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In the Czech Republic, the CZ BREN 2 BR rifle was called the “best automatic weapon”

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Czech manufacturer of small arms weapons CZ without much modesty decided to call the updated version of the assault rifle CZ BREN 2 BR "the best automatic weapon." According to the manufacturer, this rifle, created under the cartridge of NATO caliber 7,62x51 mm, has "high efficiency combined with ease of use and ergonomics."


It is clear that the manufacturer, by definition, must praise its products, but still the statement "about the best automatic weapons" in relation to the rifle is more than a bold step. And it needs to be supported by some weighty arguments. However, the Czech manufacturer has serious problems with arguments.

In the Czech Republic, the CZ BREN 2 BR rifle was called the “best automatic weapon”For wide distribution CZ BREN 2 BR is hardly suitable initially. Weapons can be used by special units, for example, in counter-terrorism operations. However, there is a nuance here. This is the capacity of the CZ MAG store type AR-10. It makes 25 rounds. Therefore, in conditions of intensive combat use, a fighter will have to frankly value ammunition. And the manufacturer in the 25-round magazine sees a plus. It consists, according to people from CZ, in that it allows an assault rifle to maintain a relatively small mass. It is about 3,77 kg. This mass is ensured by the use of aluminum alloy 7075 T6.

The manufacturer notes that the created assault rifle chambered for NATO 7,62x51 mm "outperforms competitors in effective range and impact on the target."



In the Czech Republic itself, the rifle is called the "Czech response to Kalashnikov." In the fall of 2018, the manufacturer of these weapons released a video in which the reliability of the CZ BREN 2 BR was demonstrated. The assault rifle was watered, buried in sand, dropped from a height of 10 m, and subjected to low temperatures.



Then it was announced that all tests CZ BREN 2 BR passed. However, independent experts, who subsequently got the opportunity to use this Czech assault rifle, note that one of the significant disadvantages (in addition to the high cost of weapons in comparison with analogues) is the high degree of return and stability problems - the rifle barrel leads upwards to a significant angle, which affects firing accuracy. By the way, this can be seen in the frames of the video.
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  1. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 3 May 2020 17: 44 New
    +8
    And what kind of Czechs could be called even better? surprising .. his ..
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 3 May 2020 17: 49 New
      +3
      Let her throw in the mud wink
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 3 May 2020 18: 14 New
        16
        And why, boasting that they shoot beyond the competition, compared with a weaker cartridge and even a smaller caliber?
        It is necessary to compare with machines for the same cartridge.
        For example, AK-308, sighting range of 1000 meters
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 3 May 2020 18: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: To be or not to be
          Let her throw in the mud wink

          In fact, there is "throwing in the mud" in the video. Only some strange, more like tinted water, with the addition of heavy sand than real mud.
        2. Alexfly
          Alexfly 3 May 2020 19: 09 New
          -11
          Why not 2 km, sighting range AK?
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 3 May 2020 19: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: AlexFly
            Why not 2 km, sighting range AK?

            So because a NATO cartridge soldier
            1. Alexfly
              Alexfly 5 May 2020 12: 41 New
              0
              Do not confuse lethal force with sighting range, please!
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 5 May 2020 17: 15 New
                0
                Quote: AlexFly
                Do not confuse lethal force with sighting range, please!

                Understand sarcasm, please
        3. V.I.P.
          V.I.P. 3 May 2020 21: 11 New
          -4
          Sighting range and effective fire are different. The AK 74 has an aiming range of 1 km, and an effective fire of 350 m .... and further from it you will not get into anyone .. SVD effective fire of -600 m
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 3 May 2020 22: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: V.I.P.
            and effective fire 350m

            Well, actually, on any small arms, the firing range from an open sight is 400m, just then the target is already closed by an aiming device ... and you can precisely point it out only with experience .. not small.
            Two ... the story is about caliber 7.62x51, not 5.45x39 ..
            Here you can take PKM as the basis .. the thing has long been known and tested. And adjusting the range for stability and barrel length .. about 1 km and we get, only the optical sight is needed ..
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 4 May 2020 00: 53 New
            +6
            Quote: V.I.P.
            Sighting range and effective fire are different. The AK 74 has an aiming range of 1 km, and an effective fire of 350 m .... and further from it you will not get into anyone .. SVD effective fire of -600 m

            I fought with AKMS. I still remember the number by heart. I know where and how the Kalash shoots in practice.
            Have you read the TTX on Wikipedia?
            1. ROSS_51
              ROSS_51 4 May 2020 10: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Quote: V.I.P.
              Sighting range and effective fire are different. The AK 74 has an aiming range of 1 km, and an effective fire of 350 m .... and further from it you will not get into anyone .. SVD effective fire of -600 m

              I fought with AKMS. I still remember the number by heart. I know where and how the Kalash shoots in practice.
              Have you read the TTX on Wikipedia?

