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“No Correction Plan”: F-35 fighter deprived of long afterburner

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The Pentagon refused to solve one of the key problems of the F-35 fighter - when traveling at supersonic speed, there is a threat of defragmentation of the tail of the aircraft. Instead of making technical changes to eliminate this flaw, it was decided to establish restrictions on the operation of the machine.


It is reported Defense News.

How to close the problem


For the first time about this problem became known in 2019. It consists in the fact that at extremely high altitudes the F-35 in modifications intended for the Navy and Marines is able to fly at supersonic sound for short periods of time, since this mode of movement leads to structural separation and loss of stealth.

This problem may make it impossible for the F-35C US Navy to conduct supersonic intercepts

- writes the edition.

According to him, this problem was closed on December 17, 2019 with a "stroke of the pen" - the report on the shortcomings stated: "there is no correction plan." This wording is used in cases where the user's requirements to eliminate comments do not justify the estimated cost of the changes.

It was understood that the elimination of the defect would require a long development and flight testing of a new coating material that can withstand the impact exerted on it by supersonic for an unlimited time, satisfying weight and other conditions.

Instead, this issue is resolved procedurally by introducing a time limit on high-speed flights.

- reports the publication.
Prolonged supersonic travel is able to damage not only the tail of the glider, but also the antennas located here.



Tactical implications


It may seem terrible that an airplane purchased for flying at supersonic speeds will not be able to do this for a long period of time.

- notes Defense News.

However, as explained to the publication, expert Brian Clark of the Hudson Institute, who is a retired naval officer, unlike the F-22, supersonic sound for the F-35 is not a tactically necessary device. It is needed only in some cases and for short distances, resembling a situation when glass is broken in extreme conditions.

At the same time, Defense News gives other estimates. The retired pilot said that "restrictions on the afterburner can be fatal in melee scenarios." According to him, there is already unfavorable for the USA historical precedent of ignoring the melee. During the Vietnam War, a bet was made on missiles and the idea of ​​a nasal gun was discarded, which caused a surge in deaths in battle. Marine aviation it remembers and therefore does not trust the restrictions on afterburner.

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  1. Amateur
    Amateur April 28 2020 05: 55 New
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    when moving at supersonic speed arises threat of defragmentation the tail of the aircraft.

    Говоря по-человечески "хвост в любой момент может оторваться".
    Well, the statement:
    unlike the F-22, supersonic sound for the F-35 is not a tactically necessary technique.

    automatically transfers the Penguin to the VI generation of aircraft, as according to American TU, afterburning supersonic sound is one of the signs of a fifth generation aircraft.
    PySy: Adepts Fu-35! Here is my liver. Peck!
    1. letinant
      letinant April 28 2020 06: 40 New
      +7
      You correctly understood the link text:
      when driving at supersonic speed, there is a threat of defragmentation of the tail of the aircraft.

      But to me personally, it seems there is an incorrect translation. And for this reason:
      At the same time, Defense News gives other estimates. The retired pilot said that "restrictions on the afterburner can be fatal in melee scenarios."

      If you overlay the text of this link, on the text above in the article:
      However, as explained to the publication, expert Brian Clark of the Hudson Institute, who is a retired naval officer, unlike the F-22, supersonic sound for the F-35 is not a tactically necessary device. It is needed only in some cases and for short distances, resembling a situation when glass is broken in extreme conditions.
      That most likely it is not about supersonic, but about afterburner mode of the engine. But this is a specific disaster for a modern airplane!
      1. umah
        umah April 28 2020 08: 11 New
        12
        there is a threat of defragmentation of the tail of the aircraft

        Defragmentation - restoration of integrity. The author probably meant the opposite effect - destruction.

        supersonic for the F-35 is not a tactically necessary technique

        Perhaps for the next generation of American aircraft, the flight itself will become an optional trick. There will be formidable combat layouts.
        1. letinant
          letinant April 28 2020 08: 36 New
          +2
          Defragmentation - restoration of integrity. The author probably meant the opposite effect - destruction.

          That's right, thanks for the tip. Most likely an incorrect translation, as I said before. The reason, I believe a person is not familiar with the translation on technical topics.
          Perhaps for the next generation of American aircraft, the flight itself will become an optional trick. There will be formidable combat layouts.

