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Ukraine accused Russia of reluctance to establish the causes of the tragedy in Odessa

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Ukraine accused Russia of reluctance to establish the causes of the tragedy in Odessa

Ukraine accused Russia of "lack of interest in establishing an objective picture of the fire in the Odessa House of Trade Unions in 2014." The corresponding statement was circulated by the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.


A statement released by the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said that "the Foreign Ministry regrets the hypocrisy of Russian propaganda" on the sixth anniversary of the tragedy, which killed 48 people. It is argued that Russia is the only country in the world that "is clearly not interested in establishing the objective causes of the tragedy."

Russia (...) never mentions the bloody events in the city center that preceded the fire in the House of Trade Unions. Also, the established facts of internal fires in the House of Trade Unions, as well as the rescue of participants in a demonstration for the unity of Ukraine blocked in the House of Trade Unions covered by fire

- said in a statement.

In addition, Kiev accuses Russia of refusing to extradite and grant Russian citizenship to the former deputy chief of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Odessa Region, Dmitry Fuchedzha, who is undergoing proceedings.

Note that this is not the first statement of this kind made in the direction of Russia. Instead of engaging in a real investigation of the tragedy that claimed the lives of 48 people, the Ukrainian authorities continue to look for those responsible on the side. Last year, Kiev accused Moscow of "delaying the investigation of the tragedy." In turn, the Russian Foreign Ministry has repeatedly stated Kiev’s unwillingness to investigate the tragedy and called on international organizations to obtain an objective investigation from the Ukrainian authorities.
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  1. Vadim Zhivov
    Vadim Zhivov 3 May 2020 09: 20 New
    54
    Yes, who would doubt it .... Pan maidanutye again all turned upside down as they need ...
    1. Stalllker
      Stalllker 3 May 2020 09: 31 New
      -29
      I don’t think they need it
      1. Vadim Zhivov
        Vadim Zhivov 3 May 2020 09: 37 New
        +8
        And what do they ("Ukrainians" are not allowed to pass) want?
        1. Stalllker
          Stalllker 3 May 2020 09: 39 New
          +8
          Ukrainians are just a one-time tool, let’s say so. And their curators need
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 3 May 2020 13: 35 New
            +5
            Quote: Stalllker
            Ukrainians are just a tool

            Three quarters of those who consider themselves Ukrainians supported the Maidan and still believe that everything was done correctly.
          2. 4ekist
            4ekist 3 May 2020 14: 11 New
            +1
            More precisely, these are disposable contraceptives. I do not find other words.
        2. Stalllker
          Stalllker 3 May 2020 09: 39 New
          0
          Precisely does not pass))))
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 3 May 2020 11: 29 New
            21
            First of all. Ukrainian neo-fascists of the "maydanut" bottling, who are still in power in Kiev itself, do not want to be in the dock, like the Nazi executioners at the trial in Nuremberg in 1945.
            Therefore, the Kiev authorities themselves will never investigate the neo-Nazi "Bandera" coup d'etat in Ukraine, which is directly behind Washington and indirectly the same Berlin.

            Secondly. The same applies to the paid-up crime of the "maydanutyh" in Odessa on May 2, behind which, among other things, Kolomoisky is also.
            I well remember the video frames with a cynical calculation - "ours", "not ours" - of the burnt corpses in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa. Unknown persons, not showing themselves in the frame, counted the number of corpses and meticulously filmed them for the "owner" to pay for the work done.
            And who then publicly paid for this? Kolomoisky.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 3 May 2020 18: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: Tatiana
              ..The authorities in Kiev itself do not want to be in the dock like Hitler’s executioners.

              hi
              A new organization of "elusive avengers" has appeared in Odessa:

              And in Cherkasy, the mayor Anatoly Bondarenko staged an open riot against the "Kiev":
      2. Mityats
        Mityats 3 May 2020 09: 51 New
        -43
        According to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Russia refused to extradite one of the defendants in the investigation, the former deputy chief of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Odessa Region, Dmitry Fuchezh, and granted him Russian citizenship

        But really, I would like to know on what basis the deputy chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Dmitry Fuchegi, was granted Russian citizenship? Fuchedzh distinguished himself with two groans. At first, he directed that battle groups from Kulikov’s field with firearms attacked a column of football fans. That went to the stadium for a football match.
        Firearms were used there, several people were killed and this is in full view of the police, under their cover, due to the backs of the police.
        And then, when the football match was essentially foiled and a crowd of angry fans set out to smash tents on Kulovoy Pole. Fututeji went over to the other side and again did not intervene, allowing this tragedy to happen.
        Dmitry Fuchedzhi is a key figure in this matter and it is indisputable! Is he alive now? Where is he now? I would like to hear answers to these questions
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 3 May 2020 10: 00 New
          +5
          All these fraudsters associated with the crime of the Ukrainian state against their citizens are inappropriate for Russia to record and investigate.
          Simply, Ukraine is a state governed by a president with fascist education, managing a population with Nazi inclinations and having armed groups realizing an anarchist milieu with Nazi features.
          Point.
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 3 May 2020 13: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: hydrox
            Just Ukraine is a state of

            First of all, it borders on Russia and a third of whose citizens have relatives there. Therefore, only politicians who are trying to "fish in this muddy village ..." can hang labels and distance themselves from Ukraine's internal problems.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 3 May 2020 13: 38 New
              +2
              About labels - this is to the liberals, but about "first of all" - there are more than a dozen of them in the post-Soviet space - we cannot bear so much on our necks.
              Well, we’ll help the new Russians, of course: You are aware that more than a hundred humanitarian convoys have been sent from Russia to the Donbass - this is about 40-50 thousand tons of dissimilar cargoes for all population groups.
              And do not lead us to the point that instead of humanitarian aid, convoys with weapons will go there: calm down all these "brown servants of the people" - they will not swagger with them, and the miners are unlikely to want to take them prisoner (all the enemies of the Ukrainian people are known by surname - both liberals and Nazis) ... laughing
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 3 May 2020 19: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: hydrox
            Simply, Ukraine is a state governed by the president

            hi
            Wrong interpretation. T.N. the president does not rule the former Ukraine. Others do it for him ineptly and thieves, ranging from internal oligarchs and fascist "leaders" to external "guardians", "sponsors" and "commanders". And then there's the pandemic situation in the country - "walk the field". to what all this will lead even the most stubborn ukro-piteka begin to see.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 4 May 2020 06: 17 New
              +2
              You have competently "gathered together" all the signs that this year in Novorossia will surely "explode" and it would be good if the Russian leadership understood this, because "flapping ears" and fear of a negative reaction from the "community" DID to very negative consequences for Russia and Donbass, and the conciliatory behavior of Russia led to the crowding (freezing) of civil actions and activity on the territory of Novorossia: the reopening of this thankless state will require additional efforts, funds, finances and TIME.
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 4 May 2020 12: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: hydrox
                ... Russia's conciliatory behavior led to the bullying (freezing) of civil actions and activity on the territory of Novorossia ...


