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Grot program: Poland awaiting grenade launchers

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One of the potential participants of the Grot program for the supply of light anti-tank grenade launchers for the needs of the Polish Army has been announced. Recall that not just delivery is expected weapons, and the establishment of the process of its production in Poland.


The Bulgarian company Vazovsky Engineering Plant announced its desire to participate in the program. This is one of the oldest enterprises in Bulgaria, specializing in the production of artillery ammunition. At one time, the plant produced weapons for the needs of the Third Reich, and today it works for the needs of NATO.

As you know, Bulgaria has long been specializing in the production of hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers, which are modifications of the famous RPG-7 and RPG-22. The production process of grenade launchers and other light weapons was established when Bulgaria was a member of the Warsaw Pact Organization. The socialist bloc collapsed, and the production of weapons in Bulgaria remained.

Only now, "little brothers" began to serve completely different customers - from the security forces of Afghanistan and Iraq, which were created under the strict patronage of the United States, to the Syrian radical groups. At least, much is written about this in open sources. Now Bulgaria can act as a supplier of grenade launchers for the Polish Army. Compared with the jihadists of Syria, the Polish military is probably not the worst option.


Modification of the RPG-22 BULSPIKE proposed under the Grot program has undergone a number of changes. It has become more ergonomic, combined with modern sighting devices. The weight of the grenade launcher is only 3,4 kg, together with the 72,5 mm PG-22 shell. The weight of the projectile is 1,5 kg. It takes off at an initial speed of 133 meters per second. At the same time, you can shoot at 350 meters, but you can use weapons inside the building. For 8-10 seconds, the grenade launcher can be put on alert. It is reusable, but the reboot does not need to be done in the military unit, but in an enterprise that has the appropriate license.

Grot program: Poland awaiting grenade launchers

The upgraded version should be put into mass production in 2020. It is planned to equip a grenade launcher with an anti-tank warhead, increase the firing range to 500 meters, but the weight of the launcher itself will also increase. Although the line of 4 kg grenade launcher does not pass, which is very good.


The Bulgarian company signed a memorandum of cooperation with the Polish company Telesystem-Mesko, located in Lubichev, near the Polish capital of Warsaw. This company is known for its developments in the field of aiming and guidance systems. Thus, it is planned to completely “polonize” the production of Bulgarian grenade launchers for their subsequent delivery to the Polish Army.

Polish engineers plan to integrate Polish aiming systems with a Bulgarian grenade launcher, creating such a peculiar Polish-Bulgarian hybrid of weapons. The situation is greatly facilitated by the fact that Bulgaria and Poland are members of both NATO and the EU, that is, there are at least obstacles and restrictions between them for the development of defense cooperation.

In addition to the anti-tank grenade launcher, Bulgaria is ready to offer Polish enterprises cooperation in the field of creating laser-guided munitions and unmanned aerial vehicles, which is why the Grot program can be considered a kind of pilot project, the success of which will further depend on the cooperation of the Bulgarian and Polish military industries for the needs of the Polish Army.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 29 2020 07: 49 New
    -3
    Alas...
    Brothers, they are ... brothers ...
    You can say as much as you like that the PEOPLE of Bulgaria treats Russia well.
    But, in fact, the GOVERNMENT spoils Russia as and wherever it can.
    Only Poland and Tribaltica are more eager to spoil.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 29 2020 08: 03 New
      +5
      Modification of the RPG-22 BULSPIKE proposed under the Grot program has undergone a number of changes. It has become more ergonomic, combined with modern sighting devices. The weight of the grenade launcher is only 3,4 kg, along with the 72,5 mm PG-22 shell. The weight of the projectile is 1,5 kg. It takes off at an initial speed of 133 meters per second. In this case, you can shoot at 350 meters, but you can use weapons inside the building. For 8-10 seconds, the grenade launcher can be put on alert. It is reusable, but the reboot does not need to be done in the military unit, but in an enterprise that has the appropriate license.


      What a nonsense what (выделено в тексте цитаты)... РПГ,по факту,хотя и "перезагружаемый", в бою является disposable( не уверен что в суматохе кто-то будет собирать и складировать стреляные тубусы),а на нём ещё и "современное прицельное устройство", на снятие которого требуется время...

      Или каждый тубус будет с таким прицелом в комплекте,и должен отправляться на "перезагрузку" вместе с ним ?

      Is it expensive and hemorrhagic?
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 29 2020 08: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Only Poland and Tribaltica are more eager to spoil.

      And not Ukraine?
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B April 29 2020 08: 49 New
        -5
        Quote: Insurgent
        And not Ukraine?

