Indian expert suggested using the experience of the USSR in biological protection


In connection with the events that take place in the world, experts from different countries are trying to answer the question: is the new virus of natural origin or created in one of the biological laboratories? In this case, the second option implies sub-questions: if it was created in the laboratory, then for what purpose - not for the purpose of using it as a biological weapons?


Recall that earlier in China and the United States (and these countries shower each other with mutual accusations of creating and spreading a coronavirus infection), scientists said that SARS-CoV-2 was impossible to create in the laboratory. According to scientists, the gene decrypted by this virus shows how the SARS virus has been transformed for a fairly long time, acquiring new opportunities that are destructive for the body.

Against this background, the Indian press publishes the material of expert Debajit Sarkar, who, without blaming anyone for the possibility of creating a coronavirus as a biological weapon, emphasizes that the threat of the appearance and use of such weapons still exists. He is considering the fact that pathogens that can harm a person can be in the hands of terrorists.

Sarkar:

Today, EU countries, Russia and others are doing everything to prevent biological weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists. But they can use other mechanisms. For example, infect agricultural land with any pathogen. This is a disaster for people. This can affect their health.

An Indian expert notes the successful experience of confronting such threats in the USSR.

He recalls that in the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War, biological defense systems were built practically throughout the country. The expert proposes to take advantage of the Soviet biological protection experience - to create similar systems and laboratories in large cities around the world that will interact with each other, conduct joint training of their employees, share experience - all for the sole purpose of: resisting any possibility of manifestation of bioterrorism.

Sarkar writes that it is necessary to create interstate intelligence, which could effectively identify terrorist cells engaged in research in the field of the creation of certain pathogens, their possible distribution.

These suggestions certainly look correct and important. Here are just Debajit Sarkar knowingly or accidentally overlooks one significant detail. The fact is that in a number of countries the work carried out in special laboratories is strictly classified, and for one reason or another, the customers of such work are clearly not going to share these secrets. The Indian expert does not take into account such an important moment as the number of American bio-laboratories that have grown in recent years around the world, including, for example, the post-Soviet space. It is hard to say what exactly American (and not only) specialists are doing there. Especially considering that these are closed structures, to which neither inspectors from WHO, nor other persons who are able to give an unambiguous answer are allowed.

In this regard, mutual distrust and phobias, which are actively manifesting themselves, continue to grow and multiply, especially today.
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  1. Zementbomber 2 May 2020 07: 52 New
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    Interestingly - what is the meaning of broadcasting utopian-erotic manilism from this "expert" ?? ...
    1. Civil 2 May 2020 08: 33 New
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      The Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War built biological defense systems virtually throughout the country

      How is it possible? This is not economically profitable, optimization first of all.
      1. Zementbomber 2 May 2020 08: 43 New
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        Yes, what does "optimization" have to do with it ?? This gentleman 420 Debadzhita - has an absolutely fantastic idea of ​​the biosecurity system in the USSR (chemical army, civil defense, SES). Well, the USSR was not ready for large-scale defensive measures in the event of a bacteriological war - not ready !! Even - actually the Soviet Armed Forces. Not to mention the protection of the population, critical infrastructure and agribusiness. However - in fairness - no one in the world was really ready for it. Never been.
        1. Civil 2 May 2020 08: 51 New
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          Quote: Zementbomber
          Yes, what does "optimization" have to do with it ?? This gentleman 420 Debadzhita - has an absolutely fantastic idea of ​​the biosecurity system in the USSR (chemical army, civil defense, SES). Well, the USSR was not ready for large-scale defensive measures in the event of a bacteriological war - not ready !! Even - actually the Soviet Armed Forces. Not to mention the protection of the population, critical infrastructure and agribusiness. However - in fairness - no one in the world was really ready for it. Never been.

          I mean that, that's why they optimized. After the optimization process, we are getting better and more beautiful, excellent medicine, an excellent education, a profitable pension system. Where are all sorts of Zimbabwe and Syria before us.
          1. Zementbomber 2 May 2020 09: 05 New
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            Where are all sorts of Zimbabwe and Syria before us.