                I agree and have expressed my opinion on this issue many times, but the decisions are not made by us on the portals. It seems that the decision on the LPNR and other regions of the former Ukraine that are beginning to "wake up" will be made by the leadership of the Russian Federation, but the basis for it will still be the decision of the population of these regions (the Crimean version).
        2. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 3 May 2020 10: 09 New
          12
          Fucheja, since he is in Russia, do not hesitate - he is actively working with special services. So in Russia, in the case of the tragedy in the house of trade unions, enough evidence has been gathered to tear apart the conclusion favorable to the Ukrainian side in this case. Ukrainians do not risk, and pull the cat for the rubber ...
          1. Mityats
            Mityats 3 May 2020 10: 17 New
            -34
            Fucheja, since he is in Russia, do not hesitate - he is actively working with special services

            I would like to believe in it. As well as in the fact that we will see him someday.
            And then it can disappear like Boshirov and Petrov and everything .. ends in the water
        3. LKW UE
          LKW UE 3 May 2020 10: 12 New
          -59
          In the course of Fuchedzhi, Yanukovych and the SBU General accused of spying for Russia - did everything to organize the Maidan and riots, like many others that we do not know about yet.
          And then Russia rode into the Crimea on a white horse, Donbass disguised as the savior of Russian speakers, rejected Ukrainian territory and hypocritically continues to claim that everything that happens is beneficial only to the West, we only think about people ...
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 3 May 2020 10: 17 New
            37
            Quote: LKW UE
            In the course of Fucheji, Yanukovych and the SBU General accused of espionage in favor of Russia did everything to organize the Maidan and riots,

            That is, it was Fuchej who handed out cookies on the maydaun, the SBU general shot people from the House of Trade Unions in the back, and Yanukovych financed the maydaun? Well, do you smoke dirty stuff ....
            1. LKW UE
              LKW UE 3 May 2020 10: 18 New
              -52
              Yes, it’s straight, they personally, from hand to hand, eat less mushrooms ...
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 3 May 2020 10: 39 New
                38
                And, so it was from the mushrooms that I dreamed how Pashinsky was taking out sniper weapons from the House of Trade Unions ... Wow, how many people were "eating mushrooms."
                1. LKW UE
                  LKW UE 3 May 2020 10: 53 New
                  -47
                  If the Maidan was conceived by the West with the goal of preventing Yanukovosch from dragging Ukraine into the orbit of Russia's influence (even with a loan of $ 17 billion, of which Ukraine 3 already received and successfully forgave them to Russia), then Russia needed the Maidan - the deadline was close the rental of the Russian Navy in Sevastopol and the withdrawal of Ukraine into European integration is a geopolitical defeat for Russia. Therefore, everything was done brilliantly by the Russian special services. A tit in the hands (Crimea) is more important than good neighborly relations with Ukraine. Well, the truth about those events could tell Yanukovosch, but I think he wants to die a natural death ...
                  1. Ramzaj99
                    Ramzaj99 3 May 2020 11: 59 New
                    20
                    Quote: LKW UE
                    Therefore, everything was done brilliantly by the Russian special services.

                    Chubaty completely look crazy lost)))
                    That Russia goodbye, we will never be brothers and who does not jump that maskal .....
                    And as a govnetsom from Maidan smelled, so Russia has already made Maidan)))
                  2. forester1971
                    forester1971 3 May 2020 12: 35 New
                    +9
                    Prepare a more complete list of what else Russia is to blame for, in your opinion. It's like in a joke - "He's a comrade general also fucked up your pants."
                  3. CSKA
                    CSKA 4 May 2020 10: 03 New
                    +2
                    Quote: LKW UE
                    then Russia needed the maidan - the rental term of the Russian Navy in Sevastopol was close

                    I am not even surprised at the amnesia of dill. In 2010, the Presidents of Russia and Ukraine signed the Kharkov Agreements, which confirmed the status of the 1997 fleet agreements and extended them immediately for 25 years until 2042.
                    Or maybe tell tales? Maybe about Pashinsky remember who otmazyvaya from your own maydanutyh people on a Honda chord in which in the trunk of a sniper rifle lay? And of course, a huge number of bourgeois women suddenly appeared in gasified Kiev. And there were no financial flows from the West and did not give money to anyone on the Maidan.
              2. sabakina
                sabakina 3 May 2020 11: 01 New
                +4
                Quote: LKW UE
                Yes, it’s straight, they personally, from hand to hand, eat less mushrooms ...

                And I Kostroma breasts of a man! tongue
                1. Grits
                  Grits 3 May 2020 11: 21 New
                  +5
                  Quote: sabakina
                  And I Kostroma breasts of a man!

