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“They will put an extra bolt and are already shouting about modernization”: experts spoke about T-72 tanks for the Armed Forces

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“They will put an extra bolt and are already shouting about modernization”: experts spoke about T-72 tanks for the Armed Forces

As previously reported in one of the previously released News "Military Review", APU received 25 upgraded tanks T-72. Modernization was carried out at the Kiev armored plant in coordination with the Central Bank of Ukraine (Central Armored Directorate) of the Armed Forces.


Experts pay attention to the external features of the tanks repaired at the Kiev factory. What exactly was the modernization, judging visually? In the new rubber - how to protect against cumulative grenades?

However, the very word “modernization” in this case appeared from the filing of the Ukrainian media, moreover, specialized, military-themed ones.

At the Kiev armored plant, they still call things by their proper names, declaring the transfer of T-72 tanks to the troops after a major overhaul. It is added that some refinement of the tanks has been carried out - in particular, the optics and stabilization system of the tank gun have been improved.

The data of the Ukrainian side, which confuses the repair and modernization of armored vehicles, was commented on by Viktor Baranets, a member of the Presidium of the All-Russian Organization Russian Officers, for Military Review. According to the military expert, there is "natural boasting, which most often has nothing to do with reality."

Victor Baranets:

Modernization is a change of weapons, automation. All of this has not happened recently. But what kind of “modernization” they are doing well, is this: rusty T-72 tanks are painted in the colors of the Armed Forces. And this is perhaps the only plus of such a "modernization". In quotation marks, “plus,” of course. In terms of tank building, Ukraine today is based on long-standing Soviet technologies. Despite the presence of tank factories in Ukraine, there is no modern scientific school that could increase the performance characteristics of these tanks. I do not gloat, I just watched for decades what happened there after the collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainian tank school ... So people who themselves work in this industry, they sing very sad songs.


According to the expert, Ukrainian politicians today are characterized by the constant bloating of myths "about the improvement of modern weapons».

Victor Baranets:

They put an extra bolt or an extra nut there or change the position of some apparatus there, and their politicians and military men shout about some kind of modernization there. And the combat capabilities, as they were at the level of the first generation of T-72 tanks, remained. They talk about updating optics, but the ammunition was both old and remained. Old engines ... Well, even if they put a new radio station there, then this is not a modernization, this is just a communication system. Yes, and no one has tested how reliable it is.

Overhaul, called "modernization", commented the expert of "Military Review" Alexander Staver:

If there is no tank building in Ukraine, then it is difficult to talk about modernization as such. Kharkov Tank Plant is also engaged only in repair. And all the other plants, too. They collect rubbish from garbage cans and collect several cars from several decommissioned ones. And the modernization of these T-72s is NATO radio stations and mounted diversity until the first battle.
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Kiev Armored Plant
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 28 2020 17: 57 New
    -12
    I'm at a loss. Straight "automatic turn" of articles about Kiev T-72! Even wondering what caused it? Fall of the hat-hiding index? Or the inconsistency of the formula "there they have stolen everything"?
    Well, repaired, modernized slightly, what next? How many pieces? Why are experts (some of them dubious) so excited?
    1. qQQQ
      qQQQ April 28 2020 20: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well, repaired, modernized slightly, what next? How many pieces?

      I am more outraged by the fact of modernization of the achresore T-72, why do not kosher T-64 upgrade? I am tormented by vague doubts that even the Sumerians understood that 64 is rubbish.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner April 29 2020 00: 12 New
        -1
        good That's it!!! Shchy Svidomita should be crumpled from one word "Ural", and even from Uralvagonzavod, he should generally flare up like a vampire from the sun. winked All this is strange.
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor April 29 2020 00: 42 New
        +1
        Kosher also the Soviet occupation gave them and factories.
    2. st2st
      st2st April 28 2020 22: 36 New
      -4
      When there is nothing to surprise, write about nothing. You will not lose. Suckers go.
  2. Alexga
    Alexga April 28 2020 17: 57 New
    12
    Well, the tanks were left from the Carpathian Military District, the plant in DARNITS has been doing major repairs for a long time, but where did the new model tracks come from in Ukraine, the question is! I do not think that these are old stocks of the Kharkov plant.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 28 2020 18: 19 New
      +6
      Could the "kind psheki" share? They also mass-produced the 72nd.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga April 28 2020 18: 43 New
        +5
        No, in the photo is T-72B, the others have different ones.
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner April 29 2020 00: 13 New
        0
        And the Czechs could share. They also riveted.
  3. Amateur
    Amateur April 28 2020 18: 02 New
    -1
    Will put there is an extra bolt or an extra nut or they will change the position of some apparatus there, and their politicians and military men shout about some kind of modernization there.

