Eighteen days of feat. In heaven and on earth

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In 1967, Komsomol social activists of the Azov Optical and Mechanical Plant (AOMZ) organized a teenage youth club "Patriot" in their free time from work. At the grand opening, the Hero of the Soviet Union Alexei Petrovich Maresyev was elected honorary president of the club.

Eighteen days of feat. In heaven and on earthAlexey Petrovich Maresyev was born on May 20, 1916 in the city of Kamyshin. He began his career as a turner at a factory. He studied in absentia at the Moscow Aviation Institute.



In 1934, he participated in the Komsomol construction of an aircraft factory (Komsomolsk-on-Amur), where he also worked in a local flying club.

In 1937 he was called up for military service in aviation border troops of the USSR, in the Pacific border district (Sakhalin island). In 1939 he was sent to the Chita school of military pilots, which was soon transferred to the city of Bataisk, Rostov Region.

Upon completion in 1940, the Bataille Aviation School. A.K. Serova was promoted to junior lieutenant and left as an instructor. In 1941, he was mobilized from Bataysk to the front, to the 296th Fighter Aviation Regiment.

His first sortie took place on August 23, 1941 in the area of ​​the city of Krivoy Rog.

Passed the Southwest and Northwest Front.

In 1942, he was appointed flight commander of the 580th Fighter Aviation Regiment. Particularly distinguished himself and opened his battle account, shooting down 3 enemy aircraft.

April 5, 1942 during the operation "Demyansky Cauldron" (Novgorod region) in an air unequal battle with superior enemy forces, his Yak-1 plane was shot down. Having been injured, the pilot reached his front line, but when trying to make an emergency landing, he fell from a height of 30 meters in a snowy forest.

For eighteen days a pilot with broken legs crawled through the snow through the forests and swamps made his way to his. A. Maresyev, instead of water, ate snow, ate bark, cones and moss, slept in ravines, the bottom of which was lined with spruce, and he hid himself. He was noticed by residents from the village of Plav in the Valdai District, brought by cart to their house, and then sent by plane to a Moscow hospital.

Doctors saved the life of A. Maresyev, but were forced to amputate both legs. In a specialized hospital in the city of Kuibyshev, he was put on prostheses and transferred to the sanatorium named after Chkalova. There he began to stubbornly prepare to return to duty and fly.

At the beginning of 1943 he went through a medical commission and was sent to a flight school, where he made his first test flight after being wounded and got sent to the combat front. In June 1943, on the eve of the Battle of Kursk, he arrived at the 63rd Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment. After several successful sorties, paired with the squadron commander A.M. Chislov, he received well-deserved trust and the ability to go on combat missions.

In an air battle on July 19, 1943, he was shot down by a diving German bomber. The next day, July 20, in a battle with superior enemy forces, Maresyev destroyed two enemy fighters and saved the lives of two Soviet pilots.

Since October 1943, he fought as an assistant commander of the 63rd Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment, then became a navigator in the air rifle service.

The military glory of A. Maresyev spread all over the front. This strong-willed and courageous man was written in the newspapers. His name has already become famous throughout the country. Correspondents often came to the regiment.

In March 1945, A. Maresyev transferred to the post of inspector-pilot in the management of universities of the Main formation and combat training of the Red Army Air Force.

During the war, made 86 sorties, shot down 10 enemy aircraft, three before being wounded, and seven after.

In June 1942, he was awarded the Order of the Red Banner for three downed German aircraft. On August 24, 1943, for saving the life of two pilots and 3 shot down German fighters, he was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union (Golden Star No. 1102).

After the war in peacetime, he went from major to the rank of colonel. In 1946, he went into reserve, took up education, graduated from the Academy of Social Sciences and the Higher Party School. He defended his thesis on stories. In the 1950s, he flew on a training aircraft as an instructor in the Air Force special schools in Moscow.

Constantly supported himself in excellent physical shape, went in for sports: bicycle, skiing, swimming. Set a personal record by crossing the Volga: 2 km 200 m in 55 minutes.

In the postwar period, the example of A. Maresyev was widely used to educate the younger generation. His feat formed the basis of the book by Boris Polevoy "The Tale of a Real Man", which was included in the course of Soviet school literature. According to the book, a film was later made.

In recent years, he worked as executive secretary of the Soviet Committee of War Veterans in the city of Moscow. He was very often invited, organized meetings with young people. Their perfect feat is forever inscribed in the history of our country.

1949 - participant in the First World Congress of Peace Supporters in Paris.

1960 - the book by A. P. Maresyev “On the Kursk Bulge” was published.

1960 - at the Bolshoi Theater, the premiere of the opera "The Tale of a Real Man" by S. S. Prokofiev took place.

1967 - participated in the ceremony of lighting the Eternal Flame at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

1989 - People's Deputy of the USSR.