                  Wrong mushrooms you have. Loads from under Ternopol will be more fun. Just a few tricks - and drags for three weeks ...
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 3 May 2020 13: 44 New
                    +1
                    Yeah, they don’t let you get off the pot - many on the bloody and profuse are bent - even mushrooms in the Zapadenshchina grow evil!
                  2. mig29mks
                    mig29mks 3 May 2020 15: 46 New
                    0
                    Yes, where are three weeks, since 2014 and does not let go)))
            2. sleeve
              sleeve 3 May 2020 10: 37 New
              +3
              Why be surprised? Right now. Here, however, psychiatrists are more useful than political scientists.
          2. Souchastnik
            Souchastnik 3 May 2020 11: 32 New
            25
            And then Russia on a white horse rode into the Crimea, Donbass under the guise of a savior

            Disrespectful. The Ukrainian authorities have done everything possible to destroy the state, to grow nationalist and fascist movements, to embroil the Ukrainian and Russian peoples. They plotted for the silversmiths and in every possible way tried to spoil Russia under the guidance of curators from the United States. And when Russia was forced to take active steps to ensure its security and the Ukrainian fraudsters got on the scoreboard, there was a howl about treachery and "not brotherhood" of Russia. Or is it only your masters who have the right to ensure their safety around the world? How many years has Crimea been a part of Ukraine? And after perestroika, no one disputed it. From Russia to Ukraine they went to visit relatives, to rest in the Crimea. Everything was, if not normal, then calm. Who needed to aggravate the situation? Has Russia banned the Ukrainian language in the country? Are Ukrainian speakers oppressed in Russia? On the Arbat, your flag hangs on the House of Ukrainian Books and no one touches it there. And your evil flawed "heroes", like jackals, attack old men with St. George's ribbons, tear down and burn Russian flags. If you are so great and mighty, come and take the Crimea and Donbas, and do not yap with dibble statements. You are only capable of keeping the Crimean Prosecutor's Office, which must be sent to the madhouse together with your leadership.
            Mental health to you and sanity.
            1. LKW UE
              LKW UE 3 May 2020 12: 50 New
              -25
              Why aren’t you taking the Baltic states? There, it’s not that Russian was banned, they also declared Russian non-citizens !!! Your vile hypocrisy is amazing. Tell me bluntly, it was your last chance to take away Crimea, otherwise Ukraine would fall into the orbit of EU influence and goodbye dirty Russia! You organized and raised Maidan, you recruited Yanukovych and other agents of influence, thanks to which you torn away its territory from Ukraine. I hate Natsik, law-abiding, ragulky, Bandera, but I can never forgive Russia, which in a difficult moment invaded my house and took my territory.
              1. Souchastnik
                Souchastnik 3 May 2020 13: 09 New
                15
                Your presence in the European Union is in demand just like a well-known musical instrument for a minister of worship. You were lured like a donkey with a carrot, not about to be received there. All with the above stated goals. And Crimea has always been Russian. He profusely watered the blood of our ancestors. And to rush off to Europe taking something valuable with you did not work out. Went to the wrong resource. You are unlikely to find free ears here.
                1. LKW UE
                  LKW UE 3 May 2020 13: 18 New
                  -17
                  The EU needs Ukraine only as a supplier of raw materials and cheap labor, this is understandable. And I won’t go to fight for Crimea either, although he, too, is watered profusely with the blood of my ancestors. I hope Ukraine will find the strength and determination to break away from Russia, even with the loss of Donbass. I expressed my point of view, the rest does not bother me.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 3 May 2020 13: 23 New
                10
                Quote: LKW UE
                I hate Natsik, law-abiding, ragulky, Bandera, but I can never forgive Russia, which in a difficult moment invaded my house and took my territory.

                This is NOT YOUR TERRITORY: HUNDREDS of years so-called. "Ukrainians" lived happily and did not cry, they didn’t tear their hair, that Crimea and Novorossia did not belong to them, and then they were directly suffering because of other people's good, stolen from Russia and given to them by CRIMINALS.
              3. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 3 May 2020 14: 47 New
                +6
                treat a head. Crimea would never leave. this would physically lead to military action afterwards. on the contrary, you should be glad that everything happened like that. there are certain red lines and the base of the Navy in the Crimea can only be with the Russian fleet. any other there is unacceptable to the Russian Federation. in my opinion for 30 years it was already possible to understand this. As for my unwashed Ukrainian wife. and she doesn’t even want to think about your unfinished state. you are not a country. you are a bunch. camp. with a bunch of insane people at the head of it. and people like you whose village couldn’t get out of their heads. you cannot and do not want to think at least three moves.
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                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 4 May 2020 00: 32 New
                    +1
                    Yes, at least someone call. there are things that should not be allowed even for the sake of a good relationship. those who came to power were those who were enemies for our country and decisions were made based on this fact. that the world there didn’t care about everything. there are more important things. and there was no aggression. people decide for themselves what is better for them. a gang of subhumans who glorify a bandora or we. here is your truth. be proud of her. nothing would have happened had you not allowed a coup in your country.
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                      1. reservist
                        reservist 6 May 2020 14: 16 New
                        +1
                        Quote: LKW UE
                        - which was organized by Russia, sponsored and brilliantly took advantage of its fruits ...

                        and in Egypt, too, the FSB inherited?
              4. alekc75
                alekc75 3 May 2020 18: 18 New
                +3
                victim of the exam - go to school !!! Crimea has never been Ukrainian !!! and Ukraine as a state is a territory!
          3. Topol M
            Topol M 3 May 2020 12: 10 New
            +4
            What is this new b?
          4. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 4 May 2020 00: 46 New
            0
            About just two years ago, everyone wrote that for banderlogs it would turn out that Russia generally organized a maydown and led the junta.
        4. revnagan
          revnagan 3 May 2020 10: 15 New
          +7
          Quote: Mityats
          At first, he directed that battle groups from Kulikov’s field with firearms attacked a column of football fans. That went to the stadium for a football match.
          Firearms were used there, several people were killed and this is in full view of the police, under their cover, due to the backs of the police.

          Wow! What, really?! And you can link, with facts, photos, testimonies of witnesses? Names of the victims?
          1. Mityats
            Mityats 3 May 2020 10: 33 New
            -36
            Wow! What, really?! And you can link, with facts, photos, testimonies of witnesses? Names of the victims?

            Do not pretend to be Pecheneg. All the events of that time in Odessa, as on
            So Deribasovskaya and then at the House of Trade Unions went live several television channels until one in the morning. There are more than enough materials.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 3 May 2020 10: 36 New
              30
              So, I see armed militants in masks, with symbols of PSov. I do not see killed PSs "from behind the backs of the policemen." There are no names of the "victims." So you can put your propaganda video into your ... furnace.
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              2. Mityats
                Mityats 3 May 2020 13: 40 New
                -7
                Dear "Pecheneg", the fact that you "look at the book, but see a fig" is not my fault. Possibly the higher poor eyesight is to blame. To accuse me of showing a "propaganda" video is ridiculous. This video shows events without comments. Maybe that's why you didn't scatter who these masked people are? Writing the names of the victims for a person who can't look for information is funny .The fact that you have never heard of them does not mean that they did not exist. It just means that
                Russia (...) never mentions the bloody events in the city center that preceded the fire in the House of Trade Unions.

