columbine School on April 20, 1999, where he fired 96 shots from it.


        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        “The right to property is inviolable, as is the right to protect it”

        It is clear, i.e. the development of the US STATE according to YOUR opinion, is this not the result of a series of wars in foreign territory with predatory purposes and not making profit (here I can only envy) in foreign wars, but strictly the availability of small arms? In Mexico and other Iraq with Libya, and somehow differently.
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 16 May 2020 09: 53 New
          +8
          Are we afraid that, like in the United States, every fifth president will be killed?

          I’m afraid that I will not live to see the fifth president ... sarcasm ..
          The ability to have a legal trunk is a topic for srach @ endlessly because there are many supporters and opponents, the arguments for and against are simply uncountable. You can’t take a pie knife on board an airplane, because I have a bunch of keys more dangerous. This is about Vyacheslav's iron.
          The attacker always "plays white".
          Then I agree with Kote, a normal person
          weapons are needed to stop ...
          1. Michael HORNET
            Michael HORNET 19 July 2020 22: 23 New
            0
            Attention! For those in the tank. Weapons in Russia are ALLOWED
        2. Vasily Ponomarev
          Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 11: 21 New
          +4
          > this is not the result of a series of wars in foreign territory with predatory goals and not profit
          Well, answer how much they earned from these wars? it is precisely because of them that the largest economy in the United States, and why in China then 2nd, didn’t he attack anyone, but Russia? Did you feel the increased economic power after the Syrian war?
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 13: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
            Well, answer how much they earned in these wars
            Well, excuse me, I can’t give exact figures, but only the war with Mexico enriched the States not badly territorially, and the war with Spain actually made them a colonial power, plus virtually complete control over South America, and it was not a palm branch that was reached by the United States. Or do you think all kinds of deliveries to the warring countries do not enrich and do not develop the economy of the supplier country? If you think so, then this simply shows a depressing knowledge of the history of the 20th century.
            Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
            why in China then 2nd, he didn’t attack anyone
            Could it be because of the free sale of weapons to the people of China? Or all the same, that China has become the workshop of the world.
            Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
            Did you feel the increased economic power after the Syrian war?
            Is this war being waged by Russia with predatory purposes? You think a little bit before you write.
            But if you believe that the country's prosperity is achieved by the free sale of weapons, then the experience of Japan does not confirm this, as does the experience of Russia before the age of 17.
            1. Vasily Ponomarev
              Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 13: 50 New
              +1
              > Well, excuse me, I can't give exact numbers
              heh, and I can bring the costs for each year
              > however, only the war with Mexico geographically enriched the States well
              an example from the 19th century? hmm, not bad, but only you forget how much territory the Russian Empire had, well, where it is (according to your logic, it should be even richer)
              > Is it not because of the free sale of weapons to the Chinese population?
              about how quickly you get off the topic, I tell you about the war, remember what you wrote?
              > this is not the result of a series of wars in foreign territory with predatory goals and not profit
              so how did they profit? I repeat, that is, the United States was not the largest economy, and China has become, some one-sided thinking, do not you find?
              > But if you think that the country's prosperity is achieved by the free sale of weapons
              but I didn’t approve it, where did I write about it?
              I want to refute your lie about wars and about the fact that they can help to get rich
              PS: on the minuses that you have been instructed, you can guess what nonsense you wrote
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 14: 42 New
                0
                Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                an example from the 19th century? hmm, not bad, but only you forget how much territory the Russian Empire had, well, where is it

                Ehei, how sweet, but I remind you that in the Russian Empire there was a free sale of weapons!
                Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                so where is she
                Yes where? laughing
                Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                Is it not because of the free sale of weapons to the population of China?
                about how quickly you get off the topic, I tell you about the war, remember what you wrote?
                Yes, I remember, it was before you climbed:
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                The author does not imagine, I hope that the welfare of the states is based on the availability of small arms?

                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

                I will surprise you, my dear minuser, but the Americans think just that!
                “The right to property is inviolable, as is the right to protect it!”

                Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                about how quickly you get off the topic
                Saucy, how sharp is the bullet? I wrote specifically about the United States, namely, YOU have dragged together China and Russia, who gets it off the topic?
                Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                so how did they profit? I repeat, that is, the United States was not the largest economy
                So it is, a scanty knowledge of the history of the 20th century. Before WWI, the USA were among the leading, but not the first, economies in the world. One of the leading economies in the world of the USA became thanks to, including:
                Geographical factor. The USA used the closest underdeveloped countries of Latin America, turning them into an agrarian and raw materials appendage of their country
                Turned strictly by military force. But after the WWII, the USA became the first economy in the world, and by a wide margin from the rest. Is this news for you?
                Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                I repeat, that is, the United States was not the largest economy, and China has become, some one-sided thinking, do not find
                Yes, at least repeat yourself, I was talking strictly about the US economy and the "influence" of free arms sales on it.
                Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                I want to refute your lie about wars and about the fact that they can help to get rich
                Lord, yes, almost all of the history of wars shows exactly this, they either get richer or knowingly much stronger sides or the sellers of which the war hardly touches, and the USA managed to be both of these. The history of world wars just cries out about it.
                1. Vasily Ponomarev
                  Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 14: 57 New
                  +2
                  > Yes, I remember, it was before you got in:
                  Well, yes, I didn’t write about it, read above what I am making claims for, I’m not saying that the United States developed through the sale of weapons, do not include me in this, what did I write in the beginning?
                  > this is not the result of a series of wars in foreign territory with predatory goals and not profit
                  Well, answer how much they earned from these wars? It is precisely because of them that the largest economy in the USA
                  > Indeed, scanty knowledge of the history of the 20th century. Before WWII, the USA was among the leading economies in the world, but not the first. One of the leading economies in the world
                  another, accuses me of ignorance, although he himself was not honored to verify the data
                  https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-top-10-countries-by-GDP-in-1913
                  another proof of your lies
                  > But after it was WWI, the USA became the first economy in the world, and by a wide margin from the rest. Is this news to you?
                  yes, I admit the news, because I always considered (according to the data) that it was the largest before that laughing and this person says that I don’t know the story wassat
                  > Yes, at least repeat yourself, I was talking strictly about the US economy and the "influence" on it, the free sale of weapons.
                  so I’m not talking about it, I didn’t say anything about it, read my first comment
                  > Lord, yes, almost the entire history of wars shows exactly this, they just get richer or obviously much stronger parties or whose sellers are almost not affected by the war, but the United States managed to be both. The history of world wars just cries out about it.
                  the United States was not rich, it was simply the only developed country in which the industry was not destroyed, and it became rich because everyone else had no resources, the United States became an almost exclusive supplier of goods to Europe, and if you didn’t know then after WWII US debt was a record and was higher (in percent) than now
                  you will not argue that Silicon Valley appeared because of the "quote"
                  the result of a series of wars on foreign territory with predatory purposes and not profit?
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 15: 30 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                    https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-top-10-countries-by-GDP-in-1913
                    Well, quote a quote from here!
                    Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                    so I’m not talking about it, I didn’t say anything about it, read my first comment
                    Yes, I really do not care about your comment.
                    Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                    then after WWII, US debt was record and higher
                    It was an INTERNAL debt and this debt was not repaid. After that, your stupidity is visible to the naked eye.
                    Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                    You will not argue that Silicon Valley appeared because of
                    This is the simplest demagogic trick, I’ll answer in the same way, you won’t say that Silicon Valley was in the United States before 1913? After all, the US economy was already "strongest"
                    Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                    usa not get rich
                    This is frank stupidity.
                    1. Vasily Ponomarev
                      Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 16: 22 New
                      +3
                      > Well, bring a quote from here!
                      what quote, did you even follow the link, quote-book?
                      > Yes, I really do not care about your comment.

