Soviet paradise. Archive: 6457 patients refused hospitalization


One of the institutions in the Penza region, where denunciations are kept in abundance


Meanwhile, a hermit in a dark cell
Here the terrible denunciation writes to you:
And you will not leave the court of the world,
How not to get away from God's judgment.
A.S. Pushkin. Boris Godunov


History and documents. Materials this cycle They aroused great interest in the reading public of VO, because, although the site gathered a lot of experts on everything and everything, they do not have access to the archives, especially the archives of the OK CPSU, and rely only on their own memory and what “the men said in smoking room. " And when it comes to the achievements of the Soviet era, for some reason everyone remembers free medicine, but no one talks about its quality. “Freebie, come” - this is how my students usually “mantled” before exams, that is, for our readers at the appropriate age, the main thing is that it should be free, and how it doesn’t matter. A person’s memory is imperfect, with age it tends to keep only the good, and the bad - to forget. So some readers of VO write that there were no epidemics in the USSR, that everyone (absolutely everyone!) Received emergency medical care, there were no drug addicts, and so on and so forth. But archival documents do not have mercy for the past. Notes, receipts, reports, reports are piling up in the archives, in a word there are a lot of things that allow a different look at the past. And since the readers of VO so loved the topic of free medicine in the USSR (which is understandable in the current epidemic), I went to the regional party archive of OFOPO GAPO and randomly took the 1963 document. It is called so: “Information on the status and measures to improve medical services in the cities and working villages of the region (Appendix to paragraph 17, etc. 7. Minutes of the meeting of the Bureau of the CPSU OK from 14.01 to 16.03.1963. F. 5893. Opt. 1 Unit 12. The Penza Industrial Regional Committee of the CPSU. Special Sector).

And then ... Further, it is hardly worth retelling this curious document, it is easier to rewrite it one to one. So, we read.

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“From year to year the network of medical institutions is growing in the region. There are 27 hospitals with 3145 beds, 3 outpatient clinics, 3 dispensaries, 3 ambulance stations, 117 health centers at industrial enterprises, 16 feldsher-obstetric centers, 32 nurseries for 2210 beds, 2 children's homes for 160 beds and one children's sanatorium with 50 places ...
Over the past two years, a surgical hospital with 100 beds, a clinic at the city hospital No. 1, and a blood transfusion station have been built in Penza. A hospital with 150 beds was built in the city of Kuznetsk.

N. Lomovskaya, Serdobskaya hospitals, a maternity hospital in the city of Kuznetsk, a hospital in the village of Belinskselmash, a building with 25 beds in the city of Belinsk, an oncology clinic, a hospital in the village of Chemodanovka are being built. In the city of Penza, the construction of a city hospital with 240 beds in the South Glade region has begun.

A total of 1427 doctors work in the region, of which 964 are doctors in cities and workers' settlements.

Most hospitals in the cities are provided with the latest equipment and instruments, the quality of patient care, and diagnostics have improved. The incidence of diphtheria, poliomyelitis, and gastrointestinal infections has markedly decreased.

However, despite the achievements, there are serious shortcomings in the work of the medical institutions of the city and workers' settlements.

The allocated allocations for the construction of medical institutions are not being developed from year to year. In 1961, out of 340 thousand rubles. 305 thousand rubles, or 87 percent, were disbursed, and in 1962, out of 400, only 251,9 thousand rubles, or 62,9 percent. Started construction does not end for years, funds are sprayed. The construction of N. Lomovskaya, Serdobskaya, Kamenskaya hospitals, which have been under construction for eight or more years, was unacceptably delayed.

Unplanned and ill-considered regional health department carries out repair and reconstruction of existing institutions. For the second year, the city hospital №3 is undergoing major repairs in Penza.

In the cities of the region, instead of 5.600 hospital beds, there are 3.145, and therefore hospital admissions are denied. So, in 1962 city and regional hospitals refused to hospitalize 6.457 patients, 4.471 of them due to lack of places.

Due to the fact that the regional neuropsychiatric hospital is designed for 1000 beds, and there are 1.300 patients in it, every day 300 patients sleep on the floor.

An acute shortage is felt in the cities in the nursery. Instead of 5000 places there are 2210. Currently, there are 7 thousand children who need to be identified in a nursery. Great need for child care facilities is available at the watchmaking, CAM, compressor, Penzmash, Penzkhimmash and other workers' factories.

There are 3700 women working in the regional communications department, but there are no childcare facilities here. In the trading organizations of the city of Penza there is a need for nurseries and kindergartens for 600 children.

The seven-year plan for the development of the national economy in the cities of Penza and Kuznetsk provides for the opening of five pharmacies in newly built residential buildings. However, not a single pharmacy has been opened in recent years.

In extremely difficult conditions, the central pharmacy warehouse operates, which is located in unsuitable rooms. Due to the lack of storage facilities, expensive equipment is stored in the yard.

Along with the elimination of a number of diseases in the region, the growth of tuberculosis patients is of serious concern: while in 1960 those who died from tuberculosis accounted for 4,5 percent of all deaths in the region, then in 1962 - 4,71 percent. In total, there are 8 thousand patients with tuberculosis in the region, 2400 of whom are bacillary. If in the city of Penza, as of 1 / 1.62, 1759 patients with tuberculosis were registered, of which 596 were bacillary, then by 1 / 1.63 there were 2028 registered, of which 456 were bacilli, with 359 children.

Cancer prevention and treatment are poorly placed. Their number in the region is increasing. In 1962, 1824 cancer patients were again registered. In total, there are 5159 such patients in the region. Hospital beds for such patients are not enough, and the building of the oncological clinic is being built for the sixth year.

So far, such a social disease as sexually transmitted diseases has not been eliminated, of which 919 people are ill (of which urban - 699).

The percentage of injuries is high. In 1962, 60 thousand injuries were recorded in the region, of which 16 thousand were registered in the city of Penza alone.

In some hospitals, even the regional center there is an overshoot of patients.

Major shortcomings exist in the medical care of children. In kindergartens and kindergartens there is a large crowding, which causes an increased incidence. In 1962, compared with 1961, child mortality remains at the same level - 3,4 (in cities and towns of the region). The highest infant mortality rates are observed in the cities of Penza - 3,6, Kuznetsk - 3, 7, Kamenka - 3,6 (with a regional average of 2,9).

There are dairy kitchens for children only in 8 cities. In Penza, the dairy kitchen, due to the distance, cannot serve all children in need of food.

Working people are not adequately provided with outpatient care. Many hospitals, clinics and first-aid posts are poorly equipped with modern medical equipment, instruments, soft and hard equipment.

Instead of 1392 doctors, only 964 work in the cities of the region. 428 doctors are lacking. In two years, 303 doctors arrived in the region, of which 150 doctors arrived in the city, and 214 left the region, and 110 doctors from the city.

The regional health department was dismissed for abuse of official position by the doctor of the oncological dispensary, Comrade Davydkin, and the chief physician of the regional psychoneurological hospital, Comrade Ivaykov. Almost all employees of the regional health department work part-time and receive one and a half rates. Medical ethics is violated.

In 1962, a group of drug addicts was identified in the city of Penza (I can’t stop myself from “!” - Auth.), Which was facilitated by the former inspector of the regional health department Soskov and the doctor of the city hospital No. 3 Nefedova.

In January 1963, at the Penza Infectious Disease Hospital, Banina's nurse mistakenly introduced penicillin to another instead of one child, after which the child died instantly.

In pharmacies, the most commonly used medications are often absent (for headaches, aspirin, vitamins, glucose, ammonia, etc.). No thermometers, syringes. When checking in the pharmacy No. 3 of the city of Penza, out of 688 prescriptions submitted from the population, 171 were refused, i.e. 25 percent.

Very poor medical care in factories. For example, at the SAM factory, where there is an equipped health center with a gynecological office, in 1962 a gynecologist carried out a reception only 16 times instead of the 50 prescribed. Since March 1961 there was no appointment with an ophthalmologist, and from May 1960 there was no appointment with a surgeon and otolaryngologist.

Clinical examination is carried out formally, its effectiveness is not studied, patients are not hospitalized in a timely manner. In 1962, due to temporary disability, 2,5 million working days were lost, which is equivalent to the fact that during the whole year 8 thousand workers did not work due to illness. Disability benefits paid for 1962 were 7 million 649 thousand rubles. In some cases, the incidence of temporary disability is artificially high. This can be found in the hospital number 1 of the city of Penza, N. Lomovskaya, Serdobsky hospitals.

From year to year, the sanitary condition of cities and workers' villages remains unsatisfactory. The streets are littered with snow, littered with paper, butts. Yards of houses are not cleaned.

Penza City Executive Committee in 1961-1962 He made a number of decisions on improving the sanitary condition in the city, but they are carried out extremely unsatisfactorily, since the city executive committee is not dealing with this issue every day, but campaigning.

Serious shortcomings in the work of medical institutions are evidenced by both letters and statements by workers. In total, in 1962, the regional health department received 817 complaints and proposals, of which 88, that is, 10,7 percent, were examined with violations of the established deadlines. ”

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There was still more there, but I'm tired of typing it all. And without that, such "paradise" opened up that even though you run there in a time machine and enjoy all these delights of free medicine!

One would like to say: good regretted to the Soviet paradise, where everything was for the good of man!

He was already closing the folder when the eye habitually snatched out another report on the marriage at work. The Bureau of the OK CPSU reported (the same document, p. 322) that at the Penza diesel plant a complaint is received for every sixth diesel engine released, but the situation cannot be rectified!
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    1. kalibr 3 May 2020 06: 18 New
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      You can write anything. Here is an official document reflecting the realities of that life. In the text all data is given on it. I did not invent it. So it was, and there’s no escape from this. Are you comfortable with the position of an ostrich? Well, even if the head is not visible, the ass sticks out anyway. And, by the way, here it is the legacy of the "collective farm" - visible rudeness. Slightly not so - immediately “surname”, immediately “shit off”, oligophrenia ... With all this you demonstrate only the low level of culture of a typical “scoop”. That is, old age silvered you only on the outside, but it wasn’t turned into silver inside.
      1. Donald72 3 May 2020 06: 24 New
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        Hold on! An hour will not pass if you are either an Israeli agent or, more likely, an inveterate Bandera. It is so customary here.
        1. kalibr 3 May 2020 06: 30 New
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          Quote: Donald72
          Hold on! An hour will not pass if you are either an Israeli agent or, more likely, an inveterate Bandera. It is so customary here.

          If you’ve been at VO since 2014, then you can remember how many intelligence agents I’ve already visited, as well as a Vlasov, Bandera ... State Department agent. Do not get used to it!
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            1. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 10: 51 New
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              Red fish sold in mining villages? Were bananas available for sale? Ham? Hard cheeses? It is unlikely. And not all villages were miners. In our village in the shops it was a ball of Katya, even a blue chicken could not be bought. Do you want meat sausages or other goodies - go ahead, take the train: 5 hours to St. Petersburg or 8 to Moscow. Sausage trains that just appeared? And of the manufactured goods, it was very sparse for us to buy something more decent again in St. Petersburg or Moscow, and if you are lucky, you can buy something there. Such was your soviet paradise.
              1. Alexander Suvorov 3 May 2020 11: 00 New
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                AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                Red fish sold in mining villages? Were bananas available for sale? Ham? Hard cheeses? It is unlikely.

                There may not have been any bananas, but there were still ham, cheeses and red fish. Miners were provided in the first category.
                And of the manufactured goods, it was very sparse for us to buy something more decent again in St. Petersburg or Moscow, and if you are lucky, you can buy something there. Such was your soviet paradise.
                But in your capitalist "paradise" everything is ... laughing But there is no money, no work, no villages, no miners, no medicine, otherwise yes, it’s a complete paradise. I mean, quiet as in paradise or in a cemetery, which is closer to the truth.

                P.S. And yet, the fish was red, not dyed, the milk was surprisingly from cow's milk, and not from coconut oil, like ice cream, the sausage was made from meat. But there really was no banana, and as soon as people lived, I won’t know ... laughing
                1. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 11: 18 New
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                  But isn’t that the energy industry switching to gas and coal in such quantities is no longer needed? Previously, a third of the coal mined went to locomotive traction. Will we return the locomotives? Sausage now has soy, deshmans and meat, but more expensive, can you really make a choice of several dozen varieties? This also applies to cheese, fish and ice cream. The miners, perhaps, were provided, as well as the inhabitants of Moscow, but the Non-Chernozem Region did not run very far away. Thank you native party!
                  1. Alexander Suvorov 3 May 2020 11: 31 New
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                    AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                    But isn’t that the energy industry switching to gas and coal in such quantities is no longer needed?
                    Right and not needed? Did everyone switch directly to gas? Only now I somehow see the opposite picture, coal is not needed not because it is not needed, but not needed due to the fact that enterprises are closing. And we only pull gas abroad, in the backwoods it was not there and never is, and most likely it will never be with this power. The number of working enterprises is steadily declining. For all the years of post-Soviet Russia, we have not built ANYTHING, but dozens have ceased to exist. Thousands of people lost their jobs and are forced to rotate in shifts to Moscow. Here it is your stupid capitalist "paradise", so that you all bent along with your paradise.
                    Sausage now has soy, deshmans and meat, but more expensive, can you really make a choice of several dozen varieties?
                    Who will choose? Miners without money and without work or pensioners with a beggarly pension, who in pharmacies recount the last pennies before the cash register?

                    Shove your arguments, where did you get it from, well, you understand where ... negative
                    1. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 12: 01 New
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                      Well, suppose that in St. Petersburg there was not a single thermal power station on coal, everything was on gas, everyone was transferred from solid fuel. If these notorious factories produced something worthwhile, not inferior in price / quality to foreign analogues, then they would not have closed, and, alas, the products are not in demand and the bankrupt plant. The laws of the economy have not been canceled. You still cry that with motorization the cabmen were left without work, too, there were byad-byad. Utesov even had a song about it. Progress is being made, and neither the draftsmen in the design bureau, nor the navigator in civil aviation, are no longer needed. How old coal volumes are not needed.
                      1. aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 12: 35 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        If these notorious factories produced something worthwhile, not inferior in price / quality to foreign analogues, then they would not have closed, and so, alas,

                        The impression is that you are raving. Can you remember that for example about 40 percent of the civil aviation market belonged to the USSR? And how many machines were sold then? And now? And the products of the chemical industry? The factories were closed because the ruling clique wanted to pocket all these plants, in any form, at least in the form of trade pavilions, or cottage villages. I don’t understand why for all the time you want the USSR, are you a beneficiary of the collapse of the USSR? Or do you get any benefit from writing such nonsense? After all, a normal person cannot write a deliberate lie.
                      2. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 12: 49 New
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                        If not for the colossal financial injections and the subsequent transfer of Renault, AvtoVAZ would also have rested in a Bose. The reason: no one needs the buckets with nuts - the people have a choice. GA was not so simple either, which is why airlines preferred to buy A and B, instead of Tu and Il. From what? And more economical. More cost effective. The fuel consumption of foreign cars is less, they are also on the ground, less than domestic ones. Like truckers, foreign cars were preferred to MAZ and KAMAZ for a reason because of fashion. They are more convenient, they carry more, faster and eat less. More reliable. And tell me, on what Soviet main tractor was the air conditioner? Refrigerator? Heater? Which car do you choose for work? And yes - I am a beneficiary, no doubt: I have the opportunity to choose. An opportunity not to stand with an outstretched hand and wait for it to be allocated, but simply to take and purchase, here and now.
                      3. aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 13: 09 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        If not for the colossal financial injections and the subsequent transfer of Renault, AvtoVAZ would also have rested in a Bose. The reason: no one needs the buckets with nuts - the people have a choice.

                        Do you think that transferring domestic plants to foreigners is good? In my opinion, the reason is in the thieving officials and in the same thieving factory management.
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        GA was not so simple either, which is why airlines preferred to buy A and B, instead of Tu and Il. From what? And more economical. More cost effective.

                        Soviet planes were cheaper, as far as efficiency, then at that time the figures were comparable. The reason is still the same, thieves.
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        And tell me, on what Soviet main tractor was the air conditioner? Refrigerator? Heater?

                        And you would compare the prices of imported trucks and domestic, and then you would consider that it is more profitable for the national economy of the USSR. And the automotive industry was never a strong point of the USSR, but it had its own, there were jobs, etc. For example, one workplace at the VAZ "pulled" seven jobs for allied workers.
                      4. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 26 New
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                        The transfer of AvtoVAZ Renault is wonderful. They finally began to produce normal cars, no worse than foreign cars of the same price category. Soviet aircraft were at the world level in the 60s, then we fell behind. Both for engines and avionics.
                        In the auto industry, it is better to produce 1 reliable, convenient for the driver, car, expensive, which will always be in operation, than 2 cheap, uncomfortable cars, one of which will be under repair, but it was so. They knew how to make nuclear and space stations, the products of the defense industry were excellent, and civilian, in particular consumer goods, was at the garbage level. A disgrace.
                      5. aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 15: 34 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Renault AvtoVAZ transfer is wonderful

                        Can we sell Roscosmos, KRET, Rosatom? What else can you sell gentlemen liberals?
                      6. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 15: 59 New
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                        And nobody says anything about Roskosmos with Rosatom and the defense industry, their products are world-class, and therefore they did not fall apart. They are competitive. And what we ourselves do not know how to do is best conveyed to those who do it professionally.
                      7. aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 16: 33 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        And what we ourselves do not know how to do is best conveyed to those who do it professionally.

                        I’m wondering, the USSR didn’t at first professionally know how to make rockets, neither ships, nor tractors, probably it was necessary to sell plants to foreigners right away, stupid people, probably? The Chinese, their motor-blocks and this hour are worse than the Japanese, the auto industry is worse than the European one, the electronics sucks not so long ago, they don’t sell enterprises, they don’t ruin them, aren't they stupid people?
                      8. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 16: 42 New
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                        Shipbuilding, quite good for itself, we inherited from the Russian Empire: Baltzavod, Admiralty Shipyards. But the Chinese fellows, no doubt: have learned to make products no worse than European? Who prevented the Soviet Union from catching up and overtaking capstranes in terms of product quality. Not in quantity, but in variety and quality. Now try to fix this legacy. Difficult, very difficult.
                      9. aleksejkabanets 3 May 2020 16: 58 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Shipbuilding, quite good for itself, we inherited from the Russian Empire: Baltzavod, Admiralty Shipyards. But the Chinese fellows, no doubt: have learned to make products no worse than European? Who prevented the Soviet Union from catching up and overtaking capstranes in terms of product quality. Not in quantity, but in variety and quality. Now try to fix this legacy. Difficult, very difficult.

                        I already heard that, “all the good things have remained since the tsarist times”, teach history not from modern school books. According to the "quality of products", a lot of products, the USSR did much better than in the west. But the national traitors, formed from the party nomenclature, who are still at the helm, who privatized and sold everything that was possible and what is not, and which, by the way, you protect and whitewash, prevented the Soviet Union.
                      10. ser56 3 May 2020 21: 27 New
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                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        did much better than in the west.

                        do not tell more specifically? hi
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        And the national traitors formed from the party nomenclature prevented the Soviet Union,

                        So the USSR created these party nominee-payers request And since they didn’t really know how to do something, they turned the richest country into a slaughterhouse that bought grain and frozen meat abroad request
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        "all the good has remained since tsarist times," teach history, not according to modern school textbooks.

                        go to any city and see - the most beautiful houses built under tsarism ... request
                      11. Stas157 4 May 2020 07: 18 New
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                        Why do we need Solzhenitsyn, we have Shpakovsky on the site!

                        There are people about whom they say that they will find dirt everywhere. So our "fellow" looked for some kind of doc with flaws, and now extrapolates to all Soviet reality. Say you don’t remember and don’t know, but I’m documenting you!

                        Nothing but bewilderment of the "work" of this "author" is not carried.
                      12. kalibr 4 May 2020 07: 29 New
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                        So there are a lot of them, such documents. So much so that you are no longer surprised at why the 91st happened. No, but with regard to ballet, we were always ahead of everyone!
                      13. Stas157 4 May 2020 08: 43 New
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                        So there are a lot of them, such documents.

                        There are a lot of documentaries. But someone is only looking for worse. If you consider overall situation - According to the UN, the standard of living in the USSR was in 11th place (and now what?). So do not spit on the past, Vecheslav.

