In China: Pakistan buys Chinese VT-4 tanks with better performance than India's T-90


Chinese media report shipments tanks VT-4 (aka MBT-3000) in April to two foreign countries. The material says that exports were made to Nigeria and Pakistan. There is no exact data on the number of Chinese combat vehicles delivered to an African country, but information about VT-4 shipments to Islamabad appeared in open sources.


If you believe the publications, then Pakistan will acquire from Beijing 100 of these tanks from the manufacturer Norinco. And the first tanks have already been sent to this country.

VT-4 tanks have a 125 mm caliber gun with ammunition for up to 38 shells for various purposes. The combat weight of this MBT is 51 tons. The tank has the ability to overcome ford up to 140 cm deep. Engine power - 1,3 thousand hp.

Earlier, the Thai army became the customer of VT-4.

In China: Pakistan buys Chinese VT-4 tanks with better performance than India's T-90



Inside the VT-4 tank


In the Chinese and Pakistani media, covering the events with the VT-4 MBT contract, they write the following:

Pakistan buys 100 Chinese VT-4 tanks with much better performance than the Indian T-90.

What characteristics of the Chinese tank are "much better" than the T-90 are not reported. But it was noted that this is an important deal for Chinese industry, as it will help strengthen cooperation with Pakistani partners, and establish ammunition supplies, according to which an additional agreement will be concluded. We are also talking about the maintenance of VT-4 and the training of the Pakistani military by Chinese specialists.

Chinese resource Sina:

If Pakistan wants to create a fully modern tank corps at a reasonable price, it can only resort to the help of China. Therefore, the Pakistani side expressed its clear willingness to cooperate with China in the development and acquisition of a truly reliable tank.

Further, the author of the article on the same resource writes that a hundred VT-4 tanks "will create parity on the border with India and allow farmers on both sides of the border to work quietly on farmland."
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  1. svp67 April 27 2020 15: 19 New
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    The combat weight of this MBT is 51 tons. The tank has the ability to overcome ford up to 140 cm deep. Engine power - 1,3 thousand hp.
    The mass is more, the ford to be overcome is less, here the engine power is higher ... so that what is especially this tank better than T-90 is unclear
    1. Tusv April 27 2020 15: 44 New
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      At the last biathlon they did not even break. There are three T-Be-70s at a bend around them at a speed of under 80 km per hour. Not well, to the eyeballs of ammunition can be. So they screwed up with Bius. Although how. Hindus on t-90 is anti-advertising
      1. Mitroha April 27 2020 16: 00 New
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        Press in China: "Chinese tanks are better. By what characteristics, it doesn't matter." Where is the news here?
        I think I'm dancing pretty well. Getting to the discussion?
        1. Tusv April 27 2020 16: 07 New
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          Quote: Mitroha
          I think I'm dancing pretty well. Getting to the discussion?

          Not. I only dream of enrolling in a dance studio. What is in the way? Show?
          But the fact remains. The Hindus on the T-90 dishonored the tank, And the Chinese won. Like be. He abrased at a later stage, but lay down under the antediluvian T-72 B3. Want to continue the discussion?
          1. Mitroha April 27 2020 16: 14 New
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            Therefore, it is necessary to evaluate the technique separately according to its characteristics. Or equipment under the control of professionals, such as testers, preferably from the manufacturer. And so it’s nothing .. The human factor is too strong.
            1. Lopatov April 27 2020 17: 38 New
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              Quote: Mitroha
              Therefore, it is necessary to evaluate the technique separately according to its characteristics. Or equipment under the control of professionals, such as testers, preferably from the manufacturer. And so it’s nothing .. The human factor is too strong.

              We must evaluate the tank as it will be on the battlefield.
              1. Mitroha April 27 2020 18: 03 New
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                Without the normal, trained crews of professionals, he will remain a pile of metal. And given the complexity of the technology a bunch of VERY expensive metal
                1. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 13: 09 New
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                  Quote: Mitroha
                  Without the normal, trained crews of professionals, he will remain a pile of metal.

                  This is true, which clearly shows an example of the use of Abrams by Americans and Arabs. Despite the more difficult combat situation, they were not so stupidly substituted as the Arabs against the Hussites.
          2. orionvitt April 27 2020 22: 29 New
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            Quote: Tusv
            But the fact remains. Hindus on the T-90 dishonored the tank, And the Chinese won

            The fact remains only that the purchase and sale of weapons is a political factor and does not always depend on what is “better” and “what is worse”. So the purchase by Pakistan of Chinese tanks indicates exclusively the characteristics of Indo-Pakistan-Chinese relations. And the Chinese have already hastened this fact, attributed to the "perfection" of their tanks. The arms trade, one end, always comes down to big politics.
            1. Tusv April 27 2020 23: 34 New
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              Quote: orionvitt
              The only fact remains is that the purchase and sale of weapons is a political factor.

