In Kiev, announced the Ukrainian origin of the T-14 Armata

In Kiev, announced the Ukrainian origin of the T-14 Armata

The promising T-14 Armata tank is not a Russian development, but is of Ukrainian origin. According to Defense Express, “Armata” was allegedly developed on the basis of the Kharkov project “Object 477 Hammer”.


Ukrainian experts claim that the T-14 Armata, positioned by Russia as a “revolutionary tank with active protection, a radar, a 152-mm cannon with an automatic loader and a powerful engine,” is in fact the Ukrainian development of the 80s of the last century. The publication writes that in its concept and the specified characteristics, Armata is no different from the Kharkov Hammer, starting "from the caliber of the gun and the crewless tower, engine power and the presence of active protection." The only difference is the availability of modern electronics, but this is explained in Ukraine as the “30-year technological advancement”.

However, in reality, as in the case of many “new products” of the Russian defense industry, “Armata” is only the implementation of the USSR sunset project. Namely, the project of the Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering named after Morozov Object 477 "Hammer", which began to be processed in the 80s

- say Ukrainian "experts."

According to them, Russia began the development of "Almaty" in the 2000s, when oil prices allowed Russian specialists to gain access to foreign technologies, without which Russia allegedly could not create a modern tank on its own.

The active use of Western components allowed Russian designers from Uralvagonzavod to draw Armata on top of the drawings of the Kharkov Hammer

- writes the edition.

However, the introduction by the collective West of anti-Russian sanctions "for the capture of Crimea" and the cessation of supplies of Western components did not allow Russia to bring "Armata" to a series and supplies to the troops.

All that the Russian military-industrial complex under the Armata project has been able to achieve over 10-15 years is to use up enormous funds, collect experimental samples with various degrees of equipment from stocks of the "pre-sanction era" and transport them along Red Square during the parade once in year

- say Ukrainian experts.
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  1. NF68 April 29 2020 16: 23 New
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    Who would doubt it.
    1. Sky strike fighter April 29 2020 16: 33 New
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      Defense Express: Russian tank Armata has Ukrainian roots

      This is a diagnosis. To doctors urgently authors of this nonsense.
      HISTORY OF DESIGN

      Since 1990, as part of the Improvement-88 program, the UKBTM design bureau in Nizhny Tagil began work on a new tank of the fourth post-war generation. However, it should be noted that the object “477”, also known as the “Hammer”, was created in Kharkov with the assistance of specialists from Leningrad and Nizhny Tagil. The highlight of the new car was the so-called carriage layout with the installation of a gun in a small uninhabited tower. The entire crew was placed in an armored corps.

      For the guns, they developed a unique reloading system, capable, according to the designers, to develop an unprecedented rate of fire up to 14 rounds per minute. The charging module, made in the form of a rotating drum, contained 10 shots and, if necessary, was replenished from two modules of 16 shots placed on both sides. However, such a system turned out to be too complex and in need of substantial revision. Despite the uninhabited tower, the fact that the crew, ammunition and fuel were placed in the same volume became the most significant drawback. When the armor was broken, the detonation of the ammunition and a fire occurred, the tankers had no chance of rescue.


      The next step forward was made by the specialists of the Leningrad Design Bureau (subsequently Design Bureau Spetsmash). Their “Object 299” was originally created as a universal platform that could serve as a basis for the development of the main battle tank, heavy infantry fighting vehicles, engineering vehicles and anti-tank vehicles. This greatly complicated the design work, but, on the other hand, promised to significantly reduce the cost of manufacturing equipment and facilitate its repair and maintenance.

      When designing the tank, they chose a non-standard layout for the domestic school with the front location of the engine-transmission compartment. Behind him placed an armored capsule with a crew, and in the aft - the fighting compartment.

      As a power plant, a gas turbine engine with a capacity of 1500 liters was originally intended. with. The front wheel drive chassis received 7 track rollers with torsion bar suspension on board.

      The crew was supposed to be placed in the middle of the hull in a total volume. The fighting compartment was created uninhabited, fully automated with the ability to control from crew jobs. To do this, periscope surveillance devices were installed on the roof of the inhabited compartment, which were supplemented by a system of all-round cameras.
      The aft was intended to accommodate a combat (in the form of a tank) or landing (in the form of a heavy infantry fighting vehicle) compartment. The design of the hull and running gear made it possible to equip the Object 299 with a gun of up to 152 mm caliber. All operations with ammunition from firing a shot from stacking to ejecting a pallet liner should have been performed automatically. In the heavy BMP variant, the machine was supposed to be equipped with a combat module with an automatic small-caliber gun.

      However, this project was completed at the stage of testing the first running layout. Perestroika and the collapse of the USSR buried him.


      And here is the real beginning of the design of the T-14 Armata.

      In 2000, Russia decided to terminate cooperation with Ukraine in the development of promising armored vehicles and to begin the independent design of a new tank.

      This is where the matter got off the ground.

      https://aw.mail.ru/armata_history

      So it’s nonsense to call Object 477, whose project ended in failure, the forerunner of Armata.
      1. NF68 April 29 2020 16: 35 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Defense Express: Russian tank Armata has Ukrainian roots

        This is a diagnosis. To doctors urgently authors of this nonsense.
        HISTORY OF DESIGN

        Since 1990, as part of the Improvement-88 program, the UKBTM design bureau in Nizhny Tagil began work on a new tank of the fourth post-war generation. However, it should be noted that the object “477”, also known as the “Hammer”, was created in Kharkov with the assistance of specialists from Leningrad and Nizhny Tagil. The highlight of the new car was the so-called carriage layout with the installation of a gun in a small uninhabited tower. The entire crew was placed in an armored corps.

        For the guns, they developed a unique reloading system, capable, according to the designers, to develop an unprecedented rate of fire up to 14 rounds per minute. The charging module, made in the form of a rotating drum, contained 10 shots and, if necessary, was replenished from two modules of 16 shots placed on both sides. However, such a system turned out to be too complex and in need of substantial revision. Despite the uninhabited tower, the fact that the crew, ammunition and fuel were placed in the same volume became the most significant drawback. When the armor was broken, the detonation of the ammunition and a fire occurred, the tankers had no chance of rescue.


        The next step forward was made by the specialists of the Leningrad Design Bureau (subsequently Design Bureau Spetsmash). Their “Object 299” was originally created as a universal platform that could serve as a basis for the development of the main battle tank, heavy infantry fighting vehicles, engineering vehicles and anti-tank vehicles. This greatly complicated the design work, but, on the other hand, promised to significantly reduce the cost of manufacturing equipment and facilitate its repair and maintenance.

        When designing the tank, they chose a non-standard layout for the domestic school with the front location of the engine-transmission compartment. Behind him placed an armored capsule with a crew, and in the aft - the fighting compartment.

        As a power plant, a gas turbine engine with a capacity of 1500 liters was originally intended. with. The front wheel drive chassis received 7 track rollers with torsion bar suspension on board.

