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The key to domination is again in the hands of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Famous Lightnings and Super Hornets on the verge of a fiasco

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As you know, the key components of the formation of the long-range anti-aircraft / missile defense zones A2 / AD around warrants of aircraft carrier strike groups and amphibious and assault landing groups of the US Navy until recently continued to be fighter deck squadrons aviation The US Navy, which has the 4 + / ++ F / A-18C / D Hornet and F / A-18E / F Block I / II multi-purpose carrier-based fighter aircraft, as well as the US Marine Corps fighter-assault squadrons, which are multi-role operators short-range / vertical take-off and landing subsonic AV-8B “Harrier II Plus”.


On the potential of Super Hornets and Lightnings at the present stage


In conjunction with long-range and ultra-long-range guided air combat missiles AIM-120C-7 and AIM-120D AMRAAM, which have an effective interception range of 70-110 km (when starting from low altitudes) and 110-170 (when starting from high), the above machines to intercept the widest range of enemy air attacks on distant approaches (650-1000 km, taking into account the range of the Super Hornets and Harriers) to the orders of the AUG and ADG of the US Navy, 3,5-4 times higher than the maximum range of ultra-long-range two-stage of anti-aircraft guided missiles RIM-174 ERAM (SM-6 Block IA), which form the basis of the ammunition of universal vertical launchers Mk 41 VLS, included in the architecture of combat information and control systems "Aegis Baseline 9.1".

Moreover, if the AV-65B “Harrier II Plus” multi-purpose attack aircraft equipped with outdated AN / APG-8 radars based on slit antenna arrays are unable to independently confront promising tactical aircraft of the enemy of the transitional and 5th generations and to carry out early warning of approaching stealth anti-ship long-range missiles relying either on the target designation of the Advanced Hawkeye E-2D AWACS or on the successful use of the HOJ mode (pointing to the source of radiation of electronic interference in the case of aviation enemy), with advanced AN / APG-79 high-energy onboard AFAR-radar carrier-based fighter aircraft, one can be considered quite self-sufficient units in the performance of long-range air combat missions with such 4 ++ generation aircraft as the J-15S Chinese carrier-based multi-role fighters.

This ability is due to the presence in the radio-electronic architecture of the AN / APG-79 radars individually controlled transmitting and receiving modules based on high-energy low-noise gallium nitride microwave transistors and attenuators, which allow not only to achieve high noise immunity and to mitigate the interference from container electronic warfare systems of Chinese J -15S through the formation of radiation pattern dips in the direction of interference radiation sources, but also to realize high-energy modes fu ktsionirovaniya allowing APG-79 radar to detect targets with 12-15 sq effective reflecting surface. m (carrier-based fighter J-15S and Su-33) at a distance of nearly 200 km.

Meanwhile, the morally and technically obsolete multi-purpose attack aircraft AV-8B “Harrier II +” with their ancient APG-65 radars and much more advanced “Super Hornets” unite at once two significant tactical and technical flaws inherent in most fighters of the 4th and transition generations. Firstly, this is the inability to fly even at a low supersonic cruising speed (of the order of 1,1-1,2 M), which significantly reduces the likelihood of an early interception of enemy missile carriers before they reach the launch lines of promising hypersonic anti-ship missiles (for example, the 3M22 Zircon modification adapted to launch from the suspension nodes of the Tu-22M3 long-range bomber). Secondly, the effective scattering surface, reaching 1,5 square meters. m for F / A-18E / F (with weapons on the nodes of the suspension) and 3-5 square meters. m for the AV-8B +, respectively, which turns these fighters into excellent targets for the Su-35S multi-functional heavy fighters capable of detecting Shtatov aircraft at a distance of 270 and 450 km, respectively, and then begin intercepting them with the latest Product-180 long-range air combat missiles pre-production samples of which are already being prepared for field tests as part of the program for updating the ammunition of promising stealth fighters of the Su-57 family.

As for the 5th generation F-35B STOVL and F-35C CV deck multipurpose fighters, which have recently become the subject of great expectations both in the circles of senior Lockheed Martin representatives and in the US Navy and ILC commands, their prospects as a worthy replacement for the same Boeing F / A-18E / F Block II (not to mention the 3rd "Block") every day they become more foggy.

