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Indian expert suggested using the experience of the USSR in biological protection

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In connection with the events that take place in the world, experts from different countries are trying to answer the question: is the new virus of natural origin or created in one of the biological laboratories? In this case, the second option implies sub-questions: if it was created in the laboratory, then for what purpose - not for the purpose of using it as a biological weapons?


Recall that earlier in China and the United States (and these countries shower each other with mutual accusations of creating and spreading a coronavirus infection), scientists said that SARS-CoV-2 was impossible to create in the laboratory. According to scientists, the gene decrypted by this virus shows how the SARS virus has been transformed for a fairly long time, acquiring new opportunities that are destructive for the body.

Against this background, the Indian press publishes the material of expert Debajit Sarkar, who, without blaming anyone for the possibility of creating a coronavirus as a biological weapon, emphasizes that the threat of the appearance and use of such weapons still exists. He is considering the fact that pathogens that can harm a person can be in the hands of terrorists.

Sarkar:

Today, EU countries, Russia and others are doing everything to prevent biological weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists. But they can use other mechanisms. For example, infect agricultural land with any pathogen. This is a disaster for people. This can affect their health.

An Indian expert notes the successful experience of confronting such threats in the USSR.

He recalls that in the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War, biological defense systems were built practically throughout the country. The expert proposes to take advantage of the Soviet biological protection experience - to create similar systems and laboratories in large cities around the world that will interact with each other, conduct joint training of their employees, share experience - all for the sole purpose of: resisting any possibility of manifestation of bioterrorism.

Sarkar writes that it is necessary to create interstate intelligence, which could effectively identify terrorist cells engaged in research in the field of the creation of certain pathogens, their possible distribution.

These suggestions certainly look correct and important. Here are just Debajit Sarkar knowingly or accidentally overlooks one significant detail. The fact is that in a number of countries the work carried out in special laboratories is strictly classified, and for one reason or another, the customers of such work are clearly not going to share these secrets. The Indian expert does not take into account such an important moment as the number of American bio-laboratories that have grown in recent years around the world, including, for example, the post-Soviet space. It is hard to say what exactly American (and not only) specialists are doing there. Especially considering that these are closed structures, to which neither inspectors from WHO, nor other persons who are able to give an unambiguous answer are allowed.

In this regard, mutual distrust and phobias, which are actively manifesting themselves, continue to grow and multiply, especially today.
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  1. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 2 May 2020 07: 52 New
    -2
    I wonder - what is the point of broadcasting utopian-erotic manilovism from this "expert" ?? ...
    1. Civil
      Civil 2 May 2020 08: 33 New
      +4
      The Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War built biological defense systems virtually throughout the country

      How is it possible? This is not economically profitable, optimization first of all.
      1. Zementbomber
        Zementbomber 2 May 2020 08: 43 New
        -5
        What does "optimization" have to do with it ?? This gentleman 420 Debajita has an absolutely fantastic idea of ​​the biosecurity system in the USSR (chemical troops, GO, SES). Well, the USSR was not ready for large-scale defensive measures in the event of bacteriological warfare - not ready !! Even - actually the Soviet Armed Forces. Not to mention the protection of the population, critical infrastructure and agribusiness. However - in fairness - no one in the world was really ready for it. Never been.
        1. Civil
          Civil 2 May 2020 08: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: Zementbomber
          What does "optimization" have to do with it ?? This gentleman 420 Debajita has an absolutely fantastic idea of ​​the biosecurity system in the USSR (chemical troops, GO, SES). Well, the USSR was not ready for large-scale defensive measures in the event of bacteriological warfare - not ready !! Even - actually the Soviet Armed Forces. Not to mention the protection of the population, critical infrastructure and agribusiness. However - in fairness - no one in the world was really ready for it. Never been.

          I mean that, that's why they optimized. After the optimization process, we are getting better and more beautiful, excellent medicine, an excellent education, a profitable pension system. Where are all sorts of Zimbabwe and Syria before us.
          1. Zementbomber
            Zementbomber 2 May 2020 09: 05 New
            -6
            Where are all sorts of Zimbabwe and Syria before us.