            In 1991-1994, I had a girlfriend, an officer of the Ethiopian army.
            In 1996-1997, I myself have been to the Belgian Congo more than once. And not in hotels.
            Some volunteers are friends in the battalion in 2014-2015. my current secretary - then fought in Syria.
            So I have some idea what “medicine” and “social” guarantees are everywhere.
            And I can categorically assert that seriously putting on any wooden board even some Russian Mukhosk-on-Dalniy-Glukhomanshchina with Black Africa and Syria - to put it mildly, the people are "not very smart" ... hi
            1. Civil 2 May 2020 09: 25 New
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              And I can categorically assert that seriously putting on any wooden board even some Russian Mukhosk-on-Dalny-Glukhomanshchina with Black Africa and Syria - to put it mildly, people are "not very smart" ... hi

              Of course - of course, where there are all sorts of China, the US occupied by South Korea and Singapore before our most powerful medicine! Or do you and there have a relative of a second cousin of a roommate who personally saw on TV how she buried thousands of corpses from a coronavirus?
              1. Zementbomber 2 May 2020 09: 53 New
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                Well - how do you say ... laughing The eldest son and his mother are US citizens. Moreover, his mother (my First BZ) is now the main sister of the leading hospital in the state capital. The youngest is an Israeli. My uncle, his wife, and my younger cousin (their daughter) are Canadian citizens (this sister lives with her husband in the United States, however). The tribe of the Third BZ (and her older sister and husband of this sister) are also Canadian citizens. A fellow student is a citizen of Germany. Another classmate is a top historian in the Czech Republic and, of course, her citizen. Two classmates and a cousin live in Russia. Another classmate is a doctor in such a country, “Father’s Country.” Well, in my Poland I have a girlfriend and heaps - there is a business partner. And in Hungary there is a business partner. And this is me. not all "defamatory connections" listed. smile So what do you think - can I compare? - or how? laughing
              2. Zementbomber 2 May 2020 10: 05 New
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                where are all sorts of China

                Hammer in Googol - what is "guanxi" / "guansi" (how to type hieroglyphs - I don’t know, excuse me) how much it costs, and what it costs for those who don’t want or (more often) cannot (purely) financial reasons) to observe their "unwritten" rules. Including when applying to the PRC public health system ...
                1. Civil 2 May 2020 10: 51 New
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                  Quote: Zementbomber
                  where are all sorts of China

                  Hammer in Googol - what is "guanxi" / "guansi" (how to type hieroglyphs - I don’t know, excuse me) how much it costs, and what it costs for those who don’t want or (more often) cannot (purely) financial reasons) to observe their "unwritten" rules. Including when applying to the PRC public health system ...

                  Exactly. A backward, impoverished China, where are they to us?
                  1. Zementbomber 2 May 2020 11: 16 New
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                    You really don’t understand that the level of quality and - most importantly - accessibility - of public health - is by no means not = "PPP median household income" (and even more so not = "GDP per capita") ?? Well then - why ...
                    1. Civil 2 May 2020 13: 00 New
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                      Quote: Zementbomber
                      You really don’t understand that the level of quality and - most importantly - accessibility - of public health - is by no means not = "PPP median household income" (and even more so not = "GDP per capita") ?? Well then - why ...

                      Well, how can I not understand something, we have long been in first place in the world for all these indicators. The most prosperous country in Europe and Asia. The main thing is to keep the border with NATO so that the flow of refugees from Germans, French and all sorts of Britons does not rush to us.
                      1. Zementbomber 2 May 2020 13: 10 New
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                        I can only advise you to follow the wise (IMHO) RuViki-Rule NDA aka Do not bring to the Absurd ... fool
                        PS Apparently, you weren’t “treated” with a panadol for middle ear inflammation (and this is the United Kingdom, London, yes - although of course the special FISSS district of Greater London is also true).
        2. nikvic46 3 May 2020 10: 00 New
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          Sergey. You say "in case of bacteriological warfare." This war has been going on for a long time. Your poor awareness of the sanitary protection of the USSR is understandable. People of the current generation do not even know about it. And this ignorance makes you enter into a dispute.
          1. Zementbomber 4 May 2020 21: 43 New
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            Nikolay, I - not "today's" generation. 1970 release. And the tolerances that I had in 1995-1997 and in 2002-2006. (as well as a short time in 2014) - it was quite possible to get acquainted with a number of interesting things. Including and with the organization of protection against WMD in the civil defense system of the Ukrainian SSR. I am not an expert in this area, of course - but I have a certain idea in common.
            And the “bacteriological warfare" is now really going on. In the imagination of propagandists, conspiracy theorists and of course those who are being led by their cranberries. laughing
      2. AU Ivanov. 2 May 2020 15: 16 New
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        You can. In the USSR, the biological defense system was built on the basis of the use of BO, and not with the aim of protecting the population from non-combat infections. As soon as the threat of using BO ceased to be relevant, it was optimized, as it turned out now - in vain.
        1. Zementbomber 4 May 2020 21: 47 New
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          In the USSR, the biological defense system was built on the basis of the use of BO, and not with the aim of protecting the population from non-combat infections.