    Do not fit. but they’ll remove ... and further on in the text.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 April 28 2020 18: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Amateur
      Do not fit. but they’ll take it off.

      Yes. "It's easy to complicate. It's hard to simplify!" ©. And they are not afraid of difficulties there!
  4. Fedorov
    Fedorov April 28 2020 18: 03 New
    0
    In short - rubbish about trash, although the old T-72 will compete. And at the Kharkov plant - desolation compared to past times and dull workers, they want the Chelyabinsk worker from a hangover from a humorous series and dream of red shorts.
  5. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 28 2020 18: 04 New
    +1
    without a word modernization of money, power will not give ...
  6. sabakina
    sabakina April 28 2020 18: 13 New
    +6
    To whom it is, but to me this rubber on the tower resembles a helmet of either a Chinese or a Mongol warrior ....
    1. Fedorov
      Fedorov April 28 2020 18: 23 New
      +5
      This "helmet made of reinforced rubber is not at all superfluous, it appeared at the first and only sensible parade of Ukraine on the first new tanks, though only 9 of them were made then and on a contract with Thailand" stuck. And I think it's not in vain - you can hardly bend it with your fist. So the first comultive - it will knock down the main stream.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina April 28 2020 18: 30 New
        +3
        Yes, I don’t say anything against it, just such an association. But without real shots, testing is still hard to believe.
      2. ROSS_51
        ROSS_51 April 28 2020 21: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Fedorov
        So the first is comulative - he will bring down the main stream.

        It will not hit, but the cumulative initiates .. Perhaps.
  7. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 28 2020 18: 19 New
    -3
    “They will put an extra bolt and are already shouting about modernization”

    Ha! This is what ...
    Here is a song, so a song!
    https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/04/28/arnata/amp/
    Not counting the dessert:
    https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/04/18/t90m/
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 28 2020 21: 51 New
      -1
      “They will put an extra bolt and already shout about modernization”:

      So after all, a bolt is never superfluous for those who scream ..... about modernization.
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha April 28 2020 23: 13 New
        0
        Because if they do not shout about modernization, they themselves will put a bolt.
  8. smaug78
    smaug78 April 28 2020 18: 37 New
    +7
    Boltology from Barents and yellow TW ...
  9. Ingenegr
    Ingenegr April 28 2020 19: 12 New
    12
    This modernization is very reminiscent of dancing with our Russian "developments" AK -... 00 and AK-12 (15, 16, 17, etc.). No, doesn't it? But for me - it's almost the same story. After all, all the "developments" of the QC are reduced to the welding of strips, changing the shape of the handles and hotel copying of butts, even to the detriment of their service strength. And nothing - rolls. The same "experts" sing odes to these crafts.
    And here - after all, they put the 3rd generation image intensifier tube into the night channel. It will be more serious than the curved Picatinny rail on the cap of the SC machine. I won’t be surprised if the repaired wedges also got a thermal imaging channel.
    In general, I see no reason indiscriminately to scold any actions of the Ukrainian industry and to praise any lousy decisions of the native Russian. As they say, it is necessary to consider in detail.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 28 2020 22: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Ingenegr
      And for me - it's almost the same story.

