Named the reason why the US Navy will not drown the military boats of Iran in the Persian Gulf

In the United States, they are analyzing the statement of Iranian general Amir-Ali Hajizade, the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps). The general previously stated in an interview with one of the Iranian television channels that the IRGC has a list of 400 American objects in the Middle East that could be attacked if US military force is used against Iran.

According to Hajizadeh, one of such goals was originally the US military base Ain al-Assad in Iraq.

Iranian military leader:

When we attacked the Ain al-Assad base, we believed that the Americans would strike back in 20 minutes. And 400 US military facilities have become targets for our missiles.

In the United States, analyzing the statement of the Iranian general, they recalled the threat from Donald Trump to Iran - the threat to attack Iranian combat boats in the Persian Gulf in the event that they would pose a threat to the US Navy ships.

Experts argue about which exactly 400 US military facilities "as targets" for Iran could be discussed if one of the ships of the US Navy sinks an Iranian boat.

It is suggested that, among other things, Iran could attack the Fifth base fleet US naval forces in the state of Bahrain. In addition, the objectives include US military facilities in Kuwait. According to recent reports, in Kuwait there are at least 11 thousand US troops.

Against this background, the question of US missile defense at their military bases also arises. Iran carried out previous missile attacks on US military facilities virtually unhindered - the US missile defense system in the region did not show any successful actions. And therefore, if Iran really has a missile arsenal that can fly hundreds of American military installations in the Middle East, then the United States can have serious problems with protecting these objects from missiles. This is precisely the reason why the U.S. Navy will not go to sinking Iranian combat boats in the Persian Gulf.

Comments

[Victor_B]

As I understand it, like "iron faberge" knocking on the table is one thing, but getting involved in a full-fledged war with Iran before the elections is quite another.
If Trump is reelected, then there’s nothing left to lose, you can play war game.

Well, Iran, too, does not want to be at war with the states as an adult, but to sprinkle with saliva in the Eastern way, "I swayed your pipe!" shouting is sacred!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Victor_B

iron faberge

Faberge seems to be from papier-mâché, only for ringing high-tech gadgets are added. )))

[Victor_B]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Faberge seems to be from papier-mâché, only for ringing high-tech gadgets are added. )))

Fixed on

type "iron faberge"

Quoted

[Ilya-spb]

In my opinion, the Americans just "put on jeans")))

[novel66]

it seems to be becoming a tradition ...

[Doccor18]

You’ll do it here ... Iranian missiles are not Hushits. They have missiles flying right on target ..

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Doccor18

You’ll do it here ... Iranian missiles are not Hushits. They have missiles flying right on target ..

Why insult the chaos, how "bad" they are, ask the Saudis about it ....

[Nosgoth]

You are not a cousin of the youngest Bush? If "Houthis" and "Chaos" are the same for you. Maybe for you "god" and "bug" are also the same thing?

[Peter is not the first]

They are afraid - the normal reaction of countries with at least a little adequate leadership. Otherwise, the whole world has long turned into a world of cockroaches, the only survivors of a global nuclear disaster.
And so, they will shout, "shake", well, in extreme cases, they will blow up one of the "four hundred" enemy objects with a rocket, for example, a detached booth with an American "Ball", and everyone will be happy again that they remained alive and at the same time "shook" something then. Politics!

[Insurgent]

Are the Americans thoughtlessly looking for another "casus belli"?

Once, having found such a (in a unilateral initiative) in the Gulf of Tonkin, the precedent for the United States ended very sadly ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: Insurgent

Americans mindlessly seek out

amers have no time to defend themselves on the border with Iran: they are defending themselves from Iranian missiles .... in Romania and Poland

[novel66]

everything is quite successful there - not a single rocket fell on them

[borberd]

Only shelling missiles of the American base will pull a dozen Casus Bell ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: borberd

Only shelling missiles of the American base will pull a dozen Casus Bell ...

It was already Americans only swallowed

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Insurgent

Americans mindlessly seek out another "casus belli"

If the Yankees want to fight, then there is always a reason. The invasion of Vietnam, Iraq and Yugoslavia did without Casus belli, in the sense that no one attacked US citizens.
In order to launch a company against Iran, Washington may find reasons. Yes, at least shelling of American military bases, with the victims. But ... either not time, or such an incident is needed so that the current (potential) allies turn away from Iran

[Insurgent]

Quote: Gregory_45

Invasion of vietnam

Quote: Gregory_45

without Casus belli

Isn't it about Tonkin "Case belli"was my comment?
Vietnam - On August 2 and 4, 1964, the American side was seeking out at least a tense-formal occasion for a full-scale invasion.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Insurgent

