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Polish comments: Large-scale exercises are held in the Russian Federation, and our tankers are offered to study on simulators

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The operations center of the Ministry of National Defense of Poland announces the start of the preparation of documentation for the construction of a training center for the 1st Warsaw Armored Brigade. It is planned that in this training center tankers will undergo training on special Leopard 2A5 simulators. Completion of the facility is scheduled for 2023.


Polish Ministry of Defense:

The 1st Warsaw Armored Brigade should begin training on simulators immediately after completion of the complex.

By 2022, it is planned to complete the creation of 128 special garages in which they plan to place Tanks Leopard 2.

After this information appeared in the Polish media, ordinary Polish readers expressed critical words against the Polish Ministry of Defense. In particular, the department is criticized for the fact that "there is no strategy for conducting military field exercises for tankers in the armed forces."

In the comments to the material in the publication Defense24, it was noted that large-scale exercises are being conducted in Russia, and in Poland, tankers are offered to improve their skills and study on simulators:

You just told us (in the publication there was a plot on this topic, approx. “VO”) about how large-scale exercises Russia is conducting, involving 100 thousand or more military personnel. And now you offer us to “rejoice” in the supply of simulators for our tankers. So tell me, who will be better seasoned in battle?

The question itself is noteworthy due to the fact that in Poland individuals apparently continue to consider options for “tank battles” with Russia.
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  1. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 12: 24 New
    21
    You just told us (there was a story on this topic in the publication, - note "VO") about how large-scale exercises Russia is conducting - with the involvement of 100 thousand or more military personnel. And now you invite us to "rejoice" in the supply of a simulator for our tankers. So tell me, who will be better hardened in battle?

    The one who participated in them would be better hardened in battle. Where and when did Poland last fight as an independent unit? For the last 30 years, we had Afghanistan, the North Caucasus, Syria the same. Teachings are teachings, and war is war.
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 3 May 2020 12: 36 New
      26
      are you, in the world of tanks on Euroservers, the Poles are the most fighting ... in chat rooms laughing
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 12: 37 New
        +7
        Virtual victories compensate for the lack of such in the real world. The Polish fleet. Without comment.
        The submarines that are part of the Polish Navy are so outdated that they should have taken a place in a museum of ancient military equipment. This opinion was expressed in an interview with Polska i swiat by military analyst Mariusz Chelma, editor-in-chief of the almanac "New military equipment" (Nowa Technika Wojskowa)


        Now in service with the Polish Navy are two submarines of the "Cobben" type, acquired from Norway, built in the 1960s, as well as the submarine "Orzhel" of the "Kilo" class of Soviet construction. At the same time, "Orzhel" has been awaiting repairs for many years and is not capable of performing tasks as intended.

        https://flot.com/2020/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE3/
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 3 May 2020 12: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
        are you, in the world of tanks on Euroservers, the Poles are the most fighting ... in chat rooms laughing

        I have played. Everyone is standing in the bushes like Fri ... Boring ...
        1. notingem
          notingem 3 May 2020 19: 29 New
          +2
          I am joining. Serbs Ukrainians and funny Argentines play better. Although the Poles are not bad either
      3. Irokez
        Irokez 3 May 2020 16: 51 New
        -3
        Armata is better - there are leopards and T-72 of various modifications, and if you want to practice in real life, then pozhalsta - tank biathlon.
      4. smart ass
        smart ass 4 May 2020 23: 56 New
        +1
        Aha and Polish tanks are the most powerful
    2. fruit_cake
      fruit_cake 3 May 2020 12: 48 New
      +4
      Poles rode to the American wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, to Ukraine by mercenaries, slowly learn to shit
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 12: 50 New
        +3
        Well, how many of them were there and what functions did they perform there? 100 people somewhere in the deep rear? What can you learn in this situation?
        rode to Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, to Ukraine by mercenaries, slowly learn to shit

