Coronavirus debunked the self-employed myth. On state support. POLL

Against the backdrop of the fight against coronavirus and simply epic (sarcasm, if anything) "successes" of our president and government, a lot of what has worried us in the recent past has somehow receded.

For example, taxes.

In the light of the gifting of us as the premier-tax specialist, it is topical.

I'll be back a few years ago, with your permission. More than one year in our country there has been a struggle with those who do not want to pay everything to the penny.

On the one hand, it is clear that taxes must be paid. On the other hand, when you see what they are going to, the desire to pay somehow dries out. Roughly like a ruble against a dollar.

And so the state launched a campaign to return self-employed citizens to ... Well, out of the shadows to withdraw and tax. And thereby replenish the budget, and in general, it is necessary that the country has order.

Last year, only 4 regions participated in the experiment on legalizing the income of self-employed citizens, this year - 23.

Considering that in 2018 the number of Russians who received income not under an employment contract was estimated at 25 million people, the authorities’ desire is understandable. And for those who want to legalize, it seems to be profitable: there are incomes - you pay 4%, there are no incomes - you do not pay, you do not need to file any declarations.

In general, everything is no worse than in all Europe. By the way, how is it?

It's about the same there. The rate, however, is higher, in some places it is much higher, and somewhere, like in the UK, the progressive scale generally works.

But the self-employed in Europe are the most full-fledged hard workers and honest taxpayers.

What, ask, is the difference?

But in what.

When the coronavirus went across Europe and the crisis began, in which we all flounder, the self-employed who lost their income received full compensation from the states.

In Germany, these were one-time non-refundable grants in the amount of up to 9000 euros (726 rubles). In Britain, too, payments - up to 000% of income, but not more than 80 pounds (2500 rubles) per month.

And we have?

And our government and the president have become very generous. Already a whole minimum wage as unemployment benefits. As much as 12 130 rubles per month. 150 euros, 163 dollars or 132 pounds per month.

By the way, Peskov just recently explained that this also applies to the self-employed.

We now have unemployed people. It's not a secret. It is no secret that registering yourself as an unemployed is not as easy as we would like. But here, perhaps, it all depends on who and how in the regions manages this. Therefore, at the end of the article I will put a few substantive questions, and we will write a couple more articles in the comments.

In the meantime, the Internet is replete with a wide variety of stories on the topic of benefits and unemployment. For example, like this:

An interesting turn of events, right? It doesn’t really matter where Alexander came from, what matters is that it suddenly turned out that the self-employed were not workers at all. That is, it is possible to take a tax from them, even if it is 4%, but it is absolutely not necessary to help. It is not self-employed and self-employed that need help, Rosneft and Gazprom need help. But we’ll talk about this separately - to whom and how they help us.

Let us, putting one hand in my heart and the other in my wallet, give ourselves the answer to the question (only honestly): is it a joy about citizens or a porn film?

Well, you see, we’re not talking about European-level amounts. We are talking about the perfect handout, which is not available to everyone. As an example, I can give ... Yes, you guessed it, a micro-entrepreneur. Watchmaking wizard. They closed the wagon, sealed it, threatened it with fines, if it came to it without permission, did not even let it take out the equipment for working at home. Payouts? Yeah, ten.

And okay, watchmaker (very good). And if someone earned real money? And if someone has obligations?

Wrong country? Not so rich? But somehow it supports the “forming” businesses of our oligarchs, doesn't it?

But the people can still throw taxes and fines.

I don’t want to talk about the fall of our, so to speak, “economy”. Let it fall, maybe it will at least somehow sober up all those who blindly believe Kiselev, Soloviev and Mishustin. They work, that's a fact.

But the fact and the fact that with each such "effective step" confidence in the state is falling. You can throw off any number of TV screens, telling how everything is fine with us, but ... But people still stop believing, take money from banks (whoever has it), and probably the number of individuals and self-employed will decrease dramatically.

And it will be both normal and reasonable. Why should citizens of a state that so selectively provides financial support in a crisis have to heartily rejoice for its interests?

Well, and still it will be very interesting to learn from readers how things are going in the regions of Russia in terms of solving the voiced problems. How easy is it to get benefits? Join the exchange? Get a tax deduction?

It will be very interesting to know. Share: anyone like?

Comments

[Catfish]

For all my long and not quite righteous life, it never crossed my mind to turn to the state for help. Especially to the present. I don’t know how things are in Ryazan and the region, but of the people I met, no one saw any benefits in my eyes, and no offers to receive them were heard.

[gost2012]

Quote: Sea Cat

I don’t know how things are in Ryazan and the region, but of the people I met, no one saw any benefits in my eyes, offers to receive them, too, was not heard.

Probably should have been ringing the door and persistently offering - well, take it, well, please!
This is how the people imagine giving money to the self-employed (who have never paid taxes to the same budget, by the way)? I came somewhere and so - I'm self-employed, and my wife too, give me two? Just imagine how many "self-employed" will appear at once, for help, then in a store and for a couple of days in "self-isolation"
Just imagine this not from the point of view - I am sitting at home on the couch, and everyone does not bring help - but on a national scale, and the people are different, but for the "free" money, first of all, the most "selected" will reach out, and the official is different (and not all of them are bastards), and there is no such experience. And the money is state-owned and there will be demand for it, despite the fact that there are no well-worked and understandable mechanisms, instructions.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Malyuta

Quote: Gost2012

This is how people imagine issuing money self-employed (they never paid taxes to the same budget, by the way)?

What are you talking about ?! Self-employed did not come from a good life, but from the fact that there is no work!
The second point, now I am unemployed, but from 1998 to 2016 I was the head and founder of a small manufacturing enterprise for the production of corrugated packaging and hygiene items, with the number of employees from 70 to 100 people. From 2016 to 2018 I worked as a hired director. I paid this state a bunch of taxes without asking for anything in return, developing the enterprise not thanks to, but in spite of the state. Then, in 2018, "thanks to" the "efforts" of the state, the enterprise had to be closed, employees had to be fired, equipment was sold, and on this they put a fat point in entrepreneurial activity in this state and get their daily bread as unemployed.
And now I have a simple question that Utkin answered: "Fuck such a state", which not only did not support me, but with its own actions destroyed the enterprise, turning 100 people into unemployed, a state that constantly reaches into my pocket?
I never felt love for education, mistakenly called the state, and was not loyal to him because of my beliefs, and now I hate him fiercely !!!
Hate me will not be able to ban more than one of their laws and now the enemy of my enemy is my friend!

I also closed mine in 2018. It worked completely in white. In vain, by the way. Which of the competitors worked in the gray and carried double bass to the country, at that moment remained afloat (I don’t know now). And he also firmly decided that with this state, I no longer play a game of chance, called business.
Even the most successful of my acquaintances (in various fields) also thought about closing the business this year. But such moods were even before any pre-trial detention centers, and what can I say after that, most likely many will do it now.

PS I have never asked the state for anything, I only paid taxes. So I will join- To hell with me such a state.
In which neither business is impossible to conduct (with a poor population), nor work with a decent zp no and not even foreseen in the foreseeable future.

[CAM]

Will you be friends with the interventionists?

[Altona]

Quote: CAM

Will you be friends with the interventionists?

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The state and the Government are on friendly terms with the interventionists, otherwise how are McDonald's, Pepsi, Metro Cash & Carry and other foreigners on the lists of "system-forming"? These are the real invaders. If you cut down a park and put concrete boxes, isn't it an intervention in nature, with the destruction of flora and fauna? It's the same here, economic intervention.

[Flinkfan]

It is fundamentally important for you which thief cleans your pockets: imported, or domestic?
Those and others store stolen goods, buy real estate, take a break from theft, teach their miscarriages and are treated in about the same places.

[ccsr]

Quote: Malyuta

What are you talking about ?! Self-employed did not come from a good life, but from the fact that there is no work!

This is not at all the case - there have always been self-employed people, even in Soviet times, some people worked from home and secretly sold their handicrafts or sewing in the market and did not pay the state anything at all. Remind you of the "secret" bolts or a gas tank cap with an eccentric, which the craftsmen sold at auto stores in Soviet times? But now we have capitalism, and it will never allow someone to live by earning money and pay nothing to the state - this is typical for all countries of the world, because there is not a single country where citizens do not pay taxes, with the exception of those who is dependent on the state for a number of reasons. That is why any citizen will be forced to pay, and I don’t understand why anyone is surprised.

Quote: Malyuta

I never felt love for education, mistakenly called the state, and was not loyal to him because of my beliefs, and now I hate him fiercely !!!

What then holds you back in the country or leaving to hermits like Agafya Lykova? The state will not change - there will be no return to Soviet times, our capitalists will never allow this, because they well know why the October Revolution took place. That's why you will not be left with a choice - do not even hope, but draw conclusions.

[Sergey79]

I agree. I also do not understand why, having paid 13% since 96, should receive less pension because of some self-employed? After all, my piece goes to him on an old-age pension. Or on what basis should a self-employed be given a minimum wage, but not me? Good position: "Let's take the taxpayer's money and give it to ME, ONE OF THE 25 MILLION SELF-EMPLOYED" ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Sergey79

I agree. It’s also not clear to me why, having paid 13% since the 96th year, should I get a lesser pension due to some self-employed? After all, my piece retires him in old age.

Quite right, but sane people understand this, who do not create illusions about the "self-employed" and the appearance of pensions in them, for which they did not deduct a dime.
Many current "analysts" do not know that in the USSR they also paid 6% for childlessness, and there was a law on parasitism, when everyone who had not worked for 6 months could be prosecuted and even imprisoned. And the parasites always presented the district police officer with a certificate from a new place of employment as soon as the deadline from the last dismissal approached, because he always controlled such at his site.
Those. then it was ensured that everyone paid a pension fund, but even then housewives could not work, and received a very small old-age pension. Now they are simply returning to that order, because too many people do not pay anything to the pension fund, and this must be looked at realistically, and not hysteria about the offended self-employed. By the way, my son studied with a language tutor, and one hour of work cost 1100 rubles, and he had more than one such student. That is why the self-employed tutor constantly went on vacation abroad, but paid nothing to the state, as I understand it.

