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One of the “claims” to the Kuril Islands: Japan’s forces on the northern borders

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Given the unresolved territorial conflicts with Russia, Japan pays great attention to protecting its northern border. Indeed, in addition to China and the DPRK, Tokyo is also considering Russia as an important potential adversary.


Of course, the Self-Defense Forces of Japan are seriously inferior in size to the Imperial Army of Japan during World War II. But Japan has always sought to strengthen them seriously, primarily military-technical. Therefore, among the modern armed forces of the countries of the world, the Self-Defense Forces of Japan are far from last.

Japan’s military budget is practically comparable to the Russian one, although Tokyo strongly emphasizes its “peacefulness” and even refers to the armed forces as self-defense forces. For 2020, the Japanese military budget amounted to $ 50 billion, while part of the money is planned to be spent on the creation of a special unit for operations in space, and another part - on the re-equipment of the largest destroyer Izumo in the Naval Self-Defense Forces into a light aircraft carrier.

As the borders of Japan with other countries pass by sea, the navy, which is officially called the Japanese Self-Defense Forces, has always played a special role in their defense. Now the number of its personnel is 50 thousand 800 people. In service are destroyer-helicopter-carrier destroyers, several types of destroyers, frigates, submarines of the Soryu and Oyashio types, other ships and boats, and marine aircraft aviation. All of them can be involved in the defense of the northern borders of the country.


In 2017, the Japanese leadership began to create a new kind of troops as part of the Naval Self-Defense Forces - the Marine Corps. Earlier, the country had no marine corps as a shock combat branch. Now Japan is developing a new type of troops, preparing for some landing operations.

The next type of armed forces is the Self-Defense Air Force, which Tokyo also pays great attention to. The number of personnel of the Air Self-Defense Forces is also about 48 thousand people, at least 760 aircraft are in service. Now Japan is actively updating its combat aircraft fleet.

Japan’s land self-defense forces number 150. Moreover, 50 thousand of them are deployed on the northern island of Hokkaido, which is considered as the main springboard in the event of a confrontation with Russia. It has armored and infantry divisions, 2 infantry brigades, 1 artillery and 1 anti-aircraft missile brigades, an engineering brigade, a rear support brigade, a communications regiment, a military medical regiment, military intelligence battalions, electronic warfare forces, and an anti-airborne artillery division.


As you can see, very powerful forces are concentrated in Hokkaido, and the Japanese command pays special attention to the development of their landing potential. But where can the Japanese troops stationed in Hokkaido land? The answer to this question, I think, is understandable.

It is also worth noting that the American troops located in the country play a very important role in ensuring the security of the northern territories. It was fearing confrontation with Russia, China, and the DPRK that Japan still agrees with the US military presence. On the islands of Honshu and Hokkaido in northern Japan, there are three US Air Force military bases. The mere fact that nuclear can be used from these bases weapon, forces Russia to pay special attention to the organization of the air defense system of the Kuril Islands.

Japan’s declared desire to conclude a peace treaty with Russia correlates very poorly with the ongoing campaign in the Japanese media that it is time for the country to regain control of the "northern occupied territories", as the islands of Habomai, Iturup, Kunashir and Shikotan are called in Japan. For Japan, the question of the islands is of fundamental importance, claims to them remain, which Tokyo does not hide. But Russia is not going to sacrifice its territorial integrity. This clause is prescribed in the Constitution quite clearly. Therefore, our country, especially against the backdrop of Japanese military activity in the region, is forced to hold considerable forces in the Kuril Islands, able to cool down excessive fervor with its presence.
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  1. Charik
    Charik April 27 2020 20: 52 New
    +1
    We need to know how many and what "toys" they have
    1. Megatron
      Megatron April 28 2020 00: 24 New
      0
      Let's admit the obvious fact: that if they land 50.000 people on our islands, then, with all the heroism of the defenders, they will not be beaten off, they will simply crush them with a number. And knowing our entire naval mess, while the Pacific Fleet is raking up, they will have time to gain a foothold there, further strengthening the fleet. It remains only to wave a nuclear club. But whether our comprador regime has enough will for this, the question is already interesting.
      1. your1970
        your1970 April 28 2020 01: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: Megatron
        It remains only to wave a nuclear club.

        And if for example burn a dozen other tankers on the approaches to Japan? Or is that all?
        Or nationalize everything owned by Japanese firms?
        Yes, a lot of fun options ...
        And you immediately - "wave a nuclear club", "the Pacific Fleet will not have time"

        You imagine the consequences for the exchange (and the economy !!) of Japan, if the Russian Federation, for example, announces that it will do anything for the capture of the islands is a war?
        Yes, SAMI stockists will not only make hara-kiri to the Japanese government, but they will also bury it at their own expense right there ..
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 02: 52 New
          +1
          In order to burn tankers on the way to Japan, one must have superiority in water, under water and in the air. You, your 1970, are apparently off topic, but Russia has no such superiority in the Far East.
          Therefore, you really have to wave a nuclear club. But it’s not enough for the leadership of Russia to strike it. After all, the personal money of the Russian leadership in Panama, the Bahamas and the Cayman Islands. If Russia really hits Japan, then the Anglo-Saxo-Jews will block the money.
          Our cellists know about this and will sell the interests of Russia for the sake of their savings in Western banks.
          1. Grits
            Grits April 28 2020 04: 13 New
            +9
            There will simply be nothing to beat back the Kuril Islands occupied by the Japanese - one can say there are no ships at the Pacific Fleet. The fact that they can be occupied very quickly, I think, no one already has doubts. It remains only to thrash the landed troops with aviation, while losing planes. That is, in terms of its infrastructure. And picking them up without a powerful landing operation will be extremely problematic. And the landing forces at the approach will be destroyed by the powerful Japanese fleet.
            There is another alternative. Do not bomb your Kuril Islands, but bomb directly Japan. First of all, with the help of long-range aviation, cruise missiles, without entering the air defense zone. Although, I think, some of the aircraft will still be lost - the Japs will withdraw their destroyers in the Sea of ​​Japan to stop such a threat.
            For such attacks, you don’t have to swing a nuclear club at all - just enough conventional missiles. Just remember how many nuclear power plants are in Japan and what is their percentage of the country's total electricity generation. Firstly, without the use of nuclear weapons, this will cause a nuclear apocalypse, and secondly, a complete collapse of the entire economy.
            Then, overwhelmed by hunger, cold and lack of security, the Japanese troops and all the added strength will flee the Kuril Islands without looking back. In the hope that there is still something edible left at home.
            1. tatarin1972
              tatarin1972 April 28 2020 05: 12 New
              +7
              There will not be enough landing forces and means. There will be enough landing ships at the Pacific Fleet for a battalion with reinforcements.
            2. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity April 28 2020 06: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: Gritsa
              Firstly, without the use of nuclear weapons, this will cause a nuclear apocalypse, and secondly, a complete collapse of the entire economy.
              Then, overwhelmed by hunger, cold and lack of security, the Japanese troops and all the added strength will flee the Kuril Islands without looking back. In the hope that there is still something edible left at home.