Just what is the information voiced by an expert of the Hudson Institute and a retired US Navy officer Brian Clarke during an interview with Defense News journalists at the end of December 2019! In particular, we are talking about a slow but sure loss of the size of a radio-absorbing coating based on a ferromagnet (with a sharp increase in the image intensifier from 0,2 to 0,5 sq. M and more), as well as partial damage to a critically important distributed antenna aperture, represented by passive aerials of radio intelligence of the airborne defense complex AN / ASQ-239 "Barracuda" in the tail of the glider during the flight of the F-35B / C even at low supersonic speed. Consequently, in light of the restrictions on flight even with a low supersonic cruising speed (barely "squeezed" by the Lightning at the "maximum" operating mode of the F135-PW-600/400 turbojet engine), no radical advantages naval "Thirty-fifths" before the Super Hornets is not necessary.
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  1. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 1 May 2020 05: 13 New
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    Thanks Zhenya.
    I recognize you from the headlines.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 May 2020 06: 27 New
      42
      Yeah, there are headlines, there is also a netanalagafmir in the world, but there is no memory!
      It is strange that it was VO that forgot that yesterday the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag was hoisted 75 years ago!
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      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 2 May 2020 16: 40 New
        +2
        Here's another. From a fairly well-known magazine.
  2. Octopus
    Octopus 1 May 2020 05: 26 New
    22
    Aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces using imaginary weapons once again defeated several hundred real naval and infantry fighting vehicles of an imaginary enemy, while the air forces of an imaginary enemy were under repair.

    At least something good, thanks.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 1 May 2020 05: 37 New
      10
      This is Damacev. Sometimes he likes to discuss a spherical horse in a vacuum request
  3. Eug
    Eug 1 May 2020 05: 37 New
    +3
    Yeah, antennas are damaged in supersonic ... Finishing them, as for me, is a bit more complicated than just casing. The reaction of countries buying Lightnings is interesting - to buy inadequate money is by no means a trinket .... At least a price reduction, at a maximum - cancellation of the program ...
    1. Carnifexx
      Carnifexx 1 May 2020 14: 08 New
      -4
      With this drawback, only the F-35B for Britain and Japan is exported, and the F-35A is in order.
      As for the "big money", you are in vain, because the F-35A is cheaper than the Su-35, and even more so the Rafaelka with the Typhoon is cheaper. Although I cannot disagree - they will bargain to bargain.
      1. Eug
        Eug 1 May 2020 15: 08 New
        +1
        I'm not talking about the comparative price of aircraft. The question, as for me, is that the price is named for equipment with clearly defined characteristics, but it turns out that these characteristics do not correspond .. and there are no guarantees to avoid this in the future.
        1. Carnifexx
          Carnifexx 1 May 2020 16: 32 New
          -3
          This happens with every new aircraft (in fact, it happened much worse), but here is such a machine. The program is ambitious - to say nothing, but Lockheed pulls it, and my respect for the reduction in the purchase price.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 1 May 2020 22: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: Carnifexx
            Lockheed pulls her, and the decrease in the purchase price is my respect.

            I agree with you, the program is ambitious. But about the reduction in the purchase price - this is only for yourself. 'Partners' do not have the pleasure of rejoicing.
            1. Carnifexx
              Carnifexx 2 May 2020 09: 02 New
              +1
              How many did not look for a difference in prices, could not find. All sources are talking about the United States and international buyers.
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 2 May 2020 11: 42 New
                +2
                As an example, let us recall Italy, where there was even an attempt to terminate the procurement program and one of the reasons was the increasing cost of the program beyond the planned one. The partners are not going smoothly, but they have nowhere to go.
                By and large, when the Americans were interested in the well-being of their partners. Moreover, in the states themselves, price reductions are more likely the result of negotiations.
                1. Carnifexx
                  Carnifexx 2 May 2020 15: 03 New
                  +1
                  As for the price reduction, there is an opinion that with an increase in volumes and experience in production, the price falls, which Marxists tend to admit (and they are stubborn). On the other hand, you say that the price reduction is the result of negotiations, well, some rumors about Italy (it sounds like another conversation about American imperialism). You yourself understand what I'm inclined to believe.
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 2 May 2020 15: 34 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Carnifexx
                    you understand what I'm inclined to believe.