          Тут один, читатель, писатель, выразил мысль, про "нейросенсорную связь". Они будут их силой мысли запускать с дивана. А то видишь "у них какие шлемы". А ещё они головой бьются об фонарь при взлёте с катапультой. wassat
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 April 28 2020 10: 52 New
            +3
            And the most interesting in the situation are the numbers:
            Instead of changing the physical design of the aircraft, the Pentagon decided to adjust the operational requirements for the F-35B Lightning II and F-35C Lightning II. Now, such aircraft, according to open data, are allowed to fly at a speed of Mach 1,2 no more than 80 seconds, and at a speed of Mach 1,3 - up to 40 seconds.
            And this at the declared maximum speed of 1900 km / h. hi
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              1. Alex777
                Alex777 April 28 2020 11: 45 New
                +4
                The coating and rear AFAR are falling off.
                The Germans do not want to hear about the F-35.
                And the Turks - just lucky. bully
                1. letinant
                  letinant April 28 2020 11: 50 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alex777
                  The coating and rear AFAR are falling off.
                  The Germans do not want to hear about the F-35.
                  And the Turks - just lucky. bully

                  This is what they already know. But I'm sure there will be a surprise! Yes, I forgot in the last story, there’s still an odd oxygen system, it’s going to turn off, then it’ll give some mixture. Cool airplane.
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor April 28 2020 11: 13 New
          +2
          This is the combat layout with missiles.
    2. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui April 28 2020 07: 15 New
      -12
      Victor ... but to compare himself with titanium Prometheus ... the crown does not shake his head? More modest respected, more modest drinks lol А исходя из статьи можно сделать вывод, что на подходе новые материалы и радиопоглощающее покрытие для пингвина (видимо королевского исходя из его возможностей). На форсаже (длительном), скорее всего , не хвост будет на полшестого , а начнёт разрушаться стелс-покрытие. Сколько времени назад презренные пингвины совершили трансатлантический перелёт с материка на материк самостоятельно ? Сколько их уже наклепали во всех ТРЁХ модификациях ? Кроме этого ограничения и др детских болезней уже ФАКТИЧЕСКИ МАССОВОЙ СЕРИЙНОЙ машины что вы можете сказать о других ВОЗМОЖНОСТЯХ этого пингвина ? Чего бы мы тут не пели, не гундели и не кривились... но кол-во боеготовых эскадрилий неуклонно возрастает. Почему вы лично не можете понять того, что в 21 веке уже стало нормой иметь на выходе высокотехнологичные изделия, потенциал которых до конца не ясен ДАЖЕ тем, кто их произвёл на свет божий. Для меня "пынгвын" , в первую голову, является коммуникационным центром сбора и обработки наземной и воздушной компоненты - этакий сканер 21 века. Сравните шлем и экипировку их пилота и нашего - есть разница ? Наличие шлема с дополненной реальностью - это мелочь по вашему ? Нейросенсорный обмен между пилотом и машиной - это вообще семечки ? Двигло у пингвина по тяговооруженности одно из самых лучших в мире. Про радарную систему и возможности синтезирования скромно помолчим. Линза Люмьера ( вроде не ошибся)...ну и т.д. Что вы можете ответить на мои вопросы как чела явно не из ВВС, но которому не лень читать определённую периодику... hi
      1. Amateur
        Amateur April 28 2020 08: 03 New
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        Lumiere's lens (it seems he was not mistaken).

        You are good at
        Sensor Neural Exchange between Pilot and Machine
        something like Luneberg is in the movie, and the Lumiere brothers are in the radar. Well, from Prometheus only the liver is offered.
        1. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui April 28 2020 08: 48 New
          -9
          A more specific answer to my questions is weak, or is it so more convenient?
          1. Amateur
            Amateur April 28 2020 09: 32 New
            +3
            A more specific answer to my questions is weak, or is it so more convenient?

            “Go, go,” said Bender, “I serve only on Saturdays, there is nothing to fill here.” .. (I. Ilf. E. Petrov)
            1. viktor_ui
              viktor_ui April 28 2020 09: 37 New
              -10
              Yes Vityok ... Wali himself to Bender once nothing to cover fellow TOLKOVO did not answer any of my questions.
      2. letinant
        letinant April 28 2020 08: 24 New
        +7
        Quote: viktor_ui
        Victor ... but to compare himself with titanium Prometheus ... the crown does not shake his head? More modest respected, more modest drinks lol А исходя из статьи можно сделать вывод, что на подходе новые материалы и радиопоглощающее покрытие для пингвина (видимо королевского исходя из его возможностей). На форсаже (длительном), скорее всего , не хвост будет на полшестого , а начнёт разрушаться стелс-покрытие. Сколько времени назад презренные пингвины совершили трансатлантический перелёт с материка на материк самостоятельно ? Сколько их уже наклепали во всех ТРЁХ модификациях ? Кроме этого ограничения и др детских болезней уже ФАКТИЧЕСКИ МАССОВОЙ СЕРИЙНОЙ машины что вы можете сказать о других ВОЗМОЖНОСТЯХ этого пингвина ? Чего бы мы тут не пели, не гундели и не кривились... но кол-во боеготовых эскадрилий неуклонно возрастает. Почему вы лично не можете понять того, что в 21 веке уже стало нормой иметь на выходе высокотехнологичные изделия, потенциал которых до конца не ясен ДАЖЕ тем, кто их произвёл на свет божий. Для меня "пынгвын" , в первую голову, является коммуникационным центром сбора и обработки наземной и воздушной компоненты - этакий сканер 21 века. Сравните шлем и экипировку их пилота и нашего - есть разница ? Наличие шлема с дополненной реальностью - это мелочь по вашему ? Нейросенсорный обмен между пилотом и машиной - это вообще семечки ? Двигло у пингвина по тяговооруженности одно из самых лучших в мире. Про радарную систему и возможности синтезирования скромно помолчим. Линза Люмьера ( вроде не ошибся)...ну и т.д. Что вы можете ответить на мои вопросы как чела явно не из ВВС, но которому не лень читать определённую периодику... hi