He was elected an honorary citizen of the cities: Stara Zagora (Bulgaria), Bataysk (Rostov Region), Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Orel.
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  1. +12
    2 May 2020 10: 06
    Some unusual propeller in the photo. More like a helicopter tail rotor. Have you put what was in stock?
    1. +11
      2 May 2020 10: 10
      What does it have to do with it? It's about the Feat and the Real Man ..
      1. +15
        2 May 2020 10: 16
        The feat was. And the real Man until 1996 was also. But this is not a reason to put a hacky monument.
        1. +6
          2 May 2020 10: 30
          Sergey, I agree. On a pinch, one could carve a copy from a tree. But the circles of aircraft models apparently have sunk into oblivion ...
          1. +2
            2 May 2020 11: 22
            Quote: sabakina
            mugs of aircraft models apparently sunk into oblivion ...


            I remember the Donetsk Oblast and its capabilities, when it comes to the situation with drones in the NM (militia) of the DPR ...

            Where EVERYTHING what happened ALL gone request
        2. +3
          2 May 2020 12: 31
          Quote: Aviator_
          The feat was. And the real Man until 1996 was also. But this is not a reason to put a hacky monument.

          What's that? On the posters for Victory Day, what will you not see? German infantrymen, tanks "Tiger"
          1. -4
            2 May 2020 14: 59
            On the posters for Victory Day, what will you not see? German infantrymen, tanks "Tiger"

            Well - this is a completely inevitable consequence of your window dressing.
            There is a long classic article on this topic:
            http://www.globalrus.ru/print_this/780383/
            - more February 2006 ...
        3. +12
          3 May 2020 01: 52
          Quote: Aviator_
          The feat was. And the real Man until 1996 was also. But this is not a reason to put a hacky monument.

          So the article is either like a reprint from the wiki, or a synopsis.
          This article does not reflect all the heroism of what is happening. What can the current student understand from this article, which is also clumsy written,
          the pilot reached to your front line,engaged in education,
          ,
          took up education
          ,
          Passed Southwestern and Northwestern Front.
          . One gets the impression that either the schoolboy also wrote, or the Russian language is not native. They don’t say and do not write like that, they put them on dentures .....
          It is clear that today's children did not play "war" in the yard and did not share "for ours" and "for the Germans," and they hardly watched the film with Kadochnikov, it is better to keep silent about the book.
          But Polevoy's emphasis is on the Feat, namely, Soviet Man, and the scene and dialogue with the commissar impressed me in early childhood and this childhood feeling that the Soviet Man can overcome everything was a reality, because these Soviet people, sung in books and films were our contemporaries!
          Now what? And now the film "bastards" and try it, tell the youth about the heroism and selflessness of the Soviet people ...
          Honestly, all this is sad ...
          1. +2
            3 May 2020 10: 56
            The text is oak, that's right, I did not immediately notice. By the way, the book shows the image of a true commissar who really convinces the main character of the need to achieve his goal, despite a serious wound. Thanks to such commissars, the Victory was won. Well, for today's young people, only compromisers like Grandpa Zu’s, completely discrediting the communist idea, are in front of their eyes.
          2. +2
            3 May 2020 16: 10
            My grandfather, Peter Ivanovich, ran into Maresyev in one of the departmental sanatoriums. We even sat in the same company over a "glass of tea". So, according to the Hero himself, he does not know how to dance - this is already the director's idea and move.)))
    2. -6
      2 May 2020 13: 37
      Listen, well, don't be a riveter! "10 thousand - will fail - 10 million will watch and admire!" (c) (quote from the director of the cult "Crew" - if that)
  2. +11
    2 May 2020 10: 06
    Thank you, reminded of this feat! What willpower, and even it’s not about flying with prostheses, that’s all, and getting out to your own, overcoming fatigue and wild pain, and just deciding to continue living without legs. Great person.
    1. 0
      2 May 2020 10: 33
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Thank you, reminded of this feat! What willpower, and even it’s not about flying with prostheses, that’s all, and getting out to your own, overcoming fatigue and wild pain, and just deciding to continue living without legs. Great person.

      And to download a book for free is not very simple, to see someone has assigned rights to it.
      1. +2
        2 May 2020 11: 42
        Flibusta to help you. Everything is there, well, or almost everything.
      2. Alf
        +1
        2 May 2020 18: 15
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        And to download a book for free is not very simple, to see someone has assigned rights to it.

        https://royallib.com/get/fb2/maresev_aleksey/na_kurskoy_duge.zip
        No problem.
        1. 0
          2 May 2020 21: 02
          Quote: Alf
          https://royallib.com/get/fb2/maresev_aleksey/na_kurskoy_duge.zip
          No problem.

          I downloaded it, but it's unpleasant when Google writes "some results were hidden, at the request of the copyright holders," buy or pay and download please, Liters for example. Who is the copyright holder and by what right appears the copyright holder for the literature of the Soviet period, by what right the same publishing house "Prosveshchenie" removes from the network the Soviet textbooks of the 40s and 50s "Uchpedgiz" and "Enlightenment". So soon, Pushkin and Lermontov will have a copyright holder.
          1. Alf
            +2
            2 May 2020 22: 53
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            So soon, with Pushkin and Lermontov, the copyright holder will appear.