          2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich April 28 2020 04: 53 New
            +3
            After all, the personal money of the Russian leadership in Panama, the Bahamas and the Cayman Islands.

            Highley Likely, yeah. Or are you a personal accountant of the very leadership of Russia and you know everything for sure? In this case, my dear, you are an accomplice, and you will be attracted along with everyone when the moment of truth comes.
          3. your1970
            your1970 April 28 2020 08: 00 New
            -2
            Do tankers have their own air defense?
            Are they able to withstand the artillery fire of the ships of the Black Sea Fleet somewhere near the Arabian Peninsula?
            Can tankers withstand rocket attacks from the ground on approaches to Japan?
            Someone forbids us to shoot down Japanese planes in such a situation?
            Someone forbids us to sink Japanese ships in the Atlantic Ocean?

            To you, as I understand it, the main thing is to hysteria on the subject of the comprador government? No more?
            Assess the panic in the world - which will happen if Putin just announces the liquidation of the Declaration of Peace, isn’t it? Weak?
            We are legally still at war with them - there is no peace treaty ...
            Yes, exchanges around the world Yapov themselves trample without us, simply because everyone will begin to drop massively the shares of Japanese industry ...
            And you are the "airborne battalion ..." ....
            1. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 08: 07 New
              +1
              I don’t want to comment on such nonsense
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich April 28 2020 08: 35 New
                +1
                Or, most likely, you simply have nothing to answer.
              2. your1970
                your1970 April 28 2020 11: 36 New
                0
                That is, your assumption is that Japan is ready to start a war, and perhaps a nuclear war on its territory is not rubbish ???
                And what then stopped them 10 years ago? 20?
                What, then the Pacific Fleet was awesomely powerful - and blown away yesterday? He is at least 25 years old is not very powerful
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                2. Aleksandr1971
                  Aleksandr1971 5 May 2020 13: 39 New
                  0
                  You attributed to me the opinion that Japan is ready to start a war against Russia. It is very clever to ascribe to another person some not his thoughts or intentions, and then, on the basis of what is attributed, criticize this person. My opinion is completely different:

                  I already wrote here that actually the Kuril Islands of Japan are interesting, but not so much, since they have no real sense of Japan. Neither the economy of Japan, nor its people are ready to sacrifice blood or money for the sake of the Kuril Islands.

                  But the problem is that Japan is not independent. Japan is being harnessed and largely controlled by the United States. It is from them that the war of Russia (without allies) will occur on the one hand, and with the United States and its allies, including Japan, on the other hand.

                  In this sense, I will say without your opinion that Japan’s desire to start a war against Russia is nonsense. But the US desire to start a war against Russia is quite possible. But only the United States is preparing for this condition, when the balance of power will even more change in favor of the United States.

                  My assumption regarding the time of the future great war is as follows. A war will occur when the Russian economy cannot not only maintain the combat readiness of conventional armed forces, but also nuclear forces. Most likely in a few years this will happen.

                  At the same time, the United States and its allies are striving to create a situation in which Russia fails and has no time to deliver a retaliatory nuclear strike. This situation will be determined not only by quantitative, but also by decisive qualitative superiority over the Russian Armed Forces. This will be a surprise attack on our nuclear weapons and control centers. The remaining nuclear weapons that were not destroyed will be intercepted by US missile defense forces. In Russia, they are still quite capable of causing unacceptable damage to silo-based ICBMs and PGRK. But given the fact that modern Yarses are replacing the aging Poplars too slowly, and the Voivods have almost exhausted their resources, the Russian land-based ballistic missiles will no longer pose a threat of unacceptable damage to the United States within 15-20 years.

                  Japan, of course, did not want and does not want a nuclear war on its territory. But Japan, the United States is not going to ask permission. On the territory of Japan there are bases of strategic bombers of the USA, as well as missile defense forces. In a future war (but not now) against Russia, Japan will suffer little (or not at all) because Russia will not be able to inflict any kind of blow on Japan.

                  About the Pacific Fleet, your remark is meaningless because the Pacific Fleet (with the exception of the disappearing SSBNs in the Pacific Fleet) is not taken into account as a significant strategic value, if not 25 years ago, but for a long time.
          4. sniperino
            sniperino 4 May 2020 11: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            After all, the personal money of the Russian leadership in Panama, the Bahamas and the Caymans ... will sell the interests of Russia for the sake of their savings in Western banks
            When will you get the fuck out of it ... For this, no nuclear club is needed, just an ordinary bamboo stick is enough.
        2. Alexfly
          Alexfly April 29 2020 18: 21 New
          +2
          And Russia, as the successor of the USSR, is still at war with Japan, so the buildup of forces in the immediate vicinity of the borders is nothing more than preparation for an attack.
      2. kieferandreas
        kieferandreas April 28 2020 02: 00 New
        0
        I'm sorry, I'm not a pro, but the question is, maybe without a nuclear baton? and if in yars cram stuffing from the sun to the top of the head? if the japs ​​are lying around in the Kuril Islands and are appropriated, then they should be burnt there with such a thermal shock, as well as from where they got caught. Well that would be disgraceful. And I think it’s not necessary to keep a great power just to intimidate the Japs on the Kuril Islands, but I’m not a real warrior, I’m just interested. so that all of the above is just thoughts for maintaining peace on the whole planet, so that no one would rock the boat not only in the Kuril Islands but in general, let everyone sit at home, CORONAvirus all the same, and there’s nothing for the neighbors to bring such nasty things.
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 02: 59 New
          -3
          In Japan, American troops are the Treaty between Japan and the United States that the United States acts on the side of Japan in any conflict. It is clear that Russia and China are implied.

