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Putin “leaked” or “not leaked”: thoughts of a system analyst

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One of the “long-playing” topics of the last 10-12 years is “Putin leaked or not leaked?” There is a lot of heated debate on this topic.


At the same time, the same actions of the president can be assessed by citizens, including experts, in the opposite. For some, the policy of Vladimir Putin as president is a systematic development, for others - 100 percent degradation, and those who find examples of one and the other are sent to a camp of marginals who "do not understand the essence of what is happening."

Against the backdrop of a new round of the problem of “whether Putin has leaked or not leaked”, it is worth paying attention to expert estimates that were given long before Russia and the world faced the coronavirus pandemic.

In November 2018, a program was released on the Day TV channel, in which the expert on system analysis Sergey Solntsev expressed his opinion. The program was called "Putin is cunning or pretending to be."

According to Solntsev, if everything goes to the sale of the country, it is difficult to understand why this was not done by our authorities before. From the program:

So it could be done 10 and 15 years ago. And with much less effort. And there was absolutely no need to stir up the nuclear industry, to raise an army.

The expert believes that there are moves characteristic of a former intelligence officer.

Program from 2018:

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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 May 2020 05: 25 New
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    Against the backdrop of a new round of the problem, “Whether Putin has leaked or not leaked”, one should pay attention to expert estimates,
    Right, and the judges, who? If Gozman, Posner, Ekho Moskvy are a negative assessment, then Putin is doing everything right. And if Platoshkin and "For the Truth" sing with them in unison, then you can ignore them.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 5 May 2020 06: 01 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      True, and the judges, who? ... then you can not pay attention to them.

      So you think: left and right are wrong. And then who is right? Only EdRo remains! Only he and Putin sing in unison.
      So are you for EdRo or something ?? They are worse than everyone else.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 5 May 2020 06: 13 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Only EdRo remains! Only he and Putin sing in unison.
        .
        Far not only EdRo. You just need to have a hearing and a desire to hear ..
        So are you for EdRo or something ?? They are worse than everyone else.
        I agree, bastards without exception.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 5 May 2020 06: 31 New
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          Why publish the opinion of some incomprehensible "analyst" (a certain Sergei Solntsev) who cannot clearly express an idea? We have enough of such analysts (there are even much better ones) among the commentators on VO.

          On this topic. How to correctly evaluate the activities of Putin for that huge period that he is in power? What are the main indicators and criteria?

          In my opinion it is comparison with others countries especially in economics. And here a completely bleak picture opens. Putin has successfully failed ALL economic programs that he has appointed for himself since 2000. And if compare with othersthen growth GDP has long been below the world average. And this suggests that we are not developing anywhere, but as a whole lagging behind the whole world.
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 5 May 2020 07: 25 New
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            Well, an article with an inset "conversation" is a kind of continuation on the topic of Mikhalkov's "besogon" - in it they try to argue about what "digitalization" is, such as to determine whether it is "good" or "evil". But in fact, they convince us that "digitalization" is such an inevitability, this is such a global "trend" of development - if we do not want to remain on the sidelines of the world economy, then we must follow the path of creating a "digital concentration camp" - there is simply nothing without it. "Good" or "evil" - the question does not even stand at the top - it just will be and that's it. As the chief says, "which is always" unacceptable "-" treat this with understanding ":


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            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 5 May 2020 08: 48 New
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              The expert believes that there are moves characteristic of a former intelligence officer.

              I listened to the video and realized that the expert was cunning and pretending.
              Another attempt to make the viewer (listener) believe in the tale of the good (smart, cunning) king and in the bad (stupid, illiterate) boyars ...
              Look at what they are repeating to us without stopping: “Putin received the country from EBN in complete collapse.” And the expert confirms to us that the remnants of the Soviet legacy are sold out to Yeltsin (he simply let them plunder). Excuse me, but with what fright, the cunning Putin will allocate 11 rubles to equip anyone who is not needed, which harms the formation of consciousness and correctly evaluates the history of the EBN Center?
              Sorry, I just can’t believe that a smart leader should “brainwash” Western rulers just to make sure that the country of Russia has touched the bottom. For what? Do we want to conquer the West? Do we intend to bring the US to its knees?
              Then it is completely incomprehensible what the “guarantor” had in mind when he announced several years ago about the defeat of terrorists in Syria?
              From what tricky positions did the 2014 Olympics in Sochi, for which it was originally supposed to spend $ 8, in 000 - $ 000, result in a taxpayer in the total amount of $ 000?
              What does Putin show us with all his growing armada of officials, minions and security guards, with his tamed army, ready to use the whole arsenal of funds, if you suddenly don’t want to live in shit somewhere in Russia?
              We already realized that in order to make us feel better, we need to destroy the healthcare system, education, give all natural resources to private (mostly foreign) hands, constantly invest “extra” funds in debt obligations of the enemies of Russia (in order to lull their vigilance), people work penniless to death, reduce the country's population by all available measures. In order for the adversary to believe us and his servants, it is necessary to destroy our own production, and make agriculture dependent on external factors ...
              What a rare crap. It turns out that Lenin and Stalin are homeless ignoramuses, amateurs who wrote 55 and 17 volumes, respectively ... Yes, quotes from the works of these people have not lost their relevance after many decades, and who and what remembers from Putin's speeches 10 years after his death? So, to emphasize the wise prediction ... “She drowned”, “we’ll dunk them in the toilet”, “a girl with low social responsibility”, “Moscow time 12 hours 30 minutes”, “I’m not ashamed of the citizens who voted for me twice in the presidential election. All these eight years I have been plowing like a slave in the galleys, from morning to night. I am pleased with the results of my work ”,“ We ​​will wait for the Americans to spend money on new technologies, and then a scratch-scratch! ” Let's see if we are interested in this today or not. ”...
              Yes, insanity grew stronger ...
              hi
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 5 May 2020 10: 47 New
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                Quote: ROSS 42
                insanity grew stronger ..

                And what a draft of a syllable, it just takes a soul !!! good
                Quote: ROSS 42
                “She drowned,” “we’ll dunk them in the toilet,” “a girl with low social responsibility,” “Moscow time 12 hours 30 minutes,” “I am not ashamed of the citizens who voted for me twice in the presidential election. All these eight years I have been plowing like a slave in the galleys, from morning to night. I am pleased with the results of my work ”,“ We ​​will wait for the Americans to spend money on new technologies, and then a scratch-scratch! ” Let's see if we are interested in this today or not. ”...

                Quote: ROSS 42
                Putin with all his grown armada of officials, minions and security guards, with his tamed army, ready to use the whole arsenal of funds, if you suddenly don't want to live in shit somewhere in Russia?

                And Putin’s army is dancing, and the people live in shit (do not tell me a specific place?)
                Vasilyevich, why exactly is this insanity from ROSS 42? "Putin go away"?
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 5 May 2020 12: 16 New
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                  Quote: Serg65
                  And Putin’s army is dancing

                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  ... with his tamed army Zolotova, ready to use the whole arsenal of funds, if suddenly somewhere in Russia they do not want to live in shit

                  Quote: Serg65
                  Vasilyevich, and for what exactly is this insanity from ROSS 42?

                  This is not insanity. This is a common protest for arbitrariness. If he was elected, it was not so that he would realize his “Wishlist,” but that he would be interested in living people once a week, how are they at their 12? Do not press galoshes? Macaroni does not press on the stomach?
                  I will repeat to you personally that I consider Putin’s term ended in 2008. And the term of the presidency, which the people determined for him, was 4 years. They began to extend and nullify this slime dish without any right to it, because the power in the country belongs to the people, and not to the State Duma or the Federation Council.
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 5 May 2020 12: 38 New
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                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    This is a common protest for arbitrariness.

                    Self-government in what? The fact that the nearby Grudinin was not given the opportunity to sit on the throne was Pavel Nikolaevich’s own fault, it was less necessary to look back at Gennady Andreich!
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    how are they at their 12 130? Do not press galoshes? Macaroni does not press on the stomach?

                    Not. macaroni don’t press, but Turkish beaches do not shine!
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    It’s already slabs began to extend and nullify without having any right to do so.

                    70% of Russian citizens are slime dishes?
                    1. Ross xnumx
                      Ross xnumx 5 May 2020 14: 09 New
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                      Quote: Serg65
                      Not. macaroni don’t press, but Turkish beaches do not shine!