US search for at least a tense-formal occasion for a full-scale invasion

Yes, even without the Tonkin incident, the reasons were invented in bulk.
Let's start with the fact that American servicemen have been in Vietnam since 1961, at the call of France (remember, Vietnam was a colony of this country), and by the 64th the contingent numbered more than 23 thousand - and believe me, they were basically not advisers at all. France had UN support, and so did the United States. So they could get involved in the war practically on "legal" grounds
Secondly, the Tonkin incident did not lead to the immediate outbreak of war. And although the US Congress adopted the so-called Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon Johnson the right to use the country's armed forces in the Vietnam War, he was in no hurry to exercise this right. The next presidential election was just around the corner, and Johnson, who was running under the banner of the "candidate for peace," did not need a war at all. USA and entered the active phase of hostilities only after 8 months - in March 65th.
But Iraq, Yugoslavia - there was not even close the notorious Casus belli, and even UN sanctions

[orionvitt]

Quote: Peter is not the first

They are afraid - the normal reaction of countries with at least a little adequate leadership

The strong are not afraid. strong fear. As for the adequacy of the American leadership. then judging by their statements. grandfather senility settled there long ago.

[Shkworen]

before the election, Trump has no choice but to shake his Faberge viciously :)
and he also needs to shake something from China, and preferably before the election :)

[antivirus]

If Trump is reelected, then there’s nothing left to lose, you can play war game

every Amy administration should bring (conditionally to the Fed?) an increase in sales of dollars, the market of the X-country and, accordingly, deploy the policy of this state to the United States (what place?). OTHERWISE will be thrown out with a shame. The 2nd successful election of Trump is his signature on the demand of bankers. need to prepare.

[Fantazer911]

The states understand that if a war is unleashed, everything flares up in the Middle East, they don’t like them anyway, but there’s such a batch, so mattresses will not dare to plunge into large-scale military operations with partisans and sleeping cells

[Pereira]

But with the batch oil will rise in price. And on the ruins of BV, Russia's influence will be reset.
So I wouldn't rush to giggle.
Practice shows that with the imagination of the amers everything is in order and they constantly surprise opponents. Together with meanness and unscrupulousness, this allows you to achieve very impressive results.
Unpredictability is the main lesson they learned from Vietnam.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Pereira

But with the batch oil will rise in price. And on the ruins of BV, Russia's influence will be reset.

The rise in price of oil for the Russian Federation is better than the imaginary effect on BV ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Fantazer911

The states understand that if they unleash a war, everything in the Middle East will flare up,

Why such a conclusion? During all the wars with Iraq, the BV didn’t flare up for some reason, only occupied Iraq itself ...
During the first war with Iraq, the SAR assigned an armored division to the MNF, in gratitude for that it now blazes and lies in ruins, Iran after the war did not return the Iraqi Air Force planes flying to its territory during the war between the MNF and Iraq .. .
BV, roughly speaking, these are Sunni (majority) and Shiite states, Iran itself is for the most part a Shiite state (the largest), they have no allies in the BV who could help him, because SAR and Yemen themselves in ruins ....
Well, and who will be outraged by the US actions in the BV against Iran, on the contrary, Saudi Arabia and other Persian monarchies, as well as Israeli Jews, under loud cries and hooting will support the United States ...
The former "Little Shaitan" should also not give a damn about Iran, but the Russian Federation should not allow the occupation of northern Iran, I think this is the "red line" for the Russian Federation ....
When fighting against Iran, the United States does not need to occupy the whole Iran, they are only interested in oil fields in western Iran and depriving Iran of access to the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz ... all the armed forces and the IRGC of Iran will be crushed and driven into the interior of the country, forces for this the United States is quite enough ...
And do not forget that the national composition of Iran is heterogeneous ....

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Fantazer911

and here’s such a batch, so the mattresses will not dare to plunge into large-scale hostilities

Why large-scale? The United States is firing Tomahawks from afar, the million-strong Iranian army is kneading the Bahraini-Iraqi-Iraqis, the oil is running low, prices are rising, drillers in the USA are going to work, metallurgists are forging armor, the Saudis are taking dollars and bread. Trump Glory !!!

[knn54]

Iran has thousands of "composite" (fiberglass) motor boats. Unobtrusive to radars and carrying 4-5 Kornet launchers.
Given that the armor on ships is thinner than on tanks, and aircraft carriers have a large number of flammable combustible fuel, the Yankees clearly remembered David and Goliath ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: knn54

Given that the armor on ships is thinner than on tanks, and aircraft carriers have a large number of flammable combustible fuel, the Yankees clearly remembered David and Goliath ...