        It is easier with Ukraine.
        The Nazis are in power.
        But in Bulgaria there is no fascism.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 29 2020 08: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: Victor_B
          It is easier with Ukraine.
          The Nazis are in power.
          But in Bulgaria there is no fascism.

          С окраиной "проще" в чём ? Просто идентификации её как нацистского государства actively opposing Russia?

          So Bulgaria, after all, as a member of NATO, also opposes Russia, but while passively...
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B April 29 2020 08: 57 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            С окраиной "проще" в чём ?

            Easier - in the sense of more understandable.
            In power, the Nazis continue with all the stops.
            And what is Bulgaria jumping ahead of the engine?
            Нет, оно понятно, американцев взасос в очко целуют, но где она "благодарность России"?
            Somehow I didn’t articulate it ...
            Somehow even a pity. Either them, or us. Naive ...
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 29 2020 09: 02 New
              +4
              Quote: Victor_B
              но где она "благодарность России"?

              "Благодарность России"- Болгарии за то,что она в TWO World War was on the side of the opponents of Russia-the USSR?
              Or is it that the Bulgarians forgotten their deliverance by Russia of the Ottoman yoke during the Russian-Turkish wars?
              Quote: Victor_B
              Easier - in the sense of more understandable.


              Apparently, it is not very clear what to do with the outskirts? At least not clear and not clear to the leadership of the Russian Federation, at least at the present stage ...
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B April 29 2020 09: 06 New
                -1
                But for some reason I feel sorry.
                Some Bulgarians are restless.
          2. pytar
            pytar April 29 2020 10: 06 New
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            So Bulgaria, after all, as a member of NATO, also opposes Russia, but so far passively ...

            В чем "противостояния"? Болгария отказалась принимать на своей територии американской ПРО, отказалась участвовать в формируемую черноморскую флотилию стран НАТО, Грузия и Украина, заявила, что не планирует разрешать строительство американских баз на свовей територии, разрешила перевоздки российский с-400 на учении в Сербии и многое еще, список получится интересны... За своей неотступчивости по важных вопросов, некоторые называют Болгарии "троянским конем России" в НАТО. Болгарской политики в НАТО по отношении к России можно определить, как "разумная оппозиция" на антироссийских действия союза. Кстати согласно анализах западных агенции, население Болгарии лидирует в симпатиях к России в ЕС. hi
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 29 2020 10: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: pytar
              According to Western agency analyzes, the population of Bulgaria leads in sympathy for Russia in the EU

              Sympathy? Good yes , take a look at the photo, this is Saur-grave before and after the outbreak of war in 2014, the place is now twice holy for Donbass:

              Before the war:



              After the battles for height in 2014:




              Can you, Bulgarians, demonstrate such a human, popular memory at the Shipka monument?
              1. pytar
                pytar April 29 2020 10: 36 New
                +1
                Can you, Bulgarians, demonstrate such a human, popular memory at the Shipka monument?

                Ваш комент демонстрирует, насколько мало знаете о реальной ситуаци в Болгарии! Не удивляюсь, потому что я в курсе, какая искаженная "картинка" представляют в ру-сми. Here is the real Bulgaria! hi




                On March 3 this year, the country was under quarantine, and the weather on Shipki was bad, but events were held anyway, the president was also present.

                Unfortunately, I rarely see Russian tourists on Shipki. Sunbathing on our beaches, hundreds of thousands, for some reason, do not bother to go to Shipka, put flowers in the memory of their ancestors! Distances in Bulgaria are small, from the sea to Shipka only an hour and a half - two by car!
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent April 29 2020 10: 40 New
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                  Quote: pytar
                  Here is the real Bulgaria!


                  А флаг России,освободившей вас ,всего один,"утопающий" в болгарских...

                  Quote: pytar
                  was present and the president

                  Real Bulgaria? Judge by what? For business, or for presence on on duty event for him?
                  1. pytar
                    pytar April 29 2020 11: 08 New
                    +2
                    А флаг России,освободившей вас ,всего один,"утопающий" в болгарских...

                    For some, the bowl is half-full, and for others, half-empty ... laughing
                    Here is a video that gives an idea of ​​the attitude of the Bulgarian people towards the Russians. The Russian delegation is greeted with applause ... for the difference from the representatives of the Bulgarians. authorities ... but these are our internal affairs.

                    Just in case, Bulgarians are patriots of their country! Normally, Bulgarian flags, our national holiday! yes
                    By the way, there are DNRs ... I can show a lot of photos, but there is a limitation in the downloads to VO.