                      Shame on you? What kind of beaches? Which 70%? Election postscript? This is how people are treated:

                      After all this, expect a rating of 146%
                      hi
                    2. blackice
                      blackice 7 May 2020 03: 50 New
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                      Self-government in what? The fact that the nearby Grudinin was not given the opportunity to sit on the throne was Pavel Nikolaevich’s own fault, it was less necessary to look back at Gennady Andreich!

                      The nearby Grudinin, unlike you, at least did something for a small number of Russian citizens, that is, normal working conditions, wages and housing.
                      70% of Russian citizens are slime dishes?

                      What are 70% ??????
                      What universe are you with?
                      70% of the number of voters. Provided that 30% of the population voted, and that with 50% additions.
                  2. Ingenegr
                    Ingenegr 6 May 2020 22: 53 New
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                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    because the power in the country belongs to the people, not to the State Duma or the Federation Council.

                    When you get big, you have to stop believing in fairy tales.
                    1. Ross xnumx
                      Ross xnumx 7 May 2020 03: 49 New
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                      Quote: Ingenegr
                      When you get big, you have to stop believing in fairy tales.

                      When you grow up, it's time to ask the founders of the laws for each letter of it:
                      Article 3
                      1. The holder of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
              2. blackice
                blackice 7 May 2020 03: 44 New
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                And most importantly: in order to lull the vigilance of our potential "friends", it is necessary to keep accounts exclusively in "THEIR" bank, buy real estate on "THEIR" territory and send "IM" for permanent residence of their offspring
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 5 May 2020 09: 01 New
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            Quote: Stas157
            Why publish the opinion of some obscure "analyst"

            Because clear analysts have long decided that a guarantor is not a guarantor at all, that foreign policy is half-dimensional, but domestic for friends. Vivid indicators of its activities are demography, growth of citizens' incomes, retirement age, growth in taxation, and, of course, zeroing.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 5 May 2020 09: 33 New
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              Yes, Vladimir, here with these criteria for evaluating the effectiveness of Putin’s activities, they are very eloquent:

              Quote: Svarog
              demography, growth of citizens' incomes, retirement age, growth in taxation, and of course zeroing


              And all this, unfortunately for us, speaks of the deplorable results of the reign of (nonetheless) an uncontested and irremovable king.
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 5 May 2020 10: 49 New
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              Quote: Svarog
              Because understandable analysts It has long been decided that a guarantor is not a guarantor at all, that foreign policy is half-dimensional, but domestic for friends.

              what Understandable analysts who is this?
          3. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 5 May 2020 14: 35 New
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            Stas157 (Stas) Why publish the opinion of some incomprehensible "analyst" (some Sergei Solntsev),

            For you Gozman, Pozner and Svanidze singers understandable?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 5 May 2020 21: 08 New
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              Quote: Mavrikiy
              For you Gozman, Pozner and Svanidze are the singers clear?

              What are your favorite singers?

              Why are you asking me about these, all of a sudden! Do not impose your personal preferences!
          4. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 5 May 2020 22: 33 New
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            Quote: Stas157
            and among commentators on VO.

            nuuuu ... it's just a masterpiece !!! wassat laughing
          5. businessv
            businessv 6 May 2020 21: 17 New
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            Quote: Stas157
            Why publish the opinion of some incomprehensible "analyst" (a certain Sergei Solntsev) who cannot clearly express an idea?

            Have you looked at all the material? Such as Solntsev, system engineers make up action programs for people who do not possess systemic thinking! He did not evaluate the actions of this or that politician in the way we do. He explained why this or that politician did just that and not otherwise, and also he laid out in sufficient detail how exactly, why and why the notorious digitalization should be done! So he expresses his thoughts very clearly, and most importantly - he thinks systematically! As for GDP, he himself, besides expressing his thoughts and programs, does not do the main thing - he does not control their implementation and does not punish those who successfully failed these programs! You probably understand that he himself should not do something to fulfill development plans - for this there is a huge apparatus called the Cabinet of Ministers, but there is not only responsibility, there is trouble with the brains!
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 5 May 2020 10: 07 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        So you think: left and right are wrong. And then who is right?

        If leftists, rightists, Nazis, anarchists unanimously sing "Putin go away", then this suggests that they have the same sponsor! In this case, the question "Who is right" is not relevant at all!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 5 May 2020 11: 03 New
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          Quote: Serg65
          If leftists, rightists, Nazis, anarchists unanimously sing "Putin go away", then this suggests that they have the same sponsor! In this case, the question "Who is right" is not relevant at all!

          Exactly, in a society of consolidation, everything is against Putin, but you and your associates- FOR ... this suggests how much they pay you? The result of twenty years of rule on the face .. but to you all God's god. A constant drop in citizens' incomes, a constant population decline, tax increases, pension reform, a reduction in hospitals .. and so on and so forth .. Sports. Give arguments that good is done for the population .. in what area are we ahead of the rest?
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 5 May 2020 11: 56 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            in society consolidation

            The good news is that your "society" is very limited, and there are much more normal, adequate people.
            Quote: Svarog
            all against Putin

            And this only says that Putin is right in his actions!
            Quote: Svarog
            how much do you get paid?

            Yes, not so much ... your 30 pieces of silver do not reach much!
            Quote: Svarog
            Constant decline in citizens' incomes, constant population decline, tax increases, pension reform, reduction of hospitals

            I don’t see a CONSTANT drop in incomes, there is a hunt for specialists and the employer is ready to pay good money, but the categories "give, bring, don't bother" ZP as under mythical communism "to each according to his ability", although this category may well increase your income if you stop moaning and start making money. Population decline ..... Putin himself must personally at gunpoint force people to have sex and self-production ??? Just don’t blame everything on lack of money. My grandmother gave birth to 8, and six in the field. My mother gave birth to me too, not the best times living with my father in a rented apartment. I was whipping children into not the best 90s. Now it has come to the point that the state is ready to buy newborns for a lot of money, and again this is not so, it is not so!
            What is the increase in taxes for the common man? Does a simple hard worker pay VAT or sales tax?
            Pension reform ..... and this, my friend, from unwillingness to burden yourself with children and from the desire of many to live purely for yourself! For that fought for it and ran!
            Reduction of hospitals, here I agree with you, optimization in the field of healthcare did not lead to good! I hope that after the epidemic, common sense will prevail.
            Quote: Svarog
            in which area are we ahead of the rest?

            laughing On rockets and on ballet !!!
            But seriously ... to be ahead is so necessary ????
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 5 May 2020 13: 52 New
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              And this only says that Putin is right in his actions!

              Aliens in one word wassat You live in parallel reality .. Not one sound argument, what is it worth:
              I don’t watch a constant drop in income, the hunt is going on for specialists and the employer is ready to pay good money,

              Well then, settled down ... under the authority or in the very heart of it .. ER -your everything ..
              Population decline ..... Putin himself should personally force people to have sex and self-work at gunpoint?

              I used to think that you were smarter than people .. People multiply when there is confidence in the future, when there is work and the opportunity to earn money .. Everything was fine under the USSR, but as your reformers reformed everything, for some reason people began to multiply much less. .and you don’t know .. why is this happening ..
              What is the increase in taxes for the common man? Does a simple hard worker pay VAT or sales tax?

              It’s amazing how ignorant you are .. you have VAT on every product .. that means the consumer pays for it .. and the RFP does not grow, so the family budget is melting every year .. Your Rosstat says that, you don’t even tell him do you trust fool add here gasoline, annual inflation, crazy bank interest on loans, etc.
              Pension reform ..... and this, my friend, from unwillingness to burden yourself with children


              This is from the plunder of the pension fund and from the incredible greed ..
              I hope that after the epidemic, common sense will prevail.

              You’ve only been hoping for twenty years, and common sense has never been seen in anything .. Women love with their ears, and men should look at the facts .. all objective indicators and facts are not in favor of your idol.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 5 May 2020 14: 02 New
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                Quote: Svarog
                Women love with their ears, and men should look at the facts ..

                So you are writing here for women, have you become? No, you sing beautifully, I have already heard ... but in fact - the house is unfinished, the son is under-planted, there was a business (was it, "Svarog"?) - it was loved ... the facts, my friend, say exactly that that listening to you is not respecting yourself request
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                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 5 May 2020 14: 23 New
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                    Quote: Svarog
                    I do not sing, but state the facts ..

                    ... extremely tendentious, my friend, extremely ... if I call it with the right words, they will completely ban me. This only stops laughing

                    Quote: Svarog
                    you are grimacing and everyone is trying to switch to a person ..

