Polish comments: Large-scale exercises are held in the Russian Federation, and our tankers are offered to study on simulators


The operations center of the Ministry of National Defense of Poland announces the start of the preparation of documentation for the construction of a training center for the 1st Warsaw Armored Brigade. It is planned that in this training center tankers will undergo training on special Leopard 2A5 simulators. Completion of the facility is scheduled for 2023.


Polish Ministry of Defense:

The 1st Warsaw Armored Brigade should begin training on simulators immediately after completion of the complex.

By 2022, it is planned to complete the creation of 128 special garages in which they plan to place Tanks Leopard 2.

After this information appeared in the Polish media, ordinary Polish readers expressed critical words against the Polish Ministry of Defense. In particular, the department is criticized for the fact that "there is no strategy for conducting military field exercises for tankers in the armed forces."

In the comments to the material in the publication Defense24, it was noted that large-scale exercises are being conducted in Russia, and in Poland, tankers are offered to improve their skills and study on simulators:

You just told us (in the publication there was a plot on this topic, approx. “VO”) about how large-scale exercises Russia is conducting, involving 100 thousand or more military personnel. And now you offer us to “rejoice” in the supply of simulators for our tankers. So tell me, who will be better seasoned in battle?

The question itself is noteworthy due to the fact that in Poland individuals apparently continue to consider options for “tank battles” with Russia.
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  1. Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 12: 24 New
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    You just told us (in the publication there was a plot on this topic, approx. “VO”) about how large-scale exercises Russia is conducting - involving 100 thousand or more military personnel. And now you offer us to “rejoice” in deliveries with a simulator for our tankers. So tell me, who will be better seasoned in battle?

    The one who participated in them would be better hardened in battle. Where and when did Poland last fight as an independent unit? For the last 30 years, we had Afghanistan, the North Caucasus, Syria the same. Teachings are teachings, and war is war.
    1. Non liberoid Russian 3 May 2020 12: 36 New
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      are you, in the world of tanks on Euroservers, the Poles are the most fighting ... in chat rooms laughing
      1. Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 12: 37 New
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        Virtual victories compensate for the lack of such in the real world. The Polish fleet. Without comment.
        The submarines that make up the Polish Navy are so outdated that they should take their place in the museum of ancient military equipment. This opinion was expressed in an interview with Polska i swiat magazine by military analyst Mariusz Celma, editor-in-chief of the new military equipment almanac (Nowa Technika Wojskowa)


        Now the Polish Navy is armed with two Cobben-type submarines purchased from Norway, built in the 1960s, as well as a Soviet-built Kilo-class Orzhel submarine. Moreover, "Orzhel" has been awaiting repair for many years and is not capable of completing its intended tasks.

        https://flot.com/2020/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE3/
      2. sabakina 3 May 2020 12: 51 New
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        Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
        are you, in the world of tanks on Euroservers, the Poles are the most fighting ... in chat rooms laughing

        I have played. Everyone is standing in the bushes like Fri ... Boring ...
        1. notingem 3 May 2020 19: 29 New
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          I am joining. Serbs Ukrainians and funny Argentines play better. Although the Poles are not bad either
      3. Irokez 3 May 2020 16: 51 New
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        Armata is better - there are leopards and T-72 of various modifications, and if you want to practice in real life, then pozhalsta - tank biathlon.
      4. smart ass 4 May 2020 23: 56 New
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        Aha and Polish tanks are the most powerful
    2. fruit_cake 3 May 2020 12: 48 New
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      Poles rode to the American wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, to Ukraine by mercenaries, slowly learn to shit
      1. Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 12: 50 New
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        Well, how many of them were there and what functions did they perform there? 100 people somewhere in the deep rear? What can you learn in this situation?
        rode to Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, to Ukraine by mercenaries, slowly learn to shit