              In principle, I agree. But on a political basis, Yanni stole our Kalash and dumped on the Chinese
            2. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 13: 16 New
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              Quote: orionvitt
              So the purchase by Pakistan of Chinese tanks indicates exclusively the characteristics of Indo-Pakistan-Chinese relations.

              What is the Pakistani choice? But they cannot take the T-90, it is impossible for obvious reasons. Leo2, Leclerc and Abrams are not only more expensive, but they would hardly have been sold, for the last 20 years Pakistan has been a so-so partner and ally of the West, they are not trusted. Remain who, the Chinese and Ukrainians? And maybe dill could have rolled something worse than VT4, but the Thai experience is hardly suitable for Pakistan, they need it now, and not for 10 years.
    2. Azazelo April 27 2020 16: 58 New
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      Well there SOHU sang ...
      1. Lopatov April 27 2020 17: 44 New
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        Nevertheless, this is the third country that refused to cooperate with Ukraine in favor of the tank from Norinko. laughing
        It’s ridiculous ... It seems that Ukrainians are engaged in advertising not for themselves, but for China.
        1. Cananecat April 27 2020 21: 01 New
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          Quote: Spade
          It’s ridiculous ... It seems that Ukrainians are engaged in advertising not for themselves, but for China.

          Like, buy tanks from us now, otherwise you will have to buy from China, because Russia will not sell you. )))
          1. Lopatov April 27 2020 21: 46 New
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            I do not know why this happens.
            But ...
            Initially, Ukraine tried to push the “Oploty” to Thailand, they with a scratch bought half a hundred, then they began to purchase VT-4
            Initially, Ukraine tried to sell the T-72 from the presence of Nigeria, then Nigeria bought the VT-4
            Initially, Ukraine sold T-80UD to Pakistan, was ready to upgrade them, as well as sell Oplot-M to Pakistan. Then Pakistan bought VT-4
            Norinko were able to conclude an agreement on the supply of these tanks only to these three countries.

            And each time the reasons were different.
            Thailand - delays in the implementation of the contract and the cheapness of the "Chinese." Nigeria - the Ukrainian authorities turned out to be much more important to fight with their own dissenters. Pakistan - there may be a suspicion that the US will put pressure on the Ukrainian side, and most likely a loan, which Ukraine certainly cannot provide.

            Evil rock ...
            1. Cananecat April 29 2020 00: 33 New
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              Quote: Spade
              Evil rock ...

              Or the pragmatism of buyers, given that they were offered a really "old" metal from Ukraine, albeit with new nodes.
      2. RUSS April 27 2020 19: 50 New
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        Quote: Azazelo
        Well there SOHU sang ...

        The fact that China will soon be the second in terms of arms sales after the United States, well, and Russia, respectively, in the third and this is a fact
    3. TermNachTer April 27 2020 17: 52 New
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      This is PR and nothing more. Where to go to Pakistan? For them, China is a strategic partner. I think that the terms of the contract were also “sweet” for the packs. In general, packs I buy everything and everyone. They also bought in Banderland.
    4. venik April 28 2020 00: 39 New
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      Quote: svp67
      Weight is greater, ford is less, here engine power is higher

      ========
      The power is higher ..... But the specific power (25.5 hp / t for the "Chinese" versus 24.0 for the T-90SM) - frankly speaking - is NOT MUCH different .... Ammunition - also 40 rounds of ours (22 in the machine) - against 38 (22 in the machine) of the "Chinese" ....
      Quote: svp67
      so what makes this tank better than the T-90 is unclear

      drinks Especially - base model then ONE AND SAME! (T-72 is just STRONGLY modified!).
      BUT! Boast something you need! Especially - EXPORT model! And nobody has canceled advertising and PR yet! .... Although, in fairness: the Chinese have come up with quite a good modification (at least in terms of “tabular characteristics) ....
    5. krops777 April 28 2020 04: 32 New
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      The mass is more, the ford to be overcome is less, here the engine power is higher ... so that what is especially this tank better than T-90 is unclear


      There may be more Chinese horses, but in fact it’s more likely not so, they like to overestimate the power characteristics of engines or they have some kind of their own power rating system, but the fact remains that in reality the power is lower.
      1. dzvero April 29 2020 13: 10 New
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        Reminded of the first Chinese players in the 90s - three AA batteries, and a power of 750 watts smile So it’s quite possible they have 1 kW equal to two hp.
  2. Doccor18 April 27 2020 15: 19 New
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    "If Pakistan wants to create a fully modern tank corps at a reasonable price, it can only resort to the help of China. Therefore, the Pakistani side has expressed its clear willingness to cooperate with China in the development and acquisition of a truly reliable tank."