            In 1991-1994, I had a girlfriend, an officer of the Ethiopian army.
            In 1996-1997, I myself have been to the Belgian Congo more than once. And not in hotels.
            Some volunteers are friends in the battalion in 2014-2015. my current secretary - then fought in Syria.
            So, I have a certain idea what kind of "medicine" and "social" guarantees "are everywhere.
            And I can categorically say that seriously putting on the same wooden board even some Russian Muhosk-in-Dalne-Glukhomanshchina with Black Africa and Syria is, to put it mildly, "not very smart" people ... hi
            1. Civil
              Civil 2 May 2020 09: 25 New
              +5
              And I can categorically assert that even some Russian Muhosk-in-Dalne-Glukhomanshchina with Black Africa and Syria, who seriously puts on the same wooden board, is "not very smart" ... hi

              Of course - of course, where there are all sorts of China, the US occupied by South Korea and Singapore before our most powerful medicine! Or do you and there have a relative of a second cousin of a roommate who personally saw on TV how she buried thousands of corpses from a coronavirus?
              1. Zementbomber
                Zementbomber 2 May 2020 09: 53 New
                -5
                Well - how do you say ... laughing The eldest son and his mother are US citizens. Moreover, his mother (my First BZ) is now the main sister of the leading hospital in the state capital. The youngest is an Israeli. My own uncle, his wife and my younger cousin (their daughter) are Canadian citizens (this sister lives with her husband in the USA, however). The nephew of the Third BZ (and her older sister and the husband of this sister) are also Canadian citizens. A classmate is a citizen of Germany. Another classmate is a top "new historian in the Czech Republic and, of course, a citizen of it. Two classmates and a great-uncle live in Russia. Another classmate is a doctor in a kind of" Fatherland ". Well, in my Poland I have a friend and - before heaps - there is a business partner. And in Hungary there is a business partner. And this is me. not I listed all the "defamatory connections". smile So what do you think - can I compare? - or how? laughing
              2. Zementbomber
                Zementbomber 2 May 2020 10: 05 New
                -3
                where are all sorts of China

                Hammer into Google - what is "guanxi" / "guangxi" (how to type in hieroglyphs - I don’t know, excuse me), how much it costs, and how much does it cost those who do not want or (more often) cannot (especially financial reasons) to observe their "unwritten" rules, including when contacting the PRC public health system ...
                1. Civil
                  Civil 2 May 2020 10: 51 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Zementbomber
                  where are all sorts of China

                  Hammer into Google - what is "guanxi" / "guangxi" (how to type in hieroglyphs - I don’t know, excuse me), how much it costs, and how much does it cost those who do not want or (more often) cannot (especially financial reasons) to observe their "unwritten" rules, including when contacting the PRC public health system ...

                  Exactly. A backward, impoverished China, where are they to us?
                  1. Zementbomber
                    Zementbomber 2 May 2020 11: 16 New
                    -7
                    You really don’t understand that the level of quality and - most importantly - accessibility - of public health - is by no means not = "the level of median household income by PPP" (and even more so not = "level of GDP per capita") ?? Well then - PITCHAL ...
                    1. Civil
                      Civil 2 May 2020 13: 00 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Zementbomber
                      You really don’t understand that the level of quality and - most importantly - accessibility - of public health - is by no means not = "the level of median household income by PPP" (and even more so not = "level of GDP per capita") ?? Well then - PITCHAL ...

                      Well, how can I not understand something, we have long been in first place in the world for all these indicators. The most prosperous country in Europe and Asia. The main thing is to keep the border with NATO so that the flow of refugees from Germans, French and all sorts of Britons does not rush to us.
                      1. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 2 May 2020 13: 10 New
                        -4
                        I can only advise you to follow the wise (IMHO) RuViki-Rule NDA aka Do not bring to the Absurd ... fool
                        PS You, apparently, were not "treated" with Panadol for otitis media (and this is the United Kingdom, London, yes - although, of course, a very special district of Greater London - this is also true).
        2. nikvic46
          nikvic46 3 May 2020 10: 00 New
          0
          Sergei. You say "in case of bacteriological warfare." This war has been going on for a long time. Your poor awareness of the sanitary protection of the USSR is understandable. This is not even known to people of today's generation. And this ignorance makes you get into an argument.
          1. Zementbomber
            Zementbomber 4 May 2020 21: 43 New
            +1
            Nikolay, I - not "today's" generation. 1970 release. And those tolerances that I had in 1995-1997 and in 2002-2006. (and also for a short time in 2014) - quite allowed to get acquainted with a number of interesting things. Incl. and with the organization of protection against weapons of mass destruction in the system of civil defense of the Ukrainian SSR. I am not an expert in this area, of course - but I have a general idea.
            And the "bacteriological war" is really going on now. In the imagination of propagandists, conspiracy theorists and of course those who are led by their cranberries. laughing
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 May 2020 15: 16 New
        +2
        You can. In the USSR, the biological defense system was built on the basis of the use of BO, and not with the aim of protecting the population from non-combat infections. As soon as the threat of using BO ceased to be relevant, it was optimized, as it turned out now - in vain.
        1. Zementbomber
          Zementbomber 4 May 2020 21: 47 New
          +1
          In the USSR, the biological defense system was built on the basis of the use of BO, and not with the aim of protecting the population from non-combat infections.