        The crew was supposed to be placed in the middle of the hull in a total volume. The fighting compartment was created uninhabited, fully automated with the ability to control from crew jobs. To do this, periscope surveillance devices were installed on the roof of the inhabited compartment, which were supplemented by a system of all-round cameras.
        The aft was intended to accommodate a combat (in the form of a tank) or landing (in the form of a heavy infantry fighting vehicle) compartment. The design of the hull and running gear made it possible to equip the Object 299 with a gun of up to 152 mm caliber. All operations with ammunition from firing a shot from stacking to ejecting a pallet liner should have been performed automatically. In the heavy BMP variant, the machine was supposed to be equipped with a combat module with an automatic small-caliber gun.

        However, this project was completed at the stage of testing the first running layout. Perestroika and the collapse of the USSR buried him.


        And here is the real beginning of the design of the T-14 Armata.

        In 2000, Russia decided to terminate cooperation with Ukraine in the development of promising armored vehicles and to begin the independent design of a new tank.

        This is where the matter got off the ground.

        https://aw.mail.ru/armata_history

        So it’s nonsense to call Object 477, whose project ended in failure, the forerunner of Armata.


        Where so many doctors to get? This is not the only such statement by the descendants of the great ukrov.
        1. Vlp8 April 29 2020 23: 14 New
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          Duc if Poroshenko and Co. They said that Russia was Ukraine’s successor because Russia was Kiev ... fellow
        2. Hagen April 30 2020 06: 07 New
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          Quote: NF68
          Where so many doctors to get?

          And after all, the point is not that the Ukrainian Nazis want to pull on themselves all the achievements of thought that they can reach. And the fact that they do not understand how sorry they look in their current state compared to what they are trying to claim. There are already conceptual problems. In general, it can be stated that practically not a single large joint project with Ukraine has really “flown” over the past 30 years. And it is unlikely that in the next 30 years something will radically change. There the doctors will no longer help ...
      2. Egor-dis April 29 2020 19: 21 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        This is a diagnosis. To doctors urgently authors of this nonsense.

        Do not urgently need a doctor. This is not an acute phase, but a chronic one. The standard reaction of the ethnic bearers of the hutro civilization. First, try to cheat (remember the banter of an unfinished / cardboard / plywood / stalling tank at the May 9th parade), then when throwing a brown substance does not bring any results, announce that it’s all theirs, only they’ve all been "stolen". Country name, tank, first constitution, etc. by the list.
      3. Roman123567 April 30 2020 08: 37 New
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        The highlight of the new car was the so-called carriage layout with the installation of a gun in a small uninhabited tower. The entire crew was placed in an armored corps.


        "Armata" - this is only the implementation of the sunset project of the USSR


        So it’s nonsense to call Object 477, whose project ended in failure, the forerunner of Armata.


        Something I wrote from you did not see what is nonsense ..
        On the contrary, at first I laughed at the article, and after reading your quotes I was convinced that, in fact, the developments, it turns out, were still Soviet ..
      4. Bad_gr April 30 2020 09: 03 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        So it’s nonsense to call Object 477, whose project ended in failure, the forerunner of Armata.
        The forerunner of Armata was object 195.
        1. Clerk 1 May 2020 12: 59 New
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          Quote: Bad_gr
          The forerunner of Armata was object 195.

          Not a forerunner, but a parallel / previous project. The Armata project is a project of a unified heavy tracked chassis for the entire BTVT family (tanks, self-propelled guns, TBTR, ARVs and others), and not a tank project with an uninhabited turret. The uninhabited tower was not even the first and only Ukrainians to come up with. Their "Hammers", "Boxers" and "Rebels" - this is just an abuse of the T-80. The T-14 has nothing to do with its layout, rooted in the T-62 \ 64 - because not based on it and the Kharkov school, but on the original project "Object 299" of the Leningrad Kirov Plant and the Russian Design Bureau "Spetsmash": https://topwar.ru/144776-obekt-299-tank-predelnyh-parametrov-i-semeystvo- tehniki.html


          ... so let Svidomo do not breach!
    2. major147 April 29 2020 17: 00 New
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      Quote: NF68
      Who would doubt it.

      I always have the same question with this kind of throw-in, so if they are so “smart,” then why are they so poor recourse ?
      1. 210ox April 29 2020 17: 07 New
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        By the way, they recognize that the forerunner is in the USSR (not Ukraine). So what is wrong? But the title of the article is awful. "However, in reality, as in the case of many" new products "of the Russian defense industry, Armata is only the implementation of the USSR sunset project."
        1. major147 April 29 2020 17: 11 New
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          Quote: 210ox
          By the way, they recognize that the forerunner is in the USSR (not Ukraine). So what is wrong? But the title of the article is awful.

          In the speeches of the "Ukrainian experts" I did not see the abbreviations of the USSR ....
          1. Lelek April 29 2020 18: 12 New
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            Quote: major147
            In the speeches of the "Ukrainian experts" I did not see the abbreviations of the USSR ....

            hi
            And it cannot be there, because according to the opinions of these “experts”, everything that was invented in the world is the products of the mind and the skills of ukro-Sumerians, everything from ancient pebble cymbals to the latest achievement in rocketry.

            And the forms and functionality of “Almaty” they copied from the ancestors of the hedgehogs in the Donashier. So in the near future we will be revealed even more amusing historical opuses of these (sorry for the expression) "experts".
            1. Shkodnick April 30 2020 21: 01 New
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              Quote: Lelek
              Quote: major147
              In the speeches of the "Ukrainian experts" I did not see the abbreviations of the USSR ....

              hi
              And it cannot be there, because according to the opinions of these “experts”, everything that was invented in the world is the products of the mind and the skills of ukro-Sumerians, everything from ancient pebble cymbals to the latest achievement in rocketry.

              And the forms and functionality of “Almaty” they copied from the ancestors of the hedgehogs in the Donashier. So in the near future we will be revealed even more amusing historical opuses of these (sorry for the expression) "experts".

              They decided not to continue the work of the Hammer, but to go their own, independent path and created something more "serious and terrible" ... from what was at hand in the carpentry shop.
          2. 210ox April 29 2020 19: 58 New
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            We carefully read the article.
        2. zenion April 30 2020 14: 21 New
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          Where did they get the idea of ​​how to create such a tank in the USSR? Everything is very simple. When submarines in the Black Sea sank to the very depths, they noticed an unidentified object of unknown configuration. Then they attached an unknown length of cable to an object of an unidentified configuration in depth. When extracting this device into the territory of Crimea, which at that time was Russian, they found inside the paper with the letters Morse code. When the USSR stole the key to this alphabet in the USA, it turned out that this was the machine of the Black Sea diggers at that time. They drowned it, so that future generations would not make a tank of it. It was very similar to a tank, a roof overhead, in an armored capsule, so that pieces of the eruption rock would not fall on their heads. And what looked like the trunk was actually the hilt of a shovel that dug the soil and threw it towards the Caspian Sea, creating the Caucasus Mountains. That's the whole secret of how they created a tank similar to the digging machine of ancient ukrov, which was pulled by fifty oxen. At that time, such cars were apparently invisible, but the rest of the cars were eaten by moths.
        3. Whiteidol April 30 2020 19: 29 New
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          I will say more .. Armata, this is a modernized Bastion)))
      2. 1976AG April 29 2020 17: 29 New
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        Quote: major147
        Quote: NF68
        Who would doubt it.

