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The Ambassador of Ukraine in Berlin refused to celebrate the victory over Nazism with the ambassadors of the Russian Federation and Belarus

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The Ambassador of Ukraine in Berlin refused to celebrate the victory over Nazism with the ambassadors of the Russian Federation and Belarus

The Ambassador of Ukraine to Germany Andriy Melnyk refused to honor the memory of the victims of World War II in the presence of the mayor of Berlin and the ambassadors of Russia and Belarus. It is reported by the German newspaper Der Tagesspiegel.


According to the publication, the mayor of Berlin, Michael Mueller, planned, together with representatives of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, to lay a wreath in memory of the end of World War II, but the Ukrainian ambassador Andrei Melnik refused to participate in the planned celebrations. According to the Ukrainian diplomat, he appreciates the invitation, as it says "about the recognition of the indisputable contribution of the Ukrainian people in the liberation of Europe from fascism", but will not participate in the event, since the ambassador of the "aggressor country" will participate in it.

Even in the worst nightmare, I can’t imagine that I lay wreaths on the side of representatives of a country that has been cynically waging a bloody war in eastern Ukraine for more than six years. To date, over 14 thousand Ukrainians have been killed during the still ongoing Russian aggression. Every day and every night my compatriots are wounded and killed

- He said, adding that a joint respect for memory is unthinkable and the mayor of Berlin should know about it.

At the same time, Melnik said that in Germany, more attention should be paid to the Ukrainian victims of Nazism and called on the Berlin authorities to erect a monument to them.

Therefore, I urge the Bundestag and the Senate of Berlin to erect a monument to the Ukrainian victims of Nazism in a prominent place in the center of the capital, as well as create an appropriate information bureau

- demanded the Ukrainian ambassador.

The publication recalls that because of the war in the Donbass in Berlin for five years no joint Russian-Ukrainian celebrations have been held. Russia traditionally celebrates Victory Day on May 9, and Ukraine on May 8, as is customary in the USA and Europe.
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  1. marchcat
    marchcat 2 May 2020 17: 41 New
    29
    No mind, consider a cripple !!! fool
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 2 May 2020 18: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: marchcat
      No mind, consider a cripple !!! fool

      for his upset ...
      1. Dmitry Donskoy
        Dmitry Donskoy 2 May 2020 18: 25 New
        34
        Winners celebrate on May 9, and losers on May 8. hi
      2. 210ox
        210ox 2 May 2020 19: 07 New
        17
        And to hell with him, ragul. The air will be cleaner at the celebration
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 2 May 2020 20: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          And to hell with him, ragul. The air will be cleaner at the celebration

          And we will take it?
          If Ukraine does not consider itself a winning country, if they, like all of Europe, are “victims” Go ahead please ...

          We are not one of those. We are the generation of Winners. And we know that ...
          1. 76rtbr
            76rtbr 3 May 2020 00: 57 New
            0
            but why is your writing ??
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            And we will take it?
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 3 May 2020 18: 46 New
              -1
              Quote: 76rtbr
              but why is your writing ??
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              And we will take it?

              Everything is simple. We won. Our fathers and grandfathers won. And I, as a representative of the old military dynasty, have something to be proud of.

              And you, rogul, have nothing to be proud of. You didn’t have a Great Victory ... You jumped it on the Maidan in 2014 ...
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                1. svp67
                  svp67 6 May 2020 05: 28 New
                  0
                  Quote: 76rtbr
                  and now the question is, who are we all in Russia by nationality ???

                  You are those with whom the seed feels and feels. Russian man, not so much the one who is a Slavic man of the hundredth tribe, but the one with a Russian soul.
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    3. awdrgy
      awdrgy 2 May 2020 20: 33 New
      +2
      Yes, this is not a cripple; at best, the enemy is the worst, a traitor (and I think this is a more correct answer)
    4. Terenin
      Terenin 2 May 2020 21: 22 New
      +3
      Ambassador of Ukraine to Germany Andriy Melnyk: Even in the worst nightmare, I can’t imagine that I lay wreaths on the side of representatives of a country that has cynically waged a bloody war in eastern Ukraine for more than six years.
      Rushing like a bulldozer (read: behaving rudely, tactlessly ...).
      Tired of a tolerant and inactive attitude of our authorities to such Svidomo.
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    5. Terenin
      Terenin 2 May 2020 21: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: marchcat
      No mind, consider a cripple !!! fool

      Then we won’t do harm by seriously “talking” to him winked
    6. iouris
      iouris 3 May 2020 11: 03 New
      +1
      I agree. To consider the Ukrainian ambassador in Berlin as a colleague is insanity.
  2. Avior
    Avior 2 May 2020 17: 43 New
    -5
    Russia traditionally celebrates Victory Day on May 9, and Ukraine on May 8, as is customary in the USA and Europe. .

    I don’t know who composed this fiction, but it became widespread.
    Victory Day in Ukraine - as it was and remained - May 9, is a public holiday, a day off
    1. Moon
      Moon 2 May 2020 17: 54 New
      -27
      Quote: Avior
      I don’t know who composed this fiction,

      ROSSMI and not even compose. And people believe.
      In general, the availability of the Internet is easily checked. But who needs it. The main thing that they wrote about Ukraine, and invested. And there is already ready information.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 2 May 2020 18: 20 New
        20
        why write something? at your suggestion, I searched on Ukrainian calendars and did not find a day of victory over the Nazi invaders. but I find days of reconciliation or the day of victory over Nazism in World War II. Do you really think that this is the same on May 9?
        1. Avior
          Avior 2 May 2020 18: 40 New
          -12
          searched on Ukrainian calendars and did not find; searched on Ukrainian calendars and did not find the day of victory over the Nazi invaders.

          You will not find the “day of victory over the Nazi invaders” in and on the list of Russian holidays, if you so want to cling to official language.
          This is really the same on May 9 - Victory Day, and what is written in the article, supposedly it is celebrated on May 8, is a primitive invention
          Russia traditionally celebrates Victory Day on May 9, and Ukraine on May 8, as is customary in the USA and Europe.

          Victory Day, by the way, is capitalized.
          The whole difference is that in Russia it is called Victory Day without an official clarification, over whom in the name it is added unofficially, and in Ukraine the clarification was introduced in the name - Victory over someone over Nazism, that’s the whole difference.
          They feel the same veterans as in Russia and celebrate the same Victory on the same day.
          Yes, this is one and the same holiday - Victory Day on May 9th.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 2 May 2020 19: 05 New
            +9
            Do you seriously think that this is the same thing? very sorry. my country is celebrating victory in World War II and not just over Nazism. this is an excuse for different holidays. Ukraine will not celebrate Victory Day on May 9, the country's foreign minister, Vadim Pristayko, said in an interview with Ukraine 24 TV channel.