                    In Bulgaria, people freely show their sympathy! hi
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent April 29 2020 11: 20 New
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                      Quote: pytar
                      In Bulgaria, people freely show their sympathy!


                      In the Second World War, being an ally of Hitler, Bulgaria, these sympathies did not prevent the assistance of the Wehrmacht by Bulgarian sanitary-hospital trains.

                      Now Bulgaria is in NATO, again in a camp hostile to Russia ...
                      1. pytar
                        pytar April 29 2020 11: 43 New
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                        In the Second World War, being an ally of Hitler, Bulgaria, these sympathies did not prevent the assistance of the Wehrmacht by Bulgarian sanitary-hospital trains.

                        I already know by heart, theses Bulgarianophobes in RuNet. He answered many times, I’m fed up with something ...
                        Bulgaria during the Second World War supported the norms. diplomatic relations with the USSR and did not participate in the war on the East. front! The sanitary train is one with 27 medical personnel. Sent through the international Red Cross! For information, Switzerland sent 4! They had the right to go on both sides of the front, but the USSR did not let them in. In Bulgarian prisoners of war were also treated. Since September 44, 300 thousand. the Bulgarian army fought to the east. front against the Wehrmacht, eliminating 280 thousand. Germans killed and surrendered in captivity! Commander-in-Chief Bolg. Army Gen. Vl. Stoychev participated in the Victory Parade on Red Square!
                        Now Bulgaria is in NATO, again in a camp hostile to Russia ...

                        Insurgent, Bulgaria became a member of NATO in 2004, when relations with Russia were quite good! That the bad ones are not our fault. Yes, and I suspect that these will not remain for long ...
                      2. Insurgent
                        Insurgent April 29 2020 11: 52 New
                        +1
                        Quote: pytar
                        Insurgent, Bulgaria became a member of NATO in 2004, when relations with Russia were quite good!

                        What ... At the peak of good relations with the Russian Federation, did you join NATO in 2004 with the goal of further improving them?

                        Quote: pytar
                        That the bad ones are not our fault.


                        You entered the military bloc with the intention to confront Russia, and do not realize the blame for the deterioration of relations?

                        Кто же тогда виноват ? "It's not my fault, he came "?

                      3. pytar
                        pytar April 29 2020 12: 16 New
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                        At the peak of good relations with Russia, did you join NATO in 2004 with the goal of further improving them?

                        Until 2014, Russia was actively friends with NATO! Participated in all affiliate programs! Then there was no objection from the Russian Federation! Look, the GDP has spoken out on this occasion!
                        You entered the military bloc with the intention to confront Russia, and do not realize the blame for the deterioration of relations?

                        Ha ha ha What is the fault of Bulgaria that you have 10 years later, relations have worsened ?! By the way, and now the BG and the Russian Federation have quite good relations!
                        Кто же тогда виноват ? "Не виноватая я,он сам пришёл " ?

                        Insurgent ... are you sure everything is all right ...? belay
            2. smile
              smile April 30 2020 01: 01 New
              +1
              pytar
              Hello.
              Basically, you’re right ... yeah ... there are so many people on your videos .... dofigische ... I talked with the Bulgarians, whom I saw - they say the same thing as you .... but, aphid It is not clear how it turns out that Bulgaria is a member of NATO, how it turns out. that in the two biggest wars of the 20th century, Bulgaria - sided with our enemies?
              I love and respect the Bulgarians ... among those with whom I talked, I did not find a single Russophobe ... even here, on this site there were only a couple of pieces .... but it’s really annoying not even that you got into NATO - annoying - that you got into NATO, got into the European Union - yell about that. it’s not comfortable there .... and .... your leadership adheres to a completely Russophobic policy .... and they choose it ...
              the population of Bulgaria chooses, well, there is no one else to choose ....
              in free elections ....
              so mean what? The population of Bulgaria is completely Russophobic, and only rare guys like you and those you showed in the photographs feel at least some gratitude to us?
              And yes - we need her for your gratitude. however, like no one else - we would like not to be spoiled by us, like, for example, the Poles, not to blame Konev like the Czechs ... sort of and we demand a little ... what do you think?
              Come on, I will not continue the topic, and you will think about what I said ... and then .... if you want, answer.
              Goodbye.
              1. pytar
                pytar April 30 2020 10: 05 New
                +1
                Hello Vladimir! hi
                Here you ask a few questions that I constantly meet on ru-forums and in personal communication with Russians! The seeming paradoxes in relations between Russia and Bulgaria, whose people are close, kindred, friendly, actually have a completely logical explanation! You just need to know the facts, chronology, cause-effect relationships of events, and 99% of Russians do not know them! Во многом виновата пропаганда в ру-сми, тотально искажающая реальностью. Пропаганда есть и в Болгалии, но тут ситуация совершенно иная, особенности национального менталитета защищают болгаров от ее воздействия в гораздо большей ступени. Факт масированной болгарофобской пропагандой в России констатируют даже болгарские руссофилы! В Болгарии с 90-тых самая массовая НПО ето Болгарское Национальное Движение "Руссофилы". В ни одна другая страна нет ничего сравнимое по маштабах, в Сербии такая организация появилась совсем недавно. Вот один пример, кстати таких куча! Письмо-обращение к президенту РФ - В.В.Путина:
                http://www.prezidentpress.ru/news/3866-otkrytoe-pismo-prezidentu-rf-vv-putinu-kto-zastavil-rossiyskie-smi-vbit-klin-v-rossiysko-bolgarskuyu-druzhbu.html
                Here's more:
                http://www.stoletie.ru/slavyanskoe_pole/bolgarija_rusofily_i_rusofoby_133.htm
                Farther:
                I love and respect the Bulgarians ... among those with whom I talked, I did not find a single Russophobe ... even here, on this site there were only a couple of pieces ...