        I always have the same question with this kind of throw-in, so if they are so “smart,” then why are they so poor recourse ?

        Well, actually smart are often poor. The wealthy become mostly arrogant and cunning. Another question is more relevant here. If the T-14 has Ukrainian roots, then why do they themselves sit without modern tanks? And the fact that the T-14 is being tested for a long time is not surprising. The T-14 is not just a new tank, it is a new concept for the use of tanks. This is not just an armored unit, it is a whole command center.
      3. avg
        avg April 29 2020 18: 37 New
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        I always have the same question with this kind of throw-in, so if they are so “smart”, then why are they so poor recourse?

        The poor because they are very honest and still feed everyone. And they came up with Armata, but for a long time they didn’t tell anyone about it because they were modest and very shy. repeat
        1. zenion 2 May 2020 13: 34 New
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          They didn’t tell because they called her in a different way, then in the third, they did not agree and forgot that it was all and why the argument?
      4. Mwg
        Mwg April 30 2020 03: 54 New
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        What are you ?! So the Russians stole everything !!! ))))))))
      5. Roman123567 April 30 2020 08: 38 New
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        And we??)))))
    3. venik April 29 2020 17: 11 New
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      Quote: NF68
      Who would doubt it.

      =====
      good And in general: All the best (in the Universe) was invented (it is believed in ... In the context, it is "invented"!) And done (but it is not really believed in it, for the past 30 years it has not been believed from the word "in general "!) exclusively in Ukraine !!! lol laughing
      PS In short, as in a "bearded" joke: "...By the way! X-rays are also is our invention!...".
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    5. antivirus April 29 2020 17: 33 New
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      and I was there, honey, I drank beer, flowed down my mustache but didn’t get into my mouth ...
    6. Pravodel April 29 2020 17: 56 New
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      By itself. After all, Ukraine also dug up the Black Sea, as it invented the wheel. Wind them ....
    7. Sergey39 April 29 2020 18: 13 New
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      Quote: NF68
      Who would doubt it.

      Well, if so, let them put up for sale!
    8. Sergey Averchenkov April 29 2020 22: 55 New
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      Great answer.
    9. Nick April 30 2020 15: 41 New
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      Quote: NF68
      Who would doubt it.

      Dill instead of brains affects intelligence is not for the better. Even if you do not take into account that the T-14 is its own development of UVZ, the Hammer project is also Russian and not Ukrainian, since it was developed in the USSR, of which Ukraine was a part. Considering that Russia was recognized as the successor of the USSR, international institutions, and above all the UN and its Security Council, all Soviet developments are also the property of Russia. Simple logic. In a word, the intellectual degradation of the expert community in Ukraine is obvious. Experts were replaced by Xperds.
  2. NEXUS April 29 2020 16: 27 New
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    The promising T-14 Armata tank is not a Russian development, but is of Ukrainian origin. According to Defense Express, “Armata” was allegedly developed on the basis of the Kharkov project “Object 477 Hammer”

    So, after all, the Ukrainians themselves shouted in three throats in the year 15, but Armata is cardboard. fellow
    1. Stalllker April 29 2020 16: 40 New
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      Yes, that they just did not scream and continue to scream. It’s strange that they don’t understand that no one “buys” their nonsense
      1. Titus_2 April 29 2020 17: 03 New
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        I already hoped that our eyes were opened to us (a joke), and in fact of their delirium ... we have less discussion topics.
      2. venik April 29 2020 17: 35 New
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        Quote: Stalllker
        It’s strange that they don’t understand that no one “buys” their nonsense

        ======
        Yes, understand, then maybe they understand .... That's just woundedhe really hypertrophied vanity (actively encouraged by the media and "nat-patriotic" education) - "shut up" prevents!
    2. sergo1914 April 29 2020 16: 45 New
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      Quote: NEXUS
      The promising T-14 Armata tank is not a Russian development, but is of Ukrainian origin. According to Defense Express, “Armata” was allegedly developed on the basis of the Kharkov project “Object 477 Hammer”

      So, after all, the Ukrainians themselves shouted in three throats in the year 15, but Armata is cardboard. fellow


      So there is a basis. They burned them in thousands. There are all fields and forests in the burnt and blown Armats. There is nowhere to enter.
    3. Sky strike fighter April 29 2020 16: 51 New
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      Quote: NEXUS
      The promising T-14 Armata tank is not a Russian development, but is of Ukrainian origin. According to Defense Express, “Armata” was allegedly developed on the basis of the Kharkov project “Object 477 Hammer”

      So, after all, the Ukrainians themselves shouted in three throats in the year 15, but Armata is cardboard. fellow

      So maybe their forerunner was conceived as a cardboard tank, they just confused it with our T-14.
      1. Alf
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        So maybe their forerunner was conceived as a cardboard tank, they just confused it with our T-14.

        An interesting photo somehow came across.

        I wonder what THIS is?
        1. Sky strike fighter April 29 2020 20: 07 New
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          Dump of old rusty tanks.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 29 2020 20: 09 New
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            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Dump of old rusty tanks.

            I understand, I want to show off wit. Not always out of place. You cannot answer what kind of tank it is with a similar tower ...
            1. Sky strike fighter April 29 2020 20: 15 New
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              The ancient Sumerian tank Armata, which participated in the excavations during the creation of the Black Sea.
              1. Alf
                Alf April 29 2020 20: 19 New
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                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                The ancient Sumerian tank Armata, which participated in the excavations during the creation of the Black Sea.

                Clearly, continue to joke further, if you do not know, say so.
                1. Sky strike fighter April 29 2020 20: 22 New
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                  So enlighten, introduce to knowledge.
                  1. Bad_gr April 30 2020 09: 20 New
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                    American development, the series did not go.

        2. Astra wild April 29 2020 20: 46 New
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          Something rusty
          1. Alf
            Alf April 29 2020 20: 54 New
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            Quote: Astra wild
            Something rusty

            What, damn it, everyone is smart today. I ask Russian in white, what kind of tank is this? You do not know, do not write better, you will seem smarter.
            1. Stalllker April 30 2020 01: 43 New
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              Where did you see the tank there, at best, the "layout" of the tank in iron
            2. Astra wild April 30 2020 18: 34 New
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              "Russian in white, what kind of tank is this" Have you ever thought: for what fig WOMAN to know what kind of tank it is?
              1. Alf
                Alf April 30 2020 21: 00 New
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                Quote: Astra wild
                "Russian in white, what kind of tank is this" Have you ever thought: for what fig WOMAN to know what kind of tank it is?