                    Understand. I also understand that if I say that I expressed their opinion from private conversations, you have reason to doubt.
                    Marxists are stubborn guys. But we are talking about the final product, and in this case, the product is not finished, and all improvements n5 are free
    2. fider
      fider 1 May 2020 17: 30 New
      -2
      Eug.
      Yeah, antennas are damaged in supersonic ... Finishing them, as for me, is a bit more complicated than just casing. The reaction of countries buying Lightnings is interesting - to buy inadequate money is by no means a trinket .... At least a price reduction, at a maximum - cancellation of the program ... [quote] [/ quote]
      Do not worry about other countries and their money. It's not nice to look into someone else's pocket.
  4. Dmitry from Voronezh
    Dmitry from Voronezh 1 May 2020 05: 37 New
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    I cannot give an accurate assessment of the adequacy of replacing the Super Hornets with the F-35. But attention is drawn to the fact that the anti-ship missiles "Zircon" mentioned in the article are not yet in service, just as there is no R-77PD, that is, items 180. So we have our word "Zirconies" and item 180, say, I would like to hope , in 5 years. In the meantime, it remains to proceed from the possibilities that we have today.
    1. Avior
      Avior 1 May 2020 07: 48 New
      +5
      And they are not replaced
      Replace the Hornet, and the Superhornets remain on the aircraft carriers with the f-35s
    2. sgrabik
      sgrabik 2 May 2020 12: 10 New
      0
      Well, you are a pessimist, however, in 2021 "Zircons" will already go into series, because the state. the tests are going quite successfully, without disruptions, and all the flight characteristics of the missiles during the tests confirmed, the question is, how many of them will be assembled and when the airborne options will appear, because to equip the aircraft with these missiles, a full cycle of relevant work is also needed !!!
  5. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 1 May 2020 05: 58 New
    +6
    Diminishing the combat capabilities of a potential enemy is stupid!
  6. nikvic46
    nikvic46 1 May 2020 06: 11 New
    0
    I want to congratulate everyone on the holiday of May 1! The author wrote everything so intelligibly. Thank you.
  7. Free wind
    Free wind 1 May 2020 06: 14 New
    +5
    Happy holiday to all of you !!!!
    1. Dmitry from Voronezh
      Dmitry from Voronezh 1 May 2020 06: 34 New
      +6
      Thanks for the congratulation! May there be a holiday on your street!
    2. Arlen
      Arlen 1 May 2020 06: 46 New
      18
      Quote: Free Wind
      Happy holiday to all of you !!!!

      Thank! Peace and goodness to you, your family and all people of work. hi
  8. Amateur
    Amateur 1 May 2020 07: 06 New
    +3
    So who attacked whom using
    high-energy low-noise gallium nitride microwave transistors and attenuators,
    и
    loss of size of a radio-absorbing coating based on a ferromagnet (with a sharp increase in the image intensifier from 0,2 to 0,5 sq. m or more), as well as partial damage to the critical distributed aperture antenna,
    and where does
    heavy Su-35S fighters capable of detecting shtatovskie vehicles at a distance of 270 and 450 km, respectively, and then begin to intercept them using the latest long-range air-launched missiles "Product-180"

    Reading this set of words is difficult, but what is it like to write?
    But the most important thing is the huge number of comments that any article by Damantsev collects. Probably nice to feel (***) * the author.
    * Any option is allowed.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 1 May 2020 09: 20 New
      +5
      Yes, yes .... just like that - "Khan" Lightning "," Ambassador "Super Hornets" .....
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 1 May 2020 13: 36 New
        -7
        Yes, yes .... just like that - "Khan" Lightning "," Ambassador "Super Hornets" .....

        Uryakvy from the burnt sofas are knocked down with slippers after "refueling".
  9. Bez 310
    Bez 310 1 May 2020 07: 07 New
    10
    Why was this article written? To once again tell the readers how bad things are with the "partners" with carrier-based aircraft? Oh, how sorry I am for these "partners" ...
    1. Peter is not the first
      Peter is not the first 1 May 2020 17: 13 New
      +3
      wink Exactly, sorry for these "partners", they have lost everything:
      Secondly, the effective scattering surface, reaching 1,5 square meters. m for F / A-18E / F (with weapons on the nodes of the suspension) and 3-5 square meters. m for AV-8B +

      And so these planes are outdated and can be thrown into the junkyard of history.
      And even with new F-35B / C aircraft, there is also a deadly problem:
      about a slow but sure loss in the size of the radio-absorbing coating based on a ferromagnet (with a sharp increase in the image intensifier from 0,2 to 0,5 square meters or more),