        Are you learning to crap out of fear?
        1. fruit_cake 3 May 2020 13: 31 New
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          wars are now just to spoil wherever possible
          1. Grandfather 3 May 2020 14: 01 New
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            Polish comments: Large-scale exercises are held in the Russian Federation, and our tankers are offered to study on simulators
            I shield ... the whole population of Poland, you need to dig anti-tank ditches, and let the hedgehog rails run, and let them be cooked by "Gaster" with "Ukrainian" (this is corrected by the tolerant Moder) day and night, and also loosen the bridges (otherwise Moder corrects) ... EVERYTHING! and to build barricades in cities, and to teenagers, to distribute RPG-7 ... it will be right, BRUSH! drinks with dry packs, I think our government will help. I'm also ready to throw a couple of heels. and ... yes ... for clarification: to Sergey Lavrov ...
        2. Nuclear basin 4 May 2020 16: 19 New
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          Well, something, but the Poles have long learned to shit, for any reason and in any aggregate form))
      2. Sayan 3 May 2020 14: 16 New
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        Quote: fruit_cake
        Poles rode to the American wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, to Ukraine by mercenaries, slowly learn to shit

        Toilets washed and socks washed the owners
        1. Grandfather 3 May 2020 14: 53 New
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          Quote: Sayan
          Quote: fruit_cake
          Poles rode to the American wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, to Ukraine by mercenaries, slowly learn to shit

          Toilets washed and socks washed the owners

          water drink-condition
  2. Cer59 3 May 2020 12: 26 New
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    One question, but to hell with us Poland? can someone tell me?
    1. Non liberoid Russian 3 May 2020 12: 34 New
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      Well, we definitely don’t need it, without resources, with a chubby population ... but to the Psheks, yes, the hunt would have been to update the feeding trough, the memories of the CMEA are still alive
      1. orionvitt 3 May 2020 12: 55 New
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        Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
        with a chasing population ...

        Just to reduce the ambition. For the bazaar, as they say, it is necessary to answer.
    2. AllBiBek 3 May 2020 12: 35 New
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      Well what the fuck?
      So that after a hundred years it’s been going to fight the Germans.

      Belgium has a similar function, by the way, it consists in letting the Germans into the rear of the French, so that they do not forget how to surrender en masse.
    3. Grandfather 3 May 2020 14: 55 New
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      Quote: Cer59
      One question, but to hell with us Poland? can someone tell me?

      looked around ... no ... I do not need, and the neighbors, and indeed .. live in the world ....
    4. Insurgent 3 May 2020 15: 53 New
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      Quote: Cer59
      One question, but to hell with us Poland? can someone tell me?

      Russia, Poland, as such and do not needbut the Poles, certain territories of the Russian Federation, do not give rest as some mythical "arm-chairs" ...
    5. boriz 4 May 2020 18: 59 New
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      Poland was restored as the main limitrophy to complicate cooperation between Russia and Germany. For over 100 years (with a break of 1945 - 1991), Poland has coped with this task brilliantly.
  3. Teller 3 May 2020 12: 26 New
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    with the fact that in Poland, individuals apparently continue to consider options for “tank battles” with Russia.

    This time, everything will be easier .. Missile strike, Infantry advanced on km and so on!
    For Konev, etc. answer!
    1. Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 12: 31 New
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      The Konev Monument in the Czech Republic was removed, not in Poland.
      1. fruit_cake 3 May 2020 12: 49 New
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        Poles have long demolished monuments and pursue Russophobic policies
      2. orionvitt 3 May 2020 12: 59 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The Konev Monument in the Czech Republic was removed, not in Poland.

        What's the difference? In a word, “Visegrad Four”, in one world, they’re anointed. Already the Hungarians with the Romanians, raise a voice, which, along with Poland, suffered the most during the war.
        1. Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 13: 05 New
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          The Visegrad Four are Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. What do Romanians have to do with it? There was nothing to fight on the side of Hitler in Romania. So, logically, can Germany get to the point of declaring itself to be the most affected in World War II.
          1. orionvitt 3 May 2020 13: 32 New
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            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            And what about the Romanians?