                Then what does a woman who does not want to know do on a tank sub-forum? Flaunts his illiteracy? If you don’t know, why are you trying to answer?
        3. Marconi41 April 29 2020 22: 25 New
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          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          So maybe their forerunner was conceived as a cardboard tank, they just confused it with our T-14.

          An interesting photo somehow came across.

          I wonder what THIS is?

          Really interesting photo. Judging by the rust, the product is old, but that the tower is uninhabited is a fact. If not installation, then it’s almost a sensation.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 29 2020 22: 55 New
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            Quote: Marconi41
            Really interesting photo. Judging by the rust, the product is old, but that the tower is uninhabited is a fact. If not installation, then it’s almost a sensation.

            In the background is something similar to the M-113. On the left is the Abrams tower. The board of this miracle is also interesting, along the entire length it is even, reminiscent of the board of Almaty. Yes, and three hatches in front of the tower ...
            1. zenion 2 May 2020 13: 58 New
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              A self-propelled artillery gun that didn’t go, because the Americans never had any tanks or self-propelled guns.
          2. Guru April 30 2020 00: 15 New
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            Broaden your horizons, look around. What surrounds this is how you said "Ukrainian miracle" wink
            In the background is seen the English Centurion 7 \ 1, and Challenger seems nearby. This is definitely NOT UKRAINE
            1. Alf
              Alf April 30 2020 13: 00 New
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              Quote: Guru
              and Challenger seems nearby.

              Challenger with such a tower? Maybe expand your horizons?
        4. Hermit21 April 29 2020 23: 03 New
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          Abrams TTB - running model Abrashi with a carriage layout
          1. Alf
            Alf April 29 2020 23: 08 New
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            Quote: Hermit21
            Abrams TTB - running model Abrashi with a carriage layout

            Thank you Alexey! Now everything fell into place. And then there are only a few who are smart and knowledgeable, but stupid wits, at least ... eat. hi
            1. Hermit21 April 29 2020 23: 14 New
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              Yes, not for sho. I am surprised that no one recognized him, especially in the background is clearly Western technology, not counting the old 72
              1. Alf
                Alf April 29 2020 23: 20 New
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                Quote: Hermit21
                Yes, not for sho. I am surprised that no one recognized him, especially in the background is clearly Western technology, not counting the old 72

                So I thought about that, how could Armata, and even in such indecent form, appear among the "foreign cars"?
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                  Where did you see the armature there?
        5. D16
          D16 April 30 2020 07: 36 New
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          I wonder what THIS is?

          This is an American experimental tank with an uninhabited tower. Type I do not remember, made on the basis of Abrams in a single copy in the 80s. http://by24.org/2017/07/09/russian_armata_really_is_old_american_abrams_experimental_tank/
        6. Nick April 30 2020 15: 58 New
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          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          So maybe their forerunner was conceived as a cardboard tank, they just confused it with our T-14.

          An interesting photo somehow came across.

          I wonder what THIS is?

          Well certainly not armata
    4. major147 April 29 2020 17: 01 New
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      Quote: NEXUS
      So, after all, the Ukrainians themselves shouted in three throats in the year 15, but Armata is cardboard.

      It was, it was !!! tongue
    5. Peter is not the first April 29 2020 21: 30 New
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      No, mistaken cardboard armor is not a minus for the Ukrainians, but a plus. Remember the cardboard tank of the Kryvyi Rih tank designer of thirteen years old, and how he taught Kharkov specialists:
  3. Prahlad April 29 2020 16: 28 New
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    There are some similarities in the project.
    1. Stalllker April 29 2020 16: 41 New
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      All tanks are alike, and what ????
      1. Alexey RA April 29 2020 17: 19 New
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        Quote: Stalllker
        All tanks are alike

        1. Voyager April 29 2020 18: 14 New
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          Object 269?
        2. Stalllker April 30 2020 01: 35 New
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          What is fundamentally different from other tanks from other tanks? The same tracks, body, tower, armor
    2. Lopatov April 29 2020 16: 41 New
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      One tank gun, two tracks ... Indeed, the resemblance
      1. Nikolaevich I April 29 2020 16: 49 New
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        Quote: Spade
        One tank gun, two tracks ... Indeed, the resemblance

        Yes, that's not all! When one gun and two tracks is easier (!) ... easier to count! And when are two guns and 4 tracks? belay You can go crazy! wassat but still called a tank! request
      2. venik April 29 2020 17: 41 New
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        One tank gun, two tracks ... Indeed, the resemblance

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        They forgot about the motor! wink There, all tanks have a motor with a transmission and, of course, HEADLIGHTS! So what not just similarity, but you can say - FULL similarity !!! laughing
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      There are some similarities in the project.

      Yeah, caterpillars, gun, armor ...
  4. Crane April 29 2020 16: 28 New
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    And why did you forget the copyright lawsuit to roll out and trillionth compensation? Overlooked! Hail!
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      Quote: Crane
      And why did you forget the copyright lawsuit to roll out and trillionth compensation? Overlooked! Hail!

      This will be the next step.
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      Shh, no need to talk about it rumor, otherwise they will really wassat
    3. venik April 29 2020 17: 45 New
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      Quote: Crane
      And why did you forget the copyright lawsuit to roll out and trillionth compensation? Overlooked! Hail!

      =======
      Well, who, Nikolai pulls your tongue? Well, still "not evening" ... Someone can your comment read the...... Yes, and "wise up"! laughing drinks
  5. knn54 April 29 2020 16: 28 New
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    Even at the "sunset" in the USSR there were developments ahead of their time.
    1. Nikolaevich I April 29 2020 16: 56 New
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      Yes, and where does the USSR, when the age-old ykp built, for example, submarines before the formation of the Union!?
      1. Ravil_Asnafovich April 29 2020 17: 29 New
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        Of course they built, somehow it was necessary to cross the Black Sea, which the Ukrainians themselves dug up fool .
        1. Range April 29 2020 18: 10 New
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          Exactly. When they dug up the Black Sea, they dug out Armata there, and the Russian Vanka took and stole it with all the drawings inside. So Armata ukrovskaya is 100% full. yes
      2. Peter is not the first April 29 2020 21: 34 New
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        Yes, and where does the USSR, when the age-old ykp built, for example, submarines before the formation of the Union!

        Before the formation of the Union? wink You recall shallowly that they built “underwater shuttles” even before Russia appeared. But with Russia it’s already a little more complicated. drinks
  6. Maas April 29 2020 16: 28 New
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    I always knew that)
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      Quote: Maas
      I always knew that)

      Here is the first candidacy for a vacation in a boarding house.
  7. Kerensky April 29 2020 16: 28 New
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    Can you already see the Hammer on Khreshchatyk?
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      Quote: Kerensky
      Can you already see the Hammer on Khreshchatyk?