              Will you tell us? And then I was talking with a super-border guard who, with an AK-74 at 750 meters, struck moving targets at competitions and rubbed me in for a long time about the Archangel special cartridges with some kind of improved ballistics.
              1. ProkletyiPirat
                ProkletyiPirat 4 May 2020 23: 23 New
                0
                "special cartridges with improved ballistics" and even for border guards, well, well, well. fellow
                So, most likely, they just took a classic cartridge and changed the MVV hitch and / or the detonation process of the powder => which changed the speed of the bullet along the barrel => the deformation of the bullet changed after exiting the barrel (the ballistics became better on the longer / shorter barrel) Nuance This "improvement" is that the ballistics of a weapon chambered for the same cartridge but with a different length and / or different grooves will be completely different and, as a rule, much worse than the "average" one.
                In general, it’s better for me not to chase such tactical advantages in automatic weapons, because they are conditional and not constant, and even often lead to a deterioration in the reliability of weapons.
          3. About 2
            About 2 4 May 2020 02: 29 New
            +2
            350 meters with AKM and AK 103, with AK 74 -440 meters, the limit of effective firing range True, all this is not true for ordinary soldiers since they are trained to shoot them 100 meters while they are not taught and they show how to shoot no more.
            1. Archon
              Archon 4 May 2020 04: 16 New
              0
              especially when the grass is tall and the target is not visible, then you just shoot somewhere in that direction and some even hit
            2. ROSS_51
              ROSS_51 4 May 2020 10: 42 New
              0
              Quote: Approximately 2
              350 meters with AKM and AK 103, with AK 74 -440 meters, the limit of effective firing range True, all this is not true for ordinary soldiers since they are trained to shoot them 100 meters while they are not taught and they show how to shoot no more.

              What army did you serve in this way? Um .. a simple soldier ..
          4. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 4 May 2020 17: 35 New
            0
            Specialist!!! There’s nothing to argue.
        4. Hagen
          Hagen 4 May 2020 10: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Shurik70
          It is necessary to compare with machines for the same cartridge.

          Under the screw cartridge we have a PK (Pecheneg). It has long been recognized in practice that combat with the use of small arms by infantry, as a rule, at distances of up to 400 meters. Therefore, they did not make an automatic machine for 7,62x54, but made an intermediate cartridge. Here will be CZ BREN 2 BR a dozen conflicts of different tensions, then the assessment can be voiced. Practice, as the classics said, is the criterion of truth. In the meantime, all these exclamations about "better" are just childish wet dreams.
      2. Kathernik
        Kathernik 3 May 2020 18: 22 New
        +2
        - And they do not get out of it ..... )))
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 3 May 2020 18: 27 New
          12
          In the Czech Republic, the CZ BREN 2 BR rifle was called the “best automatic weapon”
          I'm in the garden, made the best toilet in the world. IMHO.
          1. Nadrub
            Nadrub 3 May 2020 19: 41 New
            0
            And the bedrooms! And take off the vidosik, we won’t believe it :)
    2. L-39NG
      L-39NG 3 May 2020 23: 27 New
      -2
      Do you know. We respect "Kalashnikov", but so that we would call something "our answer to Kalashnikov", not so much we ceased to respect ourselves. We do not answer, but they catch up with us.
    3. iouris
      iouris 3 May 2020 23: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      And what kind of Czechs could be called even better?

      Everyone does it.
  2. Amateur
    Amateur 3 May 2020 17: 52 New
    +4
    In the Czech Republic itself, the rifle is called "the Czech answer to Kalashnikov."

    And at least someone took it into service or even bought it?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 May 2020 18: 05 New
      +6
      December 11, 2018 in Budapest in the Petofi barracks with the participation of Minister of Defense of Hungary Benko Tibora, the ceremony of handing over the military police of the Hungarian armed forces to the first batch of the new Czech-style small arms assembled at Hungarian company NM Arsenal in Kiskunfeledhaz. Were transferred the first batch of 5,56 mm automatic rifles CZ 806 BREN 2, 9 mm submachine guns SCORPION EVO 3 and pistols R-07 and R-09. Thus, the process of re-equipping the Hungarian armed forces with a new generation of small arms was launched.