            Well, there was a scandal a couple of years ago when the granddaughter of Mikhail Timofeevich filed a lawsuit against Izhmash demanding to pay her a percentage of each AK issued on the grounds that she was a granddaughter. But the company's lawyers quickly besieged her with one question, but what do you have to do with the immortal creation of Mikhail Timofeevich. And she was blown away.
            1. +1
              5 May 2020 05: 52
              And the heir to the rightholder must have something to do with the "creation", except for a purely genetic relationship to its (creation) creator / rightholder? Oh, darken "here and here" something you, darken ... bully
  3. +8
    2 May 2020 10: 14
    Alexey Petrovich - Man Legend! Do not convey the feelings experienced - after meeting with this Hero in 1989.
    This is an example ... of a Beautiful and Real life, a REAL HUMAN AND A WARRIOR.
  4. 0
    2 May 2020 10: 15
    Heroic man! I survived through this! And then, even at the age of swimming and playing sports!
  5. 0
    2 May 2020 10: 28
    Under current rulers, this is not relevant. It seems like they even removed them from the school curriculum, along with the Young Guard. Now it’s important to study the biographies of EBN, Chubais, Gaidar (not the writer, but his granddaughter), Usmanov, Rotenberg, the works of Novodvorskaya (the earth is glassy to her), and the like. The more I cry from the TV screen, the less sense. Whereas before, the Great Patriotic War was always written completely, now it is the Second World War everywhere, and sometimes in small letters. If even the decisive battles of the Great War do not know. Well, in Europe it’s not better, some already say that Hitler had a name Kaput. But it’s understandable, they’re especially proud of nothing, and I don’t really want to remember how they fought. And we, with our experiments in the field of education, raised a generation of relatives who do not remember.
    1. -1
      2 May 2020 10: 36
      Whereas before, the Great Patriotic War was always written completely, now the Second World War is everywhere, and sometimes in small letters.

      Well nefig whistle toll! I graduated from school in 1987. WWII and VOSR - in droves they wrote and spoke even then.
      1. 0
        3 May 2020 15: 41
        He graduated in 1989. We did not have one. Neglect of the October Revolution was observed, but nothing of the kind was close to the Great Patriotic War. The center may have begun earlier, but it has not yet reached us ... Vladivostok is a city of Nashensky, but far away.
    2. 0
      2 May 2020 11: 40
      Quote: fiberboard
      Gaidar (not a writer, but his granddaughter

      Sorry of course, but this drunk to Golikov is not by any means ...
      1. +9
        3 May 2020 01: 05
        Quote: mat-vey
        Sorry of course, but this drunk to Golikov is not by any means ...

        The son of an adopted son.
        1. +2
          3 May 2020 07: 15
          So he and the daughter were adopted ...
          “And if we bear in mind that Timur Gaidar was born in December 1926, then his young parents conceived him around mid-April.
          But here there is a discrepancy. In April, Arkady was far from Perm. He decided to go for fees from published stories to Central Asia - to Tashkent, Kara-Kum, then through the Caspian to Baku. A journey full of romantic adventures ended with the creation of the story "Riders of the impregnable mountains", which was published in Moscow in 1927.
          According to the testimony of his colleagues, in mid-April he wrote a letter about his first impressions to the Perm editorial office. That is, it turns out that at the moment when Timur was conceived, he was not with Leah. Arkady returned to Perm only in the middle of summer. "
          Arkady Petrovich himself had a double surname - Golikov-Gaidar, but Timur, receiving a passport (and according to some reports, was Solomyansky until he came of age), took only the literary pseudonym of his stepfather as his surname.
          So the adopted son already did not want to have any relation to Golikov ...
    3. +2
      2 May 2020 12: 58
      Hitler's name became Kaput.
    4. 0
      2 May 2020 13: 43
      My cousin nephew lives in Russia with a double RSP. I just wrote that this story is still in your school curriculum. In his "subject of the federation" on the CD. least. And as an elective, true.
  6. +1
    2 May 2020 10: 31
    Oh, there was a time, there were people! HUMANS were! You could even say HUMANS!
    1. -3
      2 May 2020 14: 25
      HUMANS - they are always there, Vyacheslav-sabakina. It's just that sometimes - they (MAN) are called by the Epoch. And sometimes - they remain unclaimed. This is actually well known to psychologists. Only they write about it less sublimely. Namely: "In some situations - the behavior of individuals of the hysterical type - can become Heroic."
  7. 0
    2 May 2020 10: 31
    Nails would be made of these people - there wouldn’t be any stronger nails in the world (c) V. Mayakovsky
    1. +4
      2 May 2020 10: 41
      Nails would be made of these people - there wouldn’t be any stronger nails in the world (c) V. Mayakovsky

