Both Vityaz and Prometheus: BAZ wheeled chassis for Russian air defense systems

Since April, the newest S-350 Vityaz air defense systems began to enter the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. One of the innovations for air defense systems is the use of chassis from Bryansk manufacturers. We are talking about an automotive platform created at the Bryansk Automobile Plant (BAZ). This is an enterprise that five years ago received an additional impetus for development, becoming a part of the Almaz-Antey concern.

For many years, the Bryansk Automobile Plant has been specializing in the creation of special wheeled chassis and tractors with a lifting capacity of up to 40 tons. If earlier BAZ’s products were mainly intended to meet the needs of the oil and gas industry, now it is turning into the basis for the latest and most promising missile systems.

Having decided to reduce its dependence on Belarusian manufacturers in the defense industry, the automobile chassis for air defense systems was chosen based on several key parameters.

The first of them is high traffic. Obviously, the wheeled chassis should ensure the movement of equipment even on those roads (or the term “directions” is better to use here), which can literally "put into a puddle" almost any other wheeled vehicle. Bryansk motorists provide axial load on all types of their special equipment no more than 10-12 tons. This is the key to the fact that the chassis can be used on all types of roads, up to a fairly blurred "primer".

But the blurry “primer” is far from the only option of bad roads, where the BAZ can pass without any problems. Equipment with a load in the form of launchers of air defense systems or radar systems can be operated in desert areas and even the tundra.

And while participating in the International Army Games, the Bryansk BAZ carried out movement at incredible heights - over 4 km above sea level - in the mountains of the Caucasus.

The second important parameter is the proper load capacity.

One of the used auto platforms is the BAZ-69095 with a 6x6.1 wheel arrangement. This is how the manufacturer of the equipment defines it. This is a platform with an axle load of 11,5 tons. The machine is equipped with a 400 hp engine. and a mechanical 3-way dual-band gearbox YaMZ-2393-20. The total number of gears is 10 (1 rear). The BAZ-69095 suspension is an independent 2-torsion suspension with shock absorbers on each of the wheels. The capacity of the tanks is 625 liters. The gauge on the outer edges of the wheels is 2750 mm. The total height (excluding the open side hatch (hood) of engine maintenance) is 3080 mm.

For the S-350 Vityaz air defense system, another wheel formula is used. The Bryansk Automobile Plant offers several 8x8 wheel configurations, including the BAZ-69098. In a civilian modification, this chassis is defined as a crane with a mass of mounted equipment of about 20,5 tons. The axle load corresponds to the BAZ-69095 version - 11,5 tons.

The speed in the column of the S-350 Vityaz complex is up to 60 km / h. Speed ​​is another parameter that was paid attention to when choosing a platform.

Another variant of special equipment with an 8x8 wheel formula is BAZ-690902. In this case, the mass of mounted attachments is already 26,8 tons with a total weight of about 44 tons.

It is important to note that the promising Russian anti-aircraft missile systems S-500 "Prometheus", according to the latest information, will also be installed on Bryansk wheeled chassis. These systems, which can also be attributed to the Russian missile defense shield, are planned for serial deliveries to the Armed Forces for the current year. It was previously noted that deliveries could begin in the second half of 2020.

Comments

[Pvi1206]

The right news ...

[svp67]

Quote: Pvi1206

The right news ...

Alas, life shows that in the case of the release of vital equipment for the army, production should be its own ... and on its territory.

[tanki tanks]

Alas, life shows that in the case of the release of vital equipment for the army, production should be its own ... and on its territory.

Why don't we do it?

[Uncle Izya]

So at the BASE components with the MZKT the same frame and its own should be no worse than import

[Serg koma]

Quote: svp67

production should be your ... and on its territory.

Bryansk is still under the Lithuanians ??? "In 1356, the Lithuanian prince Olgerd annexed Bryansk to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania."