            And what, and nothing? You might think that the Romanians are sitting away from this “hype”. To be honest, for me there is not much difference. By the way, the Finns are already pulling themselves up as "victims." Bulgarians are increasingly shouting about the "Soviet occupation". In such cases, one had to act like the Americans. Vaughn, neither Germany nor Japan, do not even dare to utter a word against the United States. And we, like, "friendship of peoples" damn it. That's just the people for friendship come across more and more ungrateful creatures. Nobody appreciates kindness, only power is respected.
      3. RwFanat_Kirov 3 May 2020 13: 28 New
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        In 1991, a monument to Konev was also dismantled in Krakow, but it was taken to Russia. Now in Kirov stands
      4. Tiksi-3 3 May 2020 14: 05 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The Konev Monument in the Czech Republic was removed, not in Poland.

        Vitalke (Mihan) in FIG who and for what and where and what exactly was removed .... the main thing is to throw earflaps above!))
    2. Grandfather 3 May 2020 14: 57 New
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      Quote: Count
      with the fact that in Poland, individuals apparently continue to consider options for “tank battles” with Russia.

      This time, everything will be easier .. Missile strike, Infantry advanced on km and so on!
      For Konev, etc. answer!

      at least you yourself, meehan, understand that you are cattle?
  4. businessv 3 May 2020 12: 28 New
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    in Poland, individuals apparently continue to consider options for “tank battles” with Russia.
    Greater Poland chauvinism prevents them from living! If it were not for him and not constant revisionist demands on various issues, to all neighbors without exception, this could have been quite a normal country!
    1. AllBiBek 3 May 2020 12: 38 New
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      Could.
      But never was.
      And never will be.
      Because the mentality and ambition.
      Here is a quarter of Polish blood in me, and the ambition is enough for three.

      Conclusion?

      In whom Polish blood 100% - in those and ambition for the twelve.
    2. Sky strike fighter 3 May 2020 12: 48 New
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      Quote: businessv
      in Poland, individuals apparently continue to consider options for “tank battles” with Russia.
      Greater Poland chauvinism prevents them from living! If it were not for him and not constant revisionist demands on various issues, to all neighbors without exception, this could have been quite a normal country!

      Rather, Greater Poland schizophrenism, which affects some individuals, prevents them from living in the real world.
  5. silberwolf88 3 May 2020 12: 28 New
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    since the polish army is more like a toy force ... they will play it in World of Tanks the most it ... they can even win there after hours of training)))
    1. Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 12: 41 New
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      Quote: silberwolf88
      since the polish army is more like a toy force ... they will play it in World of Tanks the most it ... they can even win there after hours of training)))


      Polish ground forces have about 900 tanks, mainly Polish T-72s, over 1 infantry fighting vehicles and over 600 helicopters.
      F-16C "Jastrząb" / F-16D "Jastrząb" - 36/12 ..... MiG-29A / MiG-29UB - 22/6
      DPL - 5 pieces .... frigates - 2 pieces.
      This is not going into or going deeper from open sources. If we consider in particular - the army is probably not enough, if you understand that this is one of the components of something bigger - probably enough ..... History should teach and history should remember - the one who underestimates the threat (of the enemy) often pays for it with a bloody yushka
      1. sabakina 3 May 2020 13: 02 New
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        Quote: Ovsigovets
        History must teach and history must remember - the one who underestimates the threat (of the enemy) often pays for it with a bloody yushka
        Someone teaches history, and someone teaches history. wink
      2. orionvitt 3 May 2020 13: 19 New
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        Quote: Ovsigovets

        Polish ground forces have about 900 tanks.
        History must teach and history must remember - the one who underestimates the threat (of the enemy) often pays for it with a bloody yushka

        The presence of tanks and aircraft does not yet make the enemy strong. The strength of the enemy is determined by other criteria. Ukraine has no less tanks than Poland (if not more) so what? Did they fight a lot? The Saudi army is considered one of the most equipped armies in the world, but can do nothing with barefoot Husites. There are many examples. Ours, on June 22, 1941, had an overwhelming superiority in tanks and aircraft, which did not prevent the Germans from reaching Stalingrad. No one says that our Germans were underestimated, retreated until they learned to fight.
        1. Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 13: 39 New
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          Quote: orionvitt
          Quote: Ovsigovets

