In the Czech Republic, the CZ BREN 2 BR rifle was called the “best automatic weapon”


Czech manufacturer of small arms weapons CZ without much modesty decided to call the updated version of the assault rifle CZ BREN 2 BR "the best automatic weapon." According to the manufacturer, this rifle, created under the cartridge of NATO caliber 7,62x51 mm, has "high efficiency combined with ease of use and ergonomics."


It is clear that the manufacturer, by definition, must praise its products, but still the statement "about the best automatic weapons" in relation to the rifle is more than a bold step. And it needs to be supported by some weighty arguments. However, the Czech manufacturer has serious problems with arguments.

In the Czech Republic, the CZ BREN 2 BR rifle was called the “best automatic weapon”For wide distribution CZ BREN 2 BR is hardly suitable initially. Weapons can be used by special units, for example, in counter-terrorism operations. However, there is a nuance here. This is the capacity of the CZ MAG store type AR-10. It makes 25 rounds. Therefore, in conditions of intensive combat use, a fighter will have to frankly value ammunition. And the manufacturer in the 25-round magazine sees a plus. It consists, according to people from CZ, in that it allows an assault rifle to maintain a relatively small mass. It is about 3,77 kg. This mass is ensured by the use of aluminum alloy 7075 T6.

The manufacturer notes that the created assault rifle chambered for NATO 7,62x51 mm "outperforms competitors in effective range and impact on the target."



In the Czech Republic itself, the rifle is called the "Czech response to Kalashnikov." In the fall of 2018, the manufacturer of these weapons released a video in which the reliability of the CZ BREN 2 BR was demonstrated. The assault rifle was watered, buried in sand, dropped from a height of 10 m, and subjected to low temperatures.



Then it was announced that all tests CZ BREN 2 BR passed. However, independent experts, who subsequently got the opportunity to use this Czech assault rifle, note that one of the significant disadvantages (in addition to the high cost of weapons in comparison with analogues) is the high degree of return and stability problems - the rifle barrel leads upwards to a significant angle, which affects firing accuracy. By the way, this can be seen in the frames of the video.
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  1. 2 Level Advisor 3 May 2020 17: 44 New
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    And what kind of Czechs could be called even better? surprising .. his ..
    1. To be or not to be 3 May 2020 17: 49 New
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      Let her throw in the mud wink
      1. Shurik70 3 May 2020 18: 14 New
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        And why, boasting that they shoot beyond the competition, compared with a weaker cartridge and even a smaller caliber?
        It is necessary to compare with machines for the same cartridge.
        For example, AK-308, sighting range of 1000 meters
        1. Shurik70 3 May 2020 18: 35 New
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          Quote: To be or not to be
          Let her throw in the mud wink

          In fact, the video has a "throw in the mud." Only some strange, more tinted water looks like with the addition of heavy sand than real mud.
        2. Alexfly 3 May 2020 19: 09 New
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          Why not 2 km, sighting range AK?
          1. Shurik70 3 May 2020 19: 18 New
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            Quote: AlexFly
            Why not 2 km, sighting range AK?

            So because a NATO cartridge soldier
            1. Alexfly 5 May 2020 12: 41 New
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              Do not confuse lethal force with sighting range, please!
              1. Shurik70 5 May 2020 17: 15 New
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                Quote: AlexFly
                Do not confuse lethal force with sighting range, please!

                Understand sarcasm, please
        3. V.I.P. 3 May 2020 21: 11 New
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          Sighting range and effective fire are different. The AK 74 has an aiming range of 1 km, and an effective fire of 350 m .... and further from it you will not get into anyone .. SVD effective fire of -600 m
          1. dvina71 3 May 2020 22: 32 New
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            Quote: V.I.P.
            and effective fire 350m

            Well, actually, on any small arms, the firing range from an open sight is 400m, just then the target is already closed by an aiming device ... and you can precisely point it out only with experience .. not small.
            Two ... the story is about caliber 7.62x51, not 5.45x39 ..
            Here you can take PKM as the basis .. the thing has long been known and tested. And adjusting the range for stability and barrel length .. about 1 km and we get, only the optical sight is needed ..
          2. Zoldat_A 4 May 2020 00: 53 New
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            Quote: V.I.P.
            Sighting range and effective fire are different. The AK 74 has an aiming range of 1 km, and an effective fire of 350 m .... and further from it you will not get into anyone .. SVD effective fire of -600 m

