There is something wrong with our education system: even glamor has already begun to suspect

Today, millions of people consider themselves specialists in pandemics and everything connected with them. The information wave is caught, of course, by representatives of the blogosphere. Moreover, even those whose blog topics usually came down to a discussion of "celebrity" - the life of stars and the scandals associated with it.

However, some publications are of interest to the public, despite the fact that the person who leads the Internet broadcast, it is difficult to call a professional in this topic. Interest is in the opinion expressed by people on the subject of what is happening.

One of those bloggers who decided to devote the plot to the modern state of education - in conditions of self-isolation, was Katya Gordon. In her material, she criticizes the system, which they decided to call remote, digital education. In her opinion, behind such a system are not representatives of the sphere of science and education, but those who pursue completely different goals. The video repeatedly sounds the name of German Gref. The blogger believes that it is he who stands behind the actions to introduce those methods in education that are being demonstrated today. The author cites Gref's words that he is not enthusiastic about physical education schools, and that it is more important for students to give not knowledge, but skills.

By the way, today the Minister of Education of Russia, based on the experience of teaching his own daughter, stated that the country's schools were not ready for the transition to distance learning. It turns out that something is wrong with the education system itself, although they may now try to write it off to force majeure.

One of the comments:

Glamor comes to life. With awakening ...

Comments

[stalki]

With our education, really a lot is wrong, but only the Gordon is a clean, West-oriented appositionist, somehow we can figure it out without it. I saw this video a week ago. Women overheard her and rushed into panic. Well, as always.

P.S. It’s especially useful to read her biography.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: stalki

P.S. It’s especially useful to read her biography.

I will not watch her biography, I am not interested in her, but there is a large share of truth in her words. And, under the current conditions, we will not change anything without changing the power itself.

[Machito]

As part of the government’s self-liquidation of the population, the digitalization of children's education will allow for the dibilization of future consumers.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And, under the current conditions, we will not change anything without changing the power itself.

This is the most important question and only it needs to be addressed, the rest is from the evil one.

[bk316]

but a great deal of truth is present in her words.

No truth at all. Do you even listen to the video. Just the drunken delirium of a liberal. I do not like Gref, but he’s not at all here. It’s really as if she got smoked.

If we talk about this seriously, we can start. Waiting for statements. Because in the video they simply are not.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: bk316

Speaking seriously about this, we can start

If you do not pay attention to her narcissism, to the construction of phrases, intonation, etc., then you will agree that there are problems in public education and this is the truth. And she designated her. Gref mentioned in the video is a significant and, for the people as a whole, negative figure. And that too is the truth. She indicated that. It is clear that she did not go further and did not indicate the causes of problems in education and the presence of such characters in power as Gref.
That is why I say that in order to rectify the situation, it is necessary to change the power, and it must be changed only because this power, and Gref, as its particle, will not change the basic goal-setting of the power.
And the main goal-setting of the authorities, in my amateurish opinion, is the increase and, spiritual and physical healing of the people. And this is impossible without universal public education, given our climatic zones and territories.
I will not describe to you the relationship between education, the economy, defense, etc., etc., etc. You already know this without me.
And, further, pointing to Matvienko’s proposal to legitimize distance education, that it is very dangerous for PEOPLE’s education, she, pointing to this danger, proclaimed the truth. All this in my amateurish opinion. I will be pleased to get your opinion on this matter.

[bk316]

there are problems in public education and this is the truth.

There is. But she doesn’t call them. Just because she doesn’t need it, she needs a hype. She’s a blocher, she earns on this. And for you as an amateur I inform you: distance education has long been legalized. So this is rotten hype - hype without an info line.

Now if you want my opinion.

The main reason for what is happening with education now is the same as with many others. Namely, AUTHORITY, STATE, SOCIETY, TRADE COMMUNITY on the issue of public education (note I am not talking about higher education - there are other problems) are in the position of a slightly pregnant girl. They cannot formulate the main thing, namely the main task of public education. From a management point of view, it’s just crazy to build processes without a goal. Do you understand? Misfortune is not a bad goal. Misfortune is its absence. There is nothing to measure the quality of education for the quality of the process is the achievement of the goal. It is not clear what and how to teach, you can do anything or not do anything, but simply imitate activity.
And yes, this is the prerogative of the president. You just have to take courage and say. Let it be the formation of a qualified consumer, since we are building capitalism. Or the education of a member of a highly spiritual community, if we recall the scrapie. Or that it is also possible just to prepare for the second stage of education. Yes, even if your wording about health is the same.
But this is not, different Gordon ladies write about the harm of distance, but how can one write about harm or benefit if the goal is not defined? You are being stupidly bred distracting from the essence of the issue, as is customary for trolls and other bots ... And you are being fooled No, of course, intuitively, everyone understands that something is wrong. But the lightning rods are slipping into you in the form of the Unified State Examination, experimental training programs, distance programs and everyone is safely hammering into these lightning rods.

Now the question is who does this? And here it’s more and more difficult to easily say the power, only this is also a lightning rod. In fact, this is done by the part of society that is close to the trade union (for example, Gref, he is still a teacher in the past). I think I understand why this is done, there is simply no consensus on where to go to the country, so there is no goal of public education ...
We need a national leader who will formulate a national idea and lead people along, whom, in a word, is someone with a carrot and someone with a whip.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: bk316

But she doesn’t call them.

Have you expected analytics from her? You are too demanding of her and, or, perhaps, a little offended by her fame in some circles.