          You kieferandreas are talking nonsense about the sun. To strike at the Japanese, one must have the spirit to strike at the United States. In addition, both Japan and the United States in that region have local military superiority, which, if necessary, can be strengthened significantly more than Russia can carry out the strengthening due to its military, transport, technological and economic backwardness. The sun will be destroyed long before it can hit.

          The war for the Kuril Islands will be a war for the existence of Russia, Japan and the United States. This will not crash the sun, but a full exchange of nuclear strikes until the warheads are completely exhausted.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee April 28 2020 03: 57 New
            +5
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            The war for the Kuril Islands will be a war for the existence of Russia

            That's for sure !
          2. blackice
            blackice April 28 2020 05: 13 New
            +1
            Contradictions in one match
            In Japan, American troops are the Treaty between Japan and the United States that the United States acts on the side of Japan in any conflict.

            Here you kind of bring to the fact that Japan can afford blitz krieg
            The war for the Kuril Islands will be a war for the existence of Russia, Japan and the United States.

            And here already doubt such a conflict.
            So still, why keep the Japanese invading army? To show your muscles?
            And what will it give? About how to threaten a tank with a gun.
            Indeed, in any case, in the event of a conflict, this case will not be enough to fire with small arms.
          3. Kazimirsat
            Kazimirsat April 29 2020 04: 21 New
            +1
            Dear, and they themselves would like to get a nuclearbaton for Japan? The fact of alienation smoked will be a fact of the inability of the Russian Federation to protect the territories. The next in line is the alienation of Kaliningrad. How do you think the authorities will let the fact of the emotion of the territories go down on the brakes? Then this power itself will be demolished. So if the states fit in to protect Yapov, then they will fly. And they are unlikely to want to get Mosals for Yapov. And if they climb, then one status for Yapov will definitely be allocated to the rest of the states
          4. kieferandreas
            kieferandreas April 30 2020 17: 20 New
            -2
            you misunderstood my proposal, in place of a nuclear charge in the same Yars, a mace or an expander or a dagger, you can use the thermobaric charge AS in the sun, this is ras.

            If Japan goes to the capture of the Kuril Islands, then they will have good from the United States, these are two.

            and since both sides are not stupid and Putin warned about this, then in any conflict, small or large with Russia, the first country to receive atomic greetings from Russia will be the United States.
            Potam, as they notice a large increase in the contingent on the Russian borders in the vicinity of the Kuril Islands, then wait for the unkind.
            If they simply crush all Russian soldiers on the Kuril Islands with this contingent, then why keep the huge Russian contingent there?

            Russia has a long border that is not as long as that of my USSR Homeland (which, to the great regret of a huge number of people who have not even been to it, is no longer)

            Iaps climbed with the Americans, so they’re ready for war, they themselves asked for it.
            In this case, it is up to them to decide if, because of these Islands, it is worth risking by Japan and the United States itself and then by humanity as a whole.
      3. Fitter65
        Fitter65 April 28 2020 03: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Megatron
        And knowing our entire naval mess, while the Pacific Fleet is raking up, they will have time to gain a foothold there, further strengthening the fleet.

        And where does such knowledge about Pacific Fleet come from? If not a secret of course.
        1. Brylevsky
          Brylevsky April 28 2020 04: 07 New
          +5
          And where does such knowledge about Pacific Fleet come from? If not a secret of course.

          It's no secret, of course ... It's enough just to live in Vladivostok, "Texas", Sov. Harbor and Petropavlovsk - Kamchatsky, and have friends among contract soldiers. You can also have a direct relationship to the fleet and see everything with your own eyes.
          1. blackice
            blackice April 28 2020 05: 17 New
            +2
            So Yes.
            But there can no longer be a local conflict. Russia is not Syria or Libya. So I do not think that the size and presence of a large fleet will play a big role.
            The only thing that can play a role is the will of the Russian leadership.
          2. Grits
            Grits April 28 2020 08: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Brylevsky
            Still, you can have a direct relationship with the fleet and see everything with your own eyes.

            Rather, to see how it naturally declines. Think back to Texas in the late 80s. When on the roadstead in Strelka there were "Novorossiysk", "Frunze" and "Ural". Others were simply not noticed. And what now.
          3. Fitter65
            Fitter65 April 28 2020 08: 34 New
            -2
            Quote: Brylevsky
            have acquaintances among the contractors.

            Well, if the contractors are then of course, these are people with very strong knowledge about the state of affairs at KTOF and others.
            Quote: Brylevsky
            . It is enough just to live in Vladivostok, "Texas", Sov. Harbor and Petropavlovsk - Kamchatsky,

            And as I understand it, you live at the same time in all these places, so that after talking with contractors you can get a general picture of the state of affairs at KTOF. And you are not the case of the enemy spy? Travel to the places of basing of warships, make acquaintances with personnel who serve on different ships, collect information about the state of affairs in the places of basing the fleet, and about the state of affairs on individual ships and subunits of the fleet! .. You own quite important information, so to speak .. .
            1. curio
              curio April 29 2020 17: 37 New
              -1
              And in assessing the combat readiness of the Pacific Fleet it is not necessary to be a "shpien" it is enough to have eyes. from this list, you can completely delete Sovgavan and practically Texas (there, besides the registration of the 100th BDK brigade, there is nothing else except canned food, of course.
      4. saigon
        saigon April 28 2020 07: 11 New
        +4
        Landing 50 thousandths is certainly good, just wonderful, no one will touch the landing at the transition, and there will be no strikes on the supply ports? Landing on the islands is a war and the first reaction will be even before the orders of Moscow.
        Then Moscow will manifest itself for half an hour or an hour, but hostilities will be launched. And all of Japan is essentially an aircraft carrier group with a huge number of personnel, with a population concentrated in cities.
      5. Kolin
        Kolin April 28 2020 15: 22 New
        +2
        Let's just 50 million, nothing is trifling.
        By the way, Hokkaido is completely shot by the Iskanders, and YES may well be shot back by several hundred cr. in one salvo.
    2. Sniper Amateur
      Sniper Amateur April 28 2020 02: 50 New
      -2
      We need to know how many and what "toys" they have

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
      - and further on the links. smile
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 April 27 2020 20: 59 New
    +4
    Serious games started ... although in fact, these are games with fire!
    1. cniza
      cniza April 27 2020 21: 22 New
      +6
      And when was it easy for us with Japan? They are very restless ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 27 2020 21: 52 New
        +1
        Restless, purposeful and persistent in achieving their goals!
        Dubin will always have to be ready! It is desirable, as convincing as possible, right in sight!
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 03: 00 New
          +6
          And at the same time, comprador elements should be removed from the country's leadership. Otherwise, a nuclear club will be useless.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 28 2020 08: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            And at the same time, comprador elements should be removed from the country's leadership