            I fought with AKMS. I still remember the number by heart. I know where and how Kalash shoots in practice.
            Have you read the TTX on Wikipedia?
            1. ROSS_51 4 May 2020 10: 48 New
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              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Quote: V.I.P.
              Sighting range and effective fire are different. The AK 74 has an aiming range of 1 km, and an effective fire of 350 m .... and further from it you will not get into anyone .. SVD effective fire of -600 m

              I fought with AKMS. I still remember the number by heart. I know where and how Kalash shoots in practice.
              Have you read the TTX on Wikipedia?

              Tell us? And then I was talking with a super-border guard, who hit the 74-meter AK-750 moving targets at competitions and rubbed me for a long time about the Archangel special cartridges with some improved ballistics.
              1. ProkletyiPirat 4 May 2020 23: 23 New
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                "special cartridges with improved ballistics" and even for border guards, well, well, well. fellow
                So, most likely, they simply took a classic cartridge and changed the weight of the MBV and / or the process of gunpowder detonation => which changed the speed of the bullet along the barrel => the deformation of the bullet after exiting the barrel changed (ballistics on a longer / shorter barrel got better). Nuance such an "improvement" is that for weapons under the same cartridge but with a different length and / or other rifling, the ballistics will be completely different and usually much worse than the "average".
                In general, it’s better for me not to chase such tactical advantages in automatic weapons, because they are conditional and not constant, and even often lead to a deterioration in the reliability of weapons.
          3. About 2 4 May 2020 02: 29 New
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            350 meters with AKM and AK 103, with AK 74 -440 meters, the limit of effective firing range True, all this is not true for ordinary soldiers since they are trained to shoot them 100 meters while they are not taught and they show how to shoot no more.
            1. Archon 4 May 2020 04: 16 New
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              especially when the grass is tall and the target is not visible, then you just shoot somewhere in that direction and some even hit
            2. ROSS_51 4 May 2020 10: 42 New
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              Quote: Approximately 2
              350 meters with AKM and AK 103, with AK 74 -440 meters, the limit of effective firing range True, all this is not true for ordinary soldiers since they are trained to shoot them 100 meters while they are not taught and they show how to shoot no more.

              What army did you serve in this way? Um .. a simple soldier ..
          4. serezhasoldatow 4 May 2020 17: 35 New
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            Specialist!!! There’s nothing to argue.
        4. Hagen 4 May 2020 10: 48 New
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          Quote: Shurik70
          It is necessary to compare with machines for the same cartridge.

          Under the vintpatron we have a PC (Pecheneg). It has long been recognized in practice that infantry combat with small arms is usually at distances up to 400 meters. Therefore, they did not make an automatic machine under 7,62x54, but made an intermediate cartridge. That will pass CZ BREN 2 BR a dozen conflicts of different tensions, then the assessment can be voiced. Practice, as the classics said, is the criterion of truth. In the meantime, all these exclamations about the "best" are only children's wet dreams.
      2. Kathernik 3 May 2020 18: 22 New
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        - And they do not get out of it ..... )))
        1. Grandfather 3 May 2020 18: 27 New
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          In the Czech Republic, the CZ BREN 2 BR rifle was called the “best automatic weapon”
          I'm in the garden, made the best toilet in the world. IMHO.
          1. Nadrub 3 May 2020 19: 41 New
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            And the bedrooms! And take off the vidosik, we won’t believe it :)
    2. L-39NG 3 May 2020 23: 27 New
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      Do you know. We respect Kalashnikov, but for us to call something "our answer to Kalashnikov," not so much we stop respecting ourselves. We do not answer, but they catch up with us.
    3. iouris 3 May 2020 23: 27 New
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      Quote: 2 level advisor
      And what kind of Czechs could be called even better?

      Everyone does it.
  2. Amateur 3 May 2020 17: 52 New
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    In the Czech Republic itself, the rifle is called the "Czech response to Kalashnikov."