      And so we and our "naval" Su-35S (a little more than a hundred aircraft were produced, EPR at the level of "obsolete."
  10. Avior
    Avior 1 May 2020 07: 46 New
    +6
    ABOUT! Again Damantsev. Long time no see smile
    What about the article?
    We can say for sure that a person not only writes, but also reads VO.
    A bunch of prominent articles from the resource included.
    Then you and Harrier from an article by A. Timokhin got into air defense, and
    The gallium nitride radar from Grippen migrated to the Americans, and the problem of f-35V and C with long afterburner at an extremely high altitude was taken into account, although it was creatively rethought, and the problem of Chinese carrier-based fighters got here.
    It’s convenient- I read articles on VO, added access zones to them- and the article is ready smile
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 1 May 2020 07: 48 New
    +5
    WITH A FRIEND HOLIDAY!
    For an article, a topic .... it has long been clear that for different traffic jams, different openers are needed !!!
    Those are striped, they started to stir up something at the expense of a universal opener in the past, such as AUG!
  12. 123456789
    123456789 1 May 2020 07: 58 New
    +4
    Quote: Amateur
    Reading this set of words is difficult, but what is it like to write?

    easy to copy
  13. 123456789
    123456789 1 May 2020 08: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Bez 310
    Why is this article written?

    And how are they paid in letters, line by line or line by line?
    1. Avior
      Avior 1 May 2020 11: 51 New
      0
      Brevity is the sister of talent, but Mother-in-law's fee smile
  14. really
    really 1 May 2020 08: 07 New
    +1
    “As you know, there is no need to talk about any radical advantages of the naval“ thirty-fifths ”over the“ Super Hornets ”. This is how the article would have looked normal. wink
  15. KOLORADO73
    KOLORADO73 1 May 2020 08: 21 New
    +5
    Yes, the author has a rich imagination! Apparently on the 35th day of "self-isolation" his withdrawal began and he climbed onto the walls of his Khrushchev, imagining there are super hornets and some kind of product 180!
  16. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 May 2020 09: 48 New
    +6
    This ability is due to the presence in the electronic architecture of the AN / APG-79 radars of individually controlled transmit-receive modules based on high energy low noise gallium nitride microwave-transistors and attenuators, which allow not only to achieve high noise immunity and to neutralize the interference from the container complexes of electronic warfare of the Chinese J-15S by forming dips in the direction of the radiation sources of interference, but also to implement high energy operating modes that allow APG-79 radars to detect targets with an effective reflective surface of 12-15 square meters. m (carrier-based fighter J-15S and Su-33) at a distance of nearly 200 km. That's it! And at first I did not understand what! Damantsev's article on May 1! It's like a May Day gift! Take the article and "tear" it like a hot water bottle! And I, for some reason, am not in the mood! I don't want to do anything ... one "depressed"! Even a couple of glasses of your favorite drink didn't help much! And now I have broken through ... the article is energetically harmful (!) ... because it emits a negative high-energy gallium nitride microwave transistor radiation pattern in the direction of the "sources of thought generation" of VO readers! As soon as "microwave transistors, gallium nitride attenuators, ARG-79, J-15S, failure diagrams, interference levels hit our eyes, then a sparkle starts in the head, fog clouds the eyes, and you stop thinking: where ..., I mean, what is the point ?!
  17. mamuka
    mamuka 1 May 2020 10: 29 New
    +8
    As usual: there are dozens, if not hundreds of them, of new products - bullshit (and the invisibility is not complete, and the doors to the toilets in them do not close tightly), and ours (1-2 in kind or in general in the picture) are much better. Here we will defeat everyone.
  18. Maks1995
    Maks1995 1 May 2020 11: 12 New
    +2
    It's time to learn to read between the lines again.
    Not the domination of the Russian Aerospace Forces, but the key to domination. There is no dominance, but there is a key. Which, no - do not care, but there is.
    Since there are almost no under rockets yet, the key is clear - a fantasy one, named after Khoja Nasretdin ...
  19. Engineer
    Engineer 1 May 2020 11: 12 New
    +2
    Eugene throws it in the heat then in the cold)
    Less than a year ago we merged DVB
    https://topwar.ru/159734-pochemu-my-proigryvaem-dalnij-vozdushnyj-boj-utrata-iniciativy-kak-zakonomernost.html
    And now we’ll already find it earlier and shoot with Product 180 without fear of the answer
  20. iouris
    iouris 1 May 2020 12: 37 New
    0
    What can you say here? "Uraaaaaaa!"
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 2 May 2020 11: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Bread cutter, better tell me how you "served" the visually impaired in the army. It turns out you are a balabol, “I am in Afghanistan .....”, and Lexus handed you over, you did not serve, you didn’t take you by sight. Waiting for Fr. You next tales for your service in the Airborne Forces. You weren’t beaten on August 2? And it's time to grab a Lexus for a couple.