          Polish ground forces have about 900 tanks.
          History must teach and history must remember - the one who underestimates the threat (of the enemy) often pays for it with a bloody yushka

          The presence of tanks and aircraft does not yet make the enemy strong. The strength of the enemy is determined by other criteria. Ukraine has no less tanks than Poland (if not more) so what? Did they fight a lot? The Saudi army is considered one of the most equipped armies in the world, but can do nothing with barefoot Husites. There are many examples. Ours, on June 22, 1941, had an overwhelming superiority in tanks and aircraft, which did not prevent the Germans from reaching Stalingrad. No one says that our Germans were underestimated, retreated until they learned to fight.


          what I’m talking about ... you need to remember all the lessons that history taught ... you don’t need to "throw" hats ... otherwise we first write about the "amusing" army, and then bury our
          1. orionvitt 3 May 2020 13: 54 New
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            Quote: Ovsigovets
            and then first we write about the "amusing" army, and then we bury our

            You did not understand. I wrote that no one had any illusions about the German army. Which by the way, at that time was most combat ready in the world. As for the Hungarians of the “blue divisions” and the other Romanians, they themselves did not represent a real fighting force. Here is the result. Captured Romanians. In the foreground, right Goiko Mitich. Although he was a Serb, but similar.
            In this form, the Romanians are very personal to me, given the things they have done to us.
    2. Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 13: 49 New
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      Poland's army is rather a toy force

      Ага. tongue
      https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojska_L%C4%85dowe
      Well, from your completely 100% patriots:
      https://inosmi.ru/europe/20090206/247286.html
      laughing
  6. Doccor18 3 May 2020 12: 53 New
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    The economy should be
    economical. If modern
    simulators allow you to teach
    newcomers to the basics of multi-ton machine control, why
    no. The main thing is that there should be no distortions. Trainers should be replaced by real marches
    and exercises as close as possible to combat
    conditions.
    Strong and modern army
    exists as an integral part of the economically strong
    state. And Poland, not having a strong economy, cherishes hope for great conquests.
    And it looks ridiculous.
  7. Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 13: 01 New
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    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    The Konev Monument in the Czech Republic was removed, not in Poland.


    "so he is a Bulgarian ...... yes? And what the hell is the difference?" (C)
  8. Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 13: 04 New
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    Quote: sabakina
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    History must teach and history must remember - the one who underestimates the threat (of the enemy) often pays for it with a bloody yushka
    Someone teaches history, and someone teaches history. wink


    so I would like us to be smart on the front and understand everything and foresee everything .... "hat-making" it is certainly gorgeous and warms the soul - but we must remember that Vanyusha will irrigate the strawberry with blood .... and our task is not destroy, and save this "Vanya"
    1. Range 3 May 2020 14: 13 New
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      We are sitting here on the couch, we can throw hats, and those who really need to protect Russia, keep their ears open and their nose in the wind.
  9. Ros 56 3 May 2020 13: 12 New
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    I don’t remember what battles the Polish tankers took part in, and whether there were any. I know Polish pilots from the battle for England, and Polish tankers only in the film "Three Poles, Georgians and a Dog." fellow request lol
    1. Pavel73 3 May 2020 13: 25 New
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      Taken off the tongue! :)
    2. Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 13: 34 New
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      The first tank ace of the Second World War - and in history in general (and the only one that became such on a wedge heel (!!!!)) - plutonowy podchorąży Edmund Roman Orlik.
      https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Roman_Orlik
  10. svp67 3 May 2020 13: 24 New
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    A virtual training ground for an entire tank brigade ... very cool and it will allow tankers to train joint action on any terrain, in any tactical situation using elements of a "network-centric war" ... yes, it can be envied. Of course, they will have to practically work on the training ground, but this is a great help in the field of military training
  11. Pavel73 3 May 2020 13: 24 New
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    If the Poles want to learn at least something, you need to start with "Four Tankers and a Dog."
  12. Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 13: 42 New
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    You just told us (in the publication there was a plot on this topic, approx. “VO”) about how large-scale exercises Russia is conducting - involving 100 thousand or more military personnel. And now you offer us to “rejoice” in deliveries with a simulator for our tankers.