        Вы о чём? Какая нафиг нейросенсорная связь? Это проекция информации на стекло. Сила мысли, БЛИН, или слово просто слово понравилось? Мой совет смотрите меньше фантастики. О какой боеготовности можно говорить, 1) пушка и аэроплан живут двумя разными жизнями, 2) где воздушные бои, хотя бы учебные, 3) все страны которые его эксплуатируют в боевой обстановке никаких отзывов о нём не дают (Израиль, США). Израиль как то обмолвился, вроде такого: "мы вчера бомбили, да кстати это были Ф-35" и всё. Ещё вопрос где их Ф-35? молчок. США, был бы боеготовый самолёт быстренько отослали на передовую, а то Ф-22 и всё.
        1. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui April 28 2020 08: 46 New
          -17
          Alexei, if you do not know anything about sensorineural exchange, this does not mean that it is NOT. Displaying information on lobovuha the apotheosis of tenology in you - do not tell. And in terms of neurosensory exchange, it’s there and the technology has been developing quite a while (yes, the power of thought is practical, because the generation of a specific thought or image is the essence of a particular chain of electromagnetic pulses generated by the subcortex, and if you have a hat-mesh with sensors, you can control the glands, of course, which have an interface for exchanging data and actuators with controllers and software. For you personally, in the very beginning of the 2000s you could buy a similar CIVILIAN device in my office equipment store in my city. Put on your head, establish a connection with your computer and adapt full control through software Scrolling the dock back and forth, turning off the PC, selecting a group of files, managing a DVD drive (you can use it with your voice), etc. ... but there was one BUT, if you were in the morning with a break, the system refused to identify you as the owner and needed to be re-calibrated, so don’t tell me about science fiction in this regard.
          1. lucul
            lucul April 28 2020 09: 59 New
            11
            And in terms of neurosensory exchange, it’s there and the technology has been developing quite a while (yes, the power of thought is practical, because the generation of a specific thought or image is the essence of a particular chain of electromagnetic pulses generated by the subcortex, and if you have a hat-mesh with sensors, you can control the glands, of course, which have an interface for the exchange of data and actuators with controllers and software.

            For a long time soooo did not laugh)))))
            As the saying goes - when there is nothing to cover, you have to fool any nonsense.
            The absence of afterburner - immediately puts an end to the plane, like a fighter. That is, in fact, the F-35 simply will not be able to physically catch up / intercept the Tu-160, and any of our fighter in addition. And if we take into account that we have long-range missiles as well, then the F-35 does not make much sense to take off. All the same will do the F-16 for goraazazdo less money))))
          2. not main
            not main April 28 2020 21: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: viktor_ui
            Alexei, if you don’t know about sensorineural exchange,

            I did not read further.
        2. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui April 28 2020 08: 57 New
          -14
          and you really have to catch up on the current state of sensorineural data exchange between a person and a machine: in Germany, one respected neurohirug uses this data exchange to work with people in a coma (non-artificial). One of the final results revealed by him is the establishment of a fact with the patient’s I and the interaction with his consciousness and memories ... FANTASY ???
          1. letinant
            letinant April 28 2020 10: 04 New
            +6
            Quote: viktor_ui
            and you really have to catch up on the current state of sensorineural data exchange between a person and a machine: in Germany, one respected neurohirug uses this data exchange to work with people in a coma (non-artificial). One of the final results revealed by him is the establishment of a fact with the patient’s I and the interaction with his consciousness and memories ... FANTASY ???