      Previously, these development samples of the Czech company Ceska Zbrojovka (CZ) were selected Hungarian Ministry of Defense as standard systems small arms The whole agreement provides for the possibility of release up to 2028 on the Arsenal NM up to 200 thousand weapons under the CZ license, including with the right to export.


      Small parties went to Asia:



      Field Marshal Sisi purchased a large batch of various versions (mostly 7,62x39) - for the Airborne Forces, Special Forces, Army Intelligence, Marines, etc.
      1. V.I.P.
        V.I.P. 4 May 2020 19: 17 New
        0
        I wonder why the field marshal did not buy AK? I bought these. Kalash is cheaper ....
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 3 May 2020 19: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Amateur
      In the Czech Republic itself, the rifle is called "the Czech answer to Kalashnikov."

      And at least someone took it into service or even bought it?

      hi
      Everything is correct. That's when the militants, of all stripes and continents, will hunt for this "best weapon", like a Kalash, paying any money, then, yes! winked Then these boxed gloves promoted in the video ... don’t be for nothing No.
      1. L-39NG
        L-39NG 3 May 2020 20: 25 New
        -3
        For Kalashnikov not hunt. They are everywhere in bulk. This ... the device, even in Pakistan, is doing a file on the street. And slingshots on tin balls can do. For the masses. And the price to them.
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 4 May 2020 00: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Amateur
      In the Czech Republic itself, the rifle is called "the Czech answer to Kalashnikov."

      And at least someone took it into service or even bought it?

      "Kalash" half of the world is at war, and this "answer" in six months someone will remember?
  3. svp67
    svp67 3 May 2020 17: 56 New
    +7
    Well, the Czech "gnomes" at all times were famous for their weapons, even being part of the Internal Affairs Directorate, their army was armed not with "Kalashnikovs", but with their own assault rifle, by the way, not bad enough, but for this development I would not even give them "Cs" set...
    However, independent experts, who subsequently got the opportunity to use this Czech assault rifle, note that one of the significant disadvantages (in addition to the high cost of weapons in comparison with analogues) is the high degree of return and stability problems - the rifle barrel leads upwards to a significant angle, which affects firing accuracy. By the way, this can be seen in the frames of the video.
    Moreover, it is clearly visible, so it will be quite difficult to get somewhere in the target from it. And if they so much managed to lighten the very design of the weapon, then it is clear that the military will immediately compensate for this gain with additional ammunition, and if so, then this could immediately be solved by introducing a magazine for 50 or 70 rounds into the equipment of the rifle ... that would be stabilized the weapon slightly on recoil and would turn this rifle into a light machine gun. But they WILL NOT be able to do this, since the short and "light" barrel already "works" in a very loaded thermal regime, look how it smokes when firing just one store in bursts, after being in the sand
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 3 May 2020 18: 19 New
      +7
      I once revered the memories of those who fought in Yugoslavia in the 90s. Czech machines were called the fact that nothing was worse at all. First of all, for low survivability.
      1. svp67
        svp67 3 May 2020 18: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: mmaxx
        First of all, for low survivability.


        1. L-39NG
          L-39NG 3 May 2020 23: 20 New
          -2
          Vidio - "debriefing". What did you mean? What you are allowed to buy is what you use. And who is selling it to you? For lack of fish ... And do not mix. Just for fun. Where are you, from whom do you buy?
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      3. L-39NG
        L-39NG 3 May 2020 23: 12 New
        -3
        I apologize. I will write again, without a masked mat and thanks for the warning. Usually this is forgiven to many.
        You're lying, sir. I'll write again. Even during the tests, the AK47 and the Czech Vz.58 were compared. The failures are the same, the Vz.58 is better than the AK, the accuracy of the Vz.58 is better than the AK. Draftees from villages study equally.
        Read the GRAU reports.
        And the question. The name - Czech "gnomes" is not an insult and is not a reason to delete the comment?
        1. Archon
          Archon 4 May 2020 04: 23 New
          +1
          most likely not, because mythologically, the gnomes are weapons, which appeared as a result of strange translations by the dwarf due to the absence of such a word in the Russian language. but why gnomes is unknown
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 4 May 2020 06: 22 New
          0
          Well, our GRAU and German machine guns were considered bad.
        3. mmaxx
          mmaxx 4 May 2020 06: 29 New
          +1
          On this site, Czechs are loved. Any hints in their direction are removed.
        4. aws4
          aws4 4 May 2020 09: 28 New
          0
          Good morning!!! Would you mind throwing a link to these reports or the reports themselves? I would be grateful to you !!!
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    2. Alexfly
      Alexfly 3 May 2020 19: 16 New
      -5
      AK also has thin trunks, so what?
      1. svp67
        svp67 3 May 2020 19: 28 New
        +6
        Quote: AlexFly
        AK also has thin trunks, so what?