                    It seems so to you. And you just grimace:

                    Quote: Svarog
                    Quote: Serg65
                    I don’t watch a constant drop in income, the hunt is going on for specialists and the employer is ready to pay good money,


                    Well then, settled down ... under the authority or in the very heart of it .. ER -your everything ..

                    Your opponent has correctly said everything - to a specialist, real, in demand - now there is no problem finding a job. And you started to play the trick, and the quote was cut off in the most necessary place for you:

                    Quote: Serg65
                    ... there is a hunt for specialists and the employer is ready to pay good money, well, the categories "give, bring, go nafig don't bother" ZP as in mythical communism "to each according to his ability"

                    And all why? Yes, because you yourself are from the same category - "give - bring - scatter, do not interfere" ...

                    Something like this, "Svarog" yes
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 5 May 2020 14: 30 New
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                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Your opponent has correctly said everything - to a specialist, real, in demand - now there is no problem finding a job. And you started to play the trick, and the quote was cut off in the most necessary place for you:

                      So not all specialists are far from demanded, but you offer the rest to the churchyard .. but this is in your style, you only think about your fifth point.
                      And all why? Yes, because you yourself are from the same category - "give - bring - scatter, do not interfere" ...

                      As usual, you are mistaken .. here you are always mistaken, all your conclusions are constantly erroneous, from which I conclude that you have a hard time with logic ..
                      But the bulk of the people, really not experts .. and you don’t give a damn about them, that is, they don’t give a damn about a large half of the citizens of the Russian Federation, you spit on them highly ... and you think this is correct and patriotic. Golovan needs to develop not only mentally, but also spiritually.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 5 May 2020 14: 39 New
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                        Quote: Svarog
                        So not all specialists are in demand, but you offer the rest to the graveyard ..

                        Nope. I propose to become in demand.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        As usual, you are mistaken .. here you are always mistaken, all your conclusions are constantly erroneous

                        Blah blah blah ... buddy, you’ve been doing just a couple of years in my memory for now that you are whining. Suggest you believe that you still know how? wink

                        Quote: Svarog
                        from which I conclude that with logic you have a hard time ..

                        Norms I have with logic. And here you have it - with a pro-problem certificate:

                        * from what - together.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        the bulk of the people, really not experts .. and you do not care

                        Why do you think so? In no way.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        you spit on them with high .. and consider it right and patriotic. Golovan needs to develop not only mentally, but also spiritually

                        Everything, "Svarog" suffered ... laughing

                        Man, you’re the last in line for anyone I’ll ever ask for advice. Get scared yes
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 5 May 2020 15: 05 New
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                        Nope. I propose to become in demand.

                        This is from the Medvedev series)) What exactly do you offer? Tell us in more detail how, in conditions when jobs are being reduced, becoming a person in demand from 45 years of age? Despite the fact that all areas of the economy are stagnating .. If you don’t jump off and really have thoughts about this, then I think many forum users will take note ..
                        Blah blah blah ... buddy, you’ve been doing just a couple of years in my memory for now that you’re whining. Suggest you believe that you still know how? wink

                        Again the erroneous perception of information and, as a consequence, the wrong conclusion .. there is a test on the Internet, perception of information, go through, you can learn a lot about yourself.
                        Norms I have with logic. And here you have it - with a pro-problem certificate:

                        * from which - together.

                        "Gramateshka" is not an indicator of either intelligence or anything else ..
                        In the world there are about 20% of people with impaired reading and writing skills - dyslexia and dysgraphia. In boys, three to four times more often than in girls, spelling is "lame". The causes of these violations have not yet been clarified, but it is known that they can be inherited.

                        Even representatives of royal families write with errors. The Swedish princess Victoria at school was “bullied” by classmates. The children laughed at her when Victoria aloud tried to read the text. The princess' father, King Gustav XVI, also had difficulty reading aloud and writing with errors.
                        Dysgraphia is often found in people of creative professions and scientists. Problems with reading and writing were in Albert Einstein, Hans Christian Andersen, Leonardo da Vinci. The president of America, George W. Bush, wrote erroneously.
                        I can continue to continue the list of people who made mistakes, but were very respected and even great.
                        Man, you’re the last in line for anyone I’ll ever ask for advice. Get scared yes

                        Well, at least do not neglect the advice .. this suggests that Napoleon’s pajamas are already shaking and you can take off laughing
                      3. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 5 May 2020 15: 10 New
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                        Quote: Svarog
                        What exactly do you offer? Tell us more

                        1. Think with your head and move your paws, and not sit on the priest exactly until the cock pecks.
                        2. To study, study and study, as the great Lenin bequeathed. Better in advance, while the cock is not that ... well, you understand, I guess.

                        At one time he did it himself, and I never regret it.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        Even representatives of royal families write with errors

                        This does not justify your personal illiteracy, "Svarog".

                        Quote: Svarog
                        at least do not neglect the advice ..

                        Clever - never. But yours, unfortunately, I can’t attribute to such ... buddy yes
                      4. Svarog
                        Svarog 5 May 2020 15: 23 New
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                        1. Think with your head and move your paws, and not sit on the priest exactly until the cock pecks.
                        2. To study, study and study, as the great Lenin bequeathed. Better in advance, while the cock is not that ... well, you understand, I guess.

                        At one time he did it himself, and I never regret it.

                        No specifics and far from realities .. that actually expected.
                        The platitudes that everyone knows, but in modern realities, and not in modern ones, are practically impossible, without certain conditions, which, by the way, should be created by the state ..
                        If a person knows how to think with his head and is full of energy, then he doesn’t sit on the priest, but this happens more often until the age of 45, and then there’s no energy anymore, the brain does not have flexibility and quick learning, and the stereotypes that came with life experience aren’t give many to look at everything from a different angle ..
                        To study, study and study, as the great Lenin bequeathed. Better in advance until the cock is wrong ..

                        That's it, but we are talking about 45 + people ... and everything has its time ..
                        This does not justify your personal illiteracy, "Svarog".

                        And I'm not trying to make excuses .. you again do not correctly perceive the information ..
                        dyslexia and dysgraphia is a medical diagnosis .. which has no effect on anything .. unlike alcoholism by the way ..
                        Clever - never. But yours, unfortunately, I can’t attribute to such ... buddy yes

                        It's okay, just the level of development is different .. Everything has its time .. maybe in the next life))
                      5. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 5 May 2020 15: 35 New
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                        Quote: Svarog
                        No specifics and far from realities .. that actually expected

                        This is my personal recipe. Tested on me. The result quite suits me.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        To study, study and study, as the great Lenin bequeathed. Better in advance until the cock is wrong ..

                        That's it, but we are talking about 45 + people ... and everything has its time ..

                        So what? I've been "after" for 10+ years, but I'm still learning ...

                        Okay, "Svarog", you are tired already ... then you are not right, and this is not that way ... work should be brought to you on a small budget, with a border, and so that you like it more ... Wait. Maybe when this happens ...

                        Quote: Svarog
                        ... maybe in the next life

                        That's it yes
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  2. Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek 5 May 2020 18: 47 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    consolidation in society, everything is against Putin,

    an extremely erroneous error ... you form an opinion after reading local comments ... on Moscow's echo, there is such a BAD !! wassat you also blame others for being in parallel reality !!! tongue lol
  • Stas157
    Stas157 5 May 2020 11: 13 New
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    Quote: Serg65
    If the left, right, Nazis, anarchists unanimously sing "Putin go away", then this makes me think that sponsor they have one and the same!

    Not at all suggestive. Where is the relationship? General dissatisfaction with Putin’s policies is directly related to his incompetent management and the hardships that this administration caused. And not with foreign sponsorship.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 5 May 2020 12: 00 New
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      Quote: Stas157
      General dissatisfaction with Putin's policies

      laughing How do you like to expose yourself with the mind, honor and conscience of the whole people! what The bad thing is that people have no idea about this ....
      Quote: Stas157
      And not with foreign sponsorship.

      Oh well, Khodorkovsky no longer lurking money in you, laughing the construction superintendent of the New Socialism alone is worth what!
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 5 May 2020 12: 50 New
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        Quote: Serg65
        How do you like to expose yourself mind, honor and conscience of the whole people! what The bad thing is that people don’t even know about it ....

        Quite awkward with a lope! This is your answer to the question - where is the relationship, if someone is dissatisfied with Putin, is he surely paid (in your opinion)?