    Reasonably priced keyword phrase. Everything else is marketing and advertising.
    1. Doccor18 April 27 2020 15: 34 New
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      "The new Chinese VT4 main tank is intended exclusively for sales to foreign countries. This is not the first time that Chinese tank builders have developed new armored vehicles specifically for delivery to foreign customers, and VT4 continues this interesting trend. Developing countries in South America and Africa are considered potential customers of the new tank. Commercial success The VT4 can contribute to the achievement of the previous export project, VT1A. Tanks of this type serve in the armies of Morocco, Myanmar and Pakistan. In addition, VT1A will be delivered to Bangladesh. A few years ago, China signed a supply contract with Peru, but because of disagreements with the supplier Engines (Ukraine) the execution of this order was disrupted. "
      Military Review. 2012.
  3. Amateur April 27 2020 15: 21 New
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    Why, without fear of sin,
    Does the cuckoo praise the Rooster?
    For praising the Cuckoo.
    Author: I. A. Krylov

    Have you ever made an advertisement: "Our product is compared to *** complete (feces), but it is much cheaper!"
  4. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 15: 26 New
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    now our media needs to write - India buys Russian T-90 tanks with better features than the Chinese VT-4 that Pakistan buys
    1. Roma 1977 April 27 2020 18: 11 New
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      As in a joke:
      - Georgians are better than Armenians.
      - The better?
      - Than the Armenians.
  5. Pavel57 April 27 2020 15: 27 New
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    T-84 is no longer suitable?
    1. Sky strike fighter April 27 2020 15: 36 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      T-84 is no longer suitable?

      As you can see, Pakistan preferred Chinese tanks.
      In addition to the mentioned VT-4, the Ukrainian Oplot-M also took part in the announced competition. The Kharkov product was transferred by plane for testing. After their completion, a number of Ukrainian sources even hastened to declare victory over the equipment of NORINCO Corporation.
      But, as it turned out later, it was too early to rejoice, the car revealed many design flaws. They were also found from a Chinese competitor, but judging by the further development of events, the Chinese were able to quickly eliminate them.


      Now it was decided to acquire only VT-4.
      This defeat can be considered the last nail in the lid of the coffin of Ukrainian tank construction, which is literally haunted by catastrophic failures. One can recall a rather shameful story with the delivery of "Oplot" to Thailand, an "odyssey" with BTR-4 in Iraq. Therefore, the recent attacks of the Ukrainian media on the Russian T-90 are understandable, they were made from despair. Ukraine has lost the possibility of mass production of new equipment, factories are only able to repair and somehow improve the Soviet legacy.
      VT-4s are not the only tanks acquired by Pakistan. So, from Serbia this month received modernized T-55.

      https://rg.ru/2020/04/21/novyj-proval-oplota-pakistan-zakupil-vt-4-vmesto-ukrainskih-tankov.html
    2. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 20: 30 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      T-84 is no longer suitable?

      Ukrainian tanks are losing ground (which, to put it mildly, were not very good). Buy Chinese or Soviet design (various versions of seventy-two, T-55)
  6. Runoway April 27 2020 15: 27 New
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    This information is exclusively for the patriotic attitudes of citizens of the PRC!
    This miracle can boast of combat use?
    1. knn54 April 27 2020 15: 41 New
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      A man complains to the pathologist:
      - Doctor! I can’t afford my wife more than eight times a night!
      “And who told you you need more?”
      - The neighbor says that he can do twelve in a night!
      - Well, and you speak!
  7. Nikita, f April 27 2020 15: 32 New
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    My God, the Chinese called their tank reliable, probably they are the only ones who think so)
    1. ROSS_51 April 27 2020 21: 59 New
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      But all the Chinese parts are original.
  8. Sibguest April 27 2020 15: 33 New
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    It recalled an old advertisement from the 90s: Lenin and Brezhnev are standing together at the Mausoleum and watching a demonstration.
    Brezhnev: "And for what reason the demonstration?"
    Lenin: "This, my friend, the people who are going to go to the Tushino market!"
    Brezhnev: "So the Tushino market is still better than the others!"
    Lenin: "The better?"
    Brezhnev: "Than the others ..."
  9. rocket757 April 27 2020 15: 44 New
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    Shozh is not clear, the Chinese put on parking sensors tanks, something else like that.
    Nothing unusual, however, Sandpiper only sings songs about his swamp. It would be strange to hear otherwise.
  10. Fmax April 27 2020 15: 45 New
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    According to some sources, the armor penetration of Chinese bops is 730 mm per 2000 km, while the dynamics of the tank is slightly better (25 hp / t against our 23), the reverse speed is higher. There it seems to be different from our AZ and the barrel has been modified, therefore shells can be used longer. And we with our breakthrough 3 did not bother to put 2a82 and suffer with an old AZ and a limited gun’s charging chamber, resting on irrelevant 700 mm armor penetration.
    1. poquello April 27 2020 16: 34 New
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      Quote: FMax
      25 hp / t against ours 23

      You take root here, they like to consider the dynamics of tanks by horsepower.
      1. Mite April 27 2020 16: 37 New
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        Quote: poquello
        Quote: FMax
        25 hp / t against ours 23

        You take root here, they like to consider the dynamics of tanks by horsepower.

        laughing good Well pricked !!!!
      2. IL-18 April 27 2020 23: 59 New
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        Quote: poquello
        Quote: FMax
        25 hp / t against ours 23

        You take root here, they like to consider the dynamics of tanks by horsepower.