            This is obvious, BUT, they will protect their loved ones until .... they will protect and drag everything in a row, in their bins.
        2. Grits
          Grits April 28 2020 08: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Restless, purposeful and persistent in achieving their goals

          In addition, we lost one war to them with a bang. And the Japanese invader trampled the land of our Far East during the civil unrest. So, this enemy is very insidious
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 28 2020 08: 58 New
            +2
            It was a matter ... this is to the question of how the fate of the country depends on the mother of the upper, governing! A ram, headed ... anything, it's still a herd.
        3. Normal ok
          Normal ok April 28 2020 11: 55 New
          0
          The fact of the matter is that there are no "clubs" in the Far East.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 28 2020 12: 35 New
            0
            Cudgel, it’s a bargain ... if efforts, skills, apply.
  3. cniza
    cniza April 27 2020 21: 00 New
    +7
    Japan’s declared desire to conclude a peace treaty with Russia correlates very poorly with the ongoing campaign in the Japanese media that it is time for the country to regain control of the "northern occupied territories,"


    We understand that they will never calm down so easily and God forbid we give a slack ...
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana April 27 2020 21: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      We understand that they will never calm down so easily.

      Moreover, for this the US of the Japanese Nazis in Japan’s power only strokes their heads and only serves them up against Russia!
      1. cniza
        cniza April 27 2020 21: 24 New
        +3
        There it is elevated to the rank of state program, maybe ordinary people would have settled down already, so politicians are constantly practicing on this ...
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana April 27 2020 21: 30 New
          -3
          Quote: cniza
          There it is elevated to the rank of state program, maybe ordinary people would have settled down already, so politicians are constantly practicing on this ...

          And among ordinary people, the government’s anti-Russian Japanese propaganda has already been completely brainwashed.
          Ask on the street of Japanese cities from ordinary people, which country dropped nuclear bombs on Japanese cities? And they will answer in large numbers that the USSR / Russia, and not the USA, did it.
          1. iouris
            iouris April 27 2020 22: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            among ordinary people, the government’s anti-Russian Japanese propaganda has already been completely brainwashed.

            The correct version: "... the brains of the common people have already been completely brainwashed by government propaganda." The government is working hard to keep the brains out.
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          2. Free wind
            Free wind April 27 2020 23: 04 New
            10
            NO!!!! Yapis know very well who dropped the bombs, where, who where and how much. Stop repeating what you don’t know. But, many Yapis consider many lands to be theirs. The Yapis remember that they possessed vast territories, it was just their grandfathers who told them, this is not a state program. And they know very well who and when they drove them out of there with a filthy broom. From the USSR they received snotly nobly.
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          4. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 03: 06 New
            +1
            I doubt something in your words, Tatyana. The Japanese are a more literate and informed people than we are. Can you indicate the source of information?
          5. your1970
            your1970 April 29 2020 22: 03 New
            0
            Quote: Tatiana
            Quote: cniza
            There it is elevated to the rank of state program, maybe ordinary people would have settled down already, so politicians are constantly practicing on this ...

            And among ordinary people, the government’s anti-Russian Japanese propaganda has already been completely brainwashed.
            Ask on the street of Japanese cities from ordinary people, which country dropped nuclear bombs on Japanese cities? And they will answer in large numbers that the USSR / Russia, and not the USA, did it.
            -then ask - "if the USSR did it - are you ready for the fact that Russia can STILL once to strike such a blow? "
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... April 27 2020 23: 37 New
        -1
        I hope that sooner or later it will turn out to the states sideways, as last time.
  4. knn54
    knn54 April 27 2020 21: 09 New
    +1
    External debt of Japan 13,5 trillion. bucks. Or 295% (!!!) of GDP. Almost like the USA. A country without resources lives on credit.
    Itself will not survive. LIFE vassal.
    And this is dangerous. There is practically nothing for the samurai to lose.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 27 2020 21: 34 New
      +3
      Yes, many countries with debt and without resources feel good. Especially when such a scientific and technological potential.
    2. your1970
      your1970 April 28 2020 01: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      And this is dangerous. There is practically nothing for the samurai to lose.

      And will they bring a lot of islands to them? Not in 10-20 years? Problems - yes, immediately a lot, but the delights for changing the amount of external debt- 0 (zero)
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky April 28 2020 04: 28 New
        +5
        And will the islands bring much to them?

        There are rich fisheries and convenient bays for the base of fish factories. Even before the Great October Socialist Revolution, the Japanese were actively engaged in industrial fishing for valuable species of fish, in particular, delicious red sea bass, and, most importantly, crab ... The USSR used Japanese experience and fish processing plants produced their products throughout almost the entire period of their existence of our State ... A lot - not a lot, but fish, cephalopods and crabs are a valuable protein resource, moreover, not very cheap ... For 8 years I worked side by side with the Japanese. As employees, they earned my respect, and as people. Let's just say: I've never seen the best performers in my life, although I had to work with people of different nations for a long time. Knowing the Japanese, I can say that they will make "candy" from those islands. But you can't give them those islands under any circumstances ... For all the advantages of the Japanese, they are typical Asians. Asia respects strength. To yield means to show weakness ... if you show weakness, you will lose respect in their eyes ... This is a cruel truth, but this is a harsh truth of life. You can try to somehow share the islands, to the delight of us and them, but how to do this, I don't know ...
    3. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 03: 07 New
      0
      You're not right. This is an internal duty to its citizens and legal entities.
  5. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 27 2020 21: 11 New
    +2
    For the state to be strong and develop, it must have a national idea that unites the people ... In Japan, this is the idea of ​​returning the "northern territories" ... and they will never give up on it ... Russia needs to keep an eye out ...
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 03: 23 New
      +1
      The national idea is an empty idol, a totem, a game of shamanic tambourine. During the Second World War, the national idea was - to save and save the country. But now come up with any national idea - and it will turn out to be a fake that no one will believe in.
      For Japan, the Kuril Islands is also a shamanic tambourine of Japanese politicians. Ordinary Japanese this is no more interesting than the Russians to erect a cross on Hagia Sophia in Constantinople.
  6. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 27 2020 21: 17 New
    -1
    There are also inveterate "friends" Koreans, Chinese and others nearby. There is even a special term for civilians and fishermen abducted from the islands ...
  7. Rostislav
    Rostislav April 27 2020 21: 37 New
    +2
    Fearing a confrontation with Russia, China and the DPRK, Japan still agrees with the US military presence.