Yes? With the "Cornet" on the AUG? It's easier with a bare heel on a checker or from an MSL on a tank.
https://topwar.ru/161611-skolko-nado-raket-i-torped-chtob-potopit-avianosec-.html
Why all sorts of "Basalts", "Granites", "Volcanoes"? Why Tu-22 regiments? Why Project 949A? I should have stopped at a scow with a couple of RPG-7s and it's in the bag!

[knn54]

Vasily, imagine for a moment the impact of 8-10 thousand rockets. Of course, and "cooler" than a cornet.
Since the 80s, Iranians have been developing effective mines and torpedoes. There are more than one mini submarine. Radio-controlled boats.
After the collapse of the USSR, a lot of Ukrainian swimmers were trained by Ukrainian specialists, and alas, fighting dolphins.
"Plastic" drones could destroy the oil infrastructure of the Saudis.
The rise in gas prices, Trump voters will not forgive.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: knn54

Vasily, imagine for a moment the blow of 8..10 thousand missiles.

What?
With all due respect, do not take the topic away.

Quote: knn54

Iran has thousands of "composite" (fiberglass) motor boats. Unobtrusive to radars and carrying 4-5 Kornet launchers.
Given that the armor on ships is thinner than on tanks, and aircraft carriers have a large number of flammable combustible fuel, the Yankees clearly remembered David and Goliath ...

And then already

Quote: knn54

Since the 80s, Iranians have been developing effective mines and torpedoes. There are more than one mini submarine. Radio-controlled boats.

appeared. Even a little bit to the occupation of the coast of California it comes. Trim the sturgeon, please!

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Why project 949A? It was necessary to stop on a boat with a couple of RPG-7s and the thing is in the hat!

Normal armor of the tank is 600-800 mm. The thickness of the aircraft carrier is 25 mm. And how are aircraft carriers protected from small fry? Somewhere here, tupuore, there was material - armored personnel carriers were welded to the deck. Creative

[Peter is not the first]

Cool! These dozens, and if you're lucky, hundreds of holes with a diameter of 10-15 mm., In the skin of an aircraft carrier I will make it, above the waterline, looking like a colander.
But the key here was that they would all be above the water level, and yes, they would kill someone, something would suffer, but as the song says: "The detachment did not notice the loss of a soldier" and the aircraft carrier itself would not even suffer, so as to stop performing the flight the task.
All combustible substances and ammunition are hidden below the waterline, and not one torpedo is necessary to inflict critical damage on him, and not these mosquito bites of the ATGM.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: knn54

Iran has thousands "composite" (fiberglass) motor boats. Unobtrusive to radars and carrying 4-5 Kornet launchers.

A reference can this device?

Iranian Navy and their ability to resist US AUG

article of 05.2019

Small patrol and missile boats are an extremely motley bunch of different boats, with a displacement of 14 to 98 tons, in which even a certain number of ekranoplanes and hovercraft managed to lodge.

https://topwar.ru/158036-vms-irana-i-ih-vozmozhnosti-protivostojat-aug-ssha.html
Yesterday I was put in my mailbox with the next issue of "ZVO" for 04.2020, there is just an article: "The Iranian Navy", pp. 64-70.
Iranian Navy: 53 boats - 14 RCA, 18 PKA, 3 watchmen., 3 AKA, 6 DKA, 9 DKVP.
Navy KSIR IRI: 250 boats - 200 RCA of various types and more than 50 PKA.
As you understand, I indicated only boats ....
Judging by the photo in the magazine, "your" boats have 11-barrel MLRS systems (although I may be wrong, the photo is not large) of small caliber (on a metal ramp) and the DShK heavy machine gun in front ...
The development plans of the Navy of the IRI Army and the Navy of the IRGC IRI are different ...
Navy Army IRI - implementation of the project of the national frigate "Moudge" and completion of two of them, construction of diesel-electric submarines "Fateh", equipping ships of the auxiliary fleet of the SCRC (!).
Navy XIR IRI - modernization of the RCA with the installation on them of a launcher with an anti-ship missile system "Kader" (analogue of the Chinese C-802). In addition, and this is (in my opinion) a threat to the US Navy's warships - since 2014, a program has been launched to build UAV bases, incl. drums, each base has about 5 UAVs, currently R&D is underway to create them ...

[Tank hard]

Formidable "twitter diplomacy" in action.

[Maks1995]

Yes, everything is clear.
Not ready to fight - they won’t drown. If you don’t run into yourself. And if they prepare for a strike, they’ll drown it.

Here on the VO there were articles that boats were ineffective against serious ships.
And in the pictures often even a trifle rides without anything large.