                My comment was not for people like you, but for those who were even a little on the topic of the tragic events in Odessa. I talked about the ex-chief of the police Fucheji.
                When there is a video in which police chief Fucheji gives an interview, and behind him is an armed representative of Anti-Maidan with a revolver. The law enforcement officer did not try to stop him.
            2. Pup1
              Pup1 3 May 2020 12: 45 New
              +4
              All is well ..... all lists are ... wait buddy .... and they will come for you .... wait
        5. Olgovich
          Olgovich 3 May 2020 10: 23 New
          24
          Quote: Mityats
          And then, when the football match was essentially foiled and a crowd of angry fans set off to smash tents on Kulovoy Field

          Crowd tebilov- visitors beast went through Odessa, killing and crippling Odessa citizens on the streets and completed her atrocity by burning people in the house of trade unions.

          Yesterday, hundreds of residents of Odessa came to honor the memory of compatriots who died at the hands of the Nvtsists.

          Eternal memory and deep respect for the fallen Odessa residents!

          And many of those Nazis-INHUMAN who staged a massacre -and no longer in this world.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 3 May 2020 13: 07 New
            +5
            Quote: Olgovich
            And many of those Nazis-INHUMPS who staged a massacre -and are no longer in this world ...

            They cleaned up their own "witnesses" ... Like the "centurion mykola" that appeared on the video shooting at the windows of the House of Trade Unions with a pistol - fell ill and died of a cold ...
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      3. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 3 May 2020 10: 01 New
        20
        Ukro-Bandera Nazis and the Ukrainian government covering them are to blame for the tragedy of Odessa.

        Wines Poroshenko is present. Zelensky is also guilty of allowing such provocations against Russia.

        Let provocateurs not rock the boat! Killed the citizens of Ukraine. Not Russia, not the USA, not Thailand.
      4. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 3 May 2020 11: 13 New
        0
        wow, anonymous bot is trying to think
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 3 May 2020 09: 36 New
      +8
      Ukraine accused Russia of reluctance to establish the causes of the tragedy in Odessa

      Who would doubt that in just such a pitch information on the outskirts ...

      Zaporizhzhya Internet edition "POSITION - All-Ukrainian socio-political newspaper"

      MFA: Moscow insisted on extradition of 9 rioters in Odessa

      03 May 2020 07: 29

      Foreign Ministry: Moscow insisted on the extradition of 9 participants in the riots in Odessa. At the talks on the exchange of prisoners of war, the Russian Federation insisted on the extradition of 9 people who took a direct and most active part in the riots on May 2, 2014 in Odessa, the press service of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine reported.

      Literally, the message says: "As part of the negotiations on the mutual release of the detainees in September-December 2019, Russia insisted on the extradition of at least 9 people who took direct or indirect participation in organizing mass riots in Odessa under Russian flags."

      The Foreign Ministry called on the international community to fight Russian propaganda and accused Moscow of spreading misinformation.

      It is worth noting that on Saturday, May 2, on the 6th anniversary of the tragic events in Odessa, near the Kulikovo field, clashes again occurred. The conflict occurred due to the fact that one of the men did not like the fact that the other speaks Ukrainian. A few more people intervened in the conflict, but the matter did not come to serious clashes, police officers intervened in the situation.


      http://pozitciya.com.ua/79589-mid-moskva-nastaivala-na-vydache-9-uchastnikov-besporyadkov-v-odesse.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ua%2Fnews
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 3 May 2020 10: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: Insurgent
        Ukraine accused Russia of reluctance to establish the causes of the tragedy in Odessa

        This is the result of a slurred position of the Russian Federation.
        A simple principle of politics is that if you don’t press, then they press you.
        They always try to put the opposite side in the position of making excuses.
        We can say for a long time that this is a "brazen unreasonable hit", BUT - it will already look like excuses. What Ukraine actually wanted.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 3 May 2020 10: 18 New
          +4
          Quote: Hlavaty
          This is the result of a slurred position of the Russian Federation.
          A simple principle of politics is that if you don’t press, then they press you.

          I have nothing to add to your comment No.
          1. Basil50
            Basil50 3 May 2020 10: 41 New
            +2
            * Allah is great *, did not allow the outskirts to succumb to fashion trends from Europe, including the search for new * guilty of world problems *. Traditions should be protected.
            It is a pity that the Ukrainians follow the very stupid traditions of Europe and the British were chosen as a role model. They also poisoned on their territory both the traitor and a whole bunch of English subjects, and then blamed RUSSIA for everything. Even today in England, in the absence of a clear investigation, they continue to mutter the compromising intellectual and moral physiognomy of the queen and her servants.
          2. Grits
            Grits 3 May 2020 11: 30 New
            0
            Quote: Insurgent
            I have nothing to add to your comment

            But you can add another. Ukrainian Natsiks were more organized and motivated than those who were against them. They were able by force and cruelty to sow wild horror before the new fascists, in fact, having driven the pro-Russian movement not even underground, but under the bench. Unfortunately, this also needs to be recognized. there were no persistent people in Odessa like those who were in the Donbass. Unlike the inhabitants of Donbass, the inhabitants of Odessa, in fear, burrowed into holes and dented in what Natsik could do with them at any moment, they were afraid to stick their nose out of there. Fascism in Odessa won.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 3 May 2020 13: 11 New
              +3
              Quote: Gritsa
              atoms can add another. Ukrainian Natsiks were more organized and motivated than those who were against them. They were able by force and cruelty to sow wild horror before the new fascists, in fact, having driven the pro-Russian movement not even underground, but under the bench.

              It must be admitted that the Natsiks had strong support from the oligarchy - they were clearly controlled, financed and armed, but the pro-Russian movements acted only on their own and without any support from Russia itself! This is the huge mistake of our government, which led to many victims!
              1. Grits
                Grits 3 May 2020 13: 33 New
                +3
                Quote: Albert1988
                It must be admitted that the Natsiks had strong support from the oligarchy - they were clearly controlled, financed and armed, but the pro-Russian movements acted only on their own and without any support from Russia itself! This is the huge mistake of our government, which led to many victims!