        Although it was clear in advance (a common thing for you) that instead of answering, you would throw allegations.
      2. blackice
        blackice 7 May 2020 04: 09 New
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        quote] How do you like to expose yourself with the mind, honor and conscience of all the people! what The bad thing is that people don’t even know about it ... [[/ quote]
        The same thing applies to you. Here is a quote:
        [quote] The good news is that your "society" is very limited, and there are much more normal, adequate people. [/ quote]
  • blackice
    blackice 7 May 2020 03: 55 New
    -2
    If leftists, rightists, Nazis, anarchists unanimously sing "Putin go away", then this suggests that they have the same sponsor!

    On their own people are not judged.
    The sponsors of these voices are: paid education, paid medical care, retirement age +5 years, unemployment, 20% of the population living below the poverty line.
  • Nick
    Nick 5 May 2020 10: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Stas157
    Only EdRo remains! Only he and Putin sing in unison.

    Rather, they pretend to sing ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 5 May 2020 11: 15 New
      -1
      Quote: Nick
      Rather, they pretend to sing ...

      Well here, or Putin sings in unison with EdRom, or EdRo with Putin. There is not much difference.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 5 May 2020 14: 16 New
        -1
        Quote: Stas157
        Well here, or Putin sings in unison with EdRom, or EdRo with Putin. There is not much difference.

        Stas, for them there is .. They have an idol all in white .. and all the others in feces .. Otherwise, everything is good, they try to ascribe to him .. (though there’s nothing to ascribe to it, that’s why they are rude), and where are the failures. .there everyone is to blame, the boyars, the people unreasonable, the United States, internal and external enemies .. etc
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 5 May 2020 17: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: Svarog
          They have an idol all in white .. and everyone else is in feces .. Otherwise, everything is good, they try to ascribe to him .. (though there’s nothing to ascribe, from being rude)

          Svarog, no offense.
          A person respecting others and himself is unlikely to write (remind) this:
          Quote: Svarog
          You’ve been treated in a psychiatric hospital ... this is also a fact .. you yourself just told me the other day .. the story is sad, of course, but if you respect it, you have to remind yourself .. Golovan, try to take off Napoleon’s pajamas, I suspect that’s why you they put him there, and alcohol became a detonator

          I suppose it’s also unpleasant for you to write this.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 5 May 2020 18: 24 New
            -1
            Quote: Terenin
            Svarog, no offense.
            A person respecting others and himself is unlikely to write (remind) this:

            Quote: Terenin
            I suppose it’s also unpleasant for you to write this.

            Yes, it’s not nice .. and I wouldn’t write .. but when a person tries in every possible way to hook you, you have to answer with his own method. In order for a person to understand, you need to speak the same language with him, although this language is not pleasant. hi
          2. blackice
            blackice 7 May 2020 04: 14 New
            +1
            Some people only understand the language in which they communicate. In this particular case, Svarog is right.
            The accusations of corruption, dullness and other things are worthy of a reminder that he only considers himself smart and infallible.
  • DVR
    DVR 5 May 2020 15: 32 New
    +3
    So you think: left and right are wrong. And then who is right? Only EdRo remains! Only he and Putin sing in unison.

    Well, Platoshkin is far from all who adhere to leftist views. Or rather, he does not adhere to them, but presents himself as such, you can "spin" well on nostalgia for the USSR. S.E. Kurginyan in the series of programs "Treason under the Red Mask" perfectly showed the insides of such leftists, where they are financed from and what they want.
  • Snarkxnumx
    Snarkxnumx 5 May 2020 09: 59 New
    +2
    "Right, but the judges, who?" We are the judges !!! .You, he, me. In my opinion. Putin has failed everything ... Ukraine-Donbass. Sochi is doping, the economy is a complete failure. We are all sailing in the same boat: military and civilian.
    1. Charik
      Charik 5 May 2020 11: 04 New
      +1
      but "she drowned"
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 5 May 2020 11: 08 New
      +3
      We all sail in the same boat

      Yeah ...:
  • knn54
    knn54 5 May 2020 11: 20 New
    +3
    If "leaked" - why sanctions?
    But Bulk, Platoshkins will appear, Personally, I do not see the difference between the ultra-right and the ultra-left. In practice, they close.
    An interesting point is Putin for establishing contacts with the PRC. The elite (which has money, real estate in the West) believes that we must act alongside the Yankees against the PRC.
    Transfer the "cold war" of the West from the RF to the PRC.
    We will wait for amendments (there are important) to the Constitution and their implementation.
    It starts to break sharply, you can get:
    - accident type Sayano-Shushenskaya;
    -Explosions of houses in the subway;
    - "fire" in the North Caucasus.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 5 May 2020 18: 23 New
      -2
      Quote: knn54
      ... will start to break sharply, you can get ...
      Pile them on what you can get. They see that there is a change, that's parasitize they catch luck in the future, not realizing that pouring dirt in the present is even worse than in the past.
    2. blackice
      blackice 7 May 2020 04: 19 New
      -1
      Bad Boyars Again?
      And from under the good kings, marmalade pours into the mouths?
      Ndaaaa.
      Then this planet is no longer worthy to exist, if there are most of them.
  • Charik
    Charik 5 May 2020 05: 29 New
    11
    hahaha-they didn’t let the country be plundered, from where then all real estate, steamships, sports clubs and mountains of dough had rotted abroad.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 5 May 2020 05: 30 New
    +1
    There are no people who have been in the "office" ...
    1. barin
      barin 5 May 2020 06: 44 New
      0
      There is no such thing as a "office"

      It remains to find out - what kind of "office"?
  • Charik
    Charik 5 May 2020 05: 32 New
    0
    French invisible destroyers at the North Pole-all amba-no further look
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 5 May 2020 05: 44 New
      +3
      merged, not merged ... but this is under HIS power, the country rolled into the OPU ... by the fall the most "blind" will see their light.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 5 May 2020 05: 47 New
        +8
        Quote: Dead Day
        . to see the light of autumn

        Do not count your chickens before they are hatched....
      2. codetalker
        codetalker 5 May 2020 06: 03 New
        +1
        Yes, under Yeltsin, it was a good life ...
        1. kjhg
          kjhg 5 May 2020 07: 02 New
          +6
          Quote: codetalker
          Yes, under Yeltsin, it was a good life ...

          I’ll tell you a terrible secret, Putin is a protege of Yeltsin and the oligarchs, and not their opponent.
          1. Charik
            Charik 5 May 2020 11: 06 New
            +1
            what are you
            - I do not see among them Yeltsin
        2. Nick
          Nick 5 May 2020 10: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: codetalker
          Yes, under Yeltsin, it was a good life ...

          Smiled. Great sarcasm.
      3. evgenii67
        evgenii67 5 May 2020 09: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        merged, not merged ... but this is under HIS power, the country rolled into the OPU ... by the fall the most "blind" will see their light.

        and I read "Split" not "split"

        Split movie where the hero has multiple personality disorders
  • apro
    apro 5 May 2020 06: 09 New
    +9
    Do not rock the boat. The chief Russian idea may fall out with the chief technical officer ....
    1. Skay
      Skay 5 May 2020 08: 40 New
      +5
      Do not rock the boat. The chief Russian idea may fall out with the chief technical officer ....

      In the boat we are drowning, and he is rowing in a galley ...
      1. apro
        apro 5 May 2020 08: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: Skay
        In the boat we are drowning, and he is rowing in a galley ...

        We are drowning ... and he is in the boat ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 5 May 2020 09: 07 New
          0
          In the boat we are drowning, and he is rowing in a galley ...
          We are drowning ... and he is in the boat ...

          A boat is people thrown overboard, and a rower stands on their bodies and rows, rows .. for himself and his friends.
  • Amateur
    Amateur 5 May 2020 06: 14 New
    0
    Do not promise young maiden
    Eternal love on earth

    Like any major leader, GDP has both + and -.
    Enlarged:
    Pros: raising the international prestige of Russia from zero to quite tangible values; partial revival of industry; Crimea and the bridge; olympiad and World Cup (whatever opponents of CO and World Cup would say - most were proud of it)
    Cons: absolutely disregard for the opinion of the people (support for Chubais, Medvedev and other "cronies", on whom the majority have a "vomiting reaction". Yeltsin-center. What is the appearance of N. Yeltsina next to VVP at the opening of the World Cup. Even the majority of Russian TV channels hesitated to show it.); absolutely unsuccessful speech on pension reform; Tereshkova; completely inappropriate and unskilled actions during a pandemic. Statements "We will pay everyone a salary", nothing confirmed, endless appearances on TV with empty statements.
    Someone will agree with me, for someone it will cause a violent negative reaction. This is normal.
    But, you must admit, the last two months have not strengthened our confidence in the future.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 5 May 2020 08: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Amateur
      raising international authority of Russia from zero to quite tangible values

      Then comment on the situation with OPEC + ... Tell us how authoritatively Russia was thrown with pipe layers at the construction of SP-2. Show how the shamed Erdogan opened the arms of the Russian army. Where is this authoritative place in the global economy?
      In order to raise the country's authority, one must always go under the national flag, which was a symbol of authority and glory, a symbol of victories. Authoritative people are not deprived of any place, not a word, nor hinder their leadership and do not interfere with the economic development of the country.
      stop Yes, authoritative countries have their own currency, the exchange rate of which does not depend on moods overseas.
      hi
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 5 May 2020 09: 07 New
        -3
        Tell us how authoritatively Russia was thrown with pipe layers at the construction of SP-2.