        Hardly. no Aerodynamics are not taken into account.
    2. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 20: 26 New
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      Quote: FMax
      There it seems to be different from our AZ and the barrel has been modified, therefore shells can be used longer.

      The VT4 is equipped with a 125 mm smoothbore gun, which is the Chinese version of the Soviet 2A46 gun. Therefore, there is no reason to talk about some kind of increased armor penetration in relation to domestic cannons and shells. Moreover, do not forget that the VT-4 is an export tank, and they do not put the latest on export cars
      1. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 16: 49 New
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        Quote: Gregory_45
        The VT4 is equipped with a 125 mm smoothbore gun, which is the Chinese version of the Soviet 2A46 gun. Therefore, there is no reason to talk about some kind of increased armor penetration in relation to domestic cannons and shells.


        Even if the trunks are the same in terms of performance characteristics, then there are other factors, such as quality, materials, length of the BOPS, under which the AZ has been finalized. BOPSs are a well-known problem of Russian tanks, since, unlike competition, there was no particular development. Since Russia is China’s direct competitor in the BTT market, I believe that the Chinese are oriented towards Russian technology and are trying to offer something better. I do not claim that the Chinese BOPS are more powerful, but I am sure that the Chinese are at least striving for this.
  11. Gennady Fomkin April 27 2020 15: 56 New
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    Quote: FMax
    According to some sources, the armor penetration of Chinese bops is 730 mm per 2000 km, while the dynamics of the tank is slightly better (25 hp / t against our 23), the reverse speed is higher. There it seems to be different from our AZ and the barrel has been modified, therefore shells can be used longer. And we with our breakthrough 3 did not bother to put 2a82 and suffer with an old AZ and a limited gun’s charging chamber, resting on irrelevant 700 mm armor penetration.

    Do you think for export we supply what we supply to our army? laughing
    1. V.I.P. April 27 2020 16: 09 New
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      The gun is the same, AZ is the same. The length of the BOPS is the same. A new BOPS, if there is, then a longer one, then for the 2A82 Gun, to it and the AZ another under a longer ammunition ...
    2. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 19: 43 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Do you think for export we supply what we supply to our army?

      You will be surprised, but there are such precedents (Su-35 for China). And also such, when the best-equipped cars are exported (such as BMP-3 for Azerbaijan).
      So laughter is not very appropriate.

      As for Indian tanks, there are no differences in armament relative to Russian vehicles. The gun is the same, the ammunition is the same.
  12. Gennady Fomkin April 27 2020 15: 58 New
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    I think Abrams are still some of the best in their class in terms of combat systems. So there is parity. Similar machines have Israel, Britain and Russia. I think the T-90 is probably very close (to Abrams), people talk about the Armata tank, but, as I understand it, it has not yet been put into operation
    John Murray
    US Army Deputy Chief of Staff, Lieutenant General laughing
    1. Cananecat April 27 2020 21: 06 New
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      You see ... Abrams are not ready for a maneuvering battle. They landed, came and stood ... here are the tactics of the US Army at the moment. But they realized the flaw of this tactic, so they drew attention to light tanks weighing up to 35 tons. They are already preparing to conduct maneuver combat operations as part of tank units. And for this we need a scope in the territory ... where is such a territory to be recalled?
      1. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 16: 57 New
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        Quote: Canecat
        You see ... Abrams are not ready for a maneuvering battle. They landed, came and stood ...

        Yeah, tell the Iraqis how the Americans do not know how to maneuver combat!))) Up to 200km per day moving in some directions. Interestingly, who in modern history used tanks more efficiently than the Americans?

        Quote: Canecat
        But they realized the flaw of this tactic, so they drew attention to light tanks weighing up to 35 tons.