            “We, like the entire European continent, in 75 years are ready to understand why this tragedy occurred, and we are ready to forgive each other,” Priestayko explained this decision. According to him, it is in this direction that celebration should develop.

            forward and with the song.
            1. Avior
              Avior 2 May 2020 19: 53 New
              -9
              Would you read the article heading or something
              From it it is clear that the same is a holiday or different
          2. Barmaleyka
            Barmaleyka 2 May 2020 19: 43 New
            12
            Quote: Avior
            They feel the same veterans as in Russia and celebrate the same Victory on the same day.

            Are you talking about these veterans? !!!
            1. Avior
              Avior 2 May 2020 19: 56 New
              -6
              And you do not know which veterans are being honored on May 9?
              1. Barmaleyka
                Barmaleyka 2 May 2020 19: 59 New
                +4
                Petro Poroshenko equated the participants of Ukrainian nationalist organizations with veterans of the Great Patriotic War and recognized them as fighters for the country's independence. Corresponding amendments to the law "On the status of war veterans, guarantees of their social protection" are published on the website of the Verkhovna Rada.

                The march of winning veterans through the streets of Kharkov will take place without banners and St. George ribbons, but under the scrutiny of the militants of neo-Nazi punitive battalions withdrawn from the front line.

                Such is the decision of the Kharkiv Regional Council, whose deputies "for security reasons" literally minute-by-minute painted the design and conduct of the holiday. So Kharkov veterans were officially warned about the ban on the use of: St. George ribbons and Soviet symbols. "

                “I appeal to all organizations with a recommendation, a request - as you like, do not use such symbols on May 9th. The State flag of Ukraine remains at your disposal, ”said Igor Rainin, Chairman of the Kharkiv Regional State Administration.
          3. Stalllker
            Stalllker 3 May 2020 05: 00 New
            0
            "Victory Day: over the fascist invaders" is the wording of the holiday. But no one defeated Nazism, it still exists everywhere, including in Russia, they just “strangled” it with us, the multinational country, so that there would be no friction. So I don’t understand what Ukrainians are celebrating, their Nazis still go with torches. But at the same time they yell that they won.
            1. Grits
              Grits 3 May 2020 06: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: Stalllker
              But at the same time they yell that they won.

              Then it is not clear who they defeated? On the one hand, they say that they fought against Nazism and immediately march along with Bandera, the same as the Nazis themselves. And what victory over Nazism can be talked about on May 8/9, if only a few days have passed since May 2? Or for them on May 2 in Odessa, too, the fight against Nazism?
              1. Stalllker
                Stalllker 3 May 2020 07: 10 New
                0
                I'm talking about it and I’m not clear
      2. gurzuf
        gurzuf 2 May 2020 19: 53 New
        +5
        Why don't you expose ROSSMI, and give your own assessment of the actions of the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, at least in his statement about Russia "which has been cynically waging a bloody war in eastern Ukraine for more than six years." I hope that you are not in a trench on the Russian - Ukrainian front.
        1. Stalllker
          Stalllker 3 May 2020 05: 01 New
          +1
          Kotu in half, what mice think of him
        2. Grits
          Grits 3 May 2020 06: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: gurzuf
          I hope that you are not in a trench on the Russian - Ukrainian front.

          Moreover, this front should be along the entire border - from Perekop to Belarus. I wonder in which section he dug in?
          1. gurzuf
            gurzuf 3 May 2020 10: 36 New
            +1
            I suspect it is eating up at the warehouse.
      3. Andrey Vasilievich
        Andrey Vasilievich 3 May 2020 00: 59 New
        -9
        Quote: Σελήνη
        Quote: Avior
        I don’t know who composed this fiction,

        ROSSMI and not even compose. And people believe.
        In general, the availability of the Internet is easily checked. But who needs it. The main thing that they wrote about Ukraine, and invested. And there is already ready information.

        And judging by the minuses, many even spit in the eyes - all God's dew. It’s convenient for them to believe in what propagandists, like Solovyov’s, invented, they believe. Though you bring evidence, even if the number on the head is comical, they still stand their ground.
      4. Grits
        Grits 3 May 2020 06: 44 New
        +6
        Quote: Σελήνη
        ROSSMI and not even compose. And people believe.

        You still tell us how valiant Ukrainian troops for 6 years on a narrow front of tens of kilometers steadily hold countless hordes of the Russian army. And then in terms of the presence of brain gyrus, you will finally come close to the above-mentioned ambassador of Ukraine.
        1. Buxlov
          Buxlov 3 May 2020 06: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: Gritsa
          You still tell us how valiant Ukrainian troops for 6 years on a narrow front of tens of kilometers steadily hold countless hordes of the Russian army. And then in terms of the presence of brain gyrus, you will finally come close to the above-mentioned ambassador of Ukraine.

          And to them, at least ssy in the eyes of all of God’s Russia .. The worst thing is that Ukraine suffered huge losses among the local population from the Nazis .. I don’t understand what happened there. And how can I turn off my memory ..
          1. Stalllker
            Stalllker 3 May 2020 07: 12 New
            -3
            Ukraine suffered huge losses among the local population from the Nazis .. ... not from the Nazis, but from idiots
            1. Buxlov
              Buxlov 3 May 2020 07: 27 New
              0
              Quote: Stalllker
              Ukraine suffered huge losses among the local population from the Nazis .. ... not from the Nazis, but from idiots

              Well, I would not call the Nazis idiots .. Very methodically they robbed Ukraine (they even exported chernozem compounds) and slaves were exported to Germany, and the rest were destroyed ..
              How familiar is all, isn't it?
              1. Stalllker
                Stalllker 3 May 2020 08: 13 New
                -1
                I'm not talking about those "Nazis" or "fascists", but the current
                1. Buxlov
                  Buxlov 3 May 2020 09: 56 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Stalllker
                  I'm not talking about those "Nazis" or "fascists", but the current

                  Current, it’s not the Nazis and so hangers and bedding ..
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 2 May 2020 18: 02 New
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      Quote: Avior
      I don’t know who composed this fiction,

      and the monuments were not demolished, and the Guards-St. George ribbons were not forbidden, and in general, they are smooth, greased with bacon.
      1. Shteffan
        Shteffan 2 May 2020 18: 15 New
        -12
        Do not grind fool. Cutlets and flies you folding vkuchu? In Ukraine May 9 is an official holiday with a weekend.
        1. begemot20091
          begemot20091 2 May 2020 18: 52 New
          +3
          Day of the horses they celebrate.
        2. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 2 May 2020 19: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: Steffan
          in Ukraine

          and "In" Ukraine is where? !!
          1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 May 2020 20: 15 New
            +2
            The free country is Ukraine, and Ukraine, enslaved by the Maidan races.
        3. Looking for
          Looking for 3 May 2020 16: 07 New
          0
          YOUR WILL WILL HAVE BEEN CANCELED LONG TIME. YES CAN'T.
    3. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 May 2020 18: 09 New
      +2
      Sorry for Ukraine. For a long time it will be tormented by the maydanut race. I hope that someday the Ukrainians will have the will to finally free themselves from the curly-headed horse.
      1. Shteffan
        Shteffan 2 May 2020 18: 18 New
        +4
        So they showed their will - 75% went and voted against the policy of Gunpowder. And what's the point?
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 May 2020 18: 28 New
          +3
          On the first attempt it didn’t work out, so on the second or on the third it will turn out.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 2 May 2020 19: 32 New
            10
            Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
            On the first attempt it didn’t work out, so on the second or on the third it will turn out.