                Here you are right. And this also needs to be recognized.
            2. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 3 May 2020 16: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: Gritsa
              Unfortunately, this also needs to be recognized. there were no persistent people in Odessa like those who were in the Donbass.

              Found. They were burned in the house of trade unions.
              Probably could not find something else ...

              Quote: Gritsa
              Unlike residents of Donbass, Odessa residents in fear hid themselves in burrows

              What can you say about the inhabitants of the Ukrainian part of Donbass? They, too, "huddled in their holes in fear"?

              How easily you throw accusations ... Following your logic, you can accuse the LPR republics of not liberating the entire region, but sitting in their "separate districts" because "they will remember what the Nazis can do with them at any moment, are afraid to stick their nose out of there. "

              If you are so brave, go to Odessa and show everyone how to proceed. But in words ...
              1. Grits
                Grits 4 May 2020 10: 05 New
                0
                Quote: Hlavaty
                If you are so brave, go to Odessa and show everyone how to proceed. But in words ...

                And why should I go to defend the interests of those who do not want to protect them myself, staying on the edge? Let them take care of themselves. Although, before it was necessary to think and wet the Natsik as the inhabitants of Donbas did it.
                And if in my small homeland the Natsiks tried to do something similar, then I would certainly dig out my karamultuk, do not worry. And my hand would not flinch ...
    3. loki565
      loki565 3 May 2020 11: 02 New
      11
      Also, the established facts of internal fires in the House of Trade Unions, as well as the rescue of participants in a demonstration for the unity of Ukraine blocked in the House of Trade Unions covered by fire, are also not mentioned.
      how did they save them? shot at people who tried to get out through the windows?
    4. Hagen
      Hagen 4 May 2020 10: 35 New
      0
      Quote: VadimLives
      Maydan pan again turned everything over as they needed ...

      They did not "overturn" anything. They wrote nonsense and think that they have got rid of it. Georgia thought the same thing in 2008. But the truth will eventually come out. I believe in it. For this, the materials are collected in the form of initiated criminal cases. I hope to see them in court, along with the defendants.
  2. lucul
    lucul 3 May 2020 09: 20 New
    +8
    Ukraine accused Russia of "lack of interest in establishing an objective picture of the fire in the Odessa House of Trade Unions in 2014".

    Hutspa ordinary - this is called ....
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 3 May 2020 11: 40 New
      +3
      Ukraine accused Russia of "lack of interest in establishing an objective picture of the fire
      And she also blamed the lack of interest in the death of dinosaurs, the death of Atlantis, the explosion of the Tunguska meteorite and the death of green birds from Alpha Centauri! Bullshit of a madman!
  3. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 3 May 2020 09: 24 New
    +1
    do not touch something - it does not stink ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 3 May 2020 10: 03 New
      +5
      You are wrong :: Ukrainians as an ideology (especially as a state one!) ALWAYS smelled like Nazism (within the framework of national superiority) and this "flavor" for the state institutions of Ukraine will remain forever. yes
  4. private person
    private person 3 May 2020 09: 25 New
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    Ukraine accused Russia of reluctance to establish the causes of the tragedy in Odessa

    Why does Russia need this? Everyone already knows who did it. Whatever step Russia takes, it is still "to blame" for the Banderlog, the question is that a bolt has been hammered into Ukraine in connection with the pandemic.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 3 May 2020 10: 11 New
      -1
      This is not related to the pandemic, it is simply "not up to them," but there will also be some confusion among the population among the villagers, since the mortality rate among socially active "Maidan residents" will noticeably thin out the ranks of browns in comparison with ordinary skakuas.
      1. private person
        private person 3 May 2020 10: 51 New
        +3
        mortality among socially active "Maidan" will noticeably thin out the ranks of browns in comparison with ordinary skakuas.

        Do you really believe that? Something these most active "maydanutye" live and prosper, and there is not the slightest hint of an imminent death, even those who were prophesied.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 3 May 2020 13: 13 New
          -1
          Quote: private person
          Do you really believe that? Something these most active "maydanutye" live and prosper, and there is not the slightest hint of an imminent death, even those who were prophesied.

          It depends on the position and that. how much this maydannik knows - a lad, of course, he is well, but his lackey the centurion mykaol, who shot at people in Odessa, has long since died ... the poor thing "caught a cold" ...
          1. private person
            private person 3 May 2020 15: 20 New
            +1
            the centurion of mykola, who shot at people in Odessa, rested long ago

            This is an ordinary "torpedo" consumable such there is a bulk of them, no one considers these mykols.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 May 2020 09: 28 New
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    Well, do not blame yourself for this? There you can reproduce the entire chronology of events every minute. By the way, why are they silent about Dnepropetrovsk? Just because people were cleaned there "quietly" ...?
    I would generally veto messages from VNA. You won’t be able to hear anything true from there ... And you don’t need to feed ukrofashistsky trolls to VO. Trolls, ay !!!
    1. Buxlov
      Buxlov 3 May 2020 10: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Well, do not blame yourself for this? There you can reproduce the entire chronology of events every minute. By the way, why are they silent about Dnepropetrovsk? Just because people were cleaned there "quietly" ...?

      All right! Every moment was recorded there, these same Bandera Natsiks and filmed boasting about each other (remember the shish kebabs from Moscow ...?) Then they quieted down, realizing that they would have to answer, but it was too late ..

      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Yes, and ukrofashistsky trolls feed on the VO is not necessary. Trolls, ay !!!

      Now they will appear when mass backtracking and complaints begin to flow ... I imagine what will happen here on May 9 .. soldier
      1. Grits
        Grits 3 May 2020 11: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Buxlov
        All right! Every moment was recorded there, these same Bandera Natsiks and filmed boasting about each other (remember the shish kebabs from Moscow ...?) Then they quieted down, realizing that they would have to answer, but it was too late ..

