In China: Pakistan buys Chinese VT-4 tanks with better performance than India's T-90

Chinese media report shipments tanks VT-4 (aka MBT-3000) in April to two foreign countries. The material says that exports were made to Nigeria and Pakistan. There is no exact data on the number of Chinese combat vehicles delivered to an African country, but information about VT-4 shipments to Islamabad appeared in open sources.

If you believe the publications, then Pakistan will acquire from Beijing 100 of these tanks from the manufacturer Norinco. And the first tanks have already been sent to this country.

VT-4 tanks have a 125 mm caliber gun with ammunition for up to 38 shells for various purposes. The combat weight of this MBT is 51 tons. The tank has the ability to overcome ford up to 140 cm deep. Engine power - 1,3 thousand hp.

Earlier, the Thai army became the customer of VT-4.

Inside the VT-4 tank

In the Chinese and Pakistani media, covering the events with the VT-4 MBT contract, they write the following:

Pakistan buys 100 Chinese VT-4 tanks with much better performance than the Indian T-90.

What characteristics of the Chinese tank are "much better" than the T-90 are not reported. But it was noted that this is an important deal for Chinese industry, as it will help strengthen cooperation with Pakistani partners, and establish ammunition supplies, according to which an additional agreement will be concluded. We are also talking about the maintenance of VT-4 and the training of the Pakistani military by Chinese specialists.

Chinese resource Sina:

If Pakistan wants to create a fully modern tank corps at a reasonable price, it can only resort to the help of China. Therefore, the Pakistani side expressed its clear willingness to cooperate with China in the development and acquisition of a truly reliable tank.

Further, the author of the article on the same resource writes that a hundred VT-4 tanks "will create parity on the border with India and allow farmers on both sides of the border to work quietly on farmland."

Comments

[svp67]

The combat weight of this MBT is 51 tons. The tank has the ability to overcome ford up to 140 cm deep. Engine power - 1,3 thousand hp.

The mass is more, the ford to be overcome is less, here the engine power is higher ... so that what is especially this tank better than T-90 is unclear

[Tusv]

At the last biathlon they did not even break. There are three T-Be-70s at a bend around them at a speed of under 80 km per hour. Not well, to the eyeballs of ammunition can be. So they screwed up with Bius. Although how. Hindus on t-90 is anti-advertising

[mitroha]

Press in China: "Chinese tanks are better. What characteristics do not matter." Where is the news here?
I think I'm dancing pretty well. Getting to the discussion?

[Tusv]

Quote: Mitroha

I think I'm dancing pretty well. Getting to the discussion?

Not. I only dream of enrolling in a dance studio. What is in the way? Show?
But the fact remains. The Hindus on the T-90 dishonored the tank, And the Chinese won. Like be. He abrased at a later stage, but lay down under the antediluvian T-72 B3. Want to continue the discussion?

[mitroha]

Therefore, it is necessary to evaluate the technique separately according to its characteristics. Or equipment under the control of professionals, such as testers, preferably from the manufacturer. And so it’s nothing .. The human factor is too strong.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mitroha

Therefore, it is necessary to evaluate the technique separately according to its characteristics. Or equipment under the control of professionals, such as testers, preferably from the manufacturer. And so it’s nothing .. The human factor is too strong.

We must evaluate the tank as it will be on the battlefield.

[mitroha]

Without the normal, trained crews of professionals, he will remain a pile of metal. And given the complexity of the technology a bunch of VERY expensive metal

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: Mitroha

Without the normal, trained crews of professionals, he will remain a pile of metal.

This is true, which clearly shows an example of the use of Abrams by Americans and Arabs. Despite the more difficult combat situation, they were not so stupidly substituted as the Arabs against the Hussites.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Tusv

But the fact remains. Hindus on the T-90 dishonored the tank, And the Chinese won

There is only one fact that the purchase and sale of weapons is a political factor and does not always depend on "what is better" and "what is worse." So the purchase by Pakistan of Chinese tanks indicates exclusively the peculiarities of Indo-Pakistani-Chinese relations. And the Chinese have already rushed this fact, ascribed to the "perfection" of their tanks. The arms trade, at one end, always comes up against big politics.

[Tusv]

Quote: orionvitt

The only fact remains is that the purchase and sale of weapons is a political factor.