                У нас настоящие руссофобы, наверно во всей стране не больше сотку. Ну есть таких среди болгарских турках. На ВО нет ни одного. Наши люди рагируют на словестная агресия и провокации, которые тут навалом. Так вот, в Болгарии есть люди с правые убеждения, не любят комунизма и сталина, но при том любят русских. Есть, которым не нравилась реакционность российской империи, они антимонархисты, люди с левые убеждения, они тоже любят русских! В России почемуто всех их обыявляют "руссофобами"! По такой "логики" надо обявит и большинства русские руссофобами! Да?

                how it turns out. that in the two biggest wars of the 20th century, Bulgaria - sided with our enemies?

                Here is an honest answer on a period to 1VM given to Konstantin Gaivoronsky:
                https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2017/10/20/738689-bratushki-bratoubiitsami
                Another objective article:
                https://sinatistis.wordpress.com/2017/06/10/rusbulrelations19/
                According to 2MB, it seems that the situation with Bulgaria in modern Russia is, in general, the apotheosis of propaganda! Many times I have given lengthy comments on VO with facts! I will write max. short!
                In WW2, Bulgaria has been resolving issues since 1878, which could not be resolved during the 1-2 Balkan and WWII wars! Free the territories with the compact Bulgarian population, occupied by Serbia, Greece and Romania! Moreover, she did everything possible so as not to take part in the war against the USSR! Incredible, but it succeeded! Bulgaria and the USSR supported the norms. diplomatic relations for the whole war! And since 1, the Bulgarian army actively fought against the Wehrmacht! It was the second largest foreign military group allied with the Red Army to the east. front!
                http://varyadavydova.com/bolgariya-vo-vtoroj-mirovoj-vojne/
                https://istorex.ru/page/mikhneva_r_v_etoy_pamyati_net_agressii_no_est_bol_i_pechal_iz-za_neznaniya_gde_nakhodyatsya_mogili_tvoikh_predkov
                http://www.segodnia.ru/content/176729
                http://varyadavydova.com/dolzhna-li-nam-bolgariya/
                http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/commentaries/view/112642/



                that you got into NATO, got into the European Union - yell about that. it’s not comfortable there ....

                1. Bulgaria joined NATO in 2004 (14 years after the collapse of the ATS), at a time when Aliance and the Russian Federation were friends, partnered, relations were excellent! Why did we end up in NATO? 82% of the population was against it, I myself went to rallies. But ... I was wrong! Why? Because, after the 90s, my country fell into a very difficult internal and foreign political situation! Since the 80s we had an ethnic time bomb! Local Turks shook, and next to 80 million Turkey and all of NATO! Yugoslavia blazed, the Russian Federation did not help her in any way! Bulgaria went bankrupt from socialism, the economy was in ruins, debts exceeded GDP 1,5-2 times! Bulgaria, which was half a century loyal to the USSR ally, turned out to be among the defeated countries in the bloodless 3MB! And we did not have a single ally! We urgently needed a respite! Joining NATO turned out to be uncontested! It was in the interest of the country!
                As for the EU, everything is clear here! The benefits for the country are huge! EU essentially save Bulgaria! The economy has recovered, revenues have grown, the treasury is filled with money! Now the majority of the population (2/3) support the EU!
                we would like not to be crap on us, like, for example, the Poles, not to blame Konev, like the Czechs ... sort of and we demand a little ... what do you think?

