Finalists of the contest "Abakan"

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Automatic machine AN94, better known by the people as "Abakan", is weapons quite controversial, since along with the high combat characteristics of this machine there are also negative aspects. For example, in the form of a more complex procedure of maintenance and repair, in comparison with Kalashnikov assault rifles, as well as less stable operation in adverse conditions. The Nikonov machine gun itself is already a relatively old weapon, but, nevertheless, still interesting, but we will not talk exclusively about this model, quite a lot has already been said about it, but we will try to compare it with those samples that have he snatched victory in the final of the Abakan contest in 1987. In particular, we will discuss the Korobov G.A. (TKB-0111) automata, the Stechkin I. I machine (TKB-0146) and, of course, the Nikonov G. N. automaton (AS, ASM, AN94).

Finalists of the contest "Abakan"Let's start with the machine gun of German Alexandrovich Korobov, who, in my personal humble opinion, is one of the best domestic gunsmiths. Immediately explain why this model is the first. The fact is that TKB-0111 is completely different from the finalists. First of all, the machine does not have a cutoff on 2 or 3 shots, while TKB-0146 can shoot with a cutoff on 3 (2) of the cartridge, and AH-94 on 2. Both machine guns, both Stechkin and Nikonov, have a movable weapon barrel design, which allows you to sum up the return on 3 (2) and 2 shots and reduce its impact on shooting accuracy, but the Korobov machine gun has a more than classical design, but it has two reference rates fire about 500 shots per minute and about 1700. What is it for and what does it give? First of all, it should be noted that this is not the first German Alexandrovich machine gun with two firing rates, in the previous competition, in which Kalashnikov won again, a sample with a two-mode shooting regime was also presented. German Alexandrovich carried out work, the purpose of which was to calculate the optimal rate of automatic firing from different positions of the shooter. The result of this work formed the basis for the creation of a machine gun with two firing rates. So from the prone position, the pace in 450-600 shots per minute was the optimal tempo, and from uncomfortable positions the tempo in 1700-2000 shots per minute. Thus, the weapon represented by Korobov was superior to AK74 and all its modifications in accuracy of fire, provided, of course, that the required rate of fire was used in a given situation. However, Nikonov and Stechkin’s TKB-0111 could not withstand the accuracy of shooting with submachine guns. For this reason, he reached the final of the contest with the note “optional”, which in itself put a cross on arms and to be honest, there were only two finalists - TKB-0146 and AN94.

TKB-0146 was a machine with a movable barrel design, but in one stroke of the barrel back the machine produced the 3 cartridge, not the 2, unlike AN94. The stocky silhouette of the weapon got him because of the use of the bullpup layout, and in general the size and weight of the weapon is less than that of the other models. By the way, in the competition only this machine was not a classic layout. Immediately you can foresee the thoughts of supporters of the "classics" about the inconvenience of the machine. However, all the inconvenience lies only in the unusual location of the store, to which it is easy to adapt, and the close distance between the ejected gun sleeve and the face of the shooter. Last Stechkin decided simply and without technical bells and whistles, he just made a forced ejection of the sleeve forward. The extracted cartridge case is not ejected, but is transmitted to the channel parallel to the receiver, while the slide, when moving forward, not only delivers the new cartridge, but also pushes the cartridge case through the channel. In other words, Stechkin managed to get rid of the main weapon problem in the layout of the bullpup and, moreover, to solve the problem of using the machine gun when shooting with his left hand, which is necessary not only for left-handers. It is also noteworthy that the Stechkin machine gun has a fuse / fire mode switch with only three positions. So they are represented by the positions "Fuse", "Trim", "Single / turn". The most interesting is naturally the last position of the switch. Stechkin decided to save the fighter from the need to switch weapons from one mode to another, and the solution to this task turned out to be easier than ever. If you look closely, then behind the trigger you can see a protruding moving part, with which the trigger interacts when fully pressed. Thus, if you press the "trigger" to half, a single shot will occur, if you press the trigger all the way in, the weapon will fire in a burst. It should also be noted that in the latest version of the Stechkin machine gun the mode of firing with a cutoff of three rounds was changed to two rounds. Thus, we can conclude that the Stechkin machine gun combines a lot of fairly interesting design solutions, which by their simplicity and reliability simply amaze and at the same time solve a lot of weapon problems over which other gunsmiths fought for a long time.

And finally, Nikonov's rifle. Describing the features of this weapon does not make sense, since it will be a repetition of well-known moments, but how this automaton changed on the way to victory can be told. Perhaps the most interesting point is that the first sample of this weapon was presented not only with a movable barrel, but also with a movable magazine. They even say that the idea of ​​a moving trunk Nikonov peeped at Stechkin, but this is true or not, it is difficult to say. But it is safe to say that such a bold design of the machine, in which the store moves when fired, clearly could not be among the finalists of the Abakan contest. In general, during this competition, Nikonov's automaton has undergone changes even more than all models of weapons taken together, which is undoubtedly worthy of praise, since not every design can withstand the changes made to it and not suffer a deterioration in reliability and performance. Although speaking according to conscience, it is enough just to disassemble the machine in order to understand that they stuffed everything into it that was possible. Even the Stechkin machine, which is close by its construction, cannot compete with AN94 in terms of service complexity.