        Are you learning to crap out of fear?
        1. fruit_cake
          fruit_cake 3 May 2020 13: 31 New
          +2
          wars are now just to spoil wherever possible
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 3 May 2020 14: 01 New
            +1
            Polish comments: Large-scale exercises are held in the Russian Federation, and our tankers are offered to study on simulators
            I shield like that ... the entire population of Poland, you need to dig anti-tank ditches, and let the rails go to the "hedgehogs", and let the "gaster" boil them with the "Ukrainian" (this is how tolerant modernization fixes it) day and night, and also loosen bridges (otherwise modernization fixes) ... EVERYTHING! and build barricades in cities, and give out RPG-7 to teenagers ... it will be right, YASHCHETAYU! drinks with dry packs, I think our government will help. I'm also ready to throw a couple of heels. and ... yes ... for clarification: to Sergey Lavrov ...
        2. Nuclear basin
          Nuclear basin 4 May 2020 16: 19 New
          0
          Well, something, but the Poles have long learned to shit, for any reason and in any aggregate form))
      2. Sayan
        Sayan 3 May 2020 14: 16 New
        -1
        Quote: fruit_cake
        Poles rode to the American wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, to Ukraine by mercenaries, slowly learn to shit

        Toilets washed and socks washed the owners
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 3 May 2020 14: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Sayan
          Quote: fruit_cake
          Poles rode to the American wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, to Ukraine by mercenaries, slowly learn to shit

          Toilets washed and socks washed the owners

          water drink-condition
  2. Cer59
    Cer59 3 May 2020 12: 26 New
    +6
    One question, but to hell with us Poland? can someone tell me?
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 3 May 2020 12: 34 New
      +5
      Well, we definitely don’t need it, without resources, with a chubby population ... but to the Psheks, yes, the hunt would have been to update the feeding trough, the memories of the CMEA are still alive
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 3 May 2020 12: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
        with a chasing population ...

        Just to reduce the ambition. For the bazaar, as they say, it is necessary to answer.
    2. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 3 May 2020 12: 35 New
      +8
      Well what the fuck?
      So that after a hundred years it’s been going to fight the Germans.

      Belgium has a similar function, by the way, it consists in letting the Germans into the rear of the French, so that they do not forget how to surrender en masse.
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 3 May 2020 14: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Cer59
      One question, but to hell with us Poland? can someone tell me?

      looked around ... no ... I do not need, and the neighbors, and indeed .. live in the world ....
    4. Insurgent
      Insurgent 3 May 2020 15: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Cer59
      One question, but to hell with us Poland? can someone tell me?

      Russia, Poland, as such and do not need, but the Poles, certain territories of the Russian Federation, do not give rest as some mythical "Kresy" ...
    5. boriz
      boriz 4 May 2020 18: 59 New
      0
      Poland was restored as the main limitrophy to complicate cooperation between Russia and Germany. For over 100 years (with a break of 1945 - 1991), Poland has coped with this task brilliantly.
  3. Teller
    Teller 3 May 2020 12: 26 New
    -6
    with the fact that in Poland, individuals apparently continue to consider options for “tank battles” with Russia.

    This time, everything will be easier .. Missile strike, Infantry advanced on km and so on!
    For Konev, etc. answer!
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 12: 31 New
      +5
      The Konev Monument in the Czech Republic was removed, not in Poland.
      1. fruit_cake
        fruit_cake 3 May 2020 12: 49 New
        0
        Poles have long demolished monuments and pursue Russophobic policies
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 3 May 2020 12: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The Konev Monument in the Czech Republic was removed, not in Poland.

        What's the difference? In one word "Visegrad four", one world is smeared. The Hungarians and the Romanians are already raising their voices that, along with Poland, they suffered the most during the war.
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 13: 05 New
          +2
          The Visegrad Four are Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. What do Romanians have to do with it? There was nothing to fight on the side of Hitler in Romania. So, logically, can Germany get to the point of declaring itself to be the most affected in World War II.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 3 May 2020 13: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            And what about the Romanians?