                Ваши претензии насчет Полши, Чехии обоснованные. Но к Болгарии не имеют никакое основание! Ваша пропаганда ставит всех под один знаменатель, при том намеренно пропускает фактов указывающие очевидную разницу! Таких сотни, а в ру-сми... ни словочко! В них трубят, что вот "в Болгарии надругались над советских памятниках", когда какойто недоумок в темноте ночи что то там набрызгал!! Не упоменают, что в Болгарии есть более 530 памятника в честь России/СССР и ни один не снесен! Не говорят, что чут ли не кажды год строим новые! Где в какая другая страна есть такое? Не говорят, что болгарское государство тратить милионы евро, на поддержки этих памятниках! Почему один только негатив выбирают, а о позитива, каким есть в сотни раз больше, молчат?
                I got a very lengthy answer, I'm sorry! If you are interested, go to my account, there are more than my 4000 reasoned answers to all your potential questions!
                I wish you and all Russians peace, good luck and most importantly - enlightenment! hi Ignorance is the mother of all sins!
                1. smile
                  smile 1 May 2020 01: 57 New
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                  pytar
                  Thank. I don’t like everything from what you said. Although much seems objective ....
                  But overall - fine ....
                  I won’t say that your words greatly influenced my opinion ... but I respect you - for sure ...
                  So it goes....
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 1 May 2020 10: 34 New
                    0
                    Thank. I don’t like everything from what you said. Although much seems objective ....

                    And I do not like everything, but I must honestly tell the truth! Thank you too, Vladimir! hi
                    I won’t say that your words greatly influenced my opinion ... but I respect you - for sure ...

                    Opinion is always difficult to change, even when obvious facts command. Human psychology is like that. I respect you too, because only with mutual respect does dialogue make sense! hi
  • pytar
    pytar April 29 2020 09: 06 New
    +1
    ... Bulgarian company "Vazovsky Engineering Plant" .... At one time, the plant produced weapons for the needs of the Third Reich ....

    Reading such wildly incorrect hints, I am left with the impression that anti-Bulgarian propaganda is being deliberately and purposefully conducted in VO! VSW was opened on July 12, 1940 and began production of German technology and licenses for fuses, hand grenades, 22 mm high-explosive fragmentation shells, 75 mm shells, 105 mm shells and 122 mm howitzer shells, for the Bulgarian army, which was armed with these systems! Production was insufficient in quantity even to satisfy their own needs; no export was carried out in Germany or other countries! At that time, Bulgaria was experiencing an acute shortage of munitions, in warehouses there were shells for exercises. It was not possible to produce and accumulate the required quantity until September 44, due to the lack of production fraud and materials. Therefore, when the Bulgarian army, after September 44, entered the war on the side of the anti-Hitler coalition, the Soviet Union handed over to the Bulgarians weapons with which 5 Bulgarian divisions were fully equipped.
    But, in fact, the GOVERNMENT spoils Russia as and wherever it can. Only Poland and Tribaltica are more eager to spoil.

    This is also a propaganda myth replicated in rus-media. For what purpose ... topic for another discussion ... hi
    You can say as much as you like that the PEOPLE of Bulgaria treats Russia well.

    Не только народ, но и во во всех болгарских партиях есть силы, относящиеся к России вполне дружески. В Парламенте, даже в правительство! Откровенно проросийская партия "Атака" и сейчас входит в правящей коалиции!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 29 2020 09: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: pytar
      Reading such wildly incorrect hints, I am left with the impression that anti-Bulgarian propaganda is being deliberately and purposefully conducted in the VO!

      Наличие боеприпасов и вооружений произведённых в Болгарии у боевиков ИГИЛ, нац.батальонов ВСУ,тоже отнесёте к "антиболгарской пропаганде",или последует balanced, devoid of emotions, reasoned answer ?

      And saypytar (Boyan Ivanov) , how did you react so quickly to the appearance of an article about Bulgaria, do you have a nose for such articles?
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B April 29 2020 09: 16 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        And tell me, pytar (Boyan Ivanov), how did you react so quickly to the appearance of an article about Bulgaria, do you have a nose?

        In fact, he is a frequent commentator on VO.
        Not hostile.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 29 2020 09: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Victor_B
          Not hostile.

          Actually, no one, including myself, accused him of hostility.
          Quote: Victor_B
          In fact, he is a frequent commentator on VO.