Quote: bk316

From a management point of view, it’s just crazy to build processes without a goal.

Yes, who would argue.

Quote: bk316

There is nothing to measure the quality of education

?????

Quote: bk316

Let it be the formation of a qualified consumer,

Are you sure that Russia needs this?

Quote: bk316

Or that it is also possible just to prepare for the second stage of education.

Exactly. The school should let out, but superficially, but an erudite, if I may say so, person. Those. give superficial, deeper, it simply won’t work out knowledge in as large areas of knowledge as possible, which will help a young man choose his life path, teach him how to use scientific literature, the knowledge gained, and the ability to put it into practice.
And then, someone in the service sector, someone in vocational schools, someone in a university.

Quote: bk316

But you slip the lightning rods in the form of the exam,

I also believe that the exam is not the main trouble.

Quote: bk316

We need a national leader who will formulate a national idea and lead people along, whom, in a word, is someone with a carrot and someone with a whip.

Well, and I, speaking of the goal-setting of the authorities, didn’t I talk about this?
I wish you well.

[Plate]

but a great deal of truth is present in her words

And in her words, contradictions are directly protruding. Well, other statements are stupid.
And I agree with your opponent bk136. It is difficult to measure quality if there is nothing to measure.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Plate

And I agree with your opponent bk136. It is difficult to measure quality if there is nothing to measure.

A comparison can not be a measure of quality?

[Plate]

Comparison with another goal? Can. But what is our purpose?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Plate

Comparison with another goal? Can. But what is our purpose?

No. It's about education. There is a certain quality of education (Soviet), we add an increase in the quality that should have been over the past period and compare it with the current quality, and ... sadly give up.

[GDP]

Share of truth? Is there something wrong with our education? Yes, everything is wrong with him! I know this well because I work in it! Even the Ministry of Education realizes good ideas through ... a complete misunderstanding of the situation!
1. All educational institutions are required to provide students with literature, mainly electronic libraries, for which tens of thousands of educational institutions pay a lot of money. What for ?! After all, we have state digital libraries, why aren't our schools given access to them? After all, it’s billions of rubles stupidly flying away into the pipe! That is, in someone’s pockets ...
2. In Soviet times, the Ministry of Education did not weakly help teachers and educational institutions by issuing and publishing all kinds of methodological manuals on teaching various disciplines. This did not reduce the work of teachers very slightly and increased the effectiveness of training, and this was not limited to help. If you want to teach according to your own methods, you want to use someone’s best practices. Now there is no help from them, just a whip, endless paperwork and constant expenses, expenses, expenses such as a data encryption apparatus and other useless billiards, the means that we take away from children and teachers!
3. Now they have sat in a puddle with their Russian e-school and other resources and decided to shift the responsibility again to us and demand in two weeks each organization to create its own distance education system. It took me two years in Rostov to create and debug the work of this dirty trick! So they also put sticks in the wheels, forbidden to use Skype and zoom! Give them just stupid tests everywhere and everywhere!
4. Now we are obliged to conduct demo exams for all dozens of types of office supplies, and most of all, from the eraser to the trash can, we must attach a description of their devices! Something like "a pencil - consists of a wooden case made of pine 15 cm long in a hexagonal shape in cross-section and la blah blah ..." What the hell? "! What do we have nothing else to do /?
5. I recently had to send the next electronic report to the Ministry of Education, the document must indicate the expiration date of the UNLIMITED license of our college, but it doesn’t go, I called them and told me that I was stupid and everyone else guessed what date should be entered there - 1907 !!!! ! 1907 !!! Charles!!!!

You know, I could write another dozen three points from what is wrong with our minobrom, but I just have no time, I need to work, the next report is ... write!
Therefore, I have only one question - Am I so smart or in our ministry of education everyone is so stupid ?!

[Terenin]

Well, all right, Gref has no pedagogical education, but when he announced himself, quote:

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admitted that he suffers from "schizophrenia, like any leader of a large company."

I believe that under his "patronage" the Russian education will definitely be covered with "copper ... gref!"

[bk316]

Well, all right, Gref has no pedagogical education,

Gref does not, but he worked as a teacher at Tomsk University.
Gordon does have one, but she did not work as a teacher. And by the way, the specialty is a social worker.
Who is better versed in education?

[Terenin]

Quote: bk316

Gref doesn't have

That's about Gref, I have infa, but mostly - negative ...

Quote: bk316

And Gordon has

Ah, here about Gordon, no matter how hard I try ... I can’t remember no info
Judging by Vicki, this is "three times Hero of the Soviet Union" .
By the way, really, who is it?

[Alexander Sosnitsky]

It seems to me purely female. The man in the distance is sex shop. But seriously, a person is motivation, but it is physical. Without energy contact, only artificial intelligence can learn, and people are animals and they need mutual nervous vibration, not 0 and 1. Someone really wants to destroy us.

[iouris]

Quote: stalki

There really is a lot wrong with our education

This is yes.
1)

Quote: stalki

positioner

- Oppositionist
2)

Quote: stalki

P.S.

- PS or post scriptum _ "after writing"

[stalki]

This is yes.
1)
Quote: stalki
positioner
- Oppositionist
2)
Quote: stalki
P.S.
- PS or post scriptum _ "after writing"

Agree it happens not like that. And at the expense of ps That's really lazy to switch the layout on smart, on the drum.