[Most kind]

And how now the father will live, he will buy his tractor, if there is a BAZ, and indeed you can introduce a thread and Brlorussian tractors

[tanki tanks]

Good article

[kjhg]

Alexey, I would like to see an article comparing BAZ and MZKT machines of the same class. Moreover, the comparison is comprehensive, ranging from technical specifications, reliability and ending with the price and cost of operation.
I am glad that in this class we have a domestic alternative to Minsk tractors. But in the segment of heavier tractors (16 * 16), used for mobile strategic missiles, the work on which was entrusted to KAMAZ, recently there is no news at all.

[avg]

There is even nothing to compare, only your own. Especially after all of Luke's tricks. Only one boorish thing: "Not crazy, not enough money" is worth it. And this despite the fact that BAZ and KAMAZ for a long time, completely artificially, by agreement, were moved away from such topics. In general, Belarus tries not to let us into its market, but demands from us full openness and preferences.

[kjhg]

Quote: avg

There’s nothing to compare, only your own.

I did not mean the refusal to buy my cars if they turn out to be worse in comparison with the Minsk ones. Undoubtedly, priority should be given to domestic machines and to develop this segment of mechanical engineering. At the same time, it is still interesting to compare with existing foreign counterparts. But Russia cannot completely abandon the Minsk tractors. The Platform project, according to which KAMAZ was supposed to develop heavy multipurpose vehicles: 16x16 with a loading platform and carrying capacity of 85 tons, 12x12 by 50 tons and a four-wheel drive tractor with the ability to tow a trailer weighing 90-160 tons, seems to have failed. The idea was too revolutionary, when an electric transmission was supposed to transmit current to electric motors, standing for each wheel separately.

[Alexga]

Once upon a time, a sample of MAZ-7907 was created at MAZ. He was finally ready in 1985. The I platform was created almost similarly to that old MAZ. With all the problems of 1985. Because of these problems, no one needed the car ..

[Alexga]

Guilty, Platform Oh, old became, vision is no longer that.

[avg]

The Platform project ... seems to have failed.

"Platform-O" for "Topol" and "Yarsov" were put into service. (Made by us https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/117868/)
Perhaps it will be necessary to eliminate "childhood diseases", perhaps "not children", but this must be done. Lukashenka has no faith.

[Piramidon]

Quote: avg

It may be necessary to eliminate "childhood diseases"

They wrote that according to the test results of "Platform-0" the main problem is the protection of the electric motors of the wheels from water, dust, dirt ... But that was three years ago. It is possible that the problem has been solved by now

[Alekseev]

Quote: kjhg

comprehensive comparison, ranging from technical specifications, reliability

BAZ is not at all new to creating a chassis for weapons. Hurricane, OCA, Point, etc.
On the chassis of the BAZ, you can mount and SPAR type Shell. Why did they choose KamAZ, a cross-country vehicle instead of a specialized off-road chassis is unknown.
It is possible that all BAZs are just for the air defense systems of the Almaz-Antey concern.
If we compare it with the same 8 * 8 with the BAS with the MZKT, it turns out that they are very similar in terms of performance characteristics, only the MZKT is somewhat larger. At least in the range of up to 40 tons of carrying capacity, MZKT products with BASES can and should be replaced.
And from above, this is Platform-O, there are statements, including Shoigu, that heavy tractors with electric transmissions have been adopted.

[wlkw]

"And from above, this is Platform-O, there are statements, including Shoigu, that heavy tractors with electric transmission have been put into service."
Are they really released? It’s just that it happened with us that some kind of armament is being tested, everything’s OK, it’s officially adopted and that’s all ..... those. as it were accepted, but not ordered, or is there somewhere a couple of three pieces, and okay. The classic case is the KA-50 helicopter,

[Alekseev]

Quote: wlkw

Are they really released?

How much, where, for what types of weapons and from which components?
Well, not everything in the field of arms and military equipment production should be reported and discussed to please our patriotic hearts. The topics of their quantity and quality are generally closed. They give for the cheerfulness of citizens "leaks in the part concerning", and not always accurate, for cheerfulness and that's it.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Alekseev

Why did they choose KamAZ, a cross-country vehicle instead of a specialized off-road chassis is unknown.