[rotmistr60]

If necessary, Iran will strike Kuwait and Bahrain without thinking about what the Americans are well aware of. Trump's next "threatening" statement about the destruction of Iranian boats (not the first and obviously not the last) is exclusively Trump's "trick", which he uses constantly when he does not know what needs to be done in reality. Everything seems to be ill, that now he will threaten and everyone will run to carry out his orders.

[A. Privalov]

The reason why the US Navy will not ...

Excuse me, what is she called?

In the USA they are analyzing ...

Who?

Experts argue ..

Which experts and whose?

An assumption is being made ...

Who speaks out?

With all due respect, "You need to be more careful, guys ..." (c)!
This is an editorial.

[Piramidon]

Quote: A. Privalov

"You need to be more careful, guys ..." (c)!

This is now quite common. The main thing is to write in large print like - "They said in Moscow ...!" and stick a beautiful photo, and the fact that this was said by almost a bum at the Yaroslavl station remains behind the scenes. The main thing is that they really said in Moscow. You won't find fault.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Piramidon

This is now and then. The main thing is to write ...

Alas...

[Pvi1206]

hardly anyone would dare to bring a burning wick to a powder keg ...

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Fantazer911

The states understand that if a war is unleashed, everything flares up in the Middle East, they don’t like them anyway, but there’s such a batch, so mattresses will not dare to plunge into large-scale military operations with partisans and sleeping cells

It always burned there. When the West attacked Iraq, this did not lead to the consolidation of the Muslim world or the East.
With Iran, in which case the same thing will happen.
The difference between Iran is the possibility of retaliation against the Americans and Israel.
But Trump always unambiguously and actively acts on the side of Israel, and Israel longs for a war against Iran, and it is desirable that he doesn’t start,
The first missile strike if they have to deal entirely with Israel is not what they need.

Now the shares of oil companies have fallen, perhaps someone is buying up, when they are buying up, it will be necessary for oil prices to rise again.

The mess in the Persian Gulf will be beneficial to so many.

Who is involved in oil shale, who bought shares, Israel, Trump, etc.

Perhaps the stars will converge this year and not in the best way for Iran.

[Lara Croft]

if Iran really has a missile arsenal that can fly hundreds of American military installations in the Middle East

Key phrase in the article ....

[Ros 56]

There is one reason, bench press point.

[Old26]

Quote: knn54

Iran has thousands of "composite" (fiberglass) motor boats. Unobtrusive to radars and carrying 4-5 Kornet launchers.

I would cut the "sturgeon" every 10-12. They don't have so many boats and Kornets launchers. There are separate boats, separate "Cornets", but not in such quantities.

Quote: knn54

Vasily, imagine for a moment the blow of 8..10 thousand missiles.

You can imagine. To implement is doubtful. They don’t have that much, and it’s hardly possible to organize a strike of thousands of boats with a missile launch range of 4-5 km

Quote: knn54

Since the 80s, Iranians have been developing effective mines and torpedoes.

Develop can and have developed. What's in reality. Several years ago there was something heard about an Iranian torpedo like our "squall", but then - silence. And where to run them from. Three of our Varshavyanka-class submarines requiring repair and three dozen mini-submarines with a pair of torpedoes? But the latter have fewer opportunities to reach the line of attack than even the old "Varshavyanka" ...

Quote: knn54

There are more than one mini submarine. Radio-controlled boats.

There is. Mini boat is about 30. 2-4 TA. They are distributed between the Persian Gulf and the Caspian Sea in a proportion of about 1: 5 Radio-controlled boats ... We keep mentioning EW all the time and out of place, but here radio-controlled boats ... Will they be invulnerable to EW?

Quote: knn54

After the collapse of the USSR, a lot of Ukrainian swimmers were trained by Ukrainian specialists, and alas, fighting dolphins.

No comments. There is simply no information.

Quote: knn54

"Plastic" drones could destroy the oil infrastructure of the Saudis.
The rise in gas prices, Trump voters will not forgive.

In order to destroy the infrastructure with "! Plastic drones" they need to get to this infrastructure. If these are plastic boats, then at least kill yourself against the wall, they cannot do anything against the infrastructure. For Saudi Arabia has a number of oil pipelines running through the territory of the KSA to the Red Sea and through the territory of Oman, outside the Persian Gulf ...

[Kostadinov]

Yes? With the "Cornet" on the AUG? It's easier with a bare heel on a checker or from an MSL on a tank.

If Cornet with PF b.ch. If the aircraft is ready for flight on deck, then the aircraft carrier may be in big trouble.

[lvov_aleksey]

that’s all garbage, Iran is not Yugoslavia, and we are no longer Russia under Yeltsin of the 90s, we will not allow it ...