        But apparently not so much ... he still withstands more intense shooting and begins to smoke after at least the third at a time released continuous store bursts
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 5 May 2020 12: 38 New
          0
          The same thing, 2-3 stores and stocks went, you can’t argue against chemistry ...
    3. L-39NG
      L-39NG 3 May 2020 20: 42 New
      -13
      Why should we put marks? Come, take a gun to the shooting range, shoot, then you will praise the AK, if conscience allows.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 4 May 2020 01: 03 New
        +6
        Quote: L-39NG
        Come, take a gun to the shooting range, shoot, then you will praise the AK, if conscience allows.

        My AKMS saved my life so many times that I lost count.

        My conscience praise the designer Kalashnikov and his machine gun allows.

        And yes - a lot of what he shot in the army, and after. Now there are a lot of things in the safe - I’m just able to arm the unit to the teeth. And still, conscience allows.
  4. poquello
    poquello 3 May 2020 18: 02 New
    +4
    Czechs forgot about the Chinese, the Chinese have all the best))))))))))))))
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 May 2020 18: 06 New
    +5
    How many of these best in the world have been released, and if you also fall asleep in the sand and bathe dirty in the water. And what will happen?
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 3 May 2020 19: 08 New
      0
      Well, here, too, they sprinkled it in the sand, only it’s nothing good. It is important that the resistance to pollution and icing during firing, and not in idle time ...
      1. sedoj
        sedoj 3 May 2020 22: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
        Well, here, too, they sprinkled it in the sand, only it’s nothing good.

        There is one caveat: during sand and dirt processing, the cartridge was already in the chamber, so that dirt and sand could only get into the barrel. And this is a completely different story.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 4 May 2020 05: 33 New
        +2
        Seriously, here somehow I happened to watch a video of our correspondents from Afghanistan, they recalled the affairs of the past days with former Mujahideen. Well, our questions were thrown, in the sense of what about weapons now? So this former sand raked his foot, Kalashnikov took it out, tapped it with his hand, shook off the dust and drove the line into the sky, he immediately hit it. lol So they are not very concerned about storage conditions.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 4 May 2020 06: 04 New
          0
          Yes, YouTube is full of such videos, but they don’t show the real situation. Here is a dust chamber with particles of a sufficiently small mass size, due to which they easily rise into the air, including inside the receiver, this is really a dirt-stability test. Only in the conditions of such a chamber does the dust fall on moving parts and crumple into larger grains when grease and powder gases enter.
  6. knn54
    knn54 3 May 2020 18: 08 New
    +2
    - the rifle was watered,
    But they did not dare to just throw them into water.
    1. lwxx
      lwxx 3 May 2020 18: 30 New
      +6
      Add: put in dry ice without a store. In AK, the test takes place in full gear.
  7. Avior
    Avior 3 May 2020 18: 17 New
    -3
    It makes 25 rounds. Therefore, in conditions of intensive combat use, a fighter will have to frankly value ammunition.

    maybe give another store to a fighter with intensive combat use?
    stability issues - the rifle barrel takes you up a significant angle

    this is not visible in the video
    1. svp67
      svp67 3 May 2020 22: 16 New
      +7
      Quote: Avior
      this is not visible in the video

      Oh, how it throws the barrel, it’s perfectly visible during the shot, maybe you’re not looking there?
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 May 2020 22: 53 New
        -3
        I look from 0.50, I don't see there "up at a significant angle"
        recoil is strong with such and such a cartridge 7,62 × 51 next in line, not a joke, I do not argue, you cannot call the barrel motionless, but so that "at a significant angle" I can not see it.

        hi
      2. Avior
        Avior 3 May 2020 23: 18 New
        +2
        look at 1.43, there is a close-up
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 4 May 2020 01: 10 New
        +6
        Quote: svp67
        maybe you are not looking there?