        Light tanks are created for mobile groups, airborne landing, or fast transportation on transporters. The capture of the bridgehead and holding, until the main forces are tightened. Nobody is going to replace heavy cars with them.
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  14. silberwolf88 April 27 2020 16: 04 New
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    If you believe the media ... and Chinese ... then of course it is better ... but if you look at things really, then everything will fall into place ... and the T-90 is certainly cooler ...
    here, of course, you need to understand in whose hands the technique is ... and who on it can show what in real combat ...
  15. Retvizan 8 April 27 2020 16: 09 New
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    I'm just curious, we see how American, Russian, Israeli, German tanks are participating in the hostilities, I have not heard about Chinese at all. And here they say: “better than” and give some protocol characteristics, there is a saying: “It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines” ....
    I see nothing but marketing in this statement.
    1. Fmax April 27 2020 16: 24 New
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      In the "desert storm" on the part of Iraq, many 72 Chinese crafts participated.
      1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 18: 37 New
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        In the "desert storm" on the part of Iraq, many 72 Chinese crafts participated.
        in fairness there were also original 72-ks not a little, with the same sad result, though 72 there were very old modifications, and the general alignment of forces there was such that in general it didn’t matter which tanks, the result would be the same in in any case, you won’t get some tanks
        1. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 17: 02 New
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          Quote: _Ugene_
          true 72 there were very old modifications


          So already old? I don’t want to delve into the details now, many years have passed, but as far as I remember, at least the Saddam National Guard were modernized with either French or Italian TMS 72, with additional armored plates on the VLD. The big problem in the BFPS, as it was then, remains today in the Russian army, which does not allow effective firing at distances greater than 2,5 km.
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            So already old?
            there, in general, some of the tanks were T-55 and T-62, and part of the T-72M, as far as I remember, this is the weakest version of the 72-ki, the tower is weak, there was no multi-layer reservation
      2. IL-18 April 28 2020 00: 02 New
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        Quote: FMax
        In the "desert storm" on the part of Iraq, many 72 Chinese crafts participated.

        Come on belay
    2. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 19: 41 New
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      Quote: Retvizan 8
      I’m just curious, we see how American, Russian, Israeli, German tanks are participating in hostilities, I haven’t heard about Chinese at all

      Chinese tanks (Type 59 - a copy of the T-54, Type 62 - the lightweight Type 59) were used by Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, then - in Kuwait and in battles with the anti-Iraq coalition. Chinese tanks were used in Africa, in particular, in Sudan.
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        And how did they show themselves?
  16. strannik1985 April 27 2020 16: 20 New
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    100 vehicles are not enough for a corps (2 divisions), unless an infantry (44), even a mechanized one (176) is not enough, not to mention an armored division (310 tanks).
  17. Zaurbek April 27 2020 16: 29 New
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    Indian T90 is not the top of perfection. They did not order the upgrade either ... BOPS only ..... there is no panoramic sight ....
    1. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 17: 07 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      Indian T90 is not the top of perfection. They did not order the upgrade either ... BOPS only ..... there is no panoramic sight ....

      And where do they order the Panorama? The Russian Federation itself is Belarusian, which orders a licensed French Sosna-U sight, and domestic ones, for example, from Schwab sucks 8 times.
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        The Indians have more opportunities, and the Russian Federation has already appeared T90M quite already and with an eye and with a panorama .....
  18. Gennady Fomkin April 27 2020 16: 49 New
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    Quote: V.I.P.
    The gun is the same, AZ is the same. The length of the BOPS is the same. A new BOPS, if there is, then a longer one, then for the 2A82 Gun, to it and the AZ another under a longer ammunition ...
    The arsenals of Russian tankers began to replenish with "super-shells." We are talking about the latest armor-piercing subcaliber products 3BM44 "Lekalo", which in the amount of 2 thousand units will enter the troops before the end of the year. With such ammunition, our tanks can easily destroy the most modern armored vehicles at a distance of several meters to 3-5 km "As noted military expert Aleksey Khlopotov, the Lekalo is suitable for any 125-mm gun of all the tanks in service today. “Among the universal ammunition, the Lekalo is beyond competition,” he said.

    “If its predecessor, the Mango shell, penetrates 520 mm of solid armor from a distance of 2 km, then for a new sample the figure is 650 mm. This is enough to defeat the American M1A2 Abrams of modern modifications,” Khlopotov added.
    In addition, the designers worked closely on increasing the firepower of the T-90. The tank received a 125 mm 2A82-M1 smoothbore gun, the same as on the promising T-14 Armata. Today it is the most effective tank gun in the world from mass-produced ones: it allows you to shoot with enhanced charges and in terms of basic characteristics it is one and a half times the best NATO tank gun - Rheinmetall Rh120, which is placed on the Leopards and Abrams. laughing
    1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 18: 42 New
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      In addition, the designers worked closely on increasing the firepower of the T-90. The tank received a 125 mm 2A82-M1 smoothbore gun, the same as on the promising T-14 Armata.
      An empty mill and without a wind grinds. No on the breakout 2A82-M1, unfortunately
    2. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 19: 29 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      In addition, the designers worked closely on increasing the firepower of the T-90. The tank received a 125 mm 2A82-M1 smoothbore gun, the same as on the promising T-14 Armata.

      no on the T-90M new guns left the old 2A46. Like there is no KAZ, about which, however, they didn’t especially stutter
    3. Zaurbek April 28 2020 07: 41 New
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      Moreover, if it would be possible to produce 2A82-M1, then put it, except for the T90, it is also necessary to put it on the T72 and T80 with the corresponding modernization of the T80, there are different AZs.
    4. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 17: 12 New
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      Russian armor-piercing subcaliber products 3BM44 Lekalo are useless against modern western tanks M1 Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger 2, writes Defense Blog.