      This is Nikolai Tikhonov, not Mayakovsky.
      1. 0
        2 May 2020 11: 14
        Sergey, well, give a discount, we are not all encyclopedias. wink
    2. 0
      2 May 2020 20: 06
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Alexey Petrovich Maresyev

      Iron people, an unshakable generation who survived and won the most difficult war.
  8. +7
    2 May 2020 10: 43
    In fairness - the number of legless pilots - in the Air Force of the Red Army and in the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan of the Navy - was measured, in total, by a two-digit number. And Maresyev - even the first of them was not. One pilot Yak-9 - flew even without one arm (!!) (received a Hero after the collapse of the USSR, ChSH)
    And the first legless pilot in history was here he is:
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/takaya_istoria/beznogii-angliiskii-pilot-sbejal-iz-nemeckogo-konclageria--5a69c1ebf4a0dde70ba3e74d
    - and for the first time I read about it completely not in Yandex.Zen. And in the "TM" Brezhnev times. While still a Red PionEr - to all Little Children an utterly Shitty Example. laughing
    PS Negative !! bully
    1. +6
      2 May 2020 13: 11
      The first legless pilot in Russia - Prokofiev-Seversky, The First World War.
      1. 0
        2 May 2020 13: 22
        In no way denying the outstanding scale of the personality and multifaceted activities of Major Seversky - NNP, he had only one foot amputated. In airplane control, this is a very, very big difference with amputation of both feet. Because in the first case - you still retain the ability to "feel the pedals".
        1. +2
          2 May 2020 13: 59
          In general, for a fighter pilot, that is, an aerobatic pilot, legs play a huge role.
          1. +8
            2 May 2020 14: 34
            My grandfather sapper with almost one arm went through the war - after the wound on my right hand there was practically only a thumb. I retrained on my left hand in the hospital. Before the wound I was a signalman. An injury in the battles for Maly Yaroslavets.
            Moreover, he served in 218 separate mine clearance units - tens of thousands of mines removed ..
            1. +3
              5 May 2020 03: 19
              Quote: mat-vey
              My grandfather, a sapper, with almost one arm, went through the floor of the war - after the wound on my right hand there was practically only a thumb. I retrained on my left hand in the hospital.

              All veterans after injuries, especially severe ones, after amputations of limbs who had the willpower not to break psychologically, restore the body, convince the IHC in the ability to carry out military service, are worthy of respect!
              In 2000, I received a shrapnel wound under my right knee and shell shock. Quickly recovered.
              In 2011, after a knife wound in the right hand for four months he did not move his fingers, two still do not work. It was hard to do everything with one hand.
              So, in the conditions of that time, to stand up after being wounded is heroism.
              1. +1
                5 May 2020 03: 32
                Grandfather in general was unique in his own way - he himself found marsh ore and smelted iron (charcoal also annealed it for himself), he forged all the tools from the ax to the planer-mines ... And all in essence being an invalid of the first group. Disability didn’t make out, as my mother said - yes there are a lot of us in vain to interrupt and distract us after the war ..
          2. -1
            2 May 2020 14: 35
            Of course. But still - one leg or both - well, this is a very big difference.
        2. -1
          3 May 2020 04: 58
          Quote: Zementbomber
          In no way denying the outstanding scale of personality and the multifaceted activities of Major Seversky - NSA, he had only one foot amputated

          But he also had to fly on completely different planes.
          1. +1
            4 May 2020 20: 52
            Until 1939, Seversky was also the chief test pilot of the aircraft building company he headed. This was no longer WWI "whatnot" time, however. And yet - he mastered the Spitfire - the plane is very strict.
            1. -1
              4 May 2020 21: 17
              Quote: Zementbomber
              It was no longer the time of "whatnots"

              So since 1916 he flew with one leg.
              And the prostheses, for sure, were then completely different than decades later ...

              By the time of the October Revolution of 1917, Lieutenant Prokofiev-Seversky was one of the most famous ace pilots in Russia. He flew 1600 hours, participated in 57 air battles, won 13 victories

              And all this with one leg on the "whatnots"
              1. +1
                5 May 2020 04: 34
                Do you really think that piloting fighters of the WWI era was more difficult than fighters of the late 1930s and WWII times ?? belay
                1. 0
                  5 May 2020 07: 02
                  With one leg - of course
                  1. 0
                    5 May 2020 07: 13
                    This is in Memoris! good laughing
                    1. -2
                      5 May 2020 09: 14
                      Obviously, you have nothing to argue with and you agree with me. Fine.

                      PS: "judging by the desperately powerless minus" - I guessed right
                      1. +1
                        6 May 2020 12: 33
                        Well, why nothing? smile - if you have the courage to try to reasonably prove that piloting the Sopwith-Camel was more difficult than the I-16 or MiG-3, I will spend 10-15 minutes without any problems to show the ridiculous absurdity of such arguments. laughing
    2. +2
      2 May 2020 13: 46
      Let's just say this - not just legless ones. If I remember correctly, then 49 people who had injuries that were not compatible with flight practice fought on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War. This is not only amputated limbs, but also spinal injuries, etc.
      Of these, only Maresyev is widely known. Thanks book.
      It should be noted that he received the title of GSS before the book (and not as usual after).
      1. 0
        2 May 2020 14: 33
        Thanks for the statistics. good
        But this is the story about the also legless fighter pilot Zakharov, "A Duel in the Snowy Desert" - I read it with Oktyabrenko (I still have this little book in my library). "Kid" (yes, Karl, "Kid" - not even "Detlit"!), 1977 And I would not say that she was "rare" Rather, on the contrary - about Maresyev for this age - I don't remember. It was already 4th or 5th grade.
    3. Alf
      0
      2 May 2020 18: 17
      Quote: Zementbomber
      PS Negative !!

      But who needs you.
      1. +1
        4 May 2020 20: 58
        But who needs you.

        Judging by the desperate and powerless minuscation of almost all my posts - absolutely regardless of their content and tonality - to many. tongue laughing
        However - if I suddenly left here "in big pluses" - then I would really get a little worried ... laughing
    4. -1
      3 May 2020 04: 55
      Quote: Zementbomber
      there he was

      What are the different characters.
      Our 18 days to my crawl. Aglitsky - he was a good prisoner in captivity, he was wearing the clothes of German aces, he had problems with the command, he designed the delivery of prostheses, he wrote down the fascist doctors from the Luftwaffe to fit prostheses more comfortably ...
      1. +1
        4 May 2020 21: 04
        The war in the air in the Western European theater was simply completely different. Still in the tradition of WWI air war. For her, this attitude was normal. And even in the same North Africa and in the "Air Battle for the Reich" - it was different. Absolutely. Here, it was already quite in the order of things to shoot parachutists in the air and shoot the crew on the spot after landing on enemy territory.
  9. +13
    2 May 2020 10: 47
    For eighteen days, the pilot, with his broken legs crawling through the snow through the forests and swamps, made his way to his own.
    The whole tragedy of the situation turned out to be that he crawled in the wrong direction, sort of in logic, but not in the situation. That is, he crawled towards his territory - to the east, but the configuration of the front line, in that place was such that he crawled to the west, then he would crawl out to the frontline in two days ... It happens. In general, we still had such heroic people at that time, just there was no nearby well-known writer and correspondent .... These are the names of these heroic people who flew and fought after losing their legs or feet ...

    Fighter pilot Belousov Leonid Georgievich,

    Fighter pilot Lyubimov Ivan Stepanovich,

    Pilot bomber Malikov Ilya Antonovich,
    (No photo)
    Fighter pilot Smirnov V.G.,

    Fighter pilot Sorokin Zakhar Artemovich
    1. +3
      2 May 2020 11: 44
      There was no continuous front line on the North-West. There were puff pie areas
      1. +4
        2 May 2020 11: 48
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        There was no solid front line on the Northwest.

        I’ll tell you a little military secret that a solid front line then, and now only on maps is drawn as a kind of abstract line, and so it is created from the line of strong points of units between which there is a lot of relatively empty space ...
        1. +3
          2 May 2020 12: 27
          The Northwest Front had its own specifics: swamps and swamp forests that were not blocked by enemy davits. During the Demian landing operation, the 1st and 2nd MVDBR were introduced into the boiler through such areas.
        2. +1
          2 May 2020 13: 28
          the solid front line then, and now only on maps is drawn as a kind of abstract line, and so it is created from the line of strong points of units between which there is plenty of relatively empty space ...

          In fact - sections (yes extended) with continuous continuous lines of trenches (and quite often - two or even more) - quite to themselves and more than happened in WWII. Including and on the eastern front.
          1. +1
            2 May 2020 13: 43
            Quote: Zementbomber
            In fact - sections (yes extended) with continuous continuous lines of trenches (yes often - two or even more)

            Only in your inflamed fantasies, as there was simply no need for them ... or if you count underground communications of the Maginot line for such
            1. +2
              2 May 2020 13: 47
              Well - the commanders and the front commanders - obviously, can also have "fantasies". And memory aberrations. And even - direct and gross falsifications. But nevertheless - these commanders and front commanders - I believe "a little" more than the unsubstantiated statements of the anonymous author in RuNet ... bully
              1. +1
                2 May 2020 13: 52
                Quote: Zementbomber
                Well - the commanders and the front commanders - obviously, can also have "fantasies".