      There you can’t see the “dungster” anymore, not like the “Armata”)))))))
    2. Dym71 April 29 2020 16: 39 New
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      Quote: Kerensky
      Can you already see the Hammer on Khreshchatyk?

      You can, here is his frame bully
    3. Sky strike fighter April 29 2020 16: 55 New
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      Quote: Kerensky
      Can you already see the Hammer on Khreshchatyk?

      Sickle and Hammer in many government buildings. Ukraine’s buildings are still hanging. Of course you can.
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Quote: Kerensky
        Can you already see the Hammer on Khreshchatyk?

        Sickle and Hammer in many government buildings. Ukraine’s buildings are still hanging. Of course you can.

        ========
        This is a kind of building opposite the Kiev city hall (or city administration?), Where an active “decommunizer” is sitting, he is also an ex-boxer Klitschko:

        And this is the monument "Motherland":

        "Nat-patriots" were all going to remove the emblem of the USSR, but it seems that they "did not get" .... Shibko high!
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          "Nat-patriots" were all going to remove the emblem of the USSR, but it seems they never got it .... Very high!

          It costs real money, but there is a lot of it ............ here it turned out, it turns out the best way to grind!
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      Can you already see the Hammer on Khreshchatyk?

      ======
      Even - TEST! wassat
  8. Lord of the Sith April 29 2020 16: 34 New
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    Ukrainians invented the first wheel!

    So all the transport on planet Earth is of Ukrainian origin, except for American laughing
    And try to refute this heresy))
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      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      And try to refute this heresy))

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      WHAT FOR? When a person is silent (especially - “meaningfully”) - try to determine whether he is smart or not! Well, as soon as heresy begins to carry ... Everything AT ONCE becomes understandable!
  9. awdrgy April 29 2020 16: 34 New
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    The pyramids were built. The sea was dug. Now T 14 is done. So far, everything is logical.
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      Quote: awdrgy
      The pyramids were built. The sea was dug. Now T 14 is done. So far, everything is logical.


      How not to remember repeat belay
  10. Fat
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    The message is as short as timely. Yes, on the "drum" to whom the inspiration came to the "horse" head ... If there was such a project, then we don’t see the prototype or the layout, the Russian copies at least sometimes drill the soil ... And will we see the Soviet-Ukrainian achievements when? Nude ...
  11. svp67 April 29 2020 16: 38 New
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    in fact, it is the Ukrainian development of the 80s of the last century.
    Ukrainian development in the 80s of the last century ?????? Then there was no such country as Ukraine ...
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      Quote: svp67
      in fact, it is the Ukrainian development of the 80s of the last century.
      Ukrainian development in the 80s of the last century ?????? Then there was no such country as Ukraine ...

      The USSR was a rich republic with space, shipbuilding, tank building, etc. industry and high technology that were built by the entire Soviet people .. And where is all this now tse neuropa ..? Ugh damn it’s not even funny ..
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        Quote: Mabius
        Ugh damn it’s not even funny ..

        For that they now have gay parades lol
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          Quote: major147
          Quote: Mabius
          Ugh damn it’s not even funny ..

          For that they now have gay parades lol

          Yes, to hell with gay men and other goat security .. For what all destroyed, which they built and created the whole Union?
          Even in the RSFSR, these high-tech enterprises were not ..
          That's what is scary and insulting and we are still to blame .. Litter pancake negative
    2. LeonidL April 29 2020 19: 17 New
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      Of course it wasn’t !!!! But try to drag this Svidomo Ukrainians - that peas against the wall, even if the count on the head is comic, but it will jump and scream your own!
      1. Mabius April 29 2020 20: 25 New
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        Quote: LeonidL
        Of course it wasn’t !!!! But try to drag this Svidomo Ukrainians - that peas against the wall, even if the count on the head is comic, but it will jump and scream your own!

        Well, not everyone, many understand everything, but they’re used to sticking to tactics “My hut from the edge, I don’t know anything ..” And they’re just afraid, Bandera .. Before SMERSH defended them and cleaned them up .. And after the collapse of the USSR, everyone .. got out from chrones and from abroad advisers came in large numbers .. They all destroyed and again “Walk the Field” ..
        But we do not give up ..
  12. Avior April 29 2020 16: 41 New
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    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Объект_477
    She did not understand what and how. smile
    but these are not unnamed Ukrainian experts said
  13. Onotollah April 29 2020 16: 44 New
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    "Ukrainian experts" it seems to me it sounds a little funny, do you think?
    1. Mabius April 29 2020 16: 56 New
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      Quote: Onotolle
      "Ukrainian experts" it seems to me it sounds a little funny, do you think?

      Now their “main experts” are Westerners (former goat security and gastrobaytera) ... angry
      1. Crane April 29 2020 19: 17 New
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        But no! Do not call the rogue offensive words! :)
    2. Fat
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      I do not think that is funny. One was hurt, Soviet ... And how does this "sound"? ...
      Something like this: "We would have done better, but the USSR Ministry of Defense did not allocate more funds for research and development" ....
      1. Albert1988 April 29 2020 18: 51 New
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        Quote: Thick
        Something like this: "We would have done better, but the USSR Ministry of Defense did not allocate more funds for research and development" ....

        It was something like this - the Kharkovites began to make something very tricky with their boxer hammers, that the USSR Ministry of Defense switched to a more promising project - "Improvement 88", but the USSR, alas, rested ... Nevertheless, the fate of the projects is indicative - the hammer boxer-note and rotted in Ukraine, but from Perfection 88, object 195 first grew, and then Armata.
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          Quote: Albert1988
          Quote: Thick
          Something like this: "We would have done better, but the USSR Ministry of Defense did not allocate more funds for research and development" ....

          It was something like this - the Kharkovites began to make something very tricky with their boxer hammers, that the USSR Ministry of Defense switched to a more promising project - "Improvement 88", but the USSR, alas, rested ... Nevertheless, the fate of the projects is indicative - the hammer boxer-note and rotted in Ukraine, but from Perfection 88, object 195 first grew, and then Armata.

          YES! You are right, the Armata project is one of the "surviving" promising ones, well ... at least it got to the hardware ...
          1. Albert1988 April 29 2020 20: 34 New
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            project "Armata" - one of the "surviving" promising

            Rather, a direct descendant of one of the survivors)))
            In general, I am surprised at the resilience of our specialist tank builders - the first 2 prototypes of the 195 object (called the T-95 from the Israeli press) were embodied in metal in the early 2000s! Literally after the worst crisis!
    3. Range April 29 2020 18: 17 New
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      Quote: Onotolle
      "Ukrainian experts" seems to me ...


      This is worse than the "British scientists" will be. yes
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        Quote: Spectrum
        Quote: Onotolle
        "Ukrainian experts" seems to me ...