      The publication, citing the publication of The National Interest, noted that the frontal armor of the M1 Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 tanks is equivalent to 800 mm rolled homogeneous armor, whereas, according to Izvestia and Russian military expert Alexei Khlopotov, the latest Russian ammunition 3BM44 “ Lekalo "able to penetrate 650 millimeters of solid armor from a distance of two kilometers, which" is enough to defeat the American M1A2 Abrams modern modifications. "
  19. Gennady Fomkin April 27 2020 16: 53 New
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    In the Chinese and Pakistani media, covering the events with the VT-4 MBT contract, they write the following:

    Pakistan buys 100 Chinese VT-4 tanks with much better specifications than the T-90s of the Indian Armed Forces. Tomorrow these "journalists" will write that they have beguiled a demon and they did not say anything like that laughing
  20. strelokmira April 27 2020 17: 15 New
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    If Chinese tanks scold the site, then Pakistan is doing the right thing wink
    1. IL-18 April 28 2020 00: 09 New
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      who scolds? here they swear at the absence of the t-90 2a82, and they only find out about the Chinese what kind of bird.
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  22. APASUS April 27 2020 18: 06 New
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    This information is from Chinese and Pakistani media, primarily for the internal user! Both countries maintain close contact and logically supported the deal through the press.
  23. Shadow041 April 27 2020 18: 09 New
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    Judging by the fact that rollers fell off at the tank biathlon of Chinese tanks, they are far in quality even to the T-72 ...
  24. Vasyan1971 April 27 2020 18: 39 New
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    Further, the author of the article on the same resource writes that a hundred VT-4 tanks "will create parity on the border with India and allow farmers to work quietly on farmland on both sides of the border."

    Are they plowing there? Are they going to these tanks?
  25. cat Rusich April 27 2020 19: 22 New
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    There was already news that Pakistan bought 282 T-55N from Serbia. In April, 100pcs T-55Ns arrived at their destination - Pakistan.
    1. Lara Croft April 27 2020 20: 44 New
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      Quote: cat Rusich
      There was already news that Pakistan bought 282 T-55N from Serbia.

      I wonder why? Are they better than the Chinese T-59/69?
      1. sharp-lad April 27 2020 21: 19 New
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        They are better in the mountains in size and weight. hi
        1. Lara Croft April 27 2020 21: 49 New
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          Quote: sharp-lad
          They are better in the mountains in size and weight. hi

          Are you joking? But is the T-59 of Chinese manufacture not made on the basis of the T-55?
          1. sharp-lad April 27 2020 22: 38 New
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            So T55 after a small upgrade at a ridiculous price ..... Of course, better! smile
          2. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 17: 14 New
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            Yes and no, Type 59 is a lightweight version of the T-55, the quality and armor are much worse.
  26. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 19: 26 New
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    Pakistan buys VT-4 Chinese tanks
    Pakistan buys former Serbian T-55

    and in much larger quantities (almost three hundred) and almost at a bargain price (the entire batch of 55-ok cost 14 Chinese VT-4)
    Of course, it will be difficult for them to compete with the T-90, but they may well cover minor areas. For example, tanks can be deployed on the western border with Afghanistan to protect Pakistan’s territory from gangs. Against the background of the armistice of the United States with the Taliban and the intention to withdraw American troops from Afghanistan, such a decision may be justified.
    1. Lara Croft April 27 2020 21: 59 New
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      Gregory_45 (Gregory) and in much larger quantities (almost three hundred) and almost at a bargain price (the entire batch of 55-ok cost 14 Chinese VT-4)

      Apparently the key word here is "bargain price", because According to the Wiki, the following weapons are in service with Pakistan Pakistan: 51 T-54/55 + 1 (in reserve) (USSR), 300 Type-1 (all in reserve) (China), 100 Type 59-400 (Pakistan), 69 Upgraded Type 2-400 (Pakistan). A question for connoisseurs: why does Pakistan need a couple of hundred T-69s (Serbia) if the above tanks form the basis of Pakistan’s SV fleet and are identical to Serbian ones?
      1. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 22: 14 New
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        Quote: Lara Croft
        Apparently the key word here is "bargain price"

        exactly. Pakistan negotiated the supply of tanks with China (VT-4) and Russia (T-90), but in the end bought a small batch of Chinese tanks and finished it off with three hundred former Serbian tanks. The Serbs offered their T-55s almost for nothing, in the case of the VT-4, I think the price also affected
      2. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 17: 27 New
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        Quote: Lara Croft
        A question for connoisseurs: why does Pakistan need a couple of hundred T-55s (Serbia) if the above tanks form the basis of Pakistan’s SV fleet and are identical to Serbian ones?