                That would completely put all the points on the "Y", an example of a statement in the studio, because your words certainly do not have faith ... there are a lot of "lies" and "poison" in them
                Have you ever dug a trench yourself?
                1. +1
                  2 May 2020 14: 14
                  Trench - I’ve never dug it. And even the rifle cell - did not dig. In the jungle - they dug extremely, very rarely at all. Yes, and I had a position - allowing not wield a sapper blade. smile
                  Well, so something - google the memorials of Gorbatov, Konev (they definitely have it). + Rokossovsky (but here I am not sure for sure - I have been rereading the "Soldier's Duty" for a long time). Well and - check out the disposition of the North-Eastern Front on 10.05.40/XNUMX/XNUMX - the classic "frozen line of trenches".
                  1. +1
                    2 May 2020 14: 26
                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    Well and - check out the disposition of the North-Eastern Front on 10.05.40/XNUMX/XNUMX - the classic "frozen trench line"

                    Excuse me, is this the front of whom with whom?
                    1. +1
                      2 May 2020 14: 39
                      Allies against the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS at the start of Operation Gelb. smile
                      1. +1
                        2 May 2020 14: 43
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Allies against the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS at the start of Operation Gelb.

                        I hope you know how to read the map, show a solid line of trenches

                        And this is still a small-scale map, I can imagine, if you take the "two-layout", what disappointments await you ...
                      2. +3
                        2 May 2020 15: 08
                        On the map of the STRATEGIC deployment of groupings of several army groups (fronts in the terminology of the Red Army) in each - a line of front edge trenches in a separate (albeit extended) section ?? Wow !! Are you serious ?? laughing
                  2. +1
                    2 May 2020 14: 33
                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    Well, so something - google the memorials of Gorbatov, Konev (they definitely have it). + Rokossovsky (but here I am not sure for sure - I have been rereading the "Soldier's Duty" for a long time).

                    And also Zhukov, Malinovsky, Batov. etc. etc. ... You just when you read them and you had this opinion, but it is not true.
                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    Trench - I’ve never dug it. And even the rifle cell - did not dig. In the jungle - they dug extremely, very rarely at all. Yes, and I had a position - allowing you not to wield a sapper blade.

                    You see, but you think that there are few such places? Marshes, mountains, and much more ... there is no need to dig continuous trenches and then there was no longer any need. It was already a different war than the PMV
                    1. 0
                      2 May 2020 14: 48
                      You just when you read them and you had this opinion, but it is not true.

                      Ah, I - KANESHNA - I apologize wildly, some arguments that it (my opinion is) - WRONG - can you give? Because the same Leningrad Front, for example, until the end of January 1944, represented at the forefront in general a "continuous UR" - and far from being a "field" type. And more abruptly. And this is known not only from the "memorials".
                      You see, but you think that there are few such places? Marshes, mountains, and much more ... there is no need to dig continuous trenches and then there was no longer any need. It was already a different war than the PMV

                      I know that with the esteemed Moderator - users it is extremely arguable not RecommendedCTSO - but still risk it. laughing Answer, plz, to the question: Do you generally understand the difference between "extended" (kilometers and tens of kilometers) and "continuous on the scale of the front" (hundreds of kilometers) ??
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                        2 May 2020 15: 10
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        "continuous SD" - and far from the "field" type. And more abruptly. And this is known not only from the "memorials".

                        UR is always created in the form of an "archipelago" of field fortifications and bunkers ..., but again it does not have continuous trenches along its entire length. It is enough to take a map or diagram of any SD
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        I know that it is highly not recommended to argue with the respected Moderator - users

                        Many knowledge - many troubles ... And in your case, also "woe from wits", do not break the rules and what problems, even to the point of hoarseness in sports.
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Do you generally understand the difference between "extended" (kilometers and tens of kilometers) and "continuous on the scale of the front" (hundreds of kilometers) ??

                        I understand perfectly. But you don't seem to. We tried to refer to the allies, but I gave you a map where there is no "frozen trench line", but there is a classic defense built on strongpoints of platoons, companies, battalions
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                        2 May 2020 15: 48
                        UR is always created in the form of an "archipelago" of field fortifications and bunkers ..., but again it does not have continuous trenches along its entire length. It is enough to take a map or diagram of any SD

                        You forgot to add - "Soviet pre-war UR". They are yes - they were really built on the principle of "BRO + field filling ensembles". But the War - made its own (and very significant) adjustments. Field URs of the fronts of 1942 and subsequent years. - were already completely differently organized and built.
                        We tried to refer to the allies, but I gave you a map where there is no "frozen trench line", but there is a classic defense built on strongpoints of platoons, companies, battalions

                        Of course, I wildly apologize - but on the map you quoted - not formations of less than division ... hi Moreover, these compounds are designated in the areas of deployment, and not directly at the positions ...
            2. +4
              2 May 2020 14: 09
              Almost the entire defensive line of Leningrad was continuous. The city was surrounded by trenches. The Rzhev-Vyazemsky defensive line, almost all the way to Ostashkov, is full of trenches, pillboxes, anti-tank ditches along the entire left bank of the Volga.
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                2 May 2020 14: 18
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Almost the entire defensive line of Leningrad was continuous.