        With the drunk Nikolayich, the pipe would not be built at all. But I have that impression. that you only read what you want. Read the section "-". Add everything there. whatever you want even to the "carrot zagove".
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 5 May 2020 09: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: Amateur
          With a drunk Nikolai, they would not have begun to build a pipe at all.

          And under the USSR, the pipe was laid by the customers themselves at their own expense ...
          You are either telling the whole truth, or making sure that your words cannot be claimed.
          1. DVR
            DVR 5 May 2020 15: 58 New
            +3
            And under the USSR, the pipe was laid by the customers themselves at their own expense ...


            This is what the universe was, do not tell?
            ... In the fall of 1962, countries within NATO approved a ban on the further supply of large diameter pipes used in the construction of pipelines. Washington convinced the Europeans that by helping the Union, they would help create the military infrastructure of the Warsaw Bloc. As a result, West Germany began canceling already concluded contracts with companies that made an agreement with the USSR on the import of about 135 thousand tons of steel pipes.
            Sanctions delayed the construction of the Druzhba pipeline for a short time, only for a year, and the first flow, supplying oil to Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Poland, was put into operation already in 1964.
            Sound familiar?
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 5 May 2020 18: 51 New
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Russia was thrown with pipe layers at the construction of SP-2
        In FIG their stacker, if ours can earn. The Germans threw the staff on the SP-2, you can see the businessmen put the grandmother to the wall.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 5 May 2020 18: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Amateur
      Cons: absolutely disregard for the opinion of the people (support for Chubais, Medvedev and other "friends", on which the majority have a "vomiting reaction".
      It seems to me that what "majority" is missing, or rather, the majority of what department. Compare how concrete cases in pluses are contrasted with "vomiting of the majority" in minuses.
    3. blackice
      blackice 7 May 2020 04: 27 New
      +1
      Pros: raising the international prestige of Russia from zero to quite tangible values

      I will add my 2 pennies.
      Examples show this value:
      1. Squeezing the Russian patrol in Syria striped. Extrusion unpunished.
      2. The gray form of the Russian Olympic team at the Olympics and the lack of state. the flag.
      3. Arrests of Russian citizens around the world in the interests of the stripes.

      Greatness already rolls over.
      partial revival of industry

      And what is this all about ????
      Where and what industry have we partially revived?
  • VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 5 May 2020 06: 27 New
    -1
    Strange, but all those who live perfectly under Putin do not like him very much.
    And those who are barely making ends meet completely respect him.

    But imagine, tomorrow Putin will be gone. It doesn't matter how and why, "I'm tired, I'm leaving", conspiracy, illness, aliens stole ... Such a fight will begin at all levels, the 90s will seem like paradise.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 5 May 2020 06: 33 New
      +3
      Then it turns out the power system that he built 20 years-cardboard? so in your opinion? Even with the monarchy at the death of the king, the country did not stomp.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 5 May 2020 06: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        built 20 years-cardboard

        The power system has been created for a very long time, so 20 years is still a bit, and all these elections have nothing to do with it. For example, in the US, presidents, congressmen and senators change frequently, and politics never changes. You can talk about conspiracy theory as much as you like, but this is a fact that can only be explained by the fact that other people rule there.
      2. VicktorVR
        VicktorVR 5 May 2020 07: 01 New
        -4
        Putin is having a hard time rebuilding the power system into which he was brought.
        Who brought? What for? What has changed with these someone and their goals over 20 years?
        Here are some interesting questions.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 5 May 2020 18: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: VicktorVR
          Putin is having a hard time rebuilding the power system into which he was brought.

          And didn’t Putin carry a briefcase for his dog? Is not Putin in the 90s in Leningrad was the right hand of the dog when he signed licenses for the export of strategic raw materials in exchange for food, which never got to Leningrad.
      3. Nick
        Nick 5 May 2020 10: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        Then it turns out the power system that he built 20 years-cardboard? so in your opinion? Even with the monarchy at the death of the king, the country did not stomp.

        Your memory is short. Remember that Khrushchev nakolbasil after the death of I.V. Stalin.
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    2. kjhg
      kjhg 5 May 2020 07: 09 New
      12
      Quote: VicktorVR
      Strange, but all those who live perfectly under Putin do not like him very much.

      That's just every day we see how the Sechin, Usman, Deripaska and various colonels Zakharchenko with Serdyukov go to the walls of the Kremlin with single pickets against Putin and Edra.
      And those who are barely making ends meet completely respect him.
      But ordinary people of the country are in ecstasy of "love" for Putin. Especially this love has skyrocketed in recent years, after the retirement breakthrough, various tax "benefits" and social "support" to citizens in connection with the coronavirus.
      But imagine, tomorrow Putin will not.

      Firstly, nationwide festivities will be held in the country. Secondly, people will have at least some hope for a better future.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 5 May 2020 09: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: kjhg
        Firstly, in the country nationwide festivities will be held. Secondly, people will have at least some hope for a better future.

        good
        Quote: VicktorVR
        Such a dribbling will begin at all levels, the 90s will seem a paradise.

        People do not crave blood, but this time they will not be able to greet various “derbanists” ...
        “The enemy will be defeated, the victory will be ours”
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 5 May 2020 18: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          People do not crave blood, but this time they will not be able to greet various “derbanists” ...

          A year ago, I would have agreed with you, but now .... I think that "those of them who survive will envy the dead."
          Quote: ROSS 42
          “The enemy will be defeated, the victory will be ours”

          UrAaaaaaaa !!!
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 5 May 2020 18: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: kjhg
        But imagine, tomorrow Putin will not.

        Firstly, nationwide festivities will be held in the country. Secondly, people will have at least some hope for a better future.

        I think that this will be the happiest day in the life of the country in 30 years and will become a national holiday!
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 5 May 2020 19: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Malyuta
          I think that

          There are two options.
          1) Putin managed to create a team that will retain power, avoiding internecine strife, and the country will gradually develop further.
          2) The team will not cope and the struggle for power will begin, and the current problems will be remembered as insignificant.
      3. sniperino
        sniperino 5 May 2020 19: 06 New
        -4
        Quote: kjhg
        That's just every day we see how the Sechin, Usman, Deripaska ...
        They plow from morning to evening every day, and you sit here and tell about your visions
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 6 May 2020 08: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: sniperino
          They plow from morning to evening every day, and you sit here and tell about your visions

          I am very sorry, but even if you accept your version of hard work
          Quote: sniperino
          Quote: kjhg
          That's just every day we see how the Sechin, Usman, Deripaska ...