    You might think penguins asked them
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... April 27 2020 23: 43 New
      0
      The occupation is not completed. Such is free will.
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 27 2020 22: 50 New
    +2
    It may turn out that these self-defense forces will have nowhere to return. And our combat swimmers will have to erect a flag over some Tokyo "Reichstag".
  9. Nehist
    Nehist April 27 2020 23: 13 New
    -1
    N-yes .... The passage was especially surprised (therefore, our country, especially against the backdrop of Japanese military activity in the region, is forced to hold considerable forces in the Kuril Islands that are able to cool down excessive fervor with its presence.) 18 pulad does not shine with special alertness and is extended on all islands. 68 AK, newly created in 2014, currently has fewer forces than 2010 when it was disbanded (thanks to Serdyukov). You can generally forget about the CTOF ... So if the Japanese don’t swing their vigorous loaf, they can take the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin without any problems
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 03: 26 New
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      You, Nehist, are absolutely right. Although, judging by the comments, most readers think that our Armed Forces in the Far East can frighten the Japanese.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist April 28 2020 03: 47 New
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        It’s just that for the last three years I just served in 68 AKs in 33 MSD and how we were disbanded very well, and I live here directly. Some of my comrades still serve, and the young people who have left and stayed to serve, so we know what is going on there, as they say first hand.
  10. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft April 27 2020 23: 22 New
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    For Japan, the question of the islands is of fundamental importance, claims to them remain, which Tokyo does not hide.

    What can I say:
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 03: 31 New
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      Lara Croft, personally, I think that the Kuriles are interesting to the Japanese, but not really.

      In fact, the puppeteer, the United States, pedals the question of the Kuril Islands. It is the United States that forces Japanese politicians to demand from Russia the Kuril Islands. Moreover, in this matter, the Japanese do not really resist the Americans.

      Accordingly, until relations between Russia and the United States improve (and they will never improve), the Japanese will demand the Kuril Islands from us and will strengthen their "self-defense forces" against us.

      And we will never give the Kuril Islands to them, even if it will be only a couple of southern islets.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft April 28 2020 11: 47 New
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        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        Lara Croft, personally, I think that the Kuriles are interesting to the Japanese, but not really.

        You have offended the Japanese with your thoughts, for the "Northern Territories Day" has not disappeared anywhere from the Japanese calendar ....
        In fact, the puppeteer, the United States, pedals the question of the Kuril Islands. It is the United States that forces Japanese politicians to demand from Russia the Kuril Islands. Moreover, in this matter, the Japanese do not really resist the Americans.

        Japanese voters would not understand any government of their country if it were otherwise ...
        Accordingly, until relations between Russia and the United States improve (and they will never improve), the Japanese will demand the Kuril Islands from us and will strengthen their "self-defense forces" against us.

        Not at all. In the 90s under Kozyrev and B.N. We had relations with the United States, as between a master and an apprentice, but the Japanese even then demanded the islands back and it was then that the Russian Federation was close to giving some of them ....
        When transferring the islands of Japan, part of the forces of the most powerful Japanese Northern Army (Hokkaido Island) will be transferred to the islands, but the U.S. WB ordered the way there .... as the Japanese themselves admit ....
        And we will never give the Kuril Islands to them, even if it will be only a couple of southern islets.

        Because the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will cease to be only Russian, but will become international ....

        By the way, I found a good article about the Kuril Islands ....
        The question of Soviet sovereignty over the Kuril Islands was never considered together with the question of the return of Sakhalin, the CER, Port Arthur, etc. The fact is that Japan took possession of the Kuril Islands at one time as a result of not peace, but peaceful concessions established by agreements with Russia in 1855 and 1875 Therefore, the promise of the transfer of the USSR to the Kuril Islands was recorded only in February 1945 in the final document of the Crimean Conference of the Big Three.
        Obviously, for the United States and Great Britain to agree to grant the USSR the right to the Kuril Islands, Stalin had to make concessions in other matters. In particular, he removed claims on Hokkaido (although in August 1945 he again tried to return to this issue) and on the occupation of all of Korea (the latter was divided between the USSR and the USA). In addition, the USSR, in violation of the neutrality treaty with Japan, agreed to broader military cooperation with the United States in the Far East even before it entered the war with Japan. In particular, since December 1943, the USSR began to supply the United States with its secret intelligence information on Japan.

        Source: Why did the United States promise the USSR the Kuril Islands
        © Russian Seven russian7.ru

        https://russian7.ru/post/zachem-ssha-poobeshhali-sssr-kurilskie-o/
  11. Puler
    Puler April 28 2020 00: 32 New
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    Quote: Megatron
    Let's recognize the obvious fact:

    obviously! with direct aggression, as well as with the threat of annexation of the territory of Russia ... The government should use the entire arsenal of available .....
  12. Evgeny Rubtsov_2
    Evgeny Rubtsov_2 April 28 2020 00: 34 New
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    Off topic, but still.
    Why in St. Petersburg did pensioners receive 50% of their pension in the month of April?
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 28 2020 00: 53 New
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      for what month?
  13. Sniper Amateur
    Sniper Amateur April 28 2020 02: 54 New
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    Why are "claims" quoted? They are quite real. And they are quite justified. According to the Kurils, each of the disputing parties is "in its own right." Lawyers call this "collision". So the strongest will win.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 03: 32 New
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      Now the force (in any sense, except nuclear force) is not on our side. There is a risk of using this force against us.
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 April 28 2020 03: 59 New
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        As the saying goes: "if you want peace, prepare for war."
        What gives the Japanese possession of the four islands of the southern Kuril ridge?
        First, access to the interior of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk with the right to extract aquatic biological resources: pollock, cod, flounder, crab and salmon.
        Currently, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk has the status of the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation.
        Secondly, organize the extraction of minerals, up to hydrocarbons.
        In the third stage, get military-strategic benefits, i.e. control of sea routes to the north of the Pacific basin, monitoring of the entire part of the Russian Far East.
        In addition, for Russia in the event of a confrontation with Japan, there will be a problem of maritime communication not only with the South Kuril Islands, but also with the Northeast region (Kamchatka, Magadan, Kuril Islands).
        The strait of Laperouse in terms of navigation in the winter is freezing, navigation passes along the northern coast of about. Hokkaido
        The Sungar Strait has international status and allows naval vessels of the coastal states with Japan to pass through. It is the fastest for access to the Pacific Ocean.
        However, it is also controlled by Japan.
        In terms of the debate on the historical affiliation of the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin to the Japanese, in my opinion, the Japanese have no more rights to these territories than Russia.
        1. Sniper Amateur
          Sniper Amateur April 28 2020 06: 31 New
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          Currently, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk has the status of the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation.