        Sergei, from Israel, it is, of course, more visible to Aviora that all Russian is r ... Those are also experts in Russophobia. Genetically ....
    2. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 4 May 2020 17: 44 New
      0
      Look again, I immediately drew attention to this. But the specialist is shooting. I wanted to go on this occasion, but was late.
  8. Machete
    Machete 3 May 2020 18: 18 New
    +6
    Yes, for seventy years it was possible to create something similar to Kalash.
    Over the years, now all and sundry boast that their weapons are like Kalash in reliability. Which is unlikely.
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 4 May 2020 00: 09 New
      -5
      In terms of reliability, they caught up, and in terms of accuracy they surpassed, That's the main thing
      1. About 2
        About 2 4 May 2020 02: 22 New
        +1
        Read about the tests in Pakistan, the brand is far from reliable in terms of reliability.
  9. marchcat
    marchcat 3 May 2020 18: 39 New
    -1
    the rifle was watered, buried in sand, dropped from a height of 10 m, subjected to low temperatures
    But she still doesn’t want to shoot (joke) lol It doesn’t look bad.
  10. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 3 May 2020 18: 46 New
    +7
    I remember only 2 different devices from CHZet, not counting a moped) This is a carbine that they made for Wehrmacht mountain rangers and a CHZet-75 pistol. And this product does not seem good even after watching the commercial. And by the way, something increasingly often the troops of all countries refuse weapons of ridiculous caliber. But 7,62x51, in my opinion, is too much.
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 4 May 2020 00: 17 New
      -2
      There is no mixed caliber, it is possible to order from the supplier what you need.
      And 7,62x54 is not too much? Now 7,62x51 is not for everyone, but for Marxmanns in the field, instead of or like SVD
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 4 May 2020 08: 05 New
        +4
        I said FUNNY caliber. Not mixed. 5,56, 5,45 ... And this rifle does not seem to be a weapon of the "Marksman" (by the way, what is it? There is no such word in the Russian language), but as a common weapon declared. Type to replace the "little things". So don't stick around 7,62x54. This patron in its niche will survive your grandchildren
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 4 May 2020 01: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      I remember only 2 different devices from CHZet, not counting the moped)