In principle, I agree. But on a political basis, Yanni stole our Kalash and dumped on the Chinese

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: orionvitt

So the purchase by Pakistan of Chinese tanks indicates exclusively the characteristics of Indo-Pakistan-Chinese relations.

What is the Pakistani choice? But they cannot take the T-90, it is impossible for obvious reasons. Leo2, Leclerc and Abrams are not only more expensive, but they would hardly have been sold, for the last 20 years Pakistan has been a so-so partner and ally of the West, they are not trusted. Remain who, the Chinese and Ukrainians? And maybe dill could have rolled something worse than VT4, but the Thai experience is hardly suitable for Pakistan, they need it now, and not for 10 years.

[Azazelo]

Well there SOHU sang ...

[Lopatov]

Nevertheless, this is the third country that refused to cooperate with Ukraine in favor of the tank from Norinko.
It’s ridiculous ... It seems that Ukrainians are engaged in advertising not for themselves, but for China.

[Cananecat]

Quote: Spade

It’s ridiculous ... It seems that Ukrainians are engaged in advertising not for themselves, but for China.

Like, buy tanks from us now, otherwise you will have to buy from China, because Russia will not sell you. )))

[Lopatov]

I do not know why this happens.
But ...
At first, Ukraine tried to push "Oplots" to Thailand, they with a creak bought half a hundred, then they began to purchase VT-4
Initially, Ukraine tried to sell the T-72 from the presence of Nigeria, then Nigeria bought the VT-4
At first, Ukraine sold T-80UD to Pakistan, was ready to modernize them, as well as sell Oplot-M to Pakistan. Then Pakistan bought VT-4
Norinko were able to conclude a contract for the supply of these tanks only to these three countries.

And each time the reasons were different.
Thailand - delays in the implementation of the contract and the cheapness of the "Chinese". Nigeria - it turned out to be much more important for the Ukrainian authorities to fight their own dissidents. Pakistan - it is possible that there is a suspicion that the US will put pressure on the Ukrainian side, and most likely a loan, which of course Ukraine cannot provide.

Evil rock ...

[Cananecat]

Quote: Spade

Evil rock ...

Or the pragmatism of buyers, given that they were offered really "old" metal from Ukraine, albeit with new units.

[RUSS]

Quote: Azazelo

Well there SOHU sang ...

The fact that China will soon be the second in terms of arms sales after the United States, well, and Russia, respectively, in the third and this is a fact

[TermNachTer]

This is PR and nothing more. Where can Pakistan go? For them, China is a strategic partner. I think that the terms of the contract were also "sweet" for the packs. In general, I buy everything and everyone packs. They also bought in Banderland.

[venik]

Quote: svp67

Weight is greater, ford is less, here engine power is higher

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The power is higher ..... But the specific power (25.5 hp / t in the "Chinese" versus 24.0 in the T-90SM) - frankly - NOT VERY different .... Ammunition - also 40 shots from our (22 in the machine) - against 38 (22 in the machine) from the "Chinese" ....

Quote: svp67

so what makes this tank better than the T-90 is unclear

Especially - base model then ONE AND SAME! (T-72 is just STRONGLY modified!).
BUT! You need to brag! Moreover - the EXPORT model! And advertising and "PR" have not been canceled yet! .... Although in fairness: the Chinese came out with quite a good modification (at least according to "tabular characteristics) ...

[krops777]

The mass is more, the ford to be overcome is less, here the engine power is higher ... so that what is especially this tank better than T-90 is unclear

There may be more Chinese horses, but in fact it’s more likely not so, they like to overestimate the power characteristics of engines or they have some kind of their own power rating system, but the fact remains that in reality the power is lower.

[dzvero]

Reminded of the first Chinese players in the 90s - three AA batteries, and a power of 750 watts So it’s quite possible they have 1 kW equal to two hp.

[Doccor18]

"If Pakistan wants to create a fully modern tank corps at a reasonable cost, it can only resort to China's help. Therefore, the Pakistani side has expressed a clear willingness to cooperate with China in the development and acquisition of a truly reliable tank."

The key phrase is "at a reasonable price." Everything else is marketing and advertising.