          I live long enough in the world to believe in random matches.

          Выход статьи с упоминанием Болгарии,в 09:06 вход на ВО,и "хлоп" right Bulgarian commentator в 09:06 gives an assessment ...

          But articles about Bulgaria are not so frequent as for example about the Donbass ...
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B April 29 2020 09: 26 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            The publication of the article with reference to Bulgaria, at 09:06 entrance to VO, and immediately the Bulgarian commentator at 09:06 gives an estimate ...

            I'm so generally
            Victor_B (Victor Petrovich) 2 Today, 07:49
            Unsubscribed, but I did not wait on purpose.
            Subscribed, looked and unsubscribed.
          2. pytar
            pytar April 29 2020 11: 55 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            Выход статьи с упоминанием Болгарии,в 09:06 вход на ВО,и "хлоп" сразу же болгарский комментатор в 09:06 даёт оценку...

            Раз за столь годы "попал вовремя"! laughing I’ll usually be late! By the way, you confuse something! Statiya va VO was released at 07:47 a.m. My first koment at 09:06 h., Viktor has 07:49 and yours at 08:03 !!! So I get an hour late!
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 29 2020 12: 00 New
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              Quote: pytar
              By the way, you confuse something! The article va VO was released at 07:47 a.m. My first comment was at 09:06 a.m., Victor had 07:49, and yours was at 08:03 !!! So I get an hour late!

              But was it really about the time of publication of the article? Your entrance to VO 09:06 and a comment (rather voluminous in content), with lightning speed, without hesitation - 09:06 ...
              1. pytar
                pytar April 29 2020 12: 20 New
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                Your entrance to VO 09:06 and a comment (rather voluminous in content), with lightning speed, without hesitation - 09:06 ...

                Insurgent, you are really confusing something! No. I probably wrote my comment for about 5 or 10 minutes! I even drank a cup of coffee during this time! Above comments is shown not the time of writing, but the time of pressing the button [SEND COMMENT]
      2. pytar
        pytar April 29 2020 10: 19 New
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        Наличие боеприпасов и вооружений произведённых в Болгарии у боевиков ИГИЛ, нац.батальонов ВСУ,тоже отнесёте к "антиболгарской пропаганде",или последует взвешенный,лишённый эмоций,аргументированный ответ ?

        The first thing I want to say is the unproven hardenings from the media. Some of them are clearly unfounded. I have commented on VO more than once, I will not be repeated.
        Second, all Bulgarian weapon manufacturing companies are private. They do not sell weapons directly! But if we look at the well-known data on the recipient firms, there are most of them with non-Bulgarian names, including Russian ones. Again, I repeat - where the weapon beats up later, it is the responsibility of the buyer! There is not a single gram of emotion in my statements, I am not a shareholder of any such company and do not have any sympathy for them. laughing
        And tell me, pytar (Boyan Ivanov), how did you react so quickly to the appearance of an article about Bulgaria, do you have a nose for such articles?

        I have been at the HE since April 2013. During socialism, I was subscribed to many Soviet military-technical magazines. Usually, drinking a cup of coffee every morning, I read what's new here. It is clear, first of all, I am interested in topics related to my country. Fine!
        Looking at the Russian info-resources, I note that in relation to Bulgaria, from a few years, there is a clear tendentiousness, subjectivity, I’ll say frankly - a Bulgarian -ophobic campaign is underway! What is it connected with, a question for another discussion ... I have my own theory. I say with sadness how a person is vitally connected with Russia, I do not care how the relations between our countries develop! In my deep conviction, relations between Russia and Bulgaria should be close, even fraternal, since we are kindred peoples, with a common civilizational code!
    2. Victor_B
      Victor_B April 29 2020 09: 13 New
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      Quote: pytar

      But, in fact, the GOVERNMENT spoils Russia as and wherever it can. Only Poland and Tribaltica are more eager to spoil.

      This is also a propaganda myth replicated in rus-media. For what purpose ... topic for another discussion ...
      You can say as much as you like that the PEOPLE of Bulgaria treats Russia well.

      Не только народ, но и во во всех болгарских партиях есть силы, отнсящиеся к России вполне дружески. В Парламенте, даже в правительство! Откровнно проросийская партия "Атака" и в моменте входит в правящей коалиции!