[gost2012]

Quote: Malyuta

Quote: Gost2012

This is how people imagine issuing money self-employed (they never paid taxes to the same budget, by the way)?

... and now I hate him fiercely !!!
Hate me will not be able to ban more than one of their laws and now the enemy of my enemy is my friend!

oh, so this is for you to censor. no need, there all the haters-losers are grouped together

[don-1500]

"losers" is the term of the modern Elochka the Cannibal. These, as you put it, "losers" are ordinary, simple people.

[gost2012]

Quote: don-1500

"losers" is the term of the modern Elochka the Cannibal. These, as you put it, "losers" are ordinary, simple people.

No, ordinary people, to which I include myself, are not necessarily losers. The term was applied specifically to Malyuta, who positioned himself as a business manager, which went bankrupt in 2018, and the “common man” Malyuta does not take responsibility for this, but considers the state to be guilty, and also believes that the state owes him something.
Perhaps this term should not be used, it is insulting and harsh, and no one is safe, but the whole tone of his post was very emotional and negatively charged, which is why it happened.
The head is responsible for the fate of the business, and that's all, and in 2018 there was nothing to cause a full-fledged force majeure. And then he buried the office, Putin is to blame, the state and Putin for this "I hate" caps. Well, where does he belong if not at the censor after that? Is he a loser? Of course, and mainly, not because I burned out, but because I have such thoughts in my head and I "hate" caps. Lucky people don't write like that, no matter if they are simple people or not.
ps minus is not mine

[ccsr]

Quote: don-1500

These, as you put it, "losers" are ordinary, simple people.

And what did the Soviet government interfere with these ordinary people, if they suddenly wanted to live under capitalism, and when they received it in all its glory, they immediately began to smear snot? Maybe the time has come to pay for the mistakes of the past, when all the wealth of the country was handed over to a handful of villains, and not whine why they are so painfully beaten for those mistakes? This is how they teach fools - they did not believe in Marxism, and when they realized that everything was written correctly about capitalism, they began to look for the guilty somewhere on the side, but not in themselves loved ones. It’s good at least that the “ordinary people” began to see their light - maybe they will mature to the understanding that it is necessary to change the system, and not just cry in forums and wonder why the president has such a rating.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Malyuta

Malyuta

Briefly your polybook can be stated as follows:

- organized an enterprise. Well done.
- loved the company. Not well done.
- blames everyone except himself. Alternatively gifted, with no chance to get out.

Man, I share my personal experience - to get better - you have to get very angry at first. Not for someone else, it is unproductive, but for oneself.

You, the campaign, are already without a chance. Hence your cries of how everything is bad.

It is bad around you. And it is you yourself who have achieved this. My condolences

[sunzhenets]

In my opinion, in Russia there have long been no people who hope for the help of the state.

I don’t want to talk about the fall of our, so to speak, “economy”. Let it fall, maybe it will at least somehow sober up all those who blindly believe Kiselev, Soloviev and Mishustin.

"That which is dead cannot die."

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Gost2012

Probably should have been ringing the door and persistently offering - well, take it, well, please!

you will laugh but just like that!

during a crisis, injecting money into the economy through the population (not giving out money is the most effective measure to keep the economy afloat.

it can be done differently. You can run national projects like the construction of roads etc. with the involvement of even a larger number of workers than required, it is possible with grants. best mix of two options.

if money does not flow into the economy, they will not spin the wheels of food producers, transport, etc. etc. collapse can come (it is sometimes called a beast with
north) and the way out of it is a very long and a lot of suffering.

therefore yes! the state is obliged to ring the doorbell and even force citizens to receive money in one way or another. it is his (state's) duty to maintain the functioning of systems and the life of citizens.

otherwise you don’t need to ring the doorbell.
people themselves knock on large government doors with a pitchfork.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

otherwise you don’t need to ring the doorbell.
people themselves knock on large government doors with a pitchfork.

“You can reach justice at the golden gate of palaces only with rifle butts,” V.I. Lenin.

[gost2012]

Quote: Malyuta

Quote: Maki Avellievich

otherwise you don’t need to ring the doorbell.
people themselves knock on large government doors with a pitchfork.

“You can reach justice at the golden gate of palaces only with rifle butts,” V.I. Lenin.

Lenin remembered, reforged, bourgeois
Under the Bolsheviks, you would be put to the wall, either for bourgeoisism or for worthless management. Pray that today's power allows you to live and clatter on the clave, clogging up the ether

[Malyuta]

Quote: Gost2012

Pray that today's power allows you to live and clatter on the clave, clogging up the ether

I am very sorry and I’m sure to pray, a little later, for her repose.
PySy. The censor banned me a lot, there are a lot of bastard snacks, they just have different chants, but the pots (owners) are the same. .

[velikoros-xnumx]

I will support. Most people who have not forgotten how to think with their own head think similarly. This state (emphasized by the state, not the country. I really hope that most of those present understand the difference) are not viable and were initially stillborn. I really hope that the agony will be short-lived and relatively painless. Death is always replaced by a new life, the law of life. And I buried this state a long time ago ...

[Virus-free crown]

You do not touch Lenin !!!

[Terenin]

Quote: Gost2012

only rifle butts ...

that is, someone should knock butts, but not him, he is a "sniper" , he will watch from far away, in the optical sight

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Malyuta

“You can reach justice at the golden gate of palaces only with rifle butts,” V.I. Lenin

Man, you are cheated again ... this is not lenin

[89625588851]

It was about the self-employed who registered and paid taxes! And now it turns out they just threw it. Not so funny then, and do not turn everything around.

[Podvodnik]

Probably should have been ringing the door and persistently offering - well, take it, well, please! laughing

I'm an IP worker. By itself. For seventeen years already. Only I am subordinate. I pay taxes on time and submit my tax return. No one offered anything as help. Almost everyone with whom he worked is forcibly closed (Peter). Some people are working in the area. Income fell several times. The obligation to the pension fund (I divided it into "quarterly) must be paid for any income. Even zero. These are compulsory payments and no one has canceled them. And they amount to 40 rubles for 874.
If you wanted to help, you would. I have everything officially, in the tax and pension office all the data about me is. The account number is registered. But no help "dripped" or dripped on him. I don’t hope.

And my incomes fell due to the ban of the authorities to WORK! And if I was forbidden to work and promised to keep my salary, then why didn’t they pay and compensate my losses?
The reason is simple: "To speak the tongue, it is not to roll bags."
Everyone who earns, pays taxes and all sorts of "levies" income fell. This begs the question of the fall in income of those who introduced this self-compulsory (self) isolation. Have any "powerful" salaries dropped? No. The President said "with preservation," which means they will. And this salary is hundreds of thousands of rubles a month. Not our dozens. And where do these funds come from? That's right, from tax revenues. There is even a pod. They, I'm sure, will be awarded for "hard work".

So why should they "save", and I have a cookie, since I'm an IP person ?????????? I create something at least for little things. And what do "they" create? Nothing. What are they responsible for with their "wallet" (at least!)? No way!

[Revival]

Are you pretending not to be sharp? Or don't you pretend?
Self-employed is registered in tax and pays taxes.
The self-employed cannot suddenly appear, all information is taken into account.
And yes, you don’t need to knock on the door, the account of the self-employed is also known when registering

[Tatyana]

Interesting things happen in our country!

This is what happens?
If "self-employment is not an official labor activity," then the person will not receive a pension in the future!
But why then does he pay taxes ?!
Absurdity of pure water! Some scam from the government of the Russian Federation turns out!

[Stas157]

Quote: Tatiana

If "self-employment is not an official labor activity," then the person will not receive a pension in the future!
And why then does he pay taxes?!
Absurdity of pure water! Some scam from the government of the Russian Federation turns out!

You are absolutely right, Tatyana. And judging by the poll (time 7:20) - 95% of the voters did not receive any support. But how many hype and promises from the government! Peskov praised the work of the new government as brilliant. Beauties! They praise themselves.

[AUL]

Quote: Stas157

And judging by the poll (time 7:20) - 95% of the voters did not receive any support.

In the survey I answered - "yes". I received a governor's increase to my pension - as many as 3000 (three thousand) full-weight wooden ones. But, coming to our only stall in the village and looking at the constant dynamics of prices in it, I somehow do not feel joy.

[Horst78]

I didn’t even try: I see no reason - 75 (87.21%)
87.21%

EVEN DIDN'T ATTEMPT !!! it says a lot. Not yours

And judging by the poll (time 7:20) - 95% of the voters did not receive any support.

[Stas157]

Quote: Horst78

EVEN DIDN'T ATTEMPT !!! it says a lot. Not yours

This suggests that up to the majority of the population, help does not reach. Managers cannot organize it in the right way. And the people deceived more than once simply do not believe the authorities.

[Horst78]

Quote: Stas157

This indicates

This suggests how to put the question. The answer depends on the wording of the question. the "question" can already subconsciously lead to a definite answer.

I didn’t even try: I don’t see the point

Why is the question that has a double semantic load been raised in this way? Not "Didn't even try" and not "don't see the point", but exactly like that? I didn’t try because I don’t believe the authorities. they "lie and want to deceive me." Is it true that such a question can be read like that?

[Sklendarka]

Adjutant of their excellency would only drive a blizzard ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Tatiana

Some scam from the government of the Russian Federation turns out!

About half a year ago, in one of the discussion threads, I expressed such seditious thought that the slave system did not go away, but just changed its name to the capitalist system. But the essence has not changed. And then the coronovirus struck and what we see ? Some of the laborers are outside, (they don’t give a damn that they have loans and families), and the other part is kept in a black body. At the same time, taxes, taxes and so on are regularly being fought from both.
The scam did not start yesterday. Who else firmly believes that he is not a laborer on these plantations, with banks, loans, mortgages, the refusal of the state to help, and so on?