[Doccor18]

"The new Chinese main tank VT4 is intended exclusively for sales to foreign countries. It is not the first time that Chinese tank builders have been developing new armored vehicles specifically for delivery to foreign customers, and VT4 continues this interesting trend. The developing countries of South America and Africa are considered as potential customers for the new tank. tank VT4 can contribute to the achievement of the previous export project - VT1A. Tanks of this type serve in the armies of Morocco, Myanmar and Pakistan. In addition, VT1A will be supplied to Bangladesh. Several years ago, China signed a supply contract with Peru, but due to disagreements with the supplier engines (Ukraine) execution of this order was disrupted. "
Military Review. 2012.

[Amateur]

Why, without fear of sin,
Does the cuckoo praise the Rooster?
For praising the Cuckoo.
Author: I. A. Krylov

Have you ever spotted an ad: "Our product compared to *** full (feces), but it is much cheaper!"

[_Ugene_]

now our media needs to write - India buys Russian T-90 tanks with better features than the Chinese VT-4 that Pakistan buys

[Roma 1977]

As in a joke:
- Georgians are better than Armenians.
- The better?
- Than the Armenians.

[Pavel57]

T-84 is no longer suitable?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Pavel57

T-84 is no longer suitable?

As you can see, Pakistan preferred Chinese tanks.

In addition to the aforementioned VT-4, the Ukrainian "Oplot-M" also took part in the announced tender. The Kharkov product was thrown by plane for testing. After their completion, a number of Ukrainian sources even hastened to announce victory over the equipment of the NORINCO corporation.
But, as it turned out later, it was too early to rejoice, the car revealed many design flaws. They were also found from a Chinese competitor, but judging by the further development of events, the Chinese were able to quickly eliminate them.

Now it was decided to acquire only VT-4.
This defeat can be considered the last nail in the coffin of the Ukrainian tank building, which is literally pursued by catastrophic failures. One can recall the rather shameful story with the supply of "Oplots" to Thailand, the "odyssey" with the BTR-4 in Iraq. Therefore, the recent attacks of the Ukrainian media on the Russian T-90s are understandable; they were made out of despair. Ukraine has lost the ability to serial production of new equipment, factories are only able to repair and somehow improve the Soviet legacy.
VT-4s are not the only tanks acquired by Pakistan. So, from Serbia this month received modernized T-55.

https://rg.ru/2020/04/21/novyj-proval-oplota-pakistan-zakupil-vt-4-vmesto-ukrainskih-tankov.html

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Pavel57

T-84 is no longer suitable?

Ukrainian tanks are losing ground (which, to put it mildly, were not very good). Buy Chinese or Soviet design (various versions of seventy-two, T-55)

[Runoway]

This information is exclusively for the patriotic attitudes of citizens of the PRC!
This miracle can boast of combat use?

[knn54]

A man complains to the pathologist:
- Doctor! I can’t afford my wife more than eight times a night!
“And who told you you need more?”
- The neighbor says that he can do twelve in a night!
- Well, and you speak!

[Nikita, f]

My God, the Chinese called their tank reliable, probably they are the only ones who think so)

[ROSS_51]

But all the Chinese parts are original.

[Sibguest]

It recalled an old advertisement from the 90s: Lenin and Brezhnev are standing together at the Mausoleum and watching a demonstration.
Brezhnev: "And what about the demonstration?"
Lenin: "This, my friend, those who are buzzing are going to the Tushino market!"
Brezhnev: "This means that the Tushino market is still better than the others!"
Lenin: "What's Better?"
Brezhnev: "Than others ..."

[rocket757]

Shozh is not clear, the Chinese put on parking sensors tanks, something else like that.
Nothing unusual, however, Sandpiper only sings songs about his swamp. It would be strange to hear otherwise.

[Fmax]

According to some sources, the armor penetration of Chinese bops is 730 mm per 2000 km, while the dynamics of the tank is slightly better (25 hp / t against our 23), the reverse speed is higher. There it seems to be different from our AZ and the barrel has been modified, therefore shells can be used longer. And we with our breakthrough 3 did not bother to put 2a82 and suffer with an old AZ and a limited gun’s charging chamber, resting on irrelevant 700 mm armor penetration.

[poquello]

Quote: FMax

25 hp / t against ours 23

You take root here, they like to consider the dynamics of tanks by horsepower.

[Mite]

Quote: poquello

Quote: FMax

25 hp / t against ours 23

You take root here, they like to consider the dynamics of tanks by horsepower.