In general, it should be noted separately that it was precisely the operational change of individual units of the weapon of the Nikonov machine gun that became the guarantee of his victory in the competition. In general, at the start of the Abakan competition, all the models presented were quite raw, so any of them could become a finalist if the designers had the opportunity to quickly modify the weapon. A bright confirmation of this can be AEK machines, which never reached the final. If you call the reasons why two of the three finalists were overboard, then you can look at the situation from different angles. For example, the Korobov machine gun was much simpler in its design of Stechkin and Nikonov, its only drawback was the lack of cut-off on the 2-3 cartridge, naturally a disadvantage in comparison with rivals. On the whole, the weapons showed very good results in terms of reliability under adverse conditions and in terms of resources. There were also less significant problems that could be easily fixed, such as the not so convenient arrangement of the switch of fire modes, which could only be reached by releasing the handle of the machine gun. The Stechkin machine gun had its own "illnesses". Despite the original and simple solutions to individual problems, this machine was very capricious in terms of cleanliness, and if the automation was wedged, then it took a lot of time and effort to bring the weapon to life. The solution to this problem was, but the durability and accuracy of the weapon would suffer from it. Against the background of these models, the instantaneously evolving AN94 looked much better in all respects, however, as is well known, this did not help it to become the main weapon in the army. Although there are more likely causes of a financial nature, and the weapon is not to blame for anything, but this is already a separate topic for conversation.
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  1. vylvyn
    +19
    30 July 2012 08: 36
    And before, I knew, and after the article I became even more convinced that really worthy AK replacement yet. Everything that appears becomes only more expensive, more complicated and more sophisticated. Glory to Kalashnikov!
    1. borisst64
      +15
      30 July 2012 11: 02
      Familiar position. Pensioners always praise GAZ for one and a half for simplicity and the possibility of repairs in the field (for them, electronic ignition is dark woods), however, we drive modern cars, we develop a little!
      1. +10
        30 July 2012 18: 49
        More about berets would be remembered. And in my opinion, fools canceled kirzachi with footcloths for soldiers. And in vain they took up arms.
      2. Sober
        +7
        30 July 2012 19: 35
        borisst64simplicity is super, but you need to have high-tech. because simplicity doesn’t save in all cases, you need to have 25% of high-tech features)))
      3. vylvyn
        +6
        31 July 2012 03: 15
        Familiar position of the young. Youthful maximalism and nihilism, so to speak. For cars with electronic ignition, please ride. Only go to the field less often, it’s not a lorry, you won’t fix it in the field, you will have to drag the tow truck to the service station. I’m about to exchange mine with electronic ignition for a hybrid (I love everything new and high-tech). I’m looking at the new Land Rover so that it’s on asphalt, and on the field, and on the hills, and ford. But really worthy replacement AK anyway in Russia yet. Unfortunately, electronic ignition and weapons are two different operas. By the way, do you have a car with electronic ignition from a manufacturer that is not imported by accident? Of course, import will be better than one and a half - here I completely agree with you, but only when it is on the asphalt and around a lot of service stations. I don’t put any pluses or minuses. Just chatted so to speak.
    2. -7
      30 July 2012 12: 43
      And how then does Europe live without AK? Kalash is the best assault rifle in the world ?! Then why haven't all the countries of the world armed themselves with them? It's just that we do everything through the ass, because you can go along the path of increasing the accuracy of fire, by tighter fitting of parts, as in all European rifles, but ours want to reinvent the bicycle, in a system where everything has long been invented. In my opinion, "A-91" is a good model, its modification under 5.45mm could well become the main weapon of contract soldiers, but the state demands a revolution in the genre, for minimal funds, so they get kaku instead of chocolate. The weapons of the Kalashnikov system have their pluses, but in modern warfare, these pluses are not of serious importance, but the minuses of the system have tipped the scales towards the minus. The same Poles and Czechs, they have Kalash, but they are buying new weapons, the Czechs even made their own assault rifle and are armed with it. Kalash is good, but not for us, we need a quality product that meets the requirements of modern warfare. fellow
      1. Jeka
        +20
        30 July 2012 14: 03
        Quote: StrategBV
        And then, how does Europe live without AK? Kalash is the best automatic machine in the world ?!

        A lot of European weapons are based on the AK scheme, as an example the Swiss SIG SG-540 and its further development SIG SG-550, there are also several European models. This shows that the AK circuit is good enough and I think it will be used in future developments.
        1. +9
          30 July 2012 15: 06
          Belgium - FN FNC and FN SCAR assault rifles also use a gas engine device and a bolt group borrowed from a Kalashnikov assault rifle, however, a number of technological and structural changes have been made to the design, which have simplified both the production and maintenance of weapons.
        2. +7
          30 July 2012 22: 48
          I talked about modern samples: ACR, G36, Beretta ARX-160, Vektor CR-21 and others. Modern weapons should not shoot with sand inside, they should have minimal impact, excellent ergonomics and have high penetration and ballistic qualities of the cartridge used. About a high degree of modularity, I generally am silent. Kalash is good in that it tolerates a barbaric attitude towards itself, plus, it can be used by any troglad, capable of overpowering a weapon, such as a bow. Conscripts have their own machine gun, this is exactly the AK-74, AKM (and the entire similar lineup). But the special forces and the professional military need something like ACR, only of our production. Ideally, it could be the AK-12, but that's ideal. fellow
          1. +2
            30 July 2012 23: 54
            generally agree +
            for militia and pros different machines is a topic for conversation
            given the specifics of the ongoing changes in the sun
            you need to take a calculator and .... the only problem may be the lack of a clear doctrine
            1. 0
              4 August 2012 01: 30
              for militia and pros different machines is a topic for conversation