Why not know? Serdyukov was the Minister of Defense and on the board of directors of KAMAZ at the same time, so there was a bias in the procurement of military equipment from KAMAZ.
And if the BAZ had been allocated the money for Platform-O, I think it would have been spent more rationally, since such platforms are precisely their profile, not KAMAZ.

[Grits]

Quote: kjhg

But in the segment of heavier tractors (16 * 16), used for mobile strategic missiles, the work on which were entrusted to KAMAZ, recently there is no news at all.

But the Kurgan plant was safely buried.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Gritsa

But the Kurgan plant was safely buried

And what store in his workshops was wiped off. To fear all adversaries.

[Grits]

Quote: Piramidon

And what store in his workshops was wiped off. To fear all adversaries.

Very similar to the Green Island store in Vladivostok. Which stands on the site of the former workshops of the once powerful plant "Radiopribor". On which I once worked, releasing products for the Navy. As a matter of principle, now I do not go to this store ...

[Most kind]

Our BAZ is better than the MZKT, since it is ours, and the MZKT is not ours, and if Russians with a quality mark play multi-vector, now only at their own expense, they still need to give them money, so ours is definitely better, and if it’s even crazy to bring, then he won’t have prices, by the way in the USSR they trained separately for BAZ and MZKT, in the presence of vodok on the MZKT you can’t sit on BAZ

[V.I.P.]

They would also put the Beech on a three-axle chassis. MZKT does this. Many countries choose wheeled chassis rather than tracked

[tanki tanks]

What for? Do you need a beech on wheels

[Bad_gr]

Quote: tanki-tanki

What for? Do you need a beech on wheels

[Grits]

Quote: tanki-tanki

What for? Do you need a beech on wheels

It is needed both on the harp and on the wheels. Each has its own niche. In addition, Belarusians have an excellent wheeled platform for Buk, Tori and Carapace.

[Zaurbek]

And diesel on all options alone costs? 400hp? Tutaevsky? And they did not write about the 10x10 version.

[dvina71]

Quote: Zaurbek

Tutaevsky?

Yes TMZ. They have an engine 8463.10 500ls. 2200 N.m .. for 50t of the total mass .. for the eyes. This is at the level of modern diesel engines for vehicles.
Volvo d13 from 500 to 550l.s to 2600N.m
10x10 was given to KAMAZ.

There is also KAMAZ 7360 ..

[Zaurbek]

There are more diesel tractors. And 10x10 was shown on some military equipment. At KAMAZ, the frame is weaker and higher. And suspension with bridges. For add-ons worse.

[dvina71]

Quote: Zaurbek

There are more diesel tractors

No. This is exactly the car. Although technically they are no different. Only fuel equipment and program in the control module.
10x10 are five bridges. The frame is designed for a certain load so it is weaker stronger ... it is not clear what you mean.

[Zaurbek]

And the walls of the block should be thicker and the motor resource higher.

[dvina71]

Quote: Zaurbek

And the walls of the block should be thicker and higher service life

Strange, but I have a d10 volvo on my car. 6 cylinders, 10 liters, 320l.s, 1450 N.M. At the same time, it is lighter than Tutaevsky eight, and even the liners and blocks are noticeably thinner. Cranks are lighter and less bulky. At the same time, this motor has a millionth resource in road trains with a gross weight of 45 tons.
I kind of gave the crankshaft to the groove from another TD102F .. When the turner found out where the shaft was, he began to persuade me in every possible way to dump me from the workshop along with the shaft. But on the root necks the wear was visible with the eye of their turner and pierced .. several times the right circle. The indigenous ones turned out to be in the nominal ..- 1 micron .. The reason is simple .. the volvo shafts are made of ductile steel and I practically don’t know the cases of their destruction, but the rubbing surfaces of cementing .. The same approach to other details. So that manufacturability is an alternative to mass building.
In fairness .. earlier k.shafts on diesel were processed by TVh, which is very close to cementation ... but it was a long time ago, during the USSR
Now we’ll bother with such garbage .. otherwise the price of the ancient Yaroslavl eight will be like that of a new imported one .. the main competitive advantage will be lost.