    And at least someone took it into service or even bought it?
    1. donavi49 3 May 2020 18: 05 New
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      December 11, 2018 in Budapest in the Petofi barracks with the participation of Minister of Defense of Hungary Benko Tibora, the ceremony of handing over the military police of the Hungarian armed forces to the first batch of the new Czech-style small arms assembled at Hungarian company NM Arsenal in Kiskunfeledhaz. Were transferred the first batch of 5,56 mm automatic rifles CZ 806 BREN 2, 9 mm submachine guns SCORPION EVO 3 and pistols R-07 and R-09. Thus, the process of re-equipping the Hungarian armed forces with a new generation of small arms was launched.

      Previously, these development samples of the Czech company Ceska Zbrojovka (CZ) were selected Hungarian Ministry of Defense as standard systems small arms The whole agreement provides for the possibility of release up to 2028 on the Arsenal NM up to 200 thousand weapons under the CZ license, including with the right to export.


      Small parties went to Asia:



      Field Marshal Sisi purchased a large batch of various versions (mostly 7,62x39) - for the Airborne Forces, Special Forces, Army Intelligence, Marines, etc.
      1. V.I.P. 4 May 2020 19: 17 New
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        I wonder why the field marshal did not buy AK? I bought these. Kalash is cheaper ....
    2. Terenin 3 May 2020 19: 55 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      In the Czech Republic itself, the rifle is called the "Czech response to Kalashnikov."

      And at least someone took it into service or even bought it?

      hi
      All right. That's when the militants, of all stripes and continents, will hunt for this "best weapon", as for Kalash, paying any money, then, yes! winked Then these boxed gloves promoted in the video ... don’t be for nothing no
      1. L-39NG 3 May 2020 20: 25 New
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        For Kalashnikov not hunt. They are everywhere in bulk. This ... the device, even in Pakistan, is doing a file on the street. And slingshots on tin balls can do. For the masses. And the price to them.
    3. Zoldat_A 4 May 2020 00: 56 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      In the Czech Republic itself, the rifle is called the "Czech response to Kalashnikov."

      And at least someone took it into service or even bought it?

      Half of the world is fighting with Kalash, but will anyone remember this “answer” in six months?
  3. svp67 3 May 2020 17: 56 New
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    Well, the Czech “gnomes" at all times were famous for their weapons, even when they were part of the internal affairs department their army was armed not with the Kalashnikovs, but with their machine gun, by the way, not bad enough, but I wouldn’t even give them a troika put...
    However, independent experts, who subsequently got the opportunity to use this Czech assault rifle, note that one of the significant disadvantages (in addition to the high cost of weapons in comparison with analogues) is the high degree of return and stability problems - the rifle barrel leads upwards to a significant angle, which affects firing accuracy. By the way, this can be seen in the frames of the video.
    Moreover, it is clearly visible, so getting from it somewhere to the target will be quite difficult. And if so they were able to greatly facilitate the very construction of the weapon, then it is clear that the military immediately compensated for this gain with additional ammunition, and if so, then this could immediately be solved by introducing a store for 50 or 70 rounds of ammunition ... it would stabilized the weapon a little during recoil and would turn this rifle into a light machine gun. But they WILL NOT BE ABLE to do this, since a short and "light" barrel "works" in a very loaded thermal mode, look how it smokes when shooting only one store in bursts, after being in the sand
    1. mmaxx 3 May 2020 18: 19 New
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      I once revered the memories of those who fought in Yugoslavia in the 90s. Czech machines were called the fact that nothing was worse at all. First of all, for low survivability.
      1. svp67 3 May 2020 18: 32 New
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        Quote: mmaxx
        First of all, for low survivability.


        1. L-39NG 3 May 2020 23: 20 New
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          Vidio - "debriefing." What did you mean? What you are allowed to buy is what you use. And who only sells this to you? For lack of fish ... And do not mix. Just for fun. Where are you from whom are you buying?
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      3. L-39NG 3 May 2020 23: 12 New
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        I apologize. I will write again, without a masked mat and thanks for the warning. Usually this is forgiven to many.
        You're lying, sir. I'll write again. Even during the tests, the AK47 and the Czech Vz.58 were compared. The failures are the same, the Vz.58 is better than the AK, the accuracy of the Vz.58 is better than the AK. Draftees from villages study equally.
        Read the GRAU reports.
        And the question. The name - Czech "gnomes" is not an insult and is not a reason to delete the comment?
        1. Archon 4 May 2020 04: 23 New
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          most likely not, because mythologically, the gnomes are weapons, which appeared as a result of strange translations by the dwarf due to the absence of such a word in the Russian language. but why gnomes is unknown
        2. mmaxx 4 May 2020 06: 22 New
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          Well, our GRAU and German machine guns were considered bad.
        3. mmaxx 4 May 2020 06: 29 New
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          On this site, Czechs are loved. Any hints in their direction are removed.
        4. aws4 4 May 2020 09: 28 New
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          Good morning!!! Would you mind throwing a link to these reports or the reports themselves? I would be grateful to you !!!
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    2. Alexfly 3 May 2020 19: 16 New
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      AK also has thin trunks, so what?
      1. svp67 3 May 2020 19: 28 New
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        Quote: AlexFly
        AK also has thin trunks, so what?