[Andrey Shch]

Quote: Tatiana

Interesting things happen in our country!
This is what happens?
If "self-employment is not an official labor activity," then the person will not receive a pension in the future!
But why then does he pay taxes ?!
Absurdity of pure water! Some scam from the government of the Russian Federation turns out!

Well, I won't argue about the scam, it really happens. Only pensions are not made up of taxes, but of contributions to the Pension Fund. If you want to form your future pension through the Pension Fund, then you need to register as an individual entrepreneur (if you do not want to go as an employee) and pay insurance premiums yourself. You will only have to pay even if you will not have any profit, even if you go into deep minuses at the end of the year. This year, together with contributions to the FSS, it is about 41 thousand rubles. So the choice is yours. It’s just impossible to predict how best, especially if before retirement is not two or three years, but all 10-15.

[Varyag71]

FIU is the financial pyramid

[Siberian]

I signed up for an appointment with the pension fund (before the new year) with only one question: I will automatically receive it (already pushed aside under the new law) or I need to provide some documents. Answer: "Of course, we need your personal statement. How do we know about you?" Religion of pure water, in the sense that it is not possible to comprehend with reason, you just have to believe in it. So, when they take taxes from me, everyone knows about me, and about my part-time jobs in different places, and no one asked me to come to the pension fund and write a statement about the desire to pay all this, and when the time came for me to pay, so it turns out about me nobody knows anything?

[malyvalv]

We usually receive a letter an invitation to visit the FIU one month or two before retirement. And yes, write a personal statement. It came to me. Some do not. But maybe it just didn't work out or the address was wrong. Anything can happen.

[military_cat]

"We are collecting money for the national state fund in case of problems with the economy" - "in case of problems with the economy, money from the fund cannot be distributed, because this will accelerate inflation."

How am I touched by such immediacy.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: military_cat

"In case of problems with the economy, money from the fund cannot be distributed, because this will accelerate inflation."

Very possible. Those who quickly pull them into offshore. In this case, inflation will definitely not happen. In principle, such distributions occur systematically.

[Ilya-spb]

Self-employed? Shadow economy? State support?

1) citizens need support from the state. Which got into a difficult situation.
To cash payments, I would add coupons for grocery sets (free).
You won’t drink grocery sets ...

2) the shadow economy must be fought. Russia is "running out of money." How many lard dollars were taken out last year? Some of them are shadow.
I add that in parallel with the fight against the shadow economy, the problem of migrants must be addressed.

How so - we have three million Uzbeks? Let them go to the ancient beautiful and sunny Uzbekistan.
And Russians will occupy jobs.
And payment on white.

3) Self-employed? Separation is important here.
Hard workers are one thing - hard workers - masters, builders, drivers, hairdressers, etc.

And all sorts of parasites? Like lawyers? Not needed.

About 7 years ago I had a situation. I turned to a lawyer.
We discussed the problem, agreed on the price.
It surprised me then (I was young and inexperienced) that a respected lawyer asked me to indicate in the contract only 10% of the amount of the fee. Like this. And it is unlikely that he paid tax with 90%.

That's it...

[Stils]

And all sorts of parasites? Like lawyers? Not needed.

About 7 years ago I had a situation. I turned to a lawyer.

And if lawyers are not needed, why did you go to them?
Stupidity froze.

[Stas157]

Quote: Stils

And if lawyers are not needed, why did you go to them?

He not only came, but also paid 90% unofficially:

Quote: Ilya-spb

And it is unlikely that he paid tax with 90%.

But blames exclusively lawyers.

[Ilya-spb]

I answer. Therefore, from my own experience, I came to the conclusion that it is inappropriate to work with self-employed lawyers who evade taxes.

And you, Stas157, I’ll answer, my money - as I want, I spend it.

[Revival]

Yes, let's divide people into grades, so it’s even more convenient to rob and give nothing.
The self-employed and un paid taxes equally, both the mason and the lawyer, and we are so cunning, since the mason will help us survive, but there is no lawyer, this is a citizen and a second-class profession.
Now I understand what kind of logic "some" are guided by when making decisions, only they have their own "stone-makers" at the same time

[Mikhail m]

Quote: Ilya-spb

You won’t drink grocery sets ...

You have such a bad opinion about the ability of our people to convert material values ​​into booze?

[Siberian]

From childhood, everyone is busy that the piggy bank (= fund of national welfare) is a one-time essence. I saved it, broke it, pulled out money, spent it and there are no more. If you do not save in a new way (with something, when there is nowhere to work and the very economy is simply not there). The country cannot stay on the self-employed, and on hairdressers with veterinarians. And according to the Russian government - it can!

[knn54]

You can ALWAYS count on the "MPO" that the state has put on us.

[nikvic46]

I feel warm about the self-employed for one reason. My grandmother sewed clothes for wealthy ladies. That way she prevented the family from falling off in 1921 and during the Second World War. I was not there then. My mother told me about this.

[pmkemcity]

Quote: nikvic46

My grandmother sewed clothes for rich ladies.

She was not self-employed, she was a "handicraftsman".

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: nikvic46

My grandmother sewed clothes for wealthy ladies. Thus, she did not let her family fall in 1921 and during the Second World War.

Well, when for the rich, and when do you serve the poor?

[nikvic46]

Vladimir. Among the rich, generous people is miserable. They can count every penny. So the family did not live in chocolate.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: nikvic46

. They can count every penny.

But the poor and cents are not. I serve dozens of people on my own, for that salary it remains only to stretch my legs.

[nikvic46]

Vladimir. We love to measure the past with current standards. The more difficult the time, the less important the role of money. In Samara in 1921 the calculation was made with natural products. You can give something valuable, but you will get a loaf of bread or flour for it. In besieged Leningrad, people exchanged rare things for a piece of bread. Yes, and in the last war, the rich got rich in such trouble that they had to do the reform in 1947 in one night.

[Grandfather]

Tomorrow we’ll go to work for the last time. There are no orders, no money. close indefinitely, while on vacation (paid) and then without maintenance. 30 people. the director honestly said: look for work someone who is lucky, but it is unlikely that there is no work ... thank Putin! Hurray! They fought with the virus, they ruined the country.

[gost2012]

Quote: Dead Day

Tomorrow we’ll go to work for the last time. There are no orders, no money. close indefinitely, while on vacation (paid) and then without maintenance. 30 people. the director honestly said: look for work someone who is lucky, but it is unlikely that there is no work ... thank Putin! Hurray! They fought with the virus, they ruined the country.

But half would get sick, some would die, some would burn the lungs, then who should shout the glory? And not the fact that orders would have remained at the same time.
The crisis is many-sided, it’s so ... but it comes from several sides at once.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Gost2012

But half would get sick, some would die, some would burn the lungs, then who should shout the glory? And not the fact that orders would have remained at the same time.

Do you specifically not notice that the article (and comments) are not talking about the virus, but about the attitude of the authorities towards ordinary people?

[gost2012]

Quote: Normal ok

Quote: Gost2012

But half would get sick, some would die, some would burn the lungs, then who should shout the glory? And not the fact that orders would have remained at the same time.

Do you specifically not notice that the article (and comments) are not talking about the virus, but about the attitude of the authorities towards ordinary people?

What about the relationship of these people to power? How do you think everything is mutually
Just kidding
People, especially the local forum population, are too infantile, for some reason they think that the tasks of building their own life are not on them, but on someone else, and everyone around them owes them something.

[andrew42]

No problem! Come on, "EdMaya Russia" gets off the barrel and rolls into opposition, at the same time let the Liberal Democratic Party and the "fair" take with them. Then there will be no questions to this "power". The state needs socialist transformations, urgently! Especially during the economic and humanitarian crisis like today. Monetarism DOES NOT WORK for the citizen, but works exclusively for the modern nobility (oligarchy, political and media servants). But will the "servants of the oligarchy" refuse the order feeders? - Of course not. Then let them not blather about the reasons for popular distrust.

[Alexander mosin]

Here on the site you can immediately see which of the feeders is fed and who filled this feeder. They say a friend is in trouble? So you can see who is friend to the authorities, bureaucrats, security officials, Sechin and agitprop. The authorities are not going to pay anything to anyone, they will stretch the rubber to the end of May, and there they will announce that the virus has been defeated and that Neher is at home sitting around and messing around.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Gost2012

But half would get sick, some would die, some would burn the lungs, then who should shout the glory? And not the fact that orders would have remained at the same time.
The crisis is many-sided, it’s so ... but it comes from several sides at once.

They wouldn’t ruin medicine, it would be possible not to declare quarantine, but to follow the path of Belarus.

[gost2012]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: Gost2012

But half would get sick, some would die, some would burn the lungs, then who should shout the glory? And not the fact that orders would have remained at the same time.
The crisis is many-sided, it’s so ... but it comes from several sides at once.

They wouldn’t ruin medicine, it would be possible not to declare quarantine, but to follow the path of Belarus.

Well, I don’t need to talk about the path of Belarus, as well as about the preserved unrooted medicine
It would be good for the wise men who set RB as an example, to walk along its path a little, so that they would remove the illusions, but not all will come.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

They wouldn’t ruin medicine, it would be possible not to declare quarantine, but to follow the path of Belarus.

Instead of ventilating, insert the exhaust pipe from the tractor into the ass?

[basmach]

And let's look at the statistics (which are not published) - how much sick people die of pneumonia in general (And what percentage of it is viral pneumonia), how many people are sick with the flu and what percentage of it is "corona", the percentage of deaths is comparable from "corona" and simple flu , from pneumonia. That's when you can talk about something, we have a pandemic, we do not have it.
Regarding the help-3000t.r for example for children under 3 years old. You can get it only if you have the right to capital. If there is no right, no help.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Dead Day

Tomorrow we’ll go to work for the last time. There are no orders, no money. close indefinitely, while on vacation (paid) and then without maintenance. 30 people. the director honestly said: look for work someone who is lucky, but it is unlikely that there is no work ... thank Putin! Hurray! They fought with the virus, they ruined the country.