        At least one answered? And do not answer, do not expect. They have shown very effectively what methods can work. So it was shown that friends, relatives and friends of the victims did not even think about revenge and some kind of punishment for those who brutally killed their friends. Therefore, they themselves are shaking from fear, having piled on full pants, remembering that revealing flogging. There are no more heroes in Odessa - there are clowns and traders.
        If all those who flashed on the video would periodically appear swinging on chestnuts or with holes in their heads in the garbage cans of the city, I would believe that Odessa did not forget and did not forgive. And so ... wait, that itself will resolve and a bright future will come, that Natsiks themselves can rest for a long time from shame.
    2. beeper
      beeper 3 May 2020 12: 28 New
      +4
      You are right, Gorny Rifleman, "quietly" Banderonazi "activists" killed the residents of Dnepropetrovsk and the region, but all the attention of the "public" was then focused on the events in Kiev and in the unconquered "peremogu Maidan" Crimea!
      Dnepropetrovsk, a multinational industrial regional city with a millionaire on both sides (Left Bank and Right !!!) of the great Russian River, was executed by an unbelted bandera before Odessa, and there were more mass casualties, although it was also recorded by a video of a gang of banderlogs of people right on the streets (even among broad daylight !!!) killed and drowned in the Dnieper!
      But all these post-Maidan massacres-murders of "unseen" took place "pointwise", in a street labyrinth, in different places of our cities and regions! There was no such thing as in Odessa, localized on one spacious square and in one large building, the massacre-Burning and, caused by this picture of the terrible atrocity of the Maidan militants and their local hangers-on, the mass execution of peaceful people online, resonance in Ukraine and Russia!

      Therefore, to robbing Ukraine and Ukrainian workers, kleptoligarchs - "w / Bandera", for the greater intimidation of our Ukrainian population(for the most part, opposed to the Ameroholui Maidan coup d'etat and the Kiev junta, especially in light of the March salvation and protection of millions of our fellow citizens of Crimea by Russia, the fateful April Fool's Day permission from the Russian Council of Federation to V.V. Putin about the use of the Russian Armed Forces beyond the cordon, and the slogans of the Russian Spring -anti-bourgeois Novorossia, with its slogans of immediate nationalization, return to the working people, plundered by parasites - "grabber" of our All-Union Soviet Property!) a demonstrative mass reprisal was so necessary against the "wrong fellow citizens" who resisted the anti-constitutional coup d'etat and the destructive Maidan Euro-slavery, who remained under their rule, the anti-national anti-state banderonazi occupation!

      What they, kleptoligarchs - "w / Bandera", after consultations with the Ameroposl and other "common Europeans" - the organizers of the Kiev coup - "Euromaidan", and made in Odessa on May 2, 2014 with the bloody paws of their marginal lackeys, sadists and murderers with Bandera Nazi medal support, face "world community" and "non-human media" !!! negative
  6. mikhailovich22
    mikhailovich22 3 May 2020 09: 31 New
    +8
    Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, you ask the local Cicero about the Odessa tragedy, he will tell you everything.

    And Dmitry Fucheja needs a living for the trial.
  7. taiga2018
    taiga2018 3 May 2020 09: 38 New
    +7
    Ukraine has an inferiority complex of an inferior under-state, and it will be a mongrel hanging around under the feet of Russia until it gives a good kick ...
  8. Borz
    Borz 3 May 2020 09: 39 New
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    The loudest "stop thief!" the thief himself shouts. Instead of investigating this heinous crime, the Ukrainian authorities are looking in vain for those responsible in the neighboring country. But we know who is guilty. We remember. May 2, 2014 - shock, 2015 - confusion and fear, 2016-2018 - dull anger, 2019 - hope that those responsible for this tragedy will be punished. 2020 is a disappointment. What's next?
    Yesterday, despite quarantine, Odessa residents came to the House of Trade Unions and laid flowers. Not without provocations, of course, but not like in previous years.
  9. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 3 May 2020 09: 41 New
    +7
    Ukraine accused Russia of reluctance to establish the causes of the tragedy in Odessa

    Really. They came in large numbers, arranged a maidan, fed them cookies ...
    And Russia, Ukraine, painted the flag in yellow-blue color and did not allow wearing lace panties ... wassat
    And did not allow men to wear women's ... wassat lol
  10. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 3 May 2020 09: 44 New
    +3
    Goebbels was right when he spoke of a lie ... plus a lack of mind, and such statements are born in the inflamed brains of the pan-leg
  11. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 3 May 2020 09: 50 New
    +3
    Bastards. In Odessa, all the perpetrators and those involved are known by name. The tribunal will be. Witnesses will be the sea. Russia needs all kinds of Fuchedzh as witnesses who know a lot.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 3 May 2020 10: 19 New
      -5
      In fact, Russia is not interested in either witnesses, persons involved, or accomplices ...
      We are only interested in what cannot be today: the verdict against the Ukrainian state and its ruling authorities "for the inaction of the authorities, which caused the mass death of civilians who are not in the status of" offenders ".
      And whether they will flog their power, plant or shoot - we don't care about it. "
  12. Grandfather Crimea
    Grandfather Crimea 3 May 2020 09: 55 New
    0
    Lies and falsifications, as well as the brute force of "activists" - neo-Nazi nationalists under the influence of the police - does "great" things in Ukraine. Another example (friends write and there was a photo, but it was erased because it was useless, but it's probably a pity). In the central region, they opened (or rather re-equipped), a lump stone with a table in honor of those who died on the Maidan was changed, in the spirit of the times, put 14 or 15 years, and in the last "anniversary" they put figures of 3 men-men, women and a child-girls. It would seem that this is unusual? - only all the figures are drilled dozens of times - that is, pierced by bullets - drilled. Which of the children died from the bullets of the "hated Yanukovych regime" on the Maidan? -Yes, not one! And in the east, the army and the Nazis took indeed more than a hundred lives of children, but this does not fit into the current moment.
  13. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 3 May 2020 10: 13 New
    +4
    Ukraine accused Russia of "lack of interest in establishing an objective picture of the fire in the Odessa House of Trade Unions in 2014". ...... OOPS. and what is the Odessa region already in the Russian Federation? did not know. I need to call the residents of Odessa. greet
  14. Svetlana
    Svetlana 3 May 2020 10: 36 New
    0
    The best way to defend this is an attack and the hoxles know about it and take advantage of it. Goats.
  15. Shadow041
    Shadow041 3 May 2020 10: 43 New
    +2
    Bandera animals committed a mass murder on ethnic grounds, and even has the audacity to blame Russia !!! It's time to answer them so that the sky with a sheepskin seemed !!!
  16. leonek16
    leonek16 3 May 2020 10: 45 New
    0
    Indeed, Goncharenko himself admitted, live, that it was he who shot the tents in the sandpit field. What other doubts may be that it was planned a gangster action to intimidate Odessa
  17. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 3 May 2020 11: 00 New
    +5
    Still have questions?
  18. gurzuf
    gurzuf 3 May 2020 11: 01 New
    -1
    Ukraine accused Russia of "lack of interest in establishing an objective picture of the fire in the Odessa House of Trade Unions in 2014. I believe in this. After all, the Ukrainian authorities are interested in the burning process itself, and not the persons involved in this process.
  19. anjey
    anjey 3 May 2020 11: 11 New
    +1
    No wonder, this is the same as planning, together with Western intelligence agencies, to destroy the Malaysian Boeing and destroy it and then blame everything on Russia, though in this case the West is trying more and Kraina is a criminal, sitting silent.
  20. beeper
    beeper 3 May 2020 11: 14 New
    +2
    This Maidan idiocy with the anti-Russian "statements of the MZS" from sick to healthy! They would have "zvernutsya" with this to their colleagues from the MVS (Ministry of Internal Affairs)!

