New Chinese MLRS PHZ-11 fell into the frame

On April 23, 2020, a new 122-mm multiple launch rocket system on a tracked armored chassis under the designation PHZ-11, which is currently being put into service by the Chinese army, was shot in the Chinese information field on the Chinese information field.

This product, most likely, is a modification of the MLRS SR4, mounted on an automotive platform, also called PZL-11. According to Chinese sources, its tracked version of the PHZ-11 uses the same chassis type as the 155-mm self-propelled howitzer PLZ-05 and self-propelled anti-aircraft gun PGZ-09.

By design, the PHZ-11 resembles the American M-270 system. The Chinese MLRS is controlled by a crew of three (driver, gunner and commander). All of them are located in a fully armored cabin in front of the machine, being protected from hit by a small weapons and artillery shell fragments.

The equipment is equipped with a ground-based navigation system and a computerized LMS, which allows for autonomous target designation of the launcher from the battery command post.

PHZ-11 has two launchers, each of which has 20 guides for 122-mm unguided solid-fuel rockets of various types with a range of fire from 15 km to 30 km. After their launch, a special TZM with a crane unloads the fired modules and places new ones. The PHZ-11 only takes a few minutes to prepare for firing, complete a fire mission and quickly curl up to avoid retaliation.

Comments

[Lara Croft]

Judging by the photo, a la MLRS?

[Victor_B]

Quote: Lara Croft

Judging by the photo, a la MLRS?

Interestingly, is it as modular and versatile in caliber?
At least two "packages" are visible, can they be replaced?
Ours, unlike the Americans with their MLRS, are consistently following the path of specializing in MLRS.
For decades, history has not judged which concept is better.
On the other hand, the Americans of the MLRS attach much less importance than Russia.
They have everything on aviation.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Victor_B

Quote: Lara Croft

Judging by the photo, a la MLRS?

Ours, unlike the Americans with their MLRS, are consistently following the path of specializing in MLRS.

Not at all. On the new MLRS "Smerch" our "packages" of guides of different caliber make ...

For decades, history has not judged which concept is better.

It was just that the USSR had a mobilization army, respectively, simplicity was appreciated, not universality ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lara Croft

On the new MLRS "Smerch" our "packages" of guides of different caliber make ...

Actually, "Tornado", but not "Tornado" ... And where did you find such a modification of "Tornado"? Multi-caliber? I'd like to know! Share your knowledge, sir! And a photo, pliz!

[Eugene-Eugene]

I mean "Tornado-S", apparently

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

I mean "Tornado-S", apparently

Yes, rather invisible than visible! That is why "Tornado-S" has bukafka C, which is designed for 300-mm eres "from the Tornado"! The "bicaliber" MLRS is the Uragan-1M system ... (220 mm and 300 mm ...)! According to "rumors", this is how the "Tornado" MLRS was conceived ... just "Tornado"! But Moscow Region again did not agree on "Friday" ... and now ... well, not seven "Fridays in the week" (!) ... but two certainly appeared ("Tornado-G" and "Tornado-S" )! And the only "Friday" ... just like that ... on "Thursday" they wrote down (!) ... the one after the rain! ("Hurricane-1M")

[Nikolaevich I]

PS Indeed, the "multi-caliber" system (and in this capacity "outperform" MLRS ...) is capable of becoming the "Uragan-1M" MLRS! Firstly, I think that without any special problems the "packages" of the "Hurricane-1M" can be "stuffed" with 122-mm eres ... and also given 400-mm ammunition, similar to the Serbian "Zherin-1" ...! In case "if anything ... and so it should!" it will be possible to use Hermes long-range anti-tank missiles and Pantsir-SM hypersonic missiles in conjunction with the Pantsir air defense system ...

[Lara Croft]

[quote = Nikolaevich I] [quote = Eugene-Eugene] I mean "Tornado-S", apparently [/ quote]
Yes, rather invisible than visible! That is why "Tornado-S" has bukafka C, which is designed for 300-mm eres "from the Tornado"! The "Bicaliber" MLRS is the Uragan-1M system ... (220 mm and 300 mm ...) [quote]! According to "rumors", this is how the "Tornado" MLRS was conceived ... just "Tornado"! But Moscow Region again did not agree on "Friday" ... and now ... well, not seven "Fridays in the week" (!) ... but two certainly appeared ("Tornado-G" and "Tornado-S" )! And the only "Friday" ... just like that ... on "Thursday" they wrote down (!) ... the one after the rain! ("Hurricane-1M") [/ quote]
You are angry. And meanwhile:
[Quote]domestic system "Tornado" The main developer is the Splav enterprise. Modifications - “Tornado-S” and “Tornado-G”. The systems are designed to replace the arsenal of the Hurricane, Tornado and Grad systems. Advantages - equipped with universal containers with the ability to replace the guides for the required caliber of ammunition. Ammunition options - caliber 330 mm "Smerch", caliber 220 mm "Hurricane", caliber 122 mm "Grad".
Wheel chassis - "KAMAZ" or "Ural".
It is expected that the Tornado-S will soon have a stronger auto chassis.
MLRS "Tornado" - a new generation of MLRS. The system can start moving immediately after firing a volley, without waiting for the results of hitting the target, the automation of firing is performed at the highest level. [/ Quote]
https://topwar.ru/9792-top-pyaterka-reaktivnyh-sistem-zalpovogo-ognya-otechestvennogo-i-zarubezhnogo-proizvodstva.html