            And what, nothing to do with it? You might think Romanians are sitting out on the sidelines of this "hype". To be honest, it doesn't make much difference to me. By the way, the Finns are already catching up as "victims". Bulgarians are shouting more and more about "Soviet occupation". In such cases, it was necessary to act like the Americans. Vaughn, neither Germany nor Japan, even dare to utter a word against the United States. And we have, of course, "friendship of peoples" damn it. Here are just people for friendship more and more ungrateful creatures come across. Nobody appreciates kindness, only strength is respected.
      3. RwFanat_Kirov
        RwFanat_Kirov 3 May 2020 13: 28 New
        +1
        In 1991, a monument to Konev was also dismantled in Krakow, but it was taken to Russia. Now in Kirov stands
      4. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 3 May 2020 14: 05 New
        -1
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The Konev Monument in the Czech Republic was removed, not in Poland.

        Vitalke (Mihan) in FIG who and for what and where and what exactly was removed .... the main thing is to throw earflaps above!))
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 3 May 2020 14: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Count
      with the fact that in Poland, individuals apparently continue to consider options for “tank battles” with Russia.

      This time, everything will be easier .. Missile strike, Infantry advanced on km and so on!
      For Konev, etc. answer!

      at least you yourself, meehan, understand that you are cattle?
  4. businessv
    businessv 3 May 2020 12: 28 New
    +2
    in Poland, individuals apparently continue to consider options for “tank battles” with Russia.
    Greater Poland chauvinism prevents them from living! If it were not for him and not constant revisionist demands on various issues, to all neighbors without exception, this could have been quite a normal country!
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 3 May 2020 12: 38 New
      +5
      Could.
      But never was.
      And never will be.
      Because the mentality and ambition.
      Here is a quarter of Polish blood in me, and the ambition is enough for three.

      Conclusion?

      In whom Polish blood 100% - in those and ambition for the twelve.
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 12: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: businessv
      in Poland, individuals apparently continue to consider options for “tank battles” with Russia.
      Greater Poland chauvinism prevents them from living! If it were not for him and not constant revisionist demands on various issues, to all neighbors without exception, this could have been quite a normal country!

      Rather, Greater Poland schizophrenism, which affects some individuals, prevents them from living in the real world.
  5. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 3 May 2020 12: 28 New
    +1
    since the polish army is more like a toy force ... they will play it in World of Tanks the most it ... they can even win there after hours of training)))
    1. Ovsigovets
      Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 12: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: silberwolf88
      since the polish army is more like a toy force ... they will play it in World of Tanks the most it ... they can even win there after hours of training)))


      Polish ground forces have about 900 tanks, mainly Polish T-72s, over 1 infantry fighting vehicles and over 600 helicopters.
      F-16C "Jastrząb" / F-16D "Jastrząb" - 36/12 ..... MiG-29A / MiG-29UB - 22/6
      DPL - 5 pieces .... frigates - 2 pieces.
      This is not going into or going deeper from open sources. If we consider in particular - the army is probably not enough, if you understand that this is one of the components of something bigger - probably enough ..... History should teach and history should remember - the one who underestimates the threat (of the enemy) often pays for it with a bloody yushka
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 3 May 2020 13: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Ovsigovets
        History must teach and history must remember - the one who underestimates the threat (of the enemy) often pays for it with a bloody yushka
        Someone teaches history, and someone teaches history. wink
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 3 May 2020 13: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Ovsigovets

        Polish ground forces have about 900 tanks.
        History must teach and history must remember - the one who underestimates the threat (of the enemy) often pays for it with a bloody yushka

        The presence of tanks and aircraft does not yet make the enemy strong. The strength of the enemy is determined by other criteria. Ukraine has no less tanks than Poland (if not more) so what? Did they fight a lot? The Saudi army is considered one of the most equipped armies in the world, but can do nothing with barefoot Husites. There are many examples. Ours, on June 22, 1941, had an overwhelming superiority in tanks and aircraft, which did not prevent the Germans from reaching Stalingrad. No one says that our Germans were underestimated, retreated until they learned to fight.
        1. Ovsigovets
          Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 13: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: orionvitt
          Quote: Ovsigovets

          Polish ground forces have about 900 tanks.
          History must teach and history must remember - the one who underestimates the threat (of the enemy) often pays for it with a bloody yushka

          The presence of tanks and aircraft does not yet make the enemy strong. The strength of the enemy is determined by other criteria. Ukraine has no less tanks than Poland (if not more) so what? Did they fight a lot? The Saudi army is considered one of the most equipped armies in the world, but can do nothing with barefoot Husites. There are many examples. Ours, on June 22, 1941, had an overwhelming superiority in tanks and aircraft, which did not prevent the Germans from reaching Stalingrad. No one says that our Germans were underestimated, retreated until they learned to fight.