              To be honest, the Russian will deal with any barrel, the main thing is that there is an instruction (user manual) ...
          2. Fox
            +1
            31 July 2012 10: 36
            not Serdyukov’s brother, by any chance? ...
          3. survivor
            +6
            31 July 2012 10: 47
            You correctly noticed the special forces and the professional military. and about the sand, they don’t have time to put the parquet on the battlefield ...... a battle, such a thing, where simplicity and reliability are appreciated along with accuracy and accuracy !!! which is what American fighters appreciate in Iraq. Afghanistan. what was appreciated in Vietnam.
            1. s1н7т
              +1
              31 July 2012 21: 55
              And what is so special that special forces need? They should fire point-blank, quietly and rarely. For this they have everything. The question, as I understand it, is about mass weapons. But here the trick is that there is no "order" for it - there is no doctrine that defines any new requirements for a mass machine. In this situation, the best is Kalashnikov, definitely!))) By the way, the Belarusians have gone further, offering him light bipods and diopters / optics. This is the right move - without changing anything, the quality of exploitation by "conscripts" in the infantry is increasing. And the specialists will not refuse, probably. Although I still do not see a worthy replacement for my beloved AMSN2.
          4. s1н7т
            +2
            31 July 2012 21: 46
            But I did not see anything radical in the AK-12. Waste of money, in my opinion.
          5. Municipality
            0
            31 July 2012 23: 31
            professional military on the tiled floor fighting? for them, the reliability of weapons is the tenth thing? I wouldn’t think
          6. Korvin
            0
            4 August 2012 18: 17
            Khe-khem. Actually, the Vector CP-21 inside the Kalashnikov in its purest form))))
        3. survivor
          +3
          31 July 2012 10: 42
          and the Israeli Kalashnikov-based automatic rifle.
          1. Municipality
            0
            31 July 2012 23: 33
            and indian too
      2. ZKBM-BUT
        +11
        30 July 2012 14: 41
        Kalashnikov - this is cool, provides everything you need from a machine gun. and the most important thing is not afraid of dirt (a very necessary parameter in the conditions of hostilities). you put more optics on it and that’s all - the enemy is sideways. Of course there is a bunch of machines with some superior parameters. but only they are more likely for demonstrations than for war. Kalashnik simple and reliable, and even cheap. And these are the most important parameters. In what it is inferior to the others - a bit more recoil, a little direct shot less, a little less fire rate. but even all these pluses, taken together, are trifles - compared to the failure-free Kalashnik. Kalash has no real rivals. and the fact that other automatic machines are used in the world is more like a palette, emotions. than superiority over AK.
        1. Jeka
          +5
          30 July 2012 22: 50
          if you compare the AK-74 and M-16a2, a3 - then they are similar in characteristics, patrons also have similar characteristics, stress is very important, if a soldier is under great stress, any even the latest state-of-the-art machine will be ineffective, fighters must be prepared for the conditions battlefield on a par with conventional fire training.
        2. s1н7т
          0
          31 July 2012 22: 03
          Hm. I totally agree! But, in my opinion, the optics that we had on AKMSN2 allowed us to shoot day / night. And when shooting at 2 rounds of ammunition, there is almost absolutely no return. So I don’t see any problems at all. And also PBS can be used) Universal machine! It can be replaced only by something very radical, but so far it is not, apparently.
        3. Municipality
          0
          31 July 2012 23: 34
          as well as business
      3. +5
        30 July 2012 19: 09
        Jews, it seems, are not stupid people made their own "Galil" on the basis of Kalashnikov.
      4. GM.kz
        +10
        30 July 2012 20: 01
        And then, how does Europe live without AK? Kalash is the best automatic machine in the world ?! Then why did not all the countries of the world arm themselves with it?
        NATO troops in Iraq and Avgan. in the first place they received Kalash, since only this weapon works flawlessly in those conditions.
        And why should Europe arm ourselves with our weapons? From the point of view of safety and prestige, this is not logical!
      5. survivor
        +4
        31 July 2012 10: 41
        Do you think there are no Kalashnikovs in Europe? or in the same America? No one argues, Kalashnikov is inferior to many foreign counterparts in some parameters, but ...
        I wonder what weapons will be given to the militia? Kalashnikov. and why? Yes, because in our country either a child or an old man cannot shoot from Kalashnikov.
        Americans are constantly promoting their weapons. does it get better from this? not at all. Remember how we were imposed the opinion that EVERYTHING MADE IN RUSSIA IS SHIT! AUTOMATIC KALASHNIKOV, NOT EXCLUSION !!!
        and about the Czechs ... so their weapons have always been among the best on the world market. not for nothing that the fascists willingly armed themselves with captured Czech weapons!
        1. Protey
          +4
          31 July 2012 18: 53
          For almost 40 years I did not hold an assault rifle in my hands, but here I recently had a chance to pop at the range. And nothing - the store equipped it, shot short 2 rounds and damn well! So the "ancients" can too!
      6. Sleg
        +4
        31 July 2012 11: 52
        Sucks live, the same British, it seems, made a super duper cool rifle over the modern L85, it’s kind of like, but it turned out to be good for parades and films, and in the same Iraq and Afghanistan, they buy M4 from Yusovites, which works a bit longer, and gives less bounce.
        But the Czech Republic and Poland are rearmament with the AK because they are members of NATO and must bring their weapons in accordance with the general;) and therefore buy-buy and more time buy weapons from the USA, or less often from European countries that are members of NATO. Balts out there, 1 tank for three carry, to participate in parades.
        1. Protey
          +1
          31 July 2012 18: 57
          For export, Kalash also rivets under the NATO 5,56 standard cartridge.
      7. +1
        31 July 2012 22: 43
        In some ways, the Strategist is right, but far from everything. The modern war dictates its conditions and for this reason a high-quality product (weapons and not only) is required, but they can also be deeply modernized by AK.
      8. Municipality
        +1
        31 July 2012 23: 27
        requirements of modern warfare - please list
    3. Sober
      0
      30 July 2012 19: 30
      vylvyn,
      is)) just AK holds back all new developments !! you estimate all AK factories will need to be reconfigured to new products, this is a lot of dough, because many models simply do not work because of the cost, while others must be several times cooler than AK, and where you find it .. here you are and others .. released a little better, then the machine will be new, at least 20% of the main number! and ours are not .. expensive! it damn business! here we are sitting on junk! I do not say that AK is bad AK is not cheap and angry, but no more! why, for example, the Airborne Forces to disarm with new ones, and the infantry to leave Kalash, so no, figs there! 10 thousand of new machines is expensive and long .. because they sit and wait, almost a laser gun! take M16 it was modified 20 times .. and what we see, they made candy out of the gamma ... and ours went into a pancake, which does not please at all .. in fact we didn’t leave anywhere from 74! the same AEK awesome trunk, but where is it? maybe a couple of hundred and walks, AN94 also piece games ... well, each unit needs its own, and we all have the same thing and everyone .. and we win only in cheapness ... by the way, here’s a new Kalash, yes we’ve done, yes we’ve modified and sort of awesome, but where is he? will go into production in 2015? and by this time the enemy will make a new one, yeah we’re behind again ... and so on ... it was also with the tanks, the armature was well designed, which is very pleasing, and we would have sat with the T series, which, in fact, is outdated ..yes, it’s kind of the best tank, just because the others don’t really need them, but we don’t have much!
      1. 0
        30 July 2012 20: 52
        16 it was modified 20 times .. and what we see is made of candy from the hamna ..Sober, - are you about m4 ??? nude nude !!!!!!
        1. Korvin
          0
          4 August 2012 18: 25
          Apparently, SOKOMovets are switching from M4 to SCAR, Deltovtsy and Kotiki to NK416, and the Marines to IAR from great confectionery))))
      2. vylvyn
        +3
        31 July 2012 02: 48
        As for the candy from the M-16 (as I understand it means the M-4), here you can argue for a long time. All that we know about her is presented more by the advertising of the Americans. And again - the M-4 came to the Kalash scheme, and this is not the M-16, but the Kalash, remade in the American way. As for AEK and AN-94. They are far from saints. After real testing, they got so many flaws that far outweighed their merits (the point was not even that crazy production was needed for their refurbishment for their production). Therefore, it makes no sense to disarm the AK, because there is no real worthy replacement. And the meaning of something already change? Firearms will be replaced by a laser or something else in the nano style. But it will already be a pure Western development, based, incidentally, on graphene, which will put an end to the golden age of firearms. Until then, no one will climb Russia. Therefore, it makes no sense to spend money on the development of new gun barrels, it is necessary to develop a fundamentally new weapon based not on the principle of the operation of powder gases, but on other physical principles (from the category of nanotechnology).
        1. s1н7т
          +1
          31 July 2012 22: 19
          I agree by 75%!) But - no one demands to develop "new firearms". Today, we can only talk about a deep modernization of existing developments - a reduction in weight / dimensions, the use of any "gadgets" to increase the efficiency of use and simplify operation, etc. And the fundamentally new has not yet matured in laboratories and research institutes)))
      3. Protey
        +1
        31 July 2012 19: 05
        I don’t know what kind of candy they made, but they showed a movie about an American aircraft carrier in the military program, there, the Marine just jammed the M-16! Shooting was not in the desert, but in the ocean !!!
      4. s1н7т
        +1
        31 July 2012 22: 12
        "... why, for example, the Airborne Forces unarm with new ones" ...
        __________________________________________
        For what? How are the tasks of the airborne forces on the battlefield different from the infantry? Nothing at all!
        And what is the moral obsolescence of our tanks? In the army, the only moral is to complete the task. They are able to perform the tasks that the BUSV sets before the tanks. And for a certain "Armata", neither tactics nor tasks have been prescribed. And what will it do in the troops? For parades if only)))
  2. +15
    30 July 2012 09: 13
    It's a pity the Kovrovites were pushed. AEK-971/973 in my opinion are great cars.
    1. +6
      30 July 2012 10: 32
      I agree with the author of the second post of AEK the best machines, but they forgot about them ...
    2. +8
      30 July 2012 12: 47
      Excellent, but not without cons, the system is not reliable, the movable mechanisms, when heated, change their position and there is a delay in shooting. What a pity, I really liked the project. There remains hope for the semi-mythical AK-12 and the existing, but forgotten A-91. It is a pity that a balanced scheme is effective, but not reliable, and in battle it is dangerous. Kovrovets is good, but imperfect, but it's a pity the machine would be hellish fellow
      1. +2
        30 July 2012 13: 10
        What do you mean is not reliable? If the machine does not withstand the pouring of dirt and falling asleep into the barrel of sand, then it is not reliable? This is the wildest nonsense, it’s just that the government pity the money for normal automatic machines, why would a soldier in the trench have wild reliability if he couldn’t get in line with a distance of 300 meters? I need a middle ground, and here I really like the FN SCAR, do not forget, the AK is made for fools so that they can quickly learn how to assemble disassembling and cleaning the machine. AK-12, in my opinion, did not bring anything revolutionary, slightly increased the build quality and set the bars, that’s all, only commandos in their version will get balanced automation, the rest will be glad that the machine can not be cleaned, but look at the bars that remain empty, because there will be no mass use of collimators in our army, so there is no sense in these levels. The result of AK-12 Why can’t the same Abakan be finalized, the design itself and the idea are very interesting, and all because the gunsmiths of the old school are no longer there, Izhmash is controlled not by an engineer, but by a marketer and a businessman who has the task of making money and not inventing something.
        1. ZKBM-BUT
          +13
          30 July 2012 14: 54
          and you sat in the trenches then? Waking up in puddles? personally, my eyes saw, my experience showed me - war is dirt, dirt everywhere and everywhere. and she likes to climb into the trunk very much.
          1. +2
            30 July 2012 17: 07
            The reliability of the Belgian and German weapons is enough for this; in AK, there is a lot of it, you can donate a little for quality.
            1. s1н7т
              +1
              31 July 2012 22: 22
              I can’t imagine the task that I can perform with German weapons and cannot with ours at the same level of physical costs. Tell me?)
          2. 8 company
            +8
            31 July 2012 10: 19
            Quote: ZKBM-BUT
            personally, my eyes saw, my experience showed me - war is dirt, dirt everywhere and everywhere.