[Lopatov]

Quote: Lara Croft

but two certainly appeared

In fact, they are just modernized versions of "Tornado" and "Grad". And according to the mind they should have been called "Smerch-M" and "Grad-M"

But what is now called "Hurricane-1M" just should have been called "Tornado".
And with a high probability, "Uragan-1M" was precisely the "Tornado" that was abandoned under Serdyukov in favor of the much, much more conservative "Tornado-S" and "Tornado-G"

[venik]

Quote: Spade

And according to the mind they should have been called "Smerch-M" and "Grad-M"

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In-in! I call them so for myself (so as not to get confused). And in general it is not clear: WHAT "manifig" it was necessary for two ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT systems to give the SAME names (differing only by the letter index) ??? To "confuse enemies"? Madhouse! ( ) and only!

[Nikolaevich I]

Answer for Lara Croft: Judging by the given data, you "dug up" ,, ancient fossils "! And ... (indirectly!) You repeated the information given by me ... Why? And here's why!: 1. For a long time no one" stutters "about" Tornado-U "! Nema" Tornado-U "now! But in the first reports of modifications of the" Tornado "(once! ... a long time ago! ...)," Tornado-U "was mentioned, along with "Tornado-G", "Tornado-S"!; 2. "Current" "Tornado-G" and "Tornado-S" have tubular guides, similar to the BM-21 Grad and BM-30 Smerch! touched the chassis, control system, navigation equipment! That is, as I said earlier, it makes sense to call them "Grad-M" and "Smerch-M"! But once again I ask ...: pay attention to my earlier words that there is some infa (or "rumors" if it suits you more ...) that the "current" "Hurricane-1M" was originally (!) "planned" as the basis (base) of the unified (!) Tornado system! Indexes Г, (У), С should "join" the name of the "Tornado" as the "packages" of the PU are equipped with a single (! ) system "Tornado" with one or another "caliber"! But the situation developed, for some reason, otherwise ...: the basis for the unified system "Tornado", presumably (!), Became the MLRS "Uragan-1M", and "Tornado-G" and "Tornado-S" became " myself "...: the" old "tubular guides are left, but the chassis, new ACS (OMS), navigation equipment ... yes, I almost forgot ..." Tornado-G / S "can also be called a" innovation " "eresy"!

[Lara Croft]

Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) Judging by the given data, you "dug up" ,, ancient fossils "! And ... (indirectly!) You repeated the information given by me ...

I do not dispute the index designations of MLRS, maybe I'm wrong .... the main thing is that

our "packages" of guides of different sizes make ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lara Croft

I do not dispute the index designations of MLRS, maybe I'm wrong .... the main thing is that
our "packages" of guides of different sizes make ...

Yes ... "Hurricane-1M"! ... Which "should" be originally, according to some sources, a single "Tornado" system!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Quote: Lara Croft

I do not dispute the index designations of MLRS, maybe I'm wrong .... the main thing is that
our "packages" of guides of different sizes make ...

Yes ... "Hurricane-1M"! ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lara Croft

Angry you

Yeah .... got a little excited! You really do not keep me angry! I will try to continue to be more restrained ... I will be corrected!

[venik]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

That is why "Tornado-S" has bukafka C, which is designed for 300-mm eres "from the Tornado"!

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Rather, it uses the same chassis (9A52-2 based on MAZ-79111) and modernized positioning, guidance and fire control system. And RS-s can use both standard "tornado" 9K-55 (different modifications), and new adjusted RS (I don't know the index).
But these are my assumptions: with these "Tordads-S" and "Hurricanes-M" they managed to confuse everything so ...

[venik]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

And where did you find such a modification of the "Tornado"? Multi-caliber? I'd like to know! Share your knowledge, sir! And a photo, pliz!

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Actually, this system is called: 9K512 "Hurricane-1M"

It’s a pity the image is small, but on the nearest machine packages with 300 mm RS (2x6) are installed, on the far - 2x15 220 mm
Larger:

So, "Lara Croft" was mistaken only in the name!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: venik

So, "Lara Croft" was mistaken only in the name!