                        Quote: kalibr
                        So much so that you are no longer surprised at why the 91st happened.

                        Why are you doing this? Did the people want a collapse? Was there a revolution and civil war? People were happy with everything, and the rotten elites betrayed the USSR.
                      14. kalibr 4 May 2020 18: 25 New
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                        Quote: Stas157
                        and the USSR was betrayed by rotten elites.

                        And the people silently shawled ... but now ... all are in favor ...
                      15. Nagaibak 10 May 2020 15: 30 New
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                        kalibr "And the people silently grabbed ... but now ... all are in favor .."
                        Well, people, how do you put it, and now everything’s doing it.))) But I’m wondering if you have paradise right now in your city?))) In medicine?)))
                      16. kalibr 10 May 2020 15: 32 New
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                        But I’m wondering if you have paradise right now in your city?))) In medicine?

                        I am personally 80% satisfied.
                      17. Nagaibak 10 May 2020 15: 42 New
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                        The fact that you are satisfied is understandable.))) Compared to 60 years, have you been satisfied?))) Do not tell me how many new hospitals in your city were built after the fall of the USSR? And how many hospitals in your area have been closed over these years of paradise? Maybe it made sense to compare the quantity and level of medicine since at least the year 90?))) Why didn’t you give data for any year 1925? And with our time would be compared. Why be shy?))) In the 60s, people still went to tunics in some places for well-known reasons. 15 years have passed since the war.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    A disgrace.

    You and Shpakovsky are like two marabou birds. strictly fulfill your mission. You are simply not meant for more.
  3. Simargl 4 May 2020 07: 37 New
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    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Do you think that transferring domestic plants to foreigners is good?
    It very badly! However, technological stagnation and quality below the skirting board is even worse.

    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    In my opinion, the reason is in the thieving officials and in the same thieving factory management.
    Read about the plant on Lurka - there are up to 40% of "dead souls", there was a time, "worked." "Effective menаhera "also do not always bring profit.

    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Soviet planes were cheaper, as far as efficiency, then at that time the figures were comparable.
    At the time of creation - yes, comparable. However, they began to lose very quickly in terms of noise, fuel efficiency, and comfort.

    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    The reason is still the same, thieves.
    No. This is an effective management of the leadership of the country, in which "people are already doing it" ... and here the borders have opened ...
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And you would compare the prices of imported trucks and domestic, and then you would consider that it is more profitable for the national economy of the USSR.
    Those. on people (workers) - do not care? But this is labor productivity, accident rate, injuries (occupational diseases). No-eee ... if "socialism" - he is like that - what for he is needed!

    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And automotive industry was never a strong point of the USSR
    This is not an excuse!
  4. Tatyana 3 May 2020 13: 00 New
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    Shpakovsky thinks metaphysically, not dialectically. Namely.
    The author took at random in the regional party archive of OFOPO GAPO the document of 1963 - and quotes it. Like, the Russians, who are nagging over the Soviet regime, enjoy the archival truth about "free" medicine in the Penza region of 1961-1963!

    Why say metaphysically?
    - Yes, because application of the principle of determinism (i.e., the principle of causation in the dietetic-materialistic method) in the arguments of the historian Shpakovsky is completely absent. The author sees only that which metaphysically lies on the surface and does not want to look dialectically inside the cause and effect of the research he cited.
    - Moreover, and historical principle of diamat in the arguments of the author also missing. Well, he compared medicine in 1963 during the Soviet era in the Penza region with medicine in 2020 as a fragment of the USSR — the Russian Federation — and not really! And then what?

    Meanwhile, philosophical methods are algorithms of thinking, as in mathematics. Wrong "counted" - the wrong, not reliable answer and you will receive.
    And there are many philosophical methods in history, but not all of them are scientific and therefore not all lead to reliable conclusions.

    So, what is Shpakovsky’s mistake!
    1. Historically, in the scientific plan, it is not entirely correct to associate the data of medical services in 1963 in the Penza Region with medical services under capitalism in the Russian Federation since 2020. 57 years have passed !!!
    2. In 1963, only 18 years passed in the USSR after the Second World War!
    3. A decomposition of the party apparatus began with the advent of N. S. Khrushchev after the death of Stalin in 1953. After all, Khrushchev abolished the criminal responsibility of the party leadership for not fulfilling plans!

    I wonder how a professional historian can ignore such things, essentially pouring mud on the Soviet socialist system and blocking modern capitalism. The author forgot what modern capitalism in the Russian Federation was based on in the 1990s!
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    Quote: Tatiana
    metaphysically lies on the surface and does not want to dialectically look inside the cause and effect of the research he cited

    And the fig? Those who come here, and this is quite enough. They would never have seen such documents ... And so - another document of the era introduced into mass information circulation!
  6. Tatyana 4 May 2020 10: 53 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    And the fig? Those who come here, and this is quite enough. They would never have seen such documents ... And so - another document of the era introduced into mass information circulation!

    The document you put into circulation with elements of political provocation on your part against our country, against the Soviet period, against the restoration of our country from ruin after the Second World War. But I considered you an honest scientist, an objective historian! I was mistaken in you.

    You might not write about the diamat, not stick it out as a method of thinking, but you simply have to think methodologically scientifically competently and consistently as a historian, and not engage in frank political manipulation and dusting the brains of the Russian population and foreign VO readers!

    And the readers (no matter what they were by education) of your articles, you, as an author, must still be respected. For these are our people - the citizens of our country.
    But arrogance is always a bad adviser when it comes to professionalism.
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    Quote: Tatiana
    You introduced with elements of political provocation against our country, against the Soviet period, against the restoration of our country after the Second World War. And I considered you an honest scientist, an objective historian. I was mistaken in you.

    Tatiana thinks the same thing, as it is disgusting to read all this .. God is his judge! hi
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    I was mistaken in you.
    I’m crying from a disorder of feelings ...
    to foreign readers "IN"!
    But let them see what our party archives are hiding!
    And the readers (no matter what they were by education) of your articles, you, as an author, must still be respected.

    And I "still" just respect. The answer is, see ...
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    A document is a document. It is a fact. And that’s all.
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    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And how many machines were sold then? And now? And the products of the chemical industry?
    How, I remember, was the case
    Everyone behind us in steel production
    We overtook all in iron foundry
    But in an intimate way, don’t say
    We are all sorry, not up to par.

    "To each according to his needs." These are the needs of the bourgeois masses and trampled on in the 90s. Where did they come from these masses ...
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    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And how many machines were sold then? And now

    Do you know the quality of those machines? for example turning? with not polished gears? and hammered bolts at the famous Tbilisi factory ... hi The modern center will be replaced by 20-30 such machines ... request
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    Do you know the quality of those machines? for example turning? with not polished gears? and bolts hammered with a sledgehammer at the famous Tbilisi plant ... hi The modern center will be replaced by 20-30 such machines ...

    Imagine, I’ve been working since 1990, and until the death of the Armavir Electrotechnical Plant, the instrumentation and adjustment engineer just repaired turning and surface grinding, and circular grinding machines. I haven’t seen any bolts clogged with a sledgehammer, try to hammer the bolt with a sledgehammer yourself in a car, I will see what you can do.
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    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    hammer a bolt with a sledgehammer in a car, I'll see what you get.

    break a fool? on the bed and in the tin of a car? bully
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    just repaired turning and flat grinding, and circular grinding machines.

    came across products
    Quote: ser56
    Tbilisi plant.
    ?
    I’m not talking about the Communist Party or Izhevsk ... hi
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    break a fool? on the bed and in the tin of a car?

    The bolt bends usually, if you hammer it, the technical expert from you is so-so. Bolts with a persistent thread are usually put in the frame, think before you write.
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    The bolt bends normally, if you hammer it,

    so you don’t even know how to hit straight? bully did you hold the chisel in your hands?
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    technical expert of you so-so

    Seriously ? I will punish, see below ... bully
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Bolts with a persistent thread are usually put in the frame, think before you write.

    but the bolts can be set not red-hot, so you play the clowning ... request
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    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    For all the years of post-Soviet Russia, we have not built ANYTHING

    where is it with us? hi
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      Quote: ser56
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      For all the years of post-Soviet Russia, we have not built ANYTHING

      where is it with us? hi



      He has his own world. Through the looking glass.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    But isn’t that the energy industry switching to gas and coal in such quantities is no longer needed?

    Even the Germans, with a firm hand, protect their coal industry from attacks by all kinds of greens. Throughout the world, coal generation today plays either a leading or simply an important role. Do you offer us to close the mines? Ahead of the planet, huh?
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      There is no longer any coal in Germany. No need to tell tales.
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    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    from cow’s milk, not coconut oil,
    - I’m embarrassed to ask, - where did the herds from in your mining region come from? Did you graze on the dumps?
    Our creameries drove milk powder day and night-- and then you diluted it with water there and raised the fat content including ... yes, yes, the very palm !!!
    After which you drank the "real" cow's milk .....

    And about gas that is of the type "pulling current abroad" —for the last 15 years, twice as many gasified (!!!!!!!) settlements have been gasified - than for the entire post-war history of the USSR ...

    And the factories ... everything was fun with them too ... Who remembers Colchis? This pepelats in organizations was dragged on a tie out of sight to the back yards closer to the scrap metal, because it was impossible to bring it to mind.
    And combines ... officially according to the factory passport, they lost up to 10% of grain, but in reality more ..
    Zil157- the devils that were released for how many years without a power steering (although he was and it was put)
    Cooling faucet VAZ 2101-40 years old let out the car but couldn’t make it so it didn’t turn sour.
    Can anyone explain why in the USSR the Tyumen black battery lasted for a year and a half, and in the 90s the same Tyumen batteries worked 3, and they really worked !!!!
    Cassette recorders almost all chewed cassettes, even new ones.
    Color TVs of the 1st generation weighed like a cast-iron bridge, cost similarly, and even showed with a lilac shade ...
    And so all the products of the USSR ...

    Z.Y. the oligarchs don’t pay me, I don’t have Gazprom shares, I just don’t like the praise of what really wasn’t there. In the USSR there were very few goods that were at least in minimum demand, 200-300 items, not more.

    Z.Z.Z. the author had to attach at least a couple of scans of pages, so that hysteria with shouts of "Liar !!" was less
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      1st generation color televisions

      and repaired once a month ... and weighed 60 kg request
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        and repaired once a month ... and weighed 60 kg

        The Horizont TV, purchased in the mid-80s, was repaired exactly 9 time in 1 years of operation. The second time the master was called when the DMV unit was connected to it. So do not la la. And reduce the weight by a third.
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          TV Horizon was 2 (!!!) Generations, less fun, but did not climb out of the repair
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          And reduce the weight by a third.

          I'm talking about Rubin's parents ... dragged with his father from 4 floors request
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        Quote: your1970
        1st generation color televisions

        and repaired once a month ... and weighed 60 kg request

        Well, at the expense of 60kg., You “bent” a little.
        He weighed about 30kg. Although, only the supply transformer weighed not weakly. bully
        1. ser56 5 May 2020 14: 57 New
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          Quote: brat07
          Well, at the expense of 60kg., You “bent” a little.

          Seriously ? read https://pikabu.ru/story/sovetskie_tsvetnyie_televizoryi_marki_rubin_skan_kataloga_4614586
          I do not expect apologies for the slander request but I will be pleasantly surprised repeat
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          I take my words back. hi
          Then he was young and weighing 60kg. seemed at 30. yes
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          Then was young

          I was young myself, but it was hard and uncomfortable to carry ... drinks
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    And these TVs burned only on the road. Incendiary were televisions. And the Skorokhod boots are armor-piercing.
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    Cassette recorders almost all chewed cassettes, even new ones.

    Gee, about cassette mafons I can answer exactly 99%. They all chewed. And the Japanese chewed no worse, or even better than ours. They gave me in the late 80s for the time National Panasonic, chewed better than my Electronics. And recently drove Technics, 96th year. All four rollers chew the film around the edges. I adjusted the video from the Soviet Elegia of the 87th year of release, at least one pocket began to work normally by half.
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      They all chewed.

      I have Lighthouse 203 - I didn’t notice ... request as an amplifier was Vega -109 with speakers - it worked ...
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      Quote: your1970
      Cassette recorders almost all chewed cassettes, even new ones.

      Gee, about cassette mafons I can answer exactly 99%. They all chewed. And the Japanese chewed no worse, or even better than ours. They gave me in the late 80s for the time National Panasonic, chewed better than my Electronics. And recently drove Technics, 96th year. All four rollers chew the film around the edges. I adjusted the video from the Soviet Elegia of the 87th year of release, at least one pocket began to work normally by half.

      Sharp and Telefunken did not chew on me, although in those days I used TDK and AGFA cassettes. And yes, we always had problems with the LPM mechanism. If you take cassettes from Tasma or from Svema, then I always chose Svema.
      My first tape recorder was Spring-202.
      Very not a bad device.
      Not so often chewed tape.
      And my first reel apparatus was - "Lighthouse - 203".
      Moody, but it could be brought to mind.
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        Sharp and Telefunken didn't chew on me,

        Everyone chews. It depends not only on the tape recorder, but also on the tapes. Personally, I still use them.
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    There were articles entirely from scans ... Do you think there were less tantrums? More!!!
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    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    There may not have been any bananas, but there were still ham, cheeses and red fish. Miners were provided in the first category.

    precisely because of these years the workers were shot in Novocherkassk? hi The author simply showed how people lived!
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      Quote: ser56
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      There may not have been any bananas, but there were still ham, cheeses and red fish. Miners were provided in the first category.

      precisely because of these years the workers were shot in Novocherkassk? hi The author simply showed how people lived!


      Shot for red fish? Man, you’re obviously not all at home. I am not a psychiatrist. Maybe it's worth signing up to a specialist?
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        Shot for red fish? Man, you’re obviously not all at home. I am not a psychiatrist. Maybe it's worth signing up to a specialist?

        1) shot for demanding a good life! hi
        2) Think about yourself bully
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          Quote: sergo1914
          Shot for red fish? Man, you’re obviously not all at home. I am not a psychiatrist. Maybe it's worth signing up to a specialist?

          1) shot for demanding a good life! hi
          2) Think about yourself bully


          I think so. I read such comments, and I want to believe that I am a fool. But no. Everything is different.
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          Quote: sergo1914
          and I want to believe that I am a fool. But no.

          alas, accept this ... request
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      Shot for red fish?

      They shot him when, after the Khrushchev monetary reform, the ruble collapsed 2,5 times, and the workers went on strike. I wonder what they’ll do now if there is a default, and the people will also trample on the square?
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        They shot him when, after the Khrushchev monetary reform, the ruble collapsed 2,5 times, and the workers went on strike.
        at first they sank for the 1947 reform, then the 1961 reform ...
        In the state Desktop class workers went out to express their will - and theirs?
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    Red fish, caviar, and bananas were also sold. For example, on the river. Pyramid (Svalbard). As in the Barentsburg mine of the same archipelago. I know this well, I worked with documents there. And under the Russian Federation, the Pyramid was closed in March 1998, and Burg was almost starved to death.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Red fish sold in mining villages? Were bananas available for sale? Ham? Hard cheeses? It is unlikely.

    Have you ever wondered how such an idea of ​​happiness and paradise differs from the dreams of pigs? I believe the limit of hers is a complete trough! And you? request
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      You won’t be full of ideas, they have zero calories. In abundance there is nothing shameful.
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    Red fish sold in mining villages? Were bananas available for sale? Ham? Hard cheeses?
    That was exactly what happened ... relatives of the miners from near Perm ...
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    I can’t even believe that there can be so many minuses. Now I understand who ate my meat under socialism - 69 kg / person per year. These are the minusers.
    We only had meat in the canteens. And for wild money in the market. When they entered the coupons (in the early 80's) everyone breathed a sigh of relief. There was an opportunity to buy their 800 gr. cooked sausages for a month and 400 gr. sandwich butter.
    And then everyone wonders why the USSR collapsed so easily.
    Just someone ate from the belly and thought that during decay it would be even better to eat. But others didn’t care. Because they are tired of enduring promises. And they saw that somewhere else they were eating when you only had worries, what to eat tonight.
    Minus one. Just answer: why didn’t you go to fight for your USSR? In 17-18, a bunch of people went for their Russia, and all the patriots of the USSR put only cons in 2020.
    After all, there were people at that time. But who followed them?
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      We only had meat in the canteens. And for wild money in the market. When they entered the coupons (in the early 80's) everyone breathed a sigh of relief. There was an opportunity to buy their 800 gr. cooked sausages for a month and 400 gr. sandwich butter.

      Where do you have it?
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        Irkutsk The city is regional. Never been subsidized.
        All my childhood I remember wild queues at supersets. Who had pensioners in the family, he sometimes had one. I then fed my dogs this “meat” when in the 90s the opportunity appeared to buy normal meat. And somewhere around 76-77-78, all to hell was gone. People were just going to the opening of grocery stores, maybe they would bring something. But again, grandmothers. Who else? The rest were at work.
        Nobody worked for us in trade, in the party, aviation, army, etc., etc., etc. There was no access to rations and kits.
        I remember the Soviet sausage or some dumplings with horror. This can’t be eaten at all. At least under normal conditions. Only by hunger.
        And now - 800 gr. boiled sausage and 400 gr. oil per month per person. Buy yourself and enjoy your health. According to vaunted GOSTs, that sausage contained 8-10% of meat. And the butter has already become a sandwich. Then they explained to everyone that the addition of vegetable oils is very good for health. And there was no other.
        And fried on what? Combine and vegetable fat.
        I must say that oil in Gorbachev's times appeared on the market. Sandwich.
        Yes, stick-trees !!! What are you rubbing me here !! Most planted and harvested potatoes. So she was 3 months a year. Then to buy was good luck. And strew mixed with rot. But 10 cents. With what joy were communists allowed to plant potatoes and start cottages? Yes, so that the people at least somehow fed themselves. Onion,%:;:% No.;:%; *? there should be obscene, stored under the cabinets scattered. Because it is not known when you will buy another time.
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          I do not know how it was in Irkutsk in the early 80's, but about this:

          Quote: mmaxx
          According to vaunted GOSTs, that sausage contained 8-10% of meat.

          Nonsense you are shameful.
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            As usual, there are no arguments - we turn to the individual. I would like to personally look into the eyes and ask for a lie. Where were you in the 91st? on the barricades?
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            Where were you in the 91st? on the barricades?

            There were barricades in Moscow, and we have Swan Lake by the box.
            Quote: mmaxx
            Well, you don’t know how it was, so don’t be surprised why the USSR isn’t

            Was there a barricade in Irkutsk? GKChP introduced troops into the city? Really didn’t know. But for life in my city I can describe in detail since the beginning of the 80s, I do not suffer from sclerosis.
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          Well, you don’t know how it was, so don’t be surprised why the USSR isn’t
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          Here you have GOST 23670-79. Read and rejoice. I may have written something in numbers, but I still remember how everything worked. And I also remember how they loved Soviet Power. For all her merits in the past, the 70s and 80s, she lost completely. This despite the fact that the average person could not compare with anything.
          But I still remember half a year of articles in Literaturnaya Gazeta about why cats don’t eat sausages. The name of the newspaper should not be misleading. In the USSR, ALL PRESS was a party. And without the knowledge of the party, no article would ever have been published, and a series, all the more so. Well, maybe one would come out. But then no. Even the then leadership got this sausage question.
          I am not a cat. He ate what they gave. Since then, I usually eat meat. Well, or the most expensive sausage.
          Here's another link for you. Just in case. With what is written personally, I agree. I do not see anything abusive there. https://von-hoffmann.livejournal.com/308316.html. Pay attention to the people in line. These are exactly how it was. No juggling. Although the photos are color and maybe they belong to a later time. Or maybe the photographer had access to the GDR film. For his money, he would not take such a shot. Maybe he was a foreigner.
          No need to fool yourself. It was bad, it was good. And now there is bad and good. And in the USA and in Germany, and in Israel, anywhere. Need to work.
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          Here you have GOST 23670-79. Read and rejoice. I may have written something in numbers, but I still remember how everything worked.

          I studied these GOSTs a long time ago, and compared with modern ones. So disgrace further, the miracle of Irkutsk.
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          Well, so ponastalgiruyte. Remember the unforgettable taste. Sausages. Cry, what it is now, capitalist. Not in accordance with GOST. You can still chew GOST. The taste will remind.
          The miracle is apparently Mordovian.
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          Remember the unforgettable taste. Sausages.