                      > It was a DOMESTIC debt and this debt was not paid back. After that, your stupidity is visible to the naked eye.
                      ingenious, Watson, especially about stupidity, everything is fine in this comment, and the fact that the United States always repaid debt (I hope you know this, although apparently not), as well as the fact that you don’t know why the percentage of debt has decreased (hint, due to more high economic growth) and the fact that you called me stupid as a result, you yourself wrote nonsense, not for the first time and not for the last, (by the way you can give an example to whom they did not repay their debts)
                      > This is the simplest demagogic technique, I will answer the same, you will not argue that the Silicon Valley was in the United States before 1913? After all, the US economy was already "strongest"
                      heh, that is, that it was the largest before the war, you don’t argue, well, at least something pleases
                      > This is blatant foolishness.
                      okay, got rich, but with the addition of "debt"
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 17: 07 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        > Well, bring a quote from here!
                        what quote, did you even follow the link, quote-book?

                        Where are you getting from? Well, I'll quote:

                        What were the top 10 countries by GDP in 1913?

                        .....
                        GDP (PPP) in millions of 1990 International Dollar

                        USA - 517,383
                        China - 241,431

                        Germany- 237,332
                        USSR - 232,351
                        UK - 224,618
                        There, according to your link, there is nothing about 1913. Refute your link!

                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        and the fact that the usa has always repaid
                        Ahahah, ROFL! if you certainly understand what I mean! Then this debt GROWS every minute, just wipe away the tears. What is there to talk about with a pendexon after all this?
                      2. Vasily Ponomarev
                        Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 17: 22 New
                        +2
                        > There, according to your link, there is nothing about 1913. Refute your own link!
                        and this person writes to me that I do not understand anything in the history of the 20th century
                        it is clear that you do not understand what it means of 1990 International Dollar? So ?
                        I also realized that you don’t even know what the GDP of the countries was in this 1990
                        > Ahahah, ROFL! if of course you understand what I mean! Then this debt grows by the minute
                        God, what a shame, you don’t even know that you can steadily give interest on debt and at the same time increase debt, can I ask you a question, when did you take debt? Do you know what interest payments are?
                        > After all this, what to talk about with a penndos worshiper?
                        you don’t even imagine what nonsense you wrote, I’m trying to say it unsuccessfully to you, and instead you accuse me of something else, it’s the same if you would say that 2 + 2 = 6, I would begin to correct you, and you would call me ... don’t know how
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 17: 41 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        it is clear that you do not understand what it means of 1990 International Dollar? So ?
                        I also realized that you don’t even know what the GDP of the countries was in this 1990
                        This is just showing your stupidity. Because the link you cited with reference specifically to the WWII (World War I)
                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        Before WWI, the USA were among the leading, but not the first, economies in the world. One of the leading economies in the world
                        another, accuses me of ignorance, although he himself was not honored to verify the data
                        https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-top-10-countries-by-GDP-in-1913
                        And under this link we see data for 1990, whether it is real or not, it’s absolutely the same, it’s enough that there is no link nothing about 1913. You don’t specifically understand what you’re dripping, it’s either a changed consciousness (drunkenness), or some kind of illness, in this case I sympathize.


                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        you don’t even imagine what nonsense they wrote, I’m trying unsuccessfully to tell you, and instead you accuse me of something else, it’s the same if you would say that 2 + 2 = 6, I would begin to correct you, and you would call me ... don’t know how
                        What a harmonious logic, what a refined syllable ...
                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        you can’t even imagine what nonsense they wrote
                        You wrote that the United States repays debts, but you attribute stupidity to me, this is a turn.

                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        God, what a shame, you don’t even know that you can steadily give interest on debt and at the same time increase debt
                        Why I don’t know, for example, the idiots who occupy themselves without looking at wild interest pay something like that, it’s good that I’m not one of them. But this also shows your stupidity, because normal debt servicing does not increase debt, and the opposite either leads to the bankruptcy of the debtor, or is a slightly covered robbery of the creditor, which is the case with the USA.
                      4. Vasily Ponomarev
                        Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 17: 47 New
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                        > And at this link we see the data for 1990
                        I explain, this is data for 1913 in 90 dollars (you know what inflation is, although you don’t seem to know anything, then you would answer my questions
                        because it would be easy to know that in the current year 90, the gross domestic product of the United States was already more than 6 trillion, and those data for 13 in money 90
                        > But even this shows your stupidity, because normal debt service does not increase the debt in any way, and the opposite either leads to the debtor's bankruptcy, or is a slightly veiled robbery of the creditor,
                        Do you need a psychiatrist, does China also pay off debt? Japan? the whole world?
                        do not stop to start explaining the economy course on the fingers
                      5. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 17: 55 New
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                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        because it would be easy to know that in the current year 90, the gross domestic product of the United States was already more than 6 trillion, and those data for 13 in money 90
                        Ahaha, you are frankly idiot!
                        According to your link given from stupidity, not otherwise, China is in second place !!! And the USSR !!! In 1913 !!!
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        USA - 517,383
                        China - 241,431
                        Germany- 237,332
                        USSR - 232,351
                        UK - 224,618