Is Putin again to blame?
This instinct of the laborer has so much settled in our heads that, having lost these very plantations, people do not know what to do now. There was an imaginary illusion of freedom in the form of cheap tours to the sea, loans, cars at a low percentage, discounts for the new year. And now this illusion has dissolved and sobering of the population has begun.
And many do not know what to do. Previously, at least some money was paid and it was possible to get into another loan or buy a new hooker ... and now they sent people for free bread. And they do not know what to do with this will. Yes, and loans from all sides are being pressed, which now has nothing to pay.
And immediately the question arises-And going to work, loans, trips to cheap hotels in Turkey and Egypt, it was definitely freedom?
And judging by the comments of the people, they really want to go there again, under the whip and dues, under the taxes and the head of the overseer with a whip.
Many are given the chance to stop being a laborer. The slave is certainly simpler, since the owner and the drover decide everything for him. And when they give him freedom, he does not know what to do with it because he is not accustomed to decide for himself.

[awdrgy]

And who in the 90s realized what was what and began to quietly lay straws without sticking out, abandoning trick tours of loans to high-income businesses and simply ensuring self-sufficiency and independence from the state in case of something special now and do not experience anything else here (and this is much worse ) - there is an opinion that this whole thing was started for such "smart" lime (because with the rest it is possible to "solve" in a couple of months Hunger is not an aunt) Therefore, at the moment the tasks are serious There are a lot of unknowns Just don't laugh, but the problem of paying for housing and communal services this is a much more serious thing than the same bonded loan (for the loan is finite and the payment for housing and communal services is not) I must admit, it's hard to see not how those who did not have freedom in fact (or rather had it on credit and did not use the time) how are measures taken to take it away in the long term (and short-term) from those who achieved it with hard work Something of course can be done (this will delay the odds for a short time), but unfortunately full The solution to the problem has not yet been seen, except for extremely undesirable and unacceptably high risks for the family. I would like to hope that this whole "concert" was started by someone with the aim of simply "spoiling the dough" to rob the people once again, but unfortunately the events around them say that this is the case not in money (although they will "rip and weld" at the same time) Probably higher rates here

[Revival]

Did you notice any violation of logic and distortion in your comments? Or so in a hurry?
That is, they have given freedom now, but people who are orphaned and poor do not want it, are they afraid?
And where is the freedom that was given? In your comment, taxes remained, loans remained. People were given freedom from income, but there was no freedom from taxes, no loans. They even took the freedom to work and just calmly leave the house!
So what kind of freedom are you talking about? What kind of freedom did people take with hostility?
Or do you have the main thing, for the sake of which everything is written, is the message that "Putin is not to blame" for sure?

"Is Putin to blame again?
sent people for free bread. And they do not know what to do with this will. Yes, and loans from all sides are pressing.
then they really want to go there again, under the whip and dues, under the taxes and the chief overseer with a whip.
Many are given the chance to stop being a laborer.
When a slave is given freedom, he does not know what to do with it, because he is not accustomed to decide for himself. "

[NEXUS]

Quote: Revival

Did you notice any violation of logic and distortion in your comments?

If you did not notice it, logic, then this does not mean that it is not ... your right not to notice it.

Quote: Revival

That is, they have given freedom now, but people who are orphaned and poor do not want it, are they afraid?

Yes, given ... I will give you a simple and understandable example, so that it comes to you. 10 years ago I worked as many for my uncle. The furniture maker is me. He worked in a company, gave the country coal as they say. He received good money. But most of the earnings for my work went to a man who didn’t actually do nichrome. I’m talking about the Boss, the Boss, the Chaser ... but do not care what you call him. Yes, he ran taxes paid (for his business), he paid for insurance, etc. ... but he did not do real work. I did it, that is, the product itself. And he sent on vacations whenever he wants. He also handed out bonuses when a roasted cock pecks at him.
So 10 years ago, I was fired ... stupidly cut, because there are few stores, and there are many workers for them. That is, there are a lot of products, but with the sale it turned out badly. And I, having worked there for 5 years, and without work sat and thought, why should I do that? To look for another owner or maybe even change the job to something else. And in this asshole, one clever man told me, why should you bend your back on someone if you can work for yourself. And all the profits will suit you. And I began to work for myself. It was hard, sometimes I worked at a loss and myself, but ... I began to feel FREE from the owners, bosses, drovers, foremen and others like them. I myself decide when to leave, when you can spend money, when you need to work hard without smoke breaks.
Now quarantine will take place. Many office workers and not only employees will find themselves on the street ... with loans, with hungry children, a mortgage, etc. ... and I went to work and again I have orders, earnings, etc. And I do not care deeply about quarantines, crises and banks. I AM FREE.
That's what freedom I'm talking about.

Quote: Revival

then they really want to go there again, under the whip and dues, under the taxes and the chief overseer with a whip.

Yes they want. Because they are so used to it. Because it’s easier. You don’t have to move every day and think about how to make money, how to do work, so that the customer likes it, how to postpone the purchase of a new necessary tool, etc. ... it’s easier to stomp to work and work from 9 to 17, without bothering about anything. Why? Let the driver think ... right?
So people are given a chance to become free, as I was 10 years ago. The only question is, do they want this freedom?

[New Year day]

Quote: Dead Day

fought the virus

just started to fight, everything is ahead. Think for yourself: on May 12, self-isolation seems to be facilitated, and at the same time the number of beds for patients with covid is increased! In Moscow - by 10 thousand, the 75th pavilion of VDNKh, the Crocus City entertainment center, etc. will be redesigned. etc.

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: Silvestr

In Moscow - by 10 thousand, the 75th pavilion of VDNKh, the Crocus City entertainment center, etc. will be redesigned. etc.

In the palaces of deputies and the government alone, you can place the floor of Russia, and if you sell gold toilets and put up normal ones, then buy ventilation. If you look at the table on infections and casualties, you can see that the numbers are very underestimated to be used for propaganda, but at the same time they are afraid of a pandemic explosion in Moscow. Indeed, the future of the country depends on the mood of Muscovites.

[Revival]

What kind of help can we talk about, even if officially "help" is supposed to be 10 or 12 okVED out of thousands.
Yes, and that does not turn out:
Banks do not give loans at 0%, they sent a minister who tried to take for an experiment!
"Credit Holidays" have already been sent directly by the order itself, and not just by the minister. "Banks rejected 85% of applications, 15% are still pending" (Central Bank of the Russian Federation) (and this is still old info already).
That's all you need to know about help on our territory ...

[apro]

What a strange article ... the state is something. Who should. It’s not funny at all .... today the Russian state is the concentrated power of capital. And capital will not be divided just like that. Someone is not in the system.

[Reptiloid]

It has long been said --- "" the state should not "" .... And one should not and the other should not.
And recently, an official advised doctors to sew shoe covers for suits against the virus themselves. ...

[begemot20091]

the article is not strange. for this article, the uncle "cut down" a piece of dough, "like a self-employed" from a fan. COMRADE! Cash came into his pocket. Count views and reposts.

[ccsr]

Quote: apro

it’s a strange article ... the state is something. who should. it’s not funny at all .... today the Russian state is concentrated power of capital. and capital will not be divided just like that. someone is not in the system.

I completely agree with such an adequate assessment.

[Azis]

Self-employed, self-isolation, self-president ...

[DEDPIHTO]

= self-survival. Personally, I no longer get used to it because I have long been self-isolated from this under-state.

[BIABIA]

If self-isolation does not help, self-destruction will be introduced.

[albert]

Quote: Azis

Self-employed, self-isolation, self-president ...

Well said.

[malyvalv]

The most interesting thing is that Trump is literally accused of this one to one. How unusual it came together.

[Doccor18]

After many days of ordeal and collecting dozens of certificates on drawing up children's allowances, I decided that I would never turn to the state for help anymore. By the way, this marathon with certificates should be run every 6 months. Spat.

[Egoza]

Quote: Doccor18

After many days of ordeal and collecting dozens of certificates on drawing up children's allowances, I decided that I would never turn to the state for help anymore. By the way, this marathon with certificates should be run every 6 months. Spat.

Likewise. The son is an individual entrepreneur, three children, and .... FIG you. Yes, in order to receive benefits, one must not sit at home, but every day make his way personally (!!!) and even then it is not a fact that they will be given. Officials rule everything, not a government headed by ... "ah, what a good man."

[Uncle AU]

No need to lie. We spent one day on all the design in a place with inquiries, and certainly not a dozen or even a dozen, as you fill in here. They did not hear about any time in 6 months. A year has passed.
And in general, reading many comments you can see, they write two or three people under different nicknames. Creating a hate background. Style and presentation are the same. And it doesn’t matter what and on which branch. Almost all are one and the same.

[Crowe]

I was sent 4100 on a VTB multicard. A week ago. I walked by, walked in and asked the girls what it was, they say? This is help for the period of self-isolation, like a pensioner on disability. not from drunkenness.

[saigon]

And where does disability help give it?
Point blank did not see help.
At home, I’m sitting at the factory, but there’s no help.
Preventing jokes also in the workplace earned harmful working conditions.

[DEDPIHTO]

Apparently you live in different states, of which there are at least two in Russia ...

[saigon]

On true so, Krasnoyarsk is still in flight.

[pmkemcity]

It is not easy to become "official" unemployed. You have to come by 6 am, get in line (sign up) on the street, wait until 9-00, have a fight, try to have time to take a coupon (if you didn't have time, then repeat, perhaps several times), then go to "lectures" for several days, then get a Mir card from Sberbank, then wait for an order. Received an "order", you can relax for a couple of days - the first "tranche" (about 6000 thousand) is in your pocket. But then it turns out that being unemployed is the same job for us. Three to four days a week will have to be spent on empty trips to different parts of the city in order to put a stamp in the direction, which in 90% of cases is a "fake". A good part of the allowance will be spent on travel expenses. It is practically impossible to be "unemployed" and to "mouse" like self-employed somewhere.