            Я ещё раз дам вам совет, смотрите меньше фантастику. При современном состоянии нейросистем, их не возможно использовать в военной технике (перегрузки, удары и т.д.). Вы когда нибудь проходили энцефалограмму? Так вот, это и есть нейронная связь мозга с машиной (считывание импульсов). Так там дёргаться нельзя, от слова, СОВСЕМ. Наверное, вы посмотрели фильм F-117, производства 90-х годов, производитель США. Так там такой шлем как сейчас на Ф-35. Ну если серьёзно ознакомтесь с изделием, прежде чем его рекламировать. Нет там нейросети, не было и в ближайшее время не будет. Такое количество проводов необходимо для передачи видео информации проецируемой на стекло шлема от разных датчиков, потому там два стекла, прозрачное (не убирается в шлем) и солнцезащитное (убирается в шлем). А про хирурга поподробней (как зовут, клиника где практикует, проверю вашу информацию). Информацию о шлеме я узнал на сайте производителя "Локхид-Мартин".
            1. viktor_ui
              viktor_ui April 28 2020 13: 31 New
              -5
              to each his own ... you read the info on a bundle of wires and rest assured that there are no other ways of transmitting and reading packet data in nature.
              http://meta.kz/416752-vrachi-smogli-pogovorit-s-pacientom-v-kome.html это вам для анализа. Обратите внимание на год. По спецу из Германии инфу дать вам не могу к сожалению.
              You can ask a question in Google.
              1. letinant
                letinant April 28 2020 13: 47 New
                +5
                Quote: viktor_ui
                to each his own ... you read the info on a bundle of wires and rest assured that there are no other ways of transmitting and reading packet data in nature.
                http://meta.kz/416752-vrachi-smogli-pogovorit-s-pacientom-v-kome.html это вам для анализа. Обратите внимание на год. По спецу из Германии инфу дать вам не могу к сожалению.
                You can ask a question in Google.

                Are you kidding me? This is a link to EMRT (magnetic resonance imaging)! You want to say that the Americans put in a TOMOGRAPH helmet! Well you do! And what’s wrong with the doctor? I would like to get acquainted with his work, there are probably articles.
                1. viktor_ui
                  viktor_ui April 28 2020 14: 07 New
                  -5
                  Of course EMRT ... it’s just done at a different technological level, relying on a modern technological base including a neuroscanner reader, a data exchange bus, a processing computer and the corresponding software. I won’t give an address with pictures - I unsubscribed above that there is no possibility. Interested in if, dig a topic ... there are highly specialized films on this topic. Good luck.
                  1. letinant
                    letinant April 28 2020 14: 45 New
                    +4
                    Quote: viktor_ui
                    Of course EMRT ... it’s just done at a different technological level, relying on a modern technological base including a neuroscanner reader, a data exchange bus, a processing computer and the corresponding software. I won’t give an address with pictures - I unsubscribed above that there is no possibility. Interested in if, dig a topic ... there are highly specialized films on this topic. Good luck.

                    Well, here's another one, look for it yourself. I know without you, everything that you wrote is complete nonsense.
      3. Private-K
        Private-K April 28 2020 08: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: viktor_ui
        Based on the article, it can be concluded that new materials and a radar absorbing coating for the penguin are approaching

        В статье прямо говориться - "нет плана исправления", что означает - работ по созданию нового стелс-покрытия not conducted; as no other work is underway to change the design of the airframe to eliminate newly identified problems.
        Quote: viktor_ui
        In addition to this limitation and other childhood illnesses, the ACTUALLY MASS Mass SERIES machine what can you say about other POSSIBILITIES of this penguin

        We can say that the list critical problems are growing and these critical problems are not resolved but stroke of the pen are transferred to the category of non-critical. What is typical fraud.
        We can say that there are too many interested dignitaries who do not want to be held responsible for declaring both the Fu35 concept itself and its poor implementation erroneous. The car came out clearly bad, obviously unsuccessful, obviously megaproblematic (and, as is already obvious, the problems are not solved, but simply declared not significant.)
        Quote: viktor_ui
        Whatever we sing here, the tunnels and the crooked ... but the number of combat-ready squadrons is steadily increasing.

        "Боеготовых" самолётов со списком неустранимых не устраняемых критических проблем принципиально снижающих боевой потенциал самолёта? А такой вот подход точно делает самолёт боеготовым? Вы уверены?
        Quote: viktor_ui
        Penguin dviglo on thrust-weight ratio is one of the best in the world.