                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        Do you need a psychiatrist, does China also pay off debt? Japan? the whole world?
                        So they just give it back, and what kind of congress is it from the topic, what relation do these countries have to the US public debt in 1945? The USA should have it in 1945?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        then after WWII, US debt was record and higher
                        It was an INTERNAL debt and this debt was not paid back.

                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        do not stop to start explaining the economy course on the fingers
                        Here's a scumbag, you will learn to write coherently, or at least write quotes normally.
                      6. Vasily Ponomarev
                        Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 18: 15 New
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                        > not otherwise, China is in second place !!! And the USSR !!! In 1913 !!
                        Well, yes, China, but about the USSR, the author’s mistake, this is data about RI, although it makes no difference, we are not talking about them
                        > Here they are just and give, and what kind of congress with the topic, what do these countries have to do with the US national debt in 1945?
                        like what, and why China's debt is growing and Japan, since they give back, huh? a? also steal?
                        > Here's a hilarity, you will learn to write coherently, or at least quotes are normally issued.
                        you answer, how can you be so stupid as not to know how you can pay your debts and at the same time make your debt grow? as? Do you have the best Soviet education in the world?
                      7. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 18: 22 New
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                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        Well, yes, China, but about the USSR, the author’s mistake, this is data about RI
                        The mistake is you, because GDP is gross national product, and China in second place in GNP in 1913 (one thousand nine hundred and thirteenth year) is either the idiocy of the creators of the site, or yours.
                      8. Vasily Ponomarev
                        Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 18: 26 New
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                        > it's either the idiocy of the site creators, or yours.
                        I’ll tell you more, in 1820, China’s GDP was one third of the world’s, yes, yes, when the industrial revolution began, here’s more data
                        China represented 1.618% of the world's economy in 1987 (lowest point), rising to 11.47% in 2012 (highest point). It accounted for 32.9% of the world's economy in 1820, 17.2% in 1870, and 8.9% in 1913
                        9 percent in the 13th year, for comparison, now the share of Japan is somewhere around 6 percent
                        PS: here, too, the data is outdated, now the share of China is 16 percent
                        PPS: well, let's stop calling names, we are still not children, I’m ready to admit all my insults and bring blame for them
                      9. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 19: 43 New
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                        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
                        China represented 1.618% of the world's economy in 1987 (lowest point), rising to 11.47% in 2012 (highest point). It accounted for 32.9% of the world's economy in 1820, 17.2% in 1870, and 8.9% in 1913
                        Vicki sculpts whatever, everything was torn from the British colonial superpower and lowered below the Russian Empire, complete nonsense. And you are being fought.
                        1. The British Empire 986
                        2. USA 917
                        3. Russian Empire 464
                        4. Germany 440
                        5. China 428
                        6. France 299
                        7. Austria-Hungary 177
                        8. Japan 163
                        9. Italy 162

                        https://maxpark.com/community/4765/content/6028536
                      10. Vasily Ponomarev
                        Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 19: 58 New
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                        > from the colonial superpower Great Britain tore everything
                        Well, if you count with all the Indies, Hong Kongs, and then, you yourself have cited data that even with all the colonies of the United States lagged by only 70 billion
  • PilotS37
    PilotS37 16 May 2020 11: 13 New
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    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    In fact, weapons are needed to stop scumbags.