[Crowe]

It’s not so with us. A friend is standing, I know. I collected a package of documents in just a couple of days, put it on record in twenty minutes. I have to sign every two weeks that I’m still unemployed, I distribute the queue so that I’m sitting for twenty minutes without any abuse. they put 9700 for a month. Two times a month they pay as an advance and a salary. The world map because the exchange only works with Sberbank, it has a savings book, and they transfer it there after it goes off until everything is on time. It’s bad that the vacancies it’s not enough, they say, they can write you something like a direction, but not the fact that they will take it. There are job listings, I went to the site of the city labor exchange for fun, and suddenly something will fall over to me, but there are such positions that either a long-term experience with a qualification of exorbitant discharge, or a guard for a salary is less than a benefit or a pension, and a disabled person can not even try at all. It is difficult for the healthy.

[pmkemcity]

I forgot to add obligatory (two to three times a month) visits to various events in the employment center, such as lectures, job fairs and open door days.

[Crowe]

We don’t have such a thing. You live in a large city, probably, if everything is like this. And ours would be happy to help people, but not much can be done. Although they don’t scoff. I wish you to find a job as soon as possible, in our time there will be no pitchfork if at least they didn’t put a pension at all, like me. All the best, don’t be sick and do not despair, although it’s difficult at the present time with our officials. In a large city it’s easier to find work, believe me and do not despair. In small cities it’s even worse with work.

[Andrey Shch]

Do not cheat, there is no such "obligation". They can offer, but not compel.

[Dimy4]

There are lists of vacancies, I went to the site of the city labor exchange for fun, and suddenly something gets me, but there are such positions that either a long-term experience with a qualification of exorbitant level, or a caretaker for wages is less than allowance or pension, and a disabled person can generally Do not even try. It’s difficult for the healthy.

The current employer needs the employee to be 25 years old, 2 higher educations and 10 years of experience. To prove that you are a specialist is useless, some young fool in the personnel department with ram's insistence will repeat that you know nothing., Got a job as a power engineer (they asked if there were computer skills). And as a watchman for such ridiculous salaries, it makes no sense to get comfortable at home.

[regdan]

No matter what you have done for the country, it is important what the country has done for you.

[SeregaBoss]

And I think there is no need to help them. I am 100% sure that each of this type of self-employed is underpaid and deceives, and I don’t need Lala. Each IP specialist and medium business thinks how to hide and take out what they have earned, what’s wrong?
Do you still believe that in Germany I got it? Yeah, there, too, you have to go through hell and prove that you are in a puddle.
And what does the author see where the taxes go? Well would tell where?

[AA17]

Dear, SeryogaBoss (Sergei Georgievich). Self-employed and Individual Entrepreneurs are Russian citizens who, after the massive closure of industrial enterprises throughout Russia, were "squeezed into the market." Their number ranges from 18 million to 22 million. Often these are people who are creative, talented, with "golden hands", who respect their work and want to receive a decent salary for their Labor. These are the Citizens of Russia, who may have evaded state supervision, but they never counted on help from the State. Because there was a conditional agreement: the State does not interfere in the affairs of the Self-Employed, and the Self-Employed close their eyes to all the arts of the State in foreign and domestic policy. Good or Bad is a separate question. The self-employed have accepted the terms and conditions of the Market, they have entered the Market. But now the conditions of the Market have changed dramatically. What should these people do now? Each of them has a family. Now the Self-employed are offered to self-isolate, and then they will have to self-destruct? If they do not receive any help, then under the current circumstances they will be driven into difficult conditions. We will get a category of people who already have "nothing to lose but their chains." These people can become that catalyst in the processes leading to change .... The former Self-employed will be the driving force. These people will become that "Spark from which the Flame will kindle."
P.S. I foresee a question about the Leader. A new Leader will appear because most citizens of Russia have a request.

[pmkemcity]

Quote: AA17

Good or Bad is a separate issue.

[Alt 22]

Yes that's right.
In fact, people earned their own lives (also creating a circulation of goods and services, reviving the economy), and now - the state has deprived all of these people of the opportunity to earn their own money, the vast majority giving nothing in return!

[gost2012]

Quote: Alt22

Yes that's right.
In fact, people earned their own lives (also creating a circulation of goods and services, reviving the economy), and now - the state has deprived all of these people of the opportunity to earn their own money, the vast majority giving nothing in return!

The state did not deprive anyone of anything, the virus did not invent, and did not spread. They earned money on their own, did not pay taxes - they enjoyed the benefits of the state system for free, at the expense of others. The state allows this at the current level of loyalty to people - even if only so. So after that it’s also bad and should! there was something to give and provide!
The state respects the interests of the entire population if quarantine causes inconvenience to some part of the population, reducing the risks to the rest - not monetary, but the risks of losing health or death - this is what it does right.
You can understand the dissatisfaction - they closed the barbecue, where to get the money? To pay for a wheelbarrow on a loan, for a son to study, a daughter gets married - it’s time to unfasten the young man’s apartment fee ... This is all understandable, but how about responsibility for the health and lives of other people who may well suffer from these benefits specific terpily?

[Alt 22]

I usually do not answer the Kremlin boats.
BUT: "We earned money on our own, we didn't pay taxes - we enjoyed the benefits of the state system for nothing" - here the key word is "We earned it FORWARD." The state has deprived people of this opportunity.

As for "taxes not paid" - these are the problems of the tax system, which offers completely inadequate taxes for business.

"Enjoyed the benefits" - what exactly? For roads - they pay a road tax included in the price of gasoline, and other "free" benefits are actually or directly or indirectly financed and out of their pocket, or introduced by the state itself and are compulsory - for example, education.

"The state respects the interests of the entire population, if the quarantine will inconvenience some part of the population, reducing the risks of the rest - not monetary, but the risks of loss of health or death - so it is doing the right thing." - you are wrong. If the state has deprived some of the people who previously fed themselves of the opportunity to earn money, then it MUST at least feed them. Why in other countries people normally give money, and only in Russia - give a fig?

"they closed the barbecue, where the money can be taken" - oh you, the barbecue! Is it normal that dentistry was closed? That lost their earnings, for example, master finishers who do not work at a construction site - is it good? Hairdressers, car services, all feeding themselves - do you have a "barbecue" category?

"But how about the responsibility for the health and lives of other people" - but ask Sobyanin this question, thanks to whom there are crowds of people in the metro. In the subway, it means that people do not get sick, do not (And to drive a personal car alone - and you will become infected and infect others, pay a fine, right? Your logic is limping on all four hooves!

[gost2012]

Quote: Alt22

BUT: "We earned money on our own, we didn't pay taxes - we enjoyed the benefits of the state system for nothing" - here the key word is "We earned it FORWARD." The state has deprived people of this opportunity.

As for "taxes not paid" - these are the problems of the tax system, which offers completely inadequate taxes for business.

"Enjoyed the benefits" - what exactly? For roads - they pay a road tax included in the price of gasoline, and other "free" benefits are actually or directly or indirectly financed and out of their pocket, or introduced by the state itself and are compulsory - for example, education.

"The state respects the interests of the entire population, if the quarantine will inconvenience some part of the population, reducing the risks of the rest - not monetary, but the risks of loss of health or death - so it is doing the right thing." - you are wrong. If the state has deprived some of the people who previously fed themselves of the opportunity to earn money, then it MUST at least feed them. Why in other countries people normally give money, and only in Russia - give a fig?

"they closed the barbecue, where the money can be taken" - oh you, the barbecue! Is it normal that dentistry was closed? That lost their earnings, for example, master finishers who do not work at a construction site - is it good? Hairdressers, car services, all feeding themselves - do you have a "barbecue" category?

"But how about the responsibility for the health and lives of other people" - but ask Sobyanin this question, thanks to whom there are crowds of people in the metro. In the subway, it means that people do not get sick, do not (And to drive a personal car alone - and you will become infected and infect others, pay a fine, right? Your logic is limping on all four hooves!

Thieves earn their own money, and the state deprives them of such an opportunity. A person who does not pay taxes is a thief.
With taxes they contain the police, the Ministry of Emergencies, medicine, education, the army protects the state as a whole.
We used the benefits of medicine, police protection, municipal services, a school for children, subsidies for the region, etc. Some pay, others earn on their own, and do not pay. Do not pay - it means thieves, stole from those who pay.
If the activities of a good tax-paying person are dangerous for citizens, the state is obliged to stop the activity and is not obliged to give anything in return. I don’t understand why they are lingering, everything had to be tougher. And I don’t understand how on this site the fans of Communists and Stalin saliva and smear their snot, which gave us something very cruel and not humane and little, and this is the very soft, very liberal and directly wasteful actions of the authorities. Although they should have demanded tightening the screws and dictate in the interests of the country.
Barbecue is no worse than a car service and a private dentist. We change in my top post for a dentist or a tiler-facing worker, working on a pocket and stealing taxes - and what? what is changing?
And in the end - the state allocates just help, 12, this is not to die of hunger, it is help, and not means to travel somewhere, buy something, and for entertainment. This is not the content, this is just help, and then lips were pouting - they need thousands of euros ...

[Alt 22]

“Thieves also make money on their own” - and I'm talking about people who do not break the law.
"and the state deprives them of this opportunity" - yes, people earned money legally, but the state deprived them of this opportunity.
"A person who does not pay taxes is a thief" - no, just a tax evader. Personally, I consider thieves and pests those who stole this opportunity from people who honestly earned their living.

"Enjoyed the benefits" - and so that people are more willing to pay taxes, you decided to deprive them of their earnings ??? Your place in the State Duma, bravo!
People are to blame for something - so put them in jail, and feed them there. And do not be cunningly twisted, depriving them of the opportunity to earn, and not feeding them in return.

“I don’t understand why they are almond-shaped, everything had to be made tougher” - to shoot everyone who did not pay taxes?