          And I remember him, unlike you.
          Quote: mmaxx
          Not in accordance with GOST.

          This so-called "sausage", cats refuse to eat. Adireverchi, Pinocchio.
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    After all, there were people at that time. But who followed them?

    People wanted to live like in the West. The misfortune of the USSR leadership that they did not allow free trade. Create a company, buy over the hill and sell. Everyone is happy. The same cars could be brought in hundreds of thousands
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    AS Ivanov. "Red fish was sold in mining villages? Were bananas available? Ham? Hard cheeses?"
    It will appear that they appeared, but how many can afford them?)))) That is the question.)))
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    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    Mr. Pseudo-historian and professional LIAR are typed against you in more than one counterclaim.

    Well, the epidemic will end in court and meet. It will be fun. And now you are swaggering. I'll see what you say when you have to pay ...
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      Well, the epidemic will end in court and meet. It will be fun.
      This is true and it will be really funny. What reason do you present to the court? Mr. not respected liar, you are still mediocrity and ignorant in addition, since you do not know elementary norms. What accusation are you going to bring me?
      I'll see what you say when you have to pay ...
      Are you sure that I will have to pay? Or maybe you have to fork out?
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        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        What accusation are you going to bring me?

        commonplace!
        Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

        Defamation, i.e. the dissemination of knowingly false information, discrediting the honor and dignity of another person or undermining his reputation

        shall be punished with a fine of up to five hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to six months, or compulsory work for up to one hundred and sixty hours.

        Slander contained in a public statement, a publicly displayed work or the media

        shall be punished by a fine of up to one million rubles or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to one year, or by compulsory labor for a period of up to two hundred and forty hours.
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          Quote: ser56
          commonplace!
          Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

          Defamation, that is, the dissemination of knowingly false information,

          You first find the exact statistics on the repair of TVs, where they are "once a month repaired", and then speak.
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            You first find the exact statistics on the repair of TVs, where they are "once a month repaired", and then speak.

            1) I'm not an artist to perform, so filter the bazaar ... request
            2) I won’t tell you about all the TVs - but after the repair Rubin had a 3-month guarantee - never the TV could stand it bully And they were tormented until their parents bought a Korean Gold one hundred request Then they presented Electronics Ts 432 to my wedding - the same system broke down every 1-2 months, but the power supply only flew, I spat and put together a 12V plug-in - the TV worked with it less hi I note that I remember well the television station clogged with repair TVs, but after all they brought them there for serious repairs ... And now they simply do not exist bully
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              the same system broke once every 1-2 months, but only the power supply flew

              My TV Youth never broke down at all. While the kinescope did not sit to such an extent that the ball was not visible, he looked, then he gave it ..
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              I have a TV Youth

              as far as I remember, Youth was b / w, passed his scheme in the standings ... repeat
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              as far as I remember, Youth was b / w, passed his scheme in the standings ...

              I had color.
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          What's this??? Are there any admirers of the reliability of Soviet color TVs in the world ??? Someone lucky! Or was there one TV in life?
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          And now they simply are not

          There is a service center. In general, the LCD breaks less often, there are other voltages and the elemental base. Although my Philips 2 years ago broke down after XNUMX years, after repair, this studio has been working successfully to this day
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: ser56
        commonplace!
        Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

        Defamation, that is, the dissemination of knowingly false information,

        You first find the exact statistics on the repair of TVs, where they are "once a month repaired", and then speak.

        Repaired.
        True "on their own" more than once.
        The TV "Horizon", though it was made in Belarus, demagnetized three times the picture tube.
        For the fourth time I decided to dispose of it. Something like that.
        Then he bought the Goldstar.
        It still works, but it’s not with me, but with friends in the country.
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          True "on their own" more than once.

          there are printed circuit boards on a getinax, copper was removed when soldering ... I had to throw wires ... request
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          And I have a friend. In his youth, he studied at the telemaster. So they were taught where to do it so that the equipment would break faster. to work was.
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          And I have a friend. In his youth, he studied at the telemaster. So they were taught where to do it so that the equipment would break faster. to work was.

          I did not study at the telemaster, but I never did such "things"!
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    It will be fun

    alas, no ... afraid ... bully
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    Can you bring the facts of modern realities of life in Russia?

    let's! we wait! For example, we compare infant mortality and tuberculosis incidence hi
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      and, of course, the fighter for the USSR disappeared ... bully
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        and, of course, the fighter for the USSR disappeared ...

        And you are a fighter for what? belay
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          And you are a fighter for what?

          for a normal and well-fed life in Russia request
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    You can write anything.

    I am very sorry, but you initially misinterpreted the meaning of the document.
    As far as I understand, and this is obvious from the document, the Penza Regional Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union points to shortcomings in the work of state structures on the ground, I emphasize once again INDICATES DISADVANTAGES!
    And with specific numbers! The second part of the protocol is most likely about measures and organizational conclusions, about which the author is “modestly” silent.
    And now let's turn to today's day, which the president and others like us are talking about, about the percentage of interest in the common crap for plebs.
    And if we turn to the numbers for medicine today, we’ll be horrified!
    I consider it useful from the point of view of comparing the work of the state apparatus in the USSR and now.
    Comparison will clearly not be in favor of Putinism !!!
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      Quote: Malyuta
      I emphasize once again INDICATES ON DISADVANTAGES

      exactly!
      Quote: Malyuta
      The second part of the protocol is most likely about measures and organizational conclusions, about which the author is “modestly” silent.

      see text, it goes on for years .. request
      Quote: Malyuta
      And if we turn to the numbers for medicine today, we’ll be horrified!

      waiting for your details! hi
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      Quote: Malyuta
      Quote: kalibr
      You can write anything.

      I am very sorry, but you initially misinterpreted the meaning of the document.
      As far as I understand, and this is obvious from the document, the Penza Regional Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union points to shortcomings in the work of state structures on the ground, I emphasize once again INDICATES DISADVANTAGES!
      And with specific numbers! The second part of the protocol is most likely about measures and organizational conclusions, about which the author is “modestly” silent.
      And now let's turn to today's day, which the president and others like us are talking about, about the percentage of interest in the common crap for plebs.
      And if we turn to the numbers for medicine today, we’ll be horrified!
      I consider it useful from the point of view of comparing the work of the state apparatus in the USSR and now.
      Comparison will clearly not be in favor of Putinism !!!


      Throwing beads before Shpakovsky - do not respect yourself. He does not perceive sound thoughts. Generally. The CPSU has raped him for decades in the brain. Never mind. There a serious diagnosis is drawn.
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        Quote: sergo1914
        Throwing beads before Shpakovsky - do not respect yourself. He does not perceive sound thoughts. Generally. The CPSU has raped him for decades in the brain. Never mind. There a serious diagnosis is drawn

        Greetings, Kamrad! drinks Sorry to break in, but Shpakovsky is something belay he can sniff such game that it really becomes scary for him. A couple of three years ago, we "chopped" with him. and you know (sorry for “you”), the weighty arguments are zero, but he gave out what, like, I’m now a teacher at the university, and under the USSR I read, if I remember correctly, scientific communism, something like that, and probably total was a member.
        And now he has articles ala "nostalgia for the USSR", but in the art he will surely kick in the direction of the Soviet power will surely throw it.
        In general, he is still a "figure". wassat
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          Quote: sergo1914
          Throwing beads before Shpakovsky - do not respect yourself. He does not perceive sound thoughts. Generally. The CPSU has raped him for decades in the brain. Never mind. There a serious diagnosis is drawn

          Greetings, Kamrad! drinks Sorry to break in, but Shpakovsky is something belay he can sniff such game that it really becomes scary for him. A couple of three years ago, we "chopped" with him. and you know (sorry for “you”), the weighty arguments are zero, but he gave out what, like, I’m now a teacher at the university, and under the USSR I read, if I remember correctly, scientific communism, something like that, and probably total was a member.
          And now he has articles ala "nostalgia for the USSR", but in the art he will surely kick in the direction of the Soviet power will surely throw it.
          In general, he is still a "figure". wassat


          I agree. Here we have monster led scientific communism. Dad of TV presenter Ekaterina Andreeva. I answered the Juche exam. He was cruelly screwed up for Trotskyism. But the guy is interesting. I was lucky with the teachers. Forgive me, God didn’t do this.
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          Your memory, "Private Airborne", full of holes ....
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      The second part of the protocol is most likely about measures and organizational conclusions, about which the author is “modestly” silent.

      There is a link there. No guessing. You can order a copy and see what is really there ...
      1. Malyuta 4 May 2020 08: 55 New
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        No guessing.

        Good afternoon! hi The point is not completely what documents can be found in the archives, the point is how they can be interpreted.
        In this case, the title of the article can be translated into Russian as follows: "The Soviet government refused to provide medical assistance to a huge number of patients."
        I remember how “perestroika” also included articles with an anti-Soviet interpretation of the exploits of Matrosov, Kosmodemyanskaya, Gastello .., then “Children of the Arbat”, “Gulag Archipelago”, “Korotichki Flames”, “Views”, “Posners”, “Bloody” Stalin, mediocre commanders, "Stalin's plan of attack on Germany, the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact," Katyn "," Repentance "and vmshenka-in the USSR there is no sex.
        Colleague, this is all information and military propaganda.
        You yourself gave a link to how this type of war was born. yes
        1. kalibr 4 May 2020 18: 18 New
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          "The Soviet government refused medical assistance to a huge number of patients."

          Wasn’t that so? Reread the document again. And 300 loonies were sleeping on the floor in a mental hospital or because of the lack of beds, that is, places.
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          Newspaper articles are not sources. A source is a document. Moreover, it should be marked twice. Outgoing - Incoming. Then the document is a document and it can be considered, and newspaper tales are a narrative source. No more. Type of someone's impressions. For exploring the spirit of the era is suitable.
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      With all the shortcomings, medicine is better now and this is a fact.
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    If you’ve been at VO since 2014, then you can remember how many intelligence agents I’ve already visited, as well as a Vlasov, Bandera ... State Department agent. Do not get used to it!

    Thank you for the article! In Israel and Germany he was engaged in medical tourism for citizens of the countries of the former USSR. He talked with Russian-speaking doctors who had Soviet experience.
    I bring the dialogue from memory.
    O.G. (Head of the Department of Oncological Hematology of one of Tel Aviv medical centers, a graduate of the medical faculty of one of the universities of the Ukrainian SSR)
    I. In the Union, they say, medicine was at the level of
    OG: Who is speaking?
    Me: People ...
    OG: Listen to them more ... Soviet ideology is a man of the system. Cardiology, cardiac surgery, orthopedics even less ... a person could be returned to work, to the system ... traumatology is not bad ... oncology is an abandoned area. No one needs a broken screw. Psychiatry generally sucks.
    Me: Well, in the West?
    OG: You show me one Soviet protocol of chemotherapy, which is used or used in the world ... or a visualization method.
    Me: And the availability of medical services, attitudes towards people
    OG: Oh ... whom are you listening to ... they scored people ... not everything and not always, of course ... a mess, window dress, rudeness ... pensioners were treated medically .. for every symptom a drug .. a bunch side effects, side effects of the drug, etc. As a result, a large sheet with a schedule of drugs, the dosage of which, ultimately, led to death.
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      pensioners were treated medically .. for every symptom a drug .. a bunch of side effects, another side effect of a side effect, etc. As a result, a large sheet with a schedule of drugs, the dosage of which, ultimately, led to death.

      Not only pensioners. My mother died at 36 because of these sheets. For 4 years, they killed her kidneys, although she was treated completely from another. The house looked like a branch of a pharmacy
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        Not only pensioners. My mother died at 36 because of these sheets. For 4 years, they killed her kidneys, although she was treated completely from another. The house looked like a branch of a pharmacy

        Bright memory!
        So elementary spit - instead of thinking and analyzing the situation, drawing up an individual treatment plan, they acted "according to instructions."
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          Surgery is military / field. Do not splurge to heal, but cut and sew. The seams after surgery are a separate issue. The bodies of patients have been mutilated for life, especially women. Any appendicitis is a terrible scar for a dozen cm.
          Oncology (of any stage) is almost a death sentence.
          All these supposedly ubiquitous outpatient clinics or a ragged table and a doctor with a stethoscope. Well, and a metal cabinet with a pair of disposable syringes at the age of 15 A.P. Chekhov. Any more or less serious operation-hikes to pull through / through friends / for money in the capital RCH. Terrifying mortality due to postoperative infections and no hygiene in hospitals. Fast, especially in rural areas-killed UAZ / RAFiki without shock absorbers bouncing along all bumps with the patient. All equipment-tarpaulin stretchers)
          1. Krasnodar 3 May 2020 13: 50 New
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            I remember. The hospital in the Ryzhkanovka area (right behind the Chekansky park near the lake) was not bad. Grandfather pulled out with a heart attack. Then a sanatorium somewhere in Lazarevskaya — we brought him toilet paper, and a box of chocolates Bucuria and White Stork for the head doctor of the medical facility. Well, his second hospitalization in a hospital near the planetarium (fractures, accidents) ended in death from PNEUMONIA. Chamber for four at 8 meters. Stink and draft and toilet in the hallway.
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              It was hospital number 3 if I am not mistaken.
              I recall the Soviet experience with hospitals with a shudder)
              Especially syringes with some awful huge needles. And the dental office, as they were going to the Gestapo for questioning)
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                Oh, I remember from childhood ... laughing
      2. dali 7 May 2020 00: 04 New
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        Not only pensioners. My mother died at 36 because of these sheets. For 4 years, they killed her kidneys, although she was treated completely from another. The house looked like a branch of a pharmacy

        And my wife’s mom’s situation was exactly the opposite ... right now she was being treated for some reason, and her kidneys ended completely, and then she herself.
        But it was during the Soviet era that my grandfather, and my mother (was operated on more than once), was saved ...

        Yes, and I saw the hospitals and clinics live ... there was no such tin as you describe ... it is clear that the nomenclature desks were getting better, but I did not see such tin as you describe !!!

        So what do you think, will I believe you or myself and my family ?! belay
        1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 00: 56 New
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          It was, how else. Even in the capitals of the republics, I am generally silent about small cities.
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      Medicine was also unevenly developed as elsewhere (for example, quite advanced studies of hemophilia in Voenmed were conducted). But, of course, the most popular types of treatment were more accessible than now, when getting into a free emergency room is like hell. And this is in St. Petersburg.
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        I do not remember the emergency room at the Union. Now they fall into norms (in Krasnodar), also not without overlaps, but not hell - or just a small city, compared to St. Petersburg
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          I do not remember the emergency room at the Union.

          And I just really remember, and everything was fine there.
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            Maybe I don’t remember.
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        Yes, everything is fine in the injury. SPB, Primorsky district
        Quote: helvetic
        Medicine was also unevenly developed as elsewhere (for example, quite advanced studies of hemophilia in Voenmed were conducted). But, of course, the most popular types of treatment were more accessible than now, when getting into a free emergency room is like hell. And this is in St. Petersburg.
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      BAI 3 May 2020 17: 12 New
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      In Israel and Germany he was engaged in medical tourism for citizens of the countries of the former USSR. He talked with Russian-speaking doctors who had Soviet experience.
      I bring the dialogue from memory.

      I was on medical tourism in Israel.
      1. They recognized that the oncological operation in 62 MOBs was excellent.
      2. For rehabilitation - did NOTHING. No positive progress. Waste of money.
      3. We have PSA accuracy of up to thousandths, in Israel - up to tenths.
      4. I do not consider a graduate of the Baku Medical Academy (has anyone heard of such a thing?) To be the luminary of medicine, although her services are actively being imposed. I myself was at a reception with other professors ($ 800-1500 per appointment), this simple sign caught my eye.
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        Why were you driving? What is rehabilitation after prostatectomy? laughing Or removing adenoma is even more nonsense ... What kind of doctor? $ 1500 only two professors cost, none of them is related to oncology urology
        PSA indicators - in 80% of cases, analyzes made in the Russian Federation are similar to Israeli or German
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        Yes. And now we have nothing to do with rehabilitation at all. For no part. Individual people move it, but no more.
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    hardened banderavets. It is so customary here.

    You are not satisfied that Bandera is called Bandera, what are you doing on the Russian site? Leave him! angry
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Quote: Donald72
      hardened banderavets. It is so customary here.

      You are not satisfied that Bandera is called Bandera, what are you doing on the Russian site? Leave him! angry

      Their mission is this, soon by May 9 they will be here, a whole division spitting the venom of envy and hatred .. soldier
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      And of the manufactured goods, it was very sparse for us to buy something more decent again in St. Petersburg or Moscow, and if you are lucky, you can buy something there. Such was your soviet paradise.

      But now the sausages are full and the fat of the Polish rubber ..?
      Everything was on the markets and cooperatives, only pay money ..
      So it’s not right here .. Most of the whining of the “former allies” they did not live well .. That's the problem, they tried to fill them up with everyone, taking away from those who did it all ..
      I remember everything !
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        Their mission is this, soon by May 9 they will be here, a whole division spitting the venom of envy and hatred ..
        Yes, there will not be, in this article, this information division. Those 30-35 stationary "parishioners of witnesses of negative Russia" who have paper epaulets of "generals of VO" and popping up like the devils from the closet of the "one-day" from the neighboring country 404, as you see, do not want to appear here - they will trample! They hang out in the circle of articles coming out from under the pen of the same experts of the “anti-Russian strawberry,” because they cannot make money on the other.
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        Everything was on the markets and cooperatives, only pay money ..

        So it is now also ...
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      Mr. Shpakovsky cannot get away from his beloved business - a draft on a fan, and all about the USSR. It is strange that Govorukhin, probably, did not want to share his fee in his films about the terrible USSR.
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    you will be

    hardened

    72 in your nickname is the year of birth? Something is not very good with literacy. Or is it on purpose?
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    Yes, not everything was perfect under the USSR. But what’s going on in medicine now is generally tough. You took it in 1962. And why not in 1950, for example?. And what happened in 1978? For the sake of statistics, where did the Soviet medicine?
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      A bad question ... Because it’s impossible to stuff ALL the years of interest to you in one article. In addition, reports like this are not available for all years. That is, similar reports need to be searched by crawling through documents. And this is troublesome. And then he took the folder - it fell into her own hands. But I agree that the dynamics, comparing the results is always interesting. Well then, let's try to do it. When it's over. Now the archive is closed.
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      2. mp-133 3 May 2020 08: 23 New
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        You better not compare with the years of the USSR, with the nineties and with two thousand! That's probably where we overtook everyone!
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          with the nineties and with the two thousandth! That's probably where we overtook everyone!

          You can not compare! Then there was a society of equality and fraternity, the people and the party were one, man was friend to man, comrade and brother, and women were all sisters. And now we have a “regime”, capitalism, man to man is a wolf. Round with fresh not compare!
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        But I know this dynamics even without documents. Because I saw it myself. Medicine went ahead, hospitals and polyclinics were built. I judge it from Smolensk. Or was it wrong in Penza? Now what? And this is not a bad question, but a good one. the place.
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          And I even know this dynamics without documents. Because I saw it myself. Medicine went forward, hospitals and polyclinics were built.

          Yes, in every Malomalsky settlement, there was a feldsher’s point and the doctors left and the helicopters were on medical duty .. And in the West, only for the word "Hello doctor, $ 100 has already been charged ..
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        This is a bad question ... Because it’s impossible to stuff ALL the years of interest to you in one article

        And then you pull out the most problematic years, and then draw thoughtful conclusions. I remember that the years are not the best. But after the mid-60s there was a rapid breakthrough in construction and housing, and hospitals and kindergartens. And the factories opened dozens. if not hundreds. In addition, the problems were seen, not hidden, understood, made the appropriate conclusions and solved.

        That is, that you and the foul-faced are understandable. The principles are not yours (although there is, the end justifies the means, always with the winner or in a timely manner to betray, to anticipate). By all means they dragged themselves humiliating to climb higher, to prove something to themselves and others, but that something did not grow together. And now take revenge on those to whom you have clung to you by hook or by crook. But apparently they saw you through to the feeder, then they let them in, but they did not award them with a high rank (you can clearly assess the moral level). That's the rattle of the soul.
        So what's better about knights. A moral assessment of one time or another is NOT YOURS.
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          they let it go to the feeder, but they did not award a high rank

          And there the competition was for high ranks.
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        A bad question ... Because it’s impossible to stuff ALL the years of interest to you in one article.