        Вы надеетесь на нашу короткую память? Меньше года назад скорости полётов "великолепного" самолёта с "великолепным" двигателем пришлось резко ограничить и по скорости и по времени. Не надейтесь - мы не забыли о той, опять таки, не устранённой критической проблеме. hi
        1. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui April 28 2020 09: 33 New
          -8
          Oleg ... the curves, the bad and the blind (in your opinion) will simply crush our Air Force in a crowd ... and with them they can get to the heap starting from F-14 onwards, ending with the UAV. The question is not how bad the penguin is, but what it is more and more, including the entire multi-level infrastructure attached to it. And in terms of fraud, and who is there multiple champions - you won’t immediately tell who is lying more and more flowery. All are good to the heap. Yes ... maybe they are waiting for the next technological breakthrough for them and therefore there is no correction plan ... a timeout, but it’s their pain in the neck and it’s up to them to agree. I’m calm for your memory ... but it was then a decision of that time ... we can’t know the true state of affairs, but we can only judge by indirect signs - the progress is clearly on the face based on the number of trained pilots for the F-35 . Bad and at such a rate of reproduction .... HMMMM.
      4. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 April 28 2020 09: 10 New
        +2
        Compare the helmet and equipment of their pilot and ours - is there a difference? ...... The Helmet system for our fighters appeared in the 80s of the last century. the average wing load on penguins is prohibitive. the thrust-weight ratio is below unity, the ammunition reception is limited, and the radar system .... without AWACS or how, exactly like without a satellite constellation .... it’s not clear what you are harnessing for a penguin
        1. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui April 28 2020 09: 34 New
          -8
          Vladimir Your key word on the helmet is the development of the 80s of the XX century ... the argument is over.
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 April 29 2020 13: 35 New
            0
            the argument is over ..... I did not argue with you, but I discussed it. it is not clear what the Helmet system confused you ??? Well, as I understand it from your text, that indeed the load on the wing and the thrust-weight ratio of lightning are lower than the baseboard. in any case, the characteristics of the manufacturers themselves are declared. I have nothing to do with it
            1. viktor_ui
              viktor_ui April 29 2020 14: 57 New
              0
              Vladimir, in terms of discussion then, you have to agree that the pilot’s helmet and pilot’s outfit are simply obliged to undergo transformation and metamorphosis due to the complexity of the flying product itself - if I’m mistaken and everything has been successfully molded so much that the SU-27 .. that the SU-35 have the same performance characteristics, ergonomics, the interaction of the pilot and the plane ... It's just that on the head and how and what the penguin pilot is wearing ... and how our pilots are equipped. Really the technological difference is not visible ... with all the real and imaginary shortcomings of the opponent. We will not discard the concept of BLOCK (current modification) and version.
              traction ------- mass -------- - towbar * 0.785
              F-15A ----- 2x11,34 - 12,25 + 0.99 + 3.1 ---- 1,39 ---------- 1.09
              F-15C ----- 2x10,7 - 12,8 + 0.99 + 3.1 ----- 1,27 ---------- 0.99
              F-15F ----- 2x13,18 - 14,52 + 0.8 + 3.1 ---- 1,43 ---------- 1.12

              Su-27 ----- 2x12,5 - 16,3 + 1.05 + 2.58 ------ 1,25 ----------- 0.98
              Su-30 ----- 2x12,5 - 17 + 0.9 + 2.58 ------- 1,22 ----------- 0.96
              Su-30MKI —- 2x12,8 - 17.7 + 0.9 + 2.58 ------ 1,21 ---------- 0.95
              Su-35 ----- 2x12,8 - 18,4 + 0.9 + 2.58 ------ 1,17 ---------- 0.92

              MiG-29 ---- 2x8,3 - 10,9 + 1.05 + 2.2 ---- 1,17 ---------- 0.92
              MiG-29S --- 2x8,3 - 11,2 + 1.05 + 2.2 ---- 1,15 ---------- 0.9
              MiG-29M --- 2x8,625 - 11,6 + 1.05 + 2.2 --- 1,16 ----------- 0.91
              MiG-29SMT - 2x8,3 - 11,6 + 0.9 + 2.2 ---- 1,13 ---------- 0.89

              F-16C Bl30 - 1x10,7 - 8,27 + 0.99 + 1.55 ----- 0,99 ---------- 0.78
              F-16C 229 - 1x13,18 - 8,27 + 0.8 + 1.55 ---- 1,24 ---------- 0.97

              F / A-18C - 2x8 ------ 11,2 + 0.99 + 2.23 ------- 1,11 ---------- 0.87
              F / A-18E - 2x10 ----- 13,864 + 0.8 + 2.93 ----- 1,14 ---------- 0.89