          No. More precisely - not all of its water area. With all the ensuing consequences in terms of washed marine bioresources and shipping rights.
          In terms of the debate on the historical affiliation of the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin to the Japanese, in my opinion, the Japanese have no more rights to these territories than Russia.

          Given the fact that Russia really advanced to the shores of the Pacific Ocean only in the middle. XIX century., And from the coast of Hokkaido - the ridge of Habomai, Shikotan and Kunashir - visible in any weather bearable even with the naked eye - this is a somewhat amusing statement. smile
          1. Lynx2000
            Lynx2000 April 28 2020 12: 02 New
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            Quote: Sniper Amateur
            Currently, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk has the status of the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation.

            No. More precisely - not all of its water area. With all the ensuing consequences in terms of washed marine bioresources and shipping rights.
            In terms of the debate on the historical affiliation of the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin to the Japanese, in my opinion, the Japanese have no more rights to these territories than Russia.

            Given the fact that Russia really advanced to the shores of the Pacific Ocean only in the middle. XIX century., And from the coast of Hokkaido - the ridge of Habomai, Shikotan and Kunashir - visible in any weather bearable even with the naked eye - this is a somewhat amusing statement. smile

            The site already had an article on the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. https://topwar.ru/36206-mezhdunarodnoe-priznanie-za-rossiey-ohotskogo-morya-radovatsya-ili-iskat-podvodnye-kamni.html
            https://topwar.ru/36206-mezhdunarodnoe-priznanie-za-rossiey-ohotskogo-morya-radovatsya-ili-iskat-podvodnye-kamni.html
            The fishing subzones of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk are on the Internet. The fishery is divided into coastal up to 12 miles from the coast and industrial 200 miles from the coast in the zone of economic interests of the Russian Federation.
            The rules and volumes, fishing facilities in the economy of interest zone are regulated by the international convention and intergovernmental agreements; at present, the number of fishing quotas in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is determined by the Russian Federation.
            I want to note that at present it turns out to more or less control the fishery and stop poaching. The noughties were worse. At this time, the service was able to see the results of the crab fishing, calling drift nets in front of the Kuril Straits by the Japanese salmon. You really think that the Japanese will be careful about these resources.
            I know the fishing companies in the region.
            I cited the Sungarian and the Laperouse Strait as a problem of military logistics.
            Regarding visibility from the Hokkaido Kuril Islands. I remember at VO discussed the topic of development of the Japanese about. Hokkaido
            1. Sniper Amateur
              Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 10: 14 New
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              The site already had an article on the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. https://topwar.ru/36206-mezhdunarodnoe-priznanie-za-rossiey-ohotskogo-morya-radovatsya-ili-iskat-podvodnye-kamni.html
              https://topwar.ru/36206-mezhdunarodnoe-priznanie-za-rossiey-ohotskogo-morya-radovatsya-ili-iskat-podvodnye-kamni.html
              The fishing subzones of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk are on the Internet. The fishery is divided into coastal up to 12 miles from the coast and industrial 200 miles from the coast in the zone of economic interests of the Russian Federation.
              The rules and volumes, fishing facilities in the economy of interest zone are regulated by the international convention and intergovernmental agreements; at present, the number of fishing quotas in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is determined by the Russian Federation.

              Will this somehow cancel the fact that a significant part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is international waters (although located in the SEZ and on the continental shelf of the Russian Federation)? Or cancels the fact that the author of this publication does not understand request differences between the inland sea and territorial waters?
              Regarding visibility from the Hokkaido Kuril Islands. I remember at VO discussed the topic of development of the Japanese about. Hokkaido

              This topic could be discussed here - I will not argue. But the fact is that the power of the Japanese Empire spread to the southern shores of the Kunashir Strait by the beginning of the last quarter of the XNUMXth century.
              1. Lynx2000
                Lynx2000 4 May 2020 01: 41 New
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                As such, there is no definition of "inland sea" in international maritime law, however, the coastal state determines its territorial sea based on the external boundaries of the economic zone.
                Before the definition of the UN convention in 2014 determining the belonging of the Russian Federation to the shelf in the central part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, there is a so-called. "triangle of international waters".
                Why did all this write earlier ...
                To the fact that the Japanese are not so careful about nature, with an uncontrolled catch, they will clean the sea.
                At the present time, the Russian Federation determines the fishing procedure, quantity and timing in the waters, economic zones and this "triangle".

                Was Japan an Empire in the 18th Century? In my opinion, expansion into the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin began in the 19th century.
                Not a small Japanese diaspora lived in Primorye. Primorye also give?
                In Kamchatka, from the end of the 19th century, the Japanese had concessions for fishing from Ust-Kamchatsk in the east to the village. Ozernowski in the south-west of Kamchatka.
                1. Sniper Amateur
                  Sniper Amateur 4 May 2020 04: 11 New
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                  Not really. The “inland sea” is the water area within the baseline. "Territorial sea" - a certain zone (3 miles, 12 miles, some countries have announced and more) outside it. And their legal regime is still different. For example, on the "inner sea" - not the "right of innocent passage" in force in the "territorial sea" applies.
                  the Japanese are not so careful about nature, with uncontrolled fishing, they will clean the sea.

                  And I do not argue with that.
                  At the present time, the Russian Federation determines the fishing procedure, quantity and timing in the waters, economic zones and this "triangle".

                  And I don’t argue with that either. smile But the right of the Russian Federation to regulate foreign fishing activities in that part of the SEZ that already covers international waters - not absolute.
                  Was Japan an Empire in the 18th Century? In my opinion, expansion into the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin began in the 19th century.

                  From 660 BC Another thing is that most of the time until the Meiji Revolution - the Japanese Empire was purely nominal.
                  Kunashir was taken under full direct Japanese control in 1789.
                  Not a small Japanese diaspora lived in Primorye. Primorye also give?
                  In Kamchatka, from the end of the 19th century, the Japanese had concessions for fishing from Ust-Kamchatsk in the east to the village. Ozernowski in the south-west of Kamchatka.