    Banderonazi "Maidan authorities" with all their might and all these years have been carrying on such an objective investigation! Moreover, he puts forward a variety of versions about the alleged suicide - "self-arson" of peaceful Odessa citizens, who in panic took refuge in the House of Trade Unions from the raid of a bloodthirsty crowd of organized murderers brought to Odessa (mainly from the "ethnically correct" Zapukriya!), Banderonazi extremists-Mayda!
    After all, the Banderlogists themselves, "myzdobuly", in the euphoria of Maidan impunity, videotaped their anti-popular criminal offenses and boasted about them, with obscene comments (openly mocking - "shashliks", "Colorado females" reprisals !!!) were posted on the Internet for everyone to see, but nothing disappears on the Web without a trace!

    Fuhrer "Euromaidan" this frightening w / Bandera "action" - massacre of hundreds (48 killed citizens is just a fictitious "official figure", forcedly recognized by the criminals themselves!) "Wrong Ukrainian residents" in Odessa organized, ensured its implementation and " covering up the traces of the "crime, just as they successfully organized the earlier murder-shot by hired" unknown snipers "almost" hundreds "of their own" Svidomo "co-conspirators -" low-value "Maidan extremists and their indulgences" in pans "in Kiev!

    In addition, for some reason, in connection with the Odessa Tragedy, little is mentioned about the evidence of intravital seizure (in the improvised operating centers of "black transplantologists" equipped in city basements and vans!) Of internal organs from people captured by banderlogs ?!
    After all, traces lead to the international mafia of "black transplantation" - including the Dutch wife of the Georgian "tie-making" - Sandra Rullofs and her accomplice, the well-known Maidan "doctor", who "helped" her back in the "Euromaidan" infirmary, when he received "the second breath ", just an unprecedented upsurge, this" business "(very developed during the entire anti-national" independence ", with all the ukroprezikah !!!) .... these heinous crimes w / Bandera" Maidan authorities ", making a profitable" gesheft "even on the bodies of dead fellow citizens, too, for years waiting for their objective investigation !!!
  21. Potomac
    Potomac 3 May 2020 11: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Mityats
    And then, when the football match was essentially foiled and a crowd of angry fans set off to smash tents on Kulovoy Field

    Crowd tebilov- visitors beast went through Odessa, killing and crippling Odessa citizens on the streets and completed her atrocity by burning people in the house of trade unions.

    Yesterday, hundreds of residents of Odessa came to honor the memory of compatriots who died at the hands of the Nvtsists.

    Eternal memory and deep respect for the fallen Odessa residents!

    And many of those Nazis-INHUMAN who staged a massacre -and no longer in this world.


    Do not speak for everyone. Yes, we carried flowers yesterday, honored memory. But we grieve for all the inhabitants of Odessa. It does not matter, supporters of European Ukraine or the Union with the Russian Federation. These are people of our city, we value every life.
  22. regdan
    regdan 3 May 2020 11: 29 New
    -12
    Once again, they wiped their feet about Russia. What does Syklo say in the Kremlin?
  23. businessv
    businessv 3 May 2020 11: 41 New
    +2
    Russia is the only country in the world "clearly not interested in establishing the objective causes of the tragedy."
    Once again, it’s fashionable to grunt toward Russia today - they will not blame themselves for being independent !!
  24. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 3 May 2020 11: 59 New
    +1
    that’s freezing ## e poga # tsy ... a bunch of murderers and scum of different stripes also blame ... all the questions to the mirror ...
    over the years of "freedom" in Ukraine, a nation of scoundrels and quiet people has grown up encouraging lawlessness ... to whom everyone around should do something there instead of them
  25. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 3 May 2020 12: 02 New
    0
    but in fact, without going into any details there, the following happened in Odessa - because of some "verbal" disagreements, there was a mass murder of Ukrainian citizens by other citizens of Ukraine ... and not by a court verdict, but so ... because "Vatniki" .... and the most disgusting thing - NOBODY has been held responsible and will not bear "in our age" ...... BUT after that the Ukrainians will try to push us in the internet again about "food-land")))) )))) while you treat the citizens of your country so "zealously and according to the sovereign" there will never be peace in Ukraine ... and even no "mercenaries" are unnecessary .... you yourself will kill each other ....... ...
  26. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 3 May 2020 12: 09 New
    +1
    Learned from their curators to turn upside down. Capable students.
  27. ltc22A
    ltc22A 3 May 2020 12: 16 New
    -1
    "The Foreign Ministry expresses regret for the hypocrisy of Russian propaganda" on the sixth anniversary of the tragedy in which 48 people died. At the same time, it is argued that Russia is the only country in the world "clearly not interested in establishing the objective causes of the tragedy."

    RIA Novosti: The UN Monitoring Mission for Human Rights in Ukraine (IHRC) published a report on the investigation into the events of May 2, 2014, which states that no one was held responsible for the deaths of 48 people. The head of the mission noted that this state of affairs testifies to the authorities' disinterest in the search and punishment of those responsible, and the actions of Ukrainian law enforcement officers allow us to talk about the bias of the investigation.

