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A ship without a combat mission: with the appointment of the stealth destroyer Zumwalt in the US Navy did not decide

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As you know, American equipment plans fleet 32 stealthy Zumwalt class warships failed. As a result, instead of 32 rocket stealth destroyers, the U.S. Navy should acquire only three. There are many reasons.


The main reason is described as the incredible cost of creating such ships. One destroyer of this class costs the US Navy nearly $ 8 billion. And it is 4-5 times more expensive than the cost of the "classic" class destroyers "Arly Burke".

But the point here is not only the cost of Zamvoltov. The US Navy began to think about their potential combat use. If, according to the initial plans, this was supposed to be a ship delivering a crushing rocket attack on almost any enemy targets, including coastal zone targets, then these plans had to be adjusted. From the "Zamvolt" they began to "sculpt" the combat support ship of the landing force and the marines. And then the fathers of the US Navy themselves began to scratch their heads actively, reflecting on whether the game was worth the candle. $ 8 billion support ship? Strong even for the USA with their working printing press.

Indeed, a more than strange situation is to design an incredibly expensive missile destroyer, endow it with stealth technology, and for what? In order to go in a group with an ordinary landing ship, the very presence of which in the group automatically makes the stealth technology implemented on another ship useless. Simply put, a landing ship will only help the enemy detect the Zamvolt for many nautical miles, and also focus on the use of one or another weapon. And in such a situation, it’s not at all necessary to use something incredible in its power - like the “Poseidon”, to put this shock assault landing group of American ships to the bottom.



But if the ship, due to the cheapening of the design, was removed from the agenda, like the strike rocket that American customers saw from the beginning, and if Zamvolt is simply useless as a landing support ship, then what is its main function in the US Navy?

After the recent (April 25, 2020) arming of the main destroyer Zumwalt (and it took place after several years of testing with the identification of flaws, including those related to power units), materials began to appear in the US press from which it can be understood that with the appointment of “Zamwalt” "By and large did not decide. While the warship looks for the US Navy as a beautiful picture with vague prospects for military use, a hypersonic missile received by Russia also poses its barrier weapon. A ship with high ambitions, but so far without a combat mission.
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  1. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 2 May 2020 15: 47 New
    +6
    Spielberg will make a movie starring Zamvolt, and all the bad guys will shake with fear.
  2. faterdom
    faterdom 2 May 2020 15: 50 New
    +4
    Give it back to Hollywood. Thra times "saved the world" - and the ship paid for itself.
  3. Avior
    Avior 2 May 2020 15: 52 New
    -3
    Zamvolt's appointment as a specialized missile defense destroyer is so obvious that it is only a matter of time before it is done.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 2 May 2020 16: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Zamvolt's appointment as a specialized missile defense destroyer is so obvious that it is only a matter of time before it is done.


      The question is where to attach 3 products of a not very successful and expensive project.
      With the destination, everything is clearly planned for the construction of 32 pieces, 29 of them canceled.

      Of course, there are pluses there, except for drinking money that can be used in other projects, but these studies could be done for other money and more purposefully.

      By virtue of the main caliber in the form of email. magnetic guns there is a huge energy deficit in total energy consumption by consumers at maximum and the possibility of a power plant. Therefore, a unified management system for everything has been made, i.e. depending on the specific combat situation, the distribution of priorities where to direct power, for example, to the chassis, radar or main caliber charging, but due to the fact that the latter is not functional, practically this was not worked out.
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 2 May 2020 16: 33 New
        0
        The same thing would have awaited us if we had decided to build the atomic destroyer Leader. We correctly did that we abandoned such an idea and focused on the 22350M.
        The main reason is described as the incredible cost of creating such ships. One destroyer of this class costs the US Navy nearly $ 8 billion. And it is 4-5 times more expensive than the cost of the "classic" class destroyers "Arly Burke".
        1. SVD68
          SVD68 2 May 2020 16: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          The same would have awaited us if we had decided to build the atomic destroyer Leader.

          Not at all. The creators of Zamvolt missed a lot with the main caliber. And it is precisely because of this slip that they cannot come up with a suitable application.
          The Leader with the main caliber would be all right: Onyx, Caliber, in the future Zircon.
          1. Avior
            Avior 2 May 2020 17: 03 New
            -1
            At Zamvolt, the main caliber is MK57 cells
            Only for them not a single specialized rocket was made
    2. SVD68
      SVD68 2 May 2020 16: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      Zamvolt's appointment as a specialized missile defense destroyer is so obvious that it is only a matter of time before it is done.