              F-35A ---- 1x19.52 - 12 + 0.8 + 3.68 --------- 1,18 --------- 0.93

              How reliable ... but you can’t say for sure that Lockheed Martin does not know how to do military aviation and it’s nonsense.
              Well, in terms of turning monograms in the sky ... pilots from both sides still have to fly to the dog dump.
              Н
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 April 30 2020 17: 12 New
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                We still will not discount the concept of BLOCK ... well, Victor, you yourself posted the TTX, which I actually claimed. Well, lightning does not have the superiority that should be. wing loading is the same
                . Pilots on both sides still need to fly to the dog dump .... but here there are doubts. basically at this stage of local warfare, combat aircraft rubs side by side. so the dog dump no matter how when relevant at the moment. and in the near future
                at the expense of the Helmet system .... well, I do not know if the level of information content is increased there or not. Nevertheless, according to the words of my friend Ka-52 pilot, it works great in a helicopter
                1. viktor_ui
                  viktor_ui 1 May 2020 08: 47 New
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                  Vladimir, maybe the penguin concept itself does not provide for close combat (as an extreme case) ... the emphasis is placed on the existing technological superiority, which is increasing with each new block (that is, that is, we will not shrug it off). It would be very interesting to compare the quantitative ratio of the versatile sensors of the F-35 and the latest modifications of Sushki or Migare ... because the more the machine collects the operational environment available to it, processes, exchanges it with its control center ... the more detailed and augmented reality the pilot will receive on your helmet-mounted screen, which ultimately will allow the more advanced to win his life in a real clash (which has been repeatedly demonstrated in real clashes).
                  In general, the F-35 will definitely work in a multi-level team with other cars + UAVs. Well, why am I strumming all this on the clave - I have a simple desire for us to unambiguously keep up with the times in all respects. Here, many fought with me in terms of the neurointerface - such as a fairy tale and a bablabla ... fairy tales for them, but with the help of them you can write music, control a quadcopter, etc ... and this is available for sale on order. Let them live in their own world. My civil vehicle has MORE THAN 1000 sensors for collecting information and I perceive it as a server on 4 wheels. As an administrator, I was interested in establishing contact with her from home through a closed gateway and talking to her in terms of testing and calibrations in more comfortable conditions. By the way, when the F-35 takes off from the aircraft carrier, then the person there holds a two-way data exchange scanner in their hands and sees the generalized level of readiness of the main penguin systems before take-off - this is normal and I know, because I understand what this thing is for.
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter April 28 2020 07: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: Amateur
      automatically translates the Penguin into the VI generation of aircraft,

      Тоже хотел отметить. Бесфорсажный сверхзвук - где? Когда "пингвин" и на форсаже еле еле, и то ограниченное, как оказалось, время... Та же история с "китайцем"! Только русские обязаны выполнять прописанные правила!
      57th not to consider 5 generation? And his supersound is not fully implemented, and something else is faulty ...
      And yourself? And when there will be this afterburner supersonic, what then will come up with? tongue
      1. antivirus
        antivirus April 28 2020 08: 33 New
        -4
        And when there will be this afterburner supersonic, what then will come up with?

        - everything turned out to be simple - material science - solidus and liquidus lines ... (I don’t remember the character anymore) determine temperatures and loads from the nozzle
        and Mordashov and Lisin turned out to be rather weak against the Amer metallurgists - there are more of them and a higher number for 11 aircraft carriers and abrams (? thousand pieces) this is enough.
        result of market reforms
      2. venik
        venik April 28 2020 08: 49 New
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        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Бесфорсажный сверхзвук - где? Когда "пингвин" и на форсаже еле еле, и то ограниченное, как оказалось, время...

        =======
        Well, judging by this parameter ..... Even Su-35 is ALREADY the 5th generation! Do not believe me ?:
        "...when the engines were operating in the afterburner mode, the aircraft, while in small supersonic sound, continued to accelerate. In the process of acceleration, the aircraft reached Mach M-1,1. ....". request
    4. fider
      fider April 28 2020 07: 56 New
      +6
      Amateur
      "автоматически переводит Пингвина в VI поколение самолетов"
      Well, here! Amers already have a 6th generation airplane. Glory to amateurs. !!!! tongue laughing
      1. Amateur
        Amateur April 28 2020 08: 26 New
        +5
        Amers already have a 6th generation aircraft. Glory to amateurs. !!!!

        Ну не в 4 же поколение его переводить. Вы можете представить себе такую картину: Сидит некий господин, чешет рукой пейсы и думает:" Все таки надули эти американские п o цы и всучили своего Пингвина. Но если об этом узнают другие, то что они про нас могут подумать?"
        The audience shouted: "They cheated!" Angry, they jumped up and climbed to break the stage and beat the actors. But here is some
        the tall, gangly gentleman jumped onto the bench and cried out:
        - Wait a minute! Just one word, gentlemen!
        They stopped to listen.
        - You and I were cheated - they cheated! But we, I think, do not want to be the laughing stock of the whole city, so that we are bullied all our lives. Here's what: let's leave here calmly, we will praise the performance and deceive everyone else! Then we will all be in an equal position. So or not?
        “Of course it is!” Well done, judge! - shouted all in one voice.
        - Okay, then not a word about the fact that you and I were deceived. Go home and advise everyone to go see the show.