                  You either simply did not understand me, or you do not want to understand me. smile Я not I say that Japan has more rights to the "northern territories" than you do. I say that Japan has also have something to show in support of their claims. And this is "what" not "sucked from the finger" from the point of view of the right. Those. - each of the parties is "in its own right" and these rights are in conflict ("collision"). And since neither side is ready either to give up its rights, or to make a compromise that suits the other side, then - "May the Strongest win!"
                  1. Lynx2000
                    Lynx2000 4 May 2020 07: 24 New
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                    Quote: Sniper Amateur

                    From 660 BC Another thing is that most of the time until the Meiji Revolution - the Japanese Empire was purely nominal.
                    Kunashir was taken under full direct Japanese control in 1789.

                    You either simply did not understand me, or you don’t want to understand. I say that Japan has more rights to the "northern territories" than you do. I say that Japan also has something to present in support of its claims. And this "what" is not "sucked from the finger" from the point of view of law. Those. - each of the parties is "in its own right" and these rights are in conflict ("collision"). And since neither side is ready either to give up its rights, or to agree to a compromise that suits the other side, then - "May the Strongest win!"

                    From the point of view of historical justice, it will be correct to transfer the Kuril ridge to the Ainu, and, oh. Hokkaido Regarding historical rights, many historical studies of Soviet (Russian) and Japanese historians have been conducted on this subject. In the 18th century the shogun kind of forbade the Japanese to leave Japan. And about. Hokkaido was mastered by the Japanese only in its southern part.

                    I see no reason to consider this "territorial dispute" as an international legal conflict, tk. international institutions (UN, International Maritime Register, etc.), as well as foreign states recognize the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation over the islands as a subject of international law.

                    Even the Gallic leader Brenn proved to the founders of the law that the conditions are dictated by the winners (Vae victis). ;-)
                    1. Sniper Amateur
                      Sniper Amateur 6 May 2020 22: 45 New
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                      From the point of view of historical justice, it will be correct to transfer the Kuril ridge to the Ainu, and, oh. Hokkaido

                      For this, it is true that Ainu must be available. laughing
                      In the 18th century the shogun kind of forbade the Japanese to leave Japan. And about. Hokkaido was mastered by the Japanese only in its southern part.

                      Ainu living on the islands of Kunashir and Iturup since 1731 began to pay tribute to the principality of Matsumae. In 1754, the merchant Hidey Kubei established the first Japanese trading post in the extreme south of Kunashir. In the same year, the daimyo of the Principality of Matsumae sent officials to Kunashir to exercise administrative control and supervision of trade and fisheries. In 1769, the Cossack centurion Ivan Cherny reported from the words of local Ainu that there is a Japanese fortress in Kunashir. In 1789 - Kunashir was finally conquered by the Japanese.

                      I see no reason to consider this "territorial dispute" as an international legal conflict, tk. international institutions (UN, International Maritime Register, etc.), as well as foreign states recognize the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation over the islands as a subject of international law.

                      Not all. And I not only mean Japan here.
                      Even the Gallic leader Brenn proved to the founders of the law that the conditions are dictated by the winners (Vae victis). ;-)

                      IF victory is final - yes. smile If, If ...
                      1. Lynx2000
                        Lynx2000 7 May 2020 02: 36 New
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                        Quote: Sniper Amateur

                        For this, it is true that Ainu must be available.


                        In the Kamchatka Territory, at least 5 Ainu are registered, only according to information on the registration of the clan community.

                        Quote: Sniper Amateur

                        Ainu living on the islands of Kunashir and Iturup since 1731 began to pay tribute to the principality of Matsumae. In 1754, the merchant Hidey Kubei established the first Japanese trading post in the extreme south of Kunashir. In the same year, the daimyo of the Principality of Matsumae sent officials to Kunashir to exercise administrative control and supervision of trade and fisheries. In 1769, the Cossack centurion Ivan Cherny reported from the words of local Ainu that there is a Japanese fortress in Kunashir. In 1789 ...


                        In 1845 (I could be wrong), under a treaty, RI transferred Japan the islands of the southern Kuril ridge, in 1885 RI transferred Japan a group of islands of the northern Kuril ridge to about. Paramushir. The grounds of the agreement, peaceful neighborhood and, most importantly, mutual trade.
                        So Japan recognized Russia's right to the islands?
                        What about the fact that fish factories were built? The Russians came, put up a cross, took yasak, and left. The Japanese came, cut the cross, put the fishing camp.
                        The Russians came again, drove out the Japanese, burned their fishing village ...

                        Quote: Sniper Amateur

                        Not all. And I not only mean Japan here.


                        Who else?! USA?

                        Quote: Sniper Amateur

                        If the victory is final, then yes.


                        What document confirms the final victory of the Winner?
                        By accepting surrender, an act of the Victor and the Vanquished is drawn up and signed.
                        It was?
                        The seizure of the territory of the vanquished (occupation).
                        It was? Allies in Yalta agreed with the conditions of the USSR to participate in the war with Japan?
                        USSR participated? Territory conditions received?
                        Another condition for victory is reparation. The USSR did not claim, received territory.
                      2. Sniper Amateur
                        Sniper Amateur 7 May 2020 03: 31 New
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                        In the Kamchatka Territory, at least 5 Ainu are registered, only according to information on the registration of the clan community.

                        URA! Each Ainu has two islands of the Kuril ridge! good laughing drinks
                        In 1845 (I could be wrong), under a treaty, RI transferred Japan the islands of the southern Kuril ridge, in 1885 RI transferred Japan a group of islands of the northern Kuril ridge to about. Paramushir. The grounds of the agreement, peaceful neighborhood and, most importantly, mutual trade.
                        So Japan recognized Russia's right to the islands?
                        What about the fact that fish factories were built? The Russians came, put up a cross, took yasak, and left. The Japanese came, cut the cross, put the fishing camp.
                        The Russians came again, drove out the Japanese, burned their fishing village ...

                        Those come back to where I started - each side of the dispute - may present over to a fig of historical and historical-legal arguments. Classical - directly from the textbook - a conflict.
                        Who else?! USA?