        No, the question is just a very good one, to a point. It’s just that you use the most sophisticated, and therefore the most effective, method of all slanderers - to suppress information that is not favorable to you.
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          What is the best year for you, and as soon as the virus ends, I'll see. The requests of readers IN - a holy cause!
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            What is the best year for you, and as soon as the virus ends, I'll see. The requests of readers IN - a holy cause!

            Publish the decision and measures of the regional committee on the issues raised by it.
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              Quote: Alexander Green
              Quote: kalibr
              What is the best year for you, and as soon as the virus ends, I'll see. The requests of readers IN - a holy cause!

              Publish the decision and measures of the regional committee on the issues raised by it.

              "Punish" or do you think that hospitals that were built for 8 years - were they discussed for the first time ????!
              "The construction of N. Lomovskaya, Serdobskaya, Kamenskaya hospitals, which are being built along eight years or more. "
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                "..you think that the hospitals that were built for 8 years were discussed for the first time or something ????!. The construction of N. Lomovskaya, Serdobskaya, Kamenskaya hospitals, which were built for eight or more years, was unacceptably delayed."

                Therefore, it is interesting to know why? Maybe they are more than weighty. Under Khrushchev, with his adventurism, there were a lot of voluntary decisions. Plans could simply be overestimated, but then it was not yet possible for the people to walk around.
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              Publish the decision and measures of the regional committee on the issues raised by it.

              And what will it give? The solution is words. Their implementation could well stretch for YEARS! After all, before that there were words-decisions about the construction of hospitals, and then they were built for 8 years. Not words need to be watched, but what exactly changed in 1965,7,9. compared to the 63rd. Here, people wanted to know in 72 years. In my opinion this is much more interesting. Than to read the next - to correct, deepen, lift and repair. Available explained?
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                And what will it give? The solution is words.

                And what, is it not interesting why it dragged on a long-term construction? Objective reasons or not.
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                  Interesting, of course. But in the indicated document there is not a word about it. Try to search by reports of construction organizations? It is possible, but difficult. Yes, and what will it give? Something is always objective, something subjective. Calculate%? Troublesome and will not pay off the time and money spent. The result - 91 years is known to us. Therefore, it makes sense to look at the data for the 75th year - the peak of prosperity of "stagnation" or the 72nd - depending on which year there will be a similar document.
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                    Troublesome and will not pay off the time and money spent. The result - 91 years is known to us.

                    Those. you do not want to spend money ... belay But what about the accusation of this majority in one of your comments? belay
                    You are by no means as greedy and stupid as you said about the majority? belay
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                    You see, for them it can be a one-time promotion. It even happens to be interesting ... Here you can spend money. For me it is a permanent job. A permanent job at a loss can not go! And then ... What didn’t you finish to the end? The result - 91 is known to me. The goal of your colleagues ’action is different - to prove my" bullies ". Available explained?
  • Pravodel 3 May 2020 09: 20 New
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    The main question: what and what is this article about ?! If about the shortcomings that existed in the USSR, then yes, there were shortcomings, there is nothing to hide them, but if about the fact that the USSR was a scoop that did not care about people, which did not give a damn about people, then this is an absolute lie.
    That's right, there were no drug addicts in the USSR, but they weren’t not because they really weren’t, but because the addiction didn’t have the scale that it reached under the liberals ... and nobody fought with it: not with what was the fight. In fact, drug addicts existed, there were dens of drug addicts, there were used ampoules, devices for preparing mixtures in parks in certain places. I testify, because I saw it myself. But this was not the general problem that it became after the collapse of the USSR.
    In the USSR, in addition to kindergartens, there were also nurseries, where a working mother gave her child when she went to work. By the way, the day nursery began to disappear when labeled - Gorbachev, who allowed mothers to stay at home until the 3-year-old children. And so, after 2 months, my mother went to work, and the children surrendered to a nursery. There were really not enough places in the nursery, kindergartens, as well as in schools. But they were not enough, not because nurseries, kindergartens, schools were not built, but because the birth rate was such that the construction did not keep up with the birth rate, so we really had to wait for a place in the nursery and kindergartens. In schools everywhere there were 2, and in some places, and 3 shifts. For example, in the school where I worked, there were 5 senior classes from the 5th to the 8th and each class had 46-48 students. And this is not in the very last city of the union. Now imagine what could be on the periphery ...
    But all this does not mean that the USSR was bad and terrible, but only means that there was not enough money for construction with the construction technology that existed at that time. They were also lacking because the USSR was forced to fight the hegemon, maintain its own defense capability, constantly being under the pressure of external pressure, and the possibility of attack. For example, after the war, there was not enough electric energy, so when creating and testing an atomic bomb, disconnect cities and entire regions from electricity. But this again does not mean that the USSR was terrible and that the USSR did not give a damn about citizens, but only means that the creation of an atomic bomb is a condition for the survival of the state and its citizens ... would you write articles in the Higher Education if the USSR had not created atomic bomb, you can only guess.
    Here are some thoughts that the articles suggest in which the so-called completely truthful material is based on archives. True, of course, it should be. But the truth should be historical, and not pulled out of the archive in the form of an archive certificate. I think that if you delve into the archives, you can find a certificate on the amount of feces released by the sewer systems of domestic sewage systems in one or another city, but this will not mean at all that citizens in one city “spoil” more than in another city. So it is with absolutely truthful references from historical archives ... There is no need to spoil the past, but you need to honestly and truthfully study it.

    Here, in fact, are some considerations for using the open archives of Russia and the Union.
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    Quote: kalibr
    You can write anything. Here is an official document reflecting the realities of that life.

    I thought that the author decided to compare the real situation in medicine in the USSR of the times of Khrushchev (17 years after the end of the Second World War) with the current 28-year-old capitalist “creation” ... But no. Another portion of dirt from Putin's training manual “How galoshes were made in the USSR and slaughtered old dairy cows for meat”.
    You know what, the author I disrespect personally. Without your libel we have enough joy of "zeroing" and "self-isolation." I just won’t begin to list and compare what was restored, rebuilt, created for the first time in the world in 17 post-war years and what was successfully “poher” in twenty-eight. No need to throw beads. Here is just one quote from you:
    An acute shortage is felt in the cities in the nursery. Instead of 5000 places there are 2210. Currently, there are 7 thousand children who need to be identified in a nursery. Great need for child care facilities is available at the watchmaking, CAM, compressor, Penzmash, Penzkhimmash and other workers' factories.

    Indeed, the shortage of places in kindergartens and nurseries was enormous. Moreover, the schools had several classes: 5A, 5B, 5V, 5G, etc. In my school there were just so many of them. And you know why? But on this:

    Only today, despite the low birth rate, places in kindergartens are not enough:
    As follows from the document, on November 1 in the Russian Federation 205,3 thousand children were not provided with a place in a preschool, which is almost 30 thousand less than on October 1.

    By the way, in the early 60s only in Moscow there were much more than 200 children ...
    And as for the factories:
    ... sentinel, CAM, compressor, Penzmash, Penzkhimmash and others.

    It is unlikely that you today will find them in nature in general, as well as the workers of these plants with all the attached attributes and needs ...
    Any document can be used in two ways. You did it.
    hi
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      It is unlikely that you will find them today in nature at all

      I will ignore all your personal attacks. But here it is ... ALL THE TIME I WRITE HERE: BEFORE YOU WRITE - DO NOT POP THE INTERNET. And see if I am right or not. And do not guess !!! Guessing gypsies! And now a little personal experience. My daughter works as a sales manager in an enterprise that sews luxury clothing. With the onset of the epidemic, of course, they sew masks. And she is phoning local businesses now in search of orders. And that’s amazing. Plants in Penza turned out to be full! In addition to the large ones that you called, dozens, if not hundreds of medium and small ones, appeared. For example, she found some plant ... working for space. There are 15 (!) People in total, 5 managers and 10 workers and everything is automated. There is a 3D printer and ... There was one NIIEMP, it became 3 ... and everyone works, everyone orders masks and a lot. Recently I needed to treat a tooth. He went into the street opposite the clinic, in the depths of the housing estate. And there, in rows, are the working buildings! In the pines! But you can’t say that it’s a plant. And everyone works. And there are trucks, including foreign ones. So not everything is as bad as some people think.
      1. Ross xnumx 3 May 2020 07: 18 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        I will ignore all your personal attacks.

        You are not the authority that I listened to your calculations. There are official documents, statistics, data from the RIA ... And you "snatched" the information from the anonymous letters and shook them here before us, as if we did not live in the 60s and did not see it with our own eyes.
        There were many difficulties, but they were fought with, and, MOST IMPORTANT, they did not arise due to the theft of budget funds.
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          And you “pulled” the information from the anonymous letters and shook it here before us, as if we had not lived in the 60s and had not seen it with our own eyes.

          Since when "Minutes of the meeting of the Bureau of the OK Party of the CPSU from January 14.01 to March 16.03.1963, 5893. F. 1. Op. 12. Unit XNUMX. The Penza Industrial Regional Committee of the CPSU. The special sector" became "anonymous"? And you lived, yes, and I lived, but we, the ordinary "scoops," were not informed of all this.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          There were many difficulties, but they were fought with, and, MOST IMPORTANT, they did not arise due to the theft of budget funds.

          There are documents about how they were stolen. It's just silly to embed them in this article. But everything will be with time ...
          1. Alexander Suvorov 3 May 2020 09: 52 New
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            kalibr (Vyacheslav)
            There are documents about how they were stolen. It's just silly to embed them in this article. But everything will be with time ...
            In the USSR, there were at least documents regarding theft and even oddly enough the OBHSS worked. Another thing is that with the death of Stalin, Judas Khrushchev ruled out the purge of the highest echelons of power as such. From here it went and went.
            BUT, do you want to bring documents about the theft of the Russian budget? Soviet party nomenclature to modern robbers as to Beijing on foot. But, it’s not for this part that you touch the modern gut of the gut is thin, it is not for you to defame the USSR, for this you can get into the snout, but you can and even worse. Where is it safer to cluck about flaws in the USSR, isn’t Mr. "whistleblower"?
            Yes, and those who were at the helm of the late USSR, they also put a hand to its collapse in order to be able to legalize the loot.
            And such weathercocks as you are always ready to crow "glory to the CPSU", and then "glory to Putin", you don’t get used to changing shoes, the main thing is to keep your nose in the wind, it is a weather vane in Africa too. negative
            1. kalibr 3 May 2020 17: 33 New
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              But, you are not on this part, touch the modern gut

              I work with documents. Do you have them about the elite? Write an article about this with links to documents and VO will always publish it.
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          Nichese anonymous.
      2. 210ox 3 May 2020 08: 33 New
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        For ten workers, one leader is enough ... And not five.
        1. Fat
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          Quote: 210ox
          For ten workers, one leader is enough ... And not five.

          Are you Dmitry from the moon? Count:
          Director
          accountant (he is a personnel officer),
          technologist (he is also a designer and a specialist in rigging),
          zavskladom (he is also a supplier and specialist in sales),
          site master (if one shift).
          Total 5, This is the minimum. These are "seven with a spoon." here are those with a bipod from one to a hundred.
          Shabashnik enterprise and team - different things request
          1. 210ox 3 May 2020 10: 30 New
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            Yes, this is understandable. Sharazhka family. Well, an example was given by Shpakovsky ... what And so all over the country.
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            Somewhere 1989-90. A delegation of the Krasnozavodsk factory traveled to Krasnozavodsk factory, where hunting cartridges are made, to strengthen international cooperation and study best foreign practices, whether to Cyprus or Crete.
            Comparison.
            Krasnozavodsk - several workshops (the size of a plane can be assembled) 200-300 people workers (this is only for cartridges - by-products). 300 rounds per month.
            Cyprus - 2 rooms, 10 people, 1 machine, which does everything from assembly to packing cartridges (NONE OF AN ENGINEER. As the owner of the company said, it’s expensive to maintain it). 250 rounds per month. So consider the necessary managers.
            1. Fat
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              Quote: BAI
              Somewhere 1989-90. A delegation of the Krasnozavodsk factory traveled to Krasnozavodsk factory, where hunting cartridges are made, to strengthen international cooperation and study best foreign practices, whether to Cyprus or Crete.
              Comparison.
              Krasnozavodsk - several workshops (the size of a plane can be assembled) 200-300 people workers (this is only for cartridges - by-products). 300 rounds per month.
              Cyprus - 2 rooms, 10 people, 1 machine, which does everything from assembly to packing cartridges (NONE OF AN ENGINEER. As the owner of the company said, it’s expensive to maintain it). 250 rounds per month. So consider the necessary managers.

              Your engineer is expensive, and easier and cheaper to contract with the manufacturer of the machine, and in many other respects the same. Do we have many such services for sale?
              Probably only bookkeeping ... one specialist leads several enterprises.
            2. begemot20091 3 May 2020 19: 58 New
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              Well, why take a piece out. and that this plant does not produce defense products? cartridges are a byproduct. take the Shostkinsky powder - Peter-1 built. and you are patrons ... Tell me more about the Minotaur in Crete. how do you like to rake shit, then lick and spit.
            3. kalibr 4 May 2020 07: 53 New
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              Quote: BAI
              t and count the necessary managers.
              And the level of quality of the economy! Not surprisingly, everything fell apart!
            4. mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 29 New
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              Here is just another organization of TOTAL production. Regular suppliers of quality components. Constantly deductible percentage for servicing the entire technology. In other words, the plant is delivered as a turnkey solution. He does only what he can.
              We have not reached this point. We have military approaches in industry. They should do everything themselves.
      3. 210ox 3 May 2020 10: 28 New
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        Author. Where is the compressor, watch and engineering? By the way?
        1. kalibr 3 May 2020 17: 36 New
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          Where is the compressor, watch and engineering?

          You have not tried to contact the Internet. I tried and here: Penzkompressormash - opening hours, reviews and contacts
          Yandex.Maps ›Penza Compressor Plant now
          Penzkompressormash in the Oktyabrsky district with rating, reviews and photos. Addresses, telephones, opening hours, location map.
          1. 210ox 3 May 2020 17: 49 New
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            You did not understand. Do they work at all? And not about some kind of legal address.
            1. kalibr 3 May 2020 17: 51 New
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              Work! And why do you need Internet addresses and phone numbers with ratings and product reviews? And driving directions ... Beyond that, such questions for me today!
      4. Sergey S. 3 May 2020 11: 34 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        And there, in rows, are the working buildings! In the pines! But you can’t say that it’s a plant. And everyone works. And there are trucks, including foreign ones. So not everything is as bad as some people think.

        You wrote a whole detective story ...
        In the pines are working buildings! - It looks like this is not a factory. and the office ...
        Moreover, the plant does not resemble ...
        The wagons are foreign ... and something is being taken out of the pines ...
        Or even worse - something is being brought into Penza ...
        And some believe that not everything is so bad ...

        And now without fussing.
        Free Russia has lost precision engineering.
        And this is not the case in the pines ...
        And, imitating the City of London, it replaced Great Industry with offices such as "Horns and Hooves."
        To put it mildly, the workers and engineers were retrained ... So one of the welders, who cooked a flower garden and even copper, at the retirement age in the 2000s was pushed by plumbing realities.
        Separated managers ...
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          import something into Penza ...

          I looked - loaded from us!
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    Only nine years have passed since the death of Stalin ...
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      Only nine years have passed since the death of Stalin ...

      Stalin, Stalin ... an outstanding personality, but June-November of the 41st is also Stalin. Swam due to the mass heroism of the Soviet people. Which does not deny its clear, truly unparalleled in the world, the evacuation and launch of industry beyond the Urals. But still.
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    And now you can write such "laudatory odes"? I doubt it, because the manager’s effectiveness will fall and he may suffer. So now everything is just perfect!
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    Quote: kalibr
    Here is an official document reflecting the realities of that life. In the text all data is given on it. I did not invent it.

    nothing he can object to the DOCUMENT. And on the topic, from him -NO WORDS

    Therefore, the course comes from the ill-mannered- disgusting rudeness.

    and after all this document was not published in Pravda - only the first, laudatory part was printed there, but about lousy patients. sleeping hundreds on the floor, not a word ....

    in the USSR there were, and quite a few, amazing doctors, but you could not choose them and go to them yourself.

    In the early 1980s for a child I needed urgently to find a cure, we traveled all the pharmacies of the city and the surrounding area, but no, at least cry! All connections were lifted and they brought me out for people “in the subject” for money, they sent me to the pharmacy warehouse of Lechsanupra and there for very good bribe money I bought everything and delivered it to the excellent resuscitation doctors and it all ended happily.

    during blood donation (donation) hepatitis was introduced to me and when my children needed blood already, I couldn’t donate it ...

    I, by the way, had to be in closed hospitals and clinics Lechsanupra USSR for white people, of course, it was heaven and earth compared to ordinary institutions ...

    and don’t forget, yes, that today a person lives in Russia much longer. than in the USSR.
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      and we will not forget, yes, that today people in Russia live much longer. than in the USSR.

      Today, those who grew up during the Soviet era and ate real foods live longer, this is not the merit of today's life. Those who are growing today will not live so much today, not a single conscript in the army can be found 100% healthy today.
      1. Olgovich 3 May 2020 11: 07 New
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        Today, those who grew up during the Soviet era and ate real foods live longer, this is not the merit of today's life.

        What are you carrying?

        at your idols whole generations have grown on "real" products and managed to die at a much younger age. than today.
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          with your idols, entire generations grew up on "real" products and managed to die at a much younger age. than today.

          Are you not in cemeteries? Look, new burial places, who are there - mostly young
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            Are you not in cemeteries? Look, new burial places, who are there - mostly young

            Today people live LONGER than with you. This is the statistics.

            And it's not your right through
            1. Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 15: 47 New
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              And it's not your right through

              All statistics in the cemetery ...
            2. helvetic 3 May 2020 16: 07 New
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              But the population decline is an obvious reality of the modern RF, which cannot be explained in any way only by the global demographic transition. Apparently, “demographic optimism” in the USSR was provided by something more serious than a varied diet.
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                But the population decline - quite obvious reality modern Russia, which can not be explained only by the global demographic transition.

                this reality came from the demographic catastrophe of the 1930s, from the first place in the world in abortion, from the first places in the world in alcoholism and smoking.

                By 1991, the people had come old and small.
                Quote: helvetic
                "demographic optimism" in the USSR

                People became extinct since 1964 Mr. is it with you ... optimism? belay
                1. Alexander Greene 4 May 2020 00: 42 New
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                  The people have died out since 1964, is it with you ... optimism?

                  Are you okay? In 1964, the USSR was 220 млн. residents, in 1990 already - 285 million people.
                  1. Olgovich 4 May 2020 09: 31 New
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                    Are you okay? In 1964, there were 220 million inhabitants in the USSR, in 1990 already - 285 million people.

                    With you, definitely not in order: with 1964 years extinction in the USSR went-DEPOPULATION is called

                    If only one child was born in the family, then this is an increase only for the morons. For it means EXTINCTION. families

                    Got it, no? no
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                    If only one child was born in the family, then this is an increase only for the morons. For it means EXTINCTION. families

                    And 65 million. Where did they come from?
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                    And 65 million. Where did they come from?

                    is there something literacy for the ignorant and hard-to-understand? request

                    Be educated yourself! there is a bunch of literature on this subject.

                    in 1964, the total fertility rate ceased to provide a simple substitution of generations net population of Russiareproduction ratio dropped below unity.

                    The country entered a period of hidden depopulation

                    "Demoscope"
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                    Quote: Olgovich
                    is there something literacy for the ignorant and hard-to-understand?

                    Quote: fuxila
                    The Russian village, which always provided the main growth, began to empty.

                    Guys, Don't put a shadow on the wattle fence. Really all 65 million from the Caucasus. and Central Asia, look at their numbers, where there are 65 million.
                    And the village was devastated by urbanization, the village moved to the city.
                    PS You better pay how today Russia and other former republics die out.
                  5. Olgovich 5 May 2020 07: 43 New
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                    Guys, Don't put a shadow on the wattle fence. Really all 65 million from the Caucasus. and Central Asia, look at their numbers, where there are 65 million.


                    Russian Cross, you know?

                    Is it because of ..... half a year formed? fool belay

                    YOU led to him decades- from the demographic catastrophe of the 30s: NOT ONE generation after birth 1910 -DO NOT REPEAT YOURSELF!