      Why is the destroyer PRO stealth hull and such a complex power plant?
      1. Avior
        Avior 2 May 2020 16: 54 New
        -1
        PRO theater of war, stele, in principle, come in handy
        It will be even more useful if, at the second stage, they put on it the guided low-cost missiles and give them a second specialization - long-range landing support
        But why the excess electricity is a question
        Unless lasers will finish the smasers
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 2 May 2020 17: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          But why the excess electricity is a question
          Unless lasers will finish the smasers

          Originally designed for a railgun. As a result, an unknown ship for 8 billion green money.
        2. shahor
          shahor 3 May 2020 00: 08 New
          -2
          Quote: Avior
          But why the excess electricity is a question

          Do not forget that for the first time Zumwalt delivered the most powerful version of the new generation radar (gallium nitride) SPY-6. In terms of energy, it is 32 times more than the SPY-2 Burke. The new radar will easily capture and track hypersonic targets. So 80 megawat - maybe just ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 3 May 2020 00: 19 New
            -1
            Until we put it completely
            Fully spay6 stands on a new aircraft carrier
          2. +5
            +5 3 May 2020 10: 10 New
            0
            How can energy help detect hypersound?
            And then what is discovered to do with it? Command Abandon Ships ...?
            But it would be necessary to bring down ... But there is nothing ...
            1. Avior
              Avior 3 May 2020 10: 35 New
              -1
              Very simple
              Add rocket maneuverability, range and altitude, something that is missing now cm-3
              1. +5
                +5 3 May 2020 10: 38 New
                0
                How can the SM-3 bring down a hypersonic target?
                Unless accidentally collides winked

                And the talk about the energy of the radar was ... And it needs to be increased at times
    3. venik
      venik 2 May 2020 18: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Zamvolt's appointment as a specialized missile defense destroyer is so obvious that it is only a matter of time before it is done.

      =======
      And WHAT, he asks, in terms of air defense / missile defense is superior to such generalists as "Burke" ???
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 May 2020 00: 18 New
        -1
        Potential opportunities of new UVP
        Mk57 cells are 1.7 times larger than those used on Berks Mk41 cells.
        A larger cell, a greater range of missiles, energy, and hence the possibility
        Only specifically for MK57 there are no missiles yet.
        Zamvolta’s radar is also better than Bberka’s potential, but again, it’s cut off, it needs to be added to the design
        1. venik
          venik 3 May 2020 13: 16 New
          0
          Quote: Avior
          Potential opportunities of new UVP
          Mk57 cells are 1.7 times larger than those used on Berks Mk41 cells.
          A larger cell, a greater range of missiles, energy, and hence the possibility
          Only specifically for MK57 there are no missiles yet.
          Zamvolta radar is also better than Berber potentially but againshe is circumcised it needs to be added before design

          ========
          All clear! "...If it was summer, if we had a Doberman pinscher, if there was a glove of this lady, and if the Doberman took a trace ..... I wouldn’t have to look!... "(Yu. Semenov" 17 Moments of Spring ").
          Those. POTENTIALLY "Zamvolt" is better than "Burk" .... But so far - it turned out as always..." request
          1. Avior
            Avior 3 May 2020 13: 25 New
            -1
            And there is
            But this problem is more likely not of the ship itself, but of weapons deficiencies for it
            1. venik
              venik 3 May 2020 13: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Avior
              And there is
              But this problem is more likely not of the ship itself, but of weapons deficiencies for it