    When I see the nickname Okolotochny the question arises - is it in modern language to be understood as a district ... warden, or where? winked lol
    1. Revival
      Revival 6 May 2020 20: 23 New
      0
      Just almost accurate)) or not quite accurate)), about the exact (just kidding)
  22. stone
    stone 2 May 2020 16: 39 New
    +1
    Spring. Damantsev has another aggravation. lol
  23. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 2 May 2020 20: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Korax71
    This is Damacev. Sometimes he likes to discuss a spherical horse in a vacuum request

    And I wonder if some of the witters present here can come up with their own vivid expression? Probably, there are no such abilities, hence the alien is repeated to holes.
  24. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 2 May 2020 20: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Amateur
    But the most important thing is the huge number of comments that any article by Damantsev collects. Probably nice to feel (***) * the author.
    * Any option is allowed.

    And how do you think of yourself in this situation?
  25. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 3 May 2020 04: 20 New
    +1
    The author, it is worth operating with what is available. So far, we have nothing better than the Su-35 with the Irbis and the R-77, and how many of them - about 100? Are the other hundreds and thousands of cars better, newer than American ones? All this news about certain "products" has been circulating on the net for decades, but things are still there. I believe in the best, but it's too early to declare "the key to air supremacy in the hands of the Aerospace Forces".
  26. Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok 5 May 2020 22: 28 New
    0
    The author began normally, and then rolled into a cap-tale agitation. Compares, what is already in service with the U.S. Navy and with the fact that only May appears in service with the aviation of the Russian Federation and with the expected (desired characteristics) Vis-a-vis disadvantages are exaggerated and the foggy advantages of domestic systems are inflated.
    Suppose that the AV-8B is already a middle-aged and already well-deserved machine (and it cannot boast of the presence of such a domestic Navy), let it only use AIM-9M and AIM-120B at the moment (but in the next it will receive 9X BlockII and AIM-120C, plus LINK-16, and in the 23rd and SATCOM) and this will already be other possibilities.
    Does Super Hornet have such a good EPR with suspensions? To tell the truth, the Su-35 under the same conditions has an order of magnitude greater and it will be detected at distant frontiers (and using AWACS aircraft)
    An impressive Su-35 detection range is possible in a narrow sector of the beam with a significant increase in its power (and visibility). Most likely, at a distance of five hundred km, it will be able to detect in fact only a target the size of a Boeing flying at high altitude.
    And do not forget that in Soviet times, much attention was paid to the problem of real, not propaganda, struggle with AUGs and in those years, to solve the task of defeating AUGs, Tu-22 with R-X-22 anti-ship missiles were allocated from the regiment (and more). And taking into account the improvement of naval air defense of the U.S. Navy (which has received fundamentally new opportunities) as well as the development of carrier-based aviation and air-to-air missiles, it is difficult to hope that less forces and means will be required.

    As for the F-35, it is currently really not recommended to make a long supersonic flight with afterburner. The problem was identified in 2011 on versions B and C. In total, two cases were recorded, one each for the indicated types. Since then, the coating has changed. The problem could not be reproduced, but since there is no 100% guarantee, there are currently limitations on supersonic. Most likely it’s a matter of a very powerful airplane engine, which gives a large “torch” and radiation. But this limitation is clearly temporary and in no way multiplies the capabilities of the F-35 by zero. It remains an inconspicuous fighter, with an advanced avionics, which will be discovered much later than aircraft of past generations. And this is his great tactical advantage. Relatively speaking, he had earlier discovered his fourth-generation counterpart that he would not even understand where and by whom the missile attack was launched from a long distance.
    In general, I would have watched how the Su-35 cruises in supersonic suspension with missiles (rocket weapons and a suspension pylon) and if it is capable of it, then how much fuel it will have.
  27. Charik
    Charik 5 May 2020 23: 14 New
    0
    This is some kind of shame (Schwonder House)
  28. Revival
    Revival 6 May 2020 20: 19 New
    -2
    "and then start intercepting them by means of the latest long-range air combat missiles" Product-180 ", the pre-production samples of which are already being prepared for full-scale tests."

    And then?
    And after how you first have to go through the tests and get into service, and we often have such a "tmmmmmmm" in time that ....
  29. Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 7 May 2020 22: 13 New
    0
    As long as I live - the damned West is decaying and decaying. Why doesn’t it rot in any way.