Well pricked !!!!

[IL-18]

Quote: poquello

Quote: FMax

25 hp / t against ours 23

You take root here, they like to consider the dynamics of tanks by horsepower.

Hardly. Aerodynamics are not taken into account.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: FMax

There it seems to be different from our AZ and the barrel has been modified, therefore shells can be used longer.

The VT4 is equipped with a 125 mm smoothbore gun, which is the Chinese version of the Soviet 2A46 gun. Therefore, there is no reason to talk about some kind of increased armor penetration in relation to domestic cannons and shells. Moreover, do not forget that the VT-4 is an export tank, and they do not put the latest on export cars

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: Gregory_45

The VT4 is equipped with a 125 mm smoothbore gun, which is the Chinese version of the Soviet 2A46 gun. Therefore, there is no reason to talk about some kind of increased armor penetration in relation to domestic cannons and shells.

Even if the trunks are the same in terms of performance characteristics, then there are other factors, such as quality, materials, length of the BOPS, under which the AZ has been finalized. BOPSs are a well-known problem of Russian tanks, since, unlike competition, there was no particular development. Since Russia is China’s direct competitor in the BTT market, I believe that the Chinese are oriented towards Russian technology and are trying to offer something better. I do not claim that the Chinese BOPS are more powerful, but I am sure that the Chinese are at least striving for this.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: FMax

According to some sources, the armor penetration of Chinese bops is 730 mm per 2000 km, while the dynamics of the tank is slightly better (25 hp / t against our 23), the reverse speed is higher. There it seems to be different from our AZ and the barrel has been modified, therefore shells can be used longer. And we with our breakthrough 3 did not bother to put 2a82 and suffer with an old AZ and a limited gun’s charging chamber, resting on irrelevant 700 mm armor penetration.

Do you think for export we supply what we supply to our army?

[V.I.P.]

The gun is the same, AZ is the same. The length of the BOPS is the same. A new BOPS, if there is, then a longer one, then for the 2A82 Gun, to it and the AZ another under a longer ammunition ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Do you think for export we supply what we supply to our army?

You will be surprised, but there are such precedents (Su-35 for China). And also such, when the best-equipped cars are exported (such as BMP-3 for Azerbaijan).
So laughter is not very appropriate.

As for Indian tanks, there are no differences in armament relative to Russian vehicles. The gun is the same, the ammunition is the same.

[Gennady Fomkin]

I think the Abrams are still some of the best in their class in terms of combat systems. So there is parity. Israel, Great Britain and Russia have similar machines. I think the T-90 is probably very close (to the Abrams), people talk about the Armata tank, but, as far as I understand, it has not yet been commissioned
John Murray
US Army Deputy Chief of Staff, Lieutenant General

[Cananecat]

You see ... Abrams are not ready for a maneuvering battle. They landed, came and stood ... here are the tactics of the US Army at the moment. But they realized the flaw of this tactic, so they drew attention to light tanks weighing up to 35 tons. They are already preparing to conduct maneuver combat operations as part of tank units. And for this we need a scope in the territory ... where is such a territory to be recalled?

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: Canecat

You see ... Abrams are not ready for a maneuvering battle. They landed, came and stood ...

Yeah, tell the Iraqis how the Americans do not know how to maneuver combat!))) Up to 200km per day moving in some directions. Interestingly, who in modern history used tanks more efficiently than the Americans?

Quote: Canecat

But they realized the flaw of this tactic, so they drew attention to light tanks weighing up to 35 tons.

Light tanks are created for mobile groups, airborne landing, or fast transportation on transporters. The capture of the bridgehead and holding, until the main forces are tightened. Nobody is going to replace heavy cars with them.

[silverwolf88]

If you believe the media ... and Chinese ... then of course it is better ... but if you look at things really, then everything will fall into place ... and the T-90 is certainly cooler ...
here, of course, you need to understand in whose hands the technique is ... and who on it can show what in real combat ...

[Retvizan 8]

I'm just wondering, we see how American, Russian, Israeli, German tanks are participating in hostilities, I have never heard of Chinese ones. And here they say: "better than" and give some protocol characteristics, there is such a saying: "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines" ...
I see nothing but marketing in this statement.