        But apparently not so much ... he still withstands more intense shooting and begins to smoke after at least the third at a time released continuous store bursts
        1. Alexfly 5 May 2020 12: 38 New
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          The same thing, 2-3 stores and stocks went, you can’t argue against chemistry ...
    3. L-39NG 3 May 2020 20: 42 New
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      Why should we put marks? Come, take a gun to the shooting range, shoot, then you will praise the AK, if conscience allows.
      1. Zoldat_A 4 May 2020 01: 03 New
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        Quote: L-39NG
        Come, take a gun to the shooting range, shoot, then you will praise the AK, if conscience allows.

        My AKMS saved my life so many times that I lost count.

        My conscience praise the designer Kalashnikov and his machine gun allows.

        And yes - a lot of what he shot in the army, and after. Now there are a lot of things in the safe - I’m just able to arm the unit to the teeth. And still, conscience allows.
  4. poquello 3 May 2020 18: 02 New
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    Czechs forgot about the Chinese, the Chinese have all the best))))))))))))))
  5. Ros 56 3 May 2020 18: 06 New
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    How many of these best in the world have been released, and if you also fall asleep in the sand and bathe dirty in the water. And what will happen?
    1. ProkletyiPirat 3 May 2020 19: 08 New
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      Well, here, too, they sprinkled it in the sand, only it’s nothing good. It is important that the resistance to pollution and icing during firing, and not in idle time ...
      1. sedoj 3 May 2020 22: 53 New
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        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
        Well, here, too, they sprinkled it in the sand, only it’s nothing good.

        There is one caveat: during sand and dirt processing, the cartridge was already in the chamber, so that dirt and sand could only get into the barrel. And this is a completely different story.
      2. Ros 56 4 May 2020 05: 33 New
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        Seriously, here somehow I happened to watch a video of our correspondents from Afghanistan, they recalled the affairs of the past days with former Mujahideen. Well, our questions were thrown, in the sense of what about weapons now? So this former sand raked his foot, Kalashnikov took it out, tapped it with his hand, shook off the dust and drove the line into the sky, he immediately hit it. lol So they are not very concerned about storage conditions.
        1. ProkletyiPirat 4 May 2020 06: 04 New
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          Yes, YouTube is full of such videos, but they don’t show the real situation. Here is a dust chamber with particles of a sufficiently small mass size, due to which they easily rise into the air, including inside the receiver, this is really a dirt-stability test. Only in the conditions of such a chamber does the dust fall on moving parts and crumple into larger grains when grease and powder gases enter.
  6. knn54 3 May 2020 18: 08 New
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    - the rifle was watered,
    But they did not dare to just throw them into water.
    1. lwxx 3 May 2020 18: 30 New
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      Add: put in dry ice without a store. In AK, the test takes place in full gear.
  7. Avior 3 May 2020 18: 17 New
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    It makes 25 rounds. Therefore, in conditions of intensive combat use, a fighter will have to frankly value ammunition.

    maybe give another store to a fighter with intensive combat use?
    stability issues - the rifle barrel takes you up a significant angle

    this is not visible in the video
    1. svp67 3 May 2020 22: 16 New
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      Quote: Avior
      this is not visible in the video

      Oh, how it throws the barrel, it’s perfectly visible during the shot, maybe you’re not looking there?
      1. Avior 3 May 2020 22: 53 New
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        I’m looking from 0.50, I don’t see there “up to a significant angle”
        the recoil is strong with such a cartridge of 7,62 × 51 in line, no laughing matter, I do not argue, you can’t call the barrel motionless, but I don’t see it at a “significant angle”.

        hi
      2. Avior 3 May 2020 23: 18 New
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        look at 1.43, there is a close-up
      3. Zoldat_A 4 May 2020 01: 10 New
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        Quote: svp67
        maybe you are not looking there?