[Barmaleyka]

everyone is talking about this and not the first year, but things are still there
for the sake of interest I looked at examples of the Unified State Exam in mathematics base, sorry for the underdeveloped and not for high school graduates

[210ox]

What does force majeure have to do with it? The school just turned into a lecture hall. About the quality of textbooks generally keep quiet.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: 210ox

What does force majeure have to do with it?

I don’t know, what does force majeure have to do with it?

[military_cat]

Quote: Barmaleyka

I looked at examples of the exam in the mathematics base, I'm sorry for the underdeveloped

Why are you looking at the "base"? This is for the underdeveloped, who also have to be assessed somehow (and even in your class, without any USE, there were "oaks", which were just the "base" level and pulled at the best). See the "profile" for normal people.

[blackice]

Only our generation was also able to work with their hands, and the current one is entirely a cell phone dealer. And that is a fact.
Even if you graduate from a university and become some kind of, even the smallest, boss, there is still no sense in the generation of the Unified State Exam. They cannot "steer" either. Exceptionally dumb ambition.

[military_cat]

"Driving" is now a generation with the best Soviet education in the world. The rest are only performers, and they are selected not on the basis of competence, but on the principle of loyalty.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: military_cat

"Driving" is now a generation with the best Soviet education in the world.

AND? If the "ruling" directors have an intention to destroy everything Soviet and bring education to Western "standards", then they are doing an excellent job on the basis of this best education in the world. The main thing is what goal you have set. Judging by the laws adopted by our government, they follow exactly in the footsteps of "Western civilization".

[military_cat]

If the Russian leadership is in the wake of the West, why did it return Crimea? The return of the Crimea contradicts any conceivable attitudes of the West.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: military_cat

If the Russian leadership is in the wake of the West, why did it return Crimea? The return of the Crimea contradicts any conceivable attitudes of the West.

What does it contradict? If you want to "solve" issues and your voice was heard among "equals", then Crimea fits into this postulate, despite all the sanctions. The US military base in Crimea would no longer provide such an opportunity.
Counterquestion. If the authorities are such land gatherers, then what does not add Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria and the LPR to the end? They have long been asking to be part of Russia. What, not "promising" territories that do not affect the strategic balance of power? Why did they give the Norwegians a piece of the sea? Purely for patriotic reasons?

[military_cat]

Quote: Sovetskiy

If you want to "resolve" issues

Here you attribute the presence of subjectivity to the authorities of the Russian Federation.

they follow exactly in the footsteps of "Western civilization".

Here you attribute to the authorities of the Russian Federation the lack of subjectivity.

Please decide between these two options, because I cannot understand what point of view you hold.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: military_cat

Please decide between these two options, because I cannot understand what point of view you hold.

As part of the integration into the global capitalist system, it is no secret that since the time of the Tagged One, we have lost this very "subjectivity". At the moment, within the framework of the same system, without changing the development guidelines, the authorities are making attempts to return "subjectivity" in order to take a place equal to partners from the "brotherly" capitalist countries of the "civilized" world. Not long ago the slogan that sounded as a reference point: "United Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok" says something about? Or do you think that the same education system should be different in a "single" economic and political space? Is this why the Bologna education system was introduced in our country instead of the Soviet one? We carried out de-industrialization as part of integration into the global system. They brought in "compliance" with the recommendations of the IMF social services in the face of the same medicine and retirement age. So where did you find the contradictions in subjectivity?

[military_cat]

Why should the principles of the education system be respected in order to be integrated into the "unified system of political space", while the principles of behavior in a situation that is considered international aggression may not be respected, and that's okay? It is very strange and implausible to consider the former more important for integration into a "single system of political space" than the latter.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: military_cat

It is very strange and improbable to consider the former more significant for integration into the "unified system of political space"

In general, I am opposed to "embedding", if anything, especially when for "embedding" they are destroying the country and breaking the social order through the knee, imposing "global" values ​​on the population.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: military_cat

Why are you looking at the "base"? This is for the underdeveloped

and then that with the old exams there was no base

Quote: military_cat

and even in your class, without any USE, there were "oaks", which were just the level of "base" and pulled at the best

I graduated from fizmat school

Quote: military_cat

See "profile", there for normal people.

once again there were separate schools for the underdeveloped and NORMAL CHILDREN studied at the NORMAL SECONDARY SCHOOL

[military_cat]

Quote: Barmaleyka

I graduated from fizmat school

So, you are not too familiar with the realities of ordinary, normal high schools, even for your time.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: military_cat

Why are you looking at the "base"? This is for the underdeveloped, who also have to be assessed somehow (and even in your class, without any USE, there were "oaks", which were just the "base" level and pulled at the best). See the "profile" for normal people.

These, in your opinion, "not normal oaks", having passed the vocational school and having worked for some time in production, become PROFESSIONAL workers, without whom you personally, in life, cannot do without, despite all your "normality", as you cannot our industry can do without them.
Your "normality" prevented you from thinking before blurting out?

[Stena]

The question for this blogger is what is a curvimeter and how does it associate itself with it?
PS The problem is that in order to think of yourself as a strategist, you need to know the history of the issue, the content. patterns (trends) emerging, the results of scientific and technological progress, as well as the goals of the state. And when something at school or at the university - the main person - the student, then everything is turned upside down. For the student has neither responsibilities, nor deep knowledge in any area, but half-naughty mothers in high school who know better than a teacher what to do and how to teach. And accountants and managers in universities, who believe that if you overlap with pieces of paper (called regulations, schedules and other things), you can earn very good money. A teacher is a servant. Therefore, we will use the advice of the "time lord" all to the garden (in the sense) - to business.