            So for three attempts they have already reached the limit - Kuchma Get-was, Yushchenko Get-was, Yanukovich-Get was. Petya came instead of the pastor, Zelya come. Petya left. Now, in fact - Zelya ugh made a mistake on you. Probably there will be further - Each hetman to himself.
            1. gurzuf
              gurzuf 2 May 2020 19: 58 New
              +2
              laughing There is still an old fighter, pah - fighter, wink
            2. Shteffan
              Shteffan 3 May 2020 13: 20 New
              0
              Let us not confuse the will of ALL the people and the jumping along the Maidan of a narrow stratum of society (Kuchma-get Yanukovych-get).
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 3 May 2020 14: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: Steffan
                Let's not be confused the will of ALL the people and jumping on the Maidan of a narrow stratum of society (Kuchma-get Yanukovych-get).
                Let's. By the way, in relation to Petit and Zee, I didn’t use the word Get, they put their loins on the presidential thrones thanks to the sole expression of the will of ALL the people. Only now the people from the expression of will didn’t get any easier, and so the difference between the expression of will and Get is not big, or is absent hi
          2. user1212
            user1212 2 May 2020 19: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
            On the first attempt it didn’t work out, so on the second or on the third it will turn out.

            So this is far from the first. First they were against the USSR, then against Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, etc. Maybe they should at least once, for a change, vote for something / anyone?
            1. Shteffan
              Shteffan 3 May 2020 13: 23 New
              -1
              Not true. For the preservation of the USSR, the majority voted.
              1. user1212
                user1212 3 May 2020 15: 40 New
                0
                Yeah, that's only December 1, 91, in support of the declaration of independence, 90,32% of the referendum participants voted with the appearance of 84,18%
        2. Grits
          Grits 3 May 2020 07: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Steffan
          So they showed their will - 75% went and voted against the policy of Gunpowder. And what's the point?

          How to show the will of the people showed Crimea and the Donbass. The rest stsykanuli and thought that by voting everything will resolve.
      2. bukhach
        bukhach 2 May 2020 19: 41 New
        0
        Are you a naive person, pan-and-legheads cannot be free of themselves, nothing will change in Ukraine, and why do you feel sorry for them?
    4. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 May 2020 18: 12 New
      +6
      Holidays May 8 - 9 - Memorial and Reconciliation Days dedicated to the memory of the victims of the Second World War, as I understand it, did it happen?) May 9 - Day of Victory over Nazism in World War II and Europe Day (Europe Day in the European Union) are celebrated. cool))) but I hope you understand the difference between the day of victory in World War II and the day of victory over Nazism in World War II together with European Day on the same day?))) a. I forgot about the poppies. it's generally something with something ...
      1. Shteffan
        Shteffan 2 May 2020 18: 39 New
        -5
        No, they didn’t rename them on May 9, and they didn’t cancel them. They just introduced the reconciliation day on May 8th.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 May 2020 19: 05 New
          +3
          he was renamed. quite officially.
        2. begemot20091
          begemot20091 2 May 2020 19: 10 New
          16
          This is who reconciled with whom? All geyropa fought on the side of Hitler. It’s that they reconciled the French SS men from the SS Charlemagne division, defending the Reichstag with the soldiers from the Belgian SS divisions Langemark and Wallonia, defending Berlin together with the SS grenadier division Nordland, which was mainly composed of volunteers from Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway . Or from Latvians from the 54th fascist fighter squadron. The battalion of the 15th SS division under the command of senior lieutenant Neilands continued to defend the ashes of the dead Fuhrer: the Latvian legionaries defended the Reich Chancellery. More than half a century later, the former legionary Aivar Petersons, who published a book with the expressive title “We Must Return. Letts are the Last Defenders of Berlin,” will tell about this episode of war with great reverence. Or maybe with the Ukrainian "brothers" - Bandera created Ukrainian units as part of the Volkssturm, and he hid in Weimar. In addition, several Ukrainian air defense groups (2,5 thousand people) operated in the Berlin area. Half of the III company of the 87th SS Grenadier Regiment of the Kurmark SS were Ukrainians, reservists of the XIV Grenadier Division of the SS Galicia.?
          The Soviet people and the Soviet government did not disagree with the deed even in the most tense periods of the country's history. Recall that JV Stalin told British Foreign Minister Eden on December 15, 1941: “Nothing, the Russians have already been to Berlin twice, and they will be the third time.” On May 9, 1945, defeated Berlin lay at the feet of Soviet soldiers.
          In May 1945, a fiercely defended impregnable fortress - the city of Berlin was taken by our Soviet soldier. “The word“ soldier ”is collective: it is an ordinary, a sergeant, and a foreman, and an officer, and a general, and a marshal - all soldiers of the front and partisans. The moral strength of the Soviet soldier, manifested in the war, is unusual. She embodied in his valor, courage and heroism. Our soldier boldly went on the attack on the enemy, did not hesitate to engage in mortal combat, paving the way for victory, for the sake of life on earth. He was brave in battle, stern and generous ...
          The glory of the Soviet soldier, his feat in the battles for his homeland - are immortal!
          Once again, I bow my head to all the soldiers who did not return from the war, ”Marshal of the Soviet Union I. S. Konev said very correctly about our soldier
          1. Shteffan
            Shteffan 3 May 2020 00: 32 New
            -8
            I remembered everyone and Latvians and Ukrainians ----- I forgot to mention the traitors and collaborators, ethnic Russians from the ROA and the Cossacks-traitors from the Kuban. And what is it?
            1. Grits
              Grits 3 May 2020 07: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: Steffan
              I forgot to mention traitors and collaborators, ethnic Russians from the ROA and Cossacks-traitors from the Kuban. And what is it?

              Cossacks from the Kuban also defended Berlin? Or did they plow in factories in three shifts to rivet tanks for the Wehrmacht?
        3. Proud.
          Proud. 2 May 2020 20: 46 New
          -1
          Are you raving? Once again, read your comment.
        4. Grits
          Grits 3 May 2020 07: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Steffan
          No, they didn’t rename them on May 9, and they didn’t cancel them. They just introduced the reconciliation day on May 8th.

          That is, they first celebrate the day of reconciliation, and the next day - the day of victory over those with whom they reconciled yesterday. On the 8th they drink vodka together, and on the 9th they themselves.
        5. Looking for
          Looking for 3 May 2020 16: 12 New
          -1
          May 8 introduced as a contrast to the Victory Day.
      2. Avior
        Avior 2 May 2020 18: 44 New
        -3
        No need to compose
        There are no "May 8-9 holidays"
        May 8 is one holiday, a working day, and May 9 is another, Victory Day, a day off
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 May 2020 19: 15 New
          +1
          Ukraine will not celebrate Victory Day on May 9, the country's foreign minister, Vadim Pristayko, said in an interview with Ukraine 24 TV channel.