    Probably - in the USSR, tank-riveted simulators and even special "training tanks" - they did not understand nifig.
    And when the "TV star in the forehead" from the press service of the RF Ministry of Defense - chokes with delight at the arrival of the "latest tank simulators" in the troops:
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201812050616-ficd.htm
    - they and the plot's customers - also do not understand nifig.
    And - well, yes - in the article about "wrong" and "fecky" POLISH trainers! bully
  13. Lord of the Sith 3 May 2020 13: 45 New
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    But then in WoT they will play well)))
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      Good, but not better than me. I have a stat 59% self-isolation to help wink
  14. Amateur 3 May 2020 13: 49 New
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    The grandfathers of the current Poles chopped German tanks with sabers. Well, the current Russian monitors showered.
    1. awdrgy 3 May 2020 14: 08 New
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      Fake of course (of those times) But it seems the Germans are building up))
    2. Antonio_Mariarti 3 May 2020 19: 54 New
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      It’s kind of ridiculous to read when ours did exactly the same ...
  15. Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 13: 56 New
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    Quote: orionvitt
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    and then first we write about the "amusing" army, and then we bury our

    You did not understand. I wrote that no one had any illusions about the German army. Which by the way, at that time was most combat ready in the world. As for the Hungarians of the “blue divisions” and the other Romanians, they themselves did not represent a real fighting force. Here is the result. Captured Romanians. In the foreground, right Goiko Mitich. Although he was a Serb, but similar.

    and I’ll write to you from the words of the Great Patriotic War participant, my grandfather ..... "the German came and gave us, but we don’t know how to dig trenches" (C) ... and the reason why the infantry didn’t know how to dig in? in the meantime, they learned to dig in "as expected" how many fell into the graves ???
  16. awdrgy 3 May 2020 14: 05 New
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    Dreams of Polish armored armada bringing Russia to its knees Avengers should be scary! Poland from sea to sea! Poland is power! We will avenge these Muscovites for breaking our muscle 400 years ago! (We’ll pump up a little more) In general, “brainpolitism”))
  17. Tank jacket 3 May 2020 14: 22 New
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    And what is the state of Poland? Heard is an occupied territory with Indians speaking Polish wassat
    Sow wheat, eat apples, there will be no subsidies from the EU!
    Instead of large-scale exercises, a gay parade ...
  18. ROSS_51 3 May 2020 14: 30 New
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    Why 2A5? Where is the Leopard 2A5 and where is Poland? They have no money for their rogue version of PL.
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    Why 2A5? Where is the Leopard 2A5 and where is Poland? They have no money for their rogue version of PL.

    as of 2014, the Polish ground forces: Leopard 2A5 - 105 pieces .... Leopard 2A4 - 142 pieces .... this is for leopards ... but there are still decent tanks, specifically PT-91 Twardy - 233 pieces and T-72M - 505 pieces
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    I propose to conduct bilateral exercises online.
  21. veritas 3 May 2020 22: 06 New
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    Polish comments: Large-scale exercises are held in the Russian Federation, and our tankers are offered to study on simulators

    They offer to play computer games. But this is normal, a vigorous cow does not need horns.
  22. Chingachguk 3 May 2020 22: 23 New
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    And what is the difference between simulators and exercises? Anyway, this is a miserable semblance of a left hand !!!!!
    In order to learn how to win, you need to go through more than one war and defeat them !!! The spirit of the people is important! And not a simulator, or whatever it is called .......
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    "I don’t remember something about the heroically dead crew of the simulator" Remove the rescope (s)
  24. To you, Polish women, that with sabers, that on the simulator, everything is the same ..... die!
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    I remember Shoigu invited everyone who wanted to participate in the tank biathlon, which prevents the brave Polish soldiers from coming - they will give us a tank!
  26. Yuri Matyushkov 5 May 2020 08: 13 New
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    I would also drive on a simulator, it will be abruptly wargaming wink