[businessv]

The author cites Gref's words that he is not enthusiastic about physical education schools, and also that it is more important for students to give not knowledge, but skills.

The author has been very active lately, so you shouldn't discuss her pearls, but Gref is clearly a player not in our half! What do skills mean? To wear boots from young nails? In our education, everything is not so, an article about this will take a lot of time, but a small note, in my opinion, is very interesting! "The scandalous trial of 76-year-old swindler Invar Johnson, who developed and implemented in the 1980s a system for assessing the knowledge of schoolchildren, similar to the USE, has ended in the United States.
As it turned out, Johnson posed as an expert in education for many years, while he himself with difficulty graduated from high school in Arkansas. He registered the organizations “Association for the Evaluation of the Quality of Education” and the “Pedagogical Academy of Capital City”, and issued diplomas and certificates on his behalf. Then Johnson began to position himself as an expert - he went to schools with inspections and assigned them ratings, commented on the media and wrote several books. Seeing
Johnson’s popularity, some recognized experts began to write laudatory reviews of his books in order to remain in trend. Johnson’s knowledge assessment system described in one of his works was taken as a basis by the federal Ministry of Education in carrying out reforms. Over the years, it was borrowed by other countries, including Russia in the form of the Unified State Exam (USE).
The wrong thing in the USA was only suspected in the 2000s, when a number of independent examinations confirmed that the already deplorable education of Americans over the past years has noticeably worsened. During the investigation, it turned out that the author of the system actually graduated from the 8th grade of the school with low scores, and at first he issued all the letters and diplomas to himself.
“The damage Mr. Johnson inflicted on the US education system is not in the money. This is a real disaster, the consequences of which will affect not only the current generation, but also several future ones, ”said the judge, announcing the verdict.
Due to the fact that Johnson did not formally violate the law, posing as a specialist, he was convicted of "conducting a massive diversion in the education system of the United States of America", as well as for several light articles. Due to the age of the defendant, and since the defense proved that he had no anti-state intentions and pursued exclusively personal enrichment purposes, he was sentenced to 25 years of house arrest with payment of multi-million fines in parts, not
exceeding 30% of his monthly income.
Since 2012, the US has completely abolished the assessment system of knowledge introduced in the 1980s based on Johnson's books. Experts note that the new education system that has replaced it is in many ways reminiscent of the Soviet one, although this is not declared at the official level. "

[codetalker]

There is nothing bad in the exam itself, it is an inspired idea that criticism of the system is not consistent. It is important what and how they ask in that exam and what and how they teach 10 years before him. And there is nothing wrong with the fact that graduates are assessed according to common standards, and not according to the turbulent fantasies of each individual school / university.

[sabakina]

codetalker how is it? I wrote another dictation, what was in the neighboring school? And in the neighboring school there were fewer unknowns in the algebra exam? Think Before You Write! The tasks of the city / district were one for all schools!

[codetalker]

And where does the exam? The tasks of the city / district are very good. This form of control over the work of the school is not enough now. But the conversation was about the exam, which is essentially an entrance exam at the university. You did not know that in order to enter the top university in the last 10 years of the Soviet era, you had to study with a professor from this university for 1-2 years? For a "modest" reward, of course.

[sabakina]

Quote: codetalker

You did not know that in order to enter the top university in the last 10 years of the Soviet era, you had to study with a professor from this university for 1-2 years? For a "modest" reward, of course.

But lying is not good! And there have always been bribes. For they saw that it was possible to take good money from this "golden" stunner. The smart ones did without tutors. If you write about Moscow, then this is generally a rookery of rich sons.

[codetalker]

I am writing about Moscow. It so happened that in Moscow the concentration of advanced universities was always high. And unfortunately, even a very capable schoolchild (not a son) was not easy to do without special “help”. The Unified State Exam format has removed this question.

[pacific]

And you noticed that you yourself confirm that even the "golden" stunned to enter the university had to do (!) additionally.

[AU Ivanov.]

In general, the Unified State Exam destroyed the harmonious system of "preparatory courses" for horse money, the necessary tutors and other methods of collecting tribute from applicants.

[UA3QHP]

Preparatory courses for admission to the university. Guarantee.
Dad - chairman of the selection committee, son - conducts courses.
It is a very real fact from the late USSR.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: codetalker

You did not know that in order to enter the top university in the last 10 years of the Soviet era, you had to study with a professor from this university for 1-2 years? For a "modest" reward, of course.

Lies. It was in the 90s that crazy grandmas began to spin in education. Criminal authorities compared the circulation of funds in this system along with the arms and drug trade.

Quote: codetalker

even a very capable student (not son)

My housemate entered Moscow State University in the 80s without any help. Just because I studied well. And in the 90s, teachers began to take money for good grades from wealthy lobsters. A neighbor, a university teacher, he sometimes drew drawings. For money. Because the salary there turned out to be less than a month than a prostitute received during the night.

[AU Ivanov.]

At the beginning of the 80s, the professors of the Leningrad First Honey took 3 thousand for guaranteed entry.

[codetalker]

It is unfortunate that people have forgotten all this. I work at the University and I know how it all worked in the 70-80s.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: codetalker

It is unfortunate that people have forgotten all this. I work at the University and I know how it all worked in the 70-80s.

So you are a bribe taker?

Quote: AS Ivanov.