          “We, like the entire European continent, in 75 years are ready to understand why this tragedy occurred, and we are ready to forgive each other,” Priestayko explained this decision. According to him, it is in this direction that celebration should develop.
          I somehow do not want to argue with officials of the state of Ukraine. everything is quite literal and verbatim.
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            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 2 May 2020 19: 23 New
              0
              This statement is official. and he says not his opinion but the state. its' his job. and then I don’t want to argue anymore. doesn't make sense. Victory in the Second World War and victory over ideology is not exactly the same, but apparently I can not convince you.
              1. Avior
                Avior 2 May 2020 20: 00 New
                -4
                The official opinion is spelled out in laws
                May 9 - Victory Day.
                And as for the rest, read the article title
                hi
                1. Looking for
                  Looking for 3 May 2020 16: 14 New
                  -2
                  I beg you, in the laws. In Ukraine, the law is that it’s drawback. Where did it turn? There it turned out.
          2. Avior
            Avior 2 May 2020 19: 25 New
            -6
            Today one prefix, tomorrow another
            And the Victory Day holiday on May 9, as it was in Ukraine, remains
    5. Igoresha
      Igoresha 2 May 2020 19: 02 New
      +5
      as it was and remained May 9
      he didn’t remain anything -
      Tsya pam'yatna date 9 grass bull established by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine less than 9 april 2015 in accordance with the law "On Strengthening the Strength of Nazism with Other Svitoviy Viniy 1939-1945 rock" in the framework of the vote for the package of laws on the decome. they entered their own if it weren’t just like in Russia, Victory flags and other attributes are forbidden, in Kharkov deputies hang congratulations on boards on leaflets with lilacs and a painted green tank without an asterisk, and Maidan-Fascists certainly honor May 9 as before)) )

      and May 9 is another, Victory Day, a day off
      again you composed - there is no Victory Day holiday in Ukraine, replaced by another
      wiki: In Ukraine, ofitsіyno does not appear since 2016. Sacrifice of the New Bulo beyond the power of the Holy Day Strength over Nazism in Other svіtovіy vіynі.[i] [/ i]
      1. Looking for
        Looking for 3 May 2020 16: 21 New
        0
        ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. But for Bandera propagandists. A la AVIOR the truth is unprofitable.
    6. taiga2018
      taiga2018 2 May 2020 20: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      I don’t know who composed this fiction,

      We assume that this is a fiction, but how, together with the celebration of Victory Day in Ukraine, does the official celebration of the Nazi henchmen Bandera and Shukhevych fit in? Maybe in Ukraine and the veterans of the SS division! "Galicia" is not considered heroes at the state level?
      1. Avior
        Avior 2 May 2020 20: 50 New
        -5
        . Maybe in Ukraine and veterans of the SS division! "Galicia" is not considered heroes at the state level?

        I have never heard of this.
        You can give the link to some official source, and not to the one where it says that in Ukraine on May 9 they canceled.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 3 May 2020 09: 53 New
          -2
          Here you are, stubborn then. A ..... if it’s your national holiday there. Why the veteran on the street at any moment can frustrate the Bandera bastard? Hit? And so on ... holiday ...
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 3 May 2020 16: 32 New
          0
          Poroshenko signed a law recognizing veterans of the OUN and UPA as combatants. December 6
          The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted the relevant bill No. 8519.
          The new law includes in the list of participants in hostilities all who participated in all forms of armed struggle for the independence of Ukraine in the XNUMXth century as part of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) *, Ukrainian rebel army ataman Taras Borovets (Bulba) * "Polesskaya Sich", Ukrainian People’s Revolutionary Army (UNRA) *, People’s Defense Organization "Carpathian Sich" *, Ukrainian Military Organization (UVO) *, armed units of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists *.

          According to the law "On the Legal Status and Honoring the Memory of Fighters for the Independence of Ukraine in the XNUMXth Century", veterans of divisions and formations who collaborated with the German occupiers during the Great Patriotic War are recognized as fighters for the independence of Ukraine in the XNUMXth century.

          There are 23 such “veterans” from the armed units of the OUN * and UPA * as of May 2018, 1201, the Ukrainian portal UNIAN writes. They are entitled to all the benefits accepted for veterans.
    7. Looking for
      Looking for 3 May 2020 15: 57 New
      0
      but do not cancel. because. until the Soviet Union is still alive.
    8. iouris
      iouris 3 May 2020 20: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      I don’t know who composed this fiction, but it became widespread.

      May 8 is the day of the liberation of Europe (apparently from itself), and May 9 is the Day of the victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War (victory over Nazi Germany (and united Nazi Europe), but, unfortunately, not final).
  3. Amateur
    Amateur 2 May 2020 17: 44 New
    14
    Miller collaborated with German intelligence (primarily with the Abwehr), because he saw the Germans as natural allies in the fight against a common enemy - the Poles. In August 1939 he received from Canaris very illusory guarantees that after the Germans “liberated” Western Ukraine, Melnik would be appointed the “conductor” (German Leiter, in fact - the leader, leader) of the Ukrainian people - this promise has never been fulfilled [2] . Since October 12, 1939 - the head of the Wire (Board) of the OUN. The closest ally of Melnik M. Sziborsky drafted the constitution of Ukraine, according to which Ukraine was supposed to form a “totalitarian, authoritarian, corporate state” with Melnik at the head.
    After the accession of Western Ukraine to the Ukrainian SSR, he was in the territories occupied by Germany, from there he led the underground work. Since 1941 he was in Berlin. After the German attack on the USSR, at the head of other leading Ukrainian nationalists [3], former officers of the UPR army, he turned to Hitler [4] [5]:

    Maybe the grandson of the old Natsik. How will he celebrate a victory over his beloved grandfather. soldier
  4. svp67
    svp67 2 May 2020 17: 44 New
    10
    Therefore, I urge the Bundestag and the Senate of Berlin to erect a monument to the Ukrainian victims of Nazism in a prominent place in the center of the capital, as well as create an appropriate information bureau - the Ukrainian ambassador demanded.
    And it would be nice to sign that this monument and those whom the Nazis burned on May 2, 2014 in the city of Odessa
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 2 May 2020 18: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Therefore, I urge the Bundestag and the Senate of Berlin to erect a monument to the Ukrainian victims of Nazism in a prominent place in the center of the capital, as well as create an appropriate information bureau - the Ukrainian ambassador demanded.
      And it would be nice to sign that this monument and those whom the Nazis burned on May 2, 2014 in the city of Odessa
      exactly (!) and make way for the torchlight procession, to the heirs who served in the Galicia divisions ... belay Free them Berlin. They fed us here ...
  5. NF68
    NF68 2 May 2020 17: 45 New
    +1
    He is now a European with European values. How can he celebrate when they were beaten too then.
  6. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 2 May 2020 17: 45 New
    +9
    You will not envy our diplomats. After all, they owe duty on a regular basis to communicate with similar creatures, and try to do it without a mat
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 2 May 2020 17: 57 New
      -4
      Yes, they are no better than those Bandera they are Vlasov
  7. Serwid
    Serwid 2 May 2020 17: 51 New
    14
    At the same time, Melnik said that in Germany, more attention should be paid to the Ukrainian victims of Nazism and called on the Berlin authorities to erect a monument to them.