[Fmax]

In the "desert storm" from the Iraqi side, many Chinese 72-ki crafts were involved.

[_Ugene_]

In the "desert storm" from the Iraqi side, many Chinese 72-ki crafts were involved.

in fairness there were also original 72-ks not a little, with the same sad result, though 72 there were very old modifications, and the general alignment of forces there was such that in general it didn’t matter which tanks, the result would be the same in in any case, you won’t get some tanks

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: _Ugene_

true 72 there were very old modifications

So already old? I don’t want to delve into the details now, many years have passed, but as far as I remember, at least the Saddam National Guard were modernized with either French or Italian TMS 72, with additional armored plates on the VLD. The big problem in the BFPS, as it was then, remains today in the Russian army, which does not allow effective firing at distances greater than 2,5 km.

[_Ugene_]

So already old?

there, in general, some of the tanks were T-55 and T-62, and part of the T-72M, as far as I remember, this is the weakest version of the 72-ki, the tower is weak, there was no multi-layer reservation

[IL-18]

Quote: FMax

In the "desert storm" from the Iraqi side, many Chinese 72-ki crafts were involved.

Come on

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Retvizan 8

I’m just curious, we see how American, Russian, Israeli, German tanks are participating in hostilities, I haven’t heard about Chinese at all

Chinese tanks (Type 59 - a copy of the T-54, Type 62 - the lightweight Type 59) were used by Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, then - in Kuwait and in battles with the anti-Iraq coalition. Chinese tanks were used in Africa, in particular, in Sudan.

[Retvizan 8]

And how did they show themselves?

[strannik1985]

100 vehicles are not enough for a corps (2 divisions), unless an infantry (44), even a mechanized one (176) is not enough, not to mention an armored division (310 tanks).

[Zaurbek]

Indian T90 is not the top of perfection. They did not order the upgrade either ... BOPS only ..... there is no panoramic sight ....

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: Zaurbek

Indian T90 is not the top of perfection. They did not order the upgrade either ... BOPS only ..... there is no panoramic sight ....

And where do they order the Panorama? The Russian Federation itself is Belarusian, which orders a licensed French Sosna-U sight, and domestic ones, for example, from Schwab sucks 8 times.

[Zaurbek]

The Indians have more opportunities, and the Russian Federation has already appeared T90M quite already and with an eye and with a panorama .....

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: V.I.P.

The gun is the same, AZ is the same. The length of the BOPS is the same. A new BOPS, if there is, then a longer one, then for the 2A82 Gun, to it and the AZ another under a longer ammunition ...

The arsenals of Russian tankers began to be replenished with "super shells". We are talking about the newest armor-piercing sub-caliber products 3BM44 "Lekalo", which in the amount of 2 thousand units will enter the troops by the end of the year. With such ammunition, our tanks can easily destroy the most modern armored vehicles at a distance from several meters to 3-5 km "As noted military expert Aleksey Khlopotov, "Lekalo" is suitable for any 125-millimeter gun of all tanks in service today. "Among such universal ammunition, Lekalo is beyond competition," he said.

"If its predecessor, the Mango projectile, penetrates 520 mm of solid armor from a distance of 2 km, then for the new model the figure is 650 mm. This is enough to defeat the modern American M1A2 Abrams," Khlopotov added.
In addition, the designers have worked hard to increase the firepower of the T-90. The tank received a 125-mm 2A82-M1 smoothbore gun, the same as on the promising T-14 Armata. Today it is the most effective mass-produced tank gun in the world: it allows you to shoot with reinforced charges and, in terms of its main characteristics, is one and a half times superior to the best NATO tank gun - Rheinmetall Rh120, which is installed on Leopards and Abrams.

[_Ugene_]

In addition, the designers have worked hard to increase the firepower of the T-90. The tank received a 125-mm 2A82-M1 smoothbore gun, the same as on the promising T-14 Armata.

An empty mill and without a wind grinds. No on the breakout 2A82-M1, unfortunately

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

In addition, the designers have worked hard to increase the firepower of the T-90. The tank received a 125-mm 2A82-M1 smoothbore gun, the same as on the promising T-14 Armata.

no on the T-90M new guns left the old 2A46. Like there is no KAZ, about which, however, they didn’t especially stutter

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, if it would be possible to produce 2A82-M1, then put it, except for the T90, it is also necessary to put it on the T72 and T80 with the corresponding modernization of the T80, there are different AZs.