[Zaurbek]

I am not an expert. I read that KamAZ made its new diesel engine with the help of Liebher and took them as a basis for special equipment and made it easier ...

[dvina71]

Apparently you mixed up the words adapted and facilitated. The maximum than constructively they can differ is the camshaft. On transport diesels, a large operating range .. for voluminous engines is 1000-1500 revolutions. For special equipment, for example with an electric drive, such a range is not required. It is possible to reduce the degree of forcing and achieved an increased k.m in a slightly narrower range. Next, through the gearbox we set the generator in motion, changing gear ratios, at the same speeds we get more or less current. For tractors ... with a mechanical drive, basically the same thing, that's why there are such complex and multi-stage transmissions. That is, from a stationary diesel transport it is necessary to expand the timing of the timing, increasing the operating range, reflash the control module and change the injection parameters, increasing the feed limit. Yes .. else rotating parts should be lightened whenever possible, reducing parasitic phenomena at high speeds. Perhaps this is a relief .., but even this is not a lot in kg, and the engine weighs about 600-800 .. kg. Against this background .. the loss of a dozen pounds ... well, that ...

[Zaurbek]

The new KAMAZ engine will be built on the basis of a 12-liter Liebherr D946 diesel engine, which has been on the conveyor for only two years and is used only on construction equipment, but not on cars. And one of the main components of the adaptation of these engines to Chelny trucks is the reduction in weight and size.

[Zaurbek]

In general, the rigidity of the unit was given special attention: the Liebherr D946 diesel engine was heavy - it was used for the most part in construction equipment and as a stationary unit, so it had to reduce weight. Of course, rigidity should not suffer from this.

[dvina71]

Quote: Zaurbek

The new KAMAZ engine will be built on the basis of a 12-liter Liebherr D946 diesel engine

That's exactly what it is based on .. Liebher's motor weighs 1300kg. Kamazovsky P6 800kg ..
This alone indicates that the KAMAZ engine has little in common with the libher.
Most likely, the piston proportions and phases are taken .. the rest is completely there ..

[tanki tanks]

Previously, BAZ products were mainly intended to meet the needs of the oil and gas industry, but now they are turning into the basis for the latest and most promising missile systems.

First, a little, then a lot

[tanki tanks]

True, not everyone succeeds. Some are falling soon.

[Alexey RA]

This is an enterprise that five years ago received an additional impetus for development, becoming part of the Almaz-Antey concern.
For many years, the Bryansk Automobile Plant has been specializing in the creation of special wheeled chassis and tractors with a lifting capacity of up to 40 tons. If earlier BAZ’s products were mainly intended to meet the needs of the oil and gas industry, now it is turning into the basis for the latest and most promising missile systems.

In fact, at the time of its arrival at the Almaz-Antey plant, BAZ products were no longer intended for anyone - the plant was virtually bankrupt. And if it were not for "A-A", then the plant would have become it and legally - you will not trample on power engineers and the bank.

The Arbitration Court of the Bryansk Region has postponed until January 26, 2016 the consideration of the application of Bank Slavia on declaring Bryansk Automobile Plant JSC bankrupt, according to the court's materials.
The reason for postponing the consideration of the application is not indicated. The applicant asks the court to include in the register of claims of creditors of the debtor a debt to him in the amount of 3,6 million rubles and 2,6 million euros.
On November 30, the press service of the Bryanskenergosbyt branch of TEK-Energo LLC reported that the company had achieved through the courts the introduction of self-limitation of electricity for the Bryansk Automobile Plant. "In connection with the plant's debt for consumed electricity in the amount of more than 30 million rubles (for five months), on November 24, the Bryansk Regional Arbitration Court satisfied the claim of TEK-Energo LLC and obliged the enterprise to independently limit the electricity consumption regime," the message says.

[dvina71]

Quote: Alexey RA

Avod was actually bankrupt

I was at this plant somewhere in 2006. There was no car production there. workshops were leased. In one of them I took fire extinguishers for our tank farm .. they were refueled there, pressure tested and so on.