      I was just waiting for someone to remember about the moped. drinks
      It would be better if they did mopeds ...
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 4 May 2020 17: 48 New
        +1
        And Java ... And then the Chinese have already begun ... to overtake.
  11. senima56
    senima56 3 May 2020 18: 51 New
    +6
    Indeed, the "high impact" is clearly visible in the video footage! Big MINUS!
  12. orionvitt
    orionvitt 3 May 2020 18: 58 New
    +4
    There is nothing like leather.
  13. Incompetent
    Incompetent 3 May 2020 19: 17 New
    +5
    Yes, you in the video look at the return, despite the fact that this is a specialist! How the average infantryman will go nuts from firing with such a powerful cartridge ... I would understand if they could create a balanced automation in which the recoil was compensated by so much that it was compared to the AK12 caliber 5,45, then it’s convenient and it would be the best machine gun, and after 2 stores plaster the shoulder is not ice
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 3 May 2020 21: 03 New
      -4
      Just like the average infantryman was fucking firing from firing a Mosin rifle or a three-ruler and from SVD.
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 3 May 2020 23: 08 New
        +5
        So they do not beat in bursts And then you would have compared with SVT40) -Ura level of arms 80ty years ago surpassed)))
        1. L-39NG
          L-39NG 3 May 2020 23: 55 New
          -6
          And we are not taught to let ammunition into the white light, but to work with the trigger and the eye. Two quick shots at the target single and that's enough, call dvojstřel - double shot. Reality is not a movie about fascists with endless bursts of MP 40. Not children, however.
          1. awdrgy
            awdrgy 4 May 2020 00: 09 New
            +3
            Then you need some other weapon (that is, there is no point in making it automatic) This kind of thinking was just among many military leaders during the First World War. It is also characteristic of sportsmen hunters and (possibly) some representatives of law enforcement agencies (however, in this case, the weapon serves to performing very specific tasks, and even more so it is incorrect to compare it with the AK, which is in some sense a "universal weapon" and, first of all, an army one) And a double tap is just about shooting bottles under the grill with whiskar "not for children"
          2. L-39NG
            L-39NG 4 May 2020 01: 47 New
            -3
            I forgot to add - more from the PCA
          3. mmaxx
            mmaxx 4 May 2020 06: 35 New
            +1
            The jester knows him. I haven’t been to the war. But in many frames of modern warfare, when it comes down to business, they are watered without aiming. It is impossible to stick out. A person does not need more than one bullet. Well, go on, you’ll burn cartridges in millions.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 May 2020 21: 25 New
      -3
      If there was a strong return, then they could not cuddle
      cheek to the butt. So the barrel does not toss up after a shot.
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 3 May 2020 23: 13 New
        +4
        It’s possible to snuggle up to the question of what will happen next to the cheek. By the way, on the vidos (slow motion) you can see how she walks with the warrior as a shaker. I thought he wouldn’t shake his teeth with himself, otherwise it will be a boxer shooter)))
  14. alone
    alone 3 May 2020 19: 27 New
    +3
    Have you ever seen or heard about a cook who would praise someone else’s soup? recourse I honestly admit - I have not seen .. Maybe someone saw or heard, I do not ... Here the same
  15. Ural Cossack
    Ural Cossack 3 May 2020 19: 42 New
    +8
    For a single fire, weapons are not bad. But for automatic fire, a complete Mr. And a little more classics. The cartridge 7,62x51 308. (NATO) as in Chapaevsky found 7,62x54 slow rifle powder designed for a long-barrel rifle or machine gun. There, the bullet stabilizes well and picks up maximum speed due to the length of the barrel. Here the barrel is somewhere around 420mm. In this regard, the question to the manufacturer is why a short barrel of weapons if 1/3 of the powder flies out not burnt. And the initial speed of the bullet is not significantly higher than our Kalash under 7,62x39 (where the cartridge has fast gunpowder). But our Kalash wins in return. He doesn’t throw him like those grief shooters in the video. Where to fire the line? I do not understand. Something like this.
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 4 May 2020 00: 03 New
      -2
      However, as for automatic fire 7,62x39. AK at 50m in combat on a machine gun, maybe the first bullet flies at the target, and then, as the classic writes, "not even at me, but in my direction."
      1. aws4
        aws4 4 May 2020 09: 38 New
        0
        That's it with this your komentom I agree to all 100% .. in fact on AK in caliber 762 automatic fire is needed only at close range shoot ..
    2. Alexfly
      Alexfly 5 May 2020 12: 36 New
      0
      You can not compare 7,62x39 and 7,62x51! This is a completely different ammunition, dear!
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 May 2020 20: 04 New
    +1
    The Czechs were notable gunsmiths and had their answer to the Ak47 7,62x39. But they supplied themselves, well done, you need to be able to export .... there are a lot of competitors to NATO countries. Let them not be in NATO.
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 3 May 2020 20: 18 New
      0
      No. There are not many competitors in the technique, here the competition is in who knows how and how to sell.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 May 2020 22: 25 New
        +3
        Jews, Belgians, Germans ... this is without AK and its derivatives ... more Poles.
  17. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 3 May 2020 20: 20 New
    +5
    Oh, let yourself be amused, may there be better and more beautiful and the rest blah blah.
  18. Azazelo
    Azazelo 3 May 2020 20: 31 New
    +2
    This is until the soldier gets wet and then freezes ...
  19. businessv
    businessv 3 May 2020 20: 47 New
    +2
    In the Czech Republic itself, the rifle is called "the Czech answer to Kalashnikov."
    Frankly speaking: the answer is so-so! Weak answer, not much better than AKM, only with Piccatini strap and less weight. Not weak leads to the sky, just like ours in the last century! True, there is cartridge 51, not 39, but this disease causes a lot of inconvenience. smile
    1. oldzek
      oldzek 4 May 2020 16: 15 New
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      but for me, this answer is not to Kalashnikov, but to Mosin. but of course they know better ...
  20. Peter is not the first
    Peter is not the first 3 May 2020 20: 56 New
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    I watched the video. The work of the director and cameraman is impressive. winked And ours, too, are buried in water, in sand and in mud with an already placed cartridge in the chamber? Or they first pollute, and then reload and shoot.