          what I'm talking about ... we must remember all the lessons that history taught ... no need to "throw" hats ... otherwise we first write about the "funny" army, and then we bury our own
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 3 May 2020 13: 54 New
            +2
            ]
            Quote: Ovsigovets
            otherwise we first write about the "funny" army, and then we bury our own

            You did not understand. I wrote that no one had any illusions about the German army. Which by the way, at that time was most combat ready in the world. As for the Hungarians of the "blue divisions" and the rest of the Romanians, they themselves did not represent a real combat force. Here is the result. Captive Romanians. Gojko Mitic is in the foreground. Although he was a Serb, he was similar.
            In this form, the Romanians are very personal to me, given the things they have done to us.
    2. Sniper Amateur
      Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 13: 49 New
      -5
      Poland's army is rather a toy force

      Ага. tongue
      https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojska_L%C4%85dowe
      Well, from your completely 100% patriots:
      https://inosmi.ru/europe/20090206/247286.html
      laughing
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 3 May 2020 12: 53 New
    +3
    The economy should be
    economical. If modern
    simulators allow you to teach
    newcomers to the basics of multi-ton machine control, why
    no. The main thing is that there should be no distortions. Trainers should be replaced by real marches
    and exercises as close as possible to combat
    conditions.
    Strong and modern army
    exists as an integral part of the economically strong
    state. And Poland, not having a strong economy, cherishes hope for great conquests.
    And it looks ridiculous.
  7. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 13: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    The Konev Monument in the Czech Republic was removed, not in Poland.


    "so he's a Bulgarian ...... yes? but what the hell is the difference?" (C)
  8. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 13: 04 New
    0
    Quote: sabakina
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    History must teach and history must remember - the one who underestimates the threat (of the enemy) often pays for it with a bloody yushka
    Someone teaches history, and someone teaches history. wink


    so I would like us to be smart at the front and understand everything and foresee everything .... "shapkozakidatelstvo" it is certainly gorgeous and warms the soul - but we must remember that Vanyusha will irrigate the land with blood .... but our task is not ruin, and save this "Vanya"
    1. Range
      Range 3 May 2020 14: 13 New
      0
      We are sitting here on the couch, we can throw hats, and those who really need to protect Russia, keep their ears open and their nose in the wind.
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 May 2020 13: 12 New
    +3
    I don’t remember what battles the Polish tankers took part in, and whether there were any at all. I know Polish pilots from the battle for England, and I know Polish tankmen only in the film Three Poles, a Georgian and a Dog. fellow request lol
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 3 May 2020 13: 25 New
      0
      Taken off the tongue! :)
    2. Sniper Amateur
      Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 13: 34 New
      -5
      The first tank ace of the Second World War - and in history in general (and the only one that became such on a wedge heel (!!!!)) - plutonowy podchorąży Edmund Roman Orlik.
      https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Roman_Orlik
  10. svp67
    svp67 3 May 2020 13: 24 New
    +3
    A virtual training ground for an entire tank brigade ... very cool and it will allow you to train tankers in joint actions on any terrain, in any tactical situation using elements of "network-centric warfare" ... yeah, one can envy. Of course, they will practically have to work at the training ground, but this is also a great help in teaching military affairs
  11. Pavel73
    Pavel73 3 May 2020 13: 24 New
    0
    If the Poles want to learn at least something, they should start with "Four Tankmen and a Dog".
  12. Sniper Amateur
    Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 13: 42 New
    -1
    You just told us (there was a story in the publication on this topic, - note "VO") about how large-scale exercises are being conducted by Russia - with the involvement of 100 thousand or more military personnel. And now you invite us to "rejoice" in the supply of a simulator for our tankers.