                    200 million abortions — in more than the whole world combined at one time.
                    First places in the world in alcoholism, smoking, suicide
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    PS You better pay how today Russia and other former republics die out.

                    "thank you" to you, the destroyers of the country since 1917.

                    urbanization? Is this an alternative to the village? In Russia, that there was no land. how is it in the West? fool

                    Without you, the city would live, and Siberia would be populated.

                    After you, as mom passed, the desert and extinction ...

                  6. Alexander Greene 6 May 2020 13: 59 New
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                    Stop whistling and clicking. 65 million increase over 25 years. Better calculate how many now died out without a war ..
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                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Stop whistling and clicking.
                    stop being an ignoramus and LEARNING.

                    a disgrace ....
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    65 million increase over 25 years

                    fool
                    and- EXTINCTIONhidden since 1964 and opened since 1992.

                    And you led him 1930h
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Better calculate how many now died out without a war ..

                    poke your wife.

                    When YOU country suffered the MOST terrible loss in the population and territory in its entire history of more than a thousand years.

                    These are just FACTS.
                  8. Alexander Greene 7 May 2020 22: 00 New
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                    It's just FACTS

                    These are not just facts, this is your distortion. This is the method of all slanderers, you think. readers do not understand that the scale of feudal wars is incorrect to compare with
                    the scale of the world imperialist wars. Although this is for you a light bulb, you just need to crow, and there even though the sun does not rise ..
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                    These are not just facts, this is your distortion.

                    these are FACTS. which you are not able to crank out, except to try to bite.

                    But no!

                    Chop the TRUE on your forehead: When YOU country suffered the MOST terrible loss in the population and territory in its entire history of more than a thousand years.

                    _ Hunger, abortion, alcoholism, war, camps, etc., which killed the Russians, there wasn’t such a thing before you.

                    Refute, liar!
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                    [quote = Olgovich] _ starvation, abortion, alcoholism, war, camps, etc., which killed the Russians, this was not even before you. [/ quote [quote = Olgovich] Refute, liar! [/ quote]
                    You can develop the fantasies of your sick imagination, they are limitless, especially in the spring ...
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                    You can develop the fantasies of your sick imagination, they are limitless, especially in the spring.

                    Yes you just not.... lol can lol ! You- lol insolvent lol !

                    what is your soul, except Marsism, lies, empty talk without figures and facts and ignorance?

                    EMPTINESS! lol

                    disgrace ...
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                    disgrace ...

                    Well, what can I say about this? Deaf, let him hear. And you do not, you do not care what the pillar to explain.
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    And 65 million. Where did they come from?

    The nation does not die out at once, at first there is a process of so-called aging, when the number of old people increases in percentage terms compared to young people. This is exactly what happened to the Russians. But at the same time there was an explosive population growth in the Caucasus and Central Asia, where huge funds were invested from the donor republic of the RSFSR, while the Russian village, which always provided the main growth, began to empty.
  • Alexander Greene 6 May 2020 14: 02 New
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    The Russian village, which always provided the main growth, began to empty.

    The Russian village is emptying due to the fact that there was no life under the shit. Collective farms were dissolved, schools and hospitals were closed.
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    Collective farms were dissolved, schools and hospitals were closed.

    Are you talking about not promising villages in the 1970s? hi
  • Alexander Greene 7 May 2020 22: 12 New
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    Are you talking about not promising villages in the 1970s?

    No, it's me about your Medvedev. It was his reform, in the city where I spent the childhood (35 thousand inhabitants) there were 3 hospitals and 5 clinics. Now they have left 1 hospital and 1 polyclinic ..
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    Quote: Alexander Green
    about your Medvedev.

    alas or cheers, I'm not the president of the Russian Federation request
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Now they have left 1 hospital and 1 polyclinic ..

    I don’t know the details, but if only the bosses were cut (6 sets), it’s not so bad ...
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    And who said that now she is perfectly truthful?)
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    Vodka should be less involved or substances. And not so many young people.
    1. Alexander Greene 3 May 2020 15: 38 New
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      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Vodka should be less involved or substances. And not so many young people.

      And you pay attention to the wrappers of products, which E-shki feed you, which poisons are not there.
      1. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 15: 51 New
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        As if preservatives were not used in the Soviet Union? But nitrates in vegetables, and the uncontrolled use of pesticides, have not heard? How was cotton watered in Central Asia that Uzbeks died of oncology? The naturalness of Soviet products is the lack of surrogation technologies, not only here, but all over the world. We would have come to this, even if the Union had not broken up.
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          That's when the Uzbeks (for the most part, however, Karakalpaks) really began to die in mass from oncology, so when the island of Renaissance ceased to be an island and the Aral was dry. And now, in independent Uzbekistan (where, by the way, some rudiments of Soviet medicine have survived), they will definitely be cured ....
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          As if preservatives were not used in the Soviet Union? But nitrates in vegetables, and the uncontrolled use of pesticides, have not heard?

          We had natural canned foods (salt, vinegar), added to canned foods for long periods of storage, no one added them to milk and sour cream, no one soaked herring in formalin. And the rates of soda in our country were two orders of magnitude lower than abroad.
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            according to the principle how much they sent, they used so much, that is, from the bulldozer. I flew at aerial chemical works, there the fields were sprinkled with real poison.
            we had to empty the warehouse for a new batch of nitrate (1980), they took it and moved it to a ravine ... 6000 tons of nitrate .... next to the river ....
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            we had to empty the warehouse for a new batch of nitrate (1980), they took it and moved it to a ravine ... 6000 tons of nitrate .... next to the river ....

            Under Stalin, this would have been “10 years without the right of correspondence,” but your brethren today would have raised a howl that they had repressed for nothing ..
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            Under Stalin, it would be “10 years without the right of correspondence,”

            Read the "Joint meeting of the People’s Commissariat of Communications and the Prosecutor's Office", 1934 ..... with wild surprise you will find out that the amount of embezzlement from mailers was such that Vasilieva plays in the sandbox, and Zakharchenko nervously smokes on the side ......
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            Vasilyeva plays in the sandbox, and Zakharchenko nervously smokes aside ......

            And you add and compare the other Russian thieves to them, and for that they’ll get nothing. You have no wild surprise for this ?. And in the 30s, many paid for these deeds, now you record them all in innocent repressed ..
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            Vasilyeva plays in the sandbox, and Zakharchenko nervously smokes aside ......

            And you add and compare the other Russian thieves to them, and for that they’ll get nothing. You have no wild surprise for this ?. And in the 30s, many paid for these deeds, now you record them all in innocent repressed ..
            -Well, and then it’s quite easy for us to evade responsibility belay
            “Someone Belokopytov worked in Voronezh without any verification and stole a bag of 39.500 rubles. Andreev, the head of the insurance department, wrote a bill, but this bill was destroyed by Belokopytov. We only found out when we asked for a bank that said it was his bag and that the money please give it back ... After that, we began to search and found out that Belokopytov bought the house in Voronezh for this bag received from the People’s Commissariat for Finance, began to furnish it and according to current traditions plant greenery around. They became interested in this, began to say why we do not have such a house and green spaces, but he has everything. When Belokopytov found out that they were interested in his bag, he, of course, escaped."
            “In the Mines, a certain Carbut was immediately allowed into the mail car without any verification, and he immediately stole 24 thousand rubles and hid."
            "In Astrakhan, a professional thief Demyanenko was allowed to work, who was sentenced to 10 years, escaped from exile, went to work for us and immediately stole 20 thousand rubles."

            And this is my favorite lol
            "In the Kiev region, Pinikovsky stole money and was sentenced to public censure"Doesn’t resemble anything?
            "The Western Communications liaison officer Vladimirov was convicted of 10 years of imprisonment for fraud and embezzlement, but he forgot arrest, he left. "- guess how much FORGOT(!!!!) to arrest CONDEMNED (!!!!!)?

            But why repressions (and even executions !!!!!) can not solve anything:

            "Comrade Stalin, making a report on the economic situation of the USSR on the Leningrad asset, drew attention to the fact that we still haven’t created a moral atmosphere to combat theft. Talking about the merciful theft of some farther with a mustache who was stealing in front of all, Comrade Stalin warned that here it is impossible to confine oneself to the GPU measures alone, to measures of repression alone, that more real measures are needed here than repression measures. We understand the significance of these repressive measures, criminal in particular; we can apply them firmly and decisively enough! But we must admit that by some measures of repression we will not do anything if we do not create such a mood in the environment surrounding the rogue, whichwould instruct every citizen to look at a crook as a spy and traitor. Meanwhile, we have such phenomena are often observed when a rogue is patted good-naturedly on the shoulder and even seem to approve of his dexterity and courage, when they talk about a dexterous thief and even quite loudly: well, well done, they say, how much he licked! .."

            And this is the question of the amounts stolen only by money transfer:
            (For understanding at this moment, the maximum part was 600 rubles)
            “What is the dynamics of the loss and theft on transfer amounts? In 1931 there were so-called shortages on transfer amounts identified by the Bureau of Translation Control by 10 million rubles to 10 billion rubles of turnover; in 1932, 16 –17 million rubles to 15½ billion rubles of turnover: in 1933 - 17 million rubles to 16½ billion rubles of turnover, and thus their growth is by no means less than the growth of the turnover itself, the share of these shortages in 1933 is about 0,09% of the total turnover. The dynamics of theft and embezzlement from these amounts is expressed in the following data: in 1933, for the entire year of embezzlement and embezzlement was 10½ million rubles, for 9 months Evt of the year - 12 million rubles in excess, that is, for 9 months of embezzlement and embezzlement there were more than for the whole of 1933. The second payments were 6½ million rubles in 1933 and 7,7 million rubles for 9 months of 1934. We have the same data on the growth of embezzlement and on the annual balance. By analyzing these data district by region, it is possible to identify the regions and the main culprits of these phenomena. I was given a choice of a list of these regions. Western region versus 300 thousand roubles. 1933 - about 500 thousand rubles. for 9 months of 1934 (head of department Comrade Gavrilov).
            The Middle Volga Administration - 584 thousand rubles. for the whole of 1933 and
            1. 700 thousand rubles. for 9 months of 1934 (head of the communications department, Comrade Zharkov).
            In the East Siberian Administration in 1934, the theft and loss amounted to almost 1½ million rubles. (Head of Communications Department Comrade Kazakov).
            Western Siberia - there, according to statistics, waste has slightly decreased. So, according to data for 9 months. 1934 t. Novikov expects to catch up and overtake 1933
            In the Sverdlovsk Communications Directorate, Comrade Sinkov has a theft of over a million in the region.
            In the city of Moscow, which is especially unacceptable, the head of the postal service department, Comrade Stekhov, committed theft in the amount of 1.120 thousand rubles. "
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            And this is my favorite

            How little do you find it necessary - savor, how thieves acted ..
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            Quote: your1970
            And this is my favorite

            How little do you find it necessary - savor, how thieves acted ..

            I'm sorry but you fool fool
            If it didn’t get to you that under Vladimirov Bold black print is highlighted - that under Stalin they not only stole millions (these are the billions of today, at least !!! and even trillions!) But there was wild corruption that allowed us to FORGET FORGOTTEN CONDEMNING THE CONDEMNED ... .
            I haven’t heard about this now ... hush up, bribe a judge, intimidate witnesses, everything happened in the 90s ... but in order to FORGET now to forget to arrest the CONDEMNED
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            under Stalin, they not only stole millions (these are the billions of today, at least !!! or even trillions!) but there was wild corruption that made it possible to FORGET the arrest of the convicted ....

            Well, and how many people "forgot" to arrest? One case? Two cases ,? Some of the enemies managed to cover them, and you blame the whole system? Schoolchildren probably don’t even do that.
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            That is, to read the text of the meeting to you in the bastard?
            There, only the Moscow postmaster 1 (!!!!) stole money for the rifleman of the division or 3 T-34 tanks ...
            One!!!!! And there were such administrations in the country ....

            And this is an organization in which there was nothing to steal !!!! Not industry, not scribble, not finance, not even railway ...

            You think just like that in the country in1934 there were 62 accidents on the railway ??? Yeah, schaz ..... the train was derailed and robbed ....
            They introduced a decree 7/8 and over 4 years the accident rate fell 20 times (!!!) to 3

            There was no corruption under Stalin, huh huh ....

            Z.Y. about a fake military unit in which orders were awarded, and the military enlistment office called on fighters to even recall it was uninteresting
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            to the division’s gunner or 3 T-34 tanks ...

            You read and take the fishing rod, from where did the Soviet state take the funds for the construction of factories, factories, steamboats, if everything was plundered by the police masters ...
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            Read you
            -You better read the documents of those times. I gave you examples from the life of those times. The railway in general was a mess and chaos was utter with anarchy. The story of Koreiko who stole echelons was not fiction, an absolute reality, Ilf and Petrov took it from the newspaper feuilleton, think for yourself how much you can take in a hungry year for a train of food.
            Not the decree "7/8", nor the words of Kaganovich "Every accident has a name, surname and position" - they are not just like that - from the bulldozer and not because "Stalin-hammered terran !!" - life forced to take such measures.

            Quote: Alexander Green
            where did the Soviet state come from for the construction of factories, factories, ships, if everything was plundered by the police masters ....
            -again
            "In 1931 there were so-called shortages in the transfer amounts identified by the Bureau of Translation Control by 10 million rubles to 10 billion rubles of turnover; in 1932, 16-17 million rubles to 15½ billion. rubles turnover: in 1933 - 17 million rubles to 16½ billion rubles turnover. "- total was stolen in 3 years 44 млн rubles.
            “The cost of PPSh in 1941, that is, at the very early stage of its development in production, was 500 rubles, which was already in order comparable to the cost of a rifle of the 1891/30 model in the same period - 163 rubles, and significantly lower than the price self-loading rifle SVT, which according to pre-war plans was to become the main small arms in the Red Army by 1942 - 713 rubles for 1940, though with a planned reduction in the future to 508 rubles. "

            This money (44 million) could be produced
            PPSh - 88 000 Pieces
            Mosin 1891/30 - 269 938 Pieces
            SVT - 61 711 Pieces

            “In this aspect, data on the purchase prices of tanks and armored vehicles (“ Order Plan for NPOs, NKVMF, NKVD for 1940 ”) published on the website“ www.rkka.ru ”will apparently be interesting. So, in particular, KV -1 it was planned to buy at 950000 rubles., T-34 at 300000 rubles., BT-7 at 162800 rubles., T-26 at 90908 rubles., T-40 at 48715 rubles., BA-10 at 46680 rubles., BA -20 for 18749 rubles (and a TIZ-50 motorcycle with a sidecar purchased at 11500 rubles). "

            This money (44 million) could be produced
            KV-1 - 46 pcs.
            T-34 - 146 pcs.
            BT-7 - 270 pcs.
            T-26 - 484 pcs.
            T-40 - 903 pcs.
            BA-10 - 942 pcs.
            BA-20 - 2346 pcs.
            motorcycle - 3826 pcs.

            Do you understand? only mailers and only in 3 years Stole money which would be enough:
            - armed with rifles (roughly) -26 divisions
            - armed with motorcycles- 10 motorcycle regiments
            - arming tanks - to the motorized division with BT-7 1940 state

            Oh you
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            plundered by police masters.
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            you better read the documents of those times. I gave you examples from the life of those times.

            They decided to surprise - theft in Russia? So, starting with the Grand Dukes, they all stole. Look at other documents .. At first, the Soviet government treated this phenomenon more or less loyally, re-educated, gave short terms, believed that these were the birthmarks of tsarism, but when theft began to grow with the aggravation of the class struggle, the Law on the Protection of Property of State Enterprises was adopted collective farms and the strengthening of public (socialist) property. ”
            Already in 5 months of 1932, 22.6 thousand people were convicted. In 1933, 103,4 thousand people, in 1934, 37,7 thousand people. Then the thefts were equated with the struggle against Soviet power, and measures against these crimes were tightened. Now your supporters are crying about this.
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            They decided to surprise - theft in Russia?
            -no .... you didn’t begin to read ...

            I wrote to you NOT about wild theft (crazy even by today's standards of money !!) in the USSR during the time of Stalin - this is not interesting, I wrote to you about corruptionin the days of Stalin ...
            About which everyone together shouts - "We must shoot and it will not be !!! like under Stalin !!" (or the option "Like in China!", But no - and then it blossomed and smelled

            The average cost of building a plant for transactions with Alfred Kahn was $ 4 million; at that time, the rate was -1,24 rubles per dollar 4,96 million rubles for the construction of the plant
            Now seamlessly recall the number of theft of mailers:
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            total was stolen in 3 years 44 million rubles.

            and we are surprised to understand that they stole (in value terms !!!!) about 8 factories (!!!!) such as - Stalingrad Tractor, Chelyabinsk Tractor, Kharkov Tractor, ZIS, GAZ, well, a couple of aircraft factories to the heap ....

            And God forbid there was no corruption - just
            Quote: your1970
            they forgot to arrest him, and he left.
            and the "bloody OGPU-NKVD" looked in his pocket and controlled the timeliness of dripping dough there
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            I don’t know the details, but if only the bosses were cut (6 sets), it’s not so bad ...

            Which bosses, the hospitals closed, the doctors were dismissed, the queues in the clinic are crazy.
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            Good evening, Alexander, Sometimes it seems that a lot of forum users do not live in Russia now and did not live in the USSR before either.
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            Good evening, Alexander, Sometimes it seems that a lot of forum users do not live in Russia now and did not live in the USSR before either.

            Hello Dmitry. Don’t pay attention to them, it’s their job to slander
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            Good evening, Alexander, Sometimes it seems that a lot of forum users do not live in Russia now and did not live in the USSR before either.

            Hello Dmitry. Don’t pay attention to them, it’s their job to slander
            -to cite facts from a closed archival document or from an open one, but not read by anyone, "Meeting ..." - this is "slander" ???? !!!!!!
            That is must write - "Everything was then graciously and decorously !!!" ????
            but I thought that it was necessary - TRUTH write as it was AT YOURSELF actually ......

            Z.Y. open the Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1926 article "Bribe" and with surprise find out that the punishment for 1 part was BEFORE 2 years in total. But the second part - for those in charge, it was from 2 to VMN ...
            Guess once WHY??
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            -to cite facts from a closed archival document or from an open one, but not read by anyone, "Meeting ..." - this is "slander" ???? !!!!!!

            Facts, if they are true, do not in themselves slander. Slander those who use them for libel.
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            -to cite facts from a closed archival document or from an open one, but not read by anyone, "Meeting ..." - this is "slander" ???? !!!!!!

            Facts, if they are true, do not in themselves slander. Slander those who use them for libel.

            And what is my "slander" ??? Can you refute the materials of the "Meeting ..." ?? Can you refute my conclusions about corruption and theft of everything and everything under Stalin ???

            Again
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            total was stolen for 3 years 44 million rubles.
            and we are surprised to understand that they stole (in cost equivalent !!!!) approximately 8 factories (!!!!) such as - Stalingrad Tractor, Chelyabinsk Tractor, Kharkov Tractor, ZIS, GAZ, well, a couple of aircraft factories to the heap ....
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            And what is my "slander" ??? Can you refute the materials of the "Meeting ..."?

            How incomprehensible you are: the mere facts of the meeting are not slander. Slander is your conclusion and its relishing that in the USSR under Stalin there was corruption that was not fought.
            If it is published in a newspaper, then this is confirmation that they fought with these phenomena.
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            Slander is your conclusion and its relishing that in the USSR under Stalin there was corruption that was not fought.

            Ie materials "Meetings ..." you have not read ???
            ".... Rastrata on the line of a transfer economy for the same period of time are expressed in the amount of 117 thousand rubles, forgeries are expressed in the amount of 17.854 rubles.
            A.I. Rykov. “I will kill you, you have given absolute numbers.” I compare the dynamics, you have theft and embezzlement in 1933 was 70 thousand., and for 9 months this year 131 thousand., what's the matter?
            No, for 11 months. 117.723. (Rykov. - And in 1933 there were 70 thousand). in 1934 there were 60.697 thefts and robberies, and embezzlement amounted to 117.723. (Rykov. - So you are getting a doubling compared to 1933, why did you steal twice as much in 1934 as in 1933? You do not give me an answer to this). The fact is that this year they did not steal more, I would not say this, but this year they began to audit more. (Rykov. - By the end of the year, are you making up the balance for all the balances?) The fact is that we do not have all the revealed abuses reflected on the balance sheet, and this year the audit work was intensified. (Rykov. - The balance is to give the balance as of January 1 of the next year in cash receivable and payable, as a result of theft, theft and other things, but the balance is the balance and therefore the balance of the last year is 70 thousand, this year you have disappeared twice as much) ... "

            "In Ferghana, former ROZ Ugryumov convicted of embezzlement of 58 thousand rubles for 8 years. Moreover, this case is characteristic in the following respect. The case was delayed by the analysis in view of the flight of Ugryumov, and he was found among the employees of the Kyrgyz Communications Directorate, where he fled after the theft. (Rykov. - You have theft - it has become a household phenomenon, 85% of thefts are committed by ROSES, with the participation of the entire apparatus. How do you really struggle with these phenomena? After all, you are not professional thieves?) "
            "This Platonov was attracted to accountability fledand then it turned out that he turned out to be deputy Head of Translation Control Bureau in Rostov-on-Don."