            I fully support: in a real, not a "parquet" war, the main thing for weapons is reliability. Therefore, the machine should be like this: pulled it out of the water (sand, mud), shook it off, blew it, spat and you shoot further.
            1. survivor
              +3
              31 July 2012 10: 53
              that’s why the three-rulers, SVT and so on, which seems to be an outdated, but quite functional and reliable weapon, are not utilized from the warehouses.
          3. Fox
            +4
            31 July 2012 10: 43
            big brother +! those who sat in the trenches and at checkpoints know what RELIABILITY is ... and those who DEFEATED can only print their "brilliant thoughts" ...
        2. Denzel13
          +2
          30 July 2012 16: 51
          Joker,
          the machine should just be reliable for the average user. Since if a fighter is friends with his head, then any weapon will work for him. And if he can’t get from 300 m (by the way, if you shoot not short at this distance, then you won’t really get anywhere and you’ll be left without a gun), then he is sure what is needed, because he and manages to break it. And who said that a soldier now sits mainly in a trench?
        3. +2
          30 July 2012 18: 38
          Is "pouring mud and filling up sand" a publicity stunt? These are customer requirements reflected in the relevant regulatory documents. These GOSTs indicate the composition of "dirt", the composition of "dust and sand" for testing, and how much is allowed when testing delays, etc.
        4. +3
          30 July 2012 22: 34
          You dear Joker are mistaken, ak74 avtamat quite apt, if the shooter is certainly not a deer. Imagine that a concrete building is collapsing, dust is unreasonable, a battle is going on, where will you go with a jammed machine gun? - right underground. The army needs reliability, both weapons and equipment, and people.
        5. +3
          30 July 2012 22: 36
          The AEK-971 has poor reliability, but not because of pollution, but because of heating. With intensive shooting, metal deformation occurs, tightly fitted parts of the machine gun do not fully go into place, some parts are loosened. In battle, fire goes on everyone, sometimes single, and sometimes with long, continuous fire, if, for example, you have to repulse enemy attacks in the city, and the failure of a weapon, albeit not long-term, but still failure, can cost a soldier his life. As Mikhail Kalashnikov said: "The Europeans fitted the parts so tightly that no sand gets there, and I made the machine so that the sand would spill out of it." fellow
      2. +1
        31 July 2012 21: 26
        Quote: StrategBV
        There is still hope for a semi-mythical AK-12