              ========
              That is, as I understand the problems with the power plant, this is also a "flaw arms"???
              1. Avior
                Avior 3 May 2020 13: 38 New
                -1
                With GEM brought to mind, as far as I know. And what do you want - they crammed the ship of new systems above the roof, everything cannot work perfectly right away
    4. +5
      +5 3 May 2020 09: 47 New
      +1
      It was just that the missile defense function could not be screwed and will not be screwed ... Unless air defense is refused, the compatibility of radars and equipment
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 May 2020 10: 00 New
        -1
        I don’t understand what you mean
        What kind of incompatibility?
        1. +5
          +5 3 May 2020 10: 08 New
          0
          Radio electronic incompatibility. Sleep Zamvolta can not look into space and around him, like Burke. Therefore, there is no missile defense function. For her, it is necessary to change the location of the AFAR canvases, to redo those half-ships.
          1. Avior
            Avior 3 May 2020 10: 27 New
            -1
            There is no such problem, it has long been decided, the radar is already on Ford carriers
            1. +5
              +5 3 May 2020 10: 36 New
              0
              So it’s on Zamvolta ... It’s just that it’s shining into the sky and it’s impossible to look for rackets outside the atmosphere ... and it cannot, unless the superstructure is cut down (wooden smile smile) and do not build again
              1. Avior
                Avior 3 May 2020 13: 24 New
                -1
                On Let - Cropped, Not Fully
  4. svp67
    svp67 2 May 2020 15: 57 New
    +6
    A ship without a combat mission: with the appointment of the stealth destroyer Zumwalt in the US Navy did not decide
    "There would be a neck, but there would be a yoke ..." We would have their worries ... We have a different problem, there are a lot of tasks, but the "cat cried" ships
  5. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 2 May 2020 15: 58 New
    +6
    Americans have a lot of money for futuristic projects.
    1. Antifreeze
      Antifreeze 2 May 2020 19: 08 New
      -3
      How much they ask - so much they will draw
  6. sergo1914
    sergo1914 2 May 2020 15: 59 New
    12
    When I see a lateral projection - I want to sandal 152 with high-explosive fragmentation. What's wrong with me? Disease?
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 2 May 2020 16: 07 New
      +8
      Quote: sergo1914
      What's wrong with me? Disease?

      Well no. Normal reflexes due to healthy genetics. request
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 3 May 2020 23: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Vasyan1971
        Quote: sergo1914
        What's wrong with me? Disease?

        Well no. Normal reflexes due to healthy genetics. request


        Normal reflexes are PKR. And here I want to torment. That would hurt.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 2 May 2020 16: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: sergo1914
      When I see a side projection ...

      I am reminded of the video halls of the 90s, the Death Star, Darth Vader and R2-D2. winked
      1. SVD68
        SVD68 2 May 2020 16: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Piramidon
        I remember the video halls of the 90s

        And also a destroyer (Destroyer). :)
    3. Peter is not the first
      Peter is not the first 2 May 2020 19: 44 New
      -1
      wink Sand up, 152 mm?
      It doesn’t work out, it won’t come to our shore at a distance of the range of this land caliber. But 130 mm just right. It is for our AK-130.
      Better yet, consider his insides after RCC.
      Bloodthirsty? But you can dream. drinks
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 3 May 2020 22: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Peter is not the first
        wink Sand up, 152 mm?
        It doesn’t work out, it won’t come to our shore at a distance of the range of this land caliber. But 130 mm just right. It is for our AK-130.
        Better yet, consider his insides after RCC.
        Bloodthirsty? But you can dream. drinks


        Minus the crew? How did they get here? 152 will work out. In blessed memory Vasily Georgievich Malikov told how they cherished on Mao’s birthday, nicknamed Dzedong in Taiwan. Dangerous, but possible.
    4. alien308
      alien308 3 May 2020 14: 14 New
      0
      Looks like a plywood target on an artillery range.
  7. knn54
    knn54 2 May 2020 15: 59 New
    +1
    How do we differ from the Yankees.
    They pretend to be "fools", and we pretend to be smart.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 2 May 2020 16: 15 New
      +1
      "Fools" who hooked the whole world on their paper cut.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 2 May 2020 16: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: Pessimist22
        "Fools" who hooked the whole world on their paper cut.

        In the "fools", as a result, were those who got hooked on her.
    2. AVA77
      AVA77 2 May 2020 16: 46 New
      -1
      Yeah, the Americans screwed up, but the arrows must be transferred to Russia.
  8. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 2 May 2020 16: 38 New
    0
    In the USA, there are also masters to cut budget funds ...
  9. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 2 May 2020 16: 40 New
    0
    This pot is made for using dolls on a teapot. Or like a bow on a bald head. Demonstrate the benefits of lobbying.
  10. Sergey39
    Sergey39 2 May 2020 16: 40 New
    +2
    The ship will make an excellent monument to the stupidity and imperial ambitions of financial tycoons of Washington.
  11. cniza
    cniza 2 May 2020 16: 57 New
    +1
    And then the fathers of the US Navy themselves began to scratch their heads actively, reflecting on whether the game was worth the candle. $ 8 billion support ship?