        This is worse than the "British scientists" will be. yes

        No one will ever re-establish British scientists by definition. request wassat
  14. Gennady Fomkin April 29 2020 16: 49 New
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    According to statements by Western journalists, the T-14 Armata was copied from an American-German project called MBT-70, aka KPz-70. The media claim that the tank has external similarities and a similar layout scheme, while nobody cares that the MBT-70 began to be developed in 1960, after receiving information about the promising T-64, and curtailed the project in 1968 because of the large prices and disagreements between the USA and Germany. Further work was divided, and from the year 70, the United States worked to reduce the cost by calling the prototype XM803, but without Germany. There are also significant layout differences ... MBT-70, aka KPz-70 and XM803 had three tankers, like Armata, but all crew members were in the tower, not in the hull! This was carried out by means of an individual driver capsule, stabilized in a horizontal plane. And now a question for you, where is the crew of “Almaty”? laughing Ukrainians are late.
    1. boris epstein April 29 2020 17: 24 New
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      Victory always has a lot of fathers, and defeat is always an orphan. Whoever does not want to cram into the fathers of “Almaty”!
    2. Fat
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      According to statements by Western journalists, the T-14 Armata was copied from an American-German project called MBT-70, aka KPz-70. The media claim that the tank has external similarities and a similar layout scheme, while nobody cares that the MBT-70 began to be developed in 1960, after receiving information about the promising T-64, and curtailed the project in 1968 because of the large prices and disagreements between the USA and Germany. Further work was divided, and from the year 70, the United States worked to reduce the cost by calling the prototype XM803, but without Germany. There are also significant layout differences ... MBT-70, aka KPz-70 and XM803 had three tankers, like Armata, but all crew members were in the tower, not in the hull! This was carried out by means of an individual driver capsule, stabilized in a horizontal plane. And now a question for you, where is the crew of “Almaty”? laughing Ukrainians are late.

      Genadiy! all this is very superficial ... An automatic loader and a remote firing point (turret) This is not uncommon even at the end of the Second World War. About the US atomic tanks, the article was a couple of days ago. And ..
      "And now the question ..." ... Duc the old card for your SHOW you have ... the more so since you and the "older" info have been stolen ....)))
    3. Bad_gr April 30 2020 09: 40 New
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      MBT-70, aka KPz-70


  15. Jarserge April 29 2020 16: 52 New
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    The idiocy of "Svidomo" power rolls over .....
  16. Pvi1206 April 29 2020 16: 57 New
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    And why is there no such tank in / in Ukraine? ... After all, it was Ukraine that dug up the Black Sea ... this is known all over the world ...
  17. Bolo April 29 2020 17: 05 New
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    And they dug up the Black Sea ...
  18. Retvizan 8 April 29 2020 17: 05 New
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    Yes, forget you rabid, the words "Ukrainian", in the accessories of everything that was developed or produced before the nineties.
    Soviet is-SOVIET !!!
  19. boris epstein April 29 2020 17: 07 New
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    "According to them, Russia began the development of" Almaty "in the 2000s, when oil prices allowed Russian specialists to gain access to foreign technologies, without which Russia supposedly could not create a modern tank on its own."
    With the same success, the brainchild of Morozov T-64 can not be called a Ukrainian tank. Track rollers from Kurgan, PKT from Izhevsk, KPVT from Kovrov, a gun from Voronezh, electronics from Zelenograd, optics from Lomonosov. Yours is just a horizontally opposed diesel engine that has not been brought to mind until now.
  20. Bolo April 29 2020 17: 07 New
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    - Where do we have the Ukrainian designer of aromas?
    “In the sixth chamber, next to Napoleon and the leader of the Sumerians.”
  21. Retvizan 8 April 29 2020 17: 10 New
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    ... "All that the Russian military-industrial complex has achieved within 10-15 years under the Armata project is to master huge funds" ...
    Well, they got their hackneyed record, about the Crimean bridge they bleated too.))))
  22. cherkas.oe April 29 2020 17: 12 New
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    Lord, what is there to discuss? If Jesus Christ himself is Ukrainian, is it really that some kind of “Armata” is purely Russian? You don’t even have to spend time discussing this axiom.
  23. igrok2570 April 29 2020 17: 28 New
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    If these guys dug up the Black Sea, then they could not talk about the tank. We ourselves guessed
  24. Izotovp April 29 2020 17: 32 New
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    So soon they will compete with China who invented what and who has the coolest thing.
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      Come know, look in the future they will begin to claim that Zaporizhzhya Cossacks invented gunpowder laughing ... and the Chinese copied it from them laughing !
  25. gabonskijfront April 29 2020 17: 32 New
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    Ukromentalism is an eerie combination of Ukrainian great-power chauvinism and peripheral rural nationalism.
    1. Crimean blogger April 29 2020 18: 04 New
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      belligerent racism, xenophobia in relation to "foreign" national and social groups, great-power Ukrainian chauvinism, turning into genocide, rural nationalism. This is FASCISM.
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  27. Tycoon April 29 2020 17: 53 New
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    Dear author, when you write such posts, give direct links to the publication ..... Otherwise, you can translate the text into Russian in different ways .....
  28. Serwid April 29 2020 17: 56 New
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    Even if it was in fact, what does modern Ukraine have to do with it? It was the USSR.
  29. Crimean blogger April 29 2020 18: 00 New
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    Damask steel or stronghold or whatever they call their encephal or or t-84 supposedly the coolest tank in fact, the T-80, which was produced exclusively in Leningrad at the Kirov Plant. There are a lot of T-80 in storage depots, they take the hull from t-80, they put a tower from the t-64 and it turns out the newest Ukrainian tank t-84 !!!!!! And they built all the time one (1) such a tank and everywhere they boast that this is their development. No one doubts that they guessed so and collected from two one. But what does Ukraine and Armata have to do with it? There is not a single spare part produced in Ukraine.
    1. Albert1988 April 29 2020 18: 56 New
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      Quote: Crimean blogger
      , they take the hull from the t-80, put the turret from the t-64 and it turns out the latest Ukrainian tank t-84 !!!!!!

      Well, why - at the first 10 T-84s the tower had a native T-80-vskaya, only with a “new” body kit. but for the T-84 Oplot-M they lobbied as much as a welded tower in the manner of the T-90 ... True, the quality is unknown ...
      Well, for themselves, they built 1 tank, but for Thailand - as many as 49 already! But the truth then, most likely, the whole T-80UD ended ...
  30. Magnat231 April 29 2020 18: 09 New
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    Yes, this is a diagnosis, and do not say that these are separate specimens, there the whole country has gone from coils
  31. cniza April 29 2020 18: 16 New
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    The active use of Western components allowed Russian designers from Uralvagonzavod to draw Armata on top of the drawings of the Kharkov Hammer


    Funny, and what they did themselves:

    1. Sky strike fighter April 29 2020 18: 26 New
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      That's bad luck. Turchinov was also "built" in the USSR. what Will have to break too. request
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        It’s hard for them to explain.