At the beginning of the 80s, the professors of the Leningrad First Honey took 3 thousand for guaranteed entry.

Are you a bribe giver? Or was it your father’s father that she was guaranteed to do? That's really, curious. I’ve never paid teachers, unless I dropped out on cake and flowers on graduation. Moreover, they were celebrated with them.

[codetalker]

No, I'm not a bribe taker. But I have colleagues. There were (now no longer, TC Unified State Examination) "shooting" departments that were involved in the "preparatory" activities. Remember, the Soviet Union began to die immediately after the death of Stalin. Simply, during this period such potential was developed that ensured a breakthrough development in the 60's.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: codetalker

No, I'm not a bribe taker. But I have colleagues.

I am sure that Ivanov will answer that he is not a bribe-giver, but he has colleagues or acquaintances who paid money for a guaranteed receipt. As you do not want to be treated by such "specialists". Is your mind not enough, and you have to get to the "bread" place at any cost? By their actions, your colleagues and those who deposit money are simply destroying the state, appointing various buyers of diplomas and grades to responsible posts.

[codetalker]

Well, not so everything just worked. Gave - entered. It was also, but for the "special." And it worked in large numbers in this way: entrance tests were organized so that those who worked with university employees passed. And the rest are not. Of course, there were exceptions, at least 10% always came by their own efforts. And the USE itself blocked this opportunity. Yes, there are complaints about the quality of tasks in the exam. As well as the quality of school education itself. So you have to talk about it! And do not retype the mantra about “abolish the USE”. The tasks will remain the same idiotic, and the bribery system will return.

[blackice]

Just do not lie!
In the USSR, there was confiscation for a bribe. And anonymous letters were practiced only on the road!
If you knew bribe-takers, then why didn't you write "where to"?
I studied and didn’t pay a penny to anyone, although at school there weren’t enough stars from the sky.

[AU Ivanov.]

Pff. You do not seem to be familiar with Soviet realities. Bribes were everywhere. Buying a furniture set out of turn, buying a car, entering a prestigious university, high-quality treatment in a good clinic. All this was unthinkable without a bribe.

[blackice]

Pff. You do not seem to be familiar with Soviet realities. Bribes were everywhere.

Well, of course!!!!
As a person born and working in the USSR, Soviet realities were not known to me.
In the USSR, I did not give a ruble to anyone. However, he was unlearned and then worked normally.
Moreover, he did not die in the hospital, waiting for "your paid doctor."
My wife and daughter flew to the resorts every year, as the daughter had a health problem. There were no loans. The apartment is from the state. And not a ruble of bribes has not been paid.

[Amateur]

A friend of mine (now also a pensioner) worked in a very decent university as the head of the department. The rector was replaced and the new one imposed a monthly tribute on all the head of the department. A friend went to the rector and said: "I myself never took bribes and did not allow my teachers. Therefore, either release me from the head of the department, or from tribute." The rector thought and replied: "I release you from tribute. But I will say with a clear conscience. That in our university they do not take bribes. Only sometimes and not all."
The story is 100% genuine and took place in 2000.

[AU Ivanov.]

My mother-in-law taught at First Honey. A very packaged woman was, at that time.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: codetalker

It is important what and how they ask in that exam and what and how they teach 10 years before him.

just the principle of the exam and determine the principle of preparation

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: codetalker

that graduates are evaluated according to uniform standards, and not according to the turbulent fantasies of each individual school / university, there is nothing wrong.

you will probably be surprised, but with the union you just taught and evaluated textbooks and the program according to common standards, moving from Tashkent to Moscow you would have studied according to the same system and the same problem books

[codetalker]

This does not surprise me at all, I know it very well. And the exam format is built on this principle. It must be saved. Claims may be to quality control material.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: codetalker

And the exam format is built on this principle.

the format is just built on a different principle
https://yandex.ru/tutor/subject/tag/problems/?ege_number_id=74&tag_id=1
Do you really think this is normal? !!!!
I repeat once again this is the school level for the mentally retarded and not for high school graduates

ps there is another nuance that everyone forgot about is the rules for designing and solving problems that are not used at all in the case of the test, as a result, an absolute inability to correctly set tasks by highlighting

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

this is a school level for the mentally retarded and not for high school graduates

Have you ever tried to solve the Unified State Exam in, say, mematics or physics?

Try it, there are tests on the internet. I guarantee - you will be surprised and the nonsense a la above you will not write anymore.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Have you ever tried to solve the Unified State Exam in, say, mematics or physics?

Roman, the matter is not only in the decisions of the Unified State Examination, but also in the fact that the future student sends out his notes to the mass of educational institutions on the principle that he will not go there, I will go to another. DAM called it an achievement, but personally I think this is complete nonsense. As a result, universities are inundated with documents for admission, but in reality, several times fewer people come. And how do the admissions committees figure out which of them will come to study and which will not? Which of them really passed, and who bought the grades?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mordvin 3

it’s not only the decisions of the exam

It was about the strengths and weaknesses of the exam as a system for assessing the knowledge of a graduate. Personally, I think that there is nothing wrong with the idea itself. Bring it to mind - yes, it is necessary.

About

Quote: Mordvin 3

sends its marks to the mass of educational institutions on the principle that it won’t go there, I’ll go to another

- this is solved purely technically, something like a centralized database, where the number of the Certificate on the results of the exam when receiving documents is stupidly entered.

If he already have in the database - the university stupidly does not accept documents. And that’s all.