    Congratulations, keep up the good work ...
  12. mortido
    mortido 2 May 2020 17: 39 New
    +1
    We would be like this "without a combat mission" and why are these stupid arguments
  13. orionvitt
    orionvitt 2 May 2020 17: 45 New
    0
    What is its main function in the US Navy?
    How what? 8 billion sawn green money apiece.
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 May 2020 17: 46 New
    0
    Pirates in Somalia to drive.
  15. bars1
    bars1 2 May 2020 17: 48 New
    0
    The title of the article is such that an unprepared reader may get the impression that the ship is being panicked, "put on pins and needles"! They will be employed as another guard of aircraft carriers, business that.
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 May 2020 18: 04 New
    +7
    The article is a little cunning smile
    Zumvoltam combat missions are changed today (this is true)
    and defined.
    Three Zumvolts will form the basis of three separate combat squadrons
    with enemy surface ships.
    Each squadron will include one Zumvolt missile cruiser,
    3-4 ships LCS (high-speed trimarans) and two submarines Virginia.
    LCS is now reinforced by two advanced starters
    Norwegian anti-ship missiles (total - 8 missiles).
    Objective: repel the attacks of Chinese destroyers / frigates / corvettes in the western
    parts of the Pacific.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 2 May 2020 22: 18 New
      -1
      But for 8 bills it somehow looks pale. hi
    2. +5
      +5 3 May 2020 09: 54 New
      -1
      Bullshit level support landing. Zyama doesn’t have his own anti-ship missiles, there is no other monument to peeling with LCS rolling, no anti-ship missiles (as there are no weapons at all), to squeeze PU containers on all of them, end with lies for the benefit of stealth (the only explanation for why these freaks were sculpted and their price). And the LCS is a littoral, coastal ship ... are the US waiting for a Chinese naval landing in California?
      Well, the result of the confrontation of such a CGM with light subsonic RCCs from the Chinese CUG with RCC of a completely different class is obviously predictable ..
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 May 2020 10: 21 New
        +4
        Your information is out of date.
        1) Here is the trimaran LCS shoots the Norwegian RCC. This is a photo, not an animation.
        These ships are very nautical. And they crossed the Pacific many times.
        They were tested in the storm.

        2) The first Zumvolt will receive the Tomogavk missile in the RCC variant. It was provided by the GOS
        with scanning to search and attack moving targets. The rocket is tested.
        And missiles RCC SM-6
        1. +5
          +5 3 May 2020 10: 53 New
          -1
          1. And what did I write about? Box set. Goodbye stealth. And the racket is light, such only from a boat, etc. 205 to fight.
          2. A staff aborted in 1988, Tomahawk-PKR put on Zamvolt? There the problem was that while this subsonic stuffed animal was flying, the target would go to another sea.
          RCC from SM-6? Well, so did our Osa on the load of sandals, but this does not mean that it is suitable RCC.

          In any case, there are no chances against the Chinese KMG from the new destroyers and frigates ... One hope for the Virge ... Then why do they need these unsuccessful unarmed freaks?