        Fragment of an interview with Vladimir Zlobin, chief designer of IZHMASH Concern OJSC
        ..........
        Host: How did you do it? How did you solve this eternal curse of the Kalashnikov assault rifle - low accuracy?
        Well, I will say in general terms. The dynamics of moving parts has changed significantly. Impacts of moving parts in extreme positions are reduced. Now, in fact, the machine works almost like a machine with balanced automation.
        A new muzzle brake has been developed for the machine. They say about him: "Very long, not beautiful." In fact, it turned out to be more effective at 20 percent of the existing one. This also made it possible to provide more comfortable firing from a machine gun, more stable. The return became 20 percent less.
        Host: Why didn’t you use the idea of ​​balanced automation?
        We are working on developing a machine with balanced automation. But for a combat model, it is unpromising. Why? I said that we, already with shock automation, reached the level of an automaton with balanced automation. I don’t feel the difference when shooting from an AK-12 assault rifle or from an assault rifle with balanced automation. After all, we have an AK-107. They are almost equivalent. And there is no point in complicating the design. Because a machine with balanced automation is much more complicated and incomparably more expensive. ......
        ...... Host: In another article, you said that the AK-12 is already superior to the American carbines in combat characteristics. When shooting in bursts and in single shooting. Is that true, right?
        The AK-74 surpasses foreign models, in particular the American ones, in automatic fire, in caliber 5. 45. The accuracy of the single fire, AK-12, with the barrels that we are currently manufacturing, is at least not inferior to the American rifle. According to this parameter there will be parity.
        Presenter: Is it possible to modernize the AK-74M, if we consider it a fourth-generation automatic before the “four plus” generation, and bring it closer to the AK-12 in terms of characteristics?
        Work on the modernization of the AK-74 is carried out to the level of "four plus". But pull it to the AK-12 will not succeed. Too expensive and impractical. But essentially it will change for the better.
        Presenter: You said that after factory tests, this AK-12 assault rifle must pass state tests and after that it will be put into service. But where does such confidence come from? Do other samples not participate in state tests? For example, Kovrov AEK-971 can participate in such tests?
        They will all participate in Kovrov and Izhevsk, because apart from the AK-12 in Izhevsk, other machines are being created. For AK-12, I know, there is great interest in a number of services that are ready to accept it even now. I think the decision will be made at the end of next year.
        If I manage to complete the project to the end, then I have no doubt that the AK-12 will be put into service, because by its characteristics, it, as far as I know, has no analogues in Russia.
        I know what is being done in Izhevsk, in Tula. I do not know what's in Kovrov. Here we have been working on AK 12 for more than a year. Many technical solutions have been laid here, which the designer from Kovrov, for such a short period, with all due respect to them, are unlikely to be able to solve .....
        .....Presenter: It is clear that you consider the AK-12 one of the best machines. But if you take foreign samples? Which western model seems to you the most perfect?
        I believe that the Kalashnikov assault rifle, today, even with all its shortcomings, is better. M4, in terms of combat performance, is significantly inferior. Yes there are people who like this rifle. But in fact, in its reliability, even in the accuracy of automatic fire, this rifle is inferior to the AK-74. Yes, it is lighter, but it is in a different class. It is shortened, and the AK-74 is a full-fledged assault rifle, and it should compete with a longer-barrel rifle, such as the m16a2 .......
        ......Anchorman: At one time, Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov said that he was against switching to caliber 5. 45. In your opinion, which way is the development of arms production, reducing caliber or increasing caliber?
        There will be an optimal compromise found in the near future, between these two calibers
        Presenter: An intermediate cartridge between a rifle caliber and an active 5.45 caliber?
        Well, let's put it this way. Yes. Interim will be the solution. Because the cartridge is 5.45 or 5. 56 it, not all services are satisfied. So it is 7. 62 not all services are satisfied. So far, there is no such clear preference for this or that cartridge. 5. 45 is interesting in that the cartridge is extremely lightweight, has good ballistics. You can take a large ammunition with you. But 7. 62 has a significant advantage in stopping and punching ability. But at the same time, ammunition can be taken one and a half times less.
        Host: What do you think about the bullpup scheme? Does she have prospects?
        Of course it does. VKS is built according to the bullpup scheme. The VSV rifle that I created in Tula was also built according to the bullpap scheme, the ASh-12.7 assault rifle
        And here work is underway to create automata according to the bullpup scheme .....
        ......Presenter: Civil carbine "Saiga-12", the same iconic weapon as the AK-74. The machine changes. Will Saiga change?
        In parallel with the development of the AK-12, we are working on the creation of civilian versions of it, both rifled and smooth-bore. And they will already appear next year. Already serial development will go.
        Anchor: Will the Saiga be very different from the Saiga we are used to?
        It will be as different as the AK-12 from the AK-74. It is done on the same platform. And this is being done, at present, with the aim of simplifying the statement on the serial production of the machine. What is the name of this weapon will be “Saiga” or something else, I do not know. Perhaps the name will be different.
        Anchor: As for “Saigi 12”, this does not apply to you because problems with the quality of “Saigi 12” started long before you came to IZHMASH. I am addressing them to you as the chief designer. I was asked to ask these questions. Is it true that Saiga is better for the foreign market than Saiga which is produced for the domestic market?
        I think no. The same people make this “Saigu”, both for the domestic and for the external market.
        Host: Is it true that saiga trunks are cut with an old tool, and sometimes they are even crookedly welded?
        Trunks on the "Saiga" are not boiled. They are made on rotary machines. No that's not true
        Host: Is it true that the Saigu for the practical shooting team are assembled somehow separately, in a special way, and this is not the Saiga that is sold in stores?
        There is truth here. For athletes a special approach. There was an individual fit, and it was not assembled at the factory itself, but at the KTC design bureau .......