[Alexander mosin]

Russian armor-piercing subcaliber products 3BM44 Lekalo are useless against modern western tanks M1 Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger 2, writes Defense Blog.

The publication, citing the publication of The National Interest, noted that the frontal armor of the M1 Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 tanks is equivalent to 800 mm rolled homogeneous armor, whereas, according to Izvestia and Russian military expert Alexei Khlopotov, the latest Russian ammunition 3BM44 “ Lekalo "able to penetrate 650 millimeters of solid armor from a distance of two kilometers, which" is enough to defeat the American M1A2 Abrams modern modifications. "

[Gennady Fomkin]

In the Chinese and Pakistani media, covering the events with the VT-4 MBT contract, they write the following:

Pakistan buys 100 Chinese VT-4 tanks with much better characteristics than those of the T-90 of the Indian Armed Forces. Tomorrow these "journalists" will write that their demon was beguiled and they did not say anything like that

[strelokmira]

If Chinese tanks scold the site, then Pakistan is doing the right thing

[IL-18]

who scolds? here they swear at the absence of the t-90 2a82, and they only find out about the Chinese what kind of bird.

[APASUS]

This information is from Chinese and Pakistani media, primarily for the internal user! Both countries maintain close contact and logically supported the deal through the press.

[Shadow041]

Judging by the fact that rollers fell off at the tank biathlon of Chinese tanks, they are far in quality even to the T-72 ...

[Vasyan1971]

Further, the author of the article on the same resource writes that a hundred VT-4 tanks "will create parity on the border with India and allow farmers on both sides of the border to work quietly on farmland."

Are they plowing there? Are they going to these tanks?

[cat Rusich]

There was already news that Pakistan bought 282 T-55N from Serbia. In April, 100pcs T-55Ns arrived at their destination - Pakistan.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: cat Rusich

There was already news that Pakistan bought 282 T-55N from Serbia.

I wonder why? Are they better than the Chinese T-59/69?

[sharp-lad]

They are better in the mountains in size and weight.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: sharp-lad

They are better in the mountains in size and weight.

Are you joking? But is the T-59 of Chinese manufacture not made on the basis of the T-55?

[sharp-lad]

So T55 after a small upgrade at a ridiculous price ..... Of course, better!

[Alexander mosin]

Yes and no, Type 59 is a lightweight version of the T-55, the quality and armor are much worse.

[Grigory_45]

Pakistan buys VT-4 Chinese tanks

Pakistan buys former Serbian T-55

and in much larger quantities (almost three hundred) and almost at a bargain price (the entire batch of 55-ok cost 14 Chinese VT-4)
Of course, it will be difficult for them to compete with the T-90, but they may well cover minor areas. For example, tanks can be deployed on the western border with Afghanistan to protect Pakistan’s territory from gangs. Against the background of the armistice of the United States with the Taliban and the intention to withdraw American troops from Afghanistan, such a decision may be justified.

[Lara Croft]

Gregory_45 (Gregory) and in much larger quantities (almost three hundred) and almost at a bargain price (the entire batch of 55-ok cost 14 Chinese VT-4)

Apparently the key word here is "bargain price". according to the WIKI, the Pakistani Army is armed with: 51 T-54/55 + 1 (in reserve) (USSR), 300 Type-1 (all in reserve) (PRC), 100 Type 59-400 (Pakistan), 69 modernized Type 2-400 (Pakistan). A question for connoisseurs: why does Pakistan need a couple of hundred more T-69s (Serbia), if the above tanks form the basis of the Pakistani army's tank fleet and are identical to Serbian ones?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Lara Croft

Apparently the key word here is "bargain price"

exactly. Pakistan negotiated the supply of tanks with China (VT-4) and Russia (T-90), but in the end bought a small batch of Chinese tanks and finished it off with three hundred former Serbian tanks. The Serbs offered their T-55s almost for nothing, in the case of the VT-4, I think the price also affected

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: Lara Croft

A question for connoisseurs: why does Pakistan need a couple of hundred T-55s (Serbia) if the above tanks form the basis of Pakistan’s SV fleet and are identical to Serbian ones?