      The AK-12 has gone far ahead, it is not given to conscripts, only to contract soldiers ...
      1. Ingenegr
        Ingenegr April 29 2020 00: 40 New
        +2
        Why did the AK-12 go far ahead and what exactly is it expressed in?
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor April 29 2020 00: 58 New
      -2
      In the video, the 12th is much more accurate when shooting, the comparisons with the same Akm are complete.
      1. Ingenegr
        Ingenegr April 29 2020 06: 19 New
        +1
        And all?
        AK-74 is also more accurate AKM. And the AK-12 is not more accurate than the AK-74, other things being equal. If you define "much ahead" only by this characteristic, then the AK-12 is not needed at all.
    3. Disant
      Disant April 30 2020 01: 50 New
      0
      and then write on the case, ".. consider in detail ..", and not about the "tankettes" and the thermal imaging channel. The channel is a channel, and for this case you need to develop a new sight, it's not for you to pull out the old image intensifier from the commander's observation device (in the turret) and attach there a new can of image intensifier, developed in the eighties and lying all these years in the warehouse in the ZIP - I deeply doubt it, that the image intensifier in a full-fledged sight was changed.
      As for the hanging screens and DZ "Knife" - I would like to look at the tests or some kind of plate-drawing-statistics - the rubber is too hanging tudy-syudy and what is there in the DZ "Knife" for explosives, what is the resistance to bullets.
      For comparison, DZ "Contact" 1995 release, please:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uXdoJGfU3k
  10. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich April 28 2020 19: 35 New
    +2
    Overhaul of T-72, also + for the APU. Ukraine has a "tank designer" - Rostislav Abramov from Krivoy Rog fellow
  11. Mayak-SH-7
    Mayak-SH-7 April 28 2020 20: 58 New
    -14
    "They will put an extra bolt and are already shouting about modernization": experts spoke about the T-72 tanks for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Ask the experts! Why do you then farts burn from any news about the armament of Ukraine, well, if everything is the best in the Russian Federation and you are the greatest))), then why are you fussing about your nickle in Ukraine, sniffing out something all the time, what is it, uncertainty, fear in front of the unknown, We would be sure of their invincibility, they would forget about the Ukrainian army and would not remember it, but no, as soon as some news from Ukraine immediately creeps into it sofa experts. How do you even know about the capabilities of Ukrainian weapons, so they will tell you everything, yeah)) they will reveal all the secrets, you are sitting behind three nine lands even blathering there. I noticed that when it comes to weapons growing, they praise it right up to the shit, when it comes to Ukrainian weapons, they start to mischief, gentlemen, you would be in the trenches instead of a sofa, that's where your views will radically change like your entire expert life. That’s where they would talk about the shortcomings of tanks and shells and missiles. Especially the "experts" like to say, they say, what did they create there, took the Soviet missile and that's all, and that the Soviet missile, modernized, with improved performance characteristics, does not pose a threat and death, like any weapon, or did the soldiers grow up immortal? First of all, these experts are sent to the military enlistment office!
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 28 2020 21: 57 New
      +5
      “They will put an extra bolt and already shout about modernization”:


      then what are you then your dime in the hell for Ukraine

      And it was necessary to put an extra bolt, not a nickle?
      We don’t put our nickel in Ukraine, someone just put an extra bolt for you, and you shout about modernization. In the case of Ukraine, there is no extra bolt. Fershtein? wink laughing
    2. 113262a
      113262a April 28 2020 22: 16 New
      +5
      He served an urgent 83-85 in the GSVG on t-80b Horshaya, the best car. He worked in the year 14-15 on the t-64 BV. The muck is rare. So there is something to compare. Although, this and that is SOVIET tanks. So do not get on.
    3. Mitroha
      Mitroha April 28 2020 23: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: Mayak-SH-7
      Question to the experts! Why do you then farts are burning from any news

      I will not say for experts, but your sofa is clearly in the ashes.
  12. iouris
    iouris April 28 2020 21: 20 New
    -1
    The wrong experts were given the floor. The problem is not in some kind of modernization of the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but in the political consequences of the offensive of the Armed Forces, if it takes place. The consequences will be external or purely "internal".
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 28 2020 22: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: iouris
      The wrong experts were given the floor. The problem is not in some kind of modernization of the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but in the political consequences of the offensive of the Armed Forces, if it takes place. The consequences will be external or purely "internal".

      In any case, they will be disastrous ... for the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... And they will also bring many losses among the civilian population. The first doesn’t really bother anyone, but the second is the worst ...
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 29 2020 03: 00 New
      -6
      Quote: iouris
      The wrong experts were given the floor. The problem is not in some kind of modernization of the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but in the political consequences of the offensive of the Armed Forces, if it takes place. The consequences will be external or purely "internal".

      "A small victorious war" is most needed now only by a fabulously zeroed one. This is the only thing that remains for him to again distract the people from internal problems to external ones.
  13. JD1979
    JD1979 April 28 2020 21: 22 New
    +8
    Mr. Viktor Barantz seems to have two extra letters in his surname. It is a pity that the Military Review is increasingly sliding towards the "standards" of NI and other yellow resources. Who are these experts? The full name does not say anything, a member of the presidium ... an officer ...
    5 seconds of searching and ...
    - a night vision device with electron-optical converters and a night sight with the possibility of firing a guided missile were installed.
    - equipped with a set of modern digital radio station and satellite navigation system
    - a more powerful engine was installed, chassis elements were replaced, and a video parking system was added to simplify the maneuvering of a combat vehicle.
    - the dynamic protection complex and the updated fire fighting equipment system have been improved.

    Speak an extra bolt ... but what about then T72B3? Two extra bolts?