        http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2012/07/blog-post_31.html#comment-form
  3. +3
    30 July 2012 09: 26
    Racing in things like weapon design is not acceptable. In the end, "the enemy does not stand at the gate and other people's horses do not snore." Most likely it was not done without lobbying.
  4. AlexMH
    +4
    30 July 2012 10: 58
    The last picture is amazing. Springs, cables, wheels, some kind of rotary stuff ... It needs to be disassembled on the operating table. No, for the special forces it is possible to invent a laser rifle, but something tells me that it was not allowed into a large series, that there was no money, but because it would have been like it used to be with SVT - it is unreliable, they say, and that's it, take it back, give the mosink. So with this machine guns - the troops would immediately request back their favorite "Kalash", which I blindly disassembled in 40 seconds at school :)
    1. +11
      30 July 2012 11: 24
      40 seconds, too much. 30 seconds assembly-disassembly, this is nothing, and even blindfolded. Something new always attracts, until you get used to it, only then you begin to see the flaws. I ran through the mountains for two years with the AKS-74, but I never thought about its shortcomings. So for me they were not!
    2. +3
      30 July 2012 11: 31
      Quote: AlexMH
      which in 40 seconds blindly, I still sorted out at school :)

      Yes, my friend, you idler, incomplete disassembly - assembling AKM in blind 12 seconds. :)
      1. Charon
        +2
        30 July 2012 13: 50
        Come on, lie. 12 sec this is if the details are scattered around the table. 13-14 seconds no less.
        1. bachast
          +5
          30 July 2012 14: 01
          He doesn’t lie. And for 8 they manage
          1. Charon
            +2
            30 July 2012 17: 41
            Individual unique rubik's cube are collected in 30 seconds.
            If you train purposefully, then maybe 8 can. But, again, sloppy, with the scattering of parts in all directions.
        2. +1
          30 July 2012 20: 49
          I give a tooth! on the dispute did smile
          1. Charon
            0
            31 July 2012 13: 53
            I don’t need a tooth. Of course to argue. If carefully, then 13-14 seconds.
      2. Yemelya
        +2
        30 July 2012 21: 24
        What does "incomplete disassembly-assembly of AKM blindly 12 seconds mean?"
        You can disassemble for 8, but to collect for 12 ... request
        1. +1
          30 July 2012 23: 32
          Complete disassembly - everything is disassembled, including the trigger mechanism.
          Incomplete disassembly - disassembled to the vent pipe. 12 seconds disassembly - assembly (cycle).
          1. Yemelya
            -1
            31 July 2012 22: 02
            What is incomplete disassembly, I know, assemble after incomplete disassembly in 12 seconds. unreal.
          2. s1н7т
            +1
            31 July 2012 22: 26
            Shopipets!) And M-16 / M-4 for how much?
    3. Denzel13
      +2
      30 July 2012 16: 54
      SVT in crooked hands was unreliable. In WWII, many snipers were friends with her, the main thing is care.
      1. s1н7т
        +2
        31 July 2012 22: 29
        My father told me that the best in WWII are SVT and PPS. You can trust him, he was there, used both of them.
        1. survivor
          +1
          31 July 2012 22: 38
          shot from both. reliable, not capricious, powerful weapon !!! simple and functional! know how to make our weapons!
  5. tarnishes
    +4
    30 July 2012 11: 05
    Kalashnikov easier to maintain, repair, and other obvious indicators, but there are inferior characteristics! Just do not forget that the machine was selected for the USSR Army, and wide export! Everything needed ease of maintenance and prostate use, along with serious combat characteristics! The rest could only be considered for individual units!
  6. +5
    30 July 2012 13: 44
    I read somewhere "New" point of view that AK is a good machine gun, reliable, but not for professionals. They say that even an untrained fighter can complete the task from this machine. But "now Russia needs a NEW professional army," and professionals must also fight with weapons for professionals! They say that a professional weapon cannot be so simple that every new recruit can use it freely.
    But I think that there are special units, sharpened to perform special tasks, here they are to perform these tasks and need weapons for their tasks. And the infantry needs AK. Do not think that I believe that in the infantry it is not able to think and own a professional weapon with its head. But small arms must be reliable and universal, and probably no one will come up with Kalashnikov in this regard.
    1. DDA
      DDA
      +1
      30 July 2012 14: 04
      Yes, we need an AK, but ergonomics have not yet been mined, so it prevents our designers from making a couple of additions to the design: the neck for the magazine, push-button fixing of this magazine, a telescopic butt (you can even use the kickback compensator), a fire mode translator that you can use without taking your hands off pistol grip (just with your thumb) and always two-sided (left-handed people are few, but they are), the shutter grip also double-sided, put the receiver cover on the hard hinge so as not to adjust the sight after cleaning the machine (if they are to be mounted on the Picatinny rail. Still, the soldier will be pleased.
      1. Jeka
        +4
        30 July 2012 14: 30
        Quote: DDA
        so that prevents our designers from making a couple of additions to the design: the neck under the store, push-button fixing of this store, telescopic butt