            And how did it end for Igoshkin?
            It is known - that they stole the sums of thefts in 1993, it is known - that they stole the sums of thefts in 1934 ...
            Apparently shot, huh? or in the “hooded gulag”? Schaz ...

            "For non-compliance repeated directives to combat theft and abuse in communications - I order:
            1. The head of the Uzbek Communications Department, Comrade Igoshkin, shall be removed from his post and appointed to one of the districts of the Uzbek Republic as the head of the regional communications department ........ "

            Like Serdyukov .......

            Z.Y. all the others stealing - reprimand lol wassat
            Yes, our corrupt officials cry from envy ... reprimand, eprst ...
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            Ie materials "Meetings ..." you have not read ???

            I repeat, for those who are especially dull: how to properly understand this Meeting. It indicates that there were some omissions, they were opened, voiced at the meeting, and then they will correct all the flaws, and I am sure that the well-deserved “reward” sooner or later found all the “heroes” uncovered at this meeting.
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            I am sure that the well-deserved "reward" sooner or later found all the "heroes" uncovered at this meeting.
            -and I'm sure that current he will certainly find embezzlers ... the only question is - when ???
            And so then - maybe found, or maybe not ...

            After so many, I’m someone "sentenced to 10 years, forgot to arrest", "sentenced - it works Head of Translation Control Bureau(!!!!!) "," stole-disappeared "- I cease to believe in principle that under Stalin someone was planted at all ...
            rather, it will be so-stolen-gave the dough-"forgot to arrest / made public censure / sent to lead the department"
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            (Rykov. - You have theft - has taken a household phenomenon, 85% of thefts are committed by ROSES, with the participation of the entire apparatus.

            Stole the cost of 8 plants and:
            "He poured the total money - and dumped it on the taxi driver!" © Gentlemen of Fortune

            However, I'm tired of convincing you of anything.
            For myself, I have long concluded: total thieves and corruption under Stalin - documented bitter true. It will be mastered by the usual methods (they must have the brains and the knowledge to prove economic crimes !!!) - therefore they sculpted everyone 58. It did not help ...
            it was about this that Steel spoke (I quoted an excerpt earlier)
            Quote: your1970

            "Comrade Stalin, making a report on the economic situation of the USSR on the Leningrad asset, drew attention to the fact that we still haven’t created a moral atmosphere to combat theft. Talking about the merciful theft of some farther with a mustache who was stealing in front of all, Comrade Stalin warned that here one measure of the GPU, one measure of repression cannot be limited, that more real measures are needed here than repression measures. We understand the value of these repressive measures, criminal in particular; we can apply them firmly and decisively enough! But we must admit by means of repressive measures alone, we will not do anything if we do not create such a mood in the environment surrounding the rogue, which would make every citizen look at a crook as a spy and traitor. Meanwhile, we often observe such phenomena when a rogue good-naturedly pat on the shoulder and even seem to approve of his dexterity and courage, when they talk about a clever thief and even rather loudly: here, well done, they say, well - how much he licked! .. "


            Quote: Alexander Green
            It indicates that there were some omissions, they were opened, voiced at the meeting, and then they will correct all the flaws,
            "Oh yes !!! we have always loved Unas reports! I specially singled out for you
            "Behind non-compliance repeated (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) directives to combat theft and abuse of communications - I order:
            1. Commander Igoshkin, the head of the Uzbek Communications Department, should be removed from his post and appointed to one of the districts of the Uzbek Republic as the head of the regional communications department. "- and I thought - in the basement at Lubyanka immediately ....there was such a naive faith
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            However, I’m tired of convincing you of anything .... but I thought - to the basement on the Lubyanka right away .... there was such a naive faith.

            So convince the liberalists who shout about the terrible Stalinist repression. and the Gulag. Why are you convincing me?
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    Nitrates were poured, especially here, in the Non-Chernozem Region on the principle of how much they sent, and used so much, that is, from the bulldozer.

    in Moldova, the soil was so poisoned with nitrates and pesticides that artesian water with multiple excesses of MPC is still there.

    When we went to the grapes, the whole group began to dry for three days until they got used to it: it’s impossible to wash off all the hands in pesticides, the boots are blue and white from poisons, in other places it’s impossible to breathe from chemical fumes ...
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    You are probably so illiterate or malicious that you “forget” that it is incorrect to compare mortality with the modern demographic and social model and the similar model of thirty years ago. Roughly speaking, the greater the childhood, the greater the mortality rate among young people and its impact on all indicators "in the hospital."
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      And I didn’t talk about mortality, but about the massive use of chemicals in the agriculture of the USSR.
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    Quote: Alexander Green

    Today, those who grew up during the Soviet era and ate real foods live longer, this is not the merit of today's life. Those who are growing today will not live so much today, not a single conscript in the army can be found 100% healthy today.

    This is what they ate healthy ??
    Pesticidal - herbicidal vegetables and fruits? Hard chewing gum with a bunch of bacon called cervelat sausage? Little blue hens? (You can’t tell me about their naturalness - I saw normal chickens in both Israel and Germany, a friend from Russia made soup from Israeli chickens - he says, it tastes like my GRAND VILLAGE - from the yard, under the Union). Normal food, yeah ...
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      This is what they ate healthy ??
      Pesticidal - herbicidal vegetables and fruits?


      And in Germany and Israel, natural food is not affordable for ordinary people; they are treated with substitutes with various fillers. All hens are pumped up with all sorts of muck to grow faster, and fruits and vegetables with formalin, so as not to spoil. Eat - in your mouth for a long time bitterness remains.
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        Natural product in any country is an expensive pleasure.
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          Natural product in any country is an expensive pleasure.

          But in the USSR it was everything and accessible to everyone.
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            Then in all countries the products were natural. There were no such technologies yet, although they had already developed and even ended up in the USSR. And in the Russian Empire, 100% of the products were grown without the use of chemistry. This is not the merit of the USSR, it is simply the lack of appropriate technology.
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              Then in all countries the products were natural.

              Alas, I had to visit abroad regularly since 1969, and all the time I wondered where the abundance of food on the shelves was going on, they were all not for sale. It turns out that already some goods were stored for a long time, for example, milk in bags never soured, apples were chopped with formalin and doused with something like paraffin, fish and meat as soon as the smell appeared were also soaked in formalin, at best in potassium permanganate.
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        laughing
        Once again - after my friend from Russia bought a chicken in a cheap Israeli supermarket, cheap and ordinary, available for daily food to a cleaning lady and a security guard working for a minimum wage in capitalist Israel, he cooked it and ate it.
        His words - it looks like a VILLAGE chicken from the grandmother's yard in the village, back under the USSR.
        “Did the store ones taste different?” - I ask (and in general, why people are surprised at the taste of the COMMON CHICKEN?)
        - At cyanotic? Earth and sky. - He speaks.
        As for Germany - the same quality of products. I don’t remember the bitterness in my mouth after taking them - although I lived in the first for half a year and half a second in the second, I bought in different supermarkets and shops - from the cheapest and most expensive ones - I didn’t notice the difference in assortment in quality.
        Where do you live - share wink
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          - At cyanotic? Earth and sky. - He speaks.

          You have lived over the hill for so many years and still have not understood that our "blue" chicken was without any harmful bioadditives? And all the foreign ones were stuffed with hormones and other muck? And that they were never surprised that the apples were pumped with preservative?
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            And why, then, did the taste of cyanotic Soviet chicken differ strikingly from the village one, and the "stuffed" western chicken was identical to the natural? )))
          2. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 18: 37 New
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            You are wrong. From the moment poultry farms appeared in the USSR, that is, industrial poultry farming, antibiotics and additives began to be used in it. And with pig breeding there was the same picture: we mastered Danish technology, unthinkable without additives and antibiotics.
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          But sausage in Israel is disgusting! negative Sorry buddy !!!
          I know that the felt-tip pens are different and the chemicals in Russia are more energetic ... But Israeli sausage sucks!
          1. Krasnodar 3 May 2020 18: 44 New
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            Hello! Which one? )))
            Mortadella - tastier than a doctor’s, prosciutto - like norms, pastramas are all good. What did you buy, remember?
            If the "tea", which comes, as a rule, in a set with cheap pastramki finely cut pieces, then yes, byak)). There are still tasteless sausages like “sticks”.
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              Yes FIG knows! Something boiled, sliced ​​and vacuum packed ..
              The taste of the “breakfasttourist” that I was, the first one and a half days. Then it became easier. Usually I adapt longer, but the first person I saw, getting off the ramp in Ovda, was a man, about thirty years old, in a suit, with M-16 ... And somehow it relieved me of my heart ... laughing
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                So tea or greyish green like it is. That yes - it sucks completely. Well, then, I realized that you are safe. fellow ))
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    Quote: Alexander Green
    Today, those who grew up during the Soviet era and ate real foods live longer, this is not the merit of today's life.

    The history of the appearance of imitated caviar
    The imitated appearance of caviar was first made in factories in the Brezhnev years. It was made in the USSR, thanks to the Institute of Organoelement Compounds, headed by academician Nesmeyanov.
    The composition of the product, which was to become the most popular product for every citizen of the councils, included egg white. The manufacturing technique was as follows: balls of caviar were formed from an egg mixture and heated in sunflower oil.
    The first batch was called Iskra. Later, gelatin was added to it and each egg was cooled. The novelty had a more natural color and consistency and was more economical for factories ...
    How many more scientific teams created superfoods for the Soviet people?
    Restored milk and "powder" sour cream also came to us from the USSR
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    Just in the wake of the 90s expanded the list of sores for the challenge in the call. And that’s all. They called me here and Vasya did not itch. And now I would live - they did not call. And the diagnosis has become much better. And I saw such people that I was amazed at how they were generally taken into the army. In a person with nerves and coordination in any way. But there was a plan and they took it.
  • AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 31 New
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    Guys, I was recently being repaired here in the former Sverdlovka hospital, where no one would have let me into the threshold at the USSR. She was only for nomenclature. Now - please, both for money and for quota.
  • Krasnodar 3 May 2020 13: 55 New
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    By the way, I had to go to the closed hospitals and clinics of Lechsanupra of the USSR for white people — this, of course, was heaven and earth in comparison with ordinary institutions ...

    Adherents of return to the USSR forget about this
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      To get to these institutions, it was not necessary to be a party functionary. For example, oil workers, geologists and members of their families calmly sent there (personal experience, Tyumen region). Special clinics were for those who worked in the direction necessary for the state, and not for those with a pocket full.
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        Moreover, the highest priority was the management of urban, regional, etc. committees of the CPSU, and teachers and engineers with foundry workers, say, did not succeed in such an honor. Not to mention less conscious peasants laughing
        Question - where is the declared equality of workers?
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          And why is the plebeian (for Western Eurasian alphabetical culture) picturesque image? Equality will not be for everyone until communism comes. The American Dream is also not for the majority. But coverage with free medical facilities was much greater than in comparable states (USA, Canada), and certainly much more than now. By the way, a special clinic, as now Scandinavia, is not a guarantee. In the same institution, where in 1988, without any connections, they began to treat the grandson of a teacher at a technical school, fifteen years before that, the "advanced" dentist had removed all his teeth to the notorious B. E. Shcherbin.
          1. Krasnodar 3 May 2020 16: 56 New
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            In other words, the functionaries of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union identified themselves as elites. But, having understood that even being privileged people in their own country, they can catch up with the working people of the same West Germany (let us leave the US health care system — the country is imprisoned for make money, poor — it’s our own fault) in terms of the quality of medical services received through the Bismarovo health insurance system. An example - the same Andropov could correct kidney problems in Germany, but, being a decent person, he refused this, having died earlier, being treated in the Union. As a result, having decided to openly use the achievements of the decaying West, they destroyed the country, becoming capitalists)).
            And why? Because they were INEFFECT.
  • mmaxx 9 May 2020 08: 31 New
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    I have never agreed with you.
    But here I will support 100%.
  • svp67 3 May 2020 08: 29 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    You can write anything

    Only if certain rules are not violated (written or unwritten). And in this case there is a violation. It’s not just that in the USA in the cinemas there was an inscription “Do not shoot at tappers, plays as best they can ...". So it is with us, to offend the author is NOT !!! You can disagree with his opinion, argue, but not go on insults.
    And at the expense of the article. Yes, it was hard, but there is a huge difference between the time and the modern. People lived in hope and faith that everything will be fixed. And the situation was getting better, it’s enough to compare the cities of the 60s, 70s and 80s.
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      Quote: svp67
      Only if certain rules are not violated (written or unwritten). And in this case there is a violation. It’s not just that in the USA in the cinemas there was an inscription “Do not shoot at tappers, plays as best they can ...". So it is with us, to offend the author is NOT !!! You can disagree with his opinion, argue, but not go on insults.

      100% support!
      Quote: svp67
      And at the expense of the article. Yes, it was hard, but there is a huge difference between the time and the modern. People lived in hope and faith that everything will be fixed.

      And today, just live LONG.
      1. Reptiloid 3 May 2020 12: 24 New
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        Olgovich! Greetings! I began to write comments below today, but for you I will repeat ---- the census of 1898 in the Republic of Ingushetia. The only one in RI --- average age of life --- 30 years. !!!!!
        The privilege was to live longer with the ruling class. The merchants, the senators in the picture are elderly, the mother lived about 80 years old. If the average age is 30 years, how many people lived, if not merchants or nobles.
        It was under Stalin that life expectancy began to increase !.
        So it's not easy
        ......LIVE LONGER .......
        !!!!!!!!
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          Quote: Reptiloid
          Olgovich! Greetings!

          Hello Dmitry!

          Quote: Reptiloid
          The privilege was to live longer with the ruling class. The merchants, the senators in the picture are elderly, the mother lived about 80 years old. If the average age is 30 years, how many people lived, if not merchants or nobles.

          People then did not live much less, but many babies died, which gave low indicators of life expectancy.

          My grandmother and grandfather (peasants) and their parents lived for 90-95 years, they didn’t go to the hospital polyclinics at all
          Quote: Reptiloid
          It was under Stalin that life expectancy began to increase !.
          So it's not easy

          WORLDWIDE at this time increased life expectancy.

          She grew up in Russia before the thief.

          And here is the result of the “struggles” of the party — THE RUSSIAN CROSS — for only the unfortunate 70 years of its “successes."
      2. Krasnodar 3 May 2020 14: 11 New
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        Today they live longer and better.
  • begemot20091 3 May 2020 08: 49 New
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    You read and marvel at the victims of the USE: skimp on numbers, having no understanding of the elementary nature of time and events. 1962 - less than 20 years have passed since the war. This war, when the whole of Europe tried to defeat and plunder the "scoop" (according to the author). Until the last minute, the freedom-loving French SS men of Charlemagne became the last defenders of the Reichstag and the Reich Chancellery, these are the Belgian SS divisions Langemark and Wallonia, these are the Grenadier regiments Danmark and Norge - Dutch volunteers. In 1962, I was a schoolboy - out of 31 people in our village class, 10 “reached” 30 (one was behind in the second year due to poor performance). 2 people "from the first call" entered the institutes, universities and military schools. No one died, no one caught tuberculosis (by the way, to this day, 27 people are in good health). Of the 28 people in our graduation (university), 35 are still alive (32 people have died - the heart could not stand it from classmates in the 3s). Of the 90 people: 35-academicians, 2- doctors of sciences, 8- candidates of sciences. Well, the rest remained human. Apparently, it was hard to defend a doctoral dissertation at the Faculty of History, and so the person agreed to “scoop up” such articles. There are a lot of similar ones now - the profession obliges. To grind with tongue - not to carry bags. How many years have passed since 14? Computer tomographs, digital x-ray machines, .... And ?????
    "In the Penza region, about 100 people die from tuberculosis each year. The relevant statistics were published by the regional department of Rospotrebnadzor on the eve of the world day to combat this infectious disease (it is celebrated on March 24).
    In 2017, the diagnosis of tuberculosis was made to 362 residents of the region (2016 in 472), the incidence rate was 29,4 per 100 thousand people. "And in the future," success has been achieved in the fight against tuberculosis - mortality rates have decreased this year almost double compared to 1990 levels. However, in 2014, 1,5 million deaths from this disease occurred. According to the WHO Global Tuberculosis Control Report 2015, released today in Washington, most of these deaths could have been prevented. "On average, 8 out of a million Europeans die from tuberculosis each year, but these statistics differ from country to country. Lithuania is the first in terms of mortality, where 60 people per million people die from tuberculosis, Romania (50) is in second place, and Latvia is in third place (39) .In neighboring Germany, several years ago, there was no alarm probability of increasing According to Berliner Morgenpost, more than 4 new cases of the disease are registered annually in the country, and the situation around Frankfurt and Berlin is particularly unfavorable, number of migrants: Many foreigners are not under the supervision of the state and compulsory treatment measures cannot be imposed on them. Does the Czech Republic have a preventive strategy to contain tuberculosis in case of an increase in the migration flow, and how many cases of TB detection among migrants in the Czech Republic are currently? ".....
    I will no longer “ship” the “historically informed” graduates of the historical faculty, former members of the CPSU. Work further in the field of libel on your past. Maybe somehow get attention. Or better, go to the central square of the city of Penza, take off your pants and ... Show your "proletarian ass" to the historical past of Penza medicine. Well, or, let’s say, following the example of Pavlovsky, crack a brick on your genitals on the porch of the Spassky Cathedral. Then for sure !!!! the whole of Russ will speak of you.
    1. Sergey S. 3 May 2020 11: 13 New
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      Quote: begemot20091
      I will no longer “ship” the “historically informed” graduates of the historical faculty, former members of the CPSU.

      It's useless.
      Because
      even though the site gathered a lot of experts on everything and everything, access to the archives, especially the archives of the OK CPSU, they do not have and rely only on their own memory and on what “the men in the smoking room said”

      Historians, like other professional humanities, rely only on certain professional rules ... they themselves have developed. Someone else’s opinion, or rather, the opinion of specialists in other fields, including engineers, is of little interest to them and only when they do not violate their “historical” logic ... They also declare that they operate on versions, and have truth only in the future .. .
      The result is terrible accusations of Soviet power:
      The Bureau of the OK CPSU reported (the same document, p. 322) that at the Penza diesel plant a complaint is received for every sixth diesel engine released, but the situation cannot be rectified!

      I would be a professional, I would know how much marriage was “chasing” in 1915, 1939, 1942, 1961, ..... 1990, 2020
      I would know that ... And I was delighted with the success of Penza diesel builders.
      And if I understood the reasons for marriage at different periods of the development of the Motherland, there was generally talk about something else.
      About saturation of education with sciences, and a share in the education of humanitarian nonsense like "..the same is in heaven ...." or "... while I see you you exist ..."

      For reference - the level of marriage is determined not only by the slackness and lack of professionalism of the workers, but also by the level of complexity of the product, the degree of mastery of the technologies used, the correspondence of the real education of the performers to the tasks being solved, ...

      I can imagine what historians will write when they read the documents on the work of KB S.P. Queen!!!!
      When Yu.A. Gagarin was returning from space, happened to him, heard from the astronaut Yu.M. Baturin, ... 13 (from memory) of emergency situations, simply troubles, - flew away completely wrong, it was not spinning foreseen ....

      Outlined a theme! Historians! You just have to climb into the archives, pull out certain facts and ... condemn the Soviet cosmonautics. Why is it better than Penza health care?