    Overhaul, called "modernization", commented the expert of "Military Review" Alexander Staver:

    The respected expert does not want to comment on the lack of ability to verify the information received before issuing his "expert" comment?
    I understand that the stereotype that has been created that there is nothing left in Ukraine is deeply rooted in the subcortex, but this is not an excuse for that nonsense that is broadcast by "experts". The bazaar, as they say, must be followed if you are already applying for the title of an expert.
    1. Emphasis
      Emphasis April 28 2020 23: 49 New
      +1
      Moreover, the article directly one after another. The first says that there was a modernization. And now there are more combat ready tanks.
      But the subsequent article of a powerful expert will immediately embalm the ears of Russian haters, they say do not be afraid, we will shower them.
      This is just a battle with common sense
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 29 2020 03: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: JD1979
      I understand that the stereotype created, that there is nothing left in Ukraine, has settled deeply

      This is not a stereotype. For 6 years the Russian government has been instilling in the people: “Do not try to change the government, otherwise it will be“ like in Ukraine. ”And such“ experts ”are fulfilling the order. And many people find it hard to admit that they were stupidly divorced. After all, if you admit that despite the the forecasts of the same experts, "rumors about the death of Ukraine are a little exaggerated", people will have a lot of "bad" thoughts about zeroing.
  14. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 28 2020 21: 28 New
    0
    APU received 25 upgraded T-72 tanks.


    If you do not take into account the name of the brigade (royal lol ), even without modernization, this is a significant force, against the DPR and LPR.

    And communication is a very important thing. As I understand it now, thanks to the satellite system, Ukrainian tanks will be monitored by the command in real time and controlled using a new connection, like in a computer game.

    This all increases the efficiency and mobility of such units.

    They have done quite a lot of old business shells in the Donbass, and they still have a lot of reserves.
  15. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 28 2020 23: 15 New
    0
    Yes, now a series of articles will obviously trample. 2 pcs. right next.
    That's about the flight of Ila from an aircraft carrier has already met 8 articles (3 here).

    Will the record break?
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  17. Dysindich
    Dysindich April 28 2020 23: 41 New
    -3
    Quote: AAG
    I’m ready to get rid of the minuses ... But doesn’t it bother you, do not worry about the fact that what is happening in (in) Ukraine is our hypertrophied reality?
    Do not find parallels?

    We find parallels. Only, this is not our reality, but our hypertrophied past, the 90s in a new reincarnation, an analogue on the "modern element base".
  18. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 29 2020 00: 37 New
    -1
    Ukrainians want to scare us, look, they say, you will behave badly and bring down an avalanche of modernized equipment on you. Well, well, go ahead guys and with the song, there is enough space in the cemetery for everyone.
  19. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 29 2020 04: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Nikolai-1970
    I read Barantz in the early 90s in "Top Secret".
    He is still a warrior. It is enough to google where he served and with whom.
    This is Soloviev with Rogozin in one bottle, only in the army.

    I forgot our main "specialist" - Korotchenko !!!
  20. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 29 2020 04: 47 New
    0
    - "They collect rubbish in the garbage dumps and collect one car from several decommissioned ones. And the modernization of these T-72s - NATO radio stations and attachments before the first battle" - for which "pennies" are enough !!! Any modernization requires huge investments.
  21. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 April 29 2020 11: 13 New
    0
    Baranets is still that iksperd)) Heard by his "expert" assessments and statements in the style of Chernomyrdin-Rogozin
  22. Sarkazm
    Sarkazm April 30 2020 02: 19 New
    0
    Quote: qqqq
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Well, repaired, modernized slightly, what next? How many pieces?

    I am more outraged by the fact of modernization of the achresore T-72, why do not kosher T-64 upgrade? I am tormented by vague doubts that even the Sumerians understood that 64 is rubbish.
    Um, it didn’t occur to us that the T-80U that we returned to service after the modernization was created on the basis of the T-64 and its development of the T-80, but differs by installing a turbine instead of a diesel engine?
    The T-72 is a simplified and cheaper tank, unlike the T-64, both of these tanks are SOVIET, not Russian or Ukrainian, the T-80U / UD is also a SOVIET tank, the T-90 is also a SOVIET tank and nothing more than a modernization T-72 to the level of T-80U / UD.

    And in general, I can’t understand why, over and over again, we turn to the topic of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex with arrogant ridicule, what is the point of this? Pros from the Kiev Tank Repair Plant clearly talk about the real work done and the nature of the overhaul or modernization work, then that journalists and politicians from populism who are far from the topic carry nonsense, this is the third thing. The combat capabilities of the tank are determined by what was laid in it during repair or modernization, and by the level of training of tankers in the Armed Forces, period. All that is beyond this, this is nonsense of the next mare. Assessments and analysis should be pragmatic and objective.
    Let us recall the first Chechen one, recall the problems of our army, recall the gouging and venality of our politicians, Ukraine also passed the same school in 2014. All Ukrainian problems are well known to us, we ourselves drank this. We approached 2014 with an army that, although poorly poor, was on its feet, while Ukrainians came up with an army similar to ours at the beginning of the war in Chechnya. But even after the Chechen experience, is it possible to say that everything was smooth with us on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. in the war with Georgia? - IMHO, no.