“And I don’t understand how the fans of the Communists and Stalin are splashing saliva and snot on this site, which is very cruel and not humane and they gave us little” - under Stalin, something was under construction, you are not even worthy of mentioning his name! Under Stalin, food became cheaper, and not more expensive, as under you.

"working for his pocket and stealing taxes" - bureaucrats in power steal taxes, and the various taxpayers simply do not pay them. And for this you decided to starve all non-payers to death, do I understand you correctly? Yes, even Hitler is resting next to you, not like the harsh Stalin.

“And in the end - the state allocates aid, 12 - don’t tell me. It doesn’t allocate, but“ allocates ”- it is unrealistic to get this aid, well, and - a considerable part of these 0002 thousand is simply wasted on transportation costs, because the labor exchange sends "for show" people try to find a job in different jobs, where they are not needed and which they do not need. Well, this help is allocated not to everyone who really needs it.
Nobody talks about "thousands of euros" - but the authorities do not even give these kopecks to people, having surrounded everything with tons of bureaucracy so that they receive less aid.

[Catfish]

And I think there is no need to help them. I am 100% sure that each of this type of self-employed is underpaid and deceives, and I don’t need Lala.

Where does such confidence come from? But not every person is a swindler.

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: Serge Boss

Do you still believe that in Germany I got it? Yeah, there, too, you have to go through hell and prove that you are in a puddle.

No, in Germany they pay quickly, without any special checks. And there are no such layoffs, because the government supported the business.

[rocket757]

People hoped for .... but I don’t know what they hoped for in such a state!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: rocket757

Yes, I don’t know what they hoped for in such a state!

Yes, they could at least reduce the payment for a communal apartment to cost.

[rocket757]

They could be used for citizens to do something necessary, useful!
We could, in due time, more thoroughly understand, think!
And as a result, we have that it is difficult for the masses of people, but above .... at the top, it seems, in different ways! That is, as to your loved ones, this is one thing, but how to us, down here, it’s completely different there!
However, nothing unusual, consider it everywhere!
This thought does not touch, because we still remember that it could have been different!

[pmkemcity]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Yes, they could at least reduce the payment for a communal apartment to cost.

Okay, really! At least they didn’t.

[savage1976]

Roman, you don’t have to lie at all. In Germany, they do not give out 9000 euros to self-employed, but to small and medium-sized businesses, and not to employees, but to the economic development of the company and not just like that, but at the end of the year it will be necessary to report on each euro spent. Yes, it seems like they give money, but that's just not there and not like you write. And for the sake of justice, our authorities also provide support to individual and small, medium-sized entrepreneurs. For example, Belgorod, canceled rental payments from non-working during a pandemic entrepreneurs. Is this not a help? In Germany they gave money to pay for them, we were exempted from payment. Rent of 30000 rubles a month,
which you don’t have to pay, a month has already passed, another one is ahead, a total of 60000 rubles of help. But this is not help, of course, in your opinion. The result is the same, assistance to organizations and business, and how it is presented is different, there is where the imagination is applied.

[rocket757]

Quote: savage1976

Yes, it seems like they give money, but that's just not there and not like you write.

Everywhere is different, but the general trend is EVERYWHERE that a lot of people are left with nothing ... and this is not the end !!!

[savage1976]

The question is not who is harder. Many people find it hard and many want help. The question is how to present it. It is beautifully painted how people all over the world are given money for beautiful eyes, and even in rubles they show what huge amounts are (for us far from everyone has such income at work), but in reality it turns out that they don’t give out, not to people, not by eyes . And of course we have everything in offshore accounts and of course they personally belong to the gdp.

[rocket757]

Quote: savage1976

The question is how to present it.

They write a lot of nonsense! Just do not figure it out properly, but the masters of veiled deception do not stand aside.

Quote: savage1976

And of course we have everything in offshore accounts and of course they personally belong to the gdp.

We also have different ways.
Even if it was planned from above to provide assistance to the most affected, poorly provided, it is not a fact that it will reach them in the right form, at the right time! How to warm, vertical control. we have its own twists and turns. At the moment, it is simply dangerous for the population!

[Yaik Cossack]

savage1976
Do you live abroad, since you know everything so well? Or on the television channel of the Simonyan family of thieves, judge the west? In Finland, self-employed are given 2 thousand euros. Gratis, that is, for nothing. Gives the Office of Kela, clearance via the Internet. With this money, a family may well live and pay a communal apartment. Do not shout, but also do not live in poverty

[savage1976]

I do not know what in Finland, it was about Germany. Information on what measures are being taken in Germany is full on the Internet. Anyone can read. And since the author of the article wants to give just her as an example, let him give it as it is, and not as it is more convenient for him to present it. The site already had an article about Russia and getting unemployment benefits in Russia. The author is not very sweating. And with these funds you can also pay a communal apartment and live not richly, but you won’t reach your legs from hunger.

[Yaik Cossack]

You do not know about Germany, do not flatter yourself. In Moscow, a communal apartment for an apartment of 75 meters will take at least half of the 12 thousand rubles of benefits. For 6 thousand, can a family eat a month? Well, only if bread and pasta, that is, do not receive good nutrition.

Of the 2000 euros of benefits in Finland, a communal apartment will cost a maximum of 200 euros for the same apartment (70 - electricity, 30 - water, 100 - cleaning and maintenance). The cost of the products is a large package (400 grams) of sausages - 2 euros, chicken - 5-6. Natural ham (that is, without soy) - 20-25 euros a kilo. Lightly salted trout 150 gr - 4 euros. A full meal for a family will cost no more than 200 euros per week.

By the way, the most important Russian patriots of Rotenberg, including the last Hero of Russia, are citizens of Finland. Why all of a sudden?

[savage1976]

The main thing is that you already know everything. Glad for you that you are in Finland.

[Yaik Cossack]

Clearly, you have nothing to object to. All your revealing “pathos” of criticism of Western support measures was reasonably blown away. Since I switched to personalities, I am from Russia. Unlike the heroes of Russia Rotenberg.

[Varyag71]

Where do you come from? Who gave birth to you? Who brought up? I already believe that all such an abomination arises from one vat. Like clones. All thoughts are similar, as are actions.

[savage1976]

So you do not know about Finland, but you lie so confidently.
Apparently a feature of all fighters with a redhead to lie for the sake of the common good. https://www.hibiny.com/news/archive/212040/ and again it’s not for everyone, not just like that, and not just spend it.

[Yaik Cossack]

But I do not advise you to take propaganda garbage in your mouth. The reality of Finland is not known to me from the Khibin sites, but directly and personally)))

[savage1976]

Don’t put it in your mouth; nobody forces you.

[Yaik Cossack]

Well, persuaded, I will no longer convince you that you do not juggle and cheat. This, apparently, is your favorite pastime. You could not refute what I said. About the fact that “not everyone will receive 2000 euros” in Finland is a typical demagogy on your part. The proportion of self-employed with tax debt in Finland is very small. You see, it is customary to pay taxes there))) Well, to help those who do not need help - why?
But this elementary logic to Zaputinians like you is obviously inaccessible.
But your favorite Putiners will probably give each and every one 12 thousand rubles, yeah, they just started ... the session of unheard of generosity is about to begin)))

[malyvalv]

So everything is in a bunch in Finland? For 2000 euros for a brother without problems?
I will look at them in September - October. When export from all of Europe collapses completely, and from Finland in the first place. There is not much left of their industry there. And there are no resources at all. Golem service and a little C / X almost like in the USA. For which there is no solvent demand except for these 2000 euros for a long time to come. But euro reserves are not endless.

[Yaik Cossack]

I completely agree with you - tip to these Finns. What they thought up is giving out money to the population. In general, everything will be bad for them))) The fact that they have neither gas nor oil, and the average salary of about 3400 euros per month is a complete coincidence. Whether it is in neighboring Karelia, in the same climate and geography - as much as about 250 euros per month. So, the Finns will flee from difficulties to Karelia in droves in the fall from their “golem service” ... here you are a prophet.

True, damned statistics say that the Finns even manage to sell industrial products to Germany, and around the world - chemical products, mechanical engineering (engines) and paper, but Russia, which has risen from its knees, is forcing ore, round wood and energy resources into Finland. But I share your confidence that the Finns are covered, the main thing is only for us to have time to save the Rotenbergs from there.

[Yaik Cossack]

And in general, these Finns have nothing sacred. While in Russia free school lunches are going to be introduced at the constitutional level for the elementary grades, in the spiritless Finland they dared to start feeding all schoolchildren as much as about 60 years ago. This is clearly done provocatively in the future to slander the successes of the new powerful Russia and its caring leaders.

[Sergej1972]

Is there a self-employed category in Finland? Maybe we are talking about people in the liberal professions or small entrepreneurs?

[Revival]

Japan, the government decided to pay each citizen of the state ($ 926).

[AlexVas44]

Quote: savage1976

... canceled rental payments from unemployed during the pandemic ...

With tenants it’s clear they don’t pay. But do landlords have any help, is this their business?

[savage1976]

And the landlord also has help, the question is what, not the landlord, I don’t know. But the landlord is no longer an individual entrepreneur or a small business. There is a different level. And it’s not entirely clear how to help them, the situations are different everywhere, in mine, the landlord on the first floor has five plows in full, on the second Prom goods, they are closed. Does the tenant need help? Profit will decrease, yes. Go bankrupt? Vryatli. It’s hard for him, but the tenant who is left without work and income is also not easy. All situations are different, and it is not realistic to disassemble each one on the forum. But in fact, is there help? There is. Therefore, they loudly declared that we were abandoned, we all do not care, the authorities are not doing anything as deceitful as telling that money is being distributed all over the world, and in Russia they are being taken offshore.