      And to other historians. Of course, you need to study the documents. During the training ...
      The main task of historians is to introduce new information about the past into public life, that is, live on the border between the past and the present and document eyewitness accounts, save the surviving technical rarities, and provide museumification of the passing era. And to do this is not selective ...
    2. Krasnodar 3 May 2020 14: 26 New
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      1) In the early 60s, the standard of living in the FRG bombed out in the trash was already higher than in the neighboring GDR and than in the Union - to your possible objections that the Americans helped them, I’ll answer right away - they helped to a much lesser extent than the British and the French, and the pace of German economic growth was already higher then. In the 70s, the standard of living of West Germans also became higher. Outperformed the less bombed and more received shaves and francs. Why? Quality management.
      2) 27 people came from the first call - well done. And of course, priority was given to rural cadres upon admission. lol
      3) Alive - this was how they ate from the yard of the garden, and not from what was in the Soviet stores.
      4) Tuberculosis - yes, the scourge of Europe))))
      1. helvetic 3 May 2020 16: 22 New
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        Not just the quality of management and the Marshall plan. Still - cartel relations in fact with former economic competitors (Since 1951 - EUSC) and extremely modest own defense costs (in fact, they remained under American occupation, feline borders). + Maintaining the continuity of technological development and personnel with a colossal drop in the cost of labor. + Destruction / killing of the aristocracy and violent activation of the capital of the former landowners (Erhard reform, read Keppen's “Pigeons in the Grass”) + Openness of the American market and access to all technologies. Here you can not compare - if you do not shed tears about the war - the conditions for Germany and Japan were just perfect. None of this happened to either those trying to pursue an independent policy of Britain and France, and, moreover, to the USSR.
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          This, too, but not everything was so rosy about defense spending - they were minor, but sensitive to a country broken into rubbish. Access to all technologies - yes, I agree. But let's not forget about the breakdown of multiple economic chains and ties due to the division of the country into two practically warring parts - Japan, for example, did not have this. Yapov had another problem - the lack of fossils)).
      2. begemot20091 3 May 2020 20: 09 New
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        Firstly, for the village in general, the problem was with admission - the problem of passports (read the story). Secondly: well, we didn’t have a summer cottage and a large garden — 3 hundred parts — the entire plot in the Siberian village, where 9 months is winter and the rest is cold. Thirdly, there were no such priorities. even more so in the faculties associated with applied physics. that year we received more than 200 people for 50 places. of them priority: to rabfakovites who served urgent. Yes, there were “incentives” when studying - I didn’t pass the session forward, in pursuit of shoulder straps in the Soviet Army, every summer construction team — there was no end.
        1. Krasnodar 3 May 2020 20: 21 New
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          So - there was a quality school)). As for the products - what years are we talking about? And none of those who lived in adulthood in the USSR really could explain to me - why was it so terrible in the Soviet term that they were afraid of it like fire?
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    here it is the legacy of the "collective farm" - visible rudeness
    I would like to challenge this statement. Rudeness is not a derivative of the economy in general and the form of management in particular. Having abandoned the traditional form of social consciousness that regulates moral relations between people, Marxists did not find an adequate replacement for it. Religion provides people with a holistic meaningful space for the moral reflection of their perception of others, their emotions and intentions towards them. This space of the “other world” is the possibility (for believers - the need) of a mental way out of the situation and a moral assessment of their individual action in relation to another or other people as significant for their whole life. This is just not enough for the boor, it does not matter to him at all against the background of his own satiety and well-being. Herzen saw and described the "coming boor" in European philistinism, and Merezhkovsky carried out a philosophical analysis of this phenomenon and gave it this name. Ham did not come out of the collective farm hi
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      Quote: sniperino
      This space of the “other world” is the possibility (for believers - the need) of a mental way out of the situation and a moral assessment of their individual action in relation to another or other people as significant for their whole life.

      I agree in many ways.
      But religion is not the point.
      Before the revolution, when everyone went to churches, there was less rudeness ???
      Or just commoners "reflected" on the state of society by cultural goodwill.
      Or the nobility, with rare exceptions, commoners were not called boorish ...

      So the Marxists have nothing to do with it.
      Moreover, only atheists who understand that the promised afterlife do not have the opportunity to absolve themselves of sins. And they know that the only opportunity to change the situation is not to put candles and donate to the bells, but to correct the situation right now.
      For atheists there is neither indulgence, nor forgiveness of the after-confession, no belief in the afterlife justice and the triumph of justice for everyone by itself ...
      1. sniperino 3 May 2020 12: 31 New
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        Quote: Sergey S.
        Before the revolution, when everyone went to churches, was there less rudeness?
        The question is interesting. I know how to conduct a comparative historical and psychological study and obtain reliable data on the historical types of rudeness in different periods in one country. But how to count them in order to answer the question about more or less ... request You know? I believe that the answer to it will always be subjective, but with some pretension to "scientific", since the assessment will be given from a subjective system of moral coordinates. In short, yes, less.
        1. Sergey S. 3 May 2020 12: 50 New
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          Quote: sniperino
          The question is interesting. I know how to conduct a comparative historical and psychological study and obtain reliable data on the historical types of rudeness in different periods in one country. But how to count them ...

          Great jump from the topic.
          I will answer based on family tradition.
          My great-grandfather began serving in the Guards crew as a young man.
          Participated in the Russian-Turkish, inflicted ferries on the Danube. I got the medal ...

          So, he said that in the Guards crew officers of the sailors did not hit in the face.

          And this was a rare case of the absence of rudeness in imperial time ...
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            Quote: Sergey S.
            And this was a rare case of the absence of rudeness in imperial time ...
            Did great-grandfather say so, "a rare case of the absence of rudeness in tsarist times"? And he didn’t say, at least a sailor’s face got to the point? laughing
            1. Sergey S. 3 May 2020 13: 23 New
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              Quote: sniperino
              Did great-grandfather say so, "a rare case of the absence of rudeness in tsarist times"? And he didn’t say, at least a sailor’s face got to the point?

              I see no reason to laugh.
              Then my great-grandfather went to Rynd with Avelen in the Russian semicircle.
              He retired in 1906 from the post of medical assistant to the 18th naval crew in the XNUMXth grade (lieutenant) with his personal nobility. He was strict in the family! But so that the assault ... only after a towel - the grandmother told.

              And more.
              Ordinary people may not be educated, do not know etiquette.
              A famous case with Yu.A. Gagarin at the reception of the British Queen ...
              Rudeness is different - when a jerk with a piece of paper says “you” to the cleaner, when teachers talk and “don’t” notice the student who has approached, when the head does not listen to the subordinate, when they swear at women and children, ...
              What does Marxism have to do with it?
              Here it is just right to think about the dangers of worldviews built on ideological postulates.
              in Nietzscheanism, for example ...
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                I see no reason to laugh
                You ignored my 2 questions, but make a complaint about the teething ball? Do you communicate with the ball or with me, I don’t understand ...
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                  Quote: sniperino
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  I see no reason to laugh
                  You ignored my 2 questions, but make a complaint about the teething ball? Do you communicate with the ball or with me, I don’t understand ...

                  Questions - is this this ???
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Did great-grandfather say so, "a rare case of the absence of rudeness in tsarist times"? And he didn’t say, at least a sailor’s face got to the point?

                  Great-grandfather died in the first siege of winter. Of course, he didn’t tell me that.
                  But the key to understanding for the reader with any level of imagination has been given.
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  I will answer based on family tradition.

                  Your second question is exclusively on the topic.
                  Only he is not about the "mattress".
                  In addition, I’ll tell you that such an attitude to persons wearing the rank of a sailor is inferior in the naval hierarchy, it’s impossible to classify anything other than rudeness.

                  The story of the Guard crew is about this.

                  And at first I thought that answering these questions directly was inconvenient.
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                    Quote: Sergey S.
                    And at first I thought that answering these questions directly was inconvenient.
                    Strange affair. If
                    teachers talk and "do not notice" a student who approached
                    , this is rudeness, and if you "do not notice" the questions of an opponent whom you yourself dragged into the discussion, then this
                    found it directly inconvenient to answer
                    It’s conveniently arranged ... Boorish advice: do not attract anything personal and expensive as arguments in a dispute, all the more so do not draw by the ears. In a dispute, they laugh at the arguments, but not at your great-grandfather, but you start up and start openly typing and then be rude.
          2. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 36 New
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            In the Soviet Army, they didn’t beat us in the face, for jambs such as drunkenness, self-propelled guns and other arts? Did you serve in the army?
            Do you think when the kings there were no drunkards and self-propelled gunners?
            1. Sergey S. 3 May 2020 13: 41 New
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              About rudeness at all times ... unfortunately, I know. I saw, received, myself somehow ...

              I started up only because of an attempt to push rudeness onto the "Marxists" and because of enthusiasm for a religion that supposedly saved from rudeness ...
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                I got wound up only because of an attempt to push rudeness onto the "Marxists"
                You will be hit by misunderstanding, so start.
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                  Quote: sniperino
                  You will be hit by misunderstanding, so start.

                  ?????????????? ..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  Do not understand.
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                    Quote: Sergey S.
                    ?????????????
                    ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑
            2. chenia 3 May 2020 15: 49 New
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              In the Soviet Army they didn’t beat us in the face


              They were beaten (officers), but very rarely, in exceptional cases. For, often the alternative for a fighter was prison. And who abused flew out of the army with a bang.
              1. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 15: 55 New
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                In RI, officers also did not particularly abuse the assault, it was not comme il faut. They hit the unter teeth - crickets, basically. In the Navy they were called skins.
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  the officers also didn’t particularly abuse the assault,


                  The SA was also considered dishonest. Moreover, the political guys were atrocious about this.
                  And sergeants, yes!
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                Quote: chenia
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                In the Soviet Army they didn’t beat us in the face


                They were beaten (officers), but very rarely, in exceptional cases. For, often the alternative for a fighter was prison. And who abused flew out of the army with a bang.

                Tsstststststs .... extremely rare ... lol
                In 1989, in Kushka, the duty officer went into the barracks only after sending the cartridge to the chamber, for it was fraught - the Afghans were under an amnesty, they were waiting for the demobilization, they did not care who they beat when drunk ....
                And the usual scuffle ... the wildest case is when 2 Uzbeks for slowly found cigarettes were kicked to death by an Uzbek (!!) from their (!!!) aul ... they went on a demobilization last, an amnesty.,
                And how the local Turkmens were afraid of them ... they wrote to the Central Committee of the CPSU, Gorbachev, to the KGB of the USSR ...
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                  In 1989, on duty in Kushka

                  Yes, but then the wild times came - no law, no truth.
                  But then I was in Ukraine.
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                    There were still Soviet times, before the collapse of the USSR, there were another 3 years
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        Quote: Sergey S.
        Moreover, only atheists who understand that the promised afterlife do not have the opportunity to absolve themselves of sins. And they know that the only opportunity to change the situation is not to put candles and donate to the bells, but to correct the situation right now.
        For atheists there is neither indulgence, nor forgiveness of the after-confession, no belief in the afterlife justice and the triumph of justice for everyone by itself ...

        I believe that this is why the atheistic USSR has come to a standstill ... So I am Orthodox and always keep in mind that for everything I have said and done I will have to answer sooner or later, and that an atheist is called "in the drum", you can , if you know that they won’t give to the tambourine, and steal, if you know that they won’t put him in it. For me, earthly life is a short moment, after which eternity will come (in hell or paradise), and for an atheist life is only here and now, and therefore it is necessary to use it to the fullest. I have a second cousin of a one-year-old atheist who has lived his life walking around women, abusing alcohol, bringing grief to his relatives. And for all the exhortations, he says: "We live only once!" I remember when we studied Ostrovsky at school, “How steel was tempered,” many were surprised (or even called a fool directly), why Korchagin was so torn, because he didn’t even have children for which it was worth sacrificing himself.
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          I believe that this is why the atheistic USSR came to a standstill ...

          The paradox is that they did the revolution, they blew up the temples, they committed atrocities in civil ... citizens brought up in the lessons of the Law of God ...
          But .... God forbid, I’m just saying that K. Marx is not to blame for all sins.
          Moreover, the USSR, as it turned out, was not an atheist country.
          It turned out that even former and not only former party members .... together with the EBN they illuminated themselves with the sign of the Cross ... and stole, robbed, lied ...
          Quote: fuxila
          So I’m Orthodox and always keep in mind that for everything I said and did I have to answer sooner or later, and an atheist what’s called “drumming” can be rude if you know that they won’t give a tambourine, and steal if you know they won’t be imprisoned.

          But the Orthodox still hopes for God's mercy ...
          This hope is needed in order to allow indulgences ...
          Quote: fuxila
          I have a second cousin of a one-year-old atheist who has lived his life walking around women, abusing alcohol, bringing grief to his relatives. And for all the exhortations, he says: "We live only once!"

          I doubt very much that this man is a Marxist — there are simply not a lot of brains (sorry for a relative).
          The Orthodox can say the same ...
          This is not a question of ideology, but of conscience.
          Why someone decided that conscience and religion are one and the same, I can’t understand.
          Personally familiar with unscrupulous Orthodox and conscientious communists.
          Quote: fuxila
          I remember when we studied Ostrovsky at school, “How steel was tempered,” many were surprised (or even called a fool directly), why Korchagin was so torn, because he didn’t even have children for which it was worth sacrificing himself.

          So you yourself support my point of view.

          God forbid me from persecuting the Orthodox.
          With all due respect ... to conscientious people.
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            they made a revolution, churches were blown up, they committed atrocities into civilians ... citizens brought up in the lessons of the Law of God ...

            I agree, only by the beginning of the twentieth century. faith has already been greatly lost and this was the end of a process that began long before 1917. Similarly, in the 90s. Soviet people were completely robbing themselves, and not ordinary people, but partnomenclature like EBN and Gaidar, and many ordinary Soviet people also robbed and killed each other, straying into criminal gangs, with some kind of sadistic cruelty ...
            I doubt very much that this man is a Marxist — there are simply not a lot of brains (sorry for a relative).

            Not a Marxist, and I didn’t even hint at it ... But to think that people lead a wild life only from the absence of brains is complete primitivism. This is not even confirmed by the example of my relative, who is valued and kept at work even with all the drunken hops.
            Why someone decided that conscience and religion are one and the same, I can’t understand.

            Probably because in the Orthodox teaching there is still a definition of conscience - this is a spark of God, and what kind of conscience is not clear for atheist materialists. One atheist, Adolf Aloizovich, even called her a chimera ...
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            It turned out that even former and not only former party members .... together with the EBN they illuminated themselves with the sign of the Cross ... and stole, robbed, lied ...

            The answer is simple: Repent and forgive your sins. They were taught not to see them at school. Morally, any crime can be justified, a thousand reasons can be found. It’s not a matter of religion, but of conscience
  • rocket757 3 May 2020 10: 13 New
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    AUTO RU.
    THE TRUTH IS SOMEWHERE NEAR!
    I just want to remind you that personal opinion is a subjective perception of an event!
    Never and everyone here writes that in the Land of the Soviets everything was butter; Many people have a desire to make an objective assessment of events.
    You did not make a comparison of how many people here give this or that assessment of events, but already wrote that some kind of opinion is “beloved” here, as if prevailing !!!
    What does it mean?
    You give your own, subjective, assessment of the participants in .....
    In fact, the events that are indicated in the article .... THIS WAS, but there were many other things, MISCELLANEOUS!
    BUT, everything is relative! Not for nothing, those Yankees indicated Svidomo that they live clearly better than in some other countries! And this is in response to the moaning of the skakuas that they feel bad, nobody loves them, GIVE, GIVE us everything at once .....
    The truth is somewhere near!
  • AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 12: 20 New
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    Good article. And then here many naively think that the Soviet means excellent. But somehow I will throw here real documents about the work of the GA in the 80s.
  • helvetic 3 May 2020 17: 17 New
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    Good afternoon. Of course, this is a popular site, but do you really want to go into the category of Latin with their "arrows of the oscilloscope". If you would like to really convey information, and not to pull violent swearing in the comments, you probably should refrain from the name, which contains an obvious emotional assessment.
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      Of course, this is a popular site.

      That's it!
  • sergo1914 3 May 2020 22: 14 New
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    You can write anything. Here is an official document reflecting the realities of that life. In the text all data is given on it. I did not invent it. So it was, and there’s no escape from this. Are you comfortable with the position of an ostrich? Well, even if the head is not visible, the ass sticks out anyway. And, by the way, here it is the legacy of the "collective farm" - visible rudeness. Slightly not so - immediately “surname”, immediately “shit off”, oligophrenia ... With all this you demonstrate only the low level of culture of a typical “scoop”. That is, old age silvered you only on the outside, but it wasn’t turned into silver inside.


    Shpakovsky in his repertoire. D - moron. That is the definition. There is a group of people, sick people. We worry about them. Moderators, this is not an insult. This is universal grief. Dream - buffoons, shpakovsky ... et seter. Suddenly heal. What kind of titans thoughts we get for society. Just a lobotomy. No pain relief.
  • Simargl 4 May 2020 07: 24 New
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    On the one hand, a heart operation was performed, on the other ... 80th year, Novosibirsk ... No ultrasound - a real-time x-ray for a 5-year-old.
    Almost always in hospitals all places are occupied.
    You need to look for a good specialist.
    At 9 years old, he spread his leg ... at the entrance there is one phone for 15 apartments, but not accessible - there is nobody there, the nearest payphone is torn off for a couple of years ... while they waited for an ambulance, the wound began to heal itself, probably ... in an ambulance injuries and a woman in childbirth ... of course, this is not entirely medicine, but the state of everything and everything around. Yes, the water on the 5th floor of the house wasn’t normal as long as I remember: there was always an open tap in the bathroom so that it would be typed in a thin stream ... Stakhanov / Kadievka.
    Yes, there were cities where it was better. True, I was not there almost.
  • Mavrikiy 3 May 2020 07: 14 New
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    also on the "feed" from oligarchphrenia?

    hi You are, to put it mildly, wrong. I think he's for "recharge" long established personal ties with the "historian writers" of enlightened Europe. And now quietly has "copyright" from their programs, helping the barbarians.
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And now quietly has "copyright" from their programs, helping the barbarians.

      Expose! And you will have moral satisfaction. Give the UFSB phone number in the Penza region, or will you find it yourself on the Web?
  • Buxlov 3 May 2020 08: 05 New
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    Quote: Dead Day
    and you, that one ... "fruit" ... well, yes, the name says, you creatures brought up on our own money. USSR hoopoe raised you, and you shit on the Parent

    Familiar tactics ... Dirt pouring on the past to whitewash the current chaos of the capitalist paradise in Russia.! soldier
    1. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 59 New
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      Dirt will not stick to dirt. But the truth must be known.
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  • Nyrobsky 3 May 2020 09: 15 New
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    Quote: Dead Day
    Vyacheslav Shpakovsky
    and you, that one ... "fruit" ... well, yes, the name says, you creatures brought up on our own money. the USSR hoax you brought up, and you shit on the Parent, now you certainly will support "optimization"? here it is, optimization, all at home. you're done ...
    .Soviet Paradise.
    better than capitalist! are you also "fed" from oligarchphrenia?

    This work is aimed at finally dying out against the background of the complete degradation of the "muddy present" bright and bright pastwhen they built and built.
    The author uses data from half a century ago and overlooks the fact that after the war at that time only 18 years passed, which accounted for the period of restoration of the destroyed cities and factories. It does not take into account the fact that more than 20 million people died, including not a small number of medical workers, the restoration of the personnel potential of which also takes time. Shot courses will not work. I don’t know why the author is not interested in delving into the period of the last years of tsarism and not comparing the “Soviet” year of 1962 with medical assistance to the population of at least 1912. Back and forth a half-century of time and the picture is already more contrasting, and not in favor of the monarch. It is interesting that, waving a certificate as a sentence to the system, the author loses sight of what is called "About the state and measures to improve medical care"- that is, an objective picture was reflected and measures were planned to improve. It would be much more interesting how things were in 1972, 10 years after the appearance of this certificate. I have no doubt that the changes were colossal and for the better. Against the backdrop of the collapse of modern medicine, the elimination of thousands of hospitals and clinics and tens of thousands of hospital beds, including infectious diseases, a reduction in the number of medical workers as a result of "optimization", an article is shot about how bad it was in the scoop. Frankly gives some kind of second series - "Zuleikha gets an enema."
    1. kalibr 3 May 2020 16: 44 New
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      That is, you are interested in learning how things were in 1972, did I understand you correctly?
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        That is, you are interested in learning how things were in 1972, did I understand you correctly?