          , then explain how their "works of righteousness" are reflected in the welfare of the country?
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 6 May 2020 09: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Malyuta
            even if you accept your version of hard work
            Accept, rejecting all doubts: the larger the business, the higher the risks, more attention, mental work and emotional stress it requires. And how it is reflected ... I don't know that. And you cannot trace this connection. It will even be difficult for you to give an accurate answer to the question of how your “righteous works” are reflected in the welfare of your family. Usually people do not see their mistakes, but find the reasons only in the external environment (Putin, capitalism, etc.)
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 6 May 2020 09: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: sniperino
              the larger the business, the higher the risks

              I bet the risks are exactly the same, because the result of bankruptcy will be poverty and unemployment, which is exactly the same for small, medium and large businesses.
              Quote: sniperino
              more attention, mental work and emotional stress it requires

              The second moment, do you really think that Sechin, Usman, Rottenberg, Michelson, Deripaska and other packs are all the smartest and most talented people? Derban budget a lot of mind is not necessary!
              And certainly one should not compare these shamygs of past and future criminals with Bill Geitz or Ilon Mask. hi
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 6 May 2020 14: 23 New
                0
                Quote: Malyuta
                poverty and unemployment, which is exactly the same for small, medium and large businesses.
                A large closet falls louder: disparate disparate a) debts, b) loss of authority, c) the desire of creditors to cut the head off on these representatives of different businesses and their families, besides poverty.
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 6 May 2020 14: 33 New
                  0
                  Quote: sniperino
                  one should not compare the future accused and future criminals with Bill Geitz or Elon Musk
                  On the contrary: one should not compare future defendants (one in crimes against humanity, the other in scams) with hard workers: Sechin, Rottenberg, etc.
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 5 May 2020 06: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Amateur
    Do not promise young maiden
    Eternal love on earth

    Like any major leader, GDP has both + and -.
    Enlarged:
    Pros: raising the international prestige of Russia from zero to quite tangible values; partial revival of industry; Crimea and the bridge; olympiad and World Cup (whatever opponents of CO and World Cup would say - most were proud of it)
    Cons: absolutely disregard for the opinion of the people (support for Chubais, Medvedev and other "cronies", on whom the majority have a "vomiting reaction". Yeltsin-center. What is the appearance of N. Yeltsina next to VVP at the opening of the World Cup. Even the majority of Russian TV channels hesitated to show it.); absolutely unsuccessful speech on pension reform; Tereshkova; completely inappropriate and unskilled actions during a pandemic. Statements "We will pay everyone a salary", nothing confirmed, endless appearances on TV with empty statements.
    Someone will agree with me, for someone it will cause a violent negative reaction. This is normal.
    But, you must admit, the last two months have not strengthened our confidence in the future.


    Pros - "raising international authority" - I'm sorry, but these are brainwashed by both mine and yours with propaganda, they have instilled in Europe and America, from private individuals to large companies, and "mirror response" measures do not bother them ... kicked out of the consulate in America, giving 2 days to collect, in response they got angry and calmed down.
    The other day on TV Star, the program was about the ruble and the dollar ... really, you had to shake your head after ... in general, the dollar has depreciated 20 times, the worst currency and generally problems they have since 1929, since the Great Depression ... The ruble was bad in 1903-1917, and now it’s many times better ...

    "Crimea, bridge" - here you need to in order ...

    Crimea is super! but we "lost" Ukraine morally, economically, ideologically and in other ways. The turn of the situation could be different, even in the sense of our Crimea, our Ukraine "

    The bridge - well, they gave each other in a row, the friend earned, you just need to remove propaganda from your ears and here
    "In just two years, Chinese engineers built the Danyang-Kunshan Viaduct between Shanghai and Nanjing. Its length was 164,8 km. About 9 km of the bridge was laid over the water surface. A high-speed railway line runs along the bridge.
    The project cost China a little more than 1,46 billion dollars, and the Chinese spent an average of 8,8 thousand dollars per meter of bridge.
    Recall that the length of the Crimean or Kerch bridge under construction is 19 km. It is being built at the expense of the federal budget of the Russian Federation. The total cost of the project is about 228 billion rubles (almost $ 4 billion). "

    Olympics, the World Cup - how much they saw there still echoes ... recalls only the most expensive stadium in the world, in St. Petersburg ... which was built for 15 years)
    1. Tagan
      Tagan 5 May 2020 07: 34 New
      +2
      In just two years, Chinese engineers built the Danyang-Kunshan Viaduct between the cities of Shanghai and Nanjing. Its length was 164,8 km. About 9 km of the bridge was laid over the water surface. A branch of a high-speed railway runs across the bridge.
      The project cost China a little more than 1,46 billion dollars, and the Chinese spent an average of 8,8 thousand dollars per meter of bridge.

      Seriously?
      According to other sources, the cost of the project, according to various estimates, ranged from 8,5 to more than $ 10 billion.
      Lying is not good...
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 6 May 2020 09: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Tagan
        Lying is not good
        This should be said to children before school, and here of those who bring lies, without haste, half are deceived themselves (these do not deceive), and half lie to others, but turning to the conscience of the latter is like convincing women with low social benefits. the responsibility that sex for money is bad: the chances of convincing them confidently tend to zero. request
    2. Amateur
      Amateur 5 May 2020 07: 55 New
      0
      but we "lost" Ukraine morally, economically, ideologically and in other ways.

      Except Ukraine in
      in moral, economic, ideological and other planes.
      lost: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Moldova, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and not in 2014, but in 1991 under Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And Crimea just returned to Russia.
      1. Charik
        Charik 5 May 2020 11: 12 New
        -2
        one of the +, Crimea was not given to NATO fascists
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 5 May 2020 08: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      Sorry, but it’s brainwashed and mine and yours propaganda, planted at most do not spoil
      And Russia is quietly pursuing its policy further.
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      Crimea is super! but we "lost" Ukraine
      And what was she ours? Seriously?
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      "Chinese engineers built the Danyang-Kunshan Viaduct between Shanghai and Nanjing in just two years.
      Even if you do not recall that the real value of the Chinese was several times higher than in your fantasies, that is, there is a very big difference between the land viaduct and the bridge across the sea passage. The latter is much more complicated and the requirements there are different.
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      Olympics, World Cup - how many sawed there
      The fact that such projects always contribute to the development of infrastructure is unknown to you?
    4. sniperino
      sniperino 5 May 2020 19: 16 New
      -2
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      Crimea is super! but we "lost" Ukraine
      You - I don’t know, but Ukraine and I have not finished yet.
    5. sniperino
      sniperino 5 May 2020 19: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      Sorry, but it’s brainwashed and mine and yours propaganda, planted at most do not spoil
      Wow! So the brains at least brightened, or all in vain ...
  • Eug
    Eug 5 May 2020 06: 47 New
    +1
    As for me, Russia is now much closer to the drain than during the program’s release. Local success is just a price hike. The course to drain is unchanged.
    1. Nick
      Nick 5 May 2020 10: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Eug
      As for me, Russia is now much closer to the drain than during the program’s release. Local success is just a price hike. The course to drain is unchanged.

      Yeah, for 20 years now. Only Putin is a loser, a loser. He has a drain going in the opposite direction, right in Chernomyrdinsky - he wanted to merge, but it turned out as always. belay
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 06: 59 New
    -5
    Quote: Stas157

    On this topic. How to correctly evaluate the activities of Putin for that huge period that he is in power? What are the main indicators and criteria?

    In my opinion it is comparison with others countries especially in economics. And here a completely bleak picture opens. Putin has successfully failed ALL economic programs that he has appointed for himself since 2000. And if compare with othersthen growth GDP has long been below the world average. And this suggests that we are not developing anywhere, but as a whole lagging behind the whole world.

    So what's the deal? Compare. From the whole world ... An interesting statement. I won’t be surprised if you give Ukraine an example.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 07: 03 New
    -6
    Quote: Dead Day
    merged, not merged ... but this is under HIS power, the country rolled into the OPU ... by the fall the most "blind" will see their light.

    For a long time you are wanging. But even the successes in this matter are not very good. )))
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 5 May 2020 07: 45 New
    +6
    Quote: Tagan
    In just two years, Chinese engineers built the Danyang-Kunshan Viaduct between the cities of Shanghai and Nanjing. Its length was 164,8 km. About 9 km of the bridge was laid over the water surface. A branch of a high-speed railway runs across the bridge.
    The project cost China a little more than 1,46 billion dollars, and the Chinese spent an average of 8,8 thousand dollars per meter of bridge.

    Seriously?
    According to other sources, the cost of the project, according to various estimates, ranged from 8,5 to more than $ 10 billion.
    Lying is not good...


    The quote presented was from the media, after looking at Wikipedia, yes, I agree ... but let's count it again, with new introductory notes. Crimean price for 1 km - $ 210, Chinese for 000 km - $ 1

    As for "cheating," you first clarify, and then make accusations. Live, you will have to answer for such words.
    1. Nick
      Nick 5 May 2020 11: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      The quote presented was from the media, after looking at Wikipedia, yes, I agree ... but let's count it again, with new introductory notes. Crimean price for 1 km - $ 210, Chinese for 000 km - $ 1

      Different projects, different cost of alienated land, different climatic conditions, different geological conditions, different GOSTs, different technical specifications. tasks, different labor productivity and pay standards. It amazes me how such an advanced analyst like you did not explore all these "minor" nuances of these two projects. Yes, I forgot, there are also two Crimean bridges.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 07: 51 New
    -4
    Quote: kjhg
    Quote: codetalker
    Yes, under Yeltsin, it was a good life ...

