Hong Kong Press: Do you know what “epidemic” in China killed 843 thousand people in 2017?

The Hong Kong edition of the South China Morning Post published material by columnist Eric Chung, which presents data on the “undetected” diseases in the world as a whole and in China. At least, those who are paid much less attention than the new coronavirus, despite the fact that these diseases take a huge number of human lives annually.

Eric Chung:

Do you know what growing “epidemic” in China killed 843 thousand people in 2017 alone? This is diabetes. Today, 114 million people suffer from it in China, of which only about 39% know for sure their diagnosis.

The author of the article writes that today everyone is absorbed in information about COVID-19. All experts express hope for the localization of the disease, for a successful vaccine search. But if in China, according to official figures, 4642 people died from the new coronavirus, then two times more people die from diabetes and the complications associated with it in China every year. Data from the International Diabetes Fund is provided, which states that by 2045 in China, the number of people with this diagnosis will reach 183 million people.

The article notes that the problem of diabetes must be addressed, otherwise it will become crucial for China. Hua Medicine reports that the solution to the problem is related to the release of antidiabetic drugs. Their market in China today is gigantic - more than $ 8,25 billion per year. It is expected that by 2028 it will grow three times!

Dr. Lee Cheng's statement is quoted:

We have been looking for an effective diabetes medicine since the 1990s. And scientists are already close to making a breakthrough in this area. Our technologies include pancreas transplantation and stem cell use.

The material, apparently, is intended to actualize the question that in addition to coronavirus in the world there are a large number of no less (or even more) dangerous diseases in terms of mortality.

Comments

[The Siberian barber]

Indeed, in recent times, all diseases are "defeated", except for one
Turn on the iron, and there the coronavirus, turn on the coffee machine, again he ...
And the self-insulating booze is reminiscent of another company. Shops open in the city, traffic on the roads, as if nothing was happening

[The Siberian barber]

Somehow I caught chips in the eye, I had to roll right to the other end of the city so that the doctor would clean it. Everything is closed, no reception. Everything is dedicated only to him.

[Yuyuka]

this is not the worst thing that is closed, the worst thing is that doctors and hospitals will be reprofiled ...

[Doccor18]

"Do you know what a growing 'epidemic' in China killed 843 thousand people in 2017 alone? This is diabetes. Today, 114 million people in China suffer from it, of which only about 39% know exactly their diagnosis."
Strange saying. If 70 million people have diabetes and do not know about it. But the author is aware of this. That means 843 thousand people died from diabetes.
They die from the complications that diabetes causes, from concomitant diseases. The statement is doubtful, the author does not quite understand what he is writing about.

[Roman123567]

70 million people have diabetes and do not know about it. But the author is aware of this.

Nothing strange .. What's so strange here ??
Specifically, you may not know about some of your illness ..
But a hundred people tested .. at 10 they found some kind of byak .. but only 4 admitted that they knew about its presence in their body .. That's the result ..

That means 843 thousand people died from diabetes.
Dying of complications

With coronovirus, it’s like the same thing ... they die not from him, but from his complications .. So there is no difference in this regard ..
The difference is only in the final figures - in one case, 5 thousand died, in another - 843 thousand.
Every year from the influenza virus dies up to 650 thousand people .. and in all these cases - complete silence ..

The author simply describes the secret of the open door .. that all this hype has absolutely nothing to do with the pandemic / epidemic, but is inflated for completely different reasons ..

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Doccor18

"Do you know what a growing 'epidemic' in China killed 843 thousand people in 2017 alone? This is diabetes. Today, 114 million people in China suffer from it, of which only about 39% know exactly their diagnosis."
Strange saying. If 70 million people have diabetes and do not know about it. But the author is aware of this. That means 843 thousand people died from diabetes.
They die from the complications that diabetes causes, from concomitant diseases. The statement is doubtful, the author does not quite understand what he is writing about.

The Hong Kong author does not understand what he writes about. Confuses a finger with ... Compare infections with diabetes

[Simargl]

Quote: Vol4ara

The Hong Kong author does not understand what he writes about.

You do not understand what the letters are.
And the article contains an almost direct "hint" to the problem:

The material, apparently, is intended to actualize the question that in addition to coronavirus in the world there are a large number of no less (or even more) dangerous diseases in terms of mortality.

And more:

about the “unnoticed” in the world in general and China in particular diseases. At least, those who are paid much less attention than the new coronavirus, despite the fact that these diseases claim a huge number of human lives annually.

The word "diseases" means that you have not learned to read yet:

Quote: Vol4ara

Compare infections with diabetes

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Simargl

Quote: Vol4ara

The Hong Kong author does not understand what he writes about.

You do not understand what the letters are.
And the article contains an almost direct "hint" to the problem:

The material, apparently, is intended to actualize the question that in addition to coronavirus in the world there are a large number of no less (or even more) dangerous diseases in terms of mortality.

And more:

about the “unnoticed” in the world in general and China in particular diseases. At least, those who are paid much less attention than the new coronavirus, despite the fact that these diseases claim a huge number of human lives annually.

The word "diseases" means that you have not learned to read yet:

Quote: Vol4ara

Compare infections with diabetes

So I’m saying, the author is a complete ignoramus, to compare the infection with diabetes, I’d compare it with obesity ... This must be a moron.

[Simargl]

Quote: Vol4ara

So I’m saying, the author is a complete ignoramus, to compare the infection with diabetes, I would compare it with obesity ