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Soviet paradise. Archive: 6457 patients refused hospitalization

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One of the institutions in the Penza region, where denunciations are kept in abundance


Meanwhile, a hermit in a dark cell
Here the terrible denunciation writes to you:
And you will not leave the court of the world,
How not to get away from God's judgment.
A.S. Pushkin. Boris Godunov


History and documents. Materials this cycle They aroused great interest in the reading public of VO, because, although the site gathered a lot of experts on everything and everything, they do not have access to the archives, especially the archives of the OK CPSU, and rely only on their own memory and what “the men said in smoking room. " And when it comes to the achievements of the Soviet era, for some reason everyone remembers free medicine, but no one talks about its quality. “Freebie, come” - this is how my students usually “mantled” before exams, that is, for our readers at the appropriate age, the main thing is that it should be free, and how it doesn’t matter. A person’s memory is imperfect, with age it tends to keep only the good, and the bad - to forget. So some readers of VO write that there were no epidemics in the USSR, that everyone (absolutely everyone!) Received emergency medical care, there were no drug addicts, and so on and so forth. But archival documents do not have mercy for the past. Notes, receipts, reports, reports are piling up in the archives, in a word there are a lot of things that allow a different look at the past. And since the readers of VO so loved the topic of free medicine in the USSR (which is understandable in the current epidemic), I went to the regional party archive of OFOPO GAPO and randomly took the 1963 document. It is called so: “Information on the status and measures to improve medical services in the cities and working villages of the region (Appendix to paragraph 17, etc. 7. Minutes of the meeting of the Bureau of the CPSU OK from 14.01 to 16.03.1963. F. 5893. Opt. 1 Unit 12. The Penza Industrial Regional Committee of the CPSU. Special Sector).

And then ... Further, it is hardly worth retelling this curious document, it is easier to rewrite it one to one. So, we read.

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“From year to year the network of medical institutions is growing in the region. There are 27 hospitals with 3145 beds, 3 outpatient clinics, 3 dispensaries, 3 ambulance stations, 117 health centers at industrial enterprises, 16 feldsher-obstetric centers, 32 nurseries for 2210 beds, 2 children's homes for 160 beds and one children's sanatorium with 50 places ...
Over the past two years, a surgical hospital with 100 beds, a clinic at the city hospital No. 1, and a blood transfusion station have been built in Penza. A hospital with 150 beds was built in the city of Kuznetsk.

N. Lomovskaya, Serdobskaya hospitals, a maternity hospital in the city of Kuznetsk, a hospital in the village of Belinskselmash, a building with 25 beds in the city of Belinsk, an oncology clinic, a hospital in the village of Chemodanovka are being built. In the city of Penza, the construction of a city hospital with 240 beds in the South Glade region has begun.

A total of 1427 doctors work in the region, of which 964 are doctors in cities and workers' settlements.

Most hospitals in the cities are provided with the latest equipment and instruments, the quality of patient care, and diagnostics have improved. The incidence of diphtheria, poliomyelitis, and gastrointestinal infections has markedly decreased.

However, despite the achievements, there are serious shortcomings in the work of the medical institutions of the city and workers' settlements.

The allocated allocations for the construction of medical institutions are not being developed from year to year. In 1961, out of 340 thousand rubles. 305 thousand rubles, or 87 percent, were disbursed, and in 1962, out of 400, only 251,9 thousand rubles, or 62,9 percent. Started construction does not end for years, funds are sprayed. The construction of N. Lomovskaya, Serdobskaya, Kamenskaya hospitals, which have been under construction for eight or more years, was unacceptably delayed.

Unplanned and ill-considered regional health department carries out repair and reconstruction of existing institutions. For the second year, the city hospital №3 is undergoing major repairs in Penza.

In the cities of the region, instead of 5.600 hospital beds, there are 3.145, and therefore hospital admissions are denied. So, in 1962 city and regional hospitals refused to hospitalize 6.457 patients, 4.471 of them due to lack of places.

Due to the fact that the regional neuropsychiatric hospital is designed for 1000 beds, and there are 1.300 patients in it, every day 300 patients sleep on the floor.

An acute shortage is felt in the cities in the nursery. Instead of 5000 places there are 2210. Currently, there are 7 thousand children who need to be identified in a nursery. Great need for child care facilities is available at the watchmaking, CAM, compressor, Penzmash, Penzkhimmash and other workers' factories.

There are 3700 women working in the regional communications department, but there are no childcare facilities here. In the trading organizations of the city of Penza there is a need for nurseries and kindergartens for 600 children.

The seven-year plan for the development of the national economy in the cities of Penza and Kuznetsk provides for the opening of five pharmacies in newly built residential buildings. However, not a single pharmacy has been opened in recent years.

In extremely difficult conditions, the central pharmacy warehouse operates, which is located in unsuitable rooms. Due to the lack of storage facilities, expensive equipment is stored in the yard.

Along with the elimination of a number of diseases in the region, the growth of tuberculosis patients is of serious concern: while in 1960 those who died from tuberculosis accounted for 4,5 percent of all deaths in the region, then in 1962 - 4,71 percent. In total, there are 8 thousand patients with tuberculosis in the region, 2400 of whom are bacillary. If in the city of Penza, as of 1 / 1.62, 1759 patients with tuberculosis were registered, of which 596 were bacillary, then by 1 / 1.63 there were 2028 registered, of which 456 were bacilli, with 359 children.

Cancer prevention and treatment are poorly placed. Their number in the region is increasing. In 1962, 1824 cancer patients were again registered. In total, there are 5159 such patients in the region. Hospital beds for such patients are not enough, and the building of the oncological clinic is being built for the sixth year.

So far, such a social disease as sexually transmitted diseases has not been eliminated, of which 919 people are ill (of which urban - 699).

The percentage of injuries is high. In 1962, 60 thousand injuries were recorded in the region, of which 16 thousand were registered in the city of Penza alone.

In some hospitals, even the regional center there is an overshoot of patients.

Major shortcomings exist in the medical care of children. In kindergartens and kindergartens there is a large crowding, which causes an increased incidence. In 1962, compared with 1961, child mortality remains at the same level - 3,4 (in cities and towns of the region). The highest infant mortality rates are observed in the cities of Penza - 3,6, Kuznetsk - 3, 7, Kamenka - 3,6 (with a regional average of 2,9).

There are dairy kitchens for children only in 8 cities. In Penza, the dairy kitchen, due to the distance, cannot serve all children in need of food.

Working people are not adequately provided with outpatient care. Many hospitals, clinics and first-aid posts are poorly equipped with modern medical equipment, instruments, soft and hard equipment.

Instead of 1392 doctors, only 964 work in the cities of the region. 428 doctors are lacking. In two years, 303 doctors arrived in the region, of which 150 doctors arrived in the city, and 214 left the region, and 110 doctors from the city.

The regional health department was dismissed for abuse of official position by the doctor of the oncological dispensary, Comrade Davydkin, and the chief physician of the regional psychoneurological hospital, Comrade Ivaykov. Almost all employees of the regional health department work part-time and receive one and a half rates. Medical ethics is violated.

In 1962, a group of drug addicts was identified in the city of Penza (I can’t stop myself from “!” - Auth.), Which was facilitated by the former inspector of the regional health department Soskov and the doctor of the city hospital No. 3 Nefedova.

In January 1963, at the Penza Infectious Disease Hospital, Banina's nurse mistakenly introduced penicillin to another instead of one child, after which the child died instantly.

Pharmacies often lack the most popular medicines (for headaches, aspirin, vitamins, glucose, ammonia, etc.). There are no thermometers, syringes. While checking in the pharmacy No. 3 of the city of Penza, out of 688 prescriptions submitted from the population, 171 were refused, i.e. 25 percent.

Very poor medical care in factories. For example, at the SAM factory, where there is an equipped health center with a gynecological office, in 1962 a gynecologist carried out a reception only 16 times instead of the 50 prescribed. Since March 1961 there was no appointment with an ophthalmologist, and from May 1960 there was no appointment with a surgeon and otolaryngologist.

Clinical examination is carried out formally, its effectiveness is not studied, patients are not hospitalized in a timely manner. In 1962, due to temporary disability, 2,5 million working days were lost, which is equivalent to the fact that during the whole year 8 thousand workers did not work due to illness. Disability benefits paid for 1962 were 7 million 649 thousand rubles. In some cases, the incidence of temporary disability is artificially high. This can be found in the hospital number 1 of the city of Penza, N. Lomovskaya, Serdobsky hospitals.

From year to year, the sanitary condition of cities and workers' villages remains unsatisfactory. The streets are littered with snow, littered with paper, butts. Yards of houses are not cleaned.

Penza City Executive Committee in 1961-1962 He made a number of decisions on improving the sanitary condition in the city, but they are carried out extremely unsatisfactorily, since the city executive committee is not dealing with this issue every day, but campaigning.

Serious shortcomings in the work of medical institutions are evidenced by both letters and statements by workers. In total, in 1962, the regional health department received 817 complaints and proposals, of which 88, that is, 10,7 percent, were examined with violations of the established deadlines. ”

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There was still more there, but I'm tired of typing it all. And without that, such "paradise" opened up that even though you run there in a time machine and enjoy all these delights of free medicine!

One would like to say: good regretted to the Soviet paradise, where everything was for the good of man!

He was already closing the folder when the eye habitually snatched out another report on the marriage at work. The Bureau of the OK CPSU reported (the same document, p. 322) that at the Penza diesel plant a complaint is received for every sixth diesel engine released, but the situation cannot be rectified!
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Archival affairs. From “class alien” to “loss of party intuition”
Back to USSR. Mosaic of memory
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    1. kalibr
      3 May 2020 06: 18
      -24%
      You can write whatever you want. Before you is an official document reflecting the realities of that life. All data are given in the text. I didn't invent it. So it was and there was no getting away from it. Are you satisfied with the position of the ostrich? Well, let the head not be visible, the ass is sticking out anyway. And by the way, this is the legacy of the "collective farm" - visible rudeness. A little something wrong - immediately "surname", immediately "crap", mental retardation ... All this you demonstrate only the low level of culture of a typical "scoop". That is, old age has silvered you only on the outside, but what was inside did not turn you into silver.
      1. Donald72
        Donald72 3 May 2020 06: 24
        -19%
        Hold on! An hour will not pass if you are either an Israeli agent or, more likely, an inveterate Bandera. It is so customary here.
        1. kalibr
          3 May 2020 06: 30
          -19%
          Quote: Donald72
          Hold on! An hour will not pass if you are either an Israeli agent or, more likely, an inveterate Bandera. It is so customary here.

          If you’ve been at VO since 2014, then you can remember how many intelligence agents I’ve already visited, as well as a Vlasov, Bandera ... State Department agent. Do not get used to it!
          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 10: 51
              -20%
              Red fish sold in mining villages? Were bananas available for sale? Ham? Hard cheeses? It is unlikely. And not all villages were miners. In our village in the shops it was a ball of Katya, even a blue chicken could not be bought. Do you want meat sausages or other goodies - go ahead, take the train: 5 hours to St. Petersburg or 8 to Moscow. Sausage trains that just appeared? And of the manufactured goods, it was very sparse for us to buy something more decent again in St. Petersburg or Moscow, and if you are lucky, you can buy something there. Such was your soviet paradise.
              1. Alexander Suvorov
                Alexander Suvorov 3 May 2020 11: 00
                +43
                AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                Red fish sold in mining villages? Were bananas available for sale? Ham? Hard cheeses? It is unlikely.

                There may not have been any bananas, but there were still ham, cheeses and red fish. Miners were provided in the first category.
                And of the manufactured goods, it was very sparse for us to buy something more decent again in St. Petersburg or Moscow, and if you are lucky, you can buy something there. Such was your soviet paradise.
                But in your capitalist "paradise" everything is ... laughing But there is no money, no work, no villages, no miners, no medicine, otherwise yes, it’s a complete paradise. I mean, quiet as in paradise or in a cemetery, which is closer to the truth.

                P.S. And yet, the fish was red, not dyed, the milk was surprisingly from cow's milk, and not from coconut oil, like ice cream, the sausage was made from meat. But there really was no banana, and as soon as people lived, I won’t know ... laughing
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 11: 18
                  -25%
                  But isn’t that the energy industry switching to gas and coal in such quantities is no longer needed? Previously, a third of the coal mined went to locomotive traction. Will we return the locomotives? Sausage now has soy, deshmans and meat, but more expensive, can you really make a choice of several dozen varieties? This also applies to cheese, fish and ice cream. The miners, perhaps, were provided, as well as the inhabitants of Moscow, but the Non-Chernozem Region did not run very far away. Thank you native party!
                  1. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 3 May 2020 11: 31
                    +37
                    AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                    But isn’t that the energy industry switching to gas and coal in such quantities is no longer needed?
                    Not really needed? Did they all switch to gas? Only now I somehow see the opposite picture, coal is not needed, not because it is not needed, but not needed because the enterprises are closing. And we only pull gas abroad, in the outback it was not there, and it is not, and most likely it will never be under this power. The number of operating enterprises is steadily declining. For all the years of post-Soviet Russia, we have not built ANYONE, but dozens have ceased to exist. Thousands of people have lost their jobs and are forced to go to Moscow on shifts. Here it is your crap capitalist "paradise", so that you all bent along with your paradise.
                    Sausage now has soy, deshmans and meat, but more expensive, can you really make a choice of several dozen varieties?
                    Who will choose? Miners without money and without work or pensioners with a beggarly pension, who in pharmacies recount the last pennies before the cash register?

                    Shove your arguments, where did you get it from, well, you understand where ... negative
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 12: 01
                      -22%
                      Well, suppose that in St. Petersburg there was not a single thermal power station on coal, everything was on gas, everyone was transferred from solid fuel. If these notorious factories produced something worthwhile, not inferior in price / quality to foreign analogues, then they would not have closed, and, alas, the products are not in demand and the bankrupt plant. The laws of the economy have not been canceled. You still cry that with motorization the cabmen were left without work, too, there were byad-byad. Utesov even had a song about it. Progress is being made, and neither the draftsmen in the design bureau, nor the navigator in civil aviation, are no longer needed. How old coal volumes are not needed.
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 12: 35
                        +26
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        If these notorious factories produced something worthwhile, not inferior in price / quality to foreign analogues, then they would not have closed, and so, alas,

                        The impression is that you are raving. Can you remember that for example about 40 percent of the civil aviation market belonged to the USSR? And how many machines were sold then? And now? And the products of the chemical industry? The factories were closed because the ruling clique wanted to pocket all these plants, in any form, at least in the form of trade pavilions, or cottage villages. I don’t understand why for all the time you want the USSR, are you a beneficiary of the collapse of the USSR? Or do you get any benefit from writing such nonsense? After all, a normal person cannot write a deliberate lie.
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 12: 49
                        -15%
                        If not for the colossal financial injections and the subsequent transfer of Renault, AvtoVAZ would also have rested in a Bose. The reason: no one needs the buckets with nuts - the people have a choice. GA was not so simple either, which is why airlines preferred to buy A and B, instead of Tu and Il. From what? And more economical. More cost effective. The fuel consumption of foreign cars is less, they are also on the ground, less than domestic ones. Like truckers, foreign cars were preferred to MAZ and KAMAZ for a reason because of fashion. They are more convenient, they carry more, faster and eat less. More reliable. And tell me, on what Soviet main tractor was the air conditioner? Refrigerator? Heater? Which car do you choose for work? And yes - I am a beneficiary, no doubt: I have the opportunity to choose. An opportunity not to stand with an outstretched hand and wait for it to be allocated, but simply to take and purchase, here and now.
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 13: 09
                        +16
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        If not for the colossal financial injections and the subsequent transfer of Renault, AvtoVAZ would also have rested in a Bose. The reason: no one needs the buckets with nuts - the people have a choice.

                        Do you think that transferring domestic plants to foreigners is good? In my opinion, the reason is in the thieving officials and in the same thieving factory management.
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        GA was not so simple either, which is why airlines preferred to buy A and B, instead of Tu and Il. From what? And more economical. More cost effective.

                        Soviet planes were cheaper, as far as efficiency, then at that time the figures were comparable. The reason is still the same, thieves.
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        And tell me, on what Soviet main tractor was the air conditioner? Refrigerator? Heater?

                        And you would compare the prices for imported trucks and for domestic ones, and then you would consider what is more profitable for the national economy of the USSR. And the automotive industry was never a strong point of the USSR, but it had its own, there were jobs, etc. For example, one workplace at a VAZ "pulled" seven workplaces from subcontractors.
                      4. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 26
                        -16%
                        The transfer of AvtoVAZ Renault is wonderful. They finally began to produce normal cars, no worse than foreign cars of the same price category. Soviet aircraft were at the world level in the 60s, then we fell behind. Both for engines and avionics.
                        In the auto industry, it is better to produce 1 reliable, convenient for the driver, car, expensive, which will always be in operation, than 2 cheap, uncomfortable cars, one of which will be under repair, but it was so. They knew how to make nuclear and space stations, the products of the defense industry were excellent, and civilian, in particular consumer goods, was at the garbage level. A disgrace.
                      5. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 15: 34
                        +12
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Renault AvtoVAZ transfer is wonderful

                        Can we sell Roscosmos, KRET, Rosatom? What else can you sell gentlemen liberals?
                      6. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 15: 59
                        -11%
                        And nobody says anything about Roskosmos with Rosatom and the defense industry, their products are world-class, and therefore they did not fall apart. They are competitive. And what we ourselves do not know how to do is best conveyed to those who do it professionally.
                      7. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 16: 33
                        +14
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        And what we ourselves do not know how to do is best conveyed to those who do it professionally.

                        I’m wondering, the USSR didn’t at first professionally know how to make rockets, neither ships, nor tractors, probably it was necessary to sell plants to foreigners right away, stupid people, probably? The Chinese, their motor-blocks and this hour are worse than the Japanese, the auto industry is worse than the European one, the electronics sucks not so long ago, they don’t sell enterprises, they don’t ruin them, aren't they stupid people?
                      8. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 16: 42
                        -16%
                        Shipbuilding, quite good for itself, we inherited from the Russian Empire: Baltzavod, Admiralty Shipyards. But the Chinese fellows, no doubt: have learned to make products no worse than European? Who prevented the Soviet Union from catching up and overtaking capstranes in terms of product quality. Not in quantity, but in variety and quality. Now try to fix this legacy. Difficult, very difficult.
                      9. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 16: 58
                        +17
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Shipbuilding, quite good for itself, we inherited from the Russian Empire: Baltzavod, Admiralty Shipyards. But the Chinese fellows, no doubt: have learned to make products no worse than European? Who prevented the Soviet Union from catching up and overtaking capstranes in terms of product quality. Not in quantity, but in variety and quality. Now try to fix this legacy. Difficult, very difficult.

                        I have already heard this, "all the good things have remained from tsarist times," teach history, not from modern school textbooks. In terms of "product quality", the USSR did a lot of products much better than in the West. And the Soviet Union was hindered by national traitors, formed from the party nomenklatura, who are still at the helm, who privatized and sold everything that was allowed and what was not, and whom, by the way, you are always protecting and whitewashing.
                      10. ser56
                        ser56 3 May 2020 21: 27
                        -10%
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        did much better than in the west.

                        do not tell more specifically? hi
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        And the national traitors formed from the party nomenclature prevented the Soviet Union,

                        So the USSR created these party nominee-payers request And since they didn’t really know how to do something, they turned the richest country into a slaughterhouse that bought grain and frozen meat abroad request
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        "all good things have remained from tsarist times," teach history, not according to modern school textbooks.

                        go to any city and see - the most beautiful houses built under tsarism ... request
                      11. Stas157
                        Stas157 4 May 2020 07: 18
                        +6
                        Why do we need Solzhenitsyn, we have Shpakovsky on the site!

                        There are people about whom they say - they will find dirt everywhere. So our "fellow" found some kind of documentary with flaws, and now extrapolates to the entire Soviet reality. They say you don’t remember everything and don’t know, but I’m a documentary for you!

                        The "works" of this "author" do not bear anything but bewilderment.
                      12. kalibr
                        4 May 2020 07: 29
                        -10%
                        So there are a lot of them, such documents. So much so that you are no longer surprised at why the 91st happened. No, but with regard to ballet, we were always ahead of everyone!
                      13. Stas157
                        Stas157 4 May 2020 08: 43
                        +4
                        Quote: kalibr
                        So there are a lot of them, such documents.

                        There are a lot of documentaries. But someone is only looking for worse. If you consider overall situation - According to the UN, the standard of living in the USSR was in 11th place (and now what?). So do not spit on the past, Vecheslav.

                        Quote: kalibr
                        So much so that you are no longer surprised at why the 91st happened.

                        Why are you doing this? Did the people want a collapse? Was there a revolution and civil war? People were happy with everything, and the rotten elites betrayed the USSR.
                      14. kalibr
                        4 May 2020 18: 25
                        -8
                        Quote: Stas157
                        and the USSR was betrayed by rotten elites.

                        And the people kept silently eating ... but now ... everything is for ...
                      15. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 10 May 2020 15: 30
                        +1
                        kalibr "And the people kept silently eating ... but now ... everything is for .."
                        Well, people, how do you put it, and now everything’s doing it.))) But I’m wondering if you have paradise right now in your city?))) In medicine?)))
                      16. kalibr
                        10 May 2020 15: 32
                        -1
                        Quote: Nagaibak
                        But I’m wondering if you have paradise right now in your city?))) In medicine?

                        I am personally 80% satisfied.
                      17. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 10 May 2020 15: 42
                        0
                        The fact that you are satisfied is understandable.))) Compared to 60 years, have you been satisfied?))) Do not tell me how many new hospitals in your city were built after the fall of the USSR? And how many hospitals in your area have been closed over these years of paradise? Maybe it made sense to compare the quantity and level of medicine since at least the year 90?))) Why didn’t you give data for any year 1925? And with our time would be compared. Why be shy?))) In the 60s, people still went to tunics in some places for well-known reasons. 15 years have passed since the war.
              2. Akuzenka
                Akuzenka 16 July 2020 16: 57
                0
                Well, yes, there are documents, no doubt. But about the current time will be judged by the absence of such documents. And since there are no such documents, then under capitalism all these problems have been resolved !!!!! Paradise is built in Russia! Good luck in building such a paradise. Let him overtake you and trample on you.
  2. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 14 June 2020 10: 10
    0
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    A disgrace.

    You and Shpakovsky are like two marabou birds. strictly fulfill your mission. You are simply not meant for more.
  3. Simargl
    Simargl 4 May 2020 07: 37
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Do you think that transferring domestic plants to foreigners is good?
    It very badly! However, technological stagnation and quality below the skirting board is even worse.

    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    In my opinion, the reason is in the thieving officials and in the same thieving factory management.
    Read about the plant on Lurka - there are up to 40% of "dead souls", there was a time, "worked". "Effective menаgeras "also do not always bring profit.

    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Soviet planes were cheaper, as far as efficiency, then at that time the figures were comparable.
    At the time of creation - yes, comparable. However, they began to lose very quickly in terms of noise, fuel efficiency, and comfort.

    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    The reason is still the same, thieves.
    No. This is an effective management of the leadership of a country in which "people are already eating" ... and then the borders were opened ...
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And you would compare the prices of imported trucks and domestic, and then you would consider that it is more profitable for the national economy of the USSR.
    Those. on people (workers) - do not care? But this is labor productivity, accidents, injuries (occupational diseases). No-e-e-e ... if "socialism" - he is - nafig he is needed!

    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And automotive industry was never a strong point of the USSR
    This is not an excuse!
  4. Tatyana
    Tatyana 3 May 2020 13: 00
    +19
    Shpakovsky thinks metaphysically, not dialectically. Namely.
    The author took a document from 1963 at random from the regional party archives of OPOPO GAPO and quotes it. They say, the Russians, pushing for the Soviet regime, enjoy the archival truth about "free" medicine in the Penza region of 1961-1963!

    Why say metaphysically?
    - Yes, because application of the principle of determinism (i.e., the principle of causation in the dietetic-materialistic method) in the arguments of the historian Shpakovsky is completely absent. The author sees only that which metaphysically lies on the surface and does not want to look dialectically inside the cause and effect of the research he cited.
    - Moreover, and historical principle of diamat in the arguments of the author also missing. Well, he compared medicine in 1963 during the Soviet era in the Penza region with medicine in 2020 as a fragment of the USSR — the Russian Federation — and not really! And then what?

    Meanwhile, philosophical methods are algorithms of thinking, as in mathematics. Wrong "counted" - wrong, not reliable answer and you will receive.
    And there are many philosophical methods in history, but not all of them are scientific and therefore not all lead to reliable conclusions.

    So, what is Shpakovsky’s mistake!
    1. Historically, in the scientific plan, it is not entirely correct to associate the data of medical services in 1963 in the Penza Region with medical services under capitalism in the Russian Federation since 2020. 57 years have passed !!!
    2. In 1963, only 18 years passed in the USSR after the Second World War!
    3. A decomposition of the party apparatus began with the advent of N. S. Khrushchev after the death of Stalin in 1953. After all, Khrushchev abolished the criminal responsibility of the party leadership for not fulfilling plans!

    I wonder how a professional historian can ignore such things, essentially pouring mud on the Soviet socialist system and blocking modern capitalism. The author forgot what modern capitalism in the Russian Federation was based on in the 1990s!
  5. kalibr
    4 May 2020 07: 31
    -5
    Quote: Tatiana
    metaphysically lies on the surface and does not want to dialectically look inside the cause and effect of the research he cited

    And the fig? Those who come here, and this is quite enough. They would never have seen such documents ... And so - another document of the era introduced into mass information circulation!
  6. Tatyana
    Tatyana 4 May 2020 10: 53
    +6
    Quote: kalibr
    And the fig? Those who come here, and this is quite enough. They would never have seen such documents ... And so - another document of the era introduced into mass information circulation!

    The document you put into circulation with elements of political provocation on your part against our country, against the Soviet period, against the restoration of our country from ruin after the Second World War. But I considered you an honest scientist, an objective historian! I was mistaken in you.

    You might not write about diamat, not emphasize it as a method of thinking, but you, as a historian, are simply obliged to think methodologically, scientifically and competently, and not engage in outright political manipulation and powdering the brains of the Russian population and foreign readers of "VO"!

    And the readers (no matter what they were by education) of your articles, you, as an author, must still be respected. For these are our people - the citizens of our country.
    But arrogance is always a bad adviser when it comes to professionalism.
  7. Buxloff
    Buxloff 4 May 2020 10: 59
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    You introduced with elements of political provocation against our country, against the Soviet period, against the restoration of our country after the Second World War. And I considered you an honest scientist, an objective historian. I was mistaken in you.

    Tatiana thinks the same thing, as it is disgusting to read all this .. God is his judge! hi
  8. kalibr
    4 May 2020 18: 23
    -2
    Quote: Tatiana
    I was mistaken in you.
    I’m crying from a disorder of feelings ...
    to foreign readers of "VO"!
    But let them see what our party archives are hiding!
    And the readers (no matter what they were by education) of your articles, you, as an author, must still be respected.

    And I "all the same" just respect. I answer here, you see ...
  9. mmaxx
    mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 09
    0
    A document is a document. It is a fact. And that’s all.
  10. sniperino
    sniperino 3 May 2020 16: 05
    -2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And how many machines were sold then? And now? And the products of the chemical industry?
    How, I remember, was the case
    Everyone behind us in steel production
    We overtook all in iron foundry
    But in an intimate way, don’t say
    We are all sorry, not up to par.

    "To each according to his needs." These are the needs of the bourgeois masses and flooded into the 90s. Where did these masses come from ...
  11. ser56
    ser56 3 May 2020 21: 22
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And how many machines were sold then? And now

    Do you know the quality of those machines? for example turning? with not polished gears? and hammered bolts at the famous Tbilisi factory ... hi The modern center will be replaced by 20-30 such machines ... request
  12. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 21: 35
    +7
    Quote: ser56
    Do you know the quality of those machines? for example turning? with not polished gears? and bolts hammered with a sledgehammer at the famous Tbilisi plant ... hi The modern center will be replaced by 20-30 such machines ...

    Imagine, I’ve been working since 1990, and until the death of the Armavir Electrotechnical Plant, the instrumentation and adjustment engineer just repaired turning and surface grinding, and circular grinding machines. I haven’t seen any bolts clogged with a sledgehammer, try to hammer the bolt with a sledgehammer yourself in a car, I will see what you can do.
  13. ser56
    ser56 3 May 2020 21: 48
    -3
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    hammer a bolt with a sledgehammer in a car, I'll see what you get.

    break a fool? on the bed and in the tin of a car? bully
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    just repaired turning and flat grinding, and circular grinding machines.

    came across products
    Quote: ser56
    Tbilisi plant.
    ?
    I’m not talking about the Communist Party or Izhevsk ... hi
  14. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 22: 34
    +4
    Quote: ser56
    break a fool? on the bed and in the tin of a car?

    The bolt bends usually, if you hammer it, the technical expert from you is so-so. Bolts with a persistent thread are usually put in the frame, think before you write.
  15. ser56
    ser56 3 May 2020 23: 19
    -2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    The bolt bends normally, if you hammer it,

    so you don’t even know how to hit straight? bully did you hold the chisel in your hands?
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    technical expert of you so-so

    Seriously ? I will punish, see below ... bully
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Bolts with a persistent thread are usually put in the frame, think before you write.

    but the bolts can be set not red-hot, so you play the clowning ... request
  • ser56
    ser56 3 May 2020 21: 19
    -3
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    For all the years of post-Soviet Russia, we have not built ANYTHING

    where is it with us? hi
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 3 May 2020 22: 15
      +3
      Quote: ser56
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      For all the years of post-Soviet Russia, we have not built ANYTHING

      where is it with us? hi



      He has his own world. Through the looking glass.
  • Boris Razor
    Boris Razor 4 May 2020 13: 56
    -2
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    But isn’t that the energy industry switching to gas and coal in such quantities is no longer needed?

    Even the Germans, with a firm hand, protect their coal industry from attacks by all kinds of greens. Throughout the world, coal generation today plays either a leading or simply an important role. Do you offer us to close the mines? Ahead of the planet, huh?
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 11
      0
      There is no longer any coal in Germany. No need to tell tales.
  • your1970
    your1970 3 May 2020 20: 39
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    from cow’s milk, not coconut oil,
    - I’m embarrassed to ask, - where did the herds from in your mining region come from? Did you graze on the dumps?
    Our creameries drove milk powder day and night-- and then you diluted it with water there and raised the fat content including ... yes, yes, the very palm !!!
    Then you drank the "real" cow's milk .....

    And about gas which is like "current is being pulled abroad" - over the past 15 years, twice (!!!!!!!) more settlements have been gasified - than in the entire post-war history of the USSR ...

    And the factories ... everything was also fun with them ... Who remembers "Colchis"? This pepelats in the organizations was dragged on a tie out of sight into the backyards closer to the scrap metal - because it was impossible to bring it to mind.
    And combines ... officially according to the factory passport, they lost up to 10% of grain, but in reality more ..
    Zil157- the devils that were released for how many years without a power steering (although he was and it was put)
    Cooling faucet VAZ 2101-40 years old let out the car but couldn’t make it so it didn’t turn sour.
    Can anyone explain why in the USSR the Tyumen black battery lasted for a year and a half, and in the 90s the same Tyumen batteries worked 3, and they really worked !!!!
    Cassette recorders almost all chewed cassettes, even new ones.
    Color TVs of the 1st generation weighed like a cast-iron bridge, cost similarly, and even showed with a lilac shade ...
    And so all the products of the USSR ...

    Z.Y. the oligarchs don’t pay me, I don’t have Gazprom shares, I just don’t like the praise of what really wasn’t there. In the USSR there were very few goods that were at least in minimum demand, 200-300 items, not more.

    ZYZY the author had to attach at least a couple of scans of pages, so that tantrums with shouts of "Liar !!" less was
    1. ser56
      ser56 3 May 2020 21: 31
      0
      Quote: your1970
      1st generation color televisions

      and repaired once a month ... and weighed 60 kg request
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 May 2020 02: 57
        +1
        Quote: ser56
        and repaired once a month ... and weighed 60 kg

        The Gorizont TV, bought in the mid-80s, has been repaired exactly 9 time in 1 years of operation. The second time the master was called when the UHF unit was connected to it. So don't la-la. And reduce the weight by a third.
        1. your1970
          your1970 4 May 2020 08: 25
          +2
          TV Horizon was 2 (!!!) Generations, less fun, but did not climb out of the repair
        2. ser56
          ser56 4 May 2020 21: 43
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And reduce the weight by a third.

          I'm talking about Rubin's parents ... dragged with his father from 4 floors request
      2. brat07
        brat07 5 May 2020 02: 44
        +1
        Quote: ser56
        Quote: your1970
        1st generation color televisions

        and repaired once a month ... and weighed 60 kg request

        Well, at the expense of 60kg., You "bent" a little.
        He weighed about 30kg. Although, only the supply transformer weighed not weakly. bully
        1. ser56
          ser56 5 May 2020 14: 57
          0
          Quote: brat07
          Well, at the expense of 60kg., You "bent" a little.

          Seriously ? read https://pikabu.ru/story/sovetskie_tsvetnyie_televizoryi_marki_rubin_skan_kataloga_4614586
          I do not expect apologies for the slander request but I will be pleasantly surprised repeat
        2. brat07
          brat07 5 May 2020 20: 27
          0
          I take my words back. hi
          Then he was young and weighing 60kg. seemed at 30. yes
        3. ser56
          ser56 5 May 2020 20: 39
          0
          Quote: brat07
          Then was young

          I was young myself, but it was hard and uncomfortable to carry ... drinks
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 6 May 2020 21: 28
    +2
    And these TVs burned only on the way. TV sets were incendiary. And the boots "Skorokhod" are armor-piercing.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 May 2020 02: 48
    0
    Quote: your1970
    Cassette recorders almost all chewed cassettes, even new ones.

    Gee, about cassette mafons I can answer exactly 99%. They all chewed. And the Japanese chewed no worse, or even better than ours. They gave me in the late 80s for the time National Panasonic, chewed better than my Electronics. And recently drove Technics, 96th year. All four rollers chew the film around the edges. I adjusted the video from the Soviet Elegia of the 87th year of release, at least one pocket began to work normally by half.
    1. ser56
      ser56 4 May 2020 21: 44
      +1
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      They all chewed.

      I have Lighthouse 203 - I didn’t notice ... request as an amplifier was Vega -109 with speakers - it worked ...
    2. brat07
      brat07 5 May 2020 03: 42
      0
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Quote: your1970
      Cassette recorders almost all chewed cassettes, even new ones.

      Gee, about cassette mafons I can answer exactly 99%. They all chewed. And the Japanese chewed no worse, or even better than ours. They gave me in the late 80s for the time National Panasonic, chewed better than my Electronics. And recently drove Technics, 96th year. All four rollers chew the film around the edges. I adjusted the video from the Soviet Elegia of the 87th year of release, at least one pocket began to work normally by half.

      Sharp and Telefunken did not chew on me, although in those days I used TDK and AGFA cassettes. And yes, we always had problems with the LPM mechanism. If you take cassettes from Tasma or from Svema, then I always chose Svema.
      My first tape recorder on cassettes was "Spring - 202".
      Very not a bad device.
      Not so often chewed tape.
      And my first reel-to-reel apparatus was "Mayak - 203".
      Moody, but it could be brought to mind.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 May 2020 07: 41
        -1
        Quote: brat07
        Sharp and Telefunken didn't chew on me,

        Everyone chews. It depends not only on the tape recorder, but also on the tapes. Personally, I still use them.
  • kalibr
    4 May 2020 07: 35
    -1
    There were articles entirely from scans ... Do you think there were less tantrums? More!!!
  • ser56
    ser56 3 May 2020 21: 18
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    There may not have been any bananas, but there were still ham, cheeses and red fish. Miners were provided in the first category.

    precisely because of these years the workers were shot in Novocherkassk? hi The author simply showed how people lived!
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 3 May 2020 22: 19
      +1
      Quote: ser56
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      There may not have been any bananas, but there were still ham, cheeses and red fish. Miners were provided in the first category.

      precisely because of these years the workers were shot in Novocherkassk? hi The author simply showed how people lived!


      Shot for red fish? Man, you’re obviously not all at home. I am not a psychiatrist. Maybe it's worth signing up to a specialist?
      1. ser56
        ser56 3 May 2020 23: 16
        +2
        Quote: sergo1914
        Shot for red fish? Man, you’re obviously not all at home. I am not a psychiatrist. Maybe it's worth signing up to a specialist?

        1) shot for demanding a good life! hi
        2) Think about yourself bully
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 3 May 2020 23: 26
          -3
          Quote: ser56
          Quote: sergo1914
          Shot for red fish? Man, you’re obviously not all at home. I am not a psychiatrist. Maybe it's worth signing up to a specialist?

          1) shot for demanding a good life! hi
          2) Think about yourself bully


          I think so. I read such comments, and I want to believe that I am a fool. But no. Everything is different.
        2. ser56
          ser56 4 May 2020 21: 41
          0
          Quote: sergo1914
          and I want to believe that I am a fool. But no.

          alas, accept this ... request
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 May 2020 03: 05
      -1
      Quote: sergo1914
      Shot for red fish?

      They shot him when, after the Khrushchev monetary reform, the ruble collapsed 2,5 times, and the workers went on strike. I wonder what they’ll do now if there is a default, and the people will also trample on the square?
      1. your1970
        your1970 4 May 2020 22: 10
        +4
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        They shot him when, after the Khrushchev monetary reform, the ruble collapsed 2,5 times, and the workers went on strike.
        at first they sank for the 1947 reform, then the 1961 reform ...
        In the state Desktop class workers went out to express their will - and theirs?
  • helvetic
    helvetic 3 May 2020 15: 48
    +2
    Red fish, caviar, and bananas were also sold. For example, on the river. Pyramid (Svalbard). As in the Barentsburg mine of the same archipelago. I know this well, I worked with documents there. And under the Russian Federation, the Pyramid was closed in March 1998, and Burg was almost starved to death.
  • victor50
    victor50 3 May 2020 15: 56
    +1
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    Red fish sold in mining villages? Were bananas available for sale? Ham? Hard cheeses? It is unlikely.

    Have you ever wondered how such an idea of ​​happiness and paradise differs from the dreams of pigs? I believe the limit of hers is a complete trough! And you? request
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 6 May 2020 21: 31
      +2
      You won’t be full of ideas, they have zero calories. In abundance there is nothing shameful.
  • Dali
    Dali 6 May 2020 21: 17
    0
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    Red fish sold in mining villages? Were bananas available for sale? Ham? Hard cheeses?
    That was exactly what happened ... relatives of the miners from near Perm ...
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 05
    0
    I can’t even believe that there can be so many minuses. Now I understand who ate my meat under socialism - 69 kg / person per year. These are the minusers.
    We only had meat in the canteens. And for wild money in the market. When they entered the coupons (in the early 80's) everyone breathed a sigh of relief. There was an opportunity to buy their 800 gr. cooked sausages for a month and 400 gr. sandwich butter.
    And then everyone wonders why the USSR collapsed so easily.
    Just someone ate from the belly and thought that during decay it would be even better to eat. But others didn’t care. Because they are tired of enduring promises. And they saw that somewhere else they were eating when you only had worries, what to eat tonight.
    Minus one. Just answer: why didn’t you go to fight for your USSR? In 17-18, a bunch of people went for their Russia, and all the patriots of the USSR put only cons in 2020.
    After all, there were people at that time. But who followed them?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 May 2020 08: 13
      0
      Quote: mmaxx
      We only had meat in the canteens. And for wild money in the market. When they entered the coupons (in the early 80's) everyone breathed a sigh of relief. There was an opportunity to buy their 800 gr. cooked sausages for a month and 400 gr. sandwich butter.

      Where do you have it?
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 52
        0
        Irkutsk The city is regional. Never been subsidized.
        All my childhood I remember the wild queues for soup kits. Those who had pensioners in the family sometimes had them. Then I fed my dogs with such "meat", when in the 90s it became possible to buy normal meat. And somewhere in 76-77-78, everything went to hell. People just gathered for the opening of grocery stores, maybe they will bring something. But again, grandmothers. Who else? The rest were at work.
        Nobody worked for us in trade, in the party, aviation, army, etc., etc., etc. There was no access to rations and kits.
        I remember the Soviet sausage or some dumplings with horror. This can’t be eaten at all. At least under normal conditions. Only by hunger.
        And now - 800 gr. boiled sausage and 400 gr. oil per month per person. Buy yourself and enjoy your health. According to vaunted GOSTs, that sausage contained 8-10% of meat. And the butter has already become a sandwich. Then they explained to everyone that the addition of vegetable oils is very good for health. And there was no other.
        And fried on what? Combine and vegetable fat.
        I must say that oil in Gorbachev's times appeared on the market. Sandwich.
        Yes, stick-trees !!! What are you rubbing me here !! Most planted and harvested potatoes. So she was 3 months a year. Then to buy was good luck. And strew mixed with rot. But 10 cents. With what joy were communists allowed to plant potatoes and start cottages? Yes, so that the people at least somehow fed themselves. Onion,%:;:% No.;:%; *? there should be obscene, stored under the cabinets scattered. Because it is not known when you will buy another time.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 9 May 2020 09: 20
          0
          I do not know how it was in Irkutsk in the early 80's, but about this:

          Quote: mmaxx
          According to vaunted GOSTs, that sausage contained 8-10% of meat.

          Nonsense you are shameful.
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx 9 May 2020 09: 31
            -1
            As usual, there are no arguments - we turn to the individual. I would like to personally look into the eyes and ask for a lie. Where were you in the 91st? on the barricades?
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 9 May 2020 09: 47
            +1
            Quote: mmaxx
            Where were you in the 91st? on the barricades?

            There were barricades in Moscow, and we have Swan Lake by the box.
            Quote: mmaxx
            Well, you don’t know how it was, so don’t be surprised why the USSR isn’t

            Was there a barricade in Irkutsk? GKChP introduced troops into the city? Really didn’t know. But for life in my city I can describe in detail since the beginning of the 80s, I do not suffer from sclerosis.
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 9 May 2020 09: 32
          0
          Well, you don’t know how it was, so don’t be surprised why the USSR isn’t
        3. mmaxx
          mmaxx 9 May 2020 10: 03
          0
          Here you have GOST 23670-79. Read and rejoice. I may have written something in numbers, but I still remember how everything worked. And I also remember how they loved Soviet Power. For all her merits in the past, the 70s and 80s, she lost completely. This despite the fact that the average person could not compare with anything.
          But I still remember six months of articles in Literaturnaya Gazeta about how cats do not eat sausage. The name of the newspaper should not be misleading. In the USSR, ALL PRESS was party. And without the knowledge of the party, no article would ever come out, let alone a series. Well, maybe one would have come out. But then no. Even the then leadership got fed up with this sausage question.
          I am not a cat. He ate what they gave. Since then, I usually eat meat. Well, or the most expensive sausage.
          Here's another link for you. Just in case. With what is written personally, I agree. I do not see anything abusive there. https://von-hoffmann.livejournal.com/308316.html. Pay attention to the people in line. These are exactly how it was. No juggling. Although the photos are color and maybe they belong to a later time. Or maybe the photographer had access to the GDR film. For his money, he would not take such a shot. Maybe he was a foreigner.
          No need to fool yourself. It was bad, it was good. And now there is bad and good. And in the USA and in Germany, and in Israel, anywhere. Need to work.
        4. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 9 May 2020 11: 11
          0
          Quote: mmaxx
          Here you have GOST 23670-79. Read and rejoice. I may have written something in numbers, but I still remember how everything worked.

          I studied these GOSTs a long time ago, and compared with modern ones. So disgrace further, the miracle of Irkutsk.
        5. mmaxx
          mmaxx 9 May 2020 11: 33
          0
          Well, so ponastalgiruyte. Remember the unforgettable taste. Sausages. Cry, what it is now, capitalist. Not in accordance with GOST. You can still chew GOST. The taste will remind.
          The miracle is apparently Mordovian.
        6. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 9 May 2020 11: 38
          0
          Quote: mmaxx
          Remember the unforgettable taste. Sausages.

          And I remember him, unlike you.
          Quote: mmaxx
          Not in accordance with GOST.

          This so-called "sausage", cats refuse to eat. Adireverchi, pinocchio.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 5 July 2020 19: 11
    0
    Quote: mmaxx
    After all, there were people at that time. But who followed them?

    People wanted to live like in the West. The misfortune of the USSR leadership that they did not allow free trade. Create a company, buy over the hill and sell. Everyone is happy. The same cars could be brought in hundreds of thousands
  • Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 10 May 2020 15: 27
    0
    AS Ivanov: "Was red fish on sale in the mining villages? Were bananas on the free market? Ham? Hard cheeses?"
    It will appear that they appeared, but how many can afford them?)))) That is the question.)))
  • kalibr
    3 May 2020 17: 20
    -4
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    Mr. Pseudo-historian and professional LIAR are typed against you in more than one counterclaim.

    Well, the epidemic will end in court and meet. It will be fun. And now you are swaggering. I'll see what you say when you have to pay ...
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 3 May 2020 17: 47
      +7
      kalibr (Vyacheslav)
      Well, the epidemic will end in court and meet. It will be fun.
      This is true and it will be really funny. What reason do you present to the court? Mr. not respected liar, you are still mediocrity and ignorant in addition, since you do not know elementary norms. What accusation are you going to bring me?
      I'll see what you say when you have to pay ...
      Are you sure that I will have to pay? Or maybe you have to fork out?
      1. ser56
        ser56 3 May 2020 21: 35
        -5
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        What accusation are you going to bring me?

        commonplace!
        Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

        Defamation, i.e. the dissemination of knowingly false information, discrediting the honor and dignity of another person or undermining his reputation

        shall be punished with a fine of up to five hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to six months, or compulsory work for up to one hundred and sixty hours.

        Slander contained in a public statement, a publicly displayed work or the media

        shall be punished by a fine of up to one million rubles or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to one year, or by compulsory labor for a period of up to two hundred and forty hours.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 May 2020 03: 14
          -1
          Quote: ser56
          commonplace!
          Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

          Defamation, that is, the dissemination of knowingly false information,

          You first find the exact statistics on the repair of TVs, where they are "repaired once a month", and then speak.
          1. ser56
            ser56 4 May 2020 21: 50
            -1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            You first find the exact statistics on the repair of TVs, where they are "repaired once a month", and then speak.

            1) I'm not an artist to perform, so filter the bazaar ... request
            2) I won’t tell you about all the TVs - but after the repair Rubin had a 3-month guarantee - never the TV could stand it bully And they were tormented until their parents bought a Korean Gold one hundred request Then they presented Electronics Ts 432 to my wedding - the same system broke down every 1-2 months, but the power supply only flew, I spat and put together a 12V plug-in - the TV worked with it less hi I note that I remember well the television station clogged with repair TVs, but after all they brought them there for serious repairs ... And now they simply do not exist bully
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 May 2020 07: 36
              -1
              Quote: ser56
              the same system broke once every 1-2 months, but only the power supply flew

              My TV Youth never broke down at all. While the kinescope did not sit to such an extent that the ball was not visible, he looked, then he gave it ..
            2. ser56
              ser56 5 May 2020 15: 00
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              I have a TV Youth

              as far as I remember, Youth was b / w, passed his scheme in the standings ... repeat
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 May 2020 17: 15
              0
              Quote: ser56
              as far as I remember, Youth was b / w, passed his scheme in the standings ...

              I had color.
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 9 May 2020 10: 09
          0
          What's this??? Are there any admirers of the reliability of Soviet color TVs in the world ??? Someone lucky! Or was there one TV in life?
        3. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 5 July 2020 19: 22
          0
          Quote: ser56
          And now they simply are not

          There is a service center. In general, the LCD breaks less often, there are other voltages and the elemental base. Although my Philips 2 years ago broke down after XNUMX years, after repair, this studio has been working successfully to this day
      2. brat07
        brat07 5 May 2020 04: 21
        0
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: ser56
        commonplace!
        Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

        Defamation, that is, the dissemination of knowingly false information,

        You first find the exact statistics on the repair of TVs, where they are "repaired once a month", and then speak.

        Repaired.
        True "on their own" and more than once.
        TV "Horizon", however, it was in Belarus, demagnetized the kinescope three times.
        For the fourth time I decided to dispose of it. Something like that.
        Then I bought Goldstar.
        It still works, but it’s not with me, but with friends in the country.
        1. ser56
          ser56 5 May 2020 15: 01
          +1
          Quote: brat07
          True "on their own" and more than once.

          there are printed circuit boards on a getinax, copper was removed when soldering ... I had to throw wires ... request
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 56
          0
          And I have a friend. In his youth, he studied at the telemaster. So they were taught where to do it so that the equipment would break faster. to work was.
        3. brat07
          brat07 10 May 2020 21: 28
          0
          Quote: mmaxx
          And I have a friend. In his youth, he studied at the telemaster. So they were taught where to do it so that the equipment would break faster. to work was.

          I didn’t study to be a TV master, but I never did such "things"!
  • ser56
    ser56 3 May 2020 21: 32
    -4
    Quote: kalibr
    It will be fun

    alas, no ... afraid ... bully
  • ser56
    ser56 3 May 2020 21: 16
    -3
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    Can you bring the facts of modern realities of life in Russia?

    let's! we wait! For example, we compare infant mortality and tuberculosis incidence hi
    1. ser56
      ser56 4 May 2020 21: 51
      0
      and, of course, the fighter for the USSR disappeared ... bully
      1. Dali
        Dali 6 May 2020 22: 09
        +1
        Quote: ser56

        and, of course, the fighter for the USSR disappeared ...

        And you are a fighter for what? belay
        1. ser56
          ser56 7 May 2020 14: 41
          0
          Quote: Dali
          And you are a fighter for what?

          for a normal and well-fed life in Russia request
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 3 May 2020 12: 37
    +10
    Quote: kalibr
    You can write anything.

    I am very sorry, but you initially misinterpreted the meaning of the document.
    As far as I understand, and this is obvious from the document, the Penza Regional Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union points to shortcomings in the work of state structures on the ground, I emphasize once again INDICATES DISADVANTAGES!
    And with specific numbers! The second part of the protocol is most likely about measures and organizational results, which the author "modestly" is silent about.
    And now let's turn to today's day, which the president and others like us are talking about, about the percentage of interest in the common crap for plebs.
    And if we turn to the numbers for medicine today, we’ll be horrified!
    I consider it useful from the point of view of comparing the work of the state apparatus in the USSR and now.
    Comparison will clearly not be in favor of Putinism !!!
    1. ser56
      ser56 3 May 2020 21: 37
      0
      Quote: Malyuta
      I emphasize once again INDICATES ON DISADVANTAGES

      exactly!
      Quote: Malyuta
      The second part of the protocol is most likely about measures and organizational conclusions, about which the author "modestly" is silent.

      see text, it goes on for years .. request
      Quote: Malyuta
      And if we turn to the numbers for medicine today, we’ll be horrified!

      waiting for your details! hi
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 3 May 2020 22: 24
      +6
      Quote: Malyuta
      Quote: kalibr
      You can write anything.

      I am very sorry, but you initially misinterpreted the meaning of the document.
      As far as I understand, and this is obvious from the document, the Penza Regional Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union points to shortcomings in the work of state structures on the ground, I emphasize once again INDICATES DISADVANTAGES!
      And with specific numbers! The second part of the protocol is most likely about measures and organizational results, which the author "modestly" is silent about.
      And now let's turn to today's day, which the president and others like us are talking about, about the percentage of interest in the common crap for plebs.
      And if we turn to the numbers for medicine today, we’ll be horrified!
      I consider it useful from the point of view of comparing the work of the state apparatus in the USSR and now.
      Comparison will clearly not be in favor of Putinism !!!


      Throwing beads before Shpakovsky - do not respect yourself. He does not perceive sound thoughts. Generally. The CPSU has raped him for decades in the brain. Never mind. There a serious diagnosis is drawn.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 3 May 2020 22: 40
        +11
        Quote: sergo1914
        Throwing beads before Shpakovsky - do not respect yourself. He does not perceive sound thoughts. Generally. The CPSU has raped him for decades in the brain. Never mind. There a serious diagnosis is drawn

        Greetings, Kamrad! drinks Sorry to break in, but Shpakovsky is something belay he can snatch such a game that it becomes really scary for him. A couple or three years ago, we were "cut" with him. and you know (sorry for the "you"), there are no compelling arguments, but he gave out what it was, like, and I'm now a teacher at the university, and under the USSR I read, if I remember correctly, scientific communism, something like that, and in fact sooner of all was a member.
        And now he has articles ala "nostalgia for the USSR", but he will definitely throw some poop in the direction of Soviet power.
        In general, he is still a "doer". wassat
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 3 May 2020 23: 22
          +6
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: sergo1914
          Throwing beads before Shpakovsky - do not respect yourself. He does not perceive sound thoughts. Generally. The CPSU has raped him for decades in the brain. Never mind. There a serious diagnosis is drawn

          Greetings, Kamrad! drinks Sorry to break in, but Shpakovsky is something belay he can snatch such a game that it becomes really scary for him. A couple or three years ago, we were "cut" with him. and you know (sorry for the "you"), there are no compelling arguments, but he gave out what it was, like, and I'm now a teacher at the university, and under the USSR I read, if I remember correctly, scientific communism, something like that, and in fact sooner of all was a member.
          And now he has articles ala "nostalgia for the USSR", but he will definitely throw some poop in the direction of Soviet power.
          In general, he is still a "doer". wassat


          I agree. Here we have monster led scientific communism. Dad of TV presenter Ekaterina Andreeva. I answered the Juche exam. He was cruelly screwed up for Trotskyism. But the guy is interesting. I was lucky with the teachers. Forgive me, God didn’t do this.
        2. kalibr
          4 May 2020 07: 41
          -4
          Your memory, "private airborne forces", is full of holes ....
    3. kalibr
      4 May 2020 07: 39
      +2
      Quote: Malyuta
      The second part of the protocol is most likely about measures and organizational conclusions, about which the author "modestly" is silent.

      There is a link there. No guessing. You can order a copy and see what is really there ...
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 4 May 2020 08: 55
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        No guessing.

        Good afternoon! hi The point is not completely what documents can be found in the archives, the point is how they can be interpreted.
        In this case, the title of the article can be translated into Russian as follows: "The Soviet government refused to provide medical assistance to a huge number of patients."
        I remember how articles appeared during "perestroika" with an anti-Soviet interpretation of the exploits of Matrosov, Kosmodemyanskaya, Gastello ..., then "Children of the Arbat", "the gulag archipelago", "short lights", "views", posners "," bloody " Stalin, incompetent commanders, "Stalin's plan for an attack on Germany, the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact, Katyn," Repentance "and vmshenka, there is no sex in the USSR.
        Colleague, this is all information and military propaganda.
        You yourself gave a link to how this type of war was born. yes
        1. kalibr
          4 May 2020 18: 18
          +2
          Quote: Malyuta
          "The Soviet government refused to provide medical care to a huge number of patients."

          Wasn’t that so? Reread the document again. And 300 loonies were sleeping on the floor in a mental hospital or because of the lack of beds, that is, places.
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 59
          0
          Newspaper articles are not sources. A source is a document. Moreover, it should be marked twice. Outgoing - Incoming. Then the document is a document and it can be considered, and newspaper tales are a narrative source. No more. Type of someone's impressions. For exploring the spirit of the era is suitable.
    4. mmaxx
      mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 17
      0
      With all the shortcomings, medicine is better now and this is a fact.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 3 May 2020 12: 53
    +7
    Quote: kalibr

    If you’ve been at VO since 2014, then you can remember how many intelligence agents I’ve already visited, as well as a Vlasov, Bandera ... State Department agent. Do not get used to it!

    Thank you for the article! In Israel and Germany he was engaged in medical tourism for citizens of the countries of the former USSR. He talked with Russian-speaking doctors who had Soviet experience.
    I bring the dialogue from memory.
    O.G. (Head of the Department of Oncological Hematology of one of Tel Aviv medical centers, a graduate of the medical faculty of one of the universities of the Ukrainian SSR)
    I. In the Union, they say, medicine was at the level of
    OG: Who is speaking?
    Me: People ...
    OG: Listen to them more ... Soviet ideology is a man of the system. Cardiology, cardiac surgery, orthopedics even less ... a person could be returned to work, to the system ... traumatology is not bad ... oncology is an abandoned area. No one needs a broken screw. Psychiatry generally sucks.
    Me: Well, in the West?
    OG: You show me one Soviet protocol of chemotherapy, which is used or used in the world ... or a visualization method.
    Me: And the availability of medical services, attitudes towards people
    OG: Oh ... whom are you listening to ... they scored people ... not everything and not always, of course ... a mess, window dress, rudeness ... pensioners were treated medically .. for every symptom a drug .. a bunch side effects, side effects of the drug, etc. As a result, a large sheet with a schedule of drugs, the dosage of which, ultimately, led to death.
    1. Liam
      Liam 3 May 2020 13: 22
      +7
      Quote: Krasnodar
      pensioners were treated medically .. for every symptom a drug .. a bunch of side effects, another side effect of a side effect, etc. As a result, a large sheet with a schedule of drugs, the dosage of which, ultimately, led to death.

      Not only pensioners. My mother died at 36 because of these sheets. For 4 years, they killed her kidneys, although she was treated completely from another. The house looked like a branch of a pharmacy
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 May 2020 13: 27
        +6
        Quote: Liam

        Not only pensioners. My mother died at 36 because of these sheets. For 4 years, they killed her kidneys, although she was treated completely from another. The house looked like a branch of a pharmacy

        Bright memory!
        So an elementary disregard - instead of thinking and analyzing the situation, drawing up an individual treatment plan, they acted "according to the instructions."
        1. Liam
          Liam 3 May 2020 13: 41
          0
          Surgery is military / field. Do not splurge to heal, but cut and sew. The seams after surgery are a separate issue. The bodies of patients have been mutilated for life, especially women. Any appendicitis is a terrible scar for a dozen cm.
          Oncology (of any stage) is almost a death sentence.
          All these supposedly ubiquitous outpatient clinics or a ragged table and a doctor with a stethoscope. Well, and a metal cabinet with a pair of disposable syringes at the age of 15 A.P. Chekhov. Any more or less serious operation-hikes to pull through / through friends / for money in the capital RCH. Terrifying mortality due to postoperative infections and no hygiene in hospitals. Fast, especially in rural areas-killed UAZ / RAFiki without shock absorbers bouncing along all bumps with the patient. All equipment-tarpaulin stretchers)
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 May 2020 13: 50
            +3
            I remember. The hospital in the Ryzhkanovka area (right behind the Chekansky park near the lake) was not bad. Grandfather pulled out with a heart attack. Then a sanatorium somewhere in Lazarevskaya — we brought him toilet paper, and a box of chocolates Bucuria and White Stork for the head doctor of the medical facility. Well, his second hospitalization in a hospital near the planetarium (fractures, accidents) ended in death from PNEUMONIA. Chamber for four at 8 meters. Stink and draft and toilet in the hallway.
            1. Liam
              Liam 3 May 2020 14: 03
              +3
              It was hospital number 3 if I am not mistaken.
              I recall the Soviet experience with hospitals with a shudder)
              Especially syringes with some awful huge needles. And the dental office, as they were going to the Gestapo for questioning)
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 3 May 2020 14: 08
                +5
                Oh, I remember from childhood ... laughing
      2. Dali
        Dali 7 May 2020 00: 04
        +1
        Quote: Liam
        Not only pensioners. My mother died at 36 because of these sheets. For 4 years, they killed her kidneys, although she was treated completely from another. The house looked like a branch of a pharmacy

        And my wife’s mom’s situation was exactly the opposite ... right now she was being treated for some reason, and her kidneys ended completely, and then she herself.
        But it was during the Soviet era that my grandfather, and my mother (was operated on more than once), was saved ...

        Yes, and I saw the hospitals and clinics live ... there was no such tin as you describe ... it is clear that the nomenclature desks were getting better, but I did not see such tin as you describe !!!

        So what do you think, will I believe you or myself and my family ?! belay
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 May 2020 00: 56
          -2
          It was, how else. Even in the capitals of the republics, I am generally silent about small cities.
    2. helvetic
      helvetic 3 May 2020 15: 54
      +3
      Medicine was also unevenly developed as elsewhere (for example, quite advanced studies of hemophilia in Voenmed were conducted). But, of course, the most popular types of treatment were more accessible than now, when getting into a free emergency room is like hell. And this is in St. Petersburg.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 May 2020 17: 16
        +3
        I do not remember the emergency room at the Union. Now they fall into norms (in Krasnodar), also not without overlaps, but not hell - or just a small city, compared to St. Petersburg
        1. Dali
          Dali 6 May 2020 23: 52
          +1
          Quote: Krasnodar

          I do not remember the emergency room at the Union.

          And I just really remember, and everything was fine there.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 7 May 2020 00: 56
            -1
            Maybe I don’t remember.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 3 May 2020 20: 06
        0
        Yes, everything is fine in the injury. SPB, Primorsky district
        Quote: helvetic
        Medicine was also unevenly developed as elsewhere (for example, quite advanced studies of hemophilia in Voenmed were conducted). But, of course, the most popular types of treatment were more accessible than now, when getting into a free emergency room is like hell. And this is in St. Petersburg.
    3. BAI
      BAI 3 May 2020 17: 12
      +4
      In Israel and Germany he was engaged in medical tourism for citizens of the countries of the former USSR. He talked with Russian-speaking doctors who had Soviet experience.
      I bring the dialogue from memory.

      I was on medical tourism in Israel.
      1. They recognized that the oncological operation in 62 MOBs was excellent.
      2. For rehabilitation - did NOTHING. No positive progress. Waste of money.
      3. We have PSA accuracy of up to thousandths, in Israel - up to tenths.
      4. I do not consider a graduate of the Baku Medical Academy (has anyone heard of such a thing?) To be the luminary of medicine, although her services are actively being imposed. I myself was at a reception with other professors ($ 800-1500 per appointment), this simple sign caught my eye.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 May 2020 21: 36
        +3
        Why were you driving? What is rehabilitation after prostatectomy? laughing Or removing adenoma is even more nonsense ... What kind of doctor? $ 1500 only two professors cost, none of them is related to oncology urology
        PSA indicators - in 80% of cases, analyzes made in the Russian Federation are similar to Israeli or German
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 9 May 2020 09: 01
        0
        Yes. And now we have nothing to do with rehabilitation at all. For no part. Individual people move it, but no more.
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  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 3 May 2020 07: 19
    +8
    Quote: Donald72
    hardened banderavets. It is so customary here.

    You are not satisfied that Bandera is called Bandera, what are you doing on the Russian site? Leave him! angry
    1. Buxlov
      Buxlov 3 May 2020 10: 59
      +12
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Quote: Donald72
      hardened banderavets. It is so customary here.

      You are not satisfied that Bandera is called Bandera, what are you doing on the Russian site? Leave him! angry

      Their mission is this, soon by May 9 they will be here, a whole division spitting the venom of envy and hatred .. soldier
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      And of the manufactured goods, it was very sparse for us to buy something more decent again in St. Petersburg or Moscow, and if you are lucky, you can buy something there. Such was your soviet paradise.

      But now the sausages are full and the fat of the Polish rubber ..?
      Everything was on the markets and cooperatives, only pay money ..
      So it’s inappropriate here .. Most of all the whine from the "former allies" lived badly for them .. That was the problem, they tried to fill them up with everyone, taking away from those who produced it all ..
      I remember everything !
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 3 May 2020 13: 02
        0
        Quote: Buxlov
        Their mission is this, soon by May 9 they will be here, a whole division spitting the venom of envy and hatred ..
        Let there not be, in this article, this information division. Those 30-35 stationary "parishioners of negative Russia witnesses" who have the paper shoulder straps of the "generals of the VO" and who pop out like devils from the closet of the "one-day" from the neighboring country 404, here, as you can see, do not want to appear - they will trample! They hang out in a circle of articles coming from the pen of the same "anti-Russian strawberry" specialists, since they cannot make money on anything else.
      2. kalibr
        3 May 2020 17: 27
        +3
        Quote: Buxlov
        Everything was on the markets and cooperatives, only pay money ..

        So it is now also ...
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 3 May 2020 11: 03
      +11
      Mr. Shpakovsky cannot get away from his beloved business - a draft on a fan, and all about the USSR. It is strange that Govorukhin, probably, did not want to share his fee in his films about the terrible USSR.
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  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 3 May 2020 10: 59
    +6
    you will be

    hardened

    72 in your nickname is the year of birth? Something is not very good with literacy. Or is it on purpose?
  • 210ox
    210ox 3 May 2020 06: 38
    +33
    Yes, not everything was perfect under the USSR. But what’s going on in medicine now is generally tough. You took it in 1962. And why not in 1950, for example?. And what happened in 1978? For the sake of statistics, where did the Soviet medicine?
    1. kalibr
      3 May 2020 06: 51
      -18%
      A bad question ... Because it’s impossible to stuff ALL the years of interest to you in one article. In addition, reports like this are not available for all years. That is, similar reports need to be searched by crawling through documents. And this is troublesome. And then he took the folder - it fell into her own hands. But I agree that the dynamics, comparing the results is always interesting. Well then, let's try to do it. When it's over. Now the archive is closed.
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      2. mp-133
        mp-133 3 May 2020 08: 23
        +22
        You better not compare with the years of the USSR, with the nineties and with two thousand! That's probably where we overtook everyone!
        1. kalibr
          4 May 2020 18: 15
          0
          Quote: mp-133
          with the nineties and with the two thousandth! That's probably where we overtook everyone!

          Can't be compared! Then there was a society of equality and brotherhood, the people and the party were one, man was a friend, comrade and brother, and women were all sisters. And now we have a "regime", capitalism, man is a wolf to man. Round is not compared with fresh!
      3. 210ox
        210ox 3 May 2020 08: 30
        +23
        But I know this dynamics even without documents. Because I saw it myself. Medicine went ahead, hospitals and polyclinics were built. I judge it from Smolensk. Or was it wrong in Penza? Now what? And this is not a bad question, but a good one. the place.
        1. Buxlov
          Buxlov 3 May 2020 11: 03
          +14
          Quote: 210ox
          And I even know this dynamics without documents. Because I saw it myself. Medicine went forward, hospitals and polyclinics were built.

          Yes, in every small town, there was a paramedic center and doctors went out and medical helicopters were on duty ... And in the west, just for the word "Hello doctor, already $ 100 was charged ..
      4. chenia
        chenia 3 May 2020 10: 20
        +23
        Quote: kalibr
        This is a bad question ... Because it’s impossible to stuff ALL the years of interest to you in one article

        And then you pull out the most problematic years, and then draw thoughtful conclusions. I remember that the years are not the best. But after the mid-60s there was a rapid breakthrough in construction and housing, and hospitals and kindergartens. And the factories opened dozens. if not hundreds. In addition, the problems were seen, not hidden, understood, made the appropriate conclusions and solved.

        That is, that you and the foul-faced are understandable. The principles are not yours (although there is, the end justifies the means, always with the winner or in a timely manner to betray, to anticipate). By all means they dragged themselves humiliating to climb higher, to prove something to themselves and others, but that something did not grow together. And now take revenge on those to whom you have clung to you by hook or by crook. But apparently they saw you through to the feeder, then they let them in, but they did not award them with a high rank (you can clearly assess the moral level). That's the rattle of the soul.
        So what's better about knights. A moral assessment of one time or another is NOT YOURS.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 3 May 2020 11: 07
          +3
          they let it go to the feeder, but they did not award a high rank

          And there the competition was for high ranks.
      5. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 10: 45
        +10
        Quote: kalibr
        A bad question ... Because it’s impossible to stuff ALL the years of interest to you in one article.

        No, the question is just a very good one, to a point. It’s just that you use the most sophisticated, and therefore the most effective, method of all slanderers - to suppress information that is not favorable to you.
        1. kalibr
          3 May 2020 17: 30
          -1
          What is the best year for you, and as soon as the virus ends, I'll see. The requests of readers IN - a holy cause!
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 18: 13
            +4
            Quote: kalibr
            What is the best year for you, and as soon as the virus ends, I'll see. The requests of readers IN - a holy cause!

            Publish the decision and measures of the regional committee on the issues raised by it.
            1. your1970
              your1970 3 May 2020 20: 53
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Quote: kalibr
              What is the best year for you, and as soon as the virus ends, I'll see. The requests of readers IN - a holy cause!

              Publish the decision and measures of the regional committee on the issues raised by it.

              "Punish" or do you think that the hospitals that have been building for 8 years were discussed for the first time or what ????!
              "The construction of N. Lomovskaya, Serdobskaya, Kamenskaya hospitals, which are being built according to eight years or more."
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 4 May 2020 00: 33
                +3
                Quote: your1970
                "..you think that the hospitals that have been building for 8 years - were they discussed for the first time ????!. The construction of N. Lomovskaya, Serdobsk, Kamenskaya hospitals, which are being built for eight or more years, has been inadmissibly delayed."

                Therefore, it is interesting to know why? Maybe they are more than weighty. Under Khrushchev, with his adventurism, there were a lot of voluntary decisions. Plans could simply be overestimated, but then it was not yet possible for the people to walk around.
            2. kalibr
              4 May 2020 07: 49
              -2
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Publish the decision and measures of the regional committee on the issues raised by it.

              And what will it give? The solution is words. Their implementation could well stretch for YEARS! After all, before that there were words-decisions about the construction of hospitals, and then they were built for 8 years. Not words need to be watched, but what exactly changed in 1965,7,9. compared to the 63rd. Here, people wanted to know in 72 years. In my opinion this is much more interesting. Than to read the next - to correct, deepen, lift and repair. Available explained?
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 4 May 2020 20: 28
                0
                Quote: kalibr
                And what will it give? The solution is words.

                And what, is it not interesting why it dragged on a long-term construction? Objective reasons or not.
                1. kalibr
                  4 May 2020 20: 46
                  +1
                  Interesting, of course. But there is not a word about this in the specified document. Trying to search through reports from construction organizations? It is possible, but difficult. And what will it do? Something is always objective, something is subjective. Calculate%? Troubled and will not pay off with the time and money spent. We know the result - 91 years old. Therefore, it makes sense to look at the data for the 75th year - the peak of the "stagnation" well-being or the 72nd - depending on what year the similar document will be.
                  1. Dali
                    Dali 7 May 2020 00: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Troublesome and will not pay off the time and money spent. The result - 91 years is known to us.

                    Those. you do not want to spend money ... belay But what about the accusation of this majority in one of your comments? belay
                    You are by no means as greedy and stupid as you said about the majority? belay
                  2. kalibr
                    7 May 2020 07: 20
                    +1
                    You see, this can be a one-time promotion for them. This can even be interesting ... Here you can spend money. For me this is a permanent job. And permanent work cannot go at a loss! And then ... Why didn't you read to the end? The result - 91 I know. The purpose of your colleagues' action is different - to prove my "lies". Explained easily?
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 3 May 2020 09: 20
    +16
    The main question: what and what is this article about ?! If about the shortcomings that existed in the USSR, then yes, there were shortcomings, there is nothing to hide them, but if about the fact that the USSR was a scoop that did not care about people, which did not give a damn about people, then this is an absolute lie.
    That's right, there were no drug addicts in the USSR, but they weren’t not because they really weren’t, but because the addiction didn’t have the scale that it reached under the liberals ... and nobody fought with it: not with what was the fight. In fact, drug addicts existed, there were dens of drug addicts, there were used ampoules, devices for preparing mixtures in parks in certain places. I testify, because I saw it myself. But this was not the general problem that it became after the collapse of the USSR.
    In the USSR, in addition to kindergartens, there were also nurseries, where a working mother gave her child when she went to work. By the way, the day nursery began to disappear when labeled - Gorbachev, who allowed mothers to stay at home until the 3-year-old children. And so, after 2 months, my mother went to work, and the children surrendered to a nursery. There were really not enough places in the nursery, kindergartens, as well as in schools. But they were not enough, not because nurseries, kindergartens, schools were not built, but because the birth rate was such that the construction did not keep up with the birth rate, so we really had to wait for a place in the nursery and kindergartens. In schools everywhere there were 2, and in some places, and 3 shifts. For example, in the school where I worked, there were 5 senior classes from the 5th to the 8th and each class had 46-48 students. And this is not in the very last city of the union. Now imagine what could be on the periphery ...
    But all this does not mean that the USSR was bad and terrible, but only means that there was not enough money for construction with the construction technology that existed at that time. They were also lacking because the USSR was forced to fight the hegemon, maintain its own defense capability, constantly being under the pressure of external pressure, and the possibility of attack. For example, after the war, there was not enough electric energy, so when creating and testing an atomic bomb, disconnect cities and entire regions from electricity. But this again does not mean that the USSR was terrible and that the USSR did not give a damn about citizens, but only means that the creation of an atomic bomb is a condition for the survival of the state and its citizens ... would you write articles in the Higher Education if the USSR had not created atomic bomb, you can only guess.
    This is what the articles in which the so-called completely truthful material based on the archives are presented lead to thoughts. The truth, of course, should be. But the truth should be historical, and not plucked out of the archive in the form of an archival reference. I think that if you delve into the archives, you can find a certificate on the amount of feces emitted by sewage systems of domestic sewage in certain cities, but this does not mean at all that in one city citizens "shit" more than in another city. So it is with absolutely truthful information from the historical archives ... No need to shit into the past, but you need to honestly and truthfully study it.

    Here, in fact, are some considerations for using the open archives of Russia and the Union.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 3 May 2020 06: 59
    +30
    Quote: kalibr
    You can write anything. Here is an official document reflecting the realities of that life.

    I thought that the author decided to compare the real situation in medicine in the USSR of the times of Khrushchev (17 years after the end of the Second World War) with the current 28-year-old capitalist “creation” ... But no. Another portion of dirt from Putin's training manual “How galoshes were made in the USSR and slaughtered old dairy cows for meat”.
    You know what, the author I disrespect personally. Without your libel we have enough joy of "zeroing" and "self-isolation." I just won’t begin to list and compare what was restored, rebuilt, created for the first time in the world in 17 post-war years and what was successfully “poher” in twenty-eight. No need to throw beads. Here is just one quote from you:
    An acute shortage is felt in the cities in the nursery. Instead of 5000 places there are 2210. Currently, there are 7 thousand children who need to be identified in a nursery. Great need for child care facilities is available at the watchmaking, CAM, compressor, Penzmash, Penzkhimmash and other workers' factories.

    Indeed, there was a huge shortage of places in kindergartens and nurseries. Moreover, the schools had several classes: 5A, 5B, 5B, 5G, etc. In my school there were just that many. Do you know why? But for this:

    Only today, despite the low birth rate, places in kindergartens are not enough:
    As follows from the document, on November 1 in the Russian Federation 205,3 thousand children were not provided with a place in a preschool, which is almost 30 thousand less than on October 1.

    By the way, in the early 60s only in Moscow there were much more than 200 children ...
    And as for the factories:
    ... sentinel, CAM, compressor, Penzmash, Penzkhimmash and others.

    It is unlikely that you today will find them in nature in general, as well as the workers of these plants with all the attached attributes and needs ...
    Any document can be used in two ways. You did it.
    hi
    1. kalibr
      3 May 2020 07: 14
      -28%
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It is unlikely that you will find them today in nature at all

      I will ignore all your personal attacks. But here it is ... ALL THE TIME I WRITE HERE: BEFORE YOU WRITE - DO NOT POP THE INTERNET. And see if I am right or not. And do not guess !!! Guessing gypsies! And now a little personal experience. My daughter works as a sales manager in an enterprise that sews luxury clothing. With the onset of the epidemic, of course, they sew masks. And she is phoning local businesses now in search of orders. And that’s amazing. Plants in Penza turned out to be full! In addition to the large ones that you called, dozens, if not hundreds of medium and small ones, appeared. For example, she found some plant ... working for space. There are 15 (!) People in total, 5 managers and 10 workers and everything is automated. There is a 3D printer and ... There was one NIIEMP, it became 3 ... and everyone works, everyone orders masks and a lot. Recently I needed to treat a tooth. He went into the street opposite the clinic, in the depths of the housing estate. And there, in rows, are the working buildings! In the pines! But you can’t say that it’s a plant. And everyone works. And there are trucks, including foreign ones. So not everything is as bad as some people think.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 3 May 2020 07: 18
        +19
        Quote: kalibr
        I will ignore all your personal attacks.

        You are not the authority that I listened to your calculations. There are official documents, statistics, data from the RIA ... And you "snatched" the information from the anonymous letters and shook them here before us, as if we did not live in the 60s and did not see it with our own eyes.
        There were many difficulties, but they were fought with, and, MOST IMPORTANT, they did not arise due to the theft of budget funds.
        1. kalibr
          3 May 2020 07: 32
          -17%
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And you “pulled” the information from the anonymous letters and shook it here before us, as if we had not lived in the 60s and had not seen it with our own eyes.

          Since when did the "Minutes of the meeting of the Bureau of the OK CPSU from 14.01 to 16.03.1963. F. 5893. Inventory. 1. Unit. Xr. 12. Penza industrial regional committee of the CPSU. Special sector" became "anonymous"? And you lived, yes, and I lived, but all this was not reported to us, ordinary "scoops".
          Quote: ROSS 42
          There were many difficulties, but they were fought with, and, MOST IMPORTANT, they did not arise due to the theft of budget funds.

          There are documents about how they were stolen. It's just silly to embed them in this article. But everything will be with time ...
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 3 May 2020 09: 52
            +21
            kalibr (Vyacheslav)
            There are documents about how they were stolen. It's just silly to embed them in this article. But everything will be with time ...
            In the USSR, there were at least documents regarding theft and even oddly enough the OBHSS worked. Another thing is that with the death of Stalin, Judas Khrushchev ruled out the purge of the highest echelons of power as such. From here it went and went.
            BUT, do you want to bring the documents about the embezzlement of the Russian budget? Soviet party nomenclature to modern plunderers as to Beijing on foot. But, you are not on this part, touching a modern ilytku is not enough for you, it’s not for you to shit the USSR, for this you can get in the snout, but you can even worse. How much safer to cluck about the shortcomings in the USSR, isn't it Mr. "Whistleblower"?
            Yes, and those who were at the helm of the late USSR, they also put a hand to its collapse in order to be able to legalize the loot.
            And weathercocks like you are always ready to cull "glory to the KPSS", and then "glory to Putin", you are not used to changing shoes, the main thing is to keep your nose in the wind, it is a weathervane in Africa too. negative
            1. kalibr
              3 May 2020 17: 33
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              But, you are not on this part, touch the modern gut

              I work with documents. Do you have them about the elite? Write an article about this with links to documents and VO will always publish it.
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 24
          0
          Nichese anonymous.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 3 May 2020 08: 33
        +11
        For ten workers, one leader is enough ... And not five.
        1. Fat
          Fat 3 May 2020 10: 08
          +13
          Quote: 210ox
          For ten workers, one leader is enough ... And not five.

          Are you Dmitry from the moon? Count:
          Director
          accountant (he is a personnel officer),
          technologist (he is also a designer and a specialist in rigging),
          zavskladom (he is also a supplier and specialist in sales),
          site master (if one shift).
          Total 5, This is the minimum. These are the "seven with a spoon." here are those with a bipod from one to a hundred.
          Shabashnik enterprise and team - different things request
          1. 210ox
            210ox 3 May 2020 10: 30
            +9
            Yes, this is understandable. Sharazhka family. Well, an example was given by Shpakovsky ... what And so all over the country.
          2. BAI
            BAI 3 May 2020 17: 26
            +3
            Somewhere 1989-90. A delegation of the Krasnozavodsk factory traveled to Krasnozavodsk factory, where hunting cartridges are made, to strengthen international cooperation and study best foreign practices, whether to Cyprus or Crete.
            Comparison.
            Krasnozavodsk - several workshops (the size of a plane can be assembled) 200-300 people workers (this is only for cartridges - by-products). 300 rounds per month.
            Cyprus - 2 rooms, 10 people, 1 machine, which does everything from assembly to packing cartridges (NONE OF AN ENGINEER. As the owner of the company said, it’s expensive to maintain it). 250 rounds per month. So consider the necessary managers.
            1. Fat
              Fat 3 May 2020 18: 23
              +3
              Quote: BAI
              Somewhere 1989-90. A delegation of the Krasnozavodsk factory traveled to Krasnozavodsk factory, where hunting cartridges are made, to strengthen international cooperation and study best foreign practices, whether to Cyprus or Crete.
              Comparison.
              Krasnozavodsk - several workshops (the size of a plane can be assembled) 200-300 people workers (this is only for cartridges - by-products). 300 rounds per month.
              Cyprus - 2 rooms, 10 people, 1 machine, which does everything from assembly to packing cartridges (NONE OF AN ENGINEER. As the owner of the company said, it’s expensive to maintain it). 250 rounds per month. So consider the necessary managers.

              Your engineer is expensive, and easier and cheaper to contract with the manufacturer of the machine, and in many other respects the same. Do we have many such services for sale?
              Probably only bookkeeping ... one specialist leads several enterprises.
            2. begemot20091
              begemot20091 3 May 2020 19: 58
              0
              Well, why take a piece out. and that this plant does not produce defense products? cartridges are a byproduct. take the Shostkinsky powder - Peter-1 built. and you are patrons ... Tell me more about the Minotaur in Crete. how do you like to rake shit, then lick and spit.
            3. kalibr
              4 May 2020 07: 53
              -2
              Quote: BAI
              t and count the necessary managers.
              And the level of quality of the economy! Not surprisingly, everything fell apart!
            4. mmaxx
              mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 29
              0
              Here is just another organization of TOTAL production. Regular suppliers of quality components. Constantly deductible percentage for servicing the entire technology. In other words, the plant is delivered as a turnkey solution. He does only what he can.
              We have not reached this point. We have military approaches in industry. They should do everything themselves.
      3. 210ox
        210ox 3 May 2020 10: 28
        +13
        Author. Where is the compressor, watch and engineering? By the way?
        1. kalibr
          3 May 2020 17: 36
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          Where is the compressor, watch and engineering?

          You have not tried to contact the Internet. I tried and here: Penzkompressormash - opening hours, reviews and contacts
          Yandex.Maps ›Penza Compressor Plant now
          Penzkompressormash in the Oktyabrsky district with rating, reviews and photos. Addresses, telephones, opening hours, location map.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 3 May 2020 17: 49
            -1
            You did not understand. Do they work at all? And not about some kind of legal address.
            1. kalibr
              3 May 2020 17: 51
              +4
              Work! And why do you need Internet addresses and phone numbers with ratings and product reviews? And driving directions ... Beyond that, such questions for me today!
      4. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 3 May 2020 11: 34
        +9
        Quote: kalibr
        And there, in rows, are the working buildings! In the pines! But you can’t say that it’s a plant. And everyone works. And there are trucks, including foreign ones. So not everything is as bad as some people think.

        You wrote a whole detective story ...
        In the pines are working buildings! - It looks like this is not a factory. and the office ...
        Moreover, the plant does not resemble ...
        The wagons are foreign ... and something is being taken out of the pines ...
        Or even worse - something is being brought into Penza ...
        And some believe that not everything is so bad ...

        And now without fussing.
        Free Russia has lost precision engineering.
        And this is not the case in the pines ...
        And, imitating the City of London, replaced Great Industry with offices like Horns and Hooves.
        To put it mildly, the workers and engineers were retrained ... So one of the welders, who cooked a flower garden and even copper, at the retirement age in the 2000s was pushed by plumbing realities.
        Separated managers ...
        1. kalibr
          3 May 2020 17: 52
          +2
          Quote: Sergey S.
          import something into Penza ...

          I looked - loaded from us!
  • knn54
    knn54 3 May 2020 07: 46
    +1
    Only nine years have passed since the death of Stalin ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 May 2020 13: 40
      +4
      Quote: knn54
      Only nine years have passed since the death of Stalin ...

      Stalin, Stalin ... an outstanding personality, but June-November of the 41st is also Stalin. Swam due to the mass heroism of the Soviet people. Which does not deny its clear, truly unparalleled in the world, the evacuation and launch of industry beyond the Urals. But still.
  • zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 3 May 2020 07: 51
    +4
    Can you write such "laudatory odes" now? I doubt it, because the manager's effectiveness will decline and he may suffer. So now everything is just fine!
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 3 May 2020 08: 26
    -16%
    Quote: kalibr
    Here is an official document reflecting the realities of that life. In the text all data is given on it. I did not invent it.

    nothing he can object to the DOCUMENT. And on the topic, from him -NO WORDS

    Therefore, the course comes from the ill-mannered- disgusting rudeness.

    and this document was not published in Pravda - only the first, laudatory part was published there, but about lousy patients. sleeping in hundreds on the floor - not a word ...

    in the USSR there were, and quite a few, amazing doctors, but you could not choose them and go to them yourself.

    In the early 1980s for a child I needed urgently to find a cure, we traveled to all the pharmacies of the city and the surrounding area, but no, even cry! They raised all contacts and for money they took me to people "in the subject", they sent me to the Lechsanupra pharmacy warehouse and there for very good bribe money I bought everything and delivered it to the excellent resuscitation doctors and it all ended happily.

    during blood donation (donation) hepatitis was introduced to me and when my children needed blood already, I couldn’t donate it ...

    I, by the way, had to be in closed hospitals and clinics Lechsanupra USSR for white people, of course, it was heaven and earth compared to ordinary institutions ...

    and don’t forget, yes, that today a person lives in Russia much longer. than in the USSR.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 10: 57
      +6
      Quote: Olgovich

      and we will not forget, yes, that today people in Russia live much longer. than in the USSR.

      Today, those who grew up during the Soviet era and ate real foods live longer, this is not the merit of today's life. Those who are growing today will not live so much today, not a single conscript in the army can be found 100% healthy today.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 3 May 2020 11: 07
        -13%
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Today, those who grew up during the Soviet era and ate real foods live longer, this is not the merit of today's life.

        What are you carrying?

        at your idols whole generations have grown on "real" foods and died at a much younger age. than today.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 11: 10
          +5
          Quote: Olgovich
          under your idols, entire generations grew up on "real" products and died at a much younger age. than today.

          Are you not in cemeteries? Look, new burial places, who are there - mostly young
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 3 May 2020 13: 07
            -14%
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Are you not in cemeteries? Look, new burial places, who are there - mostly young

            Today people live LONGER than with you. This is the statistics.

            And it's not your right through
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 15: 47
              +2
              Quote: Olgovich
              And it's not your right through

              All statistics in the cemetery ...
            2. helvetic
              helvetic 3 May 2020 16: 07
              +1
              On the other hand, the population decline is a completely obvious reality of the modern Russian Federation, which in no way can be explained only by the global demographic transition. Apparently, "demographic optimism" in the USSR was provided by something more serious than a varied diet.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 3 May 2020 19: 57
                -8
                Quote: helvetic
                But the population decline - quite obvious reality modern Russia, which can not be explained only by the global demographic transition.

                this reality came from the demographic catastrophe of the 1930s, from the first place in the world in abortion, from the first places in the world in alcoholism and smoking.

                By 1991, the people had come old and small.
                Quote: helvetic
                "demographic optimism" in the USSR

                People became extinct since 1964 Mr. is it with you ... optimism? belay
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 4 May 2020 00: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The people have died out since 1964, is it with you ... optimism?

                  Are you okay? In 1964, the USSR was 220 млн. residents, in 1990 already - 285 million people.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 4 May 2020 09: 31
                    -6
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Are you okay? In 1964, there were 220 million inhabitants in the USSR, in 1990 already - 285 million people.

                    With you, definitely not in order: with 1964 years extinction in the USSR went-DEPOPULATION is called

                    If only one child was born in the family, then this is an increase only for the morons. For it means EXTINCTION. families

                    Got it, no? No.
                  2. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 4 May 2020 20: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    If only one child was born in the family, then this is an increase only for the morons. For it means EXTINCTION. families

                    And 65 million. Where did they come from?
                  3. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 4 May 2020 20: 47
                    -4
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    And 65 million. Where did they come from?

                    is there something literacy for the ignorant and hard-to-understand? request

                    Be educated yourself! there is a bunch of literature on this subject.

                    in 1964, the total fertility rate ceased to provide a simple substitution of generations net population of Russiareproduction ratio dropped below unity.

                    The country entered a period of hidden depopulation

                    "Demoscope"
                  4. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 5 May 2020 07: 04
                    -2
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    is there something literacy for the ignorant and hard-to-understand?

                    Quote: fuxila
                    The Russian village, which always provided the main growth, began to empty.

                    Guys, Don't put a shadow on the wattle fence. Really all 65 million from the Caucasus. and Central Asia, look at their numbers, where there are 65 million.
                    And the village was devastated by urbanization, the village moved to the city.
                    PS You better pay how today Russia and other former republics die out.
                  5. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 5 May 2020 07: 43
                    -5
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Guys, Don't put a shadow on the wattle fence. Really all 65 million from the Caucasus. and Central Asia, look at their numbers, where there are 65 million.


                    Russian Cross, you know?

                    Is it because of ..... half a year formed? fool belay

                    YOU led to him decades- from the demographic catastrophe of the 30s: NOT ONE generation after birth 1910 -DO NOT REPEAT YOURSELF!

                    200 million abortions — in more than the whole world combined at one time.
                    First places in the world in alcoholism, smoking, suicide
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    PS You better pay how today Russia and other former republics die out.

                    "thank you" to you, the destroyers of the country since 1917.

                    urbanization? Is this an alternative to the village? In Russia, that there was no land. how is it in the West? fool

                    Without you, the city would live, and Siberia would be populated.

                    After you, as mom passed, the desert and extinction ...

                  6. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 6 May 2020 13: 59
                    -2
                    Stop whistling and clicking. 65 million increase over 25 years. Better calculate how many now died out without a war ..
                  7. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 6 May 2020 14: 13
                    -4
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Stop whistling and clicking.
                    stop being an ignoramus and LEARNING.

                    a disgrace ....
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    65 million increase over 25 years

                    fool
                    and- EXTINCTIONhidden since 1964 and opened since 1992.

                    And you led him 1930h
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Better calculate how many now died out without a war ..

                    poke your wife.

                    When YOU country suffered the MOST terrible loss in the population and territory in its entire history of more than a thousand years.

                    These are just FACTS.
                  8. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 7 May 2020 22: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    It's just FACTS

                    These are not just facts, this is your distortion. This is the method of all slanderers, you think. readers do not understand that the scale of feudal wars is incorrect to compare with
                    the scale of the world imperialist wars. Although this is for you a light bulb, you just need to crow, and there even though the sun does not rise ..
                  9. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 8 May 2020 16: 05
                    -3
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    These are not just facts, this is your distortion.

                    these are FACTS. which you are not able to crank out, except to try to bite.

                    But no!

                    Chop the TRUE on your forehead: When YOU country suffered the MOST terrible loss in the population and territory in its entire history of more than a thousand years.

                    _ Hunger, abortion, alcoholism, war, camps, etc., which killed the Russians, there wasn’t such a thing before you.

                    Refute, liar!
                  10. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 8 May 2020 22: 43
                    0
                    [quote = Olgovich] _ starvation, abortion, alcoholism, war, camps, etc., which killed the Russians, this was not even before you. [/ quote [quote = Olgovich] Refute, liar! [/ quote]
                    You can develop the fantasies of your sick imagination, they are limitless, especially in the spring ...
                  11. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 9 May 2020 06: 45
                    -2
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    You can develop the fantasies of your sick imagination, they are limitless, especially in the spring.

                    Yes you just not.... lol can lol ! You- lol insolvent lol !

                    what is your soul, except Marsism, lies, empty talk without figures and facts and ignorance?

                    EMPTINESS! lol

                    disgrace ...
                  12. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 10 May 2020 14: 46
                    -1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    disgrace ...

                    Well, what can I say about this? Deaf, let him hear. And you do not, you do not care what the pillar to explain.
  • fuxila
    fuxila 5 May 2020 04: 11
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Green
    And 65 million. Where did they come from?

    The nation does not die out at once, at first there is a process of so-called aging, when the number of old people increases in percentage terms compared to young people. This is exactly what happened to the Russians. But at the same time there was an explosive population growth in the Caucasus and Central Asia, where huge funds were invested from the donor republic of the RSFSR, while the Russian village, which always provided the main growth, began to empty.
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 6 May 2020 14: 02
    -1
    Quote: fuxila
    The Russian village, which always provided the main growth, began to empty.

    The Russian village is emptying due to the fact that there was no life under the shit. Collective farms were dissolved, schools and hospitals were closed.
  • ser56
    ser56 6 May 2020 21: 35
    0
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Collective farms were dissolved, schools and hospitals were closed.

    Are you talking about not promising villages in the 1970s? hi
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 7 May 2020 22: 12
    +1
    Quote: ser56
    Are you talking about not promising villages in the 1970s?

    No, it's me about your Medvedev. It was his reform, in the city where I spent the childhood (35 thousand inhabitants) there were 3 hospitals and 5 clinics. Now they have left 1 hospital and 1 polyclinic ..
  • ser56
    ser56 8 May 2020 14: 08
    0
    Quote: Alexander Green
    about your Medvedev.

    alas or cheers, I'm not the president of the Russian Federation request
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Now they have left 1 hospital and 1 polyclinic ..

    I don’t know the details, but if only the bosses were cut (6 sets), it’s not so bad ...
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 3 May 2020 16: 11
    0
    And who said that now she is perfectly truthful?)
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 32
    +2
    Vodka should be less involved or substances. And not so many young people.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      Vodka should be less involved or substances. And not so many young people.

      And you pay attention to the wrappers of products, which E-shki feed you, which poisons are not there.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 15: 51
        +6
        As if preservatives were not used in the Soviet Union? But nitrates in vegetables, and the uncontrolled use of pesticides, have not heard? How was cotton watered in Central Asia that Uzbeks died of oncology? The naturalness of Soviet products is the lack of surrogation technologies, not only here, but all over the world. We would have come to this, even if the Union had not broken up.
        1. helvetic
          helvetic 3 May 2020 17: 10
          0
          That's when the Uzbeks (for the most part, however, Karakalpaks) really began to die in mass from oncology, so when the island of Renaissance ceased to be an island and the Aral was dry. And now, in independent Uzbekistan (where, by the way, some rudiments of Soviet medicine have survived), they will definitely be cured ....
        2. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 18: 22
          -1
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          As if preservatives were not used in the Soviet Union? But nitrates in vegetables, and the uncontrolled use of pesticides, have not heard?

          We had natural canned foods (salt, vinegar), added to canned foods for long periods of storage, no one added them to milk and sour cream, no one soaked herring in formalin. And the rates of soda in our country were two orders of magnitude lower than abroad.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 18: 27
            +6
            Benzoic acid and urotropin were used as preservatives, antibiotics were added to the meat for a while to increase the shelf life and transportation. Nitrates were poured, especially here, in the Non-Chernozem Region on the principle of how much they sent, and used so much, that is, from the bulldozer. I flew at aerial chemical works, there the fields were sprinkled with real poison.
          2. your1970
            your1970 3 May 2020 21: 05
            +4
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            according to the principle how much they sent, they used so much, that is, from the bulldozer. I flew at aerial chemical works, there the fields were sprinkled with real poison.
            we had to empty the warehouse for a new batch of nitrate (1980), they took it and moved it to a ravine ... 6000 tons of nitrate .... next to the river ....
          3. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 4 May 2020 00: 47
            -1
            Quote: your1970
            we had to empty the warehouse for a new batch of nitrate (1980), they took it and moved it to a ravine ... 6000 tons of nitrate .... next to the river ....

            Under Stalin, it would have been "10 years without the right of correspondence," but your brothers today would have raised a howl that they were repressed for nothing ..
          4. your1970
            your1970 4 May 2020 08: 21
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Under Stalin, it would have been "10 years without the right of correspondence"

            Read "Joint meeting of the People's Commissariat of Communications and the Prosecutor's Office", 1934 ..... with wild surprise you learn that the volumes of money thefts from postmen were such that Vasilyeva was playing in the sandbox, and Zakharchenko nervously smoked on the sidelines ...
          5. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 4 May 2020 20: 46
            -1
            Quote: your1970
            Vasilyeva plays in the sandbox, and Zakharchenko nervously smokes aside ......

            And you add and compare the other Russian thieves to them, and for that they’ll get nothing. You have no wild surprise for this ?. And in the 30s, many paid for these deeds, now you record them all in innocent repressed ..
          6. your1970
            your1970 4 May 2020 21: 55
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Quote: your1970
            Vasilyeva plays in the sandbox, and Zakharchenko nervously smokes aside ......

            And you add and compare the other Russian thieves to them, and for that they’ll get nothing. You have no wild surprise for this ?. And in the 30s, many paid for these deeds, now you record them all in innocent repressed ..
            -Well, and then it’s quite easy for us to evade responsibility belay
            "In Voronezh, a certain Belokopytov, who stole a bag with 39.500 rubles, worked without any verification. The head of the insurance department, Andreev, wrote the invoice, but this invoice was destroyed by Belokopytov. We learned about this only when we began to ask the bank, which said that the bag was his, that the money Please give it back ... After that, we began to look for it and learned that Belokopytov bought a house in Voronezh with this bag, which he received from the Narkomfin, began to furnish it and according to current traditions plant greenery around. They became interested in this, began to say why we do not have such a house and green spaces, but he has everything. When Belokopytov found out that they were interested in his bag, he, of course, escaped."
            "In Shakhty, a certain Karbut was allowed to work in the mail car without any check, who immediately stole 24 thousand rubles. And hid."
            "In Astrakhan, they allowed a professional thief Demyanenko to work, who was sentenced to 10 years, escaped from exile, went to work for us and immediately stole 20 thousand rubles."

            And this is my favorite lol
            "In the Kiev region, Pinikovsky stole money and for this he was sentenced to public censure. "- Doesn't it look like anything?
            "The communications worker of the Western Directorate Vladimirov was sentenced to 10 years in prison for forgery and embezzlement, but his forgot arrest, he left. "- guess how much FORGOT(!!!!) to arrest CONDEMNED (!!!!!)?

            But why repressions (and even executions !!!!!) can not solve anything:

            "Comrade Stalin, making a report on the economic situation in the USSR at the Leningrad asset, drew attention to the fact that we have not yet created a moral atmosphere for the fight against theft. Talking about the merry theft of some fertik with a mustache, who stole in front of our eyes everyone, Comrade Stalin warned that here it is impossible to confine oneself to the GPU measures alone, to measures of repression alone, that more real measures are needed here than repression measures. We understand the significance of these repressive measures, criminal in particular; we can apply them firmly and decisively enough! But we must admit that by some measures of repression we will not do anything if we do not create such a mood in the environment surrounding the rogue, whichwould instruct every citizen to look at a crook as a spy and traitor. Meanwhile, we have such phenomena are often observed when a rogue is patted good-naturedly on the shoulder and even seem to approve of his dexterity and courage, when they talk about a dexterous thief and even quite loudly: well, well done, they say, how much he licked! .."

            And this is the question of the amounts stolen only by money transfer:
            (For understanding at this moment, the maximum part was 600 rubles)
            “What is the dynamics of the loss and theft of the transferred amounts? In 1931, there were so-called shortfalls in the transferred amounts, revealed by the Bureau of Translation Control, by 10 million rubles to 10 billion rubles in turnover; in 1932 - 16 -17 million rubles to 15½ billion rubles of turnover: in 1933 - 17 million rubles to 16½ billion rubles of turnover. Thus, their growth is by no means less than the growth of turnover itself, the share of these shortages in 1933 is about 0,09% of the total turnover The dynamics of theft and waste of these amounts is expressed in the following data: in 1933 for the whole year, waste and embezzlement was 10½ million rubles, for 9 months of this year - More than 12 million rubles, that is, for 9 months of embezzlement and embezzlement there were more than for the whole of 1933. The second payments were 6½ million rubles in 1933 and 7,7 million rubles for 9 months 1934 We have the same data on the growth of theft and on the annual balance. Analyzing these data by district, it is possible to establish both the regions and the main culprits of these phenomena. I was given a list of these regions to choose from.against 300 thousand rubles. 1933 - about 500 thousand rubles. for 9 months 1934 (head of the department, Comrade Gavrilov).
            The Middle Volga Administration - 584 thousand rubles. for the whole of 1933 and
            1. 700 thousand rubles. for 9 months of 1934 (head of the communications department, Comrade Zharkov).
            In the East Siberian Administration in 1934, the theft and loss amounted to almost 1½ million rubles. (Head of Communications Department Comrade Kazakov).
            Western Siberia - there, according to statistics, waste has slightly decreased. So, according to data for 9 months. 1934 t. Novikov expects to catch up and overtake 1933
            In the Sverdlovsk Communications Directorate, Comrade Sinkov has a theft of over a million in the region.
            In Moscow, which is especially unacceptable, the head of the postal department, Comrade Stekhov, committed theft in the amount of 1.120 thousand rubles. "
          7. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 5 May 2020 06: 59
            -2
            Quote: your1970
            And this is my favorite

            How little do you find it necessary - savor, how thieves acted ..
          8. your1970
            your1970 5 May 2020 15: 39
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Quote: your1970
            And this is my favorite

            How little do you find it necessary - savor, how thieves acted ..

            I'm sorry but you fool fool
            If it didn’t get to you that under Vladimirov Bold black print is highlighted - that under Stalin they not only stole millions (these are the billions of today, at least !!! and even trillions!) But there was wild corruption that allowed us to FORGET FORGOTTEN CONDEMNING THE CONDEMNED ... .
            I haven’t heard about this now ... hush up, bribe a judge, intimidate witnesses, everything happened in the 90s ... but in order to FORGET now to forget to arrest the CONDEMNED
          9. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 6 May 2020 14: 17
            -1
            Quote: your1970
            under Stalin, they not only stole millions (these are the billions of today, at least !!! or even trillions!) but there was wild corruption that made it possible to FORGET the arrest of the convicted ....

            Well, how many people "forgot" to arrest? One case? Two cases ,? Some of the enemies managed to cover them, and you blame the whole system for this? Schoolchildren probably don't even do that.
          10. your1970
            your1970 6 May 2020 19: 49
            +6
            That is, to read the text of the meeting to you in the bastard?
            There, only the Moscow postmaster 1 (!!!!) stole money for the rifleman of the division or 3 T-34 tanks ...
            One!!!!! And there were such administrations in the country ....

            And this is an organization in which there was nothing to steal !!!! Not industry, not scribble, not finance, not even railway ...

            You think just like that in the country in1934 there were 62 accidents on the railway ??? Yeah, schaz ..... the train was derailed and robbed ....
            They introduced a decree 7/8 and over 4 years the accident rate fell 20 times (!!!) to 3

            There was no corruption under Stalin, huh huh ....

            Z.Y. about a fake military unit in which orders were awarded, and the military enlistment office called on fighters to even recall it was uninteresting
          11. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 7 May 2020 22: 07
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            to the division’s gunner or 3 T-34 tanks ...

            You read and take the fishing rod, from where did the Soviet state take the funds for the construction of factories, factories, steamboats, if everything was plundered by the police masters ...
          12. your1970
            your1970 7 May 2020 23: 55
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Read you
            -You better read the documents of those times. I gave you examples from the life of those times. The railway in general was a mess and chaos was utter with anarchy. The story of Koreiko who stole echelons was not fiction, an absolute reality, Ilf and Petrov took it from the newspaper feuilleton, think for yourself how much you can take in a hungry year for a train of food.
            Not the decree "7/8", not a word from Kaganovich "Every accident has a name, surname and position" - they are not just like that - from the bulldozer and not because "Stalin is a terrorist!" - life forced to take such measures.

            Quote: Alexander Green
            where did the Soviet state come from for the construction of factories, factories, ships, if everything was plundered by the police masters ....
            -again
            "In 1931, there were so-called shortfalls in the transfer amounts, identified by the Bureau of Translation Control, by 10 million rubles to 10 billion rubles of turnover; in 1932 - 16-17 million rubles to 15½ billion rubles. rubles of turnover: in 1933 - 17 million rubles to 16½ billion rubles of turnover. "- total was stolen in 3 years 44 млн rubles.
            "The cost of the PPSh in 1941, that is, at the earliest stage of its development in production, was 500 rubles, which was already in order of magnitude comparable to the cost of a rifle of the 1891/30 model in the same period - 163 rubles, and significantly lower than the price self-loading rifle SVT, which according to pre-war plans was to become the main small arms in the Red Army by 1942 - 713 rubles for 1940, though with a planned reduction to 508 rubles in the future. "

            This money (44 million) could be produced
            PPSh - 88 000 Pieces
            Mosin 1891/30 - 269 938 Pieces
            SVT - 61 711 Pieces

            “In this aspect, the data on purchase prices for tanks and armored vehicles (“ Plan of the order of the NKO, NKVMF, NKVD for 1940 ”), published on the website“ www.rkka.ru ”, will probably be of interest. So, in particular, KV -1 was planned to be purchased at 950000 rubles, T-34 at 300000 rubles, BT-7 at 162800 rubles, T-26 at 90908 rubles, T-40 at 48715 rubles, BA-10 at 46680 rubles, BA -20 to 18749 rubles (and a motorcycle TIZ-50 with a sidecar was purchased at 11500 rubles). "

            This money (44 million) could be produced
            KV-1 - 46 pcs.
            T-34 - 146 pcs.
            BT-7 - 270 pcs.
            T-26 - 484 pcs.
            T-40 - 903 pcs.
            BA-10 - 942 pcs.
            BA-20 - 2346 pcs.
            motorcycle - 3826 pcs.

            Do you understand? only mailers and only in 3 years Stole money which would be enough:
            - armed with rifles (roughly) -26 divisions
            - armed with motorcycles- 10 motorcycle regiments
            - arming tanks - to the motorized division with BT-7 1940 state

            Oh you
            Quote: Alexander Green
            plundered by police masters.
          13. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 8 May 2020 07: 12
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            you better read the documents of those times. I gave you examples from the life of those times.

            They decided to surprise - theft in Russia? So, starting with the Grand Dukes, they all stole. Look at other documents .. At first, the Soviet government treated this phenomenon more or less loyally, re-educated, gave short terms, believed that these were the birthmarks of tsarism, but when theft began to grow with the aggravation of the class struggle, the Law on the Protection of Property of State Enterprises was adopted collective farms and the strengthening of public (socialist) property. ”
            Already in 5 months of 1932, 22.6 thousand people were convicted. In 1933, 103,4 thousand people, in 1934, 37,7 thousand people. Then the thefts were equated with the struggle against Soviet power, and measures against these crimes were tightened. Now your supporters are crying about this.
          14. your1970
            your1970 8 May 2020 10: 04
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Green
            They decided to surprise - theft in Russia?
            -no .... you didn’t begin to read ...

            I wrote to you NOT about wild theft (crazy even by today's standards of money !!) in the USSR during the time of Stalin - this is not interesting, I wrote to you about corruptionin the days of Stalin ...
            About which everyone shouts in unison - "We must shoot and it will not be !!! as under Stalin !!" (or the option - "As in China!", But no - and then it bloomed and smelled

            The average cost of building a plant for transactions with Alfred Kahn was $ 4 million; at that time, the rate was -1,24 rubles per dollar 4,96 million rubles for the construction of the plant
            Now seamlessly recall the number of theft of mailers:
            Quote: your1970
            total was stolen in 3 years 44 million rubles.

            and we are surprised to understand that they stole (in value terms !!!!) about 8 factories (!!!!) such as - Stalingrad Tractor, Chelyabinsk Tractor, Kharkov Tractor, ZIS, GAZ, well, a couple of aircraft factories to the heap ....

            And God forbid there was no corruption - just
            Quote: your1970
            they forgot to arrest him, and he left.
            and the "bloody OGPU-NKVD" looked into his pocket and controlled the timeliness of the dough dropping there
          15. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 8 May 2020 22: 30
            +1
            Quote: ser56
            I don’t know the details, but if only the bosses were cut (6 sets), it’s not so bad ...

            Which bosses, the hospitals closed, the doctors were dismissed, the queues in the clinic are crazy.
          16. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 8 May 2020 22: 53
            +1
            Good evening, Alexander, Sometimes it seems that a lot of forum users do not live in Russia now and did not live in the USSR before either.
          17. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 8 May 2020 22: 56
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Good evening, Alexander, Sometimes it seems that a lot of forum users do not live in Russia now and did not live in the USSR before either.

            Hello Dmitry. Don’t pay attention to them, it’s their job to slander
          18. your1970
            your1970 9 May 2020 16: 04
            0
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Good evening, Alexander, Sometimes it seems that a lot of forum users do not live in Russia now and did not live in the USSR before either.

            Hello Dmitry. Don’t pay attention to them, it’s their job to slander
            - to bring facts from a closed archival document or from an open - but not read by anyone "Meeting ..." is "to slander" ???? !!!!!!
            That is must write - "Everything was then blissful and decorous !!!" ????
            but I thought that it was necessary - TRUTH write as it was AT YOURSELF actually ......

            ZY open the Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1926 article "Bribe" and find out with surprise that the punishment for 1 part was BEFORE 2 years in total. But the second part - for those in charge, it was from 2 to VMN ...
            Guess once WHY??
          19. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 10 May 2020 14: 54
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            - to bring facts from a closed archival document or from an open - but not read by anyone "Meeting ..." is "to slander" ???? !!!!!!

            Facts, if they are true, do not in themselves slander. Slander those who use them for libel.
          20. your1970
            your1970 10 May 2020 20: 48
            0
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Quote: your1970
            - to bring facts from a closed archival document or from an open - but not read by anyone "Meeting ..." is "to slander" ???? !!!!!!

            Facts, if they are true, do not in themselves slander. Slander those who use them for libel.

            And what is my "slander" ??? Can you refute the materials of the "Meeting ..." ?? Can you refute my conclusions about corruption and theft of everything and everything under Stalin ???

            Again
            Quote: your1970
            total was stolen for 3 years 44 million rubles.
            and we are surprised to understand that they stole (in cost equivalent !!!!) approximately 8 factories (!!!!) such as - Stalingrad Tractor, Chelyabinsk Tractor, Kharkov Tractor, ZIS, GAZ, well, a couple of aircraft factories to the heap ....
          21. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 11 May 2020 13: 47
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            And what is my "slander" ??? Can you refute the materials of the "Conference ..."?

            How incomprehensible you are: the mere facts of the meeting are not slander. Slander is your conclusion and its relishing that in the USSR under Stalin there was corruption that was not fought.
            If it is published in a newspaper, then this is confirmation that they fought with these phenomena.
          22. your1970
            your1970 11 May 2020 18: 01
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Slander is your conclusion and its relishing that in the USSR under Stalin there was corruption that was not fought.

            Ie you have not read the materials of the "Meeting ..." ???
            ".... Waste expenses on the line of the transfer economy for the same period of time are expressed in the amount of 117 thousand rubles, forgeries are expressed in the amount of 17.854 rubles.
            A.I. Rykov. “I will kill you, you have given absolute numbers.” I compare the dynamics, you have theft and embezzlement in 1933 was 70 thousand., and for 9 months this year 131 thousand., what's the matter?
            No, for 11 months. 117.723. (Rykov. - And in 1933 there were 70 thousand). in 1934 there were 60.697 thefts and robberies, and embezzlement amounted to 117.723. (Rykov. - So you are getting a doubling compared to 1933, why did you steal twice as much in 1934 as in 1933? You do not give me an answer to this). The fact is that this year they did not steal more, I would not say this, but this year they began to audit more. (Rykov. - By the end of the year, you make up the balance sheet for all balances?) The fact is that not all revealed abuses are reflected in the balance sheet, and this year the revision work has been intensified. (Rykov. - The balance is to give the balance as of January 1 of the next year for cash receivable and payable, as a result of theft, embezzlement and other things, but there is a balance and therefore the remainder of last year is 70 thousand, this year you have lost twice as much) ... "

            "In Fergana, former ROZ Ugryumov was convicted for embezzlement of 58 thousand rubles for 8 years. Moreover, this case is characteristic in the following respect. The case was delayed by the analysis in view of the flight of Ugryumov, and he was found among the employees of the Kyrgyz Communications Directorate, where he fled after the theft. (Rykov. - You have theft - it has become a household phenomenon, 85% of thefts are committed by ROSES, with the participation of the entire apparatus. How do you really struggle with these phenomena? After all, you are not professional thieves?)"
            "This Platonov was attracted to accountability fledand then it turned out that he turned out to be deputy Head of Translation Control Bureau in Rostov-on-Don."

            And how did it end for Igoshkin?
            It is known - that they stole the sums of thefts in 1993, it is known - that they stole the sums of thefts in 1934 ...
            Apparently they shot, right? or in "kgovy Gulag"? Schaz ...

            "For failure to comply repeated directives to combat theft and abuse in communications - I order:
            1. The head of the Uzbek communications department, comrade Igoshkin, to be removed from his post and appointed to one of the regions of the Uzbek Republic as the head of the regional communications department ........ "

            Like Serdyukov .......

            Z.Y. all the others stealing - reprimand lol wassat
            Yes, our corrupt officials cry from envy ... reprimand, eprst ...
          23. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 11 May 2020 19: 40
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            Ie you have not read the materials of the "Meeting ..." ???

            I repeat, for those who are especially dull: how to understand this Conference correctly. It indicates that there were some omissions, they were revealed, voiced at the meeting, and then they will correct all the shortcomings, and I am sure that the deserved "award" sooner or later found all the "heroes" revealed at this meeting.
          24. your1970
            your1970 11 May 2020 23: 36
            0
            Quote: Alexander Green
            I am sure that the well-deserved "award" sooner or later found all the "heroes" revealed at this meeting.
            -and I'm sure that current he will certainly find embezzlers ... the only question is - when ???
            And so then - maybe found, or maybe not ...

            Someone after so many "sentenced to 10 years, forgot to arrest", "convicted - works Head of Translation Control Bureau(!!!!!) "," stole-disappeared "- I stop believing in principle that under Stalin, anyone was imprisoned at all ...
            rather it will be like this - stole - gave dough - "forgot to arrest / made public censure / sent to lead the department"
            Quote: your1970
            (Rykov. - You have theft - has taken a household phenomenon, 85% of thefts are committed by ROSES, with the participation of the entire apparatus.

            Stole the cost of 8 plants and:
            "I scammed the common money - and blamed it on the taxi driver!" © Gentlemen of Fortune

            However, I'm tired of convincing you of anything.
            For myself, I have long concluded: total thieves and corruption under Stalin - documented bitter true. It will be mastered by the usual methods (they must have the brains and the knowledge to prove economic crimes !!!) - therefore they sculpted everyone 58. It did not help ...
            it was about this that Steel spoke (I quoted an excerpt earlier)
            Quote: your1970

            "Comrade Stalin, making a report on the economic situation in the USSR at the Leningrad asset, drew attention to the fact that we have not yet created a moral atmosphere for the fight against theft. Talking about the merry theft of some fertik with a mustache, who stole in front of our eyes everyone, Comrade Stalin warned that there one measure of the GPU, one measure of repression cannot be limited, that more real measures are needed here than repression measures. We understand the value of these repressive measures, criminal in particular; we can apply them firmly and decisively enough! But we must admit by means of repressive measures alone, we will not do anything if we do not create such a mood in the environment surrounding the rogue, which would make every citizen look at a crook as a spy and traitor. Meanwhile, we often observe such phenomena when a rogue good-naturedly pat on the shoulder and even seem to approve of his dexterity and courage, when they talk about a clever thief and even quite loudly: here, they say, well done, - what amount he licked! .. "


            Quote: Alexander Green
            It indicates that there were some omissions, they were opened, voiced at the meeting, and then they will correct all the flaws,
            "Oh yes !!! we have always loved Unas reports! I specially singled out for you
            "Behind non-compliance repeated (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) directives to combat theft and abuse of communications - I order:
            1. The head of the Uzbek communications department, comrade Igoshkin, to be removed from his post and appointed to one of the regions of the Uzbek Republic as the head of the regional communications department. "- and I thought - in the basement at Lubyanka immediately ....there was such a naive faith
          25. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 12 May 2020 00: 25
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            However, I’m tired of convincing you of anything .... but I thought - to the basement on the Lubyanka right away .... there was such a naive faith.

            So convince the liberalists who shout about the terrible Stalinist repression. and the Gulag. Why are you convincing me?
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 35
    0
    Such cases ultimately led to the Stalinist laws that everyone knew. In Europe, 400 years ago, people weren’t brought up
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 4 May 2020 09: 24
    -2
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    Nitrates were poured, especially here, in the Non-Chernozem Region on the principle of how much they sent, and used so much, that is, from the bulldozer.

    in Moldova, the soil was so poisoned with nitrates and pesticides that artesian water with multiple excesses of MPC is still there.

    When we went to the grapes, the whole group began to dry for three days until they got used to it: it’s impossible to wash off all the hands in pesticides, the boots are blue and white from poisons, in other places it’s impossible to breathe from chemical fumes ...
  • helvetic
    helvetic 3 May 2020 16: 03
    +3
    You are probably so illiterate or malicious that you "forget" that it is not correct to compare mortality under the modern demographic and social model and the analogous model of thirty years ago. Roughly speaking, the greater the number of children, the greater the death rate among young people and its influence on all indicators "in the hospital".
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 17: 53
      +2
      And I didn’t talk about mortality, but about the massive use of chemicals in the agriculture of the USSR.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 3 May 2020 14: 01
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Green

    Today, those who grew up during the Soviet era and ate real foods live longer, this is not the merit of today's life. Those who are growing today will not live so much today, not a single conscript in the army can be found 100% healthy today.

    This is what they ate healthy ??
    Pesticidal - herbicidal vegetables and fruits? Hard chewing gum with a bunch of bacon called cervelat sausage? Little blue hens? (You can’t tell me about their naturalness - I saw normal chickens in both Israel and Germany, a friend from Russia made soup from Israeli chickens - he says, it tastes like my GRAND VILLAGE - from the yard, under the Union). Normal food, yeah ...
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 15: 44
      +2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      This is what they ate healthy ??
      Pesticidal - herbicidal vegetables and fruits?


      And in Germany and Israel, natural food is not affordable for ordinary people; they are treated with substitutes with various fillers. All hens are pumped up with all sorts of muck to grow faster, and fruits and vegetables with formalin, so as not to spoil. Eat - in your mouth for a long time bitterness remains.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 15: 52
        +1
        Natural product in any country is an expensive pleasure.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 17: 47
          0
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Natural product in any country is an expensive pleasure.

          But in the USSR it was everything and accessible to everyone.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 17: 52
            +3
            Then in all countries the products were natural. There were no such technologies yet, although they had already developed and even ended up in the USSR. And in the Russian Empire, 100% of the products were grown without the use of chemistry. This is not the merit of the USSR, it is simply the lack of appropriate technology.
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 18: 31
              +2
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              Then in all countries the products were natural.

              Alas, I had to visit abroad regularly since 1969, and all the time I wondered where the abundance of food on the shelves was going on, they were all not for sale. It turns out that already some goods were stored for a long time, for example, milk in bags never soured, apples were chopped with formalin and doused with something like paraffin, fish and meat as soon as the smell appeared were also soaked in formalin, at best in potassium permanganate.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 May 2020 15: 55
        +3
        laughing
        Once again - after my friend from Russia bought a chicken in a cheap Israeli supermarket, cheap and ordinary, available for daily food to a cleaning lady and a security guard working for a minimum wage in capitalist Israel, he cooked it and ate it.
        His words - it looks like a VILLAGE chicken from the grandmother's yard in the village, back under the USSR.
        “Did the store ones taste different?” - I ask (and in general, why people are surprised at the taste of the COMMON CHICKEN?)
        - At cyanotic? Earth and sky. - He speaks.
        As for Germany - the same quality of products. I don’t remember the bitterness in my mouth after taking them - although I lived in the first for half a year and half a second in the second, I bought in different supermarkets and shops - from the cheapest and most expensive ones - I didn’t notice the difference in assortment in quality.
        Where do you live - share wink
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 17: 52
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          - At cyanotic? Earth and sky. - He speaks.

          You have lived over the hill for so many years and still do not understand that our "blue" chicken was without any harmful dietary supplements? And all foreign ones were stuffed with hormones and other muck? And that you were never surprised that apples are pumped with preservative?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 May 2020 18: 32
            +3
            And why was the taste of the cyanotic Soviet chicken strikingly different from the village chicken, while the "stuffed" Western chicken was identical to the natural one? ))
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 18: 37
            +2
            You are wrong. From the moment poultry farms appeared in the USSR, that is, industrial poultry farming, antibiotics and additives began to be used in it. And with pig breeding there was the same picture: we mastered Danish technology, unthinkable without additives and antibiotics.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 3 May 2020 18: 24
          +7
          But sausage in Israel is disgusting! negative Sorry buddy !!!
          I know that the felt-tip pens are different and the chemicals in Russia are more energetic ... But Israeli sausage sucks!
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 May 2020 18: 44
            +2
            Hello! Which one? )))
            Mortadella - tastier than a doctor’s, prosciutto - like norms, pastramas are all good. What did you buy, remember?
            If the "tea room", which usually goes in a set with cheap pastramkry thinly cut pieces, then yes, byaka)). There are also tasteless sausages like in "sticks".
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 3 May 2020 19: 02
              +5
              Yes FIG knows! Something boiled, sliced ​​and vacuum packed ..
              The taste of the "breakfasttourist" that I was for the first day and a half. Then it became easier. Usually I adapt longer, but the first person I saw, getting off the plane in Ovda, was a man, about thirty, in a suit, with an M-16 ... And somehow my heart felt relieved ... laughing
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 3 May 2020 19: 55
                +1
                So tea or greyish green like it is. That yes - it sucks completely. Well, then, I realized that you are safe. fellow ))
  • Fat
    Fat 3 May 2020 20: 02
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Today, those who grew up during the Soviet era and ate real foods live longer, this is not the merit of today's life.

    The history of the appearance of imitated caviar
    The imitated appearance of caviar was first made in factories in the Brezhnev years. It was made in the USSR, thanks to the Institute of Organoelement Compounds, headed by academician Nesmeyanov.
    The composition of the product, which was to become the most popular product for every citizen of the councils, included egg white. The manufacturing technique was as follows: balls of caviar were formed from an egg mixture and heated in sunflower oil.
    The first batch was called Iskra. Later, gelatin was added to it and each egg was cooled. The novelty had a more natural color and consistency and was more economical for factories ...
    How many more scientific teams created superfoods for the Soviet people?
    Reconstituted milk and "powdered" sour cream also came to us from the USSR
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 9 May 2020 09: 05
    0
    Just in the wake of the 90s expanded the list of sores for the challenge in the call. And that’s all. They called me here and Vasya did not itch. And now I would live - they did not call. And the diagnosis has become much better. And I saw such people that I was amazed at how they were generally taken into the army. In a person with nerves and coordination in any way. But there was a plan and they took it.
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 31
    0
    Guys, I was recently being repaired here in the former Sverdlovka hospital, where no one would have let me into the threshold at the USSR. She was only for nomenclature. Now - please, both for money and for quota.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 3 May 2020 13: 55
    +2
    By the way, I had to go to the closed hospitals and clinics of Lechsanupra of the USSR for white people — this, of course, was heaven and earth in comparison with ordinary institutions ...

    Adherents of return to the USSR forget about this
    1. helvetic
      helvetic 3 May 2020 16: 13
      0
      To get to these institutions, it was not necessary to be a party functionary. For example, oil workers, geologists and members of their families calmly sent there (personal experience, Tyumen region). Special clinics were for those who worked in the direction necessary for the state, and not for those with a pocket full.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 May 2020 16: 30
        +6
        Moreover, the highest priority was the management of urban, regional, etc. committees of the CPSU, and teachers and engineers with foundry workers, say, did not succeed in such an honor. Not to mention less conscious peasants laughing
        Question - where is the declared equality of workers?
        1. helvetic
          helvetic 3 May 2020 16: 39
          -2
          And why the plebeian (for the Western Eurasian culture of alphabetic writing) pictorial image? Equality will not be for everyone until communism comes along. The American Dream is also not for the majority. But the coverage of free medical institutions was much greater than in countries of comparable size (USA, Canada), and certainly much more than now. By the way, a special clinic, like Scandinavia now, is not a guarantee. In the same institution, where in 1988, without any connections, they undertook to treat the grandson of a technical school teacher, fifteen years earlier the "advanced" dentist had removed all the teeth of the notorious BE Shcherbina.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 May 2020 16: 56
            +6
            In other words, the functionaries of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union identified themselves as elites. But, having understood that even being privileged people in their own country, they can catch up with the working people of the same West Germany (let us leave the US health care system — the country is imprisoned for make money, poor — it’s our own fault) in terms of the quality of medical services received through the Bismarovo health insurance system. An example - the same Andropov could correct kidney problems in Germany, but, being a decent person, he refused this, having died earlier, being treated in the Union. As a result, having decided to openly use the achievements of the decaying West, they destroyed the country, becoming capitalists)).
            And why? Because they were INEFFECT.
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 31
    0
    I have never agreed with you.
    But here I will support 100%.
  • svp67
    svp67 3 May 2020 08: 29
    +10
    Quote: kalibr
    You can write anything

    Only if certain rules (written or unwritten) are not violated. And in this case, there is a violation. It is not just that in the USA in the cinemas there was an inscription "Don't shoot at the taper, plays as best he can ...". So it is with us, you CAN'T insult the author !!! You can disagree with his opinion, argue, but not go over to insults.
    And at the expense of the article. Yes, it was hard, but there is a huge difference between the time and the modern. People lived in hope and faith that everything will be fixed. And the situation was getting better, it’s enough to compare the cities of the 60s, 70s and 80s.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 3 May 2020 11: 11
      -6
      Quote: svp67
      Only if certain rules (written or unwritten) are not violated. And in this case, there is a violation. It is not just that in the USA in the cinemas there was an inscription "Don't shoot at the taper, plays as best he can ...". So it is with us, you CAN'T insult the author !!! You can disagree with his opinion, argue, but not go over to insults.

      100% support!
      Quote: svp67
      And at the expense of the article. Yes, it was hard, but there is a huge difference between the time and the modern. People lived in hope and faith that everything will be fixed.

      And today, just live LONG.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 3 May 2020 12: 24
        +5
        Olgovich! Greetings! I began to write comments below today, but for you I will repeat ---- the census of 1898 in the Republic of Ingushetia. The only one in RI --- average age of life --- 30 years. !!!!!
        The privilege was to live longer with the ruling class. The merchants, the senators in the picture are elderly, the mother lived about 80 years old. If the average age is 30 years, how many people lived, if not merchants or nobles.
        It was under Stalin that life expectancy began to increase !.
        So it's not easy
        ......LIVE LONGER .......
        !!!!!!!!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 3 May 2020 13: 15
          -10%
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Olgovich! Greetings!

          Hello Dmitry!

          Quote: Reptiloid
          The privilege was to live longer with the ruling class. The merchants, the senators in the picture are elderly, the mother lived about 80 years old. If the average age is 30 years, how many people lived, if not merchants or nobles.

          People then did not live much less, but many babies died, which gave low indicators of life expectancy.

          My grandmother and grandfather (peasants) and their parents lived for 90-95 years, they didn’t go to the hospital polyclinics at all
          Quote: Reptiloid
          It was under Stalin that life expectancy began to increase !.
          So it's not easy

          WORLDWIDE at this time increased life expectancy.

          She grew up in Russia before the thief.

          And here is the result of the "struggle" of the party - the RUSSIAN CROSS - in all the unfortunate 70 years of its "successes".
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 May 2020 14: 11
        0
        Today they live longer and better.
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 3 May 2020 08: 49
    +14
    You read and marvel at the victims of the exam: skimp on numbers, without having any understanding of the elementary nature of time and events. 1962 - less than 20 years have passed since the war. This was the war when the whole of Europe tried to destroy and plunder the "scoop" (according to the author). Until the last minute, the freedom-loving French SS "Charlemagne" became the last defenders of the Reichstag and the Reich Chancellery, these are the Belgian SS divisions "Langemark" and "Wallonia", these are the grenadier regiments "Danmark" and "Norge" - Dutch volunteers. In 1962, I was a schoolboy - out of 31 people in our village class, up to 10 "reached" 30 (one was 2 years behind due to poor progress). 27 people entered institutes, universities and military schools "from the first step". No one died, no one contracted tuberculosis (by the way, to this day, 28 people are in good health). Of the 35 people of our graduation (university), 32 are still alive (3 people died - their classmates' heart could not stand it in the 90s). Out of 35 people: 2 are academicians, 8 are doctors of sciences, 14 are candidates of sciences. Well, the rest remained human. Apparently, it was hard to defend a doctoral dissertation at the Faculty of History, so the person contracted to "sprinkle" such articles. There are a lot of similar people now - “profession obliges”. Grind with your tongue - don't carry bags. How many years have passed since 1962? Computed tomographs, digital X-ray machines, .... AND ?????
    "About 100 people die of tuberculosis annually in the Penza region. The corresponding statistics were published by the regional department of Rospotrebnadzor on the eve of the world day against this infectious disease (it is celebrated on March 24).
    In 2017, 362 residents of the region were diagnosed with tuberculosis (in 2016 - 472), the incidence rate was 29,4 per 100 thousand population. "And in continuation" Success has been achieved in the fight against tuberculosis - mortality rates have decreased this year almost doubled from 1990 levels. However, in 2014, there were 1,5 million deaths from the disease. Most of these deaths could have been prevented, according to the Global Tuberculosis Report 2015, released today by WHO in Washington, DC. “On average, 8 out of a million Europeans die of tuberculosis every year, but the statistics differ from country to country. Lithuania is in the first place in mortality, where 60 people per million die of tuberculosis, in second place is Romania (50), and in third - Latvia (39). In neighboring Germany, a few years ago, there was no alarm about the likelihood of an increase in the number of patients with consumption, as the disease was formerly called, now it is perceived as one of the threats of the next decade.According to the Berliner Morgenpost, more than 4 thousand new cases of the disease are registered annually in the country, and the situation is especially unfavorable in the regions around Frankfurt and Berlin, where a large number of migrants.Many foreigners are outside the supervision of the state, and in relation to them cannot live compulsory measures of treatment were prescribed. Does the Czech Republic have a preventive strategy to contain TB in case of an increase in migration flows, and how many cases of TB detection among migrants in the Czech Republic are currently? ".....
    I will no longer "load" the "historically informed" graduates of the Faculty of History, former members of the CPSU. Work further in the field of lampoons on your past. Maybe you will get some attention. Better yet, go out to the central square of the city of Penza, take off your pants and ... Show your "proletarian ass" to the historical past of Penza medicine. Well, or let's say by the example of Pavlovsky, crack your genitals with a brick on the porch of the Spassky Cathedral. Then for sure !!!! the whole Russ will talk about you.
    1. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 3 May 2020 11: 13
      +4
      Quote: begemot20091
      I will no longer "load" the "historically informed" graduates of the Faculty of History, former members of the CPSU.

      It's useless.
      Because
      even though the site gathered a lot of experts on everything and everything, access to the archives, especially the archives of the OK CPSU, they do not have and rely only on their own memory and on what “the men in the smoking room said”

      Historians, like other professional humanitarians, rely only on some professional rules ... developed by them. Someone else's opinion, or rather, the opinion of specialists in other fields, including engineers, is of little interest to them and only when it does not violate their "historical" logic ... They also declare that they operate with versions, and have the truth only in the future .. ...
      The result is terrible accusations of Soviet power:
      The Bureau of the OK CPSU reported (the same document, p. 322) that at the Penza diesel plant a complaint is received for every sixth diesel engine released, but the situation cannot be rectified!

      I would be a professional, I would know how many marriages were "chased" in 1915, 1939, 1942, 1961, ..... 1990, 2020
      I would know that ... And I was delighted with the success of Penza diesel builders.
      And if I understood the reasons for marriage at different periods of the development of the Motherland, there was generally talk about something else.
      On the saturation of education with sciences, and a share in the formation of humanitarian delirium like "... even si in heaven ...." or "... while I see you you exist ..."

      For reference - the level of marriage is determined not only by the slackness and lack of professionalism of the workers, but also by the level of complexity of the product, the degree of mastery of the technologies used, the correspondence of the real education of the performers to the tasks being solved, ...

      I can imagine what historians will write when they read the documents on the work of KB S.P. Queen!!!!
      When Yu.A. Gagarin was returning from space, happened to him, heard from the astronaut Yu.M. Baturin, ... 13 (from memory) of emergency situations, simply troubles, - flew away completely wrong, it was not spinning foreseen ....

      Outlined a theme! Historians! You just have to climb into the archives, pull out certain facts and ... condemn the Soviet cosmonautics. Why is it better than Penza health care?

      And to other historians. Of course, you need to study the documents. During the training ...
      The main task of historians is to introduce new information about the past into public life, that is, live on the border between the past and the present and document eyewitness accounts, save the surviving technical rarities, and provide museumification of the passing era. And to do this is not selective ...
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 May 2020 14: 26
      +5
      1) In the early 60s, the standard of living in the FRG bombed out in the trash was already higher than in the neighboring GDR and than in the Union - to your possible objections that the Americans helped them, I’ll answer right away - they helped to a much lesser extent than the British and the French, and the pace of German economic growth was already higher then. In the 70s, the standard of living of West Germans also became higher. Outperformed the less bombed and more received shaves and francs. Why? Quality management.
      2) 27 people came from the first call - well done. And of course, priority was given to rural cadres upon admission. lol
      3) Alive - this was how they ate from the yard of the garden, and not from what was in the Soviet stores.
      4) Tuberculosis - yes, the scourge of Europe))))
      1. helvetic
        helvetic 3 May 2020 16: 22
        +1
        Not just the quality of governance and the Marshall Plan. Also - actually cartel relations with former economic competitors (since 1951 - ECSC) and extremely modest own defense costs (in fact, they remained under American occupation, feline borders). + Maintaining the continuity of technological development and personnel with a colossal fall in the cost of labor. + destruction / finishing off the aristocracy and violent activation of the capital of the former landowners (Erhard's reform, read Köppen's Doves in the Grass) + openness of the American market and access to all technologies. Here and it is impossible to compare - if not shed tears about the war - the conditions for Germany and Japan were just ideal. Neither Britain and France, who tried to pursue an independent policy, nor, even more so, the USSR, had nothing of the kind.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 May 2020 20: 18
          +3
          This, too, but not everything was so rosy about defense spending - they were minor, but sensitive to a country broken into rubbish. Access to all technologies - yes, I agree. But let's not forget about the breakdown of multiple economic chains and ties due to the division of the country into two practically warring parts - Japan, for example, did not have this. Yapov had another problem - the lack of fossils)).
      2. begemot20091
        begemot20091 3 May 2020 20: 09
        +1
        Firstly, for the villagers in general, the problem was with admission - the problem of passports (read the story). Secondly: well, we did not have a summer cottage and a large vegetable garden - 3 acres of the entire plot in a Siberian village, where 9 months is winter, and the rest is cold. Thirdly, there were no such priorities. all the more so at the faculties related to applied physics. we received more than 200 people for 50 places that year. of them priority: to workers' faculty who have served urgently. Yes, there were "encouragements" while studying - I did not pass the session - go ahead, chasing the Soviet Army, every summer - construction detachments - there was no retreat.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 May 2020 20: 21
          +4
          So - there was a quality school)). As for the products - what years are we talking about? And none of those who lived in adulthood in the USSR really could explain to me - why was it so terrible in the Soviet term that they were afraid of it like fire?
  • sniperino
    sniperino 3 May 2020 09: 35
    +8
    Quote: kalibr
    here it is the legacy of the "collective farm" - visible rudeness
    I would like to challenge this statement. Rudeness is not a derivative of the economy in general and the form of management in particular. Having abandoned the traditional form of social consciousness that regulates moral relations between people, the Marxists did not find an adequate replacement for it. Religion provides people with a holistic semantic space for moral reflection of their perception of others, their emotions and intentions in relation to them. This space of "the other world" is an opportunity (for believers - a necessity) of a mental exit from the situation and a moral assessment of their single action in relation to another or other people as significant for their whole life. Ham just lacks this, for him it does not matter at all against the background of his own satiety and well-being. Herzen saw and described the "coming boor" in the European philistinism, and Merezhkovsky carried out a philosophical analysis of this phenomenon and gave it this name. Ham did not leave the collective farm hi
    1. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 3 May 2020 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: sniperino
      This space of "the other world" is an opportunity (for believers - a necessity) of a mental exit from the situation and a moral assessment of their single action in relation to another or other people as significant for their whole life.

      I agree in many ways.
      But religion is not the point.
      Before the revolution, when everyone went to churches, there was less rudeness ???
      Or only commoners "reflected" on the state of society with cultural benevolence.
      Or the nobility, with rare exceptions, commoners were not called boorish ...

      So the Marxists have nothing to do with it.
      Moreover, only atheists who understand that the promised afterlife do not have the opportunity to absolve themselves of sins. And they know that the only opportunity to change the situation is not to put candles and donate to the bells, but to correct the situation right now.
      For atheists there is neither indulgence, nor forgiveness of the after-confession, no belief in the afterlife justice and the triumph of justice for everyone by itself ...
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 3 May 2020 12: 31
        +1
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Before the revolution, when everyone went to churches, was there less rudeness?
        The question is interesting. I know how to conduct a comparative historical and psychological study and obtain reliable data on the historical types of rudeness in different periods in one country. But how to count them in order to answer the question about more or less ... request You know? I believe that the answer to it will always be subjective, but with some pretense to "scientific", since the assessment will be given from the subjective system of moral coordinates. In short, yes, less.
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 3 May 2020 12: 50
          +1
          Quote: sniperino
          The question is interesting. I know how to conduct a comparative historical and psychological study and obtain reliable data on the historical types of rudeness in different periods in one country. But how to count them ...

          Great jump from the topic.
          I will answer based on family tradition.
          My great-grandfather began serving in the Guards crew as a young man.
          Participated in the Russian-Turkish, inflicted ferries on the Danube. I got the medal ...

          So, he said that in the Guards crew officers of the sailors did not hit in the face.

          And this was a rare case of the absence of rudeness in imperial time ...
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 3 May 2020 13: 01
            -2
            Quote: Sergey S.
            And this was a rare case of the absence of rudeness in imperial time ...
            Great-grandfather said so "a rare case of the absence of rudeness in tsarist times"? Didn't you say if the sailor got hit in the face for the cause? laughing
            1. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 3 May 2020 13: 23
              +7
              Quote: sniperino
              Great-grandfather said so "a rare case of the absence of rudeness in tsarist times"? Didn't you say if the sailor got hit in the face for the cause?

              I see no reason to laugh.
              Then my great-grandfather went to the "Rynda" with Abelen to the Russian semicircle.
              He retired in 1906 from the post of medical assistant to the 18th naval crew in the XNUMXth grade (lieutenant) with his personal nobility. He was strict in the family! But so that the assault ... only after a towel - the grandmother told.

              And more.
              Ordinary people may not be educated, do not know etiquette.
              A famous case with Yu.A. Gagarin at the reception of the British Queen ...
              Rudeness is different - when a jerk with a piece of paper says "you" to the cleaner, when the teachers talk and "don't notice" the student who comes up, when the manager doesn't listen to the subordinate, when they swear in front of women and children, ...
              What does Marxism have to do with it?
              Here it is just right to think about the dangers of worldviews built on ideological postulates.
              in Nietzscheanism, for example ...
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 3 May 2020 13: 38
                -1
                Quote: Sergey S.
                I see no reason to laugh
                You ignored my 2 questions, but make a complaint about the teething ball? Do you communicate with the ball or with me, I don’t understand ...
                1. Sergey S.
                  Sergey S. 3 May 2020 14: 12
                  +3
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  I see no reason to laugh
                  You ignored my 2 questions, but make a complaint about the teething ball? Do you communicate with the ball or with me, I don’t understand ...

                  Questions - is this this ???
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Great-grandfather said so "a rare case of the absence of rudeness in tsarist times"? Didn't you say if the sailor got hit in the face for the cause?

                  Great-grandfather died in the first blockade winter. Of course he is not for me to "say so".
                  But the key to understanding for the reader with any level of imagination has been given.
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  I will answer based on family tradition.

                  Your second question is exclusively on the topic.
                  Only it is not about "mattress".
                  In addition, I’ll tell you that such an attitude to persons wearing the rank of a sailor is inferior in the naval hierarchy, it’s impossible to classify anything other than rudeness.

                  The story of the Guard crew is about this.

                  And at first I thought that answering these questions directly was inconvenient.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 3 May 2020 14: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Sergey S.
                    And at first I thought that answering these questions directly was inconvenient.
                    Strange affair. If
                    teachers talk and "do not notice" the approaching student
                    , this is rudeness, and if you "do not notice" the questions of your opponent, whom you yourself have drawn into the discussion, then this
                    found it directly inconvenient to answer
                    It’s conveniently arranged ... Boorish advice: do not attract anything personal and expensive as arguments in a dispute, all the more so do not draw by the ears. In a dispute, they laugh at the arguments, but not at your great-grandfather, but you start up and start openly typing and then be rude.
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 36
            +3
            In the Soviet Army, they didn’t beat us in the face, for jambs such as drunkenness, self-propelled guns and other arts? Did you serve in the army?
            Do you think when the kings there were no drunkards and self-propelled gunners?
            1. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 3 May 2020 13: 41
              +2
              About rudeness at all times ... unfortunately, I know. I saw, received, myself somehow ...

              I got turned on only because of an attempt to shove rudeness on the "Marxists" and because of enthusiasm for religion, allegedly saving from rudeness ...
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 3 May 2020 14: 12
                -1
                Quote: Sergey S.
                I wound up only because of an attempt to shove rudeness on the "Marxists"
                You will be hit by misunderstanding, so start.
                1. Sergey S.
                  Sergey S. 3 May 2020 14: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: sniperino
                  You will be hit by misunderstanding, so start.

                  ?????????????? ..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  Do not understand.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 3 May 2020 15: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Sergey S.
                    ?????????????
                    ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑
            2. chenia
              chenia 3 May 2020 15: 49
              -1
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              In the Soviet Army they didn’t beat us in the face


              They were beaten (officers), but very rarely, in exceptional cases. For, often the alternative for a fighter was prison. And who abused flew out of the army with a bang.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 15: 55
                +1
                In RI, officers also did not particularly abuse the assault, it was not comme il faut. They hit the unter teeth - crickets, basically. In the Navy they were called skins.
                1. chenia
                  chenia 3 May 2020 16: 10
                  0
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  the officers also didn’t particularly abuse the assault,


                  The SA was also considered dishonest. Moreover, the political guys were atrocious about this.
                  And sergeants, yes!
              2. your1970
                your1970 3 May 2020 21: 34
                +4
                Quote: chenia
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                In the Soviet Army they didn’t beat us in the face


                They were beaten (officers), but very rarely, in exceptional cases. For, often the alternative for a fighter was prison. And who abused flew out of the army with a bang.

                Tsstststststs .... extremely rare ... lol
                In 1989, in Kushka, the duty officer went into the barracks only after sending the cartridge to the chamber, for it was fraught - the Afghans were under an amnesty, they were waiting for the demobilization, they did not care who they beat when drunk ....
                And the usual scuffle ... the wildest case is when 2 Uzbeks for slowly found cigarettes were kicked to death by an Uzbek (!!) from their (!!!) aul ... they went on a demobilization last, an amnesty.,
                And how the local Turkmens were afraid of them ... they wrote to the Central Committee of the CPSU, Gorbachev, to the KGB of the USSR ...
                1. chenia
                  chenia 3 May 2020 21: 39
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  In 1989, on duty in Kushka

                  Yes, but then the wild times came - no law, no truth.
                  But then I was in Ukraine.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 3 May 2020 22: 33
                    +2
                    There were still Soviet times, before the collapse of the USSR, there were another 3 years
      2. fuxila
        fuxila 4 May 2020 09: 32
        0
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Moreover, only atheists who understand that the promised afterlife do not have the opportunity to absolve themselves of sins. And they know that the only opportunity to change the situation is not to put candles and donate to the bells, but to correct the situation right now.
        For atheists there is neither indulgence, nor forgiveness of the after-confession, no belief in the afterlife justice and the triumph of justice for everyone by itself ...

        I believe that this is precisely why the atheistic USSR has reached a dead end ... So I am Orthodox and always keep in mind that I will have to answer for everything I have said and done, sooner or later, and an atheist, which is called "on a drum," can get nasty , if you know that they will not give a tambourine, and steal, if you know that they will not go to jail. For me, earthly life is a short moment, after which eternity will come (in hell or heaven), but for an atheist life is only here and now, and therefore it is necessary to use it to the fullest. I have a second cousin of a one-year-old atheist who has lived his life walking among women, abusing alcohol, bringing grief to his loved ones. And to all the exhortations he says: "We only live once!" I remember when we studied Ostrovsky "How the Steel Was Tempered" at school, many were surprised (or even directly called him a fool) why Korchagin was so angry, because he did not even have children for whom it was worth sacrificing himself so much.
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 4 May 2020 11: 28
          +3
          Quote: fuxila
          I believe that this is why the atheistic USSR came to a standstill ...

          The paradox is that they did the revolution, they blew up the temples, they committed atrocities in civil ... citizens brought up in the lessons of the Law of God ...
          But .... God forbid, I’m just saying that K. Marx is not to blame for all sins.
          Moreover, the USSR, as it turned out, was not an atheist country.
          It turned out that even former and not only former party members .... together with the EBN they illuminated themselves with the sign of the Cross ... and stole, robbed, lied ...
          Quote: fuxila
          So I am Orthodox and always keep in mind that sooner or later I will have to answer for everything said and done by me, and an atheist, as they say, “on the drum,” can get nasty if you know that they won't give a tambourine, and steal if you know they won't go to jail.

          But the Orthodox still hopes for God's mercy ...
          This hope is needed in order to allow indulgences ...
          Quote: fuxila
          I have a second cousin of a one-year-old atheist who has lived his life walking among women, abusing alcohol, bringing grief to his loved ones. And to all exhortations he says: "We only live once!"

          I doubt very much that this man is a Marxist — there are simply not a lot of brains (sorry for a relative).
          The Orthodox can say the same ...
          This is not a question of ideology, but of conscience.
          Why someone decided that conscience and religion are one and the same, I can’t understand.
          Personally familiar with unscrupulous Orthodox and conscientious communists.
          Quote: fuxila
          I remember when we studied Ostrovsky "How the Steel Was Tempered" at school, many were surprised (or even directly called him a fool) why Korchagin was so angry, because he did not even have children for whom it was worth sacrificing himself so much.

          So you yourself support my point of view.

          God forbid me from persecuting the Orthodox.
          With all due respect ... to conscientious people.
          1. fuxila
            fuxila 4 May 2020 15: 26
            +1
            they made a revolution, churches were blown up, they committed atrocities into civilians ... citizens brought up in the lessons of the Law of God ...

            I agree, only by the beginning of the twentieth century. faith has already been greatly lost and this was the end of a process that began long before 1917. Similarly, in the 90s. Soviet people were completely robbing themselves, and not ordinary people, but partnomenclature like EBN and Gaidar, and many ordinary Soviet people also robbed and killed each other, straying into criminal gangs, with some kind of sadistic cruelty ...
            I doubt very much that this man is a Marxist — there are simply not a lot of brains (sorry for a relative).

            Not a Marxist, and I didn’t even hint at it ... But to think that people lead a wild life only from the absence of brains is complete primitivism. This is not even confirmed by the example of my relative, who is valued and kept at work even with all the drunken hops.
            Why someone decided that conscience and religion are one and the same, I can’t understand.

            Probably because in the Orthodox teaching there is still a definition of conscience - this is a spark of God, and what kind of conscience is not clear for atheist materialists. One atheist, Adolf Aloizovich, even called her a chimera ...
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 5 July 2020 21: 25
            0
            Quote: Sergey S.
            It turned out that even former and not only former party members .... together with the EBN they illuminated themselves with the sign of the Cross ... and stole, robbed, lied ...

            The answer is simple: Repent and forgive your sins. They were taught not to see them at school. Morally, any crime can be justified, a thousand reasons can be found. It’s not a matter of religion, but of conscience
  • rocket757
    rocket757 3 May 2020 10: 13
    +4
    AUTO RU.
    THE TRUTH IS SOMEWHERE NEAR!
    I just want to remind you that personal opinion is a subjective perception of an event!
    Never and everyone here writes that in the Land of the Soviets everything was butter; Many people have a desire to make an objective assessment of events.
    You have not made a comparison of how many people here give one or another assessment of events, but have already written that some opinion here is "favorite", as if prevailing !!!
    What does it mean?
    You give your own, subjective, assessment of the participants in .....
    In fact, the events that are indicated in the article .... THIS WAS, but there were many other things, MISCELLANEOUS!
    BUT, everything is relative! Not for nothing, those Yankees indicated Svidomo that they live clearly better than in some other countries! And this is in response to the moaning of the skakuas that they feel bad, nobody loves them, GIVE, GIVE us everything at once .....
    The truth is somewhere near!
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 12: 20
    +3
    Good article. And then here many naively think that the Soviet means excellent. But somehow I will throw here real documents about the work of the GA in the 80s.
  • helvetic
    helvetic 3 May 2020 17: 17
    0
    Good afternoon. Of course, this is a popular site, but do you really want to go to the category of Latin with their "oscilloscope arrows"? If I wanted to really convey information, and not attract violent abuse in the comments, it would probably be worth refraining from the name, which contains an obvious emotional assessment.
    1. kalibr
      4 May 2020 18: 03
      -1
      Quote: helvetic
      Of course, this is a popular site.

      That's it!
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 3 May 2020 22: 14
    +1
    Quote: kalibr
    You can write whatever you want. Before you is an official document reflecting the realities of that life. All data are given in the text. I didn't invent it. So it was and there was no getting away from it. Are you satisfied with the position of the ostrich? Well, let the head not be visible, the ass is sticking out anyway. And by the way, this is the legacy of the "collective farm" - visible rudeness. A little something wrong - immediately "surname", immediately "crap", mental retardation ... All this you demonstrate only the low level of culture of a typical "scoop". That is, old age has silvered you only on the outside, but what was inside did not turn you into silver.


    Shpakovsky in his repertoire. D - moron. That is the definition. There is a group of people, sick people. We worry about them. Moderators, this is not an insult. This is universal grief. Dream - buffoons, shpakovsky ... et seter. Suddenly heal. What kind of titans thoughts we get for society. Just a lobotomy. No pain relief.
  • Simargl
    Simargl 4 May 2020 07: 24
    +3
    On the one hand, a heart operation was performed, on the other ... 80th year, Novosibirsk ... No ultrasound - a real-time x-ray for a 5-year-old.
    Almost always in hospitals all places are occupied.
    You need to look for a good specialist.
    At 9 years old, he spread his leg ... at the entrance there is one phone for 15 apartments, but not accessible - there is nobody there, the nearest payphone is torn off for a couple of years ... while they waited for an ambulance, the wound began to heal itself, probably ... in an ambulance injuries and a woman in childbirth ... of course, this is not entirely medicine, but the state of everything and everything around. Yes, the water on the 5th floor of the house wasn’t normal as long as I remember: there was always an open tap in the bathroom so that it would be typed in a thin stream ... Stakhanov / Kadievka.
    Yes, there were cities where it was better. True, I was not there almost.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 3 May 2020 07: 14
    -2
    Quote: Dead Day
    also on the "recharge" from the oligarchfrenia?

    hi You are, to put it mildly, wrong. I think he's for "recharge" long ago established personal ties with the "historian writers" of enlightened Europe. And now he quietly has "copyright" from their programs, helping the barbarians.
    1. kalibr
      3 May 2020 07: 20
      -5
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And now he quietly has "copyright" from their programs, helping the barbarians.

      Expose! And you will have moral satisfaction. Give the UFSB phone number in the Penza region, or will you find it yourself on the Web?
  • Buxlov
    Buxlov 3 May 2020 08: 05
    +6
    Quote: Dead Day
    and you, that one more ... "fruit" ... well, yes, the name says, you creature raised on our own money. the USSR raised you with a hoopoe, and you shit at the Parent

    Familiar tactics ... Dirt pouring on the past to whitewash the current chaos of the capitalist paradise in Russia.! soldier
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 59
      +4
      Dirt will not stick to dirt. But the truth must be known.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 3 May 2020 09: 15
    +6
    Quote: Dead Day
    Vyacheslav Shpakovsky
    and you, that one more ... "fruit" ... well, yes, the name says, you creature raised on our own money. You were raised by the USSR hoopoe, and you shit at the Parent, now you will certainly support "optimization"? here it is - optimization, all home. you're done ...
    .Soviet Paradise.
    better than the capitalist! Are you also on "recharge" from the oligarchfrenia?

    This creativity is aimed at what would, against the background of the complete degradation of the "muddy present", finally wipe out bright and bright pastwhen they built and built.
    The author operates with data of half a century ago and loses sight of the fact that after the war at that time only 18 years have passed, during which the period of restoration of destroyed cities and factories fell. It does not take into account the fact that more than 20 million people died, including a large number of medical workers, who also need time to restore their human resources. Shot courses will not work. I don’t know why the author is not interested in delving into the last years of tsarism and not comparing the “soviet” year 1962 with medical assistance to the population at least in 1912. Here and there half a century of time and the picture is already more contrasting, and not in favor of the monarch. It is interesting that by brandishing the certificate as a verdict to the system, the author overlooks what it calls "On the state and measures to improve medical care"- that is, the objective picture was reflected and measures were planned to improve... Much more interesting would be how things were in 1972, 10 years after the appearance of this certificate. I have no doubt that the changes were colossal and for the better. Against the background of the collapse of modern medicine, the liquidation of thousands of hospitals and clinics and tens of thousands of hospital beds, including infectious diseases, the reduction of medical staff as a result of "optimization", an article is fired about how bad it was in the "scoop". Frankly gives some sort of second series - "Zuleikha gets an enema."
    1. kalibr
      3 May 2020 16: 44
      +3
      That is, you are interested in learning how things were in 1972, did I understand you correctly?
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 3 May 2020 22: 41
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        That is, you are interested in learning how things were in 1972, did I understand you correctly?

        Absolutely right. It would be nice to bring the data of this certificate with those indicators that developed in medical care as of 1972. Is it logical? I cannot make someone's opinion and form an unambiguous perception of the past with a negative bias, looking at the past exclusively through the TV series "Zuleikha ..." and other movie shit on the topic of "a hopeless and bloody past", since I have archival materials on my hands, namely letters from prisoners of "Sevzheldorlag" from 1941-42, who built a railway to Vorkuta and a bridge across the Vychegda river in the area of ​​Madmas-Mezhog, with their autobiographical data, articles and terms, which they indicated with their own hand, with a request to send them to the front for protection Homeland, and I will note, they wanted to defend the homeland that condemned them. There are all sorts of people there, who chopped people down with a sword, counter-revolutionaries and other "enemies of the people" from those whose lifestyle, according to their own words, did not correspond to the appearance and morality of a Soviet person, but they did not want to sit out in camps when Germany attacked the USSR. By the way, Solzhenitsyn deliberately did everything in order to get into the camp from the front line and sit there and thereby save his life. True, it is one, but some interpret it as they want and try to impose their "truth" on the majority, which is far from true.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 3 May 2020 05: 53
    +13
    So it’s under Khrushchev, a large number of colleagues on the site know that he is a Trotskyist, which means that the government was Trotskyist, as I understand the comments of the people on the site (who lived under Stalin) reached its climax in development in 1953, and after the death of the leader began degradation and decline of development that ended in collapse. Publish data before 1953.
    1. codetalker
      codetalker 3 May 2020 06: 02
      +9
      That data will not be better. It must be understood that the brilliant leader Stalin was in his place in the hardest years for our country. And development really reached its climax, but there was a war ...
    2. kalibr
      3 May 2020 06: 19
      -7
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Publish data before 1953.

      Do you really want this? Are you not afraid to be disappointed?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 3 May 2020 06: 40
        +15
        Personally, I’m not afraid. The country came out of a terrible war. And the restoration took quite a while.
        1. kalibr
          3 May 2020 06: 46
          -5
          Then which year are you most interested in? "Orders for" poslevirus "are accepted"
      2. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 3 May 2020 07: 17
        +5
        Hello! My comment is pure sarcasm! And so yes, I would like to see data from an earlier time, in order to know how good it was under Stalin.
        1. kalibr
          3 May 2020 07: 42
          -6
          Quote: Pessimist22
          to know how it was good under Stalin.

          I promise to see it. I myself wonder ... The only question is what years to take. What would you personally be interested in?
          1. Pessimist22
            Pessimist22 3 May 2020 07: 54
            +6
            For example, I’m interested in how things were in the pre-war years, how Soviet people lived after 20 years of building socialism, in the countryside, away from the center. Although I read a lot and imagine how it was, I would like facts.
            1. kalibr
              3 May 2020 08: 04
              -6
              Quote: Pessimist22
              Although I read a lot and imagine how it was, I would like facts.

              There will be an article about the peasants of the USSR for 1933 based on the materials of the newspaper PRAVDA. But after that there will be a break - the archives do not work.
    3. Buxlov
      Buxlov 3 May 2020 08: 15
      +6
      Quote: Pessimist22
      So it’s under Khrushchev, a large number of colleagues on the site know that he is a Trotskyist, which means that the government was Trotskyist, as I understand the comments of the people on the site (who lived under Stalin) reached its climax in development in 1953, and after the death of the leader began degradation and decline of development,

      Even Mao Zedong said in plain text that the heroes of the "Tashkent front" seized power in the USSR after Stalin's death ...

      And it’s not without reason that they are trying to pit us with China, and especially at that time ..
    4. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 3 May 2020 08: 25
      +6
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Publish data before 1953. The USSR reached its climax in development in 1953, and after the death of the leader, degradation and decline of development began
      Not certainly in that way. After the departure of Stalin, Beria and rearrangements in the apparatus of power, the colossus of the state moved by inertia. Launched programs and projects. Therefore, the peak is in time for the year 60-62. Much was instantly stopped and canceled, such as the mainland-Sakhalin tunnel, the northern latitudinal railway / railway, etc.
      The USSR reached its climax in development in 1953 in terms of the development of spirituality and democracy (although then such terms were not used).
      Publish data before 1953.And what do you want to see? After the Second World War, we solved other problems. Not raising and improving people's living standards, but the restoration of the country and Eastern Europe.
  • apro
    apro 3 May 2020 05: 58
    +11
    The author again jerked ... and the title was pleasant ... refusal of hospitalization. And below it will bring an explanation. And everything will fall into place. If then it was done to improve. But now only to worsen the state of health.
  • codetalker
    codetalker 3 May 2020 05: 58
    +5
    For those who are engaged in this field, it is no secret that the Russian healthcare system is the legal successor (which is obvious) of the Soviet system, inherited from it all the shortcomings. Some were aggravated, some were smoothed out. By historical standards, mass free medicine has appeared recently. And this is the merit of the Soviet government. But to bring it to an acceptable quality is our task.
  • alekc75
    alekc75 3 May 2020 06: 00
    +5
    everything was so bad ???? author, can you live in vain then? It was necessary to immediately die and do not suffer !!
    1. Donald72
      Donald72 3 May 2020 06: 03
      -8
      alekc75 I understand that now you feel sick and you are already washing a rope for yourself.
      1. alekc75
        alekc75 3 May 2020 06: 42
        +6
        I'm good! and I am familiar with the medicine of that time — no need to blame everything on separate places in the USSR!
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 3 May 2020 08: 36
      0
      Quote: alekc75
      everything was so bad ???? author, can you live in vain then? It was necessary to immediately die and do not suffer !!

      Faith and grants do not allow the author: It’s a little awkward, there is still where. request It reminds me of a satire from the Kukryniksy: A Western tourist photographs the contents of a garbage can.
      1. kalibr
        4 May 2020 18: 01
        +2
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        photographs the contents of the garbage tank.

        How badly do you speak about the OK CPSU archive ...
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 3 May 2020 06: 35
    +5
    It cannot be said that in the USSR it was only bad, success was a fact, but when you read some authors and commentators praising it as an earthly paradise, it becomes ridiculous.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 3 May 2020 08: 41
      -2
      Quote: Dart2027
      The USSR was only bad, success was a fact, but when you read some authors and commentators praising it as an earthly paradise, it becomes ridiculous.

      You will live in modern hell, and the Sahara desert will seem like an oasis, and only the USSR of the early 60s ..... a paradise of justice and goodness. After Stalin, the bureaucracy has not yet expanded and gained strength.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 3 May 2020 09: 50
        +7
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        You will live in modern hell

        I am in Russia and live. Problems have been and always will be, but hell is not necessary.
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 4 May 2020 11: 23
          -3
          Quote: Dart2027
          Problems have been and always will be, but about hell do not.

          You must Fedya, you must. Juvenile justice, the Unified State Examination, the police, you won’t release a child into the yard without supervision, prostitution and blue-pink. Do you know about the USSR or tell the future? The comparison gives an idea of ​​the lost paradise with 3 varieties of mayonnaise and the presence of a real hell with 20 types of packaging of mayonnaise.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 4 May 2020 14: 36
            +1
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Do you know about the USSR or

            It is known. There was no hell then, no now. 90th survived.
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 5 July 2020 21: 32
            0
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Unified State Examination

            Yes, you already got it with your USE. This is just an assessment of knowledge. If a person does not want to study, no USE will save. I got a certificate, go do whatever you want, life will teach. Moreover, the army.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 38
        +3
        Live in Russia. I don’t watch hell, obviously we live no worse than before. Are you sure you live in Russia?
        1. helvetic
          helvetic 3 May 2020 16: 48
          -2
          The old song - "Who Lives Well in Russia" ... Naturally, for someone it is no worse than before. Especially if you don't engage in science. Scientists are a whole social stratum, practically thrown back into the 30th century by the last XNUMX years.
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 4 May 2020 11: 31
          -2
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          I don’t watch hell

          There are a lot of things. Lack of glasses, dirty windows, young age .......
          obviously we live no worse than before.
          compared to what? 1913? What will we compare, the number of machines, the number of sausage varieties (I do not recommend comparing the quality repeat )
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 3 May 2020 07: 02
    +15
    Information on the condition and measures to improve medical services in the cities and working villages of the region (Appendix to paragraph 17, etc. 7. Minutes of the meeting of the Bureau of the CPSU OK from 14.01/16.03.1963 to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    In fact, such protocols of party committees exist by year. And you need to consider them in dynamics ---- what it was possible to fix for the reporting period, and where else party control remains to be exercised. Such control existed everywhere, in all cities and villages, in all republics of the immense Union.
    By the way, the figures given by the author are funny compared to the present. Since the USSR in those years was not built to enrich developers, it was simply that demography was a plus, and besides, the party was steadily developing the theme of improving people's life. admission to the factory --- hostel, worked and showed himself --- on, our dear Soviet man, the keys to the apartment.
    1. kalibr
      3 May 2020 07: 16
      -6
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      just demography went into plus

      About it will also be!
    2. kalibr
      3 May 2020 07: 38
      -3
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      the figures given by the author are funny compared to modern times.

      Do you have modern figures for the Penza region? However, now there is a website of the Ministry of Health, everything can be seen there ...
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 3 May 2020 12: 47
      -2
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      , but simply demography was a plus, and besides, the party was steadily developing the theme of improving people's life.

      demography went to MINUSDEPOPULATION began in 1964 population and it is Russian, in the first place.

      THE USSR-first country in Europe came to this "achievement". By the end of 1991, these "successes" of the party led to the outright extinction of the Russian-Russian Cross called.

      It's just FACTS
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      the party has steadily developed the theme of improving people's life. admission to the factory --- hostel, worked and showed himself --- on, our dear Soviet man, the keys to the apartment.

      And how did people all over the world live (and much better) without a party? request lol

      The apartment, by the way, is NOT YOUR, but State.

      naked came a man in this world, naked and left without leaving anything to the children
      1. BAI
        BAI 3 May 2020 17: 37
        +1
        leaving nothing to the children

        We are watching the film (just in 1963) "Everything remains for the people."
        When did children stop being human?
    4. your1970
      your1970 3 May 2020 22: 04
      +6
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      And it is necessary to consider them in dynamics ---- what has been fixed for the reporting period, and where party control remains to be exercised.

      8 years they couldn’t finish building the hospitals .. Year-2-3 - before the control there wasn’t something ??? Just yet to come ???
      The expression "long-term construction" was invented in the early USSR not even under Andropov ..
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 3 May 2020 07: 05
    +13
    Why this article? Again slops on the USSR? I was born and raised in the Soviet Union. I encountered medicine for the first time in 1978, when the appendix was removed. The main thing then - that even in the seediest village or town or aul, it was possible to get medical assistance - there were feldsher-obstetric stations, and with them ambulances. And not as it is now - for the entire area of ​​200 thousand people - two ambulances - survive as you want
    1. Buxlov
      Buxlov 3 May 2020 08: 00
      +6
      Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
      Why this article? Again slops on the USSR?

      They are afraid of the restoration of the USSR, but everything is going to this ... hi
      1. Icelord
        Icelord 7 June 2020 07: 55
        0
        You will come to us to restore the USSR I am the first to meet with a gun
  • Amateur
    Amateur 3 May 2020 07: 35
    +14
    So some readers of VO write that there were no epidemics in the USSR,

    In 1970, a significant part of the USSR was covered by the epidemic of cholera of the El Tor biotype. According to the most common version, it was brought into the territory of the Caspian region from Iran, .... However, now it was not just about laboratory samples, but about dozens, then hundreds, later thousands of cases and the so-called vibratory carriers. ... Observers did not replace inpatient medical facilities, but supplemented them - served to temporarily isolate those who did not have obvious signs of the disease, but hypothetically could be the carrier of cholera vibrio due to their presence in the infected area. During the epidemic of 1970 throughout the USSR, about 180 thousand people passed through the observation. ...
    Quantity deaths amounted to less than 1% of the total number of cases. Perhaps this is why for a very large number of former Soviet citizens of the older generation, the cholera epidemic of 1970 passed completely unnoticed, not deposited in memory.
    (https://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/kholernoe-leto-1970-goda/)
    Mr. Shpakovsky, pulling quotes, once again tries to prove that in the USSR everything was absolutely bad. This is not true.
    Cholera is a much more dangerous disease than the current "korovaminus", but the then authorities did not advertise on TV, did not promise to "pay salaries in full" and did not lock people home, but took real and effective measures to 100% quarantine all persons who were caught to contaminated areas, effective methods of disinfection and treatment.
    1. kalibr
      3 May 2020 07: 40
      -7
      Quote: Amateur
      everything was bad

      Is the article talking about "everything"?
  • 1536
    1536 3 May 2020 08: 00
    +12
    From the above document (if, of course, this is really a document from the archive, since there are no references to the fund, or to the number of the archive file), we can say the following:
    1st. Money for health care was released, hospitals were built, clinics worked, people were treated, women even managed to give birth in 1963 (see the first part of the text).
    2nd. Money was poorly mastered (I couldn’t give a cottage to myself for some way, or what kind of temple should be taxed in my native neighborhood), there weren’t enough qualified doctors, sanitary standards were not respected, there weren’t enough medicines or they arrived intermittently ..., further in the text.
    And now the conclusions:
    1. Subtract the number 1963 from 1945. We get 18. So many years have passed since the end of World War II. Yes, the Penza region was not occupied by the Germans and worked as a rear base, including as a hospital for thousands and thousands of wounded Soviet soldiers and commanders, saving their lives after terrible wounds at the front. After the Germans were driven to the West, the Penza region (attention!) Began to help ... Ukraine, an industry whose agriculture was destroyed during the German occupation.
    2. "Disadvantages", of course, I really don't want to discuss. They follow from the conclusions to the first part, since the immensity cannot be grasped, the country continued to restore the national economy after the war, there were not enough people, because 27 million people died in those terrible years and 1963 was the first year of the "demographic hole", the echo of the war. (“Thanks” to our “beloved” Germans should be conveyed from the rostrum of the Bundestag!) But even the fact that the unsolved professional issues of modern medicine at that time are being raised already suggests that adequate and competent people worked in the Ministry of Health. Moreover, the cited document, apparently, was not even "for official use", and even more so, did not have the stamp "Secret". Why hide the obvious facts?
    Thus, all the work to recover from the terrible war, while helping other regions of the USSR, everything was aimed at development, everything went forward, as the figures say. At the same time, it was possible with a sinking heart to follow the launches of Soviet spaceships, increase the country's defense, provide people with housing, medical care, and just live quietly, work, raise children, without thinking about whether you will have work tomorrow, money for food, and whether it will be possible for you to leave the house.
    1. kalibr
      3 May 2020 08: 07
      -4
      Quote: 1536
      From the above document (unless, of course, this is really a document from the archive, because there are no links to the fund, or to the number of the archive file)

      But this you did not see. Yes? “Information on the state and measures to improve medical services in the cities and working villages of the region (Appendix to paragraph 17, etc. 7. Minutes of the meeting of the Bureau of the CPSU OK from January 14.01 to March 16.03.1963, 5893. F. 1. Op. 12. Unit. XNUMX. Penza Industrial Regional Committee of the CPSU. Special Sector). Well, why, why do seemingly literate people read so inattentively? Although, on the other hand, this is the first adequate comment.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 May 2020 14: 52
      +6
      Quote: 1536
      At the same time, it was possible with a sinking heart to follow the launches of Soviet spacecraft, increase the country's defense, provide people with housing, medical care, and just live quietly, work, raise children, without thinking about whether you will have work tomorrow, money for food, and whether it will be possible for you to leave the house.

      My grandfather, a milling machine operator, joined the party in 1943 at the front, where he fled as a volunteer, seeing missile launches under the Time program, he said:
      Bastards! How much money they spend ...
      He died a communist in Russia.
  • oracul
    oracul 3 May 2020 08: 03
    +14
    Idiocy lies in the fact that the author takes a document that reflects the real state of affairs and draws a negative conclusion: here it is "Soviet paradise". First, this is a document from the party archives. Secondly, he is true and this is a plus for the regional leadership. Thirdly, only 17 years have passed since the devastating war with dire consequences. Think about it - only seventeen years old. The main resources, both financial, material and human, and they were lacking in the wildest way, were directed to the territories most affected by the war. Fourth, it would not hurt to get acquainted more closely with the style of writing such documents. The emphasis has always been on revealing flaws, so the positive part is usually small in volume. In public speeches, however, they spoke more about positive aspects; by the way, an excessive increase in the volume of documents was not allowed.
    1. Million
      Million 3 May 2020 09: 34
      0
      Look at the name of the author. Such rarely write something good about the USSR.
      1. svp67
        svp67 3 May 2020 09: 51
        +4
        Quote: Million
        Look at the name of the author. Such rarely write something good about the USSR.