          Not really. The organization and provision of protection against cholera, for example (in the considered cholera-epidemiologically dangerous regions and regions of the Union) - was completely integrated into the overall integrated. biosecurity system. Now this approach would be called "civil-military interaction and administration."
  2. Olgovich 2 May 2020 07: 52 New
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    In this regard, mutual distrust and phobias, which are actively manifesting themselves, continue to grow and multiply, especially today.


    Therefore, we must meet and agree again and again! At least a thousand times, there’s simply no other way ..

    Today -75 years since the FALL OF BERLIN !!!

    HAPPY to everyone!
    1. Same lech 2 May 2020 08: 14 New
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      Therefore, we must meet and agree again and again! At least a thousand times, there’s simply no other way ..

      Agree... smile good word ... but just looking with whom.
      Once an agreement was signed with Hitler on non-aggression ... so it’s especially not worth believing in the inviolability of the letter of the treaty. smile ... you should not be a naive Native American youth from the time of Spanish colonization.
      1. Olgovich 2 May 2020 08: 21 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        so believe in the inviolability of the letter of the contract is not particularly worth it.

        Who is talking about faith?

        speech about need to agree on the development of methods for mutual control and increased security. What is the alternative to this?

        It is clear at the same time that the powder must be kept dry! otherwise no contracts will go!
        1. Same lech 2 May 2020 08: 57 New
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          it is about the need to agree on the development of methods for mutual control and increased security. What is the alternative to this?

          Well, such a number will not work with the United States ... Americans withdraw from such treaties when they feel like it ... only the presence of a real threat of destruction makes them negotiate with us and nothing else.
          1. Olgovich 2 May 2020 10: 13 New
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            Quote: The same Lech
            .only availability real threat of destruction makes them agree with us and nothing else.

            Do I have somewhere written differently? belay

            but the result isagreement
        2. boris epstein 3 May 2020 14: 52 New
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          If a sharpie (USA) begins to lose, he changes the rules of the game. That is, he begins to withdraw from the Treaties.
  3. Same lech 2 May 2020 07: 53 New
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    scientists said that SARS-CoV-2 was impossible to create in the laboratory.

    So far, no one has proven this with 100 percent certainty ... just the opposite is stated the opposite ...
    If CoViD-19 had a natural origin, he says, then Chinese scientists would have already distinguished it from animal populations that host the virus in nature. Since such isolation has not yet been achieved, I consider the allegations of the natural nature of the new coronavirus as contradicting the generally accepted principles of the epidemiology of zoonotic pathogens


    https://life.ru/p/1314686
    1. Zementbomber 2 May 2020 08: 24 New
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      RaTG13, isolated from a bat population of the species Rhinolophus affinis collected in the Chinese province of Yunnan, has recently been described as very similar to SARS-CoV-2, with genome sequences 96% identical.

      On February 7, 2020, it became known that a virus was found in pangolin, even closer to SARS-CoV-2. Given that 99% of genomic matches were recorded, this suggested a more likely reservoir than bats (however, a recent study seemed to show that the genome of the coronavirus isolated from the Malaysian pangolin (Manis javanica) is less similar to SARS -Cov-2 and has only 90% genomic consistency).
  4. Vladimir_2U 2 May 2020 07: 54 New
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    He recalls that in the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War, biological defense systems were built practically throughout the country.
    There is no Union, nor am I afraid that the system. But my personal opinion, this virus directly showed the authorities of our country that it is not immortal and will not stay in the West, so there is no silver lining.
    1. Same lech 2 May 2020 08: 06 New
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      the authorities of our country that it is not immortal and will not stay in the West, so there is no silver lining.

      Yes, this is true ... our moneybags who appeared in Western countries suddenly with hope remembered Russia, which they contemptuously called Raska ... an indicative fact.
      Reality has shown that you cannot buy the safety of your life for any money even in a prosperous outwardly West.
    2. mikh-korsakov 2 May 2020 08: 31 New
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      To the question of the fabrications of Western slanderers. With deep regret I read numerous reports of violators of self-isolation, which are stacked contrary to common sense. There is a solution to the problem - to fit the filling station to the group of violators and to pour the whole company with a disinfectant solution. It is harmless to humans and animals, has a slight smell of bleach. I imagine what a howl will rise in the Western media as if in the Russian Federation they are poisoning people with a "newbie." How Lia Akhedzhakova wringes her hands. However, this will only be useful - how many innocent stupid souls will be spared from infection
      1. Volodin 2 May 2020 08: 41 New
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        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        With deep regret I read numerous reports of violators of self-isolation, which are stacked contrary to common sense. There is an option to solve the problem - to fit the filling station to the group of violators and pour the whole company with a disinfectant solution

        And where was Mishustin "stacked"? Where did Minister Yakushev stack up? Just wondering. Surely they could not stand it and rushed to the barbecue ...