        In my opinion they are not identical at all, or as identical as the T-72A and T-72B3. Only one complex DZ Contact 1 costs like more than $ 100, sights, SLAs, but not completely identical.
  27. Gennady Fomkin April 27 2020 19: 53 New
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    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Do you think for export we supply what we supply to our army?

    You will be surprised, but there are such precedents (Su-35 for China). And also such, when the best-equipped cars are exported (such as BMP-3 for Azerbaijan).
    So laughter is not very appropriate.

    As for Indian tanks, there are no differences in armament relative to Russian vehicles. The gun is the same, the ammunition is the same.

    We will not delve into the jungle of exports, so as not to complicate. Let's get down to business right away: so which country has more T-90 tanks than Russia?

    It is worth saying that it was the export to this country of 40 T-90 tanks (in 2001) and 84 T-90S tanks (in 2002) that helped UVZ not to curtail production. This country, as many have already guessed, is called India and it was she who became the largest exporter of T-90 tanks and, concurrently, the owner of more T-90 tanks!

    To say this, simple numbers:

    The number of produced T-90 \ T-90A tanks (which were produced for the needs of the Russian army): about 489 units. As of 2018, 369 tanks are now in combat units, another 120 are in storage.
    India has at least 1025 T-90S \ T-90CA tanks in service. Some of them were supplied by Russia, and some were produced in their own factories under a license that the country received in 2003 along with all equipment and technical documentation.
    1. Lara Croft April 29 2020 17: 37 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Let's get down to business right away: so which country has more T-90 tanks than Russia?
      It is worth saying that it was the export to this country of 40 T-90 tanks (in 2001) and 84 T-90S tanks (in 2002) that helped UVZ not to curtail production. This country, as many have already guessed, is called India and it was she who became the largest exporter of T-90 tanks and, concurrently, the owner of more T-90 tanks!
      To say this, simple numbers:
      The number of produced T-90 \ T-90A tanks (which were produced for the needs of the Russian army): about 489 units. As of 2018, 369 tanks are now in combat units, another 120 are in storage.
      India has at least 1025 T-90S \ T-90CA tanks in service.

      This is accessible and well-known information, to good and gullible forum users you "did not open your eyes" ...
      and part - produced at its own factories under a license that the country received in 2003, along with all equipment and technical documentation. That's it.

      As for the fact that not all components and assemblies of the T-90 are made by India, but we would like to do everything ourselves, here the article was already about India’s desire to obtain technologies for manufacturing tank engines for the T-90 ...
      The Indian military department stressed that the new contract implies an increase in the share of Indian components in the production of tanks from 40 to 80%, however, it is impossible to achieve full localization of T-90C production in India. The main components of the tank, up to 45% of its cost - the engine and transmission - will be delivered from Russia.

      https://topwar.ru/165229-indija-vyplatit-rossii-12-mlrd-dollarov-za-peredachu-tehnologij-tanka-t-90s.html
  28. Gennady Fomkin April 27 2020 19: 59 New
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    The export version of the T-90 T-90S tank is basically a copy from the original. It has the same smoothbore gun 2A46M caliber 125 millimeters, and the same engine V-84MS with a capacity of 840 horsepower. The T-90SK commander tank has more significant differences, since there is an additional radio station and navigation equipment.

    Over the past decade, the export version of the T-90S has achieved considerable success. India has purchased more than 300 T-90S machines, though without the standard Shtora-1 optical-electronic suppression system. The remaining buyers of the T-90S are represented by long-term buyers of Soviet weapons. Among them are Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Algeria, Libya and, presumably, Venezuela. A notable illustration of the fact that external market forces contribute to internal modernization are minor improvements in the design of the T-90S, made to maintain its competitiveness. The result is a modernized version of the T-90A. This tank has a welded turret, and in later versions it installed a V-92C2 engine with an increased power of 1 horsepower. It should be noted that the next version of this export tank called T-000MS, which is noticeably more powerful, but also more expensive, is offered as addition to the T-90S, but not as a complete replacement. The Kremlin is trying to fill all segments of the heavy armored vehicles market, continuing to supply the T-90S, which remains relevant in a number of medium-intensity conflicts in countries of the second and third world.