In my opinion they are not identical at all, or as identical as the T-72A and T-72B3. Only one complex DZ Contact 1 costs like more than $ 100, sights, SLAs, but not completely identical.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Do you think for export we supply what we supply to our army?

You will be surprised, but there are such precedents (Su-35 for China). And also such, when the best-equipped cars are exported (such as BMP-3 for Azerbaijan).
So laughter is not very appropriate.

As for Indian tanks, there are no differences in armament relative to Russian vehicles. The gun is the same, the ammunition is the same.

We will not delve into the jungle of exports, so as not to complicate. Let's get down to business right away: so which country has more T-90 tanks than Russia?

It is worth saying that it was the export to this country of 40 T-90 tanks (in 2001) and 84 T-90S tanks (in 2002) that helped UVZ not to curtail production. This country, as many have already guessed, is called India and it was she who became the largest exporter of T-90 tanks and, concurrently, the owner of more T-90 tanks!

To say this, simple numbers:

The number of produced T-90 \ T-90A tanks (which were produced for the needs of the Russian army): about 489 units. As of 2018, 369 tanks are now in combat units, another 120 are in storage.
India has at least 1025 T-90S \ T-90CA tanks in service. Some of them were supplied by Russia, and some were produced in their own factories under a license that the country received in 2003 along with all equipment and technical documentation.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Let's get down to business right away: so which country has more T-90 tanks than Russia?
It is worth saying that it was the export to this country of 40 T-90 tanks (in 2001) and 84 T-90S tanks (in 2002) that helped UVZ not to curtail production. This country, as many have already guessed, is called India and it was she who became the largest exporter of T-90 tanks and, concurrently, the owner of more T-90 tanks!
To say this, simple numbers:
The number of produced T-90 \ T-90A tanks (which were produced for the needs of the Russian army): about 489 units. As of 2018, 369 tanks are now in combat units, another 120 are in storage.
India has at least 1025 T-90S \ T-90CA tanks in service.

This is accessible and well-known information, you "did not open your eyes" to kind and trusting members of the forum ...

and part - produced at its own factories under a license that the country received in 2003, along with all equipment and technical documentation. That's it.

As for the fact that not all components and assemblies of the T-90 are made by India, but we would like to do everything ourselves, here the article was already about India’s desire to obtain technologies for manufacturing tank engines for the T-90 ...

The Indian military department stressed that the new contract implies an increase in the share of Indian components in the production of tanks from 40 to 80%, however, it is impossible to achieve full localization of T-90C production in India. The main components of the tank, up to 45% of its cost - the engine and transmission - will be delivered from Russia.

https://topwar.ru/165229-indija-vyplatit-rossii-12-mlrd-dollarov-za-peredachu-tehnologij-tanka-t-90s.html

[Gennady Fomkin]

The export version of the T-90 T-90S tank is basically a copy from the original. It has the same smoothbore gun 2A46M caliber 125 millimeters, and the same engine V-84MS with a capacity of 840 horsepower. The T-90SK commander tank has more significant differences, since there is an additional radio station and navigation equipment.

Over the past decade, the export version of the T-90S has achieved considerable success. India has purchased more than 300 T-90S machines, though without the standard Shtora-1 optical-electronic suppression system. The remaining buyers of the T-90S are represented by long-term buyers of Soviet weapons. Among them are Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Algeria, Libya and, presumably, Venezuela. A notable illustration of the fact that external market forces contribute to internal modernization are minor improvements in the design of the T-90S, made to maintain its competitiveness. The result is a modernized version of the T-90A. This tank has a welded turret, and in later versions it installed a V-92C2 engine with an increased power of 1 horsepower. It should be noted that the next version of this export tank called T-000MS, which is noticeably more powerful, but also more expensive, is offered as addition to the T-90S, but not as a complete replacement. The Kremlin is trying to fill all segments of the heavy armored vehicles market, continuing to supply the T-90S, which remains relevant in a number of medium-intensity conflicts in countries of the second and third world.

The most serious competition for this tank could be China with its expanding catalog of export arms. Chinese military experts are already expressing dissatisfaction with the fact that Vietnam, in search of armored vehicles for its army, ignored Chinese VT4 and VT5 models. Mark Episkopos is a freelance writer for National Interest, a junior fellow at the Center for the National Interest and a graduate student at American University. German and American tanks are not Russian competitors for 20 years. Since the last Greek tender. Unlike the Chinese, who successfully enter markets with old Soviet weapons.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

The export version of the T-90 T-90S tank is basically a copy from the original. It has the same 2A smooth-bore 46A125M gun, and the same B-84MS engine

What was your passage? I didn’t learn anything new, but

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Do you think for export we supply what we supply to our army?