    First, as AP Chekhov said: "the gun <...> must shoot!" A person who is armed (but not specially prepared for handling weapons) is less careful and more aggressive, that is, it is more likely that an armed "civilian" can provoke a critical situation himself.
    Secondly, I have little idea of ​​thugs who could be scared away with one or two shots from a pistol - rather, they can make them angry ... But going to work and going to the movies with a tactical rifle ... it’s not comme il faut.
    Yes and no, now classic thugs. Basically, these are quite organized criminal groups. You put a couple of members of such a group - the rest will come and take revenge ... And they will definitely have a weapon with them (since everyone can, why don't they ?!).
    Thirdly, as the author himself correctly noted, a prepared person is capable of killing anything. "Civilian" with a screw cutter against a thug with a sharpening does not survive! But knowledge of self-defense techniques will completely help stop a couple of overly hyped drunks ...
    Fourth, the experience of our country shows that there are a lot of psychos on the streets (and especially on the roads!)! Now they are walking around with traumatics and bats, and if you let them carry "normal" weapons, what will start on the roads then? (Do you believe that in a shootout with a random nutcase you are guaranteed to win? And in two, and in two every day? ..)
    Do not forget: a certain culture of handling weapons in the United States appeared after a good hundred years of shootings for any reason (well, here I am exaggerating the situation a little). We have no such experience in our country (only the "five-year plan" of the Civil War, and that is very conditional), therefore, after the "distribution of arms" in Russia for fifty years, everyone will be firing at "everything that moves" with fury and passion. .. Do you want to participate in this? In what capacity? (Do you believe that as a shooter in a large dash, and not a target in the wild forest? ..)
    Fifth, the US experience shows that the presence of firearms among "ordinary" citizens does not hold back the growth of crime. On the contrary! Any psycho can buy a whole arsenal and arrange - on the occasion - a universal mochilov ...

    But sometimes it’s nice to revel in the shooting range ... And sometimes any normal peasant sometimes wants to hold a weapon in his hands. But only SOMETIMES ... Well, so to the shooting gallery we all cherish!
    1. Vasily Ponomarev
      Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 11: 34 New
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      > Fifth, the US experience shows that the presence of firearms among "ordinary" citizens does not hold back the growth of crime. On the contrary! Any psycho can buy a whole arsenal and arrange - on the occasion - a universal mochilovo
      you can give examples, I'll give you just such a link https://igor-piterskiy.livejournal.com/347953.html
      1. PilotS37
        PilotS37 16 May 2020 16: 20 New
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        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
        you can give examples, I'll give you just such a link https://igor-piterskiy.livejournal.com/347953.html

        Such a "powerful" review could have been laid out by myself: the tea would not have burst out ...
        Some interesting statistics.
        In 1991, the United States set a record for the number of killings - 24700. By 2018, the population grew from 252 million to 327 million (30%), and the number of trunks on hand - from 217 million to 393 million. (81%). What happened to the killings? Their number fell one and a half times - up to 16214.

        And this is fso!
        So what? - Never mind! There we are talking about murders, in general, and nothing more.
        What, all the killings in the US are committed exclusively with the use of firearms?
        What, you only need a weapon to kill? - And "peacefully" robbing exclusively without weapons? And what about this during the described period? And heavy bodily ones are applied only with hammers and irons? How about that?
        And as in the period between 1991 and 2018. the legislation changed? - Maybe there was toughening for murders, and the people "cooled down" ...
        Well, dude croaked something there at his own pleasure, but why refer to this? There is no analysis of the situation! So, a couple of non-binding facts ...
        1. Vasily Ponomarev
          Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 16: 35 New
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          > What, all murders in the USA are committed exclusively with the use of firearms
          Well, if without weapons, then where does the weapon then? I mean, if they’re not killing with weapons, then this is just the example that the author of the article says, it’s not the culprit
          > What, weapons are needed only to kill? - And "peacefully" robbing exclusively without weapons? How about that?
          it’s written in the same place, a link is given in the test (God, I’m chatting with people for how many times, I’ll give them links and they don’t read them) where is the information about the number of crimes, here you can play http://www.disastercenter.com/ crime / uscrime.htm as you can see, thefts have been steadily falling since 91, lower than in the mid 60s
          > And heavy bodily inflicted only with hammers and irons? How about that?
          Well, there is probably no such exact statistics, but the table contains the total number of attacks, murders, etc. So, in general, despite a good increase in rape (there are different reasons for this, most likely recently the ladies began to rarely "give"), then the level has been steadily decreasing since 90
          > What about the period between 1991 and 2018? the legislation changed? - Maybe there was toughening for murders, and the people "cooled down"
          maybe, but it's good, I don’t quite understand what it’s for
          1. PilotS37
            PilotS37 16 May 2020 17: 10 New
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            Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
            I’m already chatting with people, I give them links and they don’t read them) where is the data about the number of crimes, here you can play