        The thing is this: either they in vain violated the regime of self-isolation and anti-virus protection measures, setting a bad example for citizens, or people get sick in self-isolation. Thus, the whole country will have to be watered with disinfectant.
        1. Sovetikus 2 May 2020 08: 54 New
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          Quote: Volodin
          And where was Mishustin "stacked"? Where did Minister Yakushev stack up? Just wondering. Surely they could not stand it and rushed to the barbecue ...

          In the process, their children from abroad brought infection.
          1. mikh-korsakov 2 May 2020 09: 14 New
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            Sovetikus. As an option it’s possible. But not in the case of Mishustin. This is where children study at MSTU. To go and they and his wife abroad on vacation. Of course they could. Only unlikely. Too much time has passed, besides the journalists would have already sniffed and trumpeted.
            1. Sovetikus 2 May 2020 09: 24 New
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              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              As an option it’s possible. But not in the case of Mishustin. This is where children study at MSTU. To go and they and his wife abroad on vacation. Of course they could. Only unlikely. Too much time has passed, besides the journalists would have already sniffed and trumpeted.

              In principle, it is logical .. I respect Mishustina, a serious man .. I hope to recover and soon!
              1. Range 3 May 2020 19: 46 New
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                And you udo-liberalism minuserit. Looks like you are very guilty before the shobla of podpinnikin and the promised.
            2. awdrgy 2 May 2020 09: 59 New
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              Please note that many “first” persons get sick. It is also worth noting that the security measures taken by the heads of many states speak about their awareness about this. Well, the conclusion suggests itself. As for outbreaks among ordinary people, this is a factor of destabilization and distraction (their lives in they don’t count) Someone started a “big game” It is also interesting that some states (their leaders), regardless of the level of development of medicine, are much less afraid (or not at all) of this “event”. that these are states that "do not solve anything" on the political map. The question of the natural origin of rubbish does not stand as well as the issue of total destruction (reduction) of the population (at the moment) Economic issues (this is obvious) and also fear when everyone is totally frightened then there will be an offer that cannot be refused And if they don’t accept? -Then a new “coronavirus” will appear and worse than before
          2. flicker 3 May 2020 09: 48 New
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            Maybe from the driver, maybe from someone from the guard - there would be a person, but there will be a case of infection.
        2. Same lech 2 May 2020 08: 59 New
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          And where was Mishustin "stacked"?

          It seems to me that he was infected through his relatives. what ... amazing ... the second person in the state with its security service and such a puncture ... incomprehensible.
          1. mikh-korsakov 2 May 2020 10: 23 New
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            Aleksey! It is precisely in view of the many measures called for "Majesty that we must protect us from all sorts of unnecessary meetings" that I personally personally have the impression that the comrades simply arranged a brawl while the boss does not see it. Do not forget that Mikhail Vladimirovich is half Armenian - with all the consequences.
        3. mikh-korsakov 2 May 2020 09: 06 New
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          Alexei! Believing that people get a viral infection in self-isolation is the same thing. what to believe in the spontaneous birth of life - unless of course the extremely exotic version of the virus penetrating through a window or ventilation is excluded. for the virus has no wings. As for finding out exactly how the members of the government managed to get infected, I don’t presume to find out, because I do not enter the ranks. But the options are a damn thing, since people don’t isolate them, they are public, although I would not rule out the possibility of joint gatherings in the evening after cognac, until the boss sees it, people are alive. By the way, the Chinese in a particular province did just that - the result is obvious.
  5. knn54 2 May 2020 08: 12 New
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    -Today, the EU countries, Russia and others are doing everything to prevent biological weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists.
    The author “tactfully” did not mention the United States. The PRC apparently also refers to others.
    Here it is necessary to take into account the "indifference" of the Indians. In contrast to the Japanese and Chinese.
  6. KVU-NSVD 2 May 2020 08: 13 New
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    Been in India. The farther from the center, the more dirt. shit and ... well, complete hygiene in a word - both on the streets, and in people, and on food .. So before adopting experience it would not hurt to learn to wash floors, hands and dishes. At the same time, they will not defecate in the Ganges, but also wash themselves. while brushing your teeth there and going home, from there the same water to cook
    1. Vladimir_2U 2 May 2020 08: 29 New
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      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      from there to collect water for cooking
      Moreover, downstream, pushing the foot of the late Brahmin. )))
      1. KVU-NSVD 2 May 2020 08: 32 New
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        Moreover, downstream, pushing the foot of the late Brahmin. )))