          By the way, your mental brothers broke how much a copy that KUG is a hat and is doomed (Russian, with supersonic anti-ship missiles, which you can’t get down at all) and the aircraft steers, and here the Americans turned out to give a glimpse of their anti-ship KUG and lo and behold! The idea was fit ..
          laughing
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 May 2020 12: 07 New
            +5
            "it was that while this subsonic scarecrow would fly" ////
            ----
            The caliber is exactly the same "subsonic scarecrow". smile
            A subsonic rocket flying low over the sea is harder to intercept than
            supersonic, flying high. Therefore, the Americans are in no hurry to cross
            to supersonic anti-ship missiles, and improve subsonic ones, making them stealth like JASSM
            1. +5
              +5 3 May 2020 14: 53 New
              -1
              The caliber in the form of anti-ship missiles has a super-sound part for the final trajectory, it is mainly intended for export, so the range is 290 km ... like the extreme Harpoons and Urani. And the Ax 450 range had ...
              What kind of super high-altitude anti-ship missiles? X-22 late 60s? All super-sound Soviet anti-ship missiles go at super low altitude. Yes, they have a high-altitude section and a maximum range with it, but it ends at the line of destruction of the air defense system and the rocket goes beyond the radio horizon.
              And Americans hardly know how to shoot down super-sound anti-ship missiles ... One hope for a drill next and cm6 for 6 lyam bucks
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 4 May 2020 07: 36 New
        +2
        IMHO, the stories about the total "cut" in the American Navy are designed to cover up the fact of its numerical and qualitative superiority, as well as an order of magnitude larger budget (and this parameter will never be equalized, objectively). In our Navy, inefficient spending, carelessness (and sometimes theft), of course, no smile
    3. alien308
      alien308 3 May 2020 14: 23 New
      0
      Is there such a squadron to go to the aviation group? The destroyers are redundant in strike weapons. And for target designation, you still need a boat with a radar patrol aircraft.
  17. Junior Private
    Junior Private 2 May 2020 18: 08 New
    +1
    Americans have a lot to be proud of. Now from Zamvolt it is possible to make a floating museum, with a commemorative plaque on board: "This is the first stealth ship in the history of the world, which was towed along the Panama Canal." But seriously, for 8 billion you can fight hunger somewhere in Africa or help Americans get health insurance so that viruses can be more easily transferred. But the Pentagons are against it.
    1. Kruglov
      Kruglov 3 May 2020 06: 26 New
      +1
      In fact, everyone’s being towed through the channel. More precisely, through the lock chambers. Regardless of the presence or absence of a move. Moreover, coastal locomotives. Little such. This is me, by the way ...
  18. awdrgy
    awdrgy 2 May 2020 19: 08 New
    +2
    They still jumped above their heads. The world looked surprised and declared
    -"So what?"
  19. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 2 May 2020 20: 28 New
    0
    The case when a modern ship is already on the move, and the development of a new generation of weapons is slowing down. With such powerful energy, it is clearly great for the sensors and missiles used by their fleet now. "Darpa" will not "shoot" a breakthrough weapon in any way. Therefore, their main naval gunsmiths have no tests. Such a thing that scientific journals do not write about it, but they are clearly digging in this direction.
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  21. Freedim
    Freedim 2 May 2020 23: 07 New
    +2
    From the same opera
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 2 May 2020 23: 32 New
      +1
      Almost -This implies at least the presence of a whole range of breakthrough technologies and most importantly corresponds to the goal
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 May 2020 00: 22 New
        -1
        At the first stage, special new technologies are not needed
        It is necessary to take cm-3 as a basis, and increase its energy capabilities by adding fuel
        1. +5
          +5 3 May 2020 10: 01 New
          0
          Nipaluhitstsa ... Rocket in Block 2 and so already the entire volume of Mk41 takes ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 3 May 2020 11: 25 New
            -1
            That is why Zamvolt is needed, Zwamvolt cells μ57 are 1,7 times larger in volume than μ41
        2. awdrgy
          awdrgy 3 May 2020 11: 22 New
          0
          Yes, they are not needed at all at any stage And this ship is not needed - "It's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off" Shcha Gates chip will fit and that's all (total control) Well, he will swim for beauty Voila Put at least cm-3 at least cm-23 the question is the same, "So what?"
  22. Kushka
    Kushka 2 May 2020 23: 55 New
    +1
    1. A negative result is also a result.
    2. 8 billion from the United States "did not go" anywhere, they stayed in the United States (even a locksmith fell).
    3. Have you ever heard of giant ekranoplanes, or taboo?
  23. acetophenon
    acetophenon 3 May 2020 00: 44 New
    +1
    Nice destroyer. Large. For such a "Hero" will be given right away.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 4 May 2020 07: 52 New
      0
      It is not necessary to consider that the ship and crew are not operational. Heroes are also given posthumously smile
  24. +5
    +5 3 May 2020 09: 45 New
    +1
    Oh, how unexpectedly ... Definitely the agents of Vlad Putin pushed this project ... The displacement of the cruiser, and Burke had 80 holes for missiles instead of 94, the radar missile defense did not get up ... Oh yes, 2 155 mm fluffs, which are shells per 1 they should have beaten the bucks for 100+ km ... Well, 3 of these cruisers with all of the BK to suppress the INTRODUCTION stronghold to the edge is enough wink
  25. grumbler
    grumbler 3 May 2020 20: 50 New
    0
    Lesson for everyone. This is what happens when the military-industrial complex does what it "wants / can" and with the help of lobbyists pushes it forward.
    And what a cruel irony - "Zumwalt", it seems, is not named after the very Zumwalt, one of the authors of the "doctrine of Lehman, Zumwalt", according to which (https://topwar.ru/149793-pravila-vraga.html):
    A separate requirement was a direct ban on the pursuit of excessive technical excellence. It was believed that the latest systems can and should be installed on a ship, but only when they are brought to a working state, and choosing between a “just good” subsystem and a more expensive and less advanced but technically more advanced one, it was considered correct to choose the first one . The pursuit of super-perfection has been declared evil, and the principle “the best is the enemy of the good” has become a guiding light.

    Now the ship's excessive power-to-weight ratio can be used for electronic warfare. Using low visibility, the EW-Zumvalt can sneak up and "give impulse" to ships (especially aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers or UAV carriers) or "blow off" the UAV.