    Can someone explain to me when there was a German-Ukrainian war?
    1. NF68
      NF68 3 May 2020 21: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Serwid
      At the same time, Melnik said that in Germany, more attention should be paid to the Ukrainian victims of Nazism and called on the Berlin authorities to erect a monument to them.

      Can someone explain to me when there was a German-Ukrainian war?


      In some sort of parallel universe, where mainly horses live, everything could be.
  8. Moon
    Moon 2 May 2020 17: 52 New
    -7
    Russia traditionally celebrates Victory Day on May 9, and Ukraine on May 8, as is customary in the USA and Europe.

    what nonsense?
    If only they looked and clarified .. they will carry a bunch of years some kind of nonsense about 8 and 9 .. And both holidays. Victory Day stayed May 9
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 2 May 2020 17: 57 New
      +4
      Yeah, the symbolism of the USSR is prohibited
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 May 2020 18: 22 New
      -5
      What is May 9, tell for the USSR and all who lived and were born in this country? what is this holiday and what is it called?
    3. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 3 May 2020 09: 54 New
      0
      Greek fig tree, it would be better to be silent
  9. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 2 May 2020 17: 55 New
    +5
    GDP was wrong and strong. We had to go to the Dnieper.
    1. Shteffan
      Shteffan 2 May 2020 18: 27 New
      +5
      To Lviv .......
      1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 2 May 2020 18: 39 New
        0
        Lviv is Polish. But it's up to us. Somehow later, after the restoration by the Poles (on a voluntary basis) of monuments to our soldiers ...
      2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 May 2020 18: 47 New
        +3
        It was necessary to provide military support to Yanukovych to stop the coup within the CSTO together with the countries included in the treaty. After the suppression of the rebels in Ukraine, the events on the Maidan are called an attempt to undermine the country's sovereignty, arranged by NATO countries.
  10. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 2 May 2020 18: 01 New
    0
    Bandera
  11. anjey
    anjey 2 May 2020 18: 02 New
    +1
    The Ambassador of Ukraine in Berlin refused to celebrate the victory over Nazism with the ambassadors of the Russian Federation and Belarus
    The fact is that Ukrainian Nazis lick the dupe to well-camouflaged and uninhabited Nazis, and to neo-Nazis of a new type, both in Europe and the USA.
    Paradoxically, modern Western Nazism is multinational. The USA and Europe distinguish themselves as a mythical elite caste striving for world domination, contrasting themselves with Russia, China, many countries of Asia and Latin America, all this is certainly not as obvious and zealous as it was in Nazi Germany, but there is a place to be in our World. I don’t even want to talk about Israel, they are brewed in the same geopolitical brew, and on whose side they all know, it’s not at all surprising that the Jews in power of the Nazi Krajina succeed each other but the policy does not change and the Nazis and Russophobia are always in price .....
  12. Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 May 2020 18: 04 New
    -1
    Selyuk bandera mixed. What else do you say?
  13. Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 2 May 2020 18: 05 New
    +1
    For him and his country, this is the day of the death of their idols. Nazism, he is in Ukraine, Nazism.
  14. Potomac
    Potomac 2 May 2020 18: 10 New
    -4
    May 9, as it was, remained Victory Day in Ukraine. Prohibition of characters ?! Delusional attempts at the state level, and then limited characters. I do not take into account the minor "activists" so let them destroy. It would be that. In Kiev, both stood and stand monuments to the soldiers-liberators, with red stars.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 May 2020 18: 24 New
      +4
      stayed. Victory Day over Nazism in World War II. and not Victory Day in World War II. This is an excuse for different holidays. and after some time everyone will be accustomed to the day of reconciliation on May 8 and May 9 will disappear even in this form.
      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 2 May 2020 19: 06 New
        -1
        on the day of reconciliation on May 8 and May 9 will disappear even in this form.
        I completely agree with you, for this I thought
      2. Avior
        Avior 2 May 2020 19: 32 New
        0
        May 9 is not officially called in Russia and was not called Victory Day in the Second World War.
        So what kind of official holiday is called, you can see
        hi
    2. Chingachguk
      Chingachguk 2 May 2020 18: 53 New
      0
      And how are things with those that burned people in Odessa? Video evidence is full! Many have already been convicted? If you say that everything remained as it was before the Maidan in Ukraine, then surely someone already answered in all severity for such brutal killings of people?
  15. Pacifist with AK
    Pacifist with AK 2 May 2020 18: 24 New
    +3
    What for? On April 20, the entire Banderaereich elite kicked in the smoke ....
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 2 May 2020 19: 57 New
      +3
      But the Ukrainians have not yet announced the Ukrainian roots of the Euro-integrator and the fighter against communism? He brought them freedom from the Muscovite yoke!
  16. AVA77
    AVA77 2 May 2020 18: 27 New
    -1
    And he, (Ukrainian ambassador) is ill in my opinion.
  17. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 2 May 2020 18: 32 New
    +6
    Mikhail Lomonosov: “A people who do not know their past have no future.”
  18. Chingachguk
    Chingachguk 2 May 2020 18: 48 New
    +2
    Moral cripple!
    However, today there are the majority of such people in Ukraine .... Some are from a lack of intelligence, others are from a zombie hunter, others are rowing for this loot with a shovel, most of them are indifferent, and, of course, frightened - my hut is from the edge .......
    Therefore, there is no clear understanding of what the people of Ukraine want, therefore the attitude towards the Ukrainian population is appropriate ... They are not satisfied with being beaten, thrust into the trash, and sometimes they just kill or burn ... The authorities look at it through their fingers ... Well, they jumped, shouted , ate cookies, get your help .... What else can you say ......
    1. Shteffan
      Shteffan 3 May 2020 14: 05 New
      +2
      Eeeto you have a mental flaw. The victim of Kiselev and Skabeeva. You from Ukraine? From which city?
      1. Chingachguk
        Chingachguk 3 May 2020 21: 38 New
        0
        Miracle, I do not pass pigs with you! So do you, and whisper the holy fool! What can you say against what I said? Everyone runs with torches, St. George ribbons are forbidden, on May 9 they buried! Bandera is your hero! Who sits behind the burned in Odessa?
        And this is just what I’ve just started ..... So slap your little lounger, dear, and go on, go ahead, pan-and-headed !!!! You don’t wash off for a long time now ..... If at all wash off ...... A cookie may you want again?
  19. Bumblebee_3
    Bumblebee_3 2 May 2020 18: 52 New
    +6
    But in general it’s good that there will be no representative from modern Ukraine. There is no need to dirty the memory of our grandfathers with the presence of this delegation.
  20. Avior
    Avior 2 May 2020 18: 56 New
    -3
    The author seems to have an inaccurate idea of ​​which event
    refused to celebrate the victory over Nazism

    to commemorate the victims of World War II

    lay a wreath in memory of the end of World War II

    The author mixed in a bunch of three different events
    Or was it unimportant for the article?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 May 2020 19: 08 New
      -1
      but the Europeans are different days or what?
      1. Avior
        Avior 2 May 2020 19: 15 New
        -1
        These are different events.
        But the author, it seems, doesn’t care.
        Not to mention that
        lay a wreath in memory of the end of World War II