      I was waiting for an answer from you Boyan.
      You wrote everything correctly, but in fact, what happens is happening.
      There are people, ordinary people, and there is a government that this people chooses on its neck.
      Here we have, as always - the king is good, and the boyars to hell!
      After all, you, too, for your part have claims and some just ones against Russia.
      But for Russia to purposefully, to the detriment of itself, crap Bulgaria ...
      1. pytar
        pytar April 29 2020 11: 29 New
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        After all, you, too, for your part have claims and some just ones against Russia.
        But for Russia to purposefully, to the detriment of itself, crap Bulgaria ...

        Dear Victor, hi политика всегда неднозначная! Она руководится от интересов! Бывало и не раз, возникали противоречия в наших интересов. Это факт. Конечно всегда найдутся люди, которые будут обвинять другого, что "гадил". На каждое событие с обоих сторон найдутся трактовки разные. Надо понимать, что одна и та же ситуация, может выглядет с разных сторон совершенно по разному! Пропаганда нацеленная на разжигании фобских настроений работает на такой принцип - показывает только точки зрения удобная для ней. hi
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 29 2020 07: 58 New
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    While it is possible to ascertain the imminent appearance of a new Bulgarian-Polish weapon at the Syrian barmaley! All in revenge and alone, these countries are dependent on the United States
    1. pytar
      pytar April 29 2020 12: 00 New
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      While it is possible to ascertain the imminent appearance of a new Bulgarian-Polish weapon at the Syrian barmaley!

      Now we can state, only that "...объявлен один из потенциальных участников программы Grot на поставку легких противотанковых гранатометов для нужд Войска Польского - ВМЗ Сопот." Will participate, it is not known! And here if the contract will be concluded and if this weapon will appear at the barmaley, and then state it! hi
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 29 2020 18: 07 New
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        But if the contract is concluded and if the barmalei appears this weapon, then state it!

        Do not be offended dear, but the fact that Bulgaria supplies weapons to the barmaley in Syria is even written by your newspapers, filmed on Bulgarian television, it is ridiculous to prove:
        1. pytar
          pytar April 29 2020 19: 40 New
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          Do not be offended dear, but the fact that Bulgaria supplies weapons to the barmaley in Syria is even written by your newspapers, filmed on Bulgarian television, it is ridiculous to prove:

          I have no doubt that the illegal channels, weapons produced in Bulgaria, fall into the hands of terrorists. But, through such channels weapons come from all over the world. For example, the Russian RPG-32 how are they? Most likely, through Jordan, where they are produced in Russia. licenses! Russia does not test, because Jordanians pay pretty much for licenses!
          As for this video, I was expecting it to appear. Do you know the details of this story? Unlikely! Let me explain: A video report from the Bulgarian journalist Dilyana Gaitanjieva from 2015 from Aleppo. During the investigation, it becomes clear that the weapons delivered under the legal contract of Saudi Arabia. We can assume that the Saudis ego passed on to the barmaley. But here a little bit serial questions arise! Journalist demonstrates chests with the inscription of the plant VMZ-Sopot and shipping documents! Usually, with illegal deliveries, inscriptions and markings are deleted, and the documents could not have ended up in the tunnels where the bd are being kept! Moreover, it was established that neither labeling nor documents comply with Bulgarian standards! Most likely this is a setup, probably from the competitors. The main version is the unresolved dispute between the BG and the Russian Federation on licenses. In 2017, Gaitanjieva came out with material on the supply of Bulgarian weapons to Azerbaijan, which later turned out to be in Syria. We are talking about completely legitimate contracts.
          И тут одна важная подробность - Гайтанджиева журналистка в газетой "Труд", чьи собственники имеют личные и бизнес связи с структуры из РФ.
          А чтоб получится настоящий "компот", Гайтанджиева уже в 2019 г. делает журналистические разкрытия о поставок огромное количество оружия йеменскому ИГИЛ-у произведенное в Сербии /фабрики Крусик/. Экспортный контракт заключен между госкомпании Югоимпорт СДПР и американская Алианс Техсистемс, от имени американского правительства. Сербия экспортирует оружие на БВ на 30-40% больше чем БГ, но до этот случай никто в РФ не поднимал к ней претензии. А тут вдруг... получается через близкая до РФ газета! Не могу знать причиной, но попал на инфо, что в тот период сербские компании поставили оружие несколькими аравийские страны выбив российских поставщиков... Так оно или нет, не знаю.
          And a few words not in connection with the foregoing - the Russian Federation supplies UAE armored vehicles. On them, the emirates fought in Yemen against the Hussites, whom Iran supplies with their weapons!
          In short, much is vague in these topics, but there is no morality in trading with weapons! Each / including the RF / supplies weapons to everyone who can pay for it.
          I apologize for the lengthy comments, I could write a lot more, but that's enough for now. hi
          1. APASUS
            APASUS April 29 2020 19: 46 New
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            Quote: pytar
            In short, there are many vague topics

            As an option, it is possible, but too confusing. The British and Americans usually use many ways, intrigues, and other frauds, for Russians it is very difficult.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 29 2020 19: 49 New
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              As an option, it is possible, but too confusing. The British and Americans usually use many ways, intrigues, and other frauds, for Russians it is very difficult.