[Revival]

Well, at your approach, you allocated one ruble to one person and ALL can’t be said that help is not provided! Well, it just turns out a little different, right? Only so much that 1% and 99% differ

[savage1976]

Well, at your approach, and you do not live in Germany and are not a German citizen and pay taxes not as a German citizen, why should the Russian government help you as a German citizen? For German help, please contact Germany, your order is there.

[Revival]

Clearly, you have 0 arguments.
And how can you argue against the facts, the state is there for help, we have no help.
We are one people, united, solidarity, zeroed.
It is difficult now to engage in "defense", I understand ..

[savage1976]

And what was there to argue?

[Revival]

State of Japan: payment to all citizens of the country who did not pay taxes, who partially paid and those who paid in full.
We have rallied: ~ 0.

[savage1976]

Would you like in Japan?

[Sergej1972]

In Japan, there are citizens who did not pay taxes?

[Revival]

And what do you say that we have all of these, but not one?

[Varyag71]

If you do not know, then do not open your mouth

[savage1976]

You’ll spit out your male pricks first, then try to talk with people.

[Varyag71]

You better share your experience elsewhere. Like you do not belong here

[savage1976]

You are absolutely right, I certainly do not belong to lovers of lick male causalities.

[pmkemcity]

In Germany they gave money to pay for them, we were exempted from payment.

Pay rent for idle space? The German would have abandoned everything, and then re-took the arena. It’s not possible with us, because the landlord is alone.

[savage1976]

And of course you hear about the contract for the first time. Any agreement stipulates a time period for notifying the lessor or lessee of the termination of cooperation. For example 2 months. And where will you take out the equipment, goods? In field? Sitting on the couch it’s good to imagine yourself as a burgher and tell him how to live. That's just from this you will not become.

[pmkemcity]

In any contract there is force majeure. Capitalists, unlike us, often use this. And what "burgher", I'm sorry, rents a bare room? Is that under the warehouse. Do not transfer our realities to someone else's reality. I handed over the keys, hands in trousers and "hello Vasya", that is, "Petiya".

[savage1976]

Force majeure is prescribed in the contract, it is unlikely that the coronavirus is registered in them. And in order for this situation to become force majeure, there must be a decision by the authorities to recognize this situation as such. In minor contracts force majeure is most often omitted and is absent as a clause of the contract.

[pmkemcity]

The precedent rules there, and much is not spelled out in contracts, implying "custom", and many contracts in general "in words".

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: savage1976

For example, Belgorod, canceled rental payments from non-working during a pandemic entrepreneurs. Is this not a help? In Germany they gave money to pay for them, we were exempted from payment. Rent of 30000 rubles a month,
which you don’t have to pay, a month has already passed, another one is ahead, a total of 60000 rubles of help. But this is not help, of course, in your opinion. The result is the same

No, not the same one! And whoever rents out the area, if this is not a state, what about his income? So the state in Germany helps both, but in the Russian Federation it turns out they throw someone?

[savage1976]

Do you understand the difference between entrepreneurs, small, medium and large businesses? Apparently not very.

[Sergej1972]

The one who rents out the area is more likely to refer at least to medium, and most often to large business.

[parusnik]

But the fact and the fact that with each such "effective step" confidence in the state is falling.

Roman, "you slander our family, it is a sin" (c) .. Confidence grows, every hour .. Happy holiday to all, International Attic Day!

[leshiy076]

For example, I didn’t even try to contact the state for help. Despite quarantine, our industry works (construction). I received permission in the prescribed manner for myself and for the staff, and it seemed as if nothing had happened. I will not ask for anything from the state for two reasons. The first reason. Still, I work, my head and hands are in place, this quarantine created certain inconveniences for me, but there are many people who have had much worse. The second reason. To get those pennies that the state envisaged as support to people and business, you need to spend so much time that spending the same amount of time not my direct work, I will get more.

[veritas]

Let us, putting one hand in my heart and the other in my wallet, give ourselves the answer to the question (only honestly): is it a joy about citizens or a porn film?

It’s even hard to say what it is. Rather, a cynical and indifferent attitude towards those who are hard. Why should people ask the state? And the state does not ask people, it just takes away when and how much it sees fit. Here, according to the survey, the majority does not even ask the state for help, and not because it is not needed, but because in this case it is not realistic to get it, but in others, it will be necessary to fill in so many pieces of paper and spend so much time and nerves that the majority refuses do it.

[Camrad]

The governor of Sevastopol on April 21 promised an allowance for children of any age - 3000 rubles, promised that money will be received in 2-3 days from the application. The result is that during these 8 days the institution changed in which you need to submit documents and the application form (in the end, all the work of collecting information fell on class teachers in schools), respectively, a lot of time spent and zero money.

[Keyser soze]

I can say as we have in Bulgaria ...

You can register to the exchange online without visiting
The government pays employers contributions to the budget and workers' salaries, if they are not dismissed, in the ratio of 60/40.
Some guilds and self-employed, as artists and in the field of culture, give a separate allowance
Licensed loans for small companies and citizens - about 750 million were allocated there
Now they are thinking of a second package of measures, because dissatisfaction is growing and seems to be of help to small companies, helicopter money, but this is not certain ...

In general, unemployment in the country grew by several percent and discontent is growing in geometric progression. No matter how the eta crisis ends, the Government is not a tenant and, at the next election (2021), is going to landfill. Or maybe earlier ...

[malyvalv]

Help is almost the same as in Russia. But I do not think that our government will go to the landfill in the 21st year.

[Van 16]

"The state owes you nothing" - that's the whole policy of our state.

[Ross xnumx]

Some thoughts about helping the population from the state.
What the COVID-19 pandemic brought with it to Russia cannot be described in general terms.
The state, including its entire apparatus of persuasion, information and coercion, has shown complete failure in the organization of quarantine. For some reason, IMU thought that it was fines and other requisitions that would play a major role in the PREVENTION and (probably) TREATMENT of the disease. From all slots they say about quarantine, but do not offer ways to stay in such conditions for a long time. The authorities show some kind of absolute apathy towards those who “continue to survive” the pandemic, while committing administrative violations established by law long before that!
There are people who are forced to work, despite the risk of illness. Many thanks to all service workers and medical personnel helping citizens to find themselves in hopeless domestic and everyday situations.
I do not hope and do not intend to receive material assistance from the state. I manage my own retirement benefits. I completely agree with those who believe that the government is obliged to compensate for the damage to the injured citizens (those who closed the business, lost their jobs, etc.), which arose as a result of its "sensitive leadership and paternal care."
To date, I have only one opinion: no one knows how and when this situation can end. Uncertainty and suspense in all matters, except for one thing: prices will rise, and living from this will become worse and sadder.

[Oleg Skvortsov]

For starters, what do people think about when they register as self-employed? can't wait to part with the blood money? have a great desire to feed a horde of offshore managers?

[Andrey Shch]

Well, what is incomprehensible here? People get a penny for their lives. Someone doesn’t pay in principle, but someone wants to work calmly and not look around, especially since we have these control and monitoring bodies like dirt. Here are registered. But about the horde of offshore managers is unclear. Who are they? And why are they fed by the self-employed?

[AU Ivanov.]

Surprised by the increase in retirement age? I personally do not. In a country where almost 40% of taxes are either not paid at all or paid according to gray schemes, such a decision was predictable

[Maks1995]

Right. It is necessary to help Rosneft, Gazprom. ((((
And earlier they helped, and they will help .... this is a forge of cadres and parallel work for the government. How can one not allocate money for salaries to business colleagues?

It’s not for Vasya to give the self-employed. Who is he to the former Gazprom and Medvedev Usmanov? No one ....

[ZaharoFF]

The largest fund, no matter what it is called NWF or StabFond. They praise it very much, well, it’s wonderful, only nothing can be spent from it - this will lead to terrible inflation. So what is the foundation for? Help only your close ones? And the rest? The state does not give a shit about us. Here is how it looks.

[malyvalv]

In recent years, money in the economy was sorely lacking. You can now spend a little.

[EvilLion]

What, the state did not give the author a new phone? And on what basis?

[Graz]

Putin will have enormous problems with re-election in 2024, if he does, he will not cope with the crisis now

[andrew42]

Unfortunately, Putin will have no problems with his re-election in 2024. There are two options: either in 3 years the "patriotic oligarchy singers" will blabber the whole current crisis, or the tired "rower" will replace himself with a new "overseer." at the post of the Order-Man-Guarantor of the bourgeois assets.

[Alt 22]

It turns out that Ukrainian rake running is contagious ...

[iouris]

Quote: Graz

there will be huge problems with re-election in 2024

Those with active suffrage can only have real problems.

[led]

In the section for legal entities (perhaps a little not self-employed, but the meaning is the same), there is my appeal to the "banks ru": Good afternoon, yesterday we prepared and sent documents for an interest-free loan on salaries, today we received a refusal from the bank. The reason is a bad credit history of an individual, which is listed in the staffing table (from the general director, if it matters). Clarification - past credit history. Since at the moment neither the person nor our company (Tourism) has loans, there are no delays. I just called the Central Bank of the Russian Federation on the hotline, the answer is unequivocal. Even if there were problems and delays at the moment - this is not a reason for refusal, refusal is illegal. They asked to leave a complaint.

Thus, the 8-year trouble-free history of cooperation with the bank is not the basis for the issuance of such a loan. The director’s lack of loans, delinquencies, any other problems - is also not an argument. Here you have someone somewhere made a delay 5 years ago, deposited money on a credit card late. All. It's enough.

[jekasimf]

In fact, any adult who does not work officially, but who does not receive any benefits from the state, is self-employed. Because he eats anyway, he eats. Utilities still pay and feeds his children. But at the same time he does not ask the state for anything .And about taxes, although not directly, but any adult takes part in the economic chain. And creates an increase in GDP. Although, he is a consumer of goods and a payer for services.

[0389db]

Quote: jekasimf

But at the same time he is not asking the state for anything.