        Sergei, from Israel, it is, of course, more visible to Aviora that all Russian is r ... Those are also experts in Russophobia. Genetically ....
    2. serezhasoldatow 4 May 2020 17: 44 New
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      Look again, I immediately drew attention to this. But the specialist is shooting. I wanted to go on this occasion, but was late.
  8. Machete 3 May 2020 18: 18 New
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    Yes, for seventy years it was possible to create something similar to Kalash.
    Over the years, now all and sundry boast that their weapons are like Kalash in reliability. Which is unlikely.
    1. L-39NG 4 May 2020 00: 09 New
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      In terms of reliability, they caught up, and in terms of accuracy they surpassed, That's the main thing
      1. About 2 4 May 2020 02: 22 New
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        Read about the tests in Pakistan, the brand is far from reliable in terms of reliability.
  9. marchcat 3 May 2020 18: 39 New
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    the rifle was watered, buried in sand, dropped from a height of 10 m, subjected to low temperatures
    But she still doesn’t want to shoot (joke) lol It doesn’t look bad.
  10. Reserve buildbat 3 May 2020 18: 46 New
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    I remember only 2 different devices from CHZet, not counting a moped) This is a carbine that they made for Wehrmacht mountain rangers and a CHZet-75 pistol. And this product does not seem good even after watching the commercial. And by the way, something increasingly often the troops of all countries refuse weapons of ridiculous caliber. But 7,62x51, in my opinion, is too much.
    1. L-39NG 4 May 2020 00: 17 New
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      There is no mixed caliber, it is possible to order from the supplier what you need.
      And 7,62x54 is not too much? Now 7,62x51 is not for everyone, but for Marxmanns in the field, instead of or like SVD
      1. Reserve buildbat 4 May 2020 08: 05 New
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        I said FUNNY caliber. Not mixed. 5,56, 5,45 ... But this rifle does not seem to be like a weapon of the "Marxman" (by the way, what is it? There is no such word in Russian), but as a general weapon is declared. Type to replace the "little things". So do not pop anywhere 7,62x54. This cartridge in its niche will survive your grandchildren
    2. Zoldat_A 4 May 2020 01: 13 New
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      Quote: stock buildbat
      I remember only 2 different devices from CHZet, not counting the moped)