    I’ll tell you a terrible secret, Putin is a protege of Yeltsin and the oligarchs, and not their opponent.

    Yes, that's just something politics flowed in a different direction for some reason. Well, yes, all secrets are visible from the sofa)))
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 5 May 2020 09: 04 New
      0
      This is in the sense of the oligarchs? Well, yes, there are at least 10 times more of them, and there are a lot of strange "old friends" who have a talent to earn, as Luzhkov said about his wife, "absolutely not connected with the fact that I am the mayor" ..
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 08: 11 New
    -5
    Quote: Fighter MoreThings

    The quote presented was from the media, after looking at Wikipedia, yes, I agree ... but let's count it again, with new introductory notes. Crimean price for 1 km - $ 210, Chinese for 000 km - $ 1
    As for "cheating," you first clarify, and then make accusations. Live, you will have to answer for such words.

    And so SUCH in my words?
    So I clarified. Not? Though live, though not, it does not play a role.
    About your mathematical calculations. Maybe it is. I was not very interested in the cost of our bridge (I heard and forgot)
    And you don’t find that the project is different for the project and comparing the kilometer of one bridge with the kilometer of another is completely unacceptable?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 08: 30 New
    -5
    Quote: Knights Templar
    The biggest traitors to the state are our successful and high-ranking intelligence officers:
    Gordievsky, Kalugin, Penkovsky, Mitrokhin, Galitsin, Nosenko, Petrov, Zaporizhzhya, Sheimov, Ukrainians, Levchenko ...
    Perhaps later, our children or grandchildren will add another surname known to everyone to this list ..

    What pathos, however ...
    Only, now, did he give something to the smart saying?
  • Horst78
    Horst78 5 May 2020 09: 06 New
    0
    Kick-ass how smart they are. Only smart as in the USSR. In the evening in the kitchen in a whisper. Everyone knows what and how to do, BUT TO ANYONE. "big big secret". As Zhvanetsky said, "Nobody knows anything because" all specialists ".
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 09: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Stas157
    Why publish the opinion of some obscure "analyst"

    Because clear analysts have long decided that a guarantor is not a guarantor at all, that foreign policy is half-dimensional, but domestic for friends. Vivid indicators of its activities are demography, growth of citizens' incomes, retirement age, growth in taxation, and, of course, zeroing.

    About demography - it's generally a pearl! Putin should do this for you too ?! )))))))
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 5 May 2020 09: 43 New
    0
    politics is the art of the possible ... where power is there and the struggle for it ... a successful politician achieves his goals and due to the fact that he thinks one thing, says the other, does the third ... he thinks chickens in the fall ... probably Autumn has come ...
  • veritas
    veritas 5 May 2020 09: 51 New
    +1
    Putin “leaked” or “not leaked”: thoughts of a system analyst

    The result speaks for itself.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 10: 05 New
    -2
    Quote: Knights Templar
    Oh, a member of the sect of witnesses to nullify the constitution appeared :)
    Is your military-patriotic criticism lacking for anything more complicated than Ukraine?

    Since when did you begin to "understand" the Constitution of the Russian Federation, when until now you had no relation to it?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 11: 30 New
    -2
    Quote: Knights Templar
    Thanks, including to my participation in the events of 2014, this trend has appeared - to change the Constitution))))
    Then just two new subjects entered, now they decided to reset everything to the root.
    Yes, and figs with her, with this Constitution, the main thing is that you do not violate the regime of self-isolation .....

    I don’t know what you mean by your personal participation, but I have friends in Crimea who were also not aloof from these events and they welcome the fact that Crimea returned to Russia. But, as I understand it, the views on what happened with them differ from you.
    As for the Constitution, it is not clear how the bulk of the amendments are related to your "zeroing".
    Regarding self-isolation. Many people want to eat fish and do not soak pens. And this does not happen.
    Do not worry about my self-isolation. Thank God there is an opportunity to work remotely. This is not possible everywhere, unfortunately.
    But freedom is not permissiveness. On this score, we have a different understanding.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 12: 56 New
    -1
    Quote: Knights Templar
    Of course I understand everything ... well, it’s like there, I’m the daughter of an officer myself and all that.
    The question for you, Comrade Junior Lieutenant, is this:
    - As in five years, you can leave only 69 comments and become an officer in the VO, albeit a junior lieutenant?
    - Andrei, why the last time, you were on the site in 2016 and only returned yesterday after a four-year break?
    - Has the system decided to use "KremlinBots"?

    You approach the daughter of an officer more, because not here I hinted about participating in events. Is not it? Do you refuse to admit that most Crimeans welcome a return to Russia? And why can't I have friends in Crimea if I have been there since childhood?
    As for VO.
    Well, first of all, virtual titles don't bother me much and on what basis they are assigned here, too. Secondly, I don’t consider it obligatory to write something constantly from year to year. And the fact that I did not write anything does not say that I do not read VO. In addition, I do not consider myself deprived of something due to the fact that I did not participate in the "turbulent" life of VO.
    When I get back to the site, it's not for you to decide, right?
    You are here self-isolation, remember, offered me?
    Well, consider that I took your advice and decided to dilute the conversation until there was free time from the main work)))
    Your research is certainly laudable, but the logic is all broken. I spent time in vain))) I understand that some moments become uncomfortable for you. And after that I become a Kremlin boat. It’s not necessary to extol yourself so much that it’s direct that the whole System was preoccupied with your person, using his slender ranks)))
    No need to fidget in vain. Everything is fine ;)
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 13: 05 New
    -2
    Quote: Zmeelov
    Quote: Knights Templar
    - Andrei, why the last time, you were on the site in 2016 and only returned yesterday after a four-year break?
    - Has the system decided to use "KremlinBots"?

    Yes, he’s just tired of reading such liberoids as you have flooded the site here .. Forever aching and hating Russia and all that is connected with dreams ..
    Then your gang has already been created, which, like dogs, rushes if someone does not agree with them .. hi negative

    That's right!
    They captivated not only VO. Looks like it burns)))
    1. Husit
      Husit 5 May 2020 14: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Tagan
      That's right!
      They captivated not only VO. Looks like it burns)))

      In one place it burns, they did not justify the investments (grants of Soross) of certain forces in the collapse of Russia .. Here and atrocities are here!
      They get hung up and report constantly .. How many and who have been soaked here and humiliated .. And a thorough cap goes down their throats .. bully
      I have studied these here, as in the "Animal World" I know all the habits of cockroaches and other animals .. lol
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  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 13: 14 New
    -3
    Quote: Knights Templar

    How can I raise the rating by 3.600 points in a few minutes with two comments?

    Are these questions for me? Here the audience is of your kind and has not such "titles" and, as it were, nothing, right?))) Well, ask the administrator. ;)
    How indifferent to someone else's glory! Envy?))))
    1. Husit
      Husit 5 May 2020 14: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Tagan
      How indifferent to someone else's glory! Envy?))))

      Oh, how they are jealous of this, they are already screaming here and complaints are pouring, like from an Uzi machine ..))))
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 5 May 2020 17: 02 New
      +1
      Andrey, welcome.
      For the sake of curiosity, I looked at your statistics and a few posts above answered the pan hit.
      Perhaps he will scream that 8 generations of his ancestors lived in a village near Saratov, and he did not ride at all, never and never. But I figure these out at times. It really stinks of crony rotten meat.
      There is some experience. These clowns do not even understand when and how they are pierced.
      Good luck.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 5 May 2020 14: 28 New
    +1
    The provocation by weakness, I must say, worked. It even helped to weaken many structures associated with the defense of the United States. But what about the people? From a man-winner he was made a vanquished. It will haunt us for a long time. The late Dorenko wrote, “We didn’t fuck fathers so that their children would appear.” The time will come and the time will come and Yeltsin will be considered as the time of the main traitor. Someone poking around a golden toothpick in my mouth, assures us "And the time was good." As now, many nutritionists say that we eat the wrong way. Yes, we always eat foods of different quality. The main thing is to be together in soul.
    1. Husit
      Husit 5 May 2020 14: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: nikvic46
      The late Dorenko wrote

      He’s still a shifter and rolled over on a motorcycle, to see those to whom he sang along in the 90s .... God be his judge hi
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 14: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Knights Templar
    Of course, people who share liberal views with me, that is, the right to life, freedom, a fair trial and private property, do not fit into the modern model of feudal Russia that you are trying to defend.
    If everything suits you in this model, then even more so. Do not forget that I, as overlord, own the right to the first wedding night. Throw me a PM please whatsap ladies of your heart))))

    Oh how poked you! What girls run away from liberals?
    No, just do your own thing somehow))))
    Your entourage has nothing in common with the "liberal" views. With this definition, you are replacing ordinary extremism (and fascism).
    Something I do not remember a living example of the creation of our "liberal" representatives. You exalt your right to life above the absolute majority. But, all the more, and it is not for you to tell how to live the rest.
    Live calmly. Who is against it? Only at your own expense.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 15: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Husit
    Quote: Knights Templar
    Of course, people who share liberal views with me, that is, the right to life, freedom, a fair trial and private property, do not fit into the modern model of feudal Russia that you are trying to defend.