    Well, what else can I say? Maidown of the brain.
  28. Alsur
    Alsur 3 May 2020 12: 37 New
    0
    Quote: Mityats
    According to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Russia refused to extradite one of the defendants in the investigation, the former deputy chief of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Odessa Region, Dmitry Fuchezh, and granted him Russian citizenship

    But really, I would like to know on what basis the deputy chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Dmitry Fuchegi, was granted Russian citizenship? Fuchedzh distinguished himself with two groans. At first, he directed that battle groups from Kulikov’s field with firearms attacked a column of football fans. That went to the stadium for a football match.
    Firearms were used there, several people were killed and this is in full view of the police, under their cover, due to the backs of the police.
    And then, when the football match was essentially foiled and a crowd of angry fans set out to smash tents on Kulovoy Pole. Fututeji went over to the other side and again did not intervene, allowing this tragedy to happen.
    Dmitry Fuchedzhi is a key figure in this matter and it is indisputable! Is he alive now? Where is he now? I would like to hear answers to these questions

    Mitya, why do you write on the website of the aggressor country or are you on duty?
    PS In your opinion, a torn match or any action unknown to anyone gives the right to go kill?
    1. Mityats
      Mityats 3 May 2020 14: 01 New
      +2
      You are much smarter than my previous commentator. Can't you see that I am not justifying anyone?
      I perfectly understand both sides of the conflict. And both of them do not like it.
      My post was about the ex-chief of the police Fucheja.
      I was wondering on what basis Did he get Russian citizenship?
      и Will we see him yet when?
      Or to ask such a question - is tantamount to entry in Bandera?
  29. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 3 May 2020 12: 48 New
    0
    Those. Ukrofashists themselves burned their citizens in their city, and blame Russia for something?
    Toxic hutspa, envy the Jews.

    Z.Y. Or maybe they blame it because Odessa is a Russian city?
  30. Andrey the Magnificent
    Andrey the Magnificent 3 May 2020 13: 32 New
    -1
    That's all for "not brothers" so everyone around is to blame !!!
  31. alien
    alien 3 May 2020 13: 39 New
    0
    “But those in Galicia, to whom Bandera seems“ their own, ”should decide what is more important for them: Bandera or Ukraine? Because an attempt to exalt Bandera will lead to a split in Ukraine. You start Bandera - you finish terror and separatism.

    If the state recognizes the role model of a terrorist, it means that it bless terror against himself. Anyone who does not like Ukraine will be able to justify the Bandera methods of dealing with it. He will say: if the Bandera organization killed officials and even just teachers, it means that anyone in this country permissible to do the same in the name of their ideas. I don’t know if Yushchenko understood such consequences of his decree, but they will follow exactly. Do you want this in a multinational country? I do not want.
    Present-day Ukraine is the result of Soviet and anti-Soviet Ukraine. But the Soviet Union has long become post-Soviet. No one erects monuments to Stalin in the east. But it is precisely a fresh monument to Bandera that scares away tourists from Lviv. Dead man does not live alive. Either Ukraine, or Bandera - there is no other choice.»

    Oles Buzin, 14 March 2010 of the year
    https://buzina.org/povtorenie/2707-ili-bandera-ili-ukraina.html
  32. vavilon
    vavilon 3 May 2020 14: 48 New
    -1
    Do not compare Ukrainian people from
    Maidanut power, the bulk of the people has nothing to do with them.
    But Russia really showed weakness that it did not send troops to protect the legitimate president and the Ukrainian people from this locust
  33. ximkim
    ximkim 3 May 2020 15: 03 New
    0
    What can I say. what to write ... The usual news is that Ukraine (Ukraine accused Russia of "lack of interest in establishing an objective picture of the fire in the Odessa House of Trade Unions in 2014". The corresponding statement was circulated by the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.), or rather, the General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine did not make a list, did not initiate proceedings that carried away dozens of people, I now do not know how the General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine initiated proceedings, that is: who are the victims for her, and who are the victims for her in the fire.
    And here is Russia?
  34. Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 3 May 2020 15: 13 New
    0
    Kapets, it’s like in your family quarrel to show the neighbor on the site that he does not want to find out all the circumstances of your quarrel with your wife in the middle of the night, but simply called the policeman because of screams and curses heard throughout the porch.
    I'm not talking about the tragedy in Odessa itself, I'm talking about the logic of maydaunov. Real schizos! Ward number 6!
  35. NF68
    NF68 3 May 2020 16: 08 New
    0
    In this case, allow the Russian law enforcement agencies to investigate what happened in Odessa on May 2, 2014. And do not bother. them.
  36. BAI
    BAI 3 May 2020 16: 30 New
    +3
    Ukraine accused Russia of "lack of interest in establishing an objective picture of the fire in the Odessa House of Trade Unions in 2014".

    The classical behavior of my village neighbors (I wonder who tore off from whom?) - they will do disgust (meanness) and immediately blame the victims.
    1. Mihail2019
      Mihail2019 3 May 2020 17: 39 New
      0
      Bull's-eye! And there is!
      By the way, it is not surprising - in Kiev nowadays, in essence and in the way of thinking, it is the "seluks" who rule - exactly as you described: mean, deceitful and, moreover, narrow-minded neighbors. With outlook and dreams, no further than the neighboring "hut" ..
  37. Incompetent
    Incompetent 3 May 2020 19: 53 New
    -1
    In fact, at first there was a skirmish in the Greek city center. The pro-Ukrainian ultras, flushed from the match and the fascists provoked by a small group of anti-Maidan supporters and feeling their advantage in winning in the center, went to smash the house of trade unions. Why did the anti-Maidanists in such a small group go from the Kulikovo field to the center? As in my opinion, there was no conspiracy, just by that time much less people were going to the demonstration (more than half of them were women and pensioners) and this was the last "exhaust" of the anti-Maidan fighting group, the reason for which was the dispersal of the anti-Maidan in Kharkov. When there were a lot of us, the leaders decided to act cautiously and within the framework of the laws, and when, due to the absence of changes, the protest movement was extinguished, the most ardent ones could not stand it and made a stupid provocation. It was necessary either to beat them when there were a lot of us and take the city, but our leaders did not have a "darling" and external support, or already let the protest cool down to the end and go home, but at least they did not allow the tragedy
  38. 7 poplar
    7 poplar 4 May 2020 00: 16 New
    0
    Well, cattle! You can’t pick up more words ....... for salotopes.