            And you yourself are weak. Is it possible to lay out the statistics known to you?
            I, as you probably noticed, am not very interested in this topic (if I were interested, there would already be a sea of ​​statistics).
            The author wrote a purely emotional article about "how nice it would be if ..." If they gave everyone guns, if they started to produce "carbines" that spit pistol bullets, if they began to turn these "carbines" into other "carbines "... No figures (except model numbers), no comparison with competitors, no prices, finally ...
            And readers behave the same way - they emotion slowly ...
            Do you want to dilute our chatter with "your" "tsifir" - wells! - Dilute! ... just do it all yourself - with your hands ...

            And I also remembered one song by Andrei Vadimovich Makarevich ...
            Give your friends a shotgun, since there are daredevils among them.
            Give your friends a shotgun - and the fools will transfer!
            <...>
            When the last enemy fell, the pipe lost the victory.
            Only at that moment did I realize how few of us are left!

            ... with the distribution of guns always so ...
            1. Vasily Ponomarev
              Vasily Ponomarev 16 May 2020 17: 15 New
              +1
              > And you yourself are weak or something to lay out the statistics you know?
              Well, do not be offended, I understand perfectly (I can once again give you a link, if it is interesting of course, http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm)
              > it's always like this with the distribution of guns ..
              Well, I didn’t agitate anyone, I just brought the data, with respect hi I am pleased to talk with you
    2. kalibr
      16 May 2020 18: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: PilotS37
      The US experience shows that the presence of firearms among "ordinary" citizens does not hold back the growth of crime.