    The most serious competition for this tank could be China with its expanding catalog of export arms. Chinese military experts are already expressing dissatisfaction with the fact that Vietnam, in search of armored vehicles for its army, ignored Chinese VT4 and VT5 models. Mark Episkopos is a freelance writer for National Interest, a junior fellow at the Center for the National Interest and a graduate student at American University. German and American tanks are not Russian competitors for 20 years. Since the last Greek tender. Unlike the Chinese, who successfully enter markets with old Soviet weapons. laughing
    1. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 22: 19 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      The export version of the T-90 T-90S tank is basically a copy from the original. It has the same 2A smooth-bore 46A125M gun, and the same B-84MS engine

      What was your passage? I didn’t learn anything new, but
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Do you think for export we supply what we supply to our army?

      Quote: Gregory_45
      You will be surprised, but there are such precedents (Su-35 for China). And also such, when the best-equipped cars are exported (such as BMP-3 for Azerbaijan).
      So laughter is not very appropriate.

      As for Indian tanks, there are no differences in armament relative to Russian vehicles. The gun is the same, the ammunition is the same.

      left unattended)
  29. Lara Croft April 27 2020 20: 22 New
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    Today is the day of NORINCO and its counterparties? T-90 is made on the basis of the most warring tank in the world T-72, the better it is Chinese, except for a more powerful engine ....

    The Pakistan Army Tank Park consists of Soviet-made tanks made either by China or delivered by Ukraine .... from SA stocks ...

    If NORINCO persuades the leadership of Pakistan to upgrade the tank fleet with their own, then this will be a profitable deal for NORINCO, but this will not be superior to the Indian armored forces ... Indians are very scrupulous about the tanks they have in service ...

    By the way, maybe the Indians therefore require the Russian Federation to completely localize the production of T-90 in India, in order to subsequently modernize our tank engine on their own and with the forces of the "empirialists" ....
  30. Adimius38 April 27 2020 20: 47 New
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    the main mechanisms of this tank can be seen from cheap plastic, their Chinese miracle has already lost their rollers on the comb in our tank biathlon. Therefore, let them buy. The Chinese have always been masters of wrapping a piece of fical in a beautiful shiny wrapper. A T-90 is a proven tank with a large margin of safety and good potential for modernization, it would be financing
    1. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 22: 29 New
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      Quote: Adimius38
      the main mechanisms of this tank can be seen from cheap plastic, one of their miracles is the Chinese tank lost the rollers on the comb in our tank biathlon

      judging by pokatushkah biathlon is not worth it. It’s no secret that it’s not serial cars that participate in it, but lightweight, modified ones adapted to competitions. It is very possible that the Chinese put lightweight rollers and chassis elements - and the result was not long in coming.

      By the way, the Indians brought their T-90s also lightweight - without side screens and partly dismantled DZ blocks


      What they still removed or modified - only they know. And Indian tanks also broke.
  31. Shurik Ivanov April 28 2020 03: 53 New
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    Further, the author of the article on the same resource writes that a hundred VT-4 tanks "will create parity on the border with India and allow farmers on both sides of the border to work quietly on farmland. Something, it reminded. From the Soviet information bureau. Yesterday at four in the morning, in the Amur Valley, the Chinese side, consisting of 4 divisions, with the support of tanks and artillery, crossed the Soviet-Chinese border and attacked a peaceful Soviet tractor.The tractor repelled a treacherous attack with heavy machine-gun fire, knocking down 8 aircraft, destroying 30 tanks and up to 1000 units of enemy’s manpower. After turning on the marching engines, he disappeared into near-Earth space. The tractor driver feels well. The flight is normal. The collective farm chairman, Colonel General D.F. Ustinov, warns that if the incident recurs, seeders and winders will enter the field, threshers and combine with vertical take-off and landing, as well as with exhaust gases such as sarin and zoran.
    Peaceful Soviet tractor
  32. Gennady Fomkin April 28 2020 07: 02 New
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    You see ... Abrams are not ready for a maneuvering battle. They landed, came and stood ... here are the tactics of the US Army at the moment. But they realized the flaw of this tactic, so they drew attention to light tanks weighing up to 35 tons. They are already preparing to conduct maneuver combat operations as part of tank units. And for this we need a scope in the territory ... where is such a territory to be recalled?

    Remind esche about tanks. Guderian and cuirassier of Napoleon laughing
  33. Viktor Sergeev April 28 2020 08: 58 New
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    If Pakistan wants to get breaking tanks, consuming fuel like Abrams, a degraded copy of the T90, then the flag is in his hands. The main thing for this miracle is not to engage in real battles.
    1. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 18: 25 New
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      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      gnawing fuel like Abrams

      Isn't it dill 6td, or are German MTUs standing there? Or do the Chinese put theirs, with an expense like that of Abrams?
  34. KARAKURT15 April 28 2020 20: 16 New
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    Quote: Tusv
    Hindus on t-90 is anti-advertising

    So they in the exercises almost all of their T-90 trunks torn. What and how they scorch, only they themselves know. Initiators Mlyn ..