        If we consider the AK as a weapon of the regular army (for which it was developed), I think it is perfect, for conscripts no pribludy in the form of telescopic stocks are needed, the only thing that I lacked in Kalash was the front handle. and for Specialists it is necessary to develop another automatic machine that fully meets their requirements, interchangeable barrels of different lengths, change of cartridge, etc.
        1. DDA
          DDA
          +3
          30 July 2012 14: 35
          Yes, only the biometrics of people are different, and the machine is still a personal weapon.
          1. s1н7т
            +1
            31 July 2012 22: 54
            There is a plus in unification - I took any machine, and did not notice the difference with mine.
        2. s1н7т
          +1
          31 July 2012 22: 51
          H'm. What "specialists" do you mean? If the military, then they have everything, in principle. Well, replacing a cartridge for an enemy one would be useful, probably yes. And ergonomics is perhaps for snipers, but there they themselves decide the issue, for themselves.
          1. Jeka
            0
            3 August 2012 21: 01
            not only an enemy cartridge, but also, for example, changing a 5,45 and 7,62x39 cartridge to 9x39, because why do you need a bunch of different weapons when you make an option for close combat with a shortened barrel from one model, a standard model or a sniper version with a silencer like Vintorez.
      2. Passing
        +1
        31 July 2012 00: 00
        DDA, so the AK-12 has it all. Except for the neck, naturally. Because the neck with the "button" makes it very difficult to eliminate the misalignment of the cartridge - there are several videos on the network where the cartridge is stuck in the M16, and the store is neither here nor there, you have to climb into the receiver, shake the store, in short, under the whistle of bullets, this is not what causes enthusiasm. In addition, a deep neck, like M16, makes it difficult to remove dirt, you cannot clean it with your fingers through the magazine receiver. In addition, with the introduction of the ZZ on the AK-12, the difference in reload speed from the M-16 will become unimportant.
    2. s1н7т
      +1
      31 July 2012 22: 43
      Shopian!))) The contractor in the infantry is not a professional ?! If the infantry has excellent weapons, give us more excellent ones?)))
  7. Raven
    +5
    30 July 2012 14: 39
    What is AK famous for? First of all, by the fact that in a real combat situation it is reliable and at the same time it has optimal basic characteristics, which allows it to fulfill its tasks at the present time.
    1. DDA
      DDA
      +2
      30 July 2012 14: 45
      So what I'm talking about, AK reliability will not hurt. Only leash will allow to sharpen the machine for a fighter. At the expense of handles, too, do not mind a good idea!
    2. s1н7т
      +2
      31 July 2012 23: 02
      100% correct! One nuance. I shot several shops at the shooting range from AKS, then the same number from AKMS. Then he took the same AKC again - he doesn't shoot, dog! While suffering, AKMS also cooled down. Took it - shoots, damn it! Therefore, I am "in the old fashioned" for Kalashnikov 7,62. And when shooting at 300-400 m. It hit the same targets as from the AKS-74. Instead of "invention" 5,45, I had to think about another "machine" - even a "bullpup", but something really new.
  8. Voron65
    +4
    30 July 2012 17: 01
    Quote: borisst64
    Familiar position. Pensioners always praise GAZ for one and a half for simplicity and the possibility of repairs in the field (for them, electronic ignition is dark woods), however, we drive modern cars, we develop a little!

    In battle, one should not measure oneself, but have the most reliable weapons, which can be used to hit the enemy between horns without fear of breaking, and there is nothing to say about our natural purity.
    Again, we are talking exclusively about combined arms weapons, and not for specialists. Here, simplicity and reliability are one of the main selection criteria.
    1. FIMUK
      +4
      30 July 2012 18: 25
      if you look at the weapon forums, it becomes clear that the conversation between AK supporters and supporters of updating or even replacing AK is a conversation between the deaf and dumb ... everyone has a lot of arguments, but not one is not a 100m argument.
      Read on the website of Izh Masha Kalashnikov’s memoirs and see how many problems he had at the beginning of the series and how many years he has been tearing them down .... It will become clear to everyone that AK is not a panacea, but only a privately implemented and finalized thought in the factory and on field tracks.
      Therefore, talking about the AEK nuances is simply stupid, they need to be eliminated and brought to mind ... and where to bring it to mind is clear only in the regular parts to collect feedback and polish the design. Even Kalashnikov writes about his brainchild.
      In my humble opinion, the Pts did a good job on this issue (I already wrote about it somehow) their G36 is the crown of an assault rifle, plus a huge field for modernization.
      1. Jeka
        +2
        30 July 2012 23: 04
        The G-36 rifle is based on the design of Eugene Stone AR-18, but indeed the machine turned out to be very successful, very large scope for modernization and body kits, but at the same time the German army does not rush to remake the existing rifles for a telescopic butt although they have one of the the strongest economies of the EU and the small number of armed forces, why?
        1. +1
          31 July 2012 08: 18
          Quote: wih
          the German army does not rush to remodel existing rifles under a telescopic butt, although they have the ability