        It is in September - all over the world on September 2 (in Russia-3), if you are not in the know
        Such is it, a memory in words, but in fact, neither the names of events, nor dates, everything mixed up

        hi
    2. Chingachguk
      Chingachguk 3 May 2020 21: 45 New
      0
      It is important that people with pots on their heads, representing Ukraine, all jump and glorify Bandera ......
  21. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 2 May 2020 18: 59 New
    +3
    - demanded the Ukrainian ambassador.
    he demanded straight, but stamped his leg ?!
  22. Nastya
    Nastya 2 May 2020 19: 34 New
    -1
    All the forces of evil in Ukraine, including the radicals, are supported by the conditionally collective west. All the forces of good in Ukraine are not supported by anyone. Including, first of all, Russia, which washed its hands in 2014 and has no influence on the processes inside Ukraine. And how can a person there confront the collective evil with the West alone? It’s impossible to raise their heads there. You can write as much as you like every year in the tapes “We will not forget you will not be forgotten” or express fantasies about the highest retribution .... You do not need to be deceived. There is no real strength to confront the car, avenge Odessa and will not be in the near future. Killers will go unpunished, will live on good pensions, scribbling memories. And Russian people in Ukraine are demoralized, weak, fragmented ... Russian civilization continues to fall apart, this process has not been stopped at all. A farce film “Odessa” is shown on Russian TV, but there is no and is not expected to understand the situation in the center of the former Russian civilization. We continue to decompose together with Ukraine.
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 2 May 2020 20: 05 New
      +2
      Maybe you are right, but the degree of decomposition between us and Ukraine is different, in any case, at the state level there is no heroization of Vlasov and others like him, as well as among the vast majority of people.
  23. alien
    alien 2 May 2020 19: 35 New
    +3

    Miller, the "ambassador."

    <...>
    They inspired you for many years,
    What is more beautiful than Europe, no.
    The message was clear and simple:
    Like, your homeland - "sucks."

    Fake European Genie
    You winked at the windows.
    And a voice on the radio wave
    So sweetly called: "Come to me!"

    The Antichrist lured you to hell
    But you succumbed to him, brother.
    And, at the edge of temptation,
    You have betrayed your homeland.
    <...>
    Europe is a diabolical fetish.
    You will not seduce me!
    My core to the end of years -
    My house and grandfather are victorious.

    Yes books that I liked to read,
    Yes the songs that my mother sang
    Yes, the whole world with the name Rus,
    Which I have been proud of since childhood.

    And you, my Ukrainian brother,
    I went to the parade with Bandera,
    His trident squeezed in handfuls,
    Like a zombie. God forgive me!

    Hard rock leads you
    Overseas upholstery threshold.
    And you knock on someone else's door.
    But there you do not need, believe me.

    You were handed overseas pan
    A ticket to a family of rich countries.
    But this - at least do not lie to yourself! -
    Only foil wrapper.

    Konstantin Frolov-Crimean
  24. Svetlana
    Svetlana 2 May 2020 19: 37 New
    -1
    Russia traditionally celebrates Victory Day on May 9, and Ukraine on May 8, as is customary in the USA and Europe.

    8 May note the end day of World War II, but not at all celebrate Victory Day
    1. alien
      alien 2 May 2020 20: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Svetlana
      May 8 mark the end day of World War II

      In Europe, yes - they celebrate, but do not celebrate:

      Victory

      In Europe one day, before dinner,
      One crook told me in my hearts:
      - What are you rushing about with your Victory?
      We all forgot about her for a long time!

      That's right, gentlemen. But - that’s pity! -
      So that you have the right to judge us,
      To do this, you need such a little:
      At least somewhere to defeat someone!

      Konstantin Frolov-Crimean
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 2 May 2020 22: 33 New
        0
        In Europe, yes - they celebrate, but do not celebrate:


        Well, so am I about the same
    2. Avior
      Avior 2 May 2020 20: 01 New
      -2
      Victory Day is officially officially celebrated in Ukraine on May 9
      1. alien
        alien 2 May 2020 20: 13 New
        0
        Give at least one statement by Yushchenko, Poroshenko or Zelensky that Ukraine celebrates Victory Day on May 9.
        1. Avior
          Avior 2 May 2020 20: 32 New
          -1
          And what else can be celebrated on the official holiday of Victory Day on May 9?
          Did you want to see this?
          https://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/39264-Obrashchenye-Prezydenta-Ukraynы-Vyktora-Iushchenko-na-torzhestvennom-mytynhe-po-sluchaiu-Dnia-Pobedы
          Congratulations on the 64th anniversary of the Great Victory.

          I’ll talk about what's in the shower.

          I think of my father.

          I think about our parents.

          I think of millions of our people — those who fell in battles, tortured in concentration camps, those who went through all fronts and combat underground, those who were in the rear, those who survived and gave life to us — about all who won.

          This is our common, united and indivisible, holy and great victory.

          We conquered it together with other peoples, to whom we turn fraternal words of greeting, respect and common sorrow .....


          May 9 in Ukraine celebrate Victory Day and always celebrated. Officially.
          And I don’t really like that it was so easy for people to pour in a frank invention about May 8 and supposedly canceled on May 9 in Ukraine
          hi
          1. alien
            alien 2 May 2020 21: 40 New
            0
            And ours and yours for three rubles we’ll dance:

            "Victor Yushchenko awarded the title Hero of Ukraine to Stepan Bandera"
            https://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/54736-Vyktor-Iushchenko-prysvoyl-zvanye-Heroi-Ukrayn%D1%8B-Stepanu-Bandere
            1. Avior
              Avior 2 May 2020 21: 59 New
              -1
              I know.
              And also to Berest, the third who raised the Banner of Victory Over the Reichstag along with Egorov and Kantaria, and the award-winning Shapiro, the Brigade Commander who liberated Auschwitz,
              Kuzma Derevyanko and others.

              But I generally wrote only that Victory Day May 9 is an official state holiday.
              1. alien
                alien 2 May 2020 22: 12 New
                0
                Quote: Avior
                Victory Day May 9 is an official state holiday.