  32. Andre April 29 2020 18: 43 New
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    Let them do it. We will see.
  33. DEVIL LIFE`S April 29 2020 19: 09 New
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    For this to be truly Ukrainian, you need to live in the looking glass.
  34. LeonidL April 29 2020 19: 10 New
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    Well, what other “new things” can be expected from a collective insane asylum? Thank you, but the newcomers about the "birthright" of the Mova, about the construction of pyramids and digging of the Black Sea have already forgotten.
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    What are you going to do with these Sumerians. In general, everything was invented everywhere. Unless the Armenians can compete.
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  36. MA3UTA April 29 2020 19: 23 New
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    It is not a Russian development, but is of Ukrainian origin


    The case when both sides are not quite right.


    Soviet BTVT designers cannot have national origin of technology
  37. Vdi73 April 29 2020 19: 26 New
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    You can’t argue with the diggers of the seas.
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    Well. And I was minuscified for mentioning this yesterday. wassat
  39. Kerensky April 29 2020 20: 09 New
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    Oh run into!
    Everyone knows that the first in space was the Bracket. And they sent him there Kulman, Whatman, Compass and Reisfeder.
    Mila Rengen and Izzy Top are also known. How will they get out.
  40. Astra wild April 29 2020 20: 41 New
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    "only the implementation of the sunset project of the USSR" which they relate to
    THE USSR?
    Yes, in the Soviet Union there were many different developments and some projects are being implemented now. But to claim rights: they created it. Then the tsar was also involved in outer space: Tsialkovsky, even under the tsar, wrote works on flight into space
  41. Astra wild April 29 2020 20: 44 New
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    Quote: Mabius
    Quote: Onotolle
    "Ukrainian experts" it seems to me it sounds a little funny, do you think?

    Now their “main experts” are Westerners (former goat security and gastrobaytera) ... angry

    Why ex? They may take offense and a poster.
  42. Furious bambr April 29 2020 21: 14 New
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    Kharkov - I believe. And where is Usraina?
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    Ukraine itself screamed that the tank was crap, and now that their origin is still their
  44. Alexey Kurtov April 29 2020 22: 02 New
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    So, can Ukraine start producing Armata?
  45. Sergey Balashov April 29 2020 22: 10 New
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    And what about the tanks in Kharkov itself? ONE tank in 10 years?
  46. Hermit21 April 29 2020 22: 57 New
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    Is this the "Hammer" that is fundamentally different from object 148? Or is there some other?
  47. Alexander 2511 April 30 2020 00: 22 New
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    No jokes, but seriously, the Hammer is probably really the FIRST REAL PROTOTYPE in metal, the new and most promising concept of a modern tank.
    This is the Kharkov Design Bureau, which created the T 34, and laid the foundation for the concept of the main tank, from which the Uralvagonzavod was formed - the Evacuated Kharkov Locomotive Plant ... The Kharkov Tank Engineering School is one of the best in the world, modestly speaking. It seems that the concept of the future standard of world tank building was really born here ... The political noise around the topic makes it difficult to understand everything objectively ... It is clear that in the 80s such developments were the fruit of the USSR as a whole. YES and bring a promising concept to mind - a huge job.
    1. Hermit21 April 30 2020 06: 52 New
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      Not the first, not new and not the most promising. The layout of the family of objects 477 had nothing to do with the object 148 and led its family tree from the object 450
      1. Alexander 2511 April 30 2020 15: 21 New
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        The concept of a promising new generation tank was first implemented precisely in O 477 .. Most likely this concept was developed precisely by Morozov in the Malyshev Design Bureau. At least, such a conclusion can be drawn from the available information on these projects. All other implemented developments of this arrangement are later.
        Work on О 477 was conducted at a time when competition was between the design bureau of one state and not between countries. Because the primacy of one of two separate today, the state. - already an extra policy
        1. Hermit21 April 30 2020 18: 32 New
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          The concept of a promising new generation tank was first implemented precisely in O 477

          Why not 450? Not 490? Not 299? Not 195?
          All other implemented developments of this arrangement are later


          What are these? laughing
          1. Alexander 2511 April 30 2020 22: 07 New
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            - ALL of those that you listed, either later developments as 195, or authorship of the same Morozov as 450. laughing
            Actually, if you have some secret information still unknown to anyone - make it public, everyone will be interested lol
            1. Hermit21 April 30 2020 23: 26 New
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              or authorship of the same Morozov as 450

              No difference. I have listed projects which, to one degree or another, can also be considered a “new generation tank”. Moreover, 299 and 195 deserve this title much more, because T-14 grew out of 195 and learned something from St. Petersburg. But the layout of the 477th family with two hefty drums with 152 mm in the fighting compartment was no one needed
              1. Alexander 2511 1 May 2020 00: 39 New
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                The question is not T14. - this is the same project as everyone else, just more elaborated. It’s not yet in service and will still evolve. But the Armat project is developing precisely in the concept that was proposed in the 80s at Morozov Design Bureau. And 152 mm wasn’t “needed by anyone”, but just the time has not come yet laughing! Designed further than today advanced. The main elements are a seven-track base, an uninhabited tower for a larger caliber, a close internal layout. It appeared in O477 and was developed by Morozov since 1967. The rest of the developments you mentioned are later and used the already done. My opinion is that Morozov’s design bureau was the progenitors of the modern concept of the new generation of the main tank, which has been maximally implemented in T14 today.
                I have not seen convincing arguments refuting this in your posts. But everyone has the right to their opinion.
                1. Hermit21 1 May 2020 07: 39 New
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                  But the Armat project is developing precisely in the concept that was proposed in the 80s at Morozov Design Bureau.

                  The main elements are a seven-pack base, an uninhabited tower for a larger caliber, a close internal layout. It appeared in O477 and was developed by Morozov since 1967.

                  Neither the number of rollers, nor the caliber of the gun, is related to the innovativeness of the tank. The layout of the Morozov projects has nothing to do with 148. The 148 has a clear division into a command and control unit, isolated from ammunition and fuel and lubricants, where all three crew members are located, a full-fledged uninhabited warhead and a motor-transmission aft. 477 has a control compartment, where the mechanic’s driver is sitting, a fighting compartment, where CT and gunner and MTO are surrounded by shells. Where is the resemblance here? What layout decisions did the creators of vol. 148? The fact that new tanks would require a larger caliber and more rinks was obvious without Morozov. The tower, by the way, at 477 is not uninhabited, but low-profile. The crew was still in the tower module, only below the shoulder strap of the tower. The KHKBM tried to make a full-fledged weaponry, but failed.
                  And 152 mm wasn’t "needed by anyone" And just the time has not yet come laughing!