[Zaurbek]

As with KZKT happened

[knn54]

"Import substitution", however.

[rocket757]

Ha, ha, whoever will necessarily "wrap up" that we did not have and will not have roads !!! Therefore, such "all-terrain vehicles" are made
The military acceptance showed tests of various off-road vehicles in the Astrakhan steppes ..... BAZ passed all the tests with such high quality.

[tanki tanks]

Ha, ha, whoever will necessarily "wrap up" that we did not have and will not have roads !!! Therefore, such "all-terrain vehicles" are made

Yes, the roads are good

This is nothing!

[dvina71]

Quote: tanki-tanki

It's nothing else

Do you still have to put asphalt here?

[tanki tanks]

Do you still have to put asphalt here?

It could be.

[dvina71]

Quote: tanki-tanki

It could be.

In spring, many roads were opened. Winter was mild, reagents used little. Less than usual ... before, I poured a minimum of 5 liters of non-freezing water only to Moscow. 1200 km. this winter already took one trip .. that is, for five or six days. As a result, water flowed into the cracks in the asphalt, and in the absence of reagents it began to freeze .. and that's it ... in the spring a hole.
The question is how quickly they take up the repair. We have already ... as soon as the asphalt dried up, the milling cutters left and peeled off the top layer.

[Piramidon]

Quote: dvina71

Quote: tanki-tanki

It's nothing else

Do you still have to put asphalt here?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: tanki-tanki

Yes, the roads are good

[sabakina]

Quote: rocket757

Ha, ha, whoever will necessarily "wrap up" that we did not have and will not have roads !!! Therefore, such "all-terrain vehicles" are made
The military acceptance showed tests of various off-road vehicles in the Astrakhan steppes ..... BAZ passed all the tests with such high quality.

There are two troubles in Russia. We coped with the roads. What to do in the second?

[rocket757]

We have a suitable climate! For roads not ah, but for fools just right!
There are some "inconveniences" in both, but sometimes it just helps.

[PilotS37]

Quote: sabakina

There are two troubles in Russia. We coped with the roads. What to do in the second?

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[Piramidon]

Quote: rocket757

Ha, ha, whoever will necessarily "wrap up" that we did not have and will not have roads !!! Therefore, such "all-terrain vehicles" are made

According to legend, when the Japanese first saw our 469th UAZ with wheel reduction gears, they said - "These Russians can’t think of anything just not to build good roads."

[dvina71]

Quote: Piramidon

"These Russians can’t think of anything but build good roads."

Let's copy the Land Rovers yourself ...

[rocket757]

We have a lot of directions that will never become roads .... rather, we will learn to fly over them!

[Pavel57]

There was an excess of automobile factories in the USSR; not all were preserved. It is good that the BAZ has been preserved and in demand.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Pavel57

IN USSR there was an excess of car factories,

And each had its own niche, without unification (the case with the Ural's cabin) from 1,5 to 40 tons, and people were at work, and the design bureau specialized in developing its own "class" ... there weren't enough cars. At the same time, in the case of mobilization of production, there is a lot, there is where to turn around, there is something to redesign and specialize.

[Ros 56]

And this is all right, hell knows that he will wander into the stupidity of Luke the unpredictable. With this companion, one must keep an eye out. And his own, it is somehow calmer and more reliable.

[ver_]

..and not only - where your product is made - technology is not lost, but improved and developed ...

[Grievous]

Made by an ax.

[Ros 56]

Kizhi is also made with an ax, they must still be able to use.

[And Makarov]

That's right, we must go to self-sufficiency.

[Diverter]

in the VKS, transfer all the equipment to the BAZ base. for unification.

[ZaharoFF]

There would be more such news

[Diverter]

I think that videoconferencing should have 1 type of truck - BAZ.
Navy and Airborne Forces - Kamaz.
SV - URAL
each branch of the troops has its own transport.
Unification however!

[Yellow bubble]

How our BAZ cars are going to overcome steep slopes with such a cab, because the car will rest against a mountain and that's it. The cockpit is too ahead.