    1. foreign spy
      foreign spy 8 May 2020 10: 54 New
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      what to be attached to commercials. Those who will purchase these weapons carry out their full-fledged tests as they need.
  21. John22
    John22 3 May 2020 21: 16 New
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    Judging by the rollers, a good carbine. Czechs have a good design school. Carabiner in different calibres. The cartridge of 7,62x51 mm is certainly more powerful, therefore the recoil is more significant. This Bren 2 was created not from scratch, but by finalizing the previous CZ 805. That is, has been operating experience for 9 years. All the flaws got out and there was something to improve: reduced weight, improved balance, increased reliability. I am only confused by the through slot in the receiver under the cocking handle of the shutter. Is sand and dirt not getting there? Well, only combat use will show the excellent qualities of the new Bren. I think so.
  22. Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 3 May 2020 21: 38 New
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    However, independent experts, who subsequently got the opportunity to use this Czech assault rifle, note that one of the significant disadvantages (in addition to the high cost of weapons in comparison with analogues) is the high degree of return and stability problems - the rifle barrel leads upwards to a significant angle, which affects firing accuracy. By the way, this can be seen in the frames of the video.
    Independent experts are probably the author of himself. Well, the author's claims to recoil are in vain because there is a rifle cartridge, and not an intermediate submachine gun. This cartridge is analogous to the standard SVD cartridge. It is striking how a person, having found fault with what he saw in the video, turns into "However, independent specialists who later got the opportunity to use this Czech machine gun ..."
    1. About 2
      About 2 4 May 2020 02: 15 New
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      Dear specialist, our cartridge 7,62x54 is more powerful than the NATO 7,62x51, even the length of the sleeve shows. The author didn’t say anything seditious, he simply stated a fact. Even on the FN FAL rifle, the automatic mode was removed because of the excess power of the cartridge 7,62x51 fire.
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 4 May 2020 12: 13 New
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        Correctly, their volume differs in favor of a conical Russian one, only if we had an automatic machine for this cartridge, there would be no automatic fire either. Example ABC-36 and ABT ....
        In Russia, in general, there are big problems with cartridges, or rather with their variety .. Reason? The lack of a civilian market and the presence of hunting weapons in military calibers ... But this is a separate conversation ..
        1. Carnifexx
          Carnifexx 4 May 2020 13: 22 New
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          In Russia, in general, there are big problems with cartridges, or rather with their variety .. Reason? The lack of a civilian market and the presence of hunting weapons in military calibers ... But this is a separate conversation ..
          What for??? They poured salt over my wounds again. The market is not so absent, rather, there is little competition for us, there are high duties and, on the whole, a small payment population. And these 5 years of owning a smooth-bore, I don’t understand why.
          1. Alexfly
            Alexfly 4 May 2020 17: 07 New
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            And what about the duties? To produce for ourselves and for ourselves. Prohibit the use of shelling bullets for hunting, go from 7,62x39 to more powerful cartridges. Smoothbore? This is for upland and waterfowl, bunnies, foxes maybe. Everything else is rifled, and from 2500 J ...
            1. Carnifexx
              Carnifexx 4 May 2020 17: 23 New
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              I am not against a smooth-bore, it is simply not clear why to limit the purchase of rifled so as to own a smooth-bore 5 years
      2. Carnifexx
        Carnifexx 4 May 2020 13: 19 New
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        What am I saying wrong? I said the analogue, and the difference between 7,62x54 and 7,62x51 is 200 J, against the background of a power of ~ 3600 J it's a bit like for me.
        A rifle cartridge will have a corresponding recoil, and then an even lighter rifle, in comparison with the same SVD (> 4kg). When they talk about a high degree of recoil (or small), these are always comparative characteristics, and here the Czech automaton cannot be called having problems with stability. Even against the background of the SR-25 Knight's Armament, this one looks worthy. I hope you don’t take KA for fools at least.
      3. sh3roman
        sh3roman 5 May 2020 09: 55 New
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        Not much and more powerful, a couple of percent
  23. Vitaliy Zalutsky
    Vitaliy Zalutsky 3 May 2020 21: 48 New
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    The thumb of the left hand, the shooter is forced to lay down on top of the civier, on the sighting line! This is normal?
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 May 2020 23: 17 New
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      he has a pretty high scope, look at 1.43
    2. Carnifexx
      Carnifexx 4 May 2020 13: 22 New
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      This is a sporty grip, so it's very normal.
  24. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 4 May 2020 00: 39 New
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    Something she apparently reminded me of ACR ...
    1. Carnifexx
      Carnifexx 4 May 2020 13: 23 New
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      RIP, apparently with CZ with their modular automatic machine things are going better.
  25. About 2
    About 2 4 May 2020 02: 05 New
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    Not so long ago, Bran participated in tests in Pakistan, I really don’t know the caliber, but it doesn’t change the essence, along with the Belgian skar they are inferior in reliability to our AK 103. So let Vlasov’s lovers not lie.
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 5 May 2020 12: 34 New
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      Only in reliability and lose, although this is also a question .. And the rest?
  26. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 4 May 2020 06: 13 New
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    Yes, a rifle under the 7,62x51 cartridge cannot conduct effective automatic fire. Only a machine gun on the machine.
  27. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 4 May 2020 14: 30 New
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    Quote: Sahalinets
    Yes, a rifle under the 7,62x51 cartridge cannot conduct effective automatic fire. Only a machine gun on the machine.