That's something like

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Golovan Jack

If it is already in the database - the university stupidly does not accept it. And that’s all.

That's something like

Perhaps I don't know all the nuances, I won't argue. But I read Tom Wolfe, where he writes that in some American schools, teachers don't even know if a child can read? No matter how we get to this. This is in my opinion "Bonfires of Ambition", a work of 2003, but I don't remember exactly. He also has a great work about American education, "I Am Charlotte Simmons." Darkness. Everything revolves around money.

[Barmaleyka]

be surprised but tried, and yes I don’t need to talk about stupid things, I graduated first from the physical education school and then from the university physics department

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

I graduated first from the Physics and Mathematics School and after the Physics Department of the University

Yes, here I was really surprised ...

Then, perhaps, you just have slightly exaggerated exam requirements? Not all the same, after all, they are supervised by such super-training as you.

The exam (in theory) is good because it negates the subjectivity of assessing the knowledge of the graduate. Different examiners are different requirements, in addition, the same examiner may have a completely different attitude to different graduates ... the test eliminates this to zero. And this, whatever you say, is a plus.

The test may not be well written. This does not mean that you need to cancel the system, it means that you need to improve the tests. In the end, the same tasks from Scanavi are also ... tests, anyway.

All IMHO, naturally

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

the test levels this to zero.

yes, yes, it’s just about that, and they claimed only somehow it didn’t work out

[bk316]

University Physics Department

Moscow State University?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: bk316

University Physics Department

Moscow State University?

Uryupinsk, the campaign. Colleague, drop it: people stupidly troll. In another way, he simply does not know how.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Uryupinsk, the campaign. Colleague, drop it: people stupidly troll.

your rudeness is already a well-known fact, you do not need to prove it once again

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: bk316

Moscow State University?

Kazakh State University

[codetalker]

But this is not an event format. Its format is that final school and entrance university exams are combined into one event, and all students pass the SAME exam test. I do not see anything wrong with this format.
And you have a claim to the quality of the control and measuring material (to tasks). Correctly! They must be brought into a divine form. But this does not mean that it is necessary to abolish the exam format. What will change? Children will receive the same dumb tasks, only in the form of examination tickets in schools.

[Sniper Amateur]

Do you really not understand that the difference between the Unified State Exam and other ZNO - and the classic exam - is not only (and not even so much) that the "classic" exam is passed in a decentralized manner?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: codetalker

and all schoolchildren pass the SAME exam test

and before it was different?

[codetalker]

Yes of course! At graduation school, this was not so pronounced, but at the entrance to universities ... every university did what it wanted and how it wanted.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: codetalker

every university did what it wanted and how it wanted.

here you are deeply mistaken, now it’s every man’s own master, and before, there were clear rules

[bk316]

here you are deeply mistaken

Yes no THIS YOU ARE MISTAKING. After your statement, I strongly doubt that you studied at the physics department. Not just every university, but every faculty of every university.
Personally, I think this is not bad.

[avg]

One of the grandchildren moves to grade 5. It turns out that it is already necessary to choose "your life path." He wants to go to mathematics, but it turns out he has to go there. Now preparing, tk. they will have to take what they have not yet studied, and they go to grade 5 not to another school, but to their own.

[Avior]

https://panorama.pub/8142-amerikanskogo-analoga-ege.html

The author of the American analogue of the exam was convicted of sabotage in the education system

And at the end

Satirical edition "Panorama". All texts on this web resource are grotesque parodies of reality and are not real news.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Avior

Satirical edition Panorama

Local "critics of everything and everyone" in my memory have already been pierced ten times by the fact that they took what "Panorama" wrote for the truth. Well, people really want it to be that way

[Avior]

There is such information
https://baigenews.kz/news/v_mon_rk_soobshchili_o_feikovoi_rassilke_o_ent/

[military_cat]

Quote: businessv

In the United States, the scandalous trial of 76-year-old swindler Invar Johnson ended, which developed and implemented in the 1980s a system for assessing the knowledge of schoolchildren, similar to the Unified State Examination.

Respected businessv! Here you, for example, are not at all a victim of the USE and, perhaps, you even have the best Soviet education in the world, but now you could not distinguish a comic text from the Internet from real news.

Satirical edition "Panorama". All texts on this web resource are grotesque parodies of reality and are not real news.

[codetalker]

No wonder that much is wrong with him. The Medvedev company for many years deliberately ruined him. And there is a lot to work on its development. But we will succeed! Until then, the lack of education should be compensated by self-education.

[rocket757]

Excellent training and education systems were created, but, they have not been used before, are not used now, they are unlikely to be used later.
It is not worth expecting that a society geared towards consumption will want to educate someone else, not a consumer - a layman. Now the problem with the true literacy of the masses is manifested in all its glory! About culture and say no.
All this is sad and dangerous.

[sabakina]

Vitya, as I recall right now, I wrote spurs for exams in small handwriting. I didn’t know a radish, but as someone said, the last phrase is remembered. It was like Stirlitz.

[grandfather_Kostya]

for exams I wrote spurs

It is very important to write spurs yourself! I also wrote and then did not look at them; there was no need.

[rocket757]

Quote: sabakina

I wrote spurs, in small handwriting.

A great method of accelerated training in any subject !!! You take tickets and cook with your own hands, if not spurs, then a combined abstract! Of course, a basis on the subject, you must have !!! An empty head and spurs did not help, it is a fact.