      I was just waiting for someone to remember about the moped. drinks
      It would be better if they did mopeds ...
      1. serezhasoldatow 4 May 2020 17: 48 New
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        And Java ... And then the Chinese have already begun ... to overtake.
  11. senima56 3 May 2020 18: 51 New
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    Indeed, the “high degree of return” is clearly visible in the frames of the video! Big MINUS!
  12. orionvitt 3 May 2020 18: 58 New
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    There is nothing like leather.
  13. Incompetent 3 May 2020 19: 17 New
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    Yes, you in the video look at the return, despite the fact that this is a specialist! How the average infantryman will go nuts from firing with such a powerful cartridge ... I would understand if they could create a balanced automation in which the recoil was compensated by so much that it was compared to the AK12 caliber 5,45, then it’s convenient and it would be the best machine gun, and after 2 stores plaster the shoulder is not ice
    1. L-39NG 3 May 2020 21: 03 New
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      Just like the average infantryman was fucking firing from firing a Mosin rifle or a three-ruler and from SVD.
      1. awdrgy 3 May 2020 23: 08 New
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        So they do not beat in bursts And then you would have compared with SVT40) -Ura level of arms 80ty years ago surpassed)))
        1. L-39NG 3 May 2020 23: 55 New
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          And we are not taught to let ammunition into the white light, but to work with the trigger and the eye. Two quick shots at the target single and that's enough, call dvojstřel - double shot. Reality is not a movie about fascists with endless bursts of MP 40. Not children, however.
          1. awdrgy 4 May 2020 00: 09 New
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            Then you need some other weapon (that is, it makes no sense to make it automatic). Many warlords of the times of the First World War had this kind of thinking. It is also typical of hunter athletes and (possibly) some representatives of power structures (however, in this case, the weapon serves to fulfillment of very specific tasks, and even more so, it’s incorrect to compare it with an AK which is, in a sense, a “universal weapon” and primarily an army one) A double-tap is just a bottle of grilled whiskey to shoot "n e children "
          2. L-39NG 4 May 2020 01: 47 New
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            I forgot to add - more from the PCA
          3. mmaxx 4 May 2020 06: 35 New
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            The jester knows him. I haven’t been to the war. But in many frames of modern warfare, when it comes down to business, they are watered without aiming. It is impossible to stick out. A person does not need more than one bullet. Well, go on, you’ll burn cartridges in millions.
    2. voyaka uh 3 May 2020 21: 25 New
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      If there was a strong return, then they could not cuddle
      cheek to the butt. So the barrel does not toss up after a shot.
      1. awdrgy 3 May 2020 23: 13 New
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        It’s possible to snuggle up to the question of what will happen next to the cheek. By the way, on the vidos (slow motion) you can see how she walks with the warrior as a shaker. I thought he wouldn’t shake his teeth with himself, otherwise it will be a boxer shooter)))
  14. alone 3 May 2020 19: 27 New
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    Have you ever seen or heard about a cook who would praise someone else’s soup? recourse I honestly admit - I have not seen .. Maybe someone saw or heard, I do not ... Here the same
  15. Ural Cossack 3 May 2020 19: 42 New
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    For a single fire, weapons are not bad. But for automatic fire, a complete Mr. And a little more classics. The cartridge 7,62x51 308. (NATO) as in Chapaevsky found 7,62x54 slow rifle powder designed for a long-barrel rifle or machine gun. There, the bullet stabilizes well and picks up maximum speed due to the length of the barrel. Here the barrel is somewhere around 420mm. In this regard, the question to the manufacturer is why a short barrel of weapons if 1/3 of the powder flies out not burnt. And the initial speed of the bullet is not significantly higher than our Kalash under 7,62x39 (where the cartridge has fast gunpowder). But our Kalash wins in return. He doesn’t throw him like those grief shooters in the video. Where to fire the line? I do not understand. Something like this.
    1. L-39NG 4 May 2020 00: 03 New
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      However, as for automatic fire 7,62x39. AK at 50m in an automatic battle, maybe the first bullet flies to the target, and then, as the classic writes, "not even towards me, but towards me."
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        That's it with this your komentom I agree to all 100% .. in fact on AK in caliber 762 automatic fire is needed only at close range shoot ..
    2. Alexfly 5 May 2020 12: 36 New
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      You can not compare 7,62x39 and 7,62x51! This is a completely different ammunition, dear!
  16. Zaurbek 3 May 2020 20: 04 New
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    The Czechs were notable gunsmiths and had their answer to the Ak47 7,62x39. But they supplied themselves, well done, you need to be able to export .... there are a lot of competitors to NATO countries. Let them not be in NATO.
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      No. There are not many competitors in the technique, here the competition is in who knows how and how to sell.
      1. Zaurbek 3 May 2020 22: 25 New
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        Jews, Belgians, Germans ... this is without AK and its derivatives ... more Poles.
  17. Lord of the Sith 3 May 2020 20: 20 New
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    Oh, let yourself be amused, may there be better and more beautiful and the rest blah blah.
  18. Azazelo 3 May 2020 20: 31 New
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    This is until the soldier gets wet and then freezes ...
  19. businessv 3 May 2020 20: 47 New
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    In the Czech Republic itself, the rifle is called the "Czech response to Kalashnikov."
    Frankly speaking: the answer is so-so! Weak answer, not much better than AKM, only with Piccatini strap and less weight. Not weak leads to the sky, just like ours in the last century! True, there is cartridge 51, not 39, but this disease causes a lot of inconvenience. smile