        Absolutely right. It would be nice to reduce the data from this certificate with those indicators that have developed in the medical service as of 1972. Is it logical? I can’t make anyone’s opinion and form an unambiguous perception of the past with a negative bias looking at the past exclusively through the series “Zuleikha ...” and other movie shit on the theme of “hopeless and bloody past”, since I have archival materials in my hands, namely letters from the 1941-42 convicts of Sevzheldorlag that built the railway to Vorkuta and the bridge over the Vychegda river in the vicinity of Madmas-Mezhog, with their autobiographical data, articles and terms, which they indicated with their own hand, asking them to be sent to the front for protection Kind us, with, I note they wanted to defend the homeland, which they denounced. There are all kinds of people who cut people with a saber, counterrevolutionaries and other "enemies of the people" of those whose way of life, from their own words, did not correspond to the appearance and morality of Soviet people, but they did not want to sit out in camps when Germany attacked the USSR. Solzhenitsyn, by the way, deliberately did everything in order to get to the camp from the front line and sit there and thereby save his life. True, she is alone, but some interpret it as they want and try to impose on the majority their "truth", which is far from true.
  • Pessimist22 3 May 2020 05: 53 New
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    So it’s under Khrushchev, a large number of colleagues on the site know that he is a Trotskyist, which means that the government was Trotskyist, as I understand the comments of the people on the site (who lived under Stalin) reached its climax in development in 1953, and after the death of the leader began degradation and decline of development that ended in collapse. Publish data before 1953.
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      That data will not be better. It must be understood that the brilliant leader Stalin was in his place in the hardest years for our country. And development really reached its climax, but there was a war ...
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      Publish data before 1953.

      Do you really want this? Are you not afraid to be disappointed?
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        Personally, I’m not afraid. The country came out of a terrible war. And the restoration took quite a while.
        1. kalibr 3 May 2020 06: 46 New
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          Then what year are you most interested in? "Orders for the" post-virus "are accepted."
      2. Pessimist22 3 May 2020 07: 17 New
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        Hello! My comment is pure sarcasm! And so yes, I would like to see data from an earlier time, in order to know how good it was under Stalin.
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          Quote: Pessimist22
          to know how it was good under Stalin.

          I promise to see it. I myself wonder ... The only question is what years to take. What would you personally be interested in?
          1. Pessimist22 3 May 2020 07: 54 New
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            For example, I’m interested in how things were in the pre-war years, how Soviet people lived after 20 years of building socialism, in the countryside, away from the center. Although I read a lot and imagine how it was, I would like facts.
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              Quote: Pessimist22
              Although I read a lot and imagine how it was, I would like facts.

              There will be an article about the peasants of the USSR for 1933 based on the materials of the newspaper PRAVDA. But after that there will be a break - the archives do not work.
    3. Buxlov 3 May 2020 08: 15 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      So it’s under Khrushchev, a large number of colleagues on the site know that he is a Trotskyist, which means that the government was Trotskyist, as I understand the comments of the people on the site (who lived under Stalin) reached its climax in development in 1953, and after the death of the leader began degradation and decline of development,

      Even Mao Dzedong directly stated that the power in the USSR after the death of Stalin was captured by the heroes of the "Tashkent front" ...

      And it’s not without reason that they are trying to pit us with China, and especially at that time ..
    4. Mavrikiy 3 May 2020 08: 25 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      Publish data before 1953. The USSR reached its climax in development in 1953, and after the death of the leader, degradation and decline of development began
      Not certainly in that way. After the departure of Stalin, Beria and rearrangements in the apparatus of power, the colossus of the state moved by inertia. Launched programs and projects. Therefore, the peak is in time for the year 60-62. Much was instantly stopped and canceled, such as the mainland-Sakhalin tunnel, the northern latitudinal railway / railway, etc.
      The USSR reached its climax in development in 1953 in terms of the development of spirituality and democracy (although then such terms were not used).
      Publish data before 1953.And what do you want to see? After the Second World War, we solved other problems. Not raising and improving people's living standards, but the restoration of the country and Eastern Europe.
  • apro 3 May 2020 05: 58 New
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    The author again jerked ... and the title was pleasant ... refusal of hospitalization. And below it will bring an explanation. And everything will fall into place. If then it was done to improve. But now only to worsen the state of health.
  • codetalker 3 May 2020 05: 58 New
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    For those who are engaged in this field, it is no secret that the Russian healthcare system is the legal successor (which is obvious) of the Soviet system, inherited from it all the shortcomings. Some were aggravated, some were smoothed out. By historical standards, mass free medicine has appeared recently. And this is the merit of the Soviet government. But to bring it to an acceptable quality is our task.
  • alekc75 3 May 2020 06: 00 New
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    everything was so bad ???? author, can you live in vain then? It was necessary to immediately die and do not suffer !!
    1. Donald72 3 May 2020 06: 03 New
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      alekc75 I understand that now you feel sick and you are already washing a rope for yourself.
      1. alekc75 3 May 2020 06: 42 New
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        I'm good! and I am familiar with the medicine of that time — no need to blame everything on separate places in the USSR!
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      everything was so bad ???? author, can you live in vain then? It was necessary to immediately die and do not suffer !!

      Faith and grants do not allow the author: It’s a little awkward, there is still where. request It reminds me of a satire from the Kukryniksy: A Western tourist photographs the contents of a garbage can.
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        photographs the contents of the garbage tank.

        How badly do you speak about the OK CPSU archive ...
  • Dart2027 3 May 2020 06: 35 New
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    It cannot be said that in the USSR it was only bad, success was a fact, but when you read some authors and commentators praising it as an earthly paradise, it becomes ridiculous.
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      The USSR was only bad, success was a fact, but when you read some authors and commentators praising it as an earthly paradise, it becomes ridiculous.

      You will live in modern hell, and the Sahara desert will seem like an oasis, and only the USSR of the early 60s ..... a paradise of justice and goodness. After Stalin, the bureaucracy has not yet expanded and gained strength.
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        You will live in modern hell

        I am in Russia and live. Problems have been and always will be, but hell is not necessary.
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          Problems have been and always will be, but about hell do not.

          You must Fedya, you must. Juvenile justice, the Unified State Examination, the police, you won’t release a child into the yard without supervision, prostitution and blue-pink. Do you know about the USSR or tell the future? The comparison gives an idea of ​​the lost paradise with 3 varieties of mayonnaise and the presence of a real hell with 20 types of packaging of mayonnaise.
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            Do you know about the USSR or

            It is known. There was no hell then, no now. 90th survived.
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            Unified State Examination

            Yes, you already got it with your USE. This is just an assessment of knowledge. If a person does not want to study, no USE will save. I got a certificate, go do whatever you want, life will teach. Moreover, the army.
      2. AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 13: 38 New
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        Live in Russia. I don’t watch hell, obviously we live no worse than before. Are you sure you live in Russia?
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          The old song - “Who lives in Russia well” ... Naturally, someone is no worse than before. Especially if you do not do science. Scientists - this is a whole social stratum, practically discarded in the XVIII century the last 30 years.
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          I don’t watch hell

          There are a lot of things. Lack of glasses, dirty windows, young age .......
          obviously we live no worse than before.
          compared to what? 1913? What will we compare, the number of machines, the number of sausage varieties (I do not recommend comparing the quality repeat )
  • Thunderbolt 3 May 2020 07: 02 New
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    Information on the condition and measures to improve medical services in the cities and working villages of the region (Appendix to paragraph 17, etc. 7. Minutes of the meeting of the Bureau of the CPSU OK from 14.01/16.03.1963 to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    In fact, such protocols of party committees exist by year. And you need to consider them in dynamics ---- what it was possible to fix for the reporting period, and where else party control remains to be exercised. Such control existed everywhere, in all cities and villages, in all republics of the immense Union.
    By the way, the figures given by the author are funny compared to the present. Since the USSR in those years was not built to enrich developers, it was simply that demography was a plus, and besides, the party was steadily developing the theme of improving people's life. admission to the factory --- hostel, worked and showed himself --- on, our dear Soviet man, the keys to the apartment.
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      just demography went into plus

      About it will also be!
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      the figures given by the author are funny compared to modern times.

      Do you have modern figures for the Penza region? However, now there is a website of the Ministry of Health, everything can be seen there ...
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      , but simply demography was a plus, and besides, the party was steadily developing the theme of improving people's life.

      demography went to MINUSDEPOPULATION began in 1964 population and it is Russian, in the first place.

      THE USSR-first country in Europe came to this "achievement". By the end of 1991, these “successes” of the party led to the direct extinction of the Russians — the Russian Cross is called.

      It's just FACTS
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      the party has steadily developed the theme of improving people's life. admission to the factory --- hostel, worked and showed himself --- on, our dear Soviet man, the keys to the apartment.

      And how did people all over the world live (and much better) without a party? request lol

      The apartment, by the way, is NOT YOUR, but State.

      naked came a man in this world, naked and left without leaving anything to the children
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        leaving nothing to the children

        We watch the film (just 1963) "Everything remains for the people."
        When did children stop being human?
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      And it is necessary to consider them in dynamics ---- what has been fixed for the reporting period, and where party control remains to be exercised.

      8 years they couldn’t finish building the hospitals .. Year-2-3 - before the control there wasn’t something ??? Just yet to come ???
      The expression "unfinished" was invented in the early USSR, not even under Andropov ..
  • Oleg Skvortsov 3 May 2020 07: 05 New
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    Why this article? Again slops on the USSR? I was born and raised in the Soviet Union. I encountered medicine for the first time in 1978, when the appendix was removed. The main thing then - that even in the seediest village or town or aul, it was possible to get medical assistance - there were feldsher-obstetric stations, and with them ambulances. And not as it is now - for the entire area of ​​200 thousand people - two ambulances - survive as you want
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      Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
      Why this article? Again slops on the USSR?

      They are afraid of the restoration of the USSR, but everything is going to this ... hi
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        You will come to us to restore the USSR I am the first to meet with a gun
  • Amateur 3 May 2020 07: 35 New
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    So some readers of VO write that there were no epidemics in the USSR,

    In 1970, a significant part of the USSR was covered by the epidemic of cholera of the El Tor biotype. According to the most common version, it was brought into the territory of the Caspian region from Iran, .... However, now it was not just about laboratory samples, but about dozens, then hundreds, later thousands of cases and the so-called vibratory carriers. ... Observers did not replace inpatient medical facilities, but supplemented them - served to temporarily isolate those who did not have obvious signs of the disease, but hypothetically could be the carrier of cholera vibrio due to their presence in the infected area. During the epidemic of 1970 throughout the USSR, about 180 thousand people passed through the observation. ...
    Quantity deaths amounted to less than 1% of the total number of cases. Perhaps this is why for a very large number of former Soviet citizens of the older generation, the cholera epidemic of 1970 passed completely unnoticed, not deposited in memory.
    (https://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/kholernoe-leto-1970-goda/)
    Mr. Shpakovsky, pulling quotes, once again tries to prove that in the USSR everything was absolutely bad. This is not true.
    Cholera is a much more dangerous disease than the current “cowaminus,” but the then authorities did not advertise on TV, did not promise to “pay salaries in full” and did not lock people at home, but took real and effective measures to quarantine 100% of all persons who fell to infected areas, effective disinfection and treatment methods.
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      Quote: Amateur
      everything was bad

      Is the article talking about "everything"?
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    From the above document (if, of course, this is really a document from the archive, since there are no references to the fund, or to the number of the archive file), we can say the following:
    1st. Money for health care was released, hospitals were built, clinics worked, people were treated, women even managed to give birth in 1963 (see the first part of the text).
    2nd. Money was poorly mastered (I couldn’t give a cottage to myself for some way, or what kind of temple should be taxed in my native neighborhood), there weren’t enough qualified doctors, sanitary standards were not respected, there weren’t enough medicines or they arrived intermittently ..., further in the text.
    And now the conclusions:
    1. Subtract the number 1963 from 1945. We get 18. So many years have passed since the end of World War II. Yes, the Penza region was not occupied by the Germans and worked as a rear base, including as a hospital for thousands and thousands of wounded Soviet soldiers and commanders, saving their lives after terrible wounds at the front. After the Germans were driven to the West, the Penza region (attention!) Began to help ... Ukraine, an industry whose agriculture was destroyed during the German occupation.
    2. “Disadvantages”, of course, I don’t really want to discuss anymore. They follow from the conclusions to the first part, since the immensity cannot be grasped, the country continued to restore the national economy after the war, there were not enough people, because 27 million people died in those terrible years and 1963 was the first year of the “demographic pit,” an echo of the war. (“Thank you” to our “beloved” Germans should be conveyed from the platform of the Bundestag!) But even the fact that the unresolved professional issues of modern medicine were raised at that time already indicates that adequate and competent people worked in the Ministry of Health. Moreover, the cited document, apparently, was not even “for official use”, and even more so, it did not have the “Secret” stamp. Why hide the obvious facts?
    Thus, all the work to recover from the terrible war, while helping other regions of the USSR, everything was aimed at development, everything went forward, as the figures say. At the same time, it was possible with a sinking heart to follow the launches of Soviet spaceships, increase the country's defense, provide people with housing, medical care, and just live quietly, work, raise children, without thinking about whether you will have work tomorrow, money for food, and whether it will be possible for you to leave the house.
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      From the above document (unless, of course, this is really a document from the archive, because there are no links to the fund, or to the number of the archive file)

      But this you did not see. Yes? “Information on the state and measures to improve medical services in the cities and working villages of the region (Appendix to paragraph 17, etc. 7. Minutes of the meeting of the Bureau of the CPSU OK from January 14.01 to March 16.03.1963, 5893. F. 1. Op. 12. Unit. XNUMX. Penza Industrial Regional Committee of the CPSU. Special Sector). Well, why, why do seemingly literate people read so inattentively? Although, on the other hand, this is the first adequate comment.
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      At the same time, it was possible with a sinking heart to follow the launches of Soviet spacecraft, increase the country's defense, provide people with housing, medical care, and just live quietly, work, raise children, without thinking about whether you will have work tomorrow, money for food, and whether it will be possible for you to leave the house.

      My grandfather, a milling machine operator, joined the party in 1943 at the front, where he fled as a volunteer, seeing missile launches under the Time program, he said:
      Bastards! How much money they spend ...
      He died a communist in Russia.
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    The idiocy is that the author takes a document that reflects the real state of affairs and draws a negative conclusion: here it is "Soviet paradise." Firstly, this is a document from the party archive. Secondly, he is truthful and this is a plus to the leadership of the region. Thirdly, after a devastating war with dire consequences, only 17 years have passed. Think about it - just seventeen years old. The main resources, both financial and material and human, and lacked in the wildest way, were sent to the territories most affected by the war. Fourth, it would not hurt to get to know more closely the style of writing such documents. The emphasis has always been on opening weaknesses, so the positive part, as a rule, is small in volume. But in public speeches more was said about the positive aspects. By the way, an excessive increase in the volume of documents was not allowed.
    1. Million 3 May 2020 09: 34 New
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      Look at the name of the author. Such rarely write something good about the USSR.
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        Look at the name of the author. Such rarely write something good about the USSR.

        Do you understand your shame about your last name? I think no. Why blame others for this? They don’t choose parents ... In the history of the USSR there were people with similar surnames, the same Malinovskys and they did a lot for that country
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          They don’t choose parents, genes decide a lot. The author took a different path than, for example, Malinovsky
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            They don’t choose parents, genes decide a lot. The author took a different path than, for example, Malinovsky

            Well, wait, just that you blamed all the people with similar last names, do you consider yourself right in this? You may not agree with the opinion of the author, but why go over to the personality? By the way, there was another person with a similar surname - Rokossovsky, you and his memory are now very offended.
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              You don’t put the author with such personalities as Rokossovsky in one row. You don’t have to rush to extremes. You should have remembered Perelman too. I didn’t write about “everyone”.
              Not every Muslim terrorist, but every Muslim terrorist (c)
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                .Do not rush to extremes

                No, you don’t confuse me with you, you rushed to such an extreme, we will blame everyone with "similar surnames"
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                  Are you also one of those who are not expected in the homeland of their ancestors?
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                    Are you also one of those who are not expected in the homeland of their ancestors?

                    I am in the homeland of my ancestors ... and here they are waiting for me
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                Not every Muslim terrorist, but every Muslim terrorist(C)

                Did you blurt out abstractly now?
                Or give you examples of Orthodox terrorists?
                Is Breivik a Muslim?
                fool fool
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                  Or give you examples of Orthodox terrorists?
                  Is Breivik a Muslim?

                  What does Breivik have to do with the Orthodox? If you want to prove that there are terrorists among the Orthodox, then give a specific example, not that member of the Masonic lodge ...
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                    Or give you examples of Orthodox terrorists?
                    Is Breivik a Muslim?

                    What does Breivik have to do with the Orthodox? If you want to prove that there are terrorists among the Orthodox, then give a specific example, not that member of the Masonic lodge ...

                    The entire list of the Socialist Revolutionary Organization, for example ... are all Muslims?

                    During the period of the First Russian Revolution and until 1917, during the acts of terrorism against the authorities and expropriations, for example, about 5000 absolutely strangers died ... did Muslims also throw bombs?

                    In the jungle of red and white terror I don’t even want to go deeper - there were all Nazis and religions, including Buddhists

                    The militants did not have Ukrainians in Chechnya ??? !!!
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                      During the period of the First Russian Revolution and until 1917, during the acts of terrorism against the authorities and expropriations, for example, about 5000 absolutely strangers died ... did Muslims also throw bombs?

                      You are replacing concepts. When did Orthodox terrorists with the cries of "Christ the Great" throw bombs or did the bombings themselves tied up with bombs explode people? You want to say that the terrorist revolutionaries who killed the Russian policemen, officers, and officials did this for the glory of the Orthodox faith, as is customary for Islamic terrorists to kill shouting "Allahu akbar"? But this is nonsense !!!
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                        You are replacing concepts.

                        You are replacing concepts. You are trying to link terrorism to specific ideas / religion / nation .....
                        Terrorism is the creation of an atmosphere of fear among the population. And it does not matter at all - what is the terrorist’s ultimate goal, who commits him, and what are his ideas and religion ....
                        At the time of the terrorist attack, the goal is one- to scare the population
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                        Why are you telling me what terror is and why it is being perpetrated? Is there any talk about this? You wrote about Orthodox terrorists, but I didn’t hear about such rumors and asked for facts, and you answered me about revolutionaries and Bandera-Uniates ... The terror is carried out in the name of an idea / religion / nation: Socialist-Revolutionaries killed in the name of the socialist idea, Islamic terrorists kill in the name of religion, Bandera carried out their terror in the name of the Ukrainian nation, and they simply kill maniacs, not terrorists. By analogy, some Orthodox terrorists should kill in the name of the Orthodox faith, but you did not bring evidence ...
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                        By analogy, some Orthodox terrorists should kill in the name of the Orthodox faith, but you did not bring evidence ...

                        And that was .... The Black Hundred organized pogroms in the name of the Orthodox faith with banners and icons ... "Beat the Jews, save Russia !!" ... Wasn’t that?

                        Completely in the world and now terrorist NOT Muslim parties and organizations.
                        Just recently, they quieted down a bit and stopped shooting / detonating the IRA and the Basques
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                  The militants did not have Ukrainians in Chechnya ??? !!!

                  Do you think the Uniate militants from UNA-UNSO have fought on the Wahhabi side for the purity of the Orthodox faith?
            2. Million 4 May 2020 08: 10 New
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              Actually, I used this phrase in a different context.
              But if it really touches you like that, then compare the quantitative ratio of Muslim and Orthodox terrorists, I think this will cool the boiling mind a little)
              PS. The first part of the phrase can also be highlighted
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      the same Malinovskys and they did a lot for that country

      Are you talking about Marshal Rodion Yakovlevich Malinovsky (1898-1967) or about Roman Vatslovich Malinovsky, an agent of the tsarist secret police, State Duma deputy from the RSDLP (1876-1918)?
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        Are you talking about

        I know about both, but you yourself answer the question of which of them worked productively for the USSR and get an answer.
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    Look at the name of the author. Such rarely write something good about the USSR.

    He is a Slav. Unlike the lion's share of the theorists of communism and socialism. Which very quickly removed from practice. And the Soviet Union collapsed, too, indigenous, not Middle Eastern fellow hi
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      Just for some reason, the Middle East turned out to be in power
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