      You're wrong! Contains and even how ... Look at their sites, state sites ...
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 16 May 2020 23: 01 New
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      Quote: PilotS37
      cautious and more aggressive, that is, it is more likely that an armed "civilian" himself can provoke a critical situation.
      This is just the beginning. Sources of critical situations will quickly end.
      Quote: PilotS37
      Secondly, something I have little idea of ​​scumbags who could be scared away with one or two pistol shots - rather, they can make them angry ...
      "The dead don't bite" as Billy Bones used to say.
      Quote: PilotS37
      But to go to work and to the movies with a tactical rifle ...
      Rifles with us (in Russia) are allowed, we are talking about pistols.
      Quote: PilotS37
      Basically, these are quite organized criminal groups.
      They always had and have weapons, regardless of laws.
      Quote: PilotS37
      You put a couple of members of such a group - the rest will come and take revenge ...
      Prefer them to bang you right away. And so - you have a chance. And if one does not bang right away, but is wounded and tortured, then you can visit potential opponents first.
      Quote: PilotS37
      Fourth, the experience of our country shows that there are a lot of crazy people in the streets (and especially on the roads!)!
      They will quickly end. Most of them just have time to reeducate.
      Quote: PilotS37
      Now they walk around with traumatics and bats, and if you let them carry "normal" weapons, what will we start on the roads then?
      Peace and mutual respect. Injury is not perceived as a weapon. Moreover, due to our limitations, the effect of its use can only be when shooting in the head, which is prohibited and leads to murder. And from a normal pistol, a shot in the knee will reduce aggression to 0 without risking the life of the attacker.
      Quote: PilotS37
      Do not forget: a certain culture of handling weapons in the United States appeared after a good hundred years of shootings for any reason (well, here I am exaggerating the situation a little). In our country, there is no such experience (only the "five-year" Civil War, and that is very conditional), therefore, after the "distribution of arms" in Russia for about fifty years, everyone will fiercely and passionately fire at "everything that moves"
      Nonsense. Weapons are allowed in the Baltic states - no problem. Is the Baltics not an argument for you? In Moldova, weapons are also allowed, no problems either.
      Quote: PilotS37
      Anyone crazy can buy a whole arsenal and arrange - on occasion - the universal mochilovo ...
      A psycho will have it anyway. The problem is that people do not exercise their right to arms, otherwise they would have felled these nutcracks after his first shots.
    4. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 19 July 2020 22: 29 New
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      Culture? IN THE USA? Have you seen WHAT is going on there? With the demolition of monuments and licking the shoes of blacks. What other culture is there? Cuckold culture?
      How much can you whine. In Russia, the weapon is FREE SALE. It can be bought by any person with no criminal record (or with a cleared conviction) who is not registered for a fool or a drug addict. What else do you need then?!? Do you, whiner, have, for example, Saiga 9? Not? Why? On the list?
  • Undecim
    Undecim 16 May 2020 08: 39 New
    +8
    For example, I can shoot anyone with a ball from a ball bearing from an ordinary cast-iron iron if they wish.
    Introduced Shpakovsky entering the bank with a cast-iron iron and shouting: "Everyone on the floor, this is a robbery."
    Employees of the bank who have lost their strength from laughter are lying on the floor, and Vyacheslav Olegovich takes the money. The main thing is that you don’t drop the iron on your leg.
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 16 May 2020 23: 04 New
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      Quote: Undecim
      Introduced Shpakovsky entering the bank with a cast-iron iron and shouting: "Everyone on the floor, this is a robbery."
      You laugh in vain: in the west, a lot of bank robberies were carried out simply with a hand in the bosom: they have instructions.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 17 May 2020 19: 53 New
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        Holding a hand with a cast iron in the bosom is very inconvenient.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 16 May 2020 08: 52 New
    +5
    but for some reason this segment is not developing it.
    And all the other segments have already developed, only this segment remained undeveloped?
  • IL-64
    IL-64 16 May 2020 09: 10 New
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    If Kalashnikov had brought to mind his "disposable" Saiga-9, then there would have been no CC price
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 19 July 2020 22: 31 New
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      Long ago made by another company for the Kalashnikov Concern.
      But alas, since you are not a shooter, you do not know.
      Google "shutter travel stop from GK Company"
      https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/254/2377377.html
  • Free wind
    Free wind 16 May 2020 09: 28 New
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    The table is somehow dumb, In the field camp, on the collective farm "Krasny Lapot" and then drunken tables were hammered together more accurately. What slots. The 9 mm cartridge fails. The collective farm chairman, Dermidont Fomich at such a table, would have raped this needlewoman in a refined form. drinks
    1. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 16 May 2020 14: 19 New
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      In the slots of the table liners from small things.
      Although the table is really dumb for a shooting range, I wouldn’t have to take apart a weapon on such a table.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 16 May 2020 14: 58 New
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        your truth, indeed, took a closer look at the sleeves of the ring battle.
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 16 May 2020 15: 04 New
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        The presence of sleeves in the slots indicates dowels on the boards. An ordinary table made to stand in the open. So that the deformation of the boards from moisture changes affect the overall geometry. You can disassemble on such a table calmly. Well, to be honest, it’s better to disassemble the weapon in your native cloth. Correctly trimmed with braid at the edges. So that was a trough. And with weights in the corners so that the wind does not shake. Or on a knee covered with a pea jacket or tunic.
  • ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 17 May 2020 16: 57 New
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    For Russia, more natural and civilizationally close is the "Japanese version" of arms regulation.
    In it, on the one hand, weapons are accessible, but very, very regulated and even a well-organized crime does not have significant weapons arsenals. On the other hand, there are powerful and profitable arms corporations that produce high-quality, high-tech products and work in the domestic and foreign markets.
    A small number of Japanese deaths from weapons and indicates the effectiveness of such regulation.
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 19 July 2020 22: 33 New
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      Weapons are available in the Russian Federation
      Stop whining. Go and buy yourself already