                Sorry, the solid line of defense does not mean continuous trenches ... they just do not make sense and our great-grandfathers were not so stupid and wasteful to dig them, as they already had enough work in fortifying equipment. The stronghold of the unit simply cut through the trenches like a human body with blood veins.
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                along the entire left bank of the Volga there are trenches, bunkers, anti-tank ditches.

                That’s what the ditch could be long, I believe that, because using civilian labor they tried to dig as much as possible, often even to the detriment, as happened on the very Kursk Bulge. But trenches, such that from the beginning to the end of the entire front edge, did not dig along the entire front line. Too expensive and has no sense, due to the features of the same area
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                  2 May 2020 14: 53
                  a solid line of defense does not imply continuous trenches ... they simply do not make sense and our great-grandfathers were not so stupid and wasteful to dig them, as they already had enough work in fortifying equipment.

                  Yes, it does not automatically imply. This is yes. But - quite even admits. "Meaning" depends excl. from tactful. setting. The density of forces and means on the site, for example.
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                    2 May 2020 15: 02
                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    Density of forces and assets on the site for example.

                    For this, digging continuous trenches from edge to edge is not necessary. A line is being created that allows maneuvering his troops for delivering both counterattacks and the strikes themselves. Yes, and there is no need to keep troops in some areas, so as not to turn them into targets. The main principle of defense, the creation of a harmonious fire system and engineering barriers.
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                      2 May 2020 15: 16
                      The main principle of defense, the creation of a harmonious fire system and engineering barriers.

                      Which - all of a sudden! laughing - implemented by various methods. From the creation of platoon strongholds, the intervals between which are covered only by long-range machine-gun fire, and to the creation of a continuous fortified strip with ten trenches in depth, and two-strip concrete structures.
          2. -1
            3 May 2020 05: 18
            Quote: Zementbomber
            solid continuous lines

            In the case of the Earth and the trench, this should be a cross section of the ellipsoid (in the necessary approximation) by the surface and it should definitely be closed.
    2. +4
      2 May 2020 12: 42
      There were more than 10 such pilots who lost limbs and returned to duty. And two more: Prokofiev-Seversky and Lieutenant Gilscher flew with prostheses to the First World War.
    3. -6
      2 May 2020 15: 45
      Quote: svp67
      That is, he crawled towards his territory - to the east, but the configuration of the front line, in that place was such that he crawled to the west, then he would crawl to the front line in two ...

      the fall site was in our rear and the front line, he did not cross, he crawled along the Lutetsk swamp. stretching from west to east, where on the east the shore was found.

      his GSS friend tarred the U-2 and drove it to Moscow. where they saved him.

      his plane was dismantled and taken out for spare parts.

      https://histrf.ru/biblioteka/b/kak-na-samom-dielie-vyzhil-mariesiev
    4. +8
      2 May 2020 18: 15
      Fighter pilot Sorokin Zakhar Artemovich
      ,,, generally a striking case. It’s not clear what our films are made about. No need to invent anything, a finished plot.

      October 25 1941, the pilot of the 72 th mixed aviation regiment of the Northern Fleet Air Force Zakhar Sorokin made an air ram to the wounded, landed in the tundra, destroyed two German pilots with a dog, and then 6 made his way to his own days, breaking the 70 km. Having froze his legs and having lost both feet, he nevertheless returned to his regiment and continued to destroy the Germans.
      Zakhar Sorokin shot down 18 airplanes, of which 12 - on prostheses. soldier
  10. +1
    2 May 2020 11: 01
    I read a book about this Great Man in childhood. An indelible impression made on my whole
    a life. By the way, I was in the school curriculum. And now ... no. He gave this book to his children, read, see what kind of people lived in our country ...
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      2 May 2020 11: 24
      Alexander, after reading the book, what were their impressions?
      1. +1
        2 May 2020 11: 26
        Not like mine. Some of them (children now) are different, not at all like us at one time. Read it all. But there is no fire in the eyes.
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          2 May 2020 11: 29
          Alexander, you probably won’t be surprised, but I expected this answer. Maybe they should show the movie better? Books were good when there was no tyrnet ...
          1. +1
            2 May 2020 11: 34
            Yes, books, in principle, are read by many, but modern and more often foreign writers.
            We just perceived the information more vividly, believed, lived it. And the modern generation does not believe. He just "eats" information and that's it.
            1. -1
              2 May 2020 11: 43
              Yes, Alexander, for them it’s just information and nothing more ...
        2. +1
          2 May 2020 14: 01
          Some of them (children now) are different, not at all like us at one time. Read it all. But there is no fire in the eyes.