          Not really. The organization and provision of protection against cholera, for example (in the regions and regions of the Union that are considered cholera-epidemic-dangerous) - was fully integrated into the overall complex. biosecurity system. Now this approach would be called "civil-military interaction and administration."
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich 2 May 2020 07: 52 New
    +7
    In this regard, mutual distrust and phobias, which are actively manifesting themselves, continue to grow and multiply, especially today.


    Therefore, we must meet and agree again and again! At least a thousand times, there’s simply no other way ..

    Today -75 years since the FALL OF BERLIN !!!

    HAPPY to everyone!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 2 May 2020 08: 14 New
      +4
      Therefore, we must meet and agree again and again! At least a thousand times, there’s simply no other way ..

      Agree... smile good word ... but just looking with whom.
      Once an agreement was signed with Hitler on non-aggression ... so it’s especially not worth believing in the inviolability of the letter of the treaty. smile ... you should not be a naive Native American youth from the time of Spanish colonization.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 2 May 2020 08: 21 New
        -6
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        so believe in the inviolability of the letter of the contract is not particularly worth it.

        Who is talking about faith?

        speech about need to agree on the development of methods for mutual control and increased security. What is the alternative to this?

        It is clear at the same time that the powder must be kept dry! otherwise no contracts will go!
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 2 May 2020 08: 57 New
          +3
          it is about the need to agree on the development of methods for mutual control and increased security. What is the alternative to this?

          Well, such a number will not work with the United States ... Americans withdraw from such treaties when they feel like it ... only the presence of a real threat of destruction makes them negotiate with us and nothing else.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 2 May 2020 10: 13 New
            -4
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            .only availability real threat of destruction makes them agree with us and nothing else.

            Do I have somewhere written differently? belay

            but the result isagreement
        2. boris epstein
          boris epstein 3 May 2020 14: 52 New
          +1
          If a sharpie (USA) begins to lose, he changes the rules of the game. That is, he begins to withdraw from the Treaties.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 2 May 2020 07: 53 New
    +4
    scientists said that SARS-CoV-2 was impossible to create in the laboratory.

    So far, no one has proven this with 100 percent certainty ... just the opposite is stated the opposite ...
    If CoViD-19 had a natural origin, he says, then Chinese scientists would have already distinguished it from animal populations that host the virus in nature. Since such isolation has not yet been achieved, I consider the allegations of the natural nature of the new coronavirus as contradicting the generally accepted principles of the epidemiology of zoonotic pathogens


    https://life.ru/p/1314686
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 2 May 2020 08: 24 New
      0
      RaTG13, isolated from a bat population of the species Rhinolophus affinis collected in the Chinese province of Yunnan, has recently been described as very similar to SARS-CoV-2, with genome sequences 96% identical.

      On February 7, 2020, it became known that a virus was found in pangolin, even closer to SARS-CoV-2. Given that 99% of genomic matches were recorded, this suggested a more likely reservoir than bats (however, a recent study seemed to show that the genome of the coronavirus isolated from the Malaysian pangolin (Manis javanica) is less similar to SARS -Cov-2 and has only 90% genomic consistency).
  4. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 2 May 2020 07: 54 New
    +6
    He recalls that in the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War, biological defense systems were built practically throughout the country.
    There is no Union, nor am I afraid that the system. But my personal opinion, this virus directly showed the authorities of our country that it is not immortal and will not stay in the West, so there is no silver lining.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 2 May 2020 08: 06 New
      +5
      the authorities of our country that it is not immortal and will not stay in the West, so there is no silver lining.

      Yes, this is true ... our moneybags who appeared in Western countries suddenly with hope remembered Russia, which they contemptuously called Raska ... an indicative fact.
      Reality has shown that you cannot buy the safety of your life for any money even in a prosperous outwardly West.
    2. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 2 May 2020 08: 31 New
      +1
      On the question of the fabrications of Western slanderers. It is with deep regret that I read the numerous reports about violators of self-isolation, which are piled up in spite of common sense. There is a solution to the problem - to fit an auto-filling station to the group of violators and pour disinfectant solution on the whole company. It is harmless to humans and animals, and has a faint smell of bleach. I can imagine what a howl will rise in the Western media as if in the Russian Federation they are poisoning the people with a "newcomer". As Liya Akhedzhakova is wringing her hands. However, this will only benefit - how many innocent stupid souls will be spared from infection
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 2 May 2020 08: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        With deep regret I read numerous reports of violators of self-isolation, which are stacked contrary to common sense. There is an option to solve the problem - to fit the filling station to the group of violators and pour the whole company with a disinfectant solution

        And where did Mishustin "cluster"? Where did Minister Yakushev gather? Just wondering. Really, they could not stand it and rushed to the barbecue ...