    1. oldzek 4 May 2020 16: 15 New
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      but for me, this answer is not to Kalashnikov, but to Mosin. but of course they know better ...
  20. Peter is not the first 3 May 2020 20: 56 New
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    I watched the video. The work of the director and cameraman is impressive. winked And ours, too, are buried in water, in sand and in mud with an already placed cartridge in the chamber? Or they first pollute, and then reload and shoot.
    1. foreign spy 8 May 2020 10: 54 New
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      what to be attached to commercials. Those who will purchase these weapons carry out their full-fledged tests as they need.
  21. John22 3 May 2020 21: 16 New
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    Judging by the rollers, a good carbine. Czechs have a good design school. Carabiner in different calibres. The cartridge of 7,62x51 mm is certainly more powerful, therefore the recoil is more significant. This Bren 2 was created not from scratch, but by finalizing the previous CZ 805. That is, has been operating experience for 9 years. All the flaws got out and there was something to improve: reduced weight, improved balance, increased reliability. I am only confused by the through slot in the receiver under the cocking handle of the shutter. Is sand and dirt not getting there? Well, only combat use will show the excellent qualities of the new Bren. I think so.
  22. Carnifexx 3 May 2020 21: 38 New
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    However, independent experts, who subsequently got the opportunity to use this Czech assault rifle, note that one of the significant disadvantages (in addition to the high cost of weapons in comparison with analogues) is the high degree of return and stability problems - the rifle barrel leads upwards to a significant angle, which affects firing accuracy. By the way, this can be seen in the frames of the video.
    Independent experts, this author is apparently to himself. Well, the author claims in vain because there is a rifle cartridge here, and not an intermediate assault rifle. This cartridge is an analogue of the standard SVD cartridge. It’s amazing how a person finds fault with what he saw in the video, turns it into “However, independent experts who subsequently got the opportunity to use this Czech machine ...”
    1. About 2 4 May 2020 02: 15 New
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      Dear specialist, our cartridge 7,62x54 is more powerful than the NATO 7,62x51, even the length of the sleeve shows. The author didn’t say anything seditious, he simply stated a fact. Even on the FN FAL rifle, the automatic mode was removed because of the excess power of the cartridge 7,62x51 fire.
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        Correctly, their volume differs in favor of a conical Russian one, only if we had an automatic machine for this cartridge, there would be no automatic fire either. Example ABC-36 and ABT ....
        In Russia, in general, there are big problems with cartridges, or rather with their variety .. Reason? The lack of a civilian market and the presence of hunting weapons in military calibers ... But this is a separate conversation ..
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          In Russia, in general, there are big problems with cartridges, or rather with their variety .. Reason? The lack of a civilian market and the presence of hunting weapons in military calibers ... But this is a separate conversation ..
          What for??? They poured salt over my wounds again. The market is not so absent, rather, there is little competition for us, there are high duties and, on the whole, a small payment population. And these 5 years of owning a smooth-bore, I don’t understand why.
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            And what about the duties? To produce for ourselves and for ourselves. Prohibit the use of shelling bullets for hunting, go from 7,62x39 to more powerful cartridges. Smoothbore? This is for upland and waterfowl, bunnies, foxes maybe. Everything else is rifled, and from 2500 J ...
            1. Carnifexx 4 May 2020 17: 23 New
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              I am not against a smooth-bore, it is simply not clear why to limit the purchase of rifled so as to own a smooth-bore 5 years
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        What am I saying wrong? I said the analogue, and the difference between 7,62x54 and 7,62x51 is 200 J, against the background of a power of ~ 3600 J it's a bit like for me.
        The rifle cartridge will have the appropriate recoil, and here is an even lighter rifle, in comparison with the same SVD (> 4kg). When talking about a high degree of return (or small), these are always comparative characteristics, and here the Czech machine cannot be called having stability problems. Even against the backdrop of the SR-25 Knight's Armament, this one looks decent. I hope KA you do not hold for fools at least.
      3. sh3roman 5 May 2020 09: 55 New
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        Not much and more powerful, a couple of percent
  23. Vitaliy Zalutsky 3 May 2020 21: 48 New
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    The thumb of the left hand, the shooter is forced to lay down on top of the civier, on the sighting line! This is normal?
    1. Avior 3 May 2020 23: 17 New
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      he has a pretty high scope, look at 1.43
    2. Carnifexx 4 May 2020 13: 22 New
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      This is a sporty grip, so it's very normal.
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    Something she apparently reminded me of ACR ...
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      RIP, apparently with CZ with their modular automatic machine things are going better.
  25. About 2 4 May 2020 02: 05 New
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    Not so long ago, Bran participated in tests in Pakistan, I really don’t know the caliber, but it doesn’t change the essence, along with the Belgian skar they are inferior in reliability to our AK 103. So let Vlasov’s lovers not lie.
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      Only in reliability and lose, although this is also a question .. And the rest?
  26. Sahalinets 4 May 2020 06: 13 New
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    Yes, a rifle under the 7,62x51 cartridge cannot conduct effective automatic fire. Only a machine gun on the machine.
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    Quote: Sahalinets
    Yes, a rifle under the 7,62x51 cartridge cannot conduct effective automatic fire. Only a machine gun on the machine.