        Do you understand your shame about your last name? I think no. Why blame others for this? They don’t choose parents ... In the history of the USSR there were people with similar surnames, the same Malinovskys and they did a lot for that country
        1. Million
          Million 3 May 2020 10: 00
          +4
          They don’t choose parents, genes decide a lot. The author took a different path than, for example, Malinovsky
          1. svp67
            svp67 3 May 2020 10: 05
            +5
            Quote: Million
            They don’t choose parents, genes decide a lot. The author took a different path than, for example, Malinovsky

            Well, wait, just that you blamed all the people with similar last names, do you consider yourself right in this? You may not agree with the opinion of the author, but why go over to the personality? By the way, there was another person with a similar surname - Rokossovsky, you and his memory are now very offended.
            1. Million
              Million 3 May 2020 10: 09
              -5
              You do not put an author with such personalities as Rokossovsky. Do not rush to extremes. Even Perelman was remembered. I did not write about "all".
              Not every Muslim terrorist, but every Muslim terrorist (c)
              1. svp67
                svp67 3 May 2020 13: 02
                +3
                Quote: Million
                .Do not rush to extremes

                No, do not confuse me with yourself, you rushed to such an extreme, we will blame everyone with "similar surnames"
                1. Million
                  Million 3 May 2020 15: 53
                  0
                  Are you also one of those who are not expected in the homeland of their ancestors?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 3 May 2020 17: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: Million
                    Are you also one of those who are not expected in the homeland of their ancestors?

                    I am in the homeland of my ancestors ... and here they are waiting for me
              2. your1970
                your1970 3 May 2020 22: 13
                +2
                Quote: Million
                Not every Muslim terrorist, but every Muslim terrorist(C)

                Did you blurt out abstractly now?
                Or give you examples of Orthodox terrorists?
                Is Breivik a Muslim?
                fool fool
                1. fuxila
                  fuxila 4 May 2020 06: 32
                  0
                  Or give you examples of Orthodox terrorists?
                  Is Breivik a Muslim?

                  What does Breivik have to do with the Orthodox? If you want to prove that there are terrorists among the Orthodox, then give a specific example, not that member of the Masonic lodge ...
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 4 May 2020 08: 37
                    +2
                    Quote: fuxila
                    Or give you examples of Orthodox terrorists?
                    Is Breivik a Muslim?

                    What does Breivik have to do with the Orthodox? If you want to prove that there are terrorists among the Orthodox, then give a specific example, not that member of the Masonic lodge ...

                    The entire list of the Socialist Revolutionary Organization, for example ... are all Muslims?

                    During the period of the First Russian Revolution and until 1917, during the acts of terrorism against the authorities and expropriations, for example, about 5000 absolutely strangers died ... did Muslims also throw bombs?

                    In the jungle of red and white terror I don’t even want to go deeper - there were all Nazis and religions, including Buddhists

                    The militants did not have Ukrainians in Chechnya ??? !!!
                    1. fuxila
                      fuxila 4 May 2020 08: 44
                      0
                      During the period of the First Russian Revolution and until 1917, during the acts of terrorism against the authorities and expropriations, for example, about 5000 absolutely strangers died ... did Muslims also throw bombs?

                      You are substituting concepts. When were Orthodox terrorists shouting "Christ the Great" throwing bombs, or did the people tied with bombs blow up people? Do you want to say that the revolutionary terrorists who killed Russian policemen, officers, officials, did it for the glory of the Orthodox faith, as is customary among Islamic terrorists to kill with shouts of "Allahu Akbar"? But this is nonsense !!!
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 4 May 2020 12: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: fuxila
                        You are replacing concepts.

                        You are replacing concepts. You are trying to link terrorism to specific ideas / religion / nation .....
                        Terrorism is the creation of an atmosphere of fear among the population. And it does not matter at all - what is the terrorist’s ultimate goal, who commits him, and what are his ideas and religion ....
                        At the time of the terrorist attack, the goal is one- to scare the population
                      2. fuxila
                        fuxila 4 May 2020 14: 19
                        -1
                        Why are you telling me what terror is and why it is being perpetrated? Is there any talk about this? You wrote about Orthodox terrorists, but I didn’t hear about such rumors and asked for facts, and you answered me about revolutionaries and Bandera-Uniates ... The terror is carried out in the name of an idea / religion / nation: Socialist-Revolutionaries killed in the name of the socialist idea, Islamic terrorists kill in the name of religion, Bandera carried out their terror in the name of the Ukrainian nation, and they simply kill maniacs, not terrorists. By analogy, some Orthodox terrorists should kill in the name of the Orthodox faith, but you did not bring evidence ...
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 4 May 2020 15: 52
                        +4
                        Quote: fuxila
                        By analogy, some Orthodox terrorists should kill in the name of the Orthodox faith, but you did not bring evidence ...

                        And that was .... The "Black Hundred" staged pogroms in the name of the Orthodox faith with banners and icons ... "Kill the Jews - save Russia !!" ... Wasn't that?

                        Completely in the world and now terrorist NOT Muslim parties and organizations.
                        Just recently, they quieted down a bit and stopped shooting / detonating the IRA and the Basques
                2. fuxila
                  fuxila 4 May 2020 08: 48
                  +1
                  The militants did not have Ukrainians in Chechnya ??? !!!

                  Do you think the Uniate militants from UNA-UNSO have fought on the Wahhabi side for the purity of the Orthodox faith?
            2. Million
              Million 4 May 2020 08: 10
              0
              Actually, I used this phrase in a different context.
              But if it really touches you like that, then compare the quantitative ratio of Muslim and Orthodox terrorists, I think this will cool the boiling mind a little)
              PS. The first part of the phrase can also be highlighted
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 3 May 2020 11: 26
      +4
      the same Malinovskys and they did a lot for that country

      Are you talking about Marshal Rodion Yakovlevich Malinovsky (1898-1967) or about Roman Vatslovich Malinovsky, an agent of the tsarist secret police, State Duma deputy from the RSDLP (1876-1918)?
      1. svp67
        svp67 3 May 2020 13: 03
        +2
        Quote: Aviator_
        Are you talking about

        I know about both, but you yourself answer the question of which of them worked productively for the USSR and get an answer.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 3 May 2020 14: 56
    +7
    Quote: Million
    Look at the name of the author. Such rarely write something good about the USSR.

    He is a Slav. Unlike the lion's share of the theorists of communism and socialism. Which very quickly removed from practice. And the Soviet Union collapsed, too, indigenous, not Middle Eastern fellow hi
    1. Million
      Million 3 May 2020 15: 54
      0
      Only for some reason the "Middle East"
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 May 2020 17: 03
        +5
        For instance? In the government of the Russian Federation, I don’t remember anyone except Dvorkovich, who has been there for a long time. Of the Governors - was Roizman in Yekaterinburg, EMNIP, very distant from the EP, and in prosecutors, FSSP, police and others - completely radical fellow As in the administration. Maybe I don’t know?
    2. helvetic
      helvetic 3 May 2020 16: 56
      0
      Is this one of those "indigenous" that did not pronounce half of the alphabet (or included the fricative "g" in it), the son of a citizen with a speaking surname Gopkalo? Or a native of Guria Shevardnadze?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 May 2020 17: 04
        +2
        Not from the title ones.
  • 1536
    1536 3 May 2020 08: 10
    +7
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: 1536
    From the above document (unless, of course, this is really a document from the archive, because there are no links to the fund, or to the number of the archive file)

    But this you did not see. Yes? “Information on the state and measures to improve medical services in the cities and working villages of the region (Appendix to paragraph 17, etc. 7. Minutes of the meeting of the Bureau of the CPSU OK from January 14.01 to March 16.03.1963, 5893. F. 1. Op. 12. Unit. XNUMX. Penza Industrial Regional Committee of the CPSU. Special Sector). Well, why, why do seemingly literate people read so inattentively?

    Dear, because, as you put it, "literate people" have it that references to literature and sources are printed either at the end of the article, or marked with a footnote directly in the text. Such an option as yours is also possible, but computer typing allows you to highlight important places in the text with a special font configuration, for example, in italicswhat you did not do. But in general, you're right, I'm sorry, I really missed the link to the document, so I read it fluently. However, this does not change the essence of my comment!
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 3 May 2020 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      among "literate people", it is assumed that references to literature and sources are printed either at the end of the article, or marked with a footnote directly in the text.
      And how many of these "literate people" among the authors have you met at VO? Is it possible to insert an endnote into the text? I saw here in the text of articles only strange (not to say even worse) hyperlinks, for some reason throwing you out when you click on the corresponding section of the site (weapons, history, etc.).
      1. helvetic
        helvetic 3 May 2020 17: 23
        0
        Maxim from a literate person about the end (but not the end) footnote ...
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 3 May 2020 17: 41
          +1
          Quote: helvetic
          Maxim from a literate person about the end (but not the end) footnote ..
          Uryl! Such an epic failure ... crying I’ll give up the scribble, I’ll go to school for something, maybe the burning ashamed will let a little ...
    2. kalibr
      3 May 2020 16: 50
      +4
      Quote: 1536
      However, this does not change the essence of my comment!

      So I wrote - the first thought comment.
  • DNS-a42
    DNS-a42 3 May 2020 08: 16
    +14
    Where is Russian medicine going:


    The growth of recent years is due to FAPs and outpatient clinics.


    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 12: 16
      +4
      And what did you mean by that? It is likely that many diseases that required prolonged hospitalization are now treated on an outpatient basis? And true, after minimally invasive laparoscopic operations, a long stay in the hospital is not required.
      1. DNS-a42
        DNS-a42 3 May 2020 14: 10
        0
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        It is likely that many diseases that required prolonged hospitalization are now treated on an outpatient basis?

        Since the need for such a number of hospitals has now disappeared, then the incidence should decline, right?

        "The Accounts Chamber notes that the 'optimization' of healthcare has led to a decrease in the availability of medical care and a slight increase in the incidence."

        Or maybe everything is much simpler? The state, "optimizing" medicine, simply squeezes citizens into the paid medical sector.

        Well, a few results:

        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        A long hospital stay is not required.

        Yeah, the coronavirus won't let you lie.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 3 May 2020 08: 34
    +12
    One would like to say: good regretted to the Soviet paradise, where everything was for the good of man!

    Shpakovsky, it's so simple, when the USSR was the population was growing, thereby showing that people are happy with everything and they are ready to give birth, and with your "paradise capitalism" the population only decreases, as everything is "optimized" and grabbed ..
    Therefore, no matter how much you pour mud over the USSR, but you cannot pour it on, literally all objective indicators are in favor of the USSR. From demography to economics ..
    He was already closing the folder when the eye habitually snatched out another report on the marriage at work. The Bureau of the OK CPSU reported (the same document, p. 322) that at the Penza diesel plant a complaint is received for every sixth diesel engine released, but the situation cannot be rectified!

    And now that marriage does not produce? Yes, a bunch of examples. Lada Vesta, a new car, a week after buying got on the highway ...

    You have good articles, why do you certainly need to blame the past?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 12: 36
      +2
      He does not hayut, he writes the truth. But the truth is it is different and is sweet and bitter. You need to know both this and this. Roughly speaking: one needs to know not only about the exploit of Panfilov’s, but also how the party and Soviet leadership from besieged Moscow in panic were attacking in October 1941. Otherwise, the truth will be neutered.
    2. kalibr
      3 May 2020 16: 52
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      Therefore, no matter how much you pour mud over the USSR, but you cannot pour it on, literally all objective indicators are in favor of the USSR.

      But what is such a good USSR collapsed in the 91st? Well, everything is in favor, but the bull is all ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 May 2020 08: 50
    +7
    Stop lying, in all my life I have never heard that a person, in the presence of evidence, was refused hospitalization. There are no places in their area, they would be sent to a neighboring or region.
    Well, one must hate the country in such a way, where a possible special case, pass off as reality. Well chantrap liberoid, well, storytellers.
    1. pogis
      pogis 3 May 2020 09: 29
      +5
      If necessary, they will call a helicopter!
      1. pogis
        pogis 3 May 2020 09: 33
        +4
        The article reminded a joke about the average temperature in a hospital.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 3 May 2020 12: 08
        +7
        Quote: pogis
        If necessary, they will call a helicopter!

        As a child in the Khabarovsk Territory, I know, I remember that in the event of a deterioration in health ---- an instant helicopter to the district center was the norm.
        Especially watched the children and women in the situation. The doctor himself occasionally flew in with an examination.
        There was a hospital in the district center, but if necessary ---- the plane to Khabarovsk was taken free of charge to medical directions, and they also gave a health worker. It was so small with me. It seemed like an adult ticket cost about 100 rubles
        1. fuxila
          fuxila 4 May 2020 07: 32
          +2
          Quote: Reptiloid
          As a child in the Khabarovsk Territory, I know, I remember that in the event of a deterioration in health ---- an instant helicopter to the district center was the norm.

          It really was! Himself from the Khabarovsk Territory and to us, if necessary, helicopters landed at the stadium in the center of the village. But I still remember the dentists with a shudder ... I don’t know why, but the Union could not do normal painkillers (maybe they were, but not for everyone), which is why during the treatment I was often kept by my mother and a nurse, and the fillings did not last long. As I was later explained, the dentists also had a plan that had to be implemented ...
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 4 May 2020 07: 50
            0
            I left there at the age of 6 with a mouth full of huge teeth ---- laughing which is strange, still the North ...... Somehow the teeth changed, but the doctor was not needed soon ....
            In general, the topic of nutrition is not interesting ...... like, few fruits and vegetables, meat, fish ---- a lot, excessively ...... bananas, pineapples ---- there were. The locals did not eat them.
            Quote: fuxila
            Quote: Reptiloid
            As a child in the Khabarovsk Territory, I know, I remember that in the event of a deterioration in health ---- an instant helicopter to the district center was the norm.

            It really was! Himself from the Khabarovsk Territory and to us, if necessary, helicopters landed at the stadium in the center of the village. But I still remember the dentists with a shudder ... I don’t know why, but the Union could not do normal painkillers (maybe they were, but not for everyone), which is why during the treatment I was often kept by my mother and a nurse, and the fillings did not last long. As I was later explained, the dentists also had a plan that had to be implemented ...
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 3 May 2020 11: 29
      +6
      Well, you have to hate the country like that

      It is with him forever
    3. kalibr
      3 May 2020 16: 53
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      where is a possible special case, pass off as reality.

      A special case is reported in the OK CPSU?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 3 May 2020 17: 33
        +1
        Everything was reported to the regional committee of the CPSU, only after such messages and disassemblies after them, some people put a party card on the table and no longer rose above the janitor in the profession, with rare exceptions.
        1. your1970
          your1970 3 May 2020 22: 18
          +4
          Quote: Ros 56
          Everything was reported to the regional committee of the CPSU, only after such messages and disassemblies after them, some people put a party card on the table and no longer rose above the janitor in the profession, with rare exceptions.

          Hospitals were not completed 8 years..... many oblast commanders in the janitors gone?
  • Million
    Million 3 May 2020 09: 32
    +17
    Despicable article. I do not want to comment
  • Hikaro
    Hikaro 3 May 2020 10: 01
    +9
    Dear Vyacheslav! The message of your article is not correct! The information from the archive, submitted by you, of course, does not cause doubts, but the generalization and conclusions that you draw, without a general picture of the political and economic situation in the USSR in 1963, is completely counterproductive! Penza region of the RSFSR, compare its economic indicators and the volume of investment, in comparison with the same Baltic or Transcaucasia! Read the memoirs of Mikhail Solomentsev of the Pre-Council of Ministers of the RSFSR, which shows an approximate approach to the allocation of funds from the Union budget to the RSFSR! In the Baltics, for example, at that moment the situation with hospitals and medical personnel was much better! But this means that "free" medicine in the USSR was of poor quality !! Absolutely wrong conclusion! The planned economy had its drawbacks, but the development went on !!! Hospitals were under construction !! people were treated !!! I will say more in Latvia in Riga, many city hospitals were liquidated, because with the outflow of the population, their number turned out to be excessive !! And the reception of patients is still carried out in the buildings of the remaining hospitals built in the USSR !!! Not a single hospital was built during independence !! This is a small example of those huge capital investments in the medical field in the USSR !!!
    1. kalibr
      3 May 2020 16: 55
      +1
      Why are we still not living in the USSR?
      1. Alecsandr
        Alecsandr 3 May 2020 18: 18
        0
        Thanks to you and people like you
        1. kalibr
          3 May 2020 18: 38
          +1
          Quote: Alecsandr
          Thanks to you and people like you

          Oh really? Lecturer of the RK KPSS and OK Komsomol, associate professor of the history of the CPSU, is to blame for its collapse? You seriously hold me for (the forbidden word in VO), which saws the branch on which he sits and cuts the hen, the laying hen of golden eggs. Special polyclinic, where boors were not allowed. 25 p. for each "round" table and 10 p. for every lecture on decaying capitalism, not counting 320 rubles. But they also asked ... my eyes had to burn, the arguments should be logical, the conviction in the triumph of Lenin's ideas was absolute. Not for fear, for conscience they worked ... And then bang - and we were told that we were no longer needed. We didn’t say ... but why not go where to you in the Kremlin. We are from the Kremlin ... So I would be glad to say that I had a hand in the collapse of the "collective farm", but alas, I was among its most ardent defenders. The only justification for this is that ... did not know much. For example, I was not allowed to know this document. "Off topic research !!
          1. Alecsandr
            Alecsandr 3 May 2020 19: 02
            0
            Don't be cunning. I also found and lived at this time. And I also saw many shortcomings of the ruling regime. Namely, the "ruling regime" But, nevertheless, I considered the regime more or less favorable for the people. What can not be said about our time.
            1. kalibr
              3 May 2020 20: 52
              +2
              Quote: Alecsandr
              more or less favorable for the people

              Then what people did not hold out for him in the 91st? And what is guile? In what they wrote to you that smart people do not cut chicken laying golden eggs?
    2. kalibr
      3 May 2020 18: 40
      +3
      Hikaro (Oleg) Write an article better, taking into account all your considerations. I am sure that the administration of VO will only be for!
  • tatra
    tatra 3 May 2020 10: 11
    +10
    The enemies of the Communists do not make the slightest demands either on the Romanovs or on themselves, but they make the highest demands on the Bolshevik Communists, reaching the point of complete absurdity, and they always tear out their common only that which is beneficial to them, and expose this as common in information war against their country and people. Now, when it comes to pensions in the USSR, they climb with 12-20 ruble pensions, if about housing in the USSR, they climb with communal apartments and barracks.
    The Russian Empire ranked first in the world in terms of the number of people infected with infectious diseases. And the communists have done a tremendous job to eliminate this. BUT here the author of the article with "righteous anger" is trying to prove that the communists did nothing to eliminate the mass epidemics of infectious diseases.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 12: 13
      +3
      Progress, respected tatra, technological progress, has said its weighty word both in electrification with mechanization and in medicine. The Communists should not attribute these achievements. And then, by analogy, Putin will have to attribute merit to the development of mobile communications in the country and the IT industry.
      1. tatra
        tatra 3 May 2020 12: 25
        0
        Ha, something in YOUR high-paying job, manic critics of the USSR, not that no progress is being observed, but a continuous degradation in EVERYTHING compared to the USSR. That is why, if the Soviet communists and their supporters have always been proud and proud of their achievements in work, then 30 years after you captured the USSR, you cowardly dump the responsibility for the results of your work on them, whine in chorus "but we have nothing to do with it, this is in the USSR was, we are still disentangling. "
      2. Amateur
        Amateur 3 May 2020 15: 11
        -4
        The Communists should not attribute these achievements.

        In your opinion, did the unfinished Trotskyites from the underground do it?
        And to compare state programs for the development of medicine with completely private investments in mobile communications - either from misunderstanding, or another attempt to cheat.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 3 May 2020 10: 25
    +7
    If you take to "educate" .... someone, it will be kind to cover the topic from all sides! And this is just the same denunciation to the Land of the Soviets ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 3 May 2020 12: 00
      +5
      Greetings Victor! hi Scolding medicine and institutions under the USSR is generally pointless.
      We must start with the fact that according to the census of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1898, the average life expectancy was for men and about 30 years for women, with a slight difference. That says it all!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 May 2020 12: 27
        -1
        Greetings Dmitry soldier
        Let's be objective, they just scribble denunciations.
        It is hoped that the facts that they withstand, and a large number of different events, will prove to many not smart, not bothering with a full-fledged analysis of the situation and who have skipped the subject history or studying according to the current, underachievers, will take it all at face value!
        It’s just a manipulation, but by a simple slap.
        They do not need to answer for the "market", therefore they frolic as they want, because they can.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 3 May 2020 12: 34
          0
          The most important fact, Victor, is an increase in life expectancy. It was under Stalin. Others have written about population growth here. But it is worth remembering that before the revolution, the same peasants as ---- hospitalized or not? Would you like to know? Something I have doubts about even requests for hospitalization ....
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 43
            +3
            At the end of the 19th century, peasants were already hospitalized - a network of zemstvo hospitals in the country was created. Dee and google, but ye shall see:
            “Under Nicholas II, public health care really became public, which was then continued and improved under Soviet rule.

            In Russia, a system of district doctors, which had no analogues in the world, was created and a three-tier structure of medical care for the population was formed: a medical station, county and provincial hospital. Treatment at these medical facilities was free.

            The coverage of the population with medical care was rapidly expanding: if in 1901 it received 49 million people, then in 1907 - 69 million, in 1910 - 86 million and in 1913 - 98 million. This led to a decrease in the total mortality rate from 29.4 per thousand inhabitants in 1906-1911 to 25 in 1912 "
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 3 May 2020 14: 43
              +1
              Googling later.
              Now what can I say — somehow I can’t remember the hospitals and treatment of ordinary people by the classics. And the classics ---- this is our everything, this is the mirror of life. That's about women with low social ---- mentioned, about injuries, about maps and binges ---- mentioned, but about hospitals --- not to remember ....
              I also immediately recall ---- artist Perov, critic Belinsky, Chekhov A.P. Princess Tarakanova ---- died of tuberculosis. Foreign ---- Kafka, Aubrey Beardsley.
              Medicine before the revolution as a result of the 1MV was developed, but this is rather not due to statehood, but rather the patriotism and dedication of doctors and scientists who were not even included in the officer councils at the beginning of the 1MV.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 15: 13
                +4
                Chekhov, the story "Jumping" Just about the dedication of a doctor. Chekhov himself was a district doctor, that is, he worked in the lower structures of health care.
                Tuberculosis is now a serious threat, mortality from it is higher than from covid, although it also has a vaccine and therapy.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 3 May 2020 16: 41
                  +1
                  Chekhov, already a well-known writer, did a lot to fight cholera in Lopasne (the Moscow Region, now the district center of Chekhov). This is in Chekhov’s MSS, his orders and instructions, as a physician.
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 16: 46
                    +5
                    What are we surprised at? A doctor is as much a defender as a soldier. Both this and this risk their own lives.
                  2. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 3 May 2020 17: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    Chekhov, already a well-known writer, did a lot to fight cholera in Lopasne (the Moscow Region, now the district center of Chekhov). This is in Chekhov’s MSS, his orders and instructions, as a physician.

                    I drove Chekhov while traveling by bus from Moscow to Aleksin. Speak, Sergey, was there cholera? And there is nothing to say about it.
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 3 May 2020 18: 27
                      0
                      The book is lying at work, a volume from the complete works, where his letters and other papers are collected, including on medical activities. Found in an old cabinet when repairing an office. Cancel quarantine, I will give the exact link. Then I found Lenin’s PSS of the 1927 edition - almost lifetime! This is probably from the party committee of the institute.
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 3 May 2020 18: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        The book is lying at work, a volume from the complete works, where his letters and other papers are collected, including on medical activities. Found in an old cabinet when repairing an office. Cancel quarantine, I will give the exact link. Then I found Lenin’s PSS of the 1927 edition - almost lifetime! This is probably from the party committee of the institute.

                        laughing hi wonderful finds! Envious!
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 3 May 2020 17: 53
                  +1
                  So this increase in mortality occurred in the 90s, as well as diseases. Since those patients were no longer relocated from communal apartments and there was no such treatment as in the USSR.
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  Chekhov, the story "Jumping" Just about the dedication of a doctor. Chekhov himself was a district doctor, that is, he worked in the lower structures of health care.
                  Tuberculosis is now a serious threat, mortality from it is higher than from covid, although it also has a vaccine and therapy.
            2. rocket757
              rocket757 3 May 2020 14: 51