        (М.Твен. "Приключения Гекльберри Финна)
    5. Evil543
      Evil543 April 28 2020 08: 25 New
      +3
      Now it’s not the liver, but the brain wassat
      1. Amateur
        Amateur April 28 2020 09: 26 New
        +2
        Already!

        This is the one that
        First of all, it is a communication center for collecting and processing ground and air components - a sort of scanner of the 21st century. Compare the helmet and equipment of their pilot and ours - is there a difference? The presence of a helmet with augmented reality ...
    6. Yuriy77
      Yuriy77 April 28 2020 10: 13 New
      +1
      Amendment - not only in the VI generation, but in the IV
    7. fider
      fider 17 May 2020 10: 49 New
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      An amateur, why is it so in VI, and not in VIII right away? tongue laughing
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 28 2020 06: 13 New
    +4
    Here is the 5th generation of American fighter jets ...
    1. Range
      Range April 28 2020 06: 50 New
      +5
      Penguin, in principle, can not belong to the 5th generation. There is no afterburning supersonic. Penguin is not only a penguin in Antarctica, he is also a penguin in Africa. wink
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B April 28 2020 06: 54 New
        +8
        Quote: Spectrum
        Penguin, in principle, can not belong to the 5th generation. There is no afterburning supersonic. Penguin is not only a penguin in Antarctica, he is also a penguin in Africa. wink

        Penguin bird is proud!
        Until you kick, it won’t fly!
  3. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 28 2020 06: 18 New
    +5
    Isn't defragmentation an assembly of fragments? Or the fu-35 tail is simply sintered into a monolithic piece of g ....?
    Но сам факт запрета на полёты на форсаже в течение длительного времени превращает "пингвина" из нелетающего в ползающего. Совершенно бесполезный кусок самизнаетечего. laughing
    1. AUL
      AUL April 28 2020 06: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      Is defragmentation not an assembly from fragments
      Quite the opposite - disassembly into fragments! DEFragmentation - loss of fragments (degassing, defecation ... defloration finally).
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        April 28 2020 06: 57 New
        +4
        degassing, defecation ... defloration finally


        All this is just f-35 and is going through
      2. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat April 28 2020 17: 41 New
        +2
        Do you know computers? You know, there are such devices. So there Defragmentation - restore entire files to disk. DE means destruction. Destruction. And if you suddenly drop DE- from your example words, it will turn out - gassing - gas treatment, feces - filling with feces. Do not confuse
  4. Eug
    Eug April 28 2020 06: 45 New
    +4
    Вот интересно - длительности форсажа для взлета хватает? Так чтобы без "фрагментации"... или взлет на бесфорсажном режиме с последующей дозаправкой? Выкрутиться можно из любой ситуации, особенно разово, но насколько это будет приемлемо на постоянной основе? В годы Великой Отечественной наши Кулибины на Аэрокобрах уголок наваривали из-за недостаточной жесткости хвостового оперения - Пингвин наверняка придет в ужас от такого решения проблемы. И фраза "была отбоошена идея носового орудия" сильно удивила ☺
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre April 28 2020 08: 09 New
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      Quote: Eug
      That's interesting - the duration of the afterburner for takeoff is enough?

      On take-off, he can also on afterburner, but not on supersonic.
      During the Great Patriotic War, our Kulibins on the Aerial Cobra welded a corner due to insufficient rigidity of the tail
      They can brew. But they dream of maintaining low radar visibility.
  5. Dmitry from Voronezh
    Dmitry from Voronezh April 28 2020 06: 45 New
    +4
    The news, of course, is good. However, good and small. Now, if he lost stealth at any altitude with prolonged afterburner ... And so, he would not have to fly at extremely high altitudes very often. So, this is a trifle, not very pleasant for Americans, but just a trifle. Therefore, they are not going to correct it, because it will do so.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 28 2020 07: 00 New
    +4
    an airplane purchased for flying at supersonic speeds will not be able to do this for a long period of time
    Сначала расхваливают, превозносят и вынуждают покупать, потом начинают выплывать недостатки, часть которых пытаются устранить, но при этом продолжают хвалить самолет. Теперь оказывается новая "напасть" и, что дальше? А ничего. Всплывут новые недостатки, но главная цель достигнута - получение прибыли на продаже окончательно не доведенного до ума самолета.
  7. Svetlana
    Svetlana April 28 2020 07: 33 New
    +1
    Any product of human hands has certain restrictions. And for devices, it’s not without reason that they write instructions for use where these restrictions are written. And yes, they do not use an engineer.
  8. Avior
    Avior April 28 2020 07: 45 New
    +1
    Key phrase that many seem to have missed
    . at extremely high altitudes F-35 in versions designed for the Navy and Marines, is able to fly at supersonic sound for short periods of time