          They tried, by the way. G36KV4. But something went wrong ...
          1. FIMUK
            +2
            31 July 2012 13: 02
            under the telescope they made amers HK416 and 417.
            that is, a deep modernization of the m16a4 ... ... the cameras are delighted only now their "Telavivskoe" lobby continues to push the m16a4 into the army ....
            Well, let them shove them further ... on the forum, the military read the dispute of one German and Amer about the pros and cons ... so the German really neighing at the Amers telling how their M16 are heated and wedged when shooting 3-4 stores from the checkpoint ... and what would the Yankees do if it were not for the German mg3 and the two Bundes accidentally lingered on that block post to repair their bronivichka.
            As a result, the German really mocked the Amer "like it turned out that the Amer is a colonel" and the German so tactfully apologized, well, if the Herr Colonel says, then of course M16 is rlchshe than r36 *))
            1. Jeka
              +2
              31 July 2012 13: 16
              Yes, the US military is generally strange people, as part of the weapons program of the future XM-29, the XM-36 rifle was developed on the basis of the G-8, it was boasted that it was the best rifle, that it had no analogues, but then they didn’t share who would produce them for the army An American company, H&K or FN, that's all.
              1. Korvin
                0
                4 August 2012 18: 42
                Each time everything rests on one thing: More expensive than it was and the fighter did not turn into a terminer from a new rifle. Although it is clear that this is an excuse, but just that lobbyists have a very strong paw in Congress and the Moscow Region.
        2. Korvin
          0
          4 August 2012 18: 39
          It turned out that the same butt length for a shooter without a BZ and in the BZ does not fit and KSK had to put smaller stocks from the short C version. Therefore, according to the program Infantance Der Tsukunt, the butt is already telescopic.
  9. Dmitry.V
    +2
    30 July 2012 19: 50
    Everything is quite briefly and clearly, without going into details. Article plus.
    Well, about the machines themselves, then of course there is no replacement for the "old" Kalashnikov, although they are not trying to underestimate its effectiveness. I hope that a new modification will be adopted soon. And it would also be nice to see collimators and other additions.
  10. GM.kz
    +4
    30 July 2012 20: 03
    My opinion is why bicycling a bicycle when it is already there. Better upgrade Kalash increasing its characteristics!
  11. DNA
    DNA
    +2
    30 July 2012 20: 09
    Of course, the AKA-74 is an excellent machine gun. But time goes on and everything requires updating, everything is once morally obsolete. And it is a pity that he still does not have a worthy replacement. But I hope that in the near future, such will appear and take the podium at the AKA-74.
  12. Region71
    +4
    31 July 2012 17: 28
    I don’t want to disassemble all the characteristics of the weapons described here, I’ll say the now-popular cut-off for 2-3 shots seems to me completely absurd. Practically for anyone who has learned less to hold a weapon in their hands, cutting off a burst of three rounds will not be difficult. this function, this is unnecessary details and a decrease in reliability.
    1. 0
      2 August 2012 18: 08
      You see, in the presented samples of Stechkin and Nikonov, not just a cutoff of two or three rounds is organized, the barrel of the weapon moves along with the cutoff. In short, when shooting with a cutoff, one bullet will first leave the barrel, the barrel will move a little back, then the second barrel will still move, and only after that the shooter will feel the total recoil from both shots. That is, there is practically no effect of recoil when shooting with a cut-off. Therefore, they say that "two bullets fall into one point", which, of course, is not entirely true, if the distance is not ten meters. And without this, the cutoff option is really superfluous. Although on the other hand, the movement of the barrel will also occur when the weapon fires in a long burst, so the presence of a cutoff is indeed a moot point ...
  13. sergeant1973
    +3
    31 July 2012 18: 19
    Undoubtedly akm is the best machine in the world !!!!!!!!!!!
  14. zzzel
    +1
    31 July 2012 19: 22
    on TV, a year ago, they showed how a platoon of amers attacked the Dushmans. They took ruins for half an hour, and then stumbled because the trunks were overheated. And the meaning of this attack?
  15. mind1954
    0
    1 August 2012 02: 15
    It showed the production of three rulers during the war.
    For sniper rifles selected better barrels!
    Is a similar method suitable for special forces ???

    How can they compete with Kalashnikov:
    "Bulpup" whose center of gravity changes
    and the machine with the barrel moving ???
    1. 0
      2 August 2012 18: 21
      There are three components of success in a sniper rifle: the shooter, the barrel, the cartridge, the machine gun, this is a slightly different design, therefore it will be somewhat strange to make a choice on a high-quality barrel. In terms of overall quality, that's another question. In general, in my humble opinion, such a separation of "for specialists" and "for non-specialists" is incorrect. An assault rifle as a mass weapon should be suitable for many tasks, albeit at the very least, but suitable, since it is not known what tasks will be assigned to a soldier armed with this weapon. Specialists always have one or more specific tasks, in accordance with which the tool is selected. After all, no one will hammer in a nail with a screwdriver, no one will eat soup with a fork, and so on. For some tasks, the same Kalashnikov is ideal, and for some, something else is required, for example, noiseless. There is no completely universal weapon, you can make a semblance of versatility, but such a sample will lose to those models that were created purely for specific tasks.
      And what didn’t please bullpup? The balance of weapons he has on the contrary more suitable for firing than the classical layout, it remains only to get used to it, that you agree does not rearrange such a global problem. Well, the movable barrel of the weapon, if the designers succeed in realizing it without complicating the maintenance of the weapon, without reducing the reliability and accuracy of shooting, then let them move on their health)))
  16. achtungminen
    0
    2 August 2012 21: 07
    So it is so, the scheme 3-3 and 2-2 works, and if you get the hang of it, then you can shoot single ones in auto mode, and with this philosophy you can remove one more mode, but that's why it is needed, if it is many times more convenient with a cutter will be, the reliability of the AK is high, this is undoubtedly, of course, not good with ergonomics, although you can fight with this one, Abakan with its “cockroaches”: a complex design, not such a chic superiority in performance characteristics, but if the AK-12 is allowed then this is a pretty good alternative to 74m. But it also needs to be equipped with a colimator sight, and here is a snag.
  17. alex4i4erin
    0
    25 August 2012 18: 22
    AK, like a bicycle, you can’t imagine anything cooler on the usual physical principles. Http://www.youtube.com/watch? V = RuwR4LLvoc4 & feature = related An American is disingenuous, pay attention to the retention of weapons when firing a burst. If he held AK as M 16 ...
  18. AIpot
    +1
    25 August 2012 19: 12
    The sloping horn on the abakan looks awful. although weapons do not value appearance ...
  19. +1
    11 September 2012 19: 01
    Really it was impossible to do something modern from Kalashnikov. It’s easy. For example. http://world.guns.ru/assault/isr/galil-ace-r.html