Quote: grandfather_Kostya

It is very important to write spurs yourself!

This is the most important thing, you write it yourself!
If the head is empty, nothing helps ....

[axay032]

We have a history teacher if I found a spur that was intelligently written, of course I took it, but at least 3 were provided, for the trouble. And if you can also answer something by the ticket, then 4

[avg]

In the late 70's, my wife worked in a d / s music worker, they were so tired of delegations from the socialist countries. camps and Scandinavians who came to learn from the experience. Because there was pedagogy, and not the provision of services in the field of education.

[knn54]

In one of his interviews, Gref said: "I consider evaluations to be one of the vestiges that discourage children and develop fear in them."
As the fabulist Krylov said: "The trouble is, if the shoemaker starts the baking of the pies, And the cake-maker will wear the boots."
And SO, not only with education.

[Alex Nevs]

Yes, how much you can do the same thing. There will be no education under the capsystem - money is at stake. ALL! Refine previously trained and deadlock. It will remain to redeem, and there is competition (for the loot). And not the fact that they will be "run over by the bank" (card).

[Prisoner]

Yes, alright! As one interesting comrade wrote: "There is no such crime, which would not have gone capital for the sake of 300% of the profit." And in the modern world, minds bring profit. The production is extremely high technology. They will teach, at least some will be taught well.

[businessv]

Quote: Captive

They will teach, at least some will be taught well.

What is it like? Selective training for the gifted? No, colleague, that will not be so. For the capture of especially gifted comrades, there is a selection system that has long been working with stripes. Under the student exchange program, in the countries of Europe, the selection of senior children who speak English, who perceive education well, is carried out. They are assigned to American families, usually the middle class and without their own children, for a year of study, after which they go home, but in every possible way they try to go back and the states are doing everything to make it work out for them. I know firsthand that my friends from Ukraine have recently visited my son, so now they don’t know what to do with it - depresnyak and the desire to finish the last class and topple as soon as possible!

[Prisoner]

Every blogger Pestalozzi, every gopher agronomist.

[Pvi1206]

I completely agree with the author ... look at the root ... They want to drive us into a digital concentration camp under the guise of a pandemic, where any of our movements and statements will be known ... control will be absolute and in everything ... all this was predicted back in Bibles ... the kingdom of Antichrist is approaching ...

[businessv]

Quote: Pvi1206

all this was predicted back in the Bible ... the kingdom of Antichrist is approaching ...

The kingdom of antichrist, or the era of Kali Yuga, according to Hinduism, has long been here, unfortunately.

[Lara Croft]

Logically arguing, if the combination of medical facilities and / or their reduction has led to the fact that today we are ahead of China in terms of coronavirus cases, then why the combination of educational institutions and / or their reduction should give a positive result in the field of education in the Russian Federation ....
The results of the activities of certain sectoral ministers (not bearing any responsibility for their activities / inaction, including legal ones) will not soon bear "fruit" in full, but although the ROSCOSMOS missiles take off, they often fall long afterwards. ...
Soviet teachers and teachers have already retired from educational institutions, it remains to wait for the departure of their students who were educated under the USSR and then we can state death or to whom Russian education ....

[gvozdan]

Where the wind blows
There and the clouds.
It flows along the channel
Obedient river.

But you are a man, you are strong and courageous.
With your own hands, do your fate
Go against the wind, do not stand still!
Understand that there is no easy road.

Where the rails were laid
There are trains.
Where the shepherd will drive
Herds wander there.

Dedicated to everyone who is not satisfied with the system

[Maks1995]

And, somewhere I came across an article about 4 years ago, there were given family ties of officials from education and the banking sector. Impressed. This is one mafia.

They say this for about 15 years. And ???
Never mind. Everything is in power. Money doesn't smell.

[Doctor]

Already wrote more than once, I repeat again.
Do not confuse education (the curriculum) and the knowledge assessment system (USE or Soviet oral exam).

USE with all its shortcomings OBJECTIVE assessment of knowledge.

An oral or written exam with a teacher similar to the Soviet SUBJECTIVE assessment of knowledge, and examiners can be bought.

All these glamorous moans of our beau monde about the Unified State Examination are connected with the fact that they cannot BUY the exam, and they are very unusual for this.

[alone]

Do you know why it is so bad with education? Because a large number of educated people now
poses the greatest danger to a horde of officials ... That's why schools are closed by the thousands ... but now it’s fashionable to build and allocate huge amounts of money to churches, mosques .. So that religious figures sitting there, far from God, spread their obscurantism to the masses .. the more illiterate, the more likely to lie and steal !!!

[Avior]

schools of the country were not ready to switch to distance learning

but should have been ready? these are two different educational systems, one or the other.
the teaching methodology is completely different, a completely different feedback system from student to teacher, control of the discipline of education, student motivation, control of knowledge - everything is completely different.
No wonder they're not ready.

[pepel]

Considering who oversees our education, you should not expect anything good.

[veritas]

An educated electorate does not need power, and the electorate itself will soon be optional. The governing capitalist class is important to govern. And managing an educated, well-read person is difficult and twofold difficult when the manager himself is not. Simply put, flawed managers want to have even more flawed subordinates.

[Tahtvjd2868]

The task of education is now not to be taught. And it’s elementary to take children and students so that they do not stagger through the streets! Who doesn’t understand this?