              It is clear that I can not say anything! I say that I read and saw in open sources.
              In this bloody business, and not only intrigues, setups, fakes, everyone uses it, without an exception! This is a business without rules, there is no other way! Selling death has always been lucrative!
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 29 2020 08: 18 New
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    Well, judging by the data given, not such a bad grenade launcher will work.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 April 29 2020 08: 58 New
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    smile А как хорошо начиналось. "... ожидается налаживание производства в польше..." И как кончилось. "Производство прицельных приспособлений". Ага, полякам только планку с дыркой доверят делать. И ещё содержать отдельное подразделение для сбора и доставки в Болгарию на перезарядку тубусов
  • Hagen
    Hagen April 29 2020 09: 08 New
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    Old grenade. We were armed with this in the 80s. Integration in NATO crayfish is quite expected. The news didn’t shock ...
  • pytar
    pytar April 29 2020 09: 18 New
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    Only now, "brothers" began to serve completely different customers - from the security forces of Afghanistan and Iraq, which were created under the strict patronage of the United States

    Russia supplies weapons to the Afghan and Iraqi governments! For some reason, it doesn’t bother her that these governments "создавались под чутким патронажем США"!
    to Syrian radical groups. At least, much is written about this in open sources.

    Syria gets weapons from around the world. Radicals also use modern Russian weapons. Resale schemes are different. Bulgaria exports weapons in accordance with international laws, and the buyer is responsible for its subsequent fate. With Russian weapons, too. hi
    By the way, in open sources, there was information that people with Russian citizenship bought Bulgarian weapons ... Where then it happened, we can guess ... Trade with weapons is the dark side of business.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B April 29 2020 09: 32 New
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      Arms trading is the dark side of business.

      But Bulgaria, in fact, is one of the largest transshipment points of the ILLEGAL, criminal arms trade with the dirtiest scum.
      1. pytar
        pytar April 29 2020 10: 43 New
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        But Bulgaria, in fact, is one of the largest transshipment points of the ILLEGAL, criminal arms trade with the dirtiest scum.

        "перевалочных", типо транзита? по факту? а где факты? почему если у вас есть факты, не заявите их в соответствующие международные организации по контролем над торговли с оружием? я то смотрю на кадрах видеа, грязные подонки оперируют с оружие произведенное во многих стран мира, включая и в рф!
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 29 2020 09: 21 New
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    Одно слово "перезагрузка" чего стоит ! Не беря в голову ту мерикану-бабу, что к Путину в гости с "жёлтой кнопкой" приезжала, становится ясно , что "товарисч" Автор "организовал" статью методом "вструмления " фрагментов "иноязычного" текста (может, и болгарского...) в "свою " историю...даже, как следует не вчитавшись ...! Остаётся спросить: неужто болгары так обеднели, что им пластик "в радость" собирать ? Я понимаю немцев в конце 2МВ с их фаустпатронами...всё в дефиците по случаю военного времени... а чёрный лом и теперича собирают и сдают в пункты приёма металлолома за деньги... Но "пластиковое" оружие для того и "придумано", чтобы оно было не только легким, но и "бросовым" !... Зачем же "одноразовое" оружие надо было обзывать "многоразовым" ,если таковым оно не является ? Опять же вижу причину такой несуразности в "автоматическом вструмлении фрагментов текста ... "! Автор просто не удосужился подобрать к "болгарскому" фрагменту слова по-русски ! РПГ-22 тоже можно,при желании, "загрузить" повторно, но он именуется одноразовым оружием...
  • knn54
    knn54 April 29 2020 09: 21 New
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    A little off topic - for some reason, Polish eggs and sugar in Bulgaria are cheaper (information three years ago) than local ones.
    1. pytar
      pytar April 29 2020 12: 07 New
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      A little off topic - for some reason, Polish eggs and sugar in Bulgaria are cheaper (information three years ago) than local ones.

      If there is a difference, it’s a penny. Poland produces large quantities, respectively, cheaper than nicknames. expenses. But the Bulgarian are better! So I always buy Bulgarian products! I buy imported only if they do not have Bulgarian analogues! hi