        The thing is this: either they in vain violated the regime of self-isolation and anti-virus protection measures, setting a bad example for citizens, or people get sick in self-isolation. Thus, the whole country will have to be watered with disinfectant.
        1. Sovetikus
          Sovetikus 2 May 2020 08: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: Volodin
          And where did Mishustin "cluster"? Where did Minister Yakushev gather? Just wondering. Really, they could not stand it and rushed to the barbecue ...

          In the process, their children from abroad brought infection.
          1. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 2 May 2020 09: 14 New
            0
            Sovetikus. As an option it’s possible. But not in the case of Mishustin. This is where children study at MSTU. To go and they and his wife abroad on vacation. Of course they could. Only unlikely. Too much time has passed, besides the journalists would have already sniffed and trumpeted.
            1. Sovetikus
              Sovetikus 2 May 2020 09: 24 New
              -1
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              As an option it’s possible. But not in the case of Mishustin. This is where children study at MSTU. To go and they and his wife abroad on vacation. Of course they could. Only unlikely. Too much time has passed, besides the journalists would have already sniffed and trumpeted.

              In principle, it is logical .. I respect Mishustina, a serious man .. I hope to recover and soon!
              1. Range
                Range 3 May 2020 19: 46 New
                0
                And you udo-liberalism minuserit. Looks like you are very guilty before the shobla of podpinnikin and the promised.
            2. awdrgy
              awdrgy 2 May 2020 09: 59 New
              0
              Please note that many "first" persons fall ill. It is also worth noting that the security measures taken by the heads of many states indicate their awareness of this. Well, the conclusion suggests itself. As for outbreaks among ordinary people, this is a factor of destabilization and distraction (their lives in calculation does not go) Someone started a "big game" It is also interesting that some states (their leaders), regardless of the level of development of medicine in them, are much less afraid (or not at all) of this "event" You can also note that these are states which "do not solve anything" on the political map T e the question of the natural origin of rubbish is not actually the question of total destruction (reduction) of the population (at the moment) On the agenda are economic issues (this is obvious) as well as fear That's when everyone is totally scared then there will be an offer that cannot be refused. And if they don’t accept it? -Then a new "coronavirus" will appear and worse than the previous one
          2. flicker
            flicker 3 May 2020 09: 48 New
            0
            Maybe from the driver, maybe from someone from the guard - there would be a person, but there will be a case of infection.
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 2 May 2020 08: 59 New
          +2
          And where did Mishustin "cluster"?

          It seems to me that he was infected through his relatives. what ... amazing ... the second person in the state with its security service and such a puncture ... incomprehensible.
          1. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 2 May 2020 10: 23 New
            -2
            Alekei! It is in view of the various measures called upon "Majesty must protect him from all unnecessary meetings for him," all the same, I personally get the impression that the comrades just arranged a get-together while the boss does not see. Do not forget that Mikhail Vladimirovich is half Armenian - with all that it implies.
        3. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 2 May 2020 09: 06 New
          0
          Alexei! Believing that people get a viral infection in self-isolation is the same thing. what to believe in the spontaneous birth of life - unless of course the extremely exotic version of the virus penetrating through a window or ventilation is excluded. for the virus has no wings. As for finding out exactly how the members of the government managed to get infected, I don’t presume to find out, because I do not enter the ranks. But the options are a damn thing, since people don’t isolate them, they are public, although I would not rule out the possibility of joint gatherings in the evening after cognac, until the boss sees it, people are alive. By the way, the Chinese in a particular province did just that - the result is obvious.
  5. knn54
    knn54 2 May 2020 08: 12 New
    +1
    -Today, the EU countries, Russia and others are doing everything to prevent biological weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists.
    The author "tactfully" did not mention the United States. The PRC apparently belongs to others.
    Here it is necessary to take into account the "indifference" of the Indians. Unlike the Japanese and Chinese.
  6. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 2 May 2020 08: 13 New
    +4
    Been in India. The farther from the center, the more dirt. shit and ... well, complete hygiene in a word - both on the streets, and in people, and on food .. So before adopting experience it would not hurt to learn to wash floors, hands and dishes. At the same time, they will not defecate in the Ganges, but also wash themselves. while brushing your teeth there and going home, from there the same water to cook
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 2 May 2020 08: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      from there to collect water for cooking
      Moreover, downstream, pushing the foot of the late Brahmin. )))
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 2 May 2020 08: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Moreover, downstream, pushing the foot of the late Brahmin. )))