          Yes, they have "fire in their eyes." Today's small ones - they are more "visual", more critical, more cynical and smarter than we are in the end - but there is still "fire". Not everyone. Not all of them. Well, this "fire" - and in our years - really was far, far from all. And so - for example, in the battalion in which my current secretary fought in the South-East in 2014 - almost every tenth did not even have 18 in the passport then. And these guys and girls did not go to war for the "Mine-Read romance". And fully realizing that it is dirt, sweat ,. blood, dullness of command, etc. "delights". And the separatists and "their" volunteers - it was exactly the same.
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            2 May 2020 17: 53
            Zementbomber (Sergey)
            Do you know what is the difference between you and the LPNR? These people defend their home, their land. And you need "living space". In the same way as the Nazis.
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              4 May 2020 21: 15
              I will not enter into comments on the article about the exploits of those Soviet pilots, who, according to all concepts, even of that harsh time, were entitled to disability and honor, retired with awards and a good pension - and not to continue serving in the cockpit of a fighter. I will just note that you probably consider the Republic of Tyva an integral part of your Fatherland - even if you were born and live in Murmansk or Smolensk. And if the "people of Tuva" - decides to proclaim independence with the support of Mongolia and mainland China - either you yourself will go to fight against, or you will help counteract this by all available means.
              Something like this ...
  11. 0
    2 May 2020 11: 17
    Look, my question is off topic, does anyone know the data on how many millions of tons of munitions were used up in the Second World War by country
    1. +3
      2 May 2020 13: 18
      A lot of. Lots of. Unrealistic a lot. He was at a search job on the Nevsky Piglet and near Rzhev. There the earth rings on a metal detector, it is packed with iron.
      1. 0
        2 May 2020 20: 32
        As well as on the Nevsky Piglet. In the 60s, search squads sifted a meter of land. Found 10 kg of metal. And this is clearly not the limit.
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          5 August 2020 14: 49
          We dug with Summakul's son, not for profit, but for the sake of interest. The coil screams in your ears continuously! The earth around the pillboxes is simply stuffed with fragments of different calibers and very bizarre shapes! The field is the same. And this is not the most difficult positioning of the Second World War. In addition, grenade shirts, casings, cartridges, empty and full clips, horse harness parts, shovels, thorns, metal stakes, flasks, pots, mugs, PPM, min 82mm tails. And it's even scary to think about Nevsky or Rzhev!
    2. +1
      5 May 2020 04: 43
      Look, my question is off topic, does anyone know the data on how many millions of tons of munitions were used up in the Second World War by country

      By country - not interested. The total consumption by the Armed Forces (without rifle cartridges and hand and - probably - rifle grenades) - is estimated, EMNIS, at ~ 8 million tons.
  12. +2
    2 May 2020 11: 47
    I reread the book countless times. It really is about a Real Man.
  13. 0
    2 May 2020 12: 25
    young people learn from the examples of the older generation ... who is now an example ... Kirkorov ... cord ...
    1. +4
      2 May 2020 12: 53
      So young people need to be taught, not to let education go by its own accord.
  14. +3
    2 May 2020 13: 37
    Yes. The feat of such people is amazing. AP Maresyev is not alone. In 2003, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, Lieutenant General of Artillery Vasily Stepanovich Petrov, died. The only person in the world who fought without both hands. He was seriously wounded while repelling a tank attack. Already without arms, in 1945, he commanded an anti-tank regiment. After the war, he wrote the book "The Past Is With Us."
    1. +2
      3 May 2020 00: 44
      Pavel Hudz cut off his hand with a knife when a shell hit the tank in battle near the Dnieper, the hand was crushed, and comrades urgently needed help.
      He continued to fight with a prosthesis.

      He is a participant in the parade on November 7, 1941.
  15. 0
    2 May 2020 16: 51
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    A lot of. Lots of. Unrealistic a lot. He was at a search job on the Nevsky Piglet and near Rzhev. There the earth rings on a metal detector, it is packed with iron.

    Yes, I understand that, but would I have any data, read about it somehow, do you have it?
    1. +2
      2 May 2020 17: 24
      About exploration work or military operations?
  16. 0
    2 May 2020 20: 16
    The story of a real man left an indelible vivid impression of the pilot and his struggle for life and for the country. He caught himself thinking that he represented very vividly, as if he was watching a movie in his head or even was nearby.
    In general, I very vividly imagine reading books.
    And I repeat - the Iron Generation ... We can’t make it so modern.
  17. 0
    3 May 2020 00: 38
    . In the post-war period, the example of A. Maresyev was widely used to educate the younger generation.

    When I was at school, we corresponded with Alexei Petrovich, we have a pioneer squad bore his name.
    By the way, in those days his surname was usually sounded in the version of Polevoy-Meresyev.
  18. 0
    5 May 2020 11: 06
    Quote: Zementbomber
    Look, my question is off topic, does anyone know the data on how many millions of tons of munitions were used up in the Second World War by country

    By country - not interested. The total consumption by the Armed Forces (without rifle cartridges and hand and - probably - rifle grenades) - is estimated, EMNIS, at ~ 8 million tons.

    hmm, in this article https://vpk-news.ru/articles/7856 completely different data, much more than 8 million
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