    A rarely used mode, in which over time there is a detachment on the afterburner.
    No wonder the problem surfaced only after a big raid
    It is doubtful that in reality this gives any serious restrictions on the operation and use of
  9. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na April 28 2020 08: 02 New
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    However, Lockheed has a strong lobby, if they managed to cram the military and US partners, frankly, a crude aircraft with a bunch of defects, some of which cannot be fixed!
  10. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre April 28 2020 08: 05 New
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    Quote: Amateur
    automatically translates the Penguin into the VI generation of aircraft
    Only not in the VI (sixth) generation, but in IV - the fourth. However. in which he was originally. Whatever the advertisement says. It’s just that instead of 4 ++, it’s just 4th.
  11. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre April 28 2020 08: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Eugene-Eugene
    All this is just f-35 and is going through

    Moreover, sequentially. On long supersonic.
  12. andranick
    andranick April 28 2020 08: 39 New
    +1
    Somewhat off topic, but now I noticed just such an interesting picture on planeradar:
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy April 28 2020 09: 07 New
      +1
      Self-isolation)) that's winding trapeze)
  13. mikhailovich22
    mikhailovich22 April 28 2020 08: 53 New
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    Fragmentation is the process of crushing something into many small disparate fragments.
    Antonym defragmentation. That is, according to the author, at the supersonic in the F-35 there is a restoration of the tail of the aircraft?
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 28 2020 09: 28 New
    +1
    And, all this garbage, IMHO.
    Most likely there is simply a bad translation.
    Т.к. в начале статьи хвост то-ли разваливается, то ли склеиваеся - "...дефрагментации..." , а в середке расслаивается стелс-покрытие.

    Total: in marine (lightweight) versions with a long, but unspecified time - 5 or 20 or 40 minutes - the afterburner exfoliates the stealth coating on the tail.

    But in comparison with what they wrote earlier - ALL coverage on all modifications cracked under ordinary supersonic sound - this is progress. And they did the right thing - there is nothing to fly during training on afterburning supersonic at super-altitude.

    They also wrote nicely about our MIGIs and TUs in VO - overheating is almost red-hot, the glass of the cabin is quickly scrapped, etc. Only everything is classified .....
  15. Forest
    Forest April 28 2020 10: 30 New
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    "Что они не делали не идут дела ,на проклятом острове" )
  16. missuris
    missuris April 28 2020 13: 38 New
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    hmmm, how did it even go through acceptance? or as usual someone entered a supersonic without any minimum parameters?

    I was thinking, with the new data, it turns out that the F-35 is a new normally flying F-117 subsonic, i.e. normally takes off, flies normally and sits normally. also stealth.
  17. awdrgy
    awdrgy April 28 2020 18: 58 New
    0
    Uuu well, everything is not the fifth generation Sucks)) Nada redo
  18. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 28 2020 19: 38 New
    +2
    It’s not for nothing that they called you a penguin, where did you see a flying penguin?))
    1. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh April 29 2020 01: 25 New
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      It’s not clear. At high altitudes, where the resistance of the medium is less in view of the discharged one and it cannot be forced to give it. And at the bottom, as some say, it’s possible.
      Who will explain the physics of the process.
  19. Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok 1 May 2020 00: 00 New
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    Everything is as usual a little wrong. The problem was identified in 2011 on modifications C and B. It appeared only twice in one case on aircraft of the specified type. When flying at speeds of 1.2M and higher with afterburner. Since then, the coating has been changed and the problem cannot be reproduced anymore. Failed. But since there is no guarantee of eliminating the manifestation of this in 100% of cases, it is currently not recommended to make long supersonic flights with afterburner. I think that the matter is in a very powerful F-35 engine, which gives Pts a hot and voluminous torch on afterburner. As for the supersonic flight itself, everyone basically flies on a subsonic basis, since this gives fuel economy and range. And what kind of supersonic is there if you carry it on pylons, on the external suspension say a couple of tons of bombs and missiles ?! Here the resistance will not allow you to. And the F-35 (version A and C), by the way, inside the standard can carry four AIM-120 and two 900 kg UAB (and a year ago the manufacturer announced that it had developed a new internal suspension scheme that allows placing 6 AIM-120 in the air- air) I would look at the MiG-29/35, which carries a similar set of weapons on the external suspension (do not forget to take into account the weight / resistance of the pylons for weapons) and how it will come to supersonic with this.