        They burn them, there is no need to slander too much, everything in principle is quite hygienic. Although the fire is certainly not a crematorium.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 2 May 2020 08: 33 New
          0
          Sorry, I'm not an Indian scholar. laughing
          1. Zementbomber
            Zementbomber 2 May 2020 11: 31 New
            0
            Here in the Sunny Hot India - to call Indians and especially - Indians - "Indians" - is strongly not recommend. Physics - can decently suffer. And then the police will also add. And - her batons are wooden - and with knots ... laughing
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 2 May 2020 11: 37 New
              +1
              And even Chingachgukami is impossible ?! What a nuisance!
              1. Zementbomber
                Zementbomber 2 May 2020 11: 49 New
                0
                I don’t know about the Chingachgooks. Neither I nor anyone from my environment tried it. But "indиeggs from indеegg "- distinguished by the sound of even an illiterate beggar" untouchable "far beyond Delhi It's like in the US African-American." Nigra "or" nigger "to call.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 2 May 2020 15: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: Zementbomber
                  But "Indian" from "Indian" is distinguished by sound even by an illiterate beggar
                  But do they distinguish irony from words in all seriousness?
                  1. Zementbomber
                    Zementbomber 2 May 2020 16: 24 New
                    0
                    But in this - much not sure. Apparently that is why - the "pandits" instructed us - "not to experiment." smile
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 3 May 2020 02: 27 New
                      +1
                      Instructions from scratch do not arise. hi
                      1. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 4 May 2020 21: 52 New
                        +1
                        Taki - yes. smile We were not the first to be accompanied by our "sweet couple" from the "post-USSR".
      2. Sovetikus
        Sovetikus 2 May 2020 08: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        from there to collect water for cooking
        Moreover, downstream, pushing the foot of the late Brahmin. )))

        Sure fu damn ... wassat
    2. Volodin
      Volodin 2 May 2020 08: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      At the same time, they will not defecate in the Ganges, but also wash themselves. while brushing your teeth there and going home, from there the same water to cook

      Rumor has it that in this regard the Thames, Spree, the Moscow River are not much cleaner than the Ganges. They also bathe in them, use water for irrigation, maybe someone brushes their teeth ...
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 2 May 2020 08: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Volodin
        Rumor has it that in this regard the Thames, Spree, the Moscow River are not much cleaner than the Ganges. They also bathe in them, use water for irrigation, maybe someone brushes their teeth ...

        Quote: Volodin
        Rumor has it that in this regard the Thames, Spree, the Moscow River are not much cleaner than the Ganges. They also bathe in them, use water for irrigation, maybe someone brushes their teeth ...

        I'm not talking about the cleanliness of the rivers, I'm talking about the unsanitary conditions of the population. But the Ganges is something, the Moscow river looks presentable though outwardly, the Thames and Spree in general outwardly look like a picture. Nov I understand what you mean - yes, in the Moscow river, children are splashing and watering tomatoes from it, but the population of the city does not go there every day to "wash, shave", collecting water on the way back home for drinking and cooking
  7. Conell f
    Conell f 2 May 2020 09: 18 New
    +1
    With all responsibility, I can say that there were such organizations in the Union, only they were called scientific research institutes, possibly for secret purposes, they, in fact, worked out methods of combating various dangerous infections, carefully monitored the epidemiological situation at the borders of the Union, so that experience this division does not occupy because they were scattered throughout the country ..
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 2 May 2020 10: 42 New
    +4
    An Indian expert confuses the built-in biological defense system of the USSR and modern Russia. There is experience, and the construction of such a system has been going on for decades
    At one time, the US Postal Service, developed plans for the delivery of correspondence in a nuclear conflict! And now we see with the example of KOVID 19 how far modern Americans are from those plans of the former America.
  9. Normal ok
    Normal ok 2 May 2020 11: 42 New
    +1
    He recalls that in the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War, biological defense systems were built practically throughout the country.

    One of the components of which is the Odessa Anti-Plague Research Institute. Mechnikov. Founded in the late 19th century with the support of Louis Pasteur. Which all the local conspiracy theorists consider "amer's evil." And, which the Ukrainian authorities are now trying to "optimize". I wonder if it was an American laboratory of biological weapons, would they cut its funding? Firing employees?
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 4 May 2020 22: 01 New
      +1
      Peter - don’t tear the template to age-old children - otherwise they will be in fear and anger ... laughing laughing