                        Honestly, I was not interested in the list. But the US is for sure.
                        What document confirms the final victory of the Winner?
                        By accepting surrender, an act of the Victor and the Vanquished is drawn up and signed.
                        It was?
                        The seizure of the territory of the vanquished (occupation).
                        It was? Allies in Yalta agreed with the conditions of the USSR to participate in the war with Japan?
                        USSR participated? Territory conditions received?
                        Another condition for victory is reparation. The USSR did not claim, received territory.

                        How can I tell you ... How many times have France and Germany abandoned Alsace-Lorraine in favor of each other? And each time - "for eternal times." With ratification, all deeds. And after a while - it was replayed to the exact opposite.
                      3. Lynx2000
                        Lynx2000 7 May 2020 04: 38 New
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                        Quote: Sniper Amateur
                        In the Kamchatka Territory, at least 5 Ainu are registered, only according to information on the registration of the clan community.

                        URA! Each Ainu has two islands of the Kuril ridge! good laughing drinks
                        In 1845 (I could be wrong), under a treaty, RI transferred Japan the islands of the southern Kuril ridge, in 1885 RI transferred Japan a group of islands of the northern Kuril ridge to about. Paramushir. The grounds of the agreement, peaceful neighborhood and, most importantly, mutual trade.
                        So Japan recognized Russia's right to the islands?
                        What about the fact that fish factories were built? The Russians came, put up a cross, took yasak, and left. The Japanese came, cut the cross, put the fishing camp.
                        The Russians came again, drove out the Japanese, burned their fishing village ...

                        Those come back to where I started - each side of the dispute - may present over to a fig of historical and historical-legal arguments. Classical - directly from the textbook - a conflict.
                        Who else?! USA?

                        Honestly, I was not interested in the list. But the US is for sure.
                        What document confirms the final victory of the Winner?
                        By accepting surrender, an act of the Victor and the Vanquished is drawn up and signed.
                        It was?
                        The seizure of the territory of the vanquished (occupation).
                        It was? Allies in Yalta agreed with the conditions of the USSR to participate in the war with Japan?
                        USSR participated? Territory conditions received?
                        Another condition for victory is reparation. The USSR did not claim, received territory.

                        How can I tell you ... How many times have France and Germany abandoned Alsace-Lorraine in favor of each other? And each time - "for eternal times." With ratification, all deeds. And after a while - it was replayed to the exact opposite.

                        Almost 90% of the borders of states were determined by the results of armed conflicts. What is war? War is a continuation of politics.
                        The norms of international law and states have developed on the basis of traditions, moral standards of behavior and customs.
                        An international conflict of law arises in the event of a contradiction (conflict of interest) between national and international law. In international law, as I understand it, only the United States declares the presumption of national (federal) legislation over international. Japan recognizes the priority of international law.
                        As a result, according to the results of the Second World War, on the basis of agreements with allied states, the USSR as a winner, and, as a successor, the Russian Federation possess these territories.

                        Peh. Se I see no reason to discuss further ...
                      4. Sniper Amateur
                        Sniper Amateur 7 May 2020 04: 43 New
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                        In international law, as I understand it, only the United States declares the presumption of national (federal) legislation over international.

                        Russia has now partly also followed this path. There was a decision of your “constitutional” court. ”Well, OK, let's not go further, we will not. smile
  • stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO April 28 2020 03: 50 New
    +1
    Hi hi
    Japan will attack then when Russia breaks out in turmoil.
    Always it was.
    So, the prevention of the "brought spring" and the prevention of the "internal spring" is the best guarantee against attack.
    1. Brylevsky
      Brylevsky April 28 2020 04: 49 New
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      So, the prevention of the "brought spring" and the prevention of the "internal spring" is the best guarantee against attack.

      Even if you personally are quite happy with your present life, there is a fairly large number of people in Russia who, to put it mildly, are not happy with it. How do you explain that "revolution is bad"? They, at best, simply won't understand you ...
    2. Sniper Amateur
      Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 09: 55 New
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      Japan will attack then when Russia breaks out in turmoil.
      Always it was.

      In January 1904 and during the "Khasan events" - was there "turmoil" in Russia? Wow! laughing
  • sen
    sen April 28 2020 03: 56 New
    +1
    But Russia is not going to sacrifice its territorial integrity. This clause is prescribed in the Constitution quite clearly.

    Unfortunately, not really. "In this regard, the possibility remains that the issue of the transfer of the northern territories can be flexibly considered within the framework of the issue of demarcation of the Japanese-Russian border in the general context of negotiations on a peace treaty between Japan and Russia."
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2870522.html
  • KCA
    KCA April 28 2020 05: 31 New
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    What are the claims? There are sane people in Japan, they should understand that "Poseidon" is not a cartoon, that 57 megatons is not the limit, although 57 megatons will wash off all of Japan to fugu fish, and dolphins, who are most likely very fond of them, the only country that has them kills to eat in glamorous restaurants
  • K-50
    K-50 April 28 2020 08: 51 New
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    Japan’s land self-defense forces number 150. Moreover, 50 thousand of them are deployed on the northern island of Hokkaido, which is considered as the main springboard in the event of a confrontation with Russia.

    And he will not drown? Together with Hokkaido? in case of confrontation with Russia. lol
    For Japan, the issue of islands is of fundamental importance

    First, try to return YOUR lands to which military bases and airdromes have been built. You can not?
    And nefig on a strange loaf to open his mouth !!! am angry
  • Arxangel nemcov
    Arxangel nemcov April 28 2020 15: 26 New
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    "stationed on the northern island of Hokkaido" - it is convenient to liquidate in one sitting.
  • Phoenix040
    Phoenix040 April 28 2020 20: 27 New
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    If Japan attacks the Russian Federation or China, it will receive a few Hiroshima and the US presence will not save it, because China of Japan will not let such impudence down, and if the Kremlin inhabitant lets it down, it will lose its place in it, and Russia will take revenge under the new ruler, as already before !!! Japan would have been sitting quietly, otherwise there would be nowhere for the Japanese marines to return, Japan would sink to the bottom !!!
  • serg v zapase
    serg v zapase April 30 2020 00: 11 New
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    If they aimed their marine corps on the famous islands, then they just have nothing to do there, because of 3 pieces of land they will not start a war. If the plans include grabbing a Sakhalin, this army will come in handy. On the other hand, the Japanese are shaking even about the single launches of Korean missiles. Another observation is that even Fukushima has greatly crippled the Japanese, it’s scary to think what will happen if there is a little more damage.
  • Wolnik
    Wolnik 4 May 2020 14: 04 New
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    Will have to confront in these conditions soldier