Fir-trees! And what was I wrong ?! When I talk all the time that there is a 300-mm "Smerch" ... there is a 300-mm "Tornado-S", there is a 220-mm "Hurricane" and there is a "bicaliber" !!! (220/300 mm) "Hurricane-1M"! Moreover, I said. that "Uragan-1M" could be "vobche" "multi-caliber" (!): 122 mm, 220 mm, 300 mm, 400 mm ... Well, I do not know: was the "caliber" -400 mm discussed, but I guess that 122 mm were considered ... most likely, in the end, they decided that 122 mm on such a chassis would be "too fat"!

[venik]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Fir-trees! And what was I wrong ?! When I talk all the time that there is a 300-mm "Smerch" ... there is a 300-mm "Tornado-S", there is a 220-mm "Hurricane" and there is a "bicaliber" !!! (220/300 mm) "Hurricane-1M"!

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And I’m in error for you blamed? Just sorry ( ) did not read to your further comments!

[Nikolaevich I]

Okay ... I got a little excited here too! We must still be more patient and tolerant! I just got tired of repeating the same thing a little ... but this is not an excuse, but an explanation ... We must still be more restrained! Next time, perhaps, I will not be too "to spread my thoughts along the tree ..." ... perhaps in it's my fault that the "people" did not understand ...

[venik]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Okay ... I got a little excited here too!

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Come on you! We drove through! I hurried too - not looking further with his "5 kopecks" poked .... I thought - what if the friend is "not in the know"? Then I wanted to delete it, but it didn't work - someone had already answered the comment!

[donavi49]

Must be modular. Normal SR4 is modular.

[Lopatov]

Quote: donavi49

Must be modular. Normal SR4 is modular.

In the sense, "multi-caliber"?
Not the fact that it should.
It is here very limited by the capabilities of the launcher

The launcher is clearly a close relative of Gradovsky. And it doesn't look like it will pull longer guides

[venik]

Quote: Spade

In the sense, "multi-caliber"?
Not the fact that it should.
It is here very limited by the capabilities of the launcher
The launcher is clearly a close relative of Gradovsky. And it doesn't look like it will pull longer guides

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Yes, the manifesto knows him! Can the shortened 273-mm "pull"? In these pictures it is generally difficult to make out whether there is a reserve for the "gun" in place?
But 300-mm - those same yes! Definitely "will not fit"! ("The chain mail is a bit short").

[Lopatov]

Quote: venik

In these pictures it is generally difficult to make out whether there is a reserve for the "gun" in place?

The question is not in "place", the question is in the mechanisms

"Gradov" mechanisms

[venik]

Quote: Spade

The question is not in "place", the question is in the mechanisms of the "Gradov" mechanisms

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And there (PHZ-11) exactly "Gradov" mechanisms are? On the top photo it is PHZ-11 - yes, externally - great brushing! But then again, if total weight curb pack of 227 mm RS does not exceed the total mass of a pack of 40 122 mm shells (due to lesser number of rockets, why not? Of course, when launching a larger missile and the load on the trigger is bigger - no one argues! There is already a question of the strength of the entire design of the control panel and the power of the drives, and in appearance it is difficult to determine .....
Because I do not want to be categorical!

[Lopatov]

Quote: venik

But then again, if the total mass

Lever arm.
Therefore, the matter is not only in the mass.

[venik]

Quote: Spade

Lever arm.
Therefore, the matter is not only in the mass.

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Well, that’s me, glory, I still understand God - that’s why I wrote about the structural strength and drive power! Moreover, if center of mass of the loaded block of barrels coincides with the axis of rotation (in two planes) or is close to it, then the "lever rule" is not so critical!

[Russian Bear_2]

Very similar.

[Pvi1206]

The main thing is to change position on time ... in our time ... but this may not help in getting an answer ...

[Gray brother]

What will they do with these modules without transient health monitoring?

[donavi49]

Same as Grad. If you lock it, then you can throw pencils from your shoulder. But this is precisely if it is locked.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gray Brother

What will they do with these modules without transient health monitoring?

Charge manually on the launcher

[Gray brother]

Quote: Spade

Charge manually on the launcher

First, the "logs" have to be removed.

[venik]

Quote: Pvi1206

The main thing is to change position on time ... nowadays ..But it may not help in getting an answer....

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In principle, modern MLRSs (especially long-range ones) can fire full BK and leave the position, while all the shells are in the air!. Even if the radar of artillery reconnaissance detects launch positions, until it transmits data to its artillery, it calculates and enters the shooting parameters ..... It’s difficult to succeed .... Here the whole question is in the rate of fire and the time of clotting!