    here I agree! The Americans refused the M-14 for the same reason, and we have the ABC-36. FN-FAL already said
  28. Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 4 May 2020 17: 55 New
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    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: L-39NG
    Come, take a gun to the shooting range, shoot, then you will praise the AK, if conscience allows.

    My AKMS saved my life so many times that I lost count.

    My conscience praise the designer Kalashnikov and his machine gun allows.

    And yes - a lot of what he shot in the army, and after. Now there are a lot of things in the safe - I’m just able to arm the unit to the teeth. And still, conscience allows.
    Only the floor of the department, the rest of the 5th caps with earflaps, sheepskin coats, sashes and shotguns. Although, in principle, if you take a look at it, then a shot at a short shot is a long line from a machine gun, the peasants will do it.

    He served most of the time with AKMS, a reliable machine in terms of reliability, but far from the best, there was nothing to compare. AK has long been out of date, you need to understand that this is a child of the Second World War, and we are going to celebrate 75 years of victory ...

    Specially retreated. THINK that during this time even a small Czech Republic was able to give birth to a very decent machine gun, and not the first one, and we still can’t give anything even close to this Czech and are only looking for flaws in other people's shooting systems, demonstrating not the best qualities of anthropoids. Our heroes gunsmiths collected a lot of samples, and with a short piston stroke, and a bulpap, etc., etc., but when it is not easy to take in your hands, and even just look at these clumsy pieces of iron - only interjections. Reliable weapons and ergonomics are not mutually exclusive concepts.

    About the return. Well .308, the hunting option 7,62x51 is available to many, the Akmoids / Kalashoids for this caliber are also a shaft, shoot - the result will be even worse. Many countries adopted 5,56x45 only for arming the police and special forces, leaving the army 7,62x51, the latter dictated by quite practical considerations related to the terrain, altitudes, vegetation, etc. In addition, the production of a single ammunition 7,62x51 for the assault rifle line, a single machine gun, a sniper rifle is also easier.
    By the way, the Czechs at one time developed a single ammunition-weapon system. IMHO, it turned out only for the Germans with their semi-free bolt system - and an assault rifle in various versions, and a machine gun, and a sniper rifle, and a machine gun (a single essentially construction, but with a pistol cartridge, of course).

    I had to read for a long time about the reliability of our Mosinsky system and its advantages over Mauser, BUT ... somehow it turns out that the whole world is dumb ... and here we are geniuses, because the Mauser system is still alive and is produced, and not only in hunting and sports weapons, and Mosinka ... well, only that we empty our warehouses by selling rifles over a hill at the price of scrap metal.

    PS About the armament of the compartment from the safe, once again ... When I see Saigi and Vepri, in addition to the mat, nothing is born in my mind when I see these freaks, it is outdated as a military weapon, but as a hunting weapon, well, I need to be very far from hunting and traditions, so that look at this disgrace.
  29. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 4 May 2020 17: 58 New
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    You can evaluate it when the image of this product appears on the flag of a country and small ones run with the name ... Kalash almost wrote.
  30. priboy57
    priboy57 4 May 2020 22: 12 New
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    Show-off on the kinukha. When shooting from a "cold" rifle, the shooter is not shown, who should be pressed with his cheek to the butt. At minus 60, Karl! A rifle with a sent cartridge and a magazine in the receiver are placed in the sand and mud. The Czechs screwed up the same way as with Marshal Konev.
  31. Prisoner
    Prisoner 4 May 2020 23: 02 New
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    When they start copying to the right and to the left all over the world, then we will think "the answer to Kalashnikov" or not. In the meantime, let them amuse themselves.
  32. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 8 May 2020 16: 12 New
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    Come on, better. After frost, the store pulled out of his pocket sticking means a lot. First they shoot in single bursts of this Kalashnikov told this chip. .KAKA