[New Year day]

Today, the Minister of Education of Russia, based on the experience of teaching his own daughter,

It would be better if ministers sent their children to hospitals with Covid-19, where they decided to send all 4-6 year students of medical universities. Certified doctors get sick and die, thousands of doctors sit at home and do not have the authority to call them to work (we have self-isolation) and the government decided to use students as "cannon fodder". Young people are planned to be thrown into the outbreak with practically no PPE, without insurance and guarantees for the health and life of the younger generation. "There is no money" for an emergency or an emergency, let us cuddle for free with students!

[Evgeny Rubtsov_2]

Off topic, but still.
Why in St. Petersburg did pensioners receive 50% of their pension in the month of April?

[bk316]

Gordon has nothing to do with education.
Gref, although he taught for a short time at a university, is generally not special either.
No one is going to transfer secondary education to distance learning.
This is just inept hype.
What is there to discuss?
Most of all I like the mention of this empty-headed blonde, the repeated mention of AI ....

[Brigadier]

Modern methods of education in Russia = debilitation of future generations!

Thanks to Yeltsin for this, doubly thanks to Putin.

[rotkiv04]

Putin is Elzin, but only sober

[Amateur]

One of those bloggers who decided to devote the plot to the modern state of education - in conditions of self-isolation, was Katya Gordon.

If there was no education, she would be indignant at this. If education went to Swahili, she would be outraged by this.
It’s not such a job — to be indignant at any occasion and even without reason.

[nikvic46]

The teacher about this type of teaching: “I am ten times more tired than in regular teaching. And most importantly, there is no contact, which exists in the classroom.

[Shuttle]

By the way, today the Minister of Education of Russia, based on the experience of teaching his own daughter, stated ...

Don't you find this logic strange?
And if it were like this?

By the way, today the Minister of Industry and Trade of Russia, based on the experience of communicating with his own screwdriver, stated ...
By the way, today the Minister of Health of Russia, based on the experience of communication with his attending physician, stated ...
By the way, today the Minister of Culture of Russia, based on his own experience of visiting the toilet, stated ...

[Shelest2000]

The author cites Gref's words that he is not enthusiastic about physical education schools, and also that it is more important for students to give not knowledge, but skills.

From the point of view of the authorities, the ideal citizen should be stupid, stupid (hello USE and educational reform), be afraid of everyone and everything from the authorities - officials, policemen, judges (hello from Khakhaleva!), Bandits and black ... Putin's infantry from Chechnya (ha! He will stop being afraid of them - he will also open his mouth for power !!!), unarmed (for he doesn't care! Look, our policemen will come themselves, describe them, circle them with chalk). And most importantly - God-fearing! "For all power is from God!" ©

[Jarserge]

And what could have been normal with a dumb ape with a Western defective model of education?

[Simon]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: stalki

P.S. It’s especially useful to read her biography.

I will not watch her biography, I am not interested in her, but there is a large share of truth in her words. And, under the current conditions, we will not change anything without changing the power itself.

There is a good Russian proverb - “You don’t change horses at the crossing”!

[Chaldon48]

In Soviet times, they taught, and now the schoolchildren are trained like dogs, and it’s good if the driver is a smart and knowledgeable person.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

Distance learning is a parody of education, no matter how arrogant and pathetic words may be used to justify it. It seemed that there was nowhere to fall below the exam, but it turned out that there is where.

[rotkiv04]

The main thing is that the Kremlin and its inhabitants come to their senses

[Goldmitro]

The author cites Gref's words that he is not enthusiastic about physical education schools, and also that it is more important for students to give not knowledge, but skills.

It’s not clear what the fuck Gaidar's accomplice creeps into education? Enough for us to release USEshnyh an ignoramus with skills who believe that Stalin should not have repressed Generalisimus Suvorov (from Mikhalkov). Is it not time to ask all this liberal shushara, who has done so many tricks in all areas of the country's life? Already arrived!

[UA3QHP]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I’m sure that Ivanov will answer that he’s not a bribe giver.

Do you think that he wants to get an article for himself?

[Departure]

Ahah, yes, they also dumped this video Gordon into the mobile phone. Fully pro-Kremlin, 110%. Psychologists did a little work on him, so he drove homemakers, but funny, you can laugh heartily

[nikolaj1703]

Education should educate the creator, creator, now preparing a lousy consumer. And tomorrow, whoever will live in Russia, whom we will leave the country to, becomes terribly stupid from the stupidity of the rulers;

[Ru_Na]

Well, what did you want, we adopted the Western education system, and it implies that only the ruling elite will receive a good education, education is unnecessary for the crowd, you cannot manage an educated crowd, but please, an uneducated one!
PS We still have a chance to fix everything, but for this we need the political will of the country's leadership!

[Moore]

The author cites Gref's words that he is not enthusiastic about physical education schools, and also that it is more important for students to give not knowledge, but skills.

Better yet, instincts. Preferably primitive.
Gref was ugly and went in his cynicism. Another Chubais ...

[ism_ek]

He graduated from the Physics and Mathematics School in the USSR. There they gave not knowledge, but rather skills. Skills to solve problems from the task book. Then there was a physics and technology department in Dolgoprudny, which I graduated with honors. There they also solved problems, but already those that the teacher came up with, he is the author of the problem book. There, too, no one gave special knowledge. For example, I began to understand the essence of quantum mechanics about fifteen years after graduation, already working in a completely different field, unfortunately.
So there is a sound grain in Gref’s words.
Believe me, if the same Physicotechnical Institute gave students really knowledge, we would have received energy long ago with the help of "fusion".