Quote: Gregory_45

You will be surprised, but there are such precedents (Su-35 for China). And also such, when the best-equipped cars are exported (such as BMP-3 for Azerbaijan).
So laughter is not very appropriate.

As for Indian tanks, there are no differences in armament relative to Russian vehicles. The gun is the same, the ammunition is the same.

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[Lara Croft]

Today is the day of NORINCO and its counterparties? T-90 is made on the basis of the most warring tank in the world T-72, the better it is Chinese, except for a more powerful engine ....

The Pakistan Army Tank Park consists of Soviet-made tanks made either by China or delivered by Ukraine .... from SA stocks ...

If NORINCO persuades the leadership of Pakistan to upgrade the tank fleet with their own, then this will be a profitable deal for NORINCO, but this will not be superior to the Indian armored forces ... Indians are very scrupulous about the tanks they have in service ...

By the way, maybe the Indians are therefore demanding from the Russian Federation the complete localization of production in India of the T-90, in order to subsequently modernize our tank engine on their own and by the forces of "empiricalists" ....

[Adimius38]

the main mechanisms of this tank can be seen from cheap plastic, their Chinese miracle has already lost their rollers on the comb in our tank biathlon. Therefore, let them buy. The Chinese have always been masters of wrapping a piece of fical in a beautiful shiny wrapper. A T-90 is a proven tank with a large margin of safety and good potential for modernization, it would be financing

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Adimius38

the main mechanisms of this tank can be seen from cheap plastic, one of their miracles is the Chinese tank lost the rollers on the comb in our tank biathlon

judging by pokatushkah biathlon is not worth it. It’s no secret that it’s not serial cars that participate in it, but lightweight, modified ones adapted to competitions. It is very possible that the Chinese put lightweight rollers and chassis elements - and the result was not long in coming.

By the way, the Indians brought their T-90s also lightweight - without side screens and partly dismantled DZ blocks

What they still removed or modified - only they know. And Indian tanks also broke.

[Shurik Ivanov]

Further, the author of an article on the same resource writes that a hundred VT-4 tanks "will create parity on the border with India and allow farmers on both sides of the border to work peacefully on farmland. Something, it reminded me. From the Soviet information bureau. Yesterday at four in the morning, in the Amur valley, the Chinese side, consisting of 4 divisions, supported by tanks and artillery, crossed the Soviet-Chinese border and attacked a peaceful Soviet tractor.The tractor repulsed the treacherous attack with heavy rocket and machine gun fire, shooting down 8 aircraft, destroying 30 tanks and up to 1000 units of enemy manpower. After that, turning on the cruise engines, disappeared into near-earth space. The tractor driver feels good. The flight is going well. The chairman of the collective farm, Colonel General DF Ustinov warns that if the incident repeats, then seeders, winnowing machines, threshers and harvester with vertical take-off and landing, as well as with exhaust gases such as sarin and zoran.
Peaceful Soviet tractor

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Canecat

You see ... Abrams are not ready for a maneuvering battle. They landed, came and stood ... here are the tactics of the US Army at the moment. But they realized the flaw of this tactic, so they drew attention to light tanks weighing up to 35 tons. They are already preparing to conduct maneuver combat operations as part of tank units. And for this we need a scope in the territory ... where is such a territory to be recalled?

Remind esche about tanks. Guderian and cuirassier of Napoleon

[Viktor Sergeev]

If Pakistan wants to get breaking tanks, consuming fuel like Abrams, a degraded copy of the T90, then the flag is in his hands. The main thing for this miracle is not to engage in real battles.

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

gnawing fuel like Abrams

Isn't it dill 6td, or are German MTUs standing there? Or do the Chinese put theirs, with an expense like that of Abrams?

[KARAKURT15]

Quote: Tusv

Hindus on t-90 is anti-advertising

So they in the exercises almost all of their T-90 trunks torn. What and how they scorch, only they themselves know. Initiators Mlyn ..