    Here read the men of these .. With such patterns Tsarist Russia and then the USSR were destroyed! And what do we have now? Already the rest of the empire of Russia, and again nagging and nagging, and again blood and robbery ..
    SMERSH needs to be created! soldier
    Stalin was right !!!!

    On their own, liberoids do little. The slogan "abroad will help us" is all of them. But the owners of this audience have their own serious problems. On the other hand, the liberal mass inside the country is already more and more difficult to bear. Therefore, we observe more and more stench and tantrums. Well that's okay. The process has begun)))
  • DVR
    DVR 5 May 2020 15: 23 New
    +2
    Sergey Solntsev said very well about liberals :) In these words, many of the commentators here are recognized.
  • Amateur
    Amateur 5 May 2020 16: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Knights Templar
    Of course, people who share liberal views with me, that is, the right to life, freedom, a fair trial and private property, do not fit into the modern model of feudal Russia that you are trying to defend.
    If everything suits you in this model, then even more so. Do not forget that I, as overlord, own the right to the first wedding night. Throw me in PM please whatsap ladies of your heart ))))

    In general, they began to write complete murk.
    Sysadmin! AU-U
    "Where are we going with Piglet ..."
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 17: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    Andrey, welcome.
    For the sake of curiosity, I looked at your statistics and a few posts above answered the pan hit.
    Perhaps he will scream that 8 generations of his ancestors lived in a village near Saratov, and he did not ride at all, never and never. But I figure these out at times. It really stinks of crony rotten meat.
    There is some experience. These clowns do not even understand when and how they are pierced.
    Good luck.

    Pirates salute! :)
    Thank. To be honest, I don’t even look at these statistics and do not worry. Neither one's own nor another's. There is nothing special to do now, so I decided to wedge myself.))) And then the liberot spread a swamp on a normal resource, which I often look through. You read some comments and want to tear up. What is in their head instead of brains ... Here you see, what moment - when the pan does not find what to answer, it begins to look for compromising evidence. He does not find incriminating evidence, but he still blames and hangs the cliches in an attempt to balance the forces. When breaks off, begins to be rude. Which we are observing. Predictable, in general.)))
    And good luck and health to you!
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 5 May 2020 18: 20 New
      +1
      I know all this well. But it’s good to beat compromising evidence with counter-compromising information, or rather dragging out the ear, and in the sun, which I did.
      You will laugh, but this bloke just wrote in PM. Zvizdel, that he was from Sevastopol, was planning depraved actions. In the forehead of anger the roof leaked profusely.
      But again, he blabbed, the wretched man blabbed. There are reasonable suspicions that about 7 years ago I already crossed paths with him. Visible bird droppings. It is a pity, I’m powerfully banned on the censor in the year 15. How I had fun there!
      In general, mutually good luck. Let's cross again.
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 5 May 2020 23: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Tagan
      And then Liberota spread a swamp on a normal resource

      You, of course, excuse me, but the resource itself condones what is happening in the comments !!! request wassat I registered here myself because of interesting discussions in the comments regarding the military sphere .... well ... well ... because of the smiles - it hurts they are so cool !!! lol but over time it turned into a political shop of pseudo-communists !!! wassat or rather, not with time, but during the presidential campaign !! negative
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2020 19: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: Pereira
    I know all this well. But it’s good to beat compromising evidence with counter-compromising information, or rather dragging out the ear, and in the sun, which I did.
    You will laugh, but this bloke just wrote in PM. Zvizdel, that he was from Sevastopol, was planning depraved actions. In the forehead of anger the roof leaked profusely.
    But again, he blabbed, the wretched man blabbed. There are reasonable suspicions that about 7 years ago I already crossed paths with him. Visible bird droppings. It is a pity, I’m powerfully banned on the censor in the year 15. How I had fun there!
    In general, mutually good luck. Let's cross again.

    A wonderful type ... Well, his health will not hurt. Mental)))
  • iouris
    iouris 5 May 2020 22: 37 New
    -1
    "Systems Analyst"??? And he also thinks. Well, think further.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 6 May 2020 06: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: Nikolai Grek
    Quote: Tagan
    And then Liberota spread a swamp on a normal resource

    You, of course, excuse me, but the resource itself condones what is happening in the comments !!! request wassat I registered here myself because of interesting discussions in the comments regarding the military sphere .... well ... well ... because of the smiles - it hurts they are so cool !!! lol but over time it turned into a political shop of pseudo-communists !!! wassat or rather, not with time, but during the presidential campaign !! negative

    Hello!
    Not that conniving, conniving, rather. These "citizens" have an inverted consciousness. As soon as the control is weakened, they immediately arrange a Sabbath and shit. Behind them an eye and an eye, as for the maddened one is needed. Coordinated actions are often observed. Then the topic becomes similar to the invasion of macaques (these "friends" would look at themselves from the outside).
    Although they are not so numerous in life, stinks generate many times more than their own weight.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 6 May 2020 09: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: sniperino
    Quote: Tagan
    Lying is not good
    This should be said to children before school, and here of those who bring lies, without haste, half are deceived themselves (these do not deceive), and half lie to others, but turning to the conscience of the latter is like convincing women with low social benefits. the responsibility that sex for money is bad: the chances of convincing them confidently tend to zero.

    Well, it’s rather a call to come to your senses, suddenly a person made an unintentional oversight)))
  • Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 6 May 2020 23: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Serg65
    If leftists, rightists, Nazis, anarchists unanimously sing "Putin go away", then this suggests that they have the same sponsor!

    Funny postulate. But startlingly stupid.
    Let's change it a little: if the left, right, Nazis, anarchists unanimously sing "it's dark at night, it's light during the day" - then they have the same sponsor.
    Surprisingly, both ardent supporters of GDP, and equally ardent opponents do not shine with their minds. Why's that?
  • Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 7 May 2020 07: 47 New
    0
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Article 3
    1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people

    In this fairy tale, one must stop believing first.
  • fif21
    fif21 20 May 2020 11: 30 New
    0
    The bureaucratic power merges Putin himself. Substitution with an increase in retirement age, May decrees .... Yes, and others seem to be good decisions of the President, it will make it so that people hear one thing from the media, but in reality they get another. It turns out that Putin is a talker? Or is it their game like this - the king is good, and the boyars are bad?
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 23 May 2020 10: 30 New
    0
    I have been for Putin for a long time. It seems to be an improvement, foreign policy. Then it got worse, the moronic remarks of his servants, workers. Then his friend Medvedev, again with dubious remarks. But when he says to the whole TV that he has no time to watch TV and the Internet, and even on TV through the main channels they started talking about a complete asshole in the country. Again, he does not see a return from the USSR, I do not need a similar Russia. In the Kremlin, distant education worked, but he didn’t. And what for Putin do I need? Yes, and the vast majority of Russians.
  • kig
    kig 28 May 2020 15: 17 New
    0
    Evolution, or what you can think of in 20 years
  • lubesky
    lubesky 8 June 2020 09: 42 New
    0
    Yes, it is useless to discuss Putin, he is only a person of a collegial body at most, an administrator and manager at a minimum, he can have a vote. We do not know and do not see a real management company - this is the problem. According to the decisions of the government and the authorities, we can draw some conclusions only at a distance in time and by results. According to the signs that I see, there is no place for ordinary people in our strategy (if any) of existence in the future. It looks like they are formatting us and waiting for a change of generations for the next planned "breakthrough". I am not a supporter of conspiracies and other things, however, for me, the bottom line is two iron facts - the "perestroika" project entered an active phase precisely in 85, when there was a change in generations of front-line soldiers, and the pension reform was precisely for the change of generations of Soviet citizens. worked for a long period of building socialism under the USSR, but still had at least a "moral" right to social welfare. Taking into account the horizons of these planning and their steady implementation on time, it means that both those "elites" and these "elites" possess the skill and will of long-term planning.