        They burn them, there is no need to slander too much, everything in principle is quite hygienic. Although the fire is certainly not a crematorium.
        1. Vladimir_2U 2 May 2020 08: 33 New
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          Sorry, I'm not an Indian scholar. laughing
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            Here in the Solar Hot India - to call the Indians and especially the Indians - "Indians" - strongly not recommend. Physics - can decently suffer. And then the police will also add. And - her batons are wooden - and with knots ... laughing
            1. Vladimir_2U 2 May 2020 11: 37 New
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              And even Chingachgukami is impossible ?! What a nuisance!
              1. Zementbomber 2 May 2020 11: 49 New
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                As for the Chingachguk, I don’t know. Neither I nor anyone from my surroundings have tried. But "indиegg "from" indеegg "- distinguished by the sound of even an illiterate beggar" untouchable "far beyond Delhi It's like in the US African-American." Nigra "or" nigger "to call.
                1. Vladimir_2U 2 May 2020 15: 51 New
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                  Quote: Zementbomber
                  But the "Indian" from the "Indian" - distinguishes even the sound of an illiterate beggar
                  But do they distinguish irony from words in all seriousness?
                  1. Zementbomber 2 May 2020 16: 24 New
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                    But in this - much not sure. Apparently therefore - the "pundits" instructed us - "do not experiment." smile
                    1. Vladimir_2U 3 May 2020 02: 27 New
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                      Instructions from scratch do not arise. hi
                      1. Zementbomber 4 May 2020 21: 52 New
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                        Taki - yes. smile We were at our "sweet couple" not the first far escorted from the "postSSSR".
      2. Sovetikus 2 May 2020 08: 55 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        from there to collect water for cooking
        Moreover, downstream, pushing the foot of the late Brahmin. )))

        Sure fu damn ... wassat
    2. Volodin 2 May 2020 08: 48 New
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      At the same time, they will not defecate in the Ganges, but also wash themselves. while brushing your teeth there and going home, from there the same water to cook

      Rumor has it that in this regard the Thames, Spree, the Moscow River are not much cleaner than the Ganges. They also bathe in them, use water for irrigation, maybe someone brushes their teeth ...
      1. KVU-NSVD 2 May 2020 08: 55 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        Rumor has it that in this regard the Thames, Spree, the Moscow River are not much cleaner than the Ganges. They also bathe in them, use water for irrigation, maybe someone brushes their teeth ...

        Quote: Volodin
        Rumor has it that in this regard the Thames, Spree, the Moscow River are not much cleaner than the Ganges. They also bathe in them, use water for irrigation, maybe someone brushes their teeth ...

        I'm not talking about the cleanliness of the rivers, I'm about the unsanitary conditions of the population. But the Ganges is something, the Moscow River at least looks presentable, the Thames and Spree are generally outwardly as in the picture. Nov I understand what you mean - yes, children splash in the river in Moscow and water the tomatoes from it, but the city’s population doesn’t go there “wash-shave” every day, picking up water for drinking and kitchen on the way back
  7. Conell f 2 May 2020 09: 18 New
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    With all responsibility, I can say that there were such organizations in the Union, only they were called scientific research institutes, possibly for secret purposes, they, in fact, worked out methods of combating various dangerous infections, carefully monitored the epidemiological situation at the borders of the Union, so that experience this division does not occupy because they were scattered throughout the country ..
  8. APASUS 2 May 2020 10: 42 New
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    An Indian expert confuses the built-in biological defense system of the USSR and modern Russia. There is experience, and the construction of such a system has been going on for decades
    At one time, the US Postal Service, developed plans for the delivery of correspondence in a nuclear conflict! And now we see with the example of KOVID 19 how far modern Americans are from those plans of the former America.
  9. Normal ok 2 May 2020 11: 42 New
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    He recalls that in the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War, biological defense systems were built practically throughout the country.

    One of the components of which is the Odessa Antiplague Research Institute named after Mechnikov. Founded in the late 19th century with the support of Louis Pasteur. Which all the local conspiracy theories consider "Amer evil." And, which the Ukrainian authorities are now trying to "optimize." I wonder if it was an American bioweapon laboratory, would they cut funding for it? Would you fire employees?
    1. Zementbomber 4 May 2020 22: 01 New
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      Peter - don’t tear the template to age-old children - otherwise they will be in fear and anger ... laughing laughing