                Here in Belarus and in Russia, yes, there is a sense of celebration even on the street (Belarus):

                But in Ukraine - one name is left, nothing is mentioned anywhere.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 2 May 2020 23: 54 New
                  -1
                  Do you call this stretch the feeling of a holiday?

                  By the way, in Belarus there is no quarantine, unlike the very strict quarantine in Ukraine,
                  Therefore, I think no one hangs stretch marks this year
          2. Looking for
            Looking for 3 May 2020 16: 49 New
            0
            no need to push here the rules of the Bandera "censor" turn upside down. speech and children about deployed in Ukraine. at the state level. a policy of deliberately ignoring the significance and meaning of the Victory Day. USSR over Nazi invaders in the Second World War and gradually replacing it, which is insignificant for Ukrainians, the day the Anglo-American troops essentially defeated Japan.
  25. regdan
    regdan 2 May 2020 19: 53 New
    -4
    So just wiped his feet. If there were real peasants in the Kremlin, and not accompanying them, the under-state of Ukraine would not exist long ago.
  26. Avior
    Avior 2 May 2020 20: 07 New
    -2
    By the way, I congratulate everyone - today is the day of the capture of the Reichstag
    But, it seems, behind the politics of this event, which for our soldiers became a symbol of Victory, no one remembered
    hi
  27. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 2 May 2020 20: 10 New
    0
    To the slave ambassador, this company is not the place.
  28. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 2 May 2020 20: 16 New
    -1
    Ukraine wassat 6 years screaming "at all angles" about the war with Russia smile , and on the GTS pumped "aggressive gas" from Gazprom bully and concluded a contract for pumping "aggressive gas" for 5 years in advance, they buy a coal, etc., etc. ...
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 2 May 2020 20: 32 New
      +1
      cat Rusich
      I think that you are not quite right about the pumping contract. Most likely there are 2 factors: the first US sanction for Nord Stream-1, as a result - the departure of the pipe-laying vessel. 2nd Gazprom “caved in” by signing this agreement plus paid a fine. Ukraine will not repay its debt, this is unequivocal.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 2 May 2020 22: 36 New
        -2
        I'm talking about the "position" of Ukraine wassat . UKRAINE wassat - shouts "at all angles" about the war with Russia, while Ukraine is pumping "aggressive gas" from Russia smile weight bully and concludes an agreement for 5 years on pumping "aggressive gas". As a fictional example: after 22.06.41 3 Reich sends its goods to Japan via TransSib ... Do you understand?
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 2 May 2020 22: 43 New
          -1
          cat Rusich
          I expressed my opinion that the conclusion of the contract is a “deflection” of Gazprom! Could not conclude.
  29. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 2 May 2020 20: 20 New
    -1
    As Suvorov used to say: "God is with us, and God is with them."
  30. Tycoon
    Tycoon 2 May 2020 20: 54 New
    -1
    and did the right thing ......
  31. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 2 May 2020 20: 55 New
    0
    Ukraine is firmly attached to the anti-Russian bloc ... besides, politicians will probably get their 30 pieces of silver for anti-Russian tricks ...
  32. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 2 May 2020 21: 41 New
    -3
    Ukraine (according to the official version) was an ally of Hitler, they have nothing to celebrate their defeat.
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 2 May 2020 22: 12 New
      +3
      Victor Sergeev (Victor Sergeev)
      In this statement, you are wrong. During the Second World War, the citizens of the Ukrainian SSR, most of them fought against the Gilerovites. Do not forget Kovpak, Kozhedub and many others. Even the grandfather of the current president of Ukraine died for our freedom. Another thing is that the grandson betrayed him and his memory. However, we have similar examples, though not at that level. The writer Gaidar and his grandson.
  33. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 2 May 2020 22: 31 New
    0
    any ambassador is, as it were, the concentration of the policy of his state on the territory of another ... What surprised you all? The answer of the ambassador of Ukraine? And why? The current policy of the Ukrainian government is not a secret ..... attitude towards the Russian Federation is also not a secret ..... Did someone expect something else? What, does someone really believe that across the policy of Kiev, the Ukrainian ambassador can act independently? I think there are no fools and everyone understands everything. So why then so many complaints and questions? How do you feel about the Volga River flowing? Well flowing and flowing I think. Treat also modern Ukraine ... Well, there is
  34. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 2 May 2020 23: 24 New
    0
    Mold, cockroaches, and other abominations do not like Sunlight and the light of Victory.
  35. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 2 May 2020 23: 28 New
    -1
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    any ambassador is, as it were, the concentration of the policy of his state on the territory of another ... What surprised you all? The answer of the ambassador of Ukraine? And why? The current policy of the Ukrainian government is not a secret ..... attitude towards the Russian Federation is also not a secret ..... Did someone expect something else? What, does someone really believe that across the policy of Kiev, the Ukrainian ambassador can act independently? I think there are no fools and everyone understands everything. So why then so many complaints and questions? How do you feel about the Volga River flowing? Well flowing and flowing I think. Treat also modern Ukraine ... Well, there is

    What nonsense. The work of God is equated with the machinations of Satan. The nature that the Lord gave us, with the Nazis occupying their own country.
    Are you out of your mind?
    1. Ovsigovets
      Ovsigovets 2 May 2020 23: 41 New
      +1
      You ascribe something to me .... it's probably in vain ..... I'm just a cynical realist .... I can imagine the difference between I want / I can / I will make it. Tired of Ukraine in topics from the word "completely." BUT what really will be done ???? Well, the ambassador of Ukraine said as he said and that ... no, not so ... AND WHAT ???? What will be the reaction? And if so, why? What purpose? Yes, they swim there all in a gamut. As soon as the head lifted - whack and cut down, and forget again. This is their country - even as they want and live inside
  36. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 2 May 2020 23: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    Victor Sergeev (Victor Sergeev)
    In this statement, you are wrong. During the Second World War, the citizens of the Ukrainian SSR, most of them fought against the Gilerovites. Do not forget Kovpak, Kozhedub and many others. Even the grandfather of the current president of Ukraine died for our freedom. Another thing is that the grandson betrayed him and his memory. However, we have similar examples, though not at that level. The writer Gaidar and his grandson.

    But Gaidars - are they fascists? Both? Did they burn their fellow citizens in the flame of the House of Trade Unions? Arkady fought in Civil. For the reds. Like perhaps your grandfather. Why do not you rank him among these villains? But Arkady died in the war with the Nazis, defending his homeland.
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 3 May 2020 10: 24 New
      0
      vkd.dvk (Russian to the bone)
      You apparently did not understand my post. I expressed the opinion that the grandson betrayed his grandfather. A. Gaidar is the hero of the revolution, and his grandson is the direct opposite (Judah).
  37. Avior
    Avior 2 May 2020 23: 51 New
    +1
    Just read about hoisting the Banner of Victory over the Raistag.


    this was done on the night of April 30 to May 1, 1945 by scouts Alexei Shelest, Mikhail Egorov and Meliton Kantaria.