                  I talked about 152-mm shells in drums on the sides of CT and BUT, which is not close at 148.
                  The question is not in T14. - this is the same project as everyone else, just more refined

                  The most modified of all. By readiness only 195 can be compared with him.
                  1. Alexander 2511 1 May 2020 15: 18 New
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                    A crew member sits a little higher or a little to the left - does not change the essence of the concept, there are 3 of them and everything in the hull, the tower is uninhabited. They "tried to do" precisely because it provided for a DEVELOPED PROJECT! laughing The need for a larger caliber is also not obvious - Armata did not need it - as we see. Differences in design were not distinction of concepts. Armata is made exactly in the concept that Morozov developed. Well, what is obvious to you TODAY that was not obvious to Morozov 50 years ago is not surprising laughing
                    195 is a much later version - it is clear that all the earlier developments were used - it does not pull on the ancestor of tanks of a new generation.
                    1. Hermit21 1 May 2020 18: 43 New
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                      In Morozov’s projects, the tower is just inhabited. The fact that the 477 crew was below the shoulder strap does not make the tower uninhabited
                      A crew member sits a little higher or a little to the left - does not change the essence of the concept

                      It changes. The layout of Mr. Morozoff was not needed by anyone. 148 is a development of 299 and, in particular, 195.
                      They "tried to do" precisely because it provided for a DEVELOPED PROJECT!

                      How many capsules do not write, and the tower module 477 from this will not cease to be inhabited.
                      Differences in design were not distinction of concepts.

                      Is an.
                      Armata is made exactly in the concept that Morozov developed

                      Nothing in common except membership in a new generation. The concrete implementation of Kharkiv projects has not been continued anywhere.
                      1. Alexander 2511 1 May 2020 21: 46 New
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                        We look at the layout of the T 14 - monitors. About 477 the same gun monitor. So both tanks in the same layout laughing first applied by Morozov to the main tank. ALL THE OTHER SERIES WERE A CLASSIC LINK. FOR THE FIRST TIME the crew was below the shoulder strap - at least it was planned ... Morozov was really an innovator in tank building and the LARGEST TANK DESIGNER IN THE WORLD from the second half of the 20th century. What he annoyed you with is not clear - but it doesn’t matter and is actually ridiculous laughing
                        I will advise you to read the history of the creation of O477 where it says in plain text that this project was considered precisely as the BASIC PROSPECTIVE TANK and was personally supervised by the Ministry of Defense. Like the T34 of the same KB at one time. The USSR did not fall apart this project and would be implemented 100% But ...
                        And Armata is today's leader in tank building, having absorbed all the earlier achievements in a new round of those. development. But at the heart of it is precisely the concept and layout of Morozov. Such pies laughing
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                        We look at the layout of the T 14 - monitors. About 477 the same gun

                        477 doesn’t have a gun. The gun and ammunition are not isolated from the crew. Moreover, it was still located in the tower module, and its location below the tower shoulder strap does not make it uninhabited.
                        So both tanks in the same layout scheme laughing

                        148:
                        The entire crew is in a compartment isolated from ammunition and fuel and lubricants in the bow of the hull;
                        The fighting compartment is completely uninhabited.
                        477:
                        In the front of the case there is only a mechanical drive. CT and BUT are still sitting in the tower module surrounded by shells.
                        Well, yes, one and the same.
                        first applied by Morozov to the main tank

                        The first truly carriage layout was implemented by the Britons in COMRES 75.
                        Morozov was truly an innovator in tank building and the LARGEST TANK DESIGNER IN THE WORLD from the second half of the 20th century.

                        Of the three T-64 / -72 / -80, it was precisely 64 that was the weakest in the aggregate of characteristics. The layout ideas for the new generation tank have not taken root anywhere. Love of fantasy in isolation from the real possibilities of technology and industry. Does not pull on the best tank designer.
                        This project was considered precisely as the BASIC PROSPECTIVE TANK and was personally supervised by the Ministry of Defense

                        Like Perfection 88. Only now S-88 led to the creation of 187, 195 and, of course, 148. What did the creation of 477 lead to? To nothing. His layout, which differed from the current generation, in fact, only the location of the crew below the shoulder of the tower module was no one needed.
                        The USSR did not fall apart this project and would be implemented 100%

                        Tagil’s hands, who tried to somehow fix what Gayny Morozoff did.
                        But at the heart of it is precisely the concept and layout of Morozov

                        A stretch concept. Layout from about. 195
                      3. Clerk 2 May 2020 11: 25 New
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                        Like Perfection 88. Only now S-88 led to the creation of 187, 195 and, of course, 148

                        Object 148 (T-14) is a development of the Priority-99 and Object 299 projects. These are parallel and different projects with S-88 and T-95.
  • Roman123567 April 30 2020 08: 48 New
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    The political noise around the topic makes it difficult to understand everything objectively ...


    Well, it didn’t bother you ..
    And the rest at the word Kharkov immediately burns ..
    Although, a good Russian city seems to be .. one must be proud that there 30 years already engaged in similar things ..
    1. Alexander 2511 April 30 2020 15: 33 New
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      Well, the situation ..))). A military theme, you can understand, in general. But an objective look at the issue of the birth of a new concept of a modern tank is necessary.
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    This is the Kharkov Design Bureau that created the T 34, and laid the foundation for the concept of the main tank, from which the Uralvagonzavod was formed -

    Then I must say that the designer of the tank was a Russian engineer who was born in the Vladimir province near Pereslavl-Zalessky (now Yaroslavl region) in 1898. His name is Mikhail Ilyich Koshkin.
    1. Alexander 2511 April 30 2020 17: 32 New
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      - And there is. And Morozov was born near Bryansk, but with 15 years. worked at KhPZ having gone from a copyist of drawings to 2 heroes of Socialist. Labor and laureate of the Lenin and Stalin Prizes. I do not think that these are “innate results”))) The third designer of the T 3 was Kucherenko from near Lozova.))) The creator of the lunar rover ... By the way, M. Koshkin was not necessarily purely Russian by nationality. So it is obvious that the successes of the USSR-were a GENERAL merit of all nationalities.
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    He was probably dug up when they dug the Black Sea.
  • Horn April 30 2020 07: 46 New
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    Well, yes, in childhood Armata was Armatko ...
  • Roman123567 April 30 2020 08: 45 New
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    However, this project was completed at the stage of testing the first running layout. Perestroika and the collapse of the USSR buried him.


    That's how interesting the world is in some people’s minds ..

    Let's say an article about RN Energy and Buran ..
    In the comments of regret, snot, admiration ..
    And then there was the hope that someone would revive the projects, that the money spent on this, and all those RELEASES were not in vain .. Something else was stored somewhere else and drawings. and technology is not lost, and experience is not forgotten .. Actually, I myself would like to hope for it ..

    But the fact that Russia took into account the Soviet experience in operating time and designing a tank with an uninhabited tower - for some reason everyone immediately doubts ..
    Although I would have trusted the Soviet engineers and designers no less than the current ..