    Probably - in the USSR, riveted tank simulators and even special "training tanks" - did not understand nifig.
    And when the "TV star in the forehead", at the suggestion of the press service of the RF Ministry of Defense, chokes with delight about the arrival of "the latest tank simulators" in the troops:
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201812050616-ficd.htm
    - they and the plot's customers - also do not understand nifig.
    And - well, yes - in the article about the "wrong" and "feck", POLISH simulators! bully
  13. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 3 May 2020 13: 45 New
    +2
    But then in WoT they will play well)))
    1. Yuri Matyushkov
      Yuri Matyushkov 5 May 2020 08: 18 New
      0
      Good, but not better than me. I have a stat 59% self-isolation to help wink
  14. Amateur
    Amateur 3 May 2020 13: 49 New
    0
    The grandfathers of the current Poles chopped German tanks with sabers. Well, the current Russian monitors showered.
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 3 May 2020 14: 08 New
      0
      Fake of course (of those times) But it seems the Germans are building up))
    2. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 3 May 2020 19: 54 New
      -1
      It’s kind of ridiculous to read when ours did exactly the same ...
  15. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 13: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: orionvitt
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    otherwise we first write about the "funny" army, and then we bury our own

    You did not understand. I wrote that no one had any illusions about the German army. Which by the way, at that time was most combat ready in the world. As for the Hungarians of the "blue divisions" and the rest of the Romanians, they themselves did not represent a real combat force. Here is the result. Captive Romanians. Gojko Mitic is in the foreground. Although he was a Serb, he was similar.

    and I will write to you from the words of a participant in the Second World War, my grandfather ..... "a German came and davanul, but we do not know how to dig trenches" (C) ... and the reason why the infantry did not know how to dig in should you need to remind? but for now have learned to dig in "as expected" how many lay in the graves ???
  16. awdrgy
    awdrgy 3 May 2020 14: 05 New
    0
    Dreams of Polish armadas bringing Russia to its knees Revenge must be scary! Poland from sea to sea! Poland is power! We will take revenge on these Muscovites for breaking a muscle 400 years ago! (We'll pump up a little more) In general, "brain politicalism"))
  17. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 3 May 2020 14: 22 New
    -3
    And what is the state of Poland? Heard is an occupied territory with Indians speaking Polish wassat
    Sow wheat, eat apples, there will be no subsidies from the EU!
    Instead of large-scale exercises, a gay parade ...
  18. ROSS_51
    ROSS_51 3 May 2020 14: 30 New
    0
    Why 2A5? Where is the Leopard 2A5 and where is Poland? They have no money for their rogue version of PL.
  19. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 17: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: ROSS_51
    Why 2A5? Where is the Leopard 2A5 and where is Poland? They have no money for their rogue version of PL.

    as of 2014, the Polish ground forces: Leopard 2A5 - 105 pieces .... Leopard 2A4 - 142 pieces .... this is for leopards ... but there are still decent tanks, specifically PT-91 Twardy - 233 pieces and T-72M - 505 pieces
  20. iouris
    iouris 3 May 2020 17: 16 New
    0
    I propose to conduct bilateral exercises online.
  21. veritas
    veritas 3 May 2020 22: 06 New
    +5
    Polish comments: Large-scale exercises are held in the Russian Federation, and our tankers are offered to study on simulators

    They offer to play computer games. But this is normal, a vigorous cow does not need horns.
  22. Chingachguk
    Chingachguk 3 May 2020 22: 23 New
    0
    And what is the difference between simulators and exercises? Anyway, this is a miserable semblance of a left hand !!!!!
    In order to learn how to win, you need to go through more than one war and defeat them !!! The spirit of the people is important! And not a simulator, or whatever it is called .......
  23. Vladycat
    Vladycat 4 May 2020 03: 04 New
    0
    "I don’t remember something about the heroically perished crew of the simulator" Remove perescope (c)
  24. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 4 May 2020 17: 21 New
    0
    To you, Polish women, that with sabers, that on the simulator, everything is the same ..... die!
  25. realist
    realist 5 May 2020 07: 30 New
    0
    I remember Shoigu invited everyone who wanted to participate in the tank biathlon, which prevents the brave Polish soldiers from coming - they will give us a tank!
  26. Yuri Matyushkov
    Yuri Matyushkov 5 May 2020 08: 13 New
    0
    I would also drive on a simulator, it will be abruptly wargaming wink