    As you know, the senior group was Alexey Berest
    The question arises - his name was distorted intentionally or simply by negligence and ignorance.
    They went around in awards and wiped the name, although another episode is known, trying to get the SS men to surrender, in the evening he dressed as a colonel and went to persuade the SS men who settled in the Reichstag to surrender. Early in the morning they really surrendered, one of our soldiers remained alive one step before the Victory.
    His chances of survival were close to zero; the SS men had nothing to lose.
    Nevertheless, neither this episode, nor participation in the hoisting of the Banner has been erased in every way for decades.
    And now, as I see, this is either continuing, or intentionally distorted.
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 3 May 2020 16: 54 New
      0
      and this is by chance. not the BEREST. which you made. fought not for the USSR. but for Ukraine?
  38. Financier
    Financier 3 May 2020 01: 31 New
    12
    In their quest for "Europeanism," the authorities in Kiev outdid Europe itself. yes
  39. Hermit
    Hermit 3 May 2020 01: 46 New
    12
    The Ambassador of Ukraine in Berlin refused to celebrate the victory over Nazism with the ambassadors of the Russian Federation and Belarus

    And without this Bandera, we will celebrate OUR Victory of OUR fraternal peoples!
  40. Normal ok
    Normal ok 3 May 2020 04: 06 New
    -4
    To date, over 14 thousand Ukrainians have been killed during the still ongoing Russian aggression.

    What is true is true.
  41. Stalllker
    Stalllker 3 May 2020 05: 07 New
    0
    Yes, and a dog with him !!!
  42. sleeve
    sleeve 3 May 2020 05: 16 New
    0
    Why do not we break off relations with Ukraine?
  43. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 May 2020 08: 12 New
    0
    Correctly this donkey did everything that banderlogs will celebrate? Well, think for yourself, this fascist lackey should celebrate defeat, well, no logic.
  44. begemot20091
    begemot20091 3 May 2020 09: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Steffan
    I remembered everyone and Latvians and Ukrainians ----- I forgot to mention the traitors and collaborators, ethnic Russians from the ROA and the Cossacks-traitors from the Kuban. And what is it?

    Yes, I forgot about these.
    Guided by Article Art. 319-320 Code of Criminal Procedure of the RSFSR, Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR

    SENTENCED:
    to deprive of military ranks

    VLASOVA - lieutenant general
    MALYSHKINA - Major General,
    ZHILENKOVA - Brigadier Commissioner,
    TRUKHIN - major general,
    BLAGOVESCHENSKY - Major General of the Coast Guard,
    ZAKUTNOE - Colonel,
    MALTSEV - Colonel,
    BUNYACHENKO - Colonel,
    BEAST - Colonel,
    MEANDROVA - Colonel,
    KORBUKOVA - lieutenant colonel,
    SHATOVA - lieutenant colonel
    - and on the totality of the crimes committed, on the basis of Art. The 1st Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR from April 19, 1943:

    Vlasov Andrey Andreyevich,
    MALYSHKINA Vasily Fedorovich,
    ZHILENKOV Georgy Nikolaevich,
    TRUKHIN Fedor Ivanovich,
    BLAGOVESCHENSKY Ivan Alekseevich,
    Zakutnogo Dmitry Efimovich,
    MALTSEV Victor Ivanovich,
    BUNYACHENKO Sergei Kuzmich,
    ZVEREV Grigory Alexandrovich,
    MEANDROV Mikhail Alekseevich,
    KORBUKOV Vladimir Denisovich,
    SHATOV Nikolay Stepanovich
    - ALL EXPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY THROUGH A HANGING.

    The property of all convicts, personally owned by them, confiscated.

    The verdict is final and not subject to appeal.

    Genuine for proper signatures.

    RIGHT:

    SECRETARY OF THE MILITARY COLLEAGUE OF THE TOP COURT OF THE USSR

    Major Justice (Masuria)

    Date of creation: 1946. Source: Central Archive of the FSB of the Russian Federation. Investigation case N-18766 in respect of Vlasov A.A. et al. T. 10, ld 108-118.
  45. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 3 May 2020 10: 21 New
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    Quote: Ovsigovets
    You ascribe something to me .... it's probably in vain ..... I'm just a cynical realist .... I can imagine the difference between I want / I can / I will make it. Tired of Ukraine in topics from the word "completely." BUT what really will be done ???? Well, the ambassador of Ukraine said as he said and that ... no, not so ... AND WHAT ???? What will be the reaction? And if so, why? What purpose? Yes, they swim there all in a gamut. As soon as the head lifted - whack and cut down, and forget again. This is their country - even as they want and live inside

    You are not a cynical realist. You ...... justifying the policy of the Nazi suburbs.
    You suggest taking into account and not noticing.
    It has long been said, "When they came for the Jews, I was silent.
    When they came for the Communists, I was silent.
    When they came ....... (and so on), I was silent when they came for me, there was no one to speak in my defense. "This is not cynicism. This is primitive idiocy. The position of an ostrich. The position of a real crest. Typical position" My a hut from the edge, I don’t know anything. "By the way, a HUT is in Ukraine. In Russia it is a HOUSE. Therefore, this expression is from there. Get it. In full.
  46. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 3 May 2020 10: 31 New
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    Quote: Svetlana
    Russia traditionally celebrates Victory Day on May 9, and Ukraine on May 8, as is customary in the USA and Europe.

    8 May note the end day of World War II, but not at all celebrate Victory Day

    You can celebrate the day of sorrow in connection with the fact that you were released. Marshal Zhukov said then that you all will not forgive us for the fact that we have set you free. How right he was.
  47. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 3 May 2020 10: 34 New
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    Quote: Σελήνη
    Quote: Avior
    I don’t know who composed this fiction,

    ROSSMI and not even compose. And people believe.
    In general, the availability of the Internet is easily checked. But who needs it. The main thing that they wrote about Ukraine, and invested. And there is already ready information.

    Easy check and evidence here. Otherwise, you .......
  48. orionvitt
    orionvitt 3 May 2020 14: 07 New
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    in Germany, more attention should be paid to the Ukrainian victims of Nazism and called on the Berlin authorities to erect a monument to them.
    The entire Soviet people suffered. And the “Ukrainian victims” of Nazism are those who, in concentration camps, fell drunk from the towers.
  49. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 3 May 2020 19: 39 New
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    Until the Ukrainian authorities cease to cling to the "aggressor" transit pipe, everyone will see how ridiculous and stupid their pathetic attempts portraying demarches against the Russian state are!
  50. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 3 May 2020 20: 08 New
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    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    vkd.dvk (Russian to the bone)
    You apparently did not understand my post. I expressed the opinion that the grandson betrayed his grandfather. A. Gaidar is the hero of the revolution, and his grandson is the direct opposite (Judah).

    Yes, I would separate them. It would be understandable.