    here I agree! The Americans refused the M-14 for the same reason, and we have the ABC-36. FN-FAL already said
  28. Sarkazm 4 May 2020 17: 55 New
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    Quote: L-39NG
    Come, take a gun to the shooting range, shoot, then you will praise the AK, if conscience allows.

    My AKMS saved my life so many times that I lost count.

    My conscience praise the designer Kalashnikov and his machine gun allows.

    And yes - a lot of what he shot in the army, and after. Now there are a lot of things in the safe - I’m just able to arm the unit to the teeth. And still, conscience allows.
    Only the floor of the department, the rest of the 5th caps with earflaps, sheepskin coats, sashes and shotguns. Although, in principle, if you take a look at it, then a shot at a short shot is a long line from a machine gun, the peasants will do it.

    He served most of the time with AKMS, a reliable machine in terms of reliability, but far from the best, there was nothing to compare. AK has long been out of date, you need to understand that this is a child of the Second World War, and we are going to celebrate 75 years of victory ...

    Specially retreated. THINK that during this time even a small Czech Republic was able to give birth to a very decent machine gun, and not the first one, and we still can’t give anything even close to this Czech and are only looking for flaws in other people's shooting systems, demonstrating not the best qualities of anthropoids. Our heroes gunsmiths collected a lot of samples, and with a short piston stroke, and a bulpap, etc., etc., but when it is not easy to take in your hands, and even just look at these clumsy pieces of iron - only interjections. Reliable weapons and ergonomics are not mutually exclusive concepts.

    About the return. Well .308, the hunting option 7,62x51 is available to many, the Akmoids / Kalashoids for this caliber are also a shaft, shoot - the result will be even worse. Many countries adopted 5,56x45 only for arming the police and special forces, leaving the army 7,62x51, the latter dictated by quite practical considerations related to the terrain, altitudes, vegetation, etc. In addition, the production of a single ammunition 7,62x51 for the assault rifle line, a single machine gun, a sniper rifle is also easier.
    By the way, the Czechs at one time developed a single ammunition-weapon system. IMHO, it turned out only for the Germans with their semi-free bolt system - and an assault rifle in various versions, and a machine gun, and a sniper rifle, and a machine gun (a single essentially construction, but with a pistol cartridge, of course).

    I had to read for a long time about the reliability of our Mosinsky system and its advantages over Mauser, BUT ... somehow it turns out that the whole world is dumb ... and here we are geniuses, because the Mauser system is still alive and is produced, and not only in hunting and sports weapons, and Mosinka ... well, only that we empty our warehouses by selling rifles over a hill at the price of scrap metal.

    PS About the armament of the compartment from the safe, once again ... When I see Saigi and Vepri, in addition to the mat, nothing is born in my mind when I see these freaks, it is outdated as a military weapon, but as a hunting weapon, well, I need to be very far from hunting and traditions, so that look at this disgrace.
  29. serezhasoldatow 4 May 2020 17: 58 New
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    You can evaluate it when the image of this product appears on the flag of a country and small ones run with the name ... Kalash almost wrote.
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    Window dressing for kinuhu. When shooting from a "cold" rifle do not show the arrow, which should be pressed cheek to the butt. At minus 60, Carl! Put a rifle in the sand and mud with the finished cartridge and a magazine in the receiver. The Czechs screwed up just like with Marshal Konev.
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    When they start copying right and left around the world, then we’ll think about “an answer to Kalashnikov” or not. In the meantime, let them have fun.
  32. Yellow bubble 8 May 2020 16: 12 New
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    Come on, better. After frost, the store pulled out of his pocket sticking means a lot. First they shoot in single bursts of this Kalashnikov told this chip. .KAKA