Interesting logic. And his children do not go to school and kindergarten, he does not go to the hospital? Apparently, too, I have long since learned to fly, so as not to use roads and sidewalks built for taxes. The police, in which case, should not deal with his issues either, because he does not ask the state for anything.
The state's support measures are, of course, strange, it was possible to do much easier, to pay all those who lost their jobs due to self-isolation some percentage of last year's average wages. At the same time, the salary for the last year will be determined by the tax paid, and all, all disadvantaged "entrepreneurs" and "self-employed" will immediately calm down. In fact, no one pays taxes from them and is not going to pay, but they are the first to run for help.
According to the situation in Kuzbass, so far everything is stable, 98% of my friends both worked and work. They sat on the fifth point and scream that they were infringed only by all sorts of parasites, traders, hacks and hucksters. All those who worked in real production continue to work and none of them asked for help, because neither of which has essentially changed.

[Alt 22]

We state the fact that in the Russian Federation the state only supports the state and the business structures it needs, and not the people. The authorities of the Russian Federation are not interested in supporting people.

[UAZ 452]

After 1991, when the people who voted to preserve the USSR stayed home, quickly and almost bloodlessly destroying this very USSR, it became clear even to the most dull people that the support of this very population was worth nothing. And we have not had a people for a long time.

[maiman61]

Laughing! By God! Fall of the "economy"? Ha ha ha! How can something that does not fall!

[Bersaglieri]

"The main thing is to save Sechin and the Rotenbergs!"

[16112014nk]

Share: anyone like?
With our officials who have lost all human attributes, nothing. In the mid-90s there was an attempt to register on the stock exchange - complete reluctance on the part of bureaucrats to fulfill their duties - to help those who lost their jobs. Now I think the situation of the unemployed is even worse.

[Nikita, f]

About (cf @ nno) e state -___- we never thought about people, probably they just don’t consider us, here, probably, the owner of the savings bank is a person in Putin’s eyes, the Human Being with a capital letter, and the people are so serfs, they’ll die out and don't give a shit

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: CAM

Will you be friends with the interventionists?

It will not be worse

[Virus-free crown]

The answer is simple - roughly speaking, I am that "self-employed" - although I officially work - but I don't have a salary - everything I did - everything is mine)

Our company in Moscow time was closed for "NON-quarantine" in mid-March - and now all this disgrace has been extended until mid-May ... The entire office building was closed, and even the Manager of the office building cannot enter ...

We didn’t announce the emergency, we will EXACTLY not complete the work on the CONTRACT by May 1 - our company is bankrupt ... and the state ... and that state ... didn’t hit one finger and will NOT hit us to save us ...

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Gost2012

Quote: Normal ok

Quote: Gost2012

But half would get sick, some would die, some would burn the lungs, then who should shout the glory? And not the fact that orders would have remained at the same time.

Do you specifically not notice that the article (and comments) are not talking about the virus, but about the attitude of the authorities towards ordinary people?

What about the relationship of these people to power? How do you think everything is mutually
Just kidding
People, especially the local forum population, are too infantile, for some reason they think that the tasks of building their own life are not on them, but on someone else, and everyone around them owes them something.

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I haven't taken a penny from the state for the last 30 years - I earned, paid taxes, got out myself - I never even applied to a free clinic during this time ... and now I'm like in a joke "The sheriff's blacks don't care about the problems !!!"

[Russian jacket]

The son works at the Domodedovo airport. The employer put some of the staff at 0.2 wages. Applied for a mortgage vacation. I collected documents twice. There is no answer yet. Rosbank. And this is in Moscow. In the regions, the situation is much worse. Judging by the Irkutsk region. It's good that his father has an income that will be enough to help and livelihood. I’ll say right away that I’m not an entrepreneur, but a production worker. This is how the "Wishlist" of our galley slave is performed. Business is simply not a roar, but a squeak, the device put it. I will help my son, no question. But .... At least 9 people in my family will vote for the devil, but not for the "lame leader of the Siberian Cranes" or his successor.

[Chaldon48]

I’m a pensioner with a disability of the 2nd group (cancer of the right lung), and I have the feeling that people like me are looked at as waste material, the ballast of society.

[UAZ 452]

And not only here, alas. This is unambiguously evidenced by the fact that in European countries, until recently, they did not restrict the visiting of old people in nursing homes by their relatives, even when everyone was already aware of the super-infectiousness of the "crown" and its super-danger specifically for this category of citizens.
Judging by the deeds, and not by the pronouncements made aloud, the burden of social programs is not opposed in any country in the world.

[NordUral]

I'll start with the main thing:

I don’t want to talk about the fall of our, so to speak, “economy”. Let it fall, maybe it will at least somehow sober up all those who blindly believe Kiselev, Soloviev and Mishustin. They work, that's a fact.

But the fact and the fact that with each such "effective step" confidence in the state is falling.

And the main thing in my opinion is that we do not have a state. There is a thieves' company that seized power and property of the people. And we naively believe that the country is ruled by

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: NordUral

And the main thing in my opinion is that we do not have a state

Exactly ... planes fly by themselves. Trains - by themselves, I’m silent about metro-trams-buses.
Electricity itself starts at the outlet. From dampness, probably. The water in the tap, by the way, is also itself. Also from damp.
Buns will be born directly in the store. Sami, essno. Everything that is not bread in the store will also be born on its own.
The border is guarded by an army of ghosts, probably. With ballistic missiles and other good things, og.

Nordural surely still no state?

Quote: NordUral

There is a thieves company that seized power and property of the people

That's a moot point. But then, you answer my first

[NordUral]

Nordural, surely there is still no state?

My answer is Hamovaty Jack. In the early 90s, bandits came over me, I had to pay tribute, I'm not a hero. So, according to your logic, did they manage the company?
So they ran into the country and "lead" as they can.

And so the second question for me is not at all controversial, but clear, like a baby's tear.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: NordUral

... they have run over the country and "lead" as they can ...

... at the same time, note that no one else is in charge, and everything, in general, works. I listed above what exactly, and so - this is not all, but only a small part of "everything".

So the analogy with the bandits' hitting on you doesn’t roll on a campaign - there you were still leading the company, and they only removed the fat from you.

And here - somehow it doesn’t look like they have “run over”. No need, buddy ... try again or something

[NordUral]

No, Jack. The analogy is complete, no matter how you spin. And in general, this is my last answer to you, you are tired of me.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: NordUral

The analogy is complete, no matter how you spin

Turn around you, buddy.

If your bandits took away your company, there would be an analogy with the model that you are trying to sell here. But then your company would be bent, and very soon.

Those who have come to lead now are far from ideal, esesso. But they direct, and at the same time, I repeat -

Quote: Golovan Jack

everything in general works

So your

Quote: NordUral

we do not have a state. There is a thieves company that seized power and property of the people

- there is nonsense. Patented. The phrase, of course, catchy, but has nothing to do with reality.

Something like that. Buddy

[NordUral]

I will not dissuade, time will tell. Good luck in this reality, Golovan. And bye!

[Gegemon]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Exactly ... planes fly by themselves. Trains - by themselves, I’m silent about metro-trams-buses.
Electricity itself starts at the outlet. From dampness, probably. The water in the tap, by the way, is also itself. Also from damp.
Buns will be born directly in the store. Sami, essno. Everything that is not bread in the store will also be born on its own.
The border is guarded by an army of ghosts, probably. With ballistic missiles and other good things, og.
Nordural, surely there is still no state? wink

They’re dreaming about something, about the troubles ..

Quote: NordUral

My answer is Hamovaty Jack. In the early 90s, bandits came over me, I had to pay tribute, I'm not a hero. So, according to your logic, did they manage the company?
So they ran into the country and "lead" as they can.

And so the second question for me is not at all controversial, but clear, like a baby's tear.

And you Evgeny clearly dream of a redistribution of power and property in Russia .. you are a former hater of the USSR and socialism? After all, even now, having lost your business and being angry with the authorities of the 90s, you are here teaching us life and socialism with your nickname and avatar .. And there are many such now divorced .. like "patriots" ready for anything .. Just to return the lost .. I right?

Quote: NordUral

No, Jack. The analogy is complete, no matter how you spin. And in general, this is my last answer to you, you are tired of me.

Here is your essence and the gang here, which is like "patriots" Jack cracks you like nuts, your essence .. !!!!
Jack, well, I don’t know what to call you, but YOUNG !!!!
You are a talented beater ..Eka how they got bloated and offended .. Good luck! and don’t remember dashing ..

[Glagol1]

Our company, 60 people, was bombed by the tax in 2018, we have been sitting at the same address since 1999, the same LLC, we had more than the average industry tax burden, but the tax came from GDP, and that’s all.
They put out a ruinous fine, fines, arrested bills, and that’s all, the business died.
But we did pay 20 million a year, a purely trading business. Why are we doing this?
I used to be loyal to the state-woo, now it is, first of all, Putin is my enemy.

[TANKISTONE]

Something alarming ...

[UAZ 452]

Our government, of course, is always ready to deceive the population. But the population, to be honest and objective, is in full compliance with the authorities, and even will give odds.
The author is a good example of this approach. He himself links the tax on the self-employed with the support of the state. But excuse me: in reality, this tax was paid only in 4 constituent entities of the Russian Federation out of more than 80. 23 are plans that have not yet taken place. And they promised to help (we believe that they will not deceive) everyone. And why compare payments in Great Britain, where tax is collected from everyone, and by no means 4%, and by no means from the amounts declared by our self-employed. In this situation, the ratio of benefits in the Russian Federation and EU countries already looks quite proportional. But no! We want to pay 5 kopecks, but receive for them from the state "as in Europe". Well, dreaming isn't bad.

[Chaldon48]

If only quarantine were universally abolished, otherwise we can’t eat anywhere in Vladivostok during the day, there are no eateries working, only takeaways, you imagine you ordered a piece of chicken to her side dish with sauce, it costs 240 rubles and you need to wait 15-20 minutes on the street, then get 2 cups of flexible plastic with hot contents and again on the street to look for a place to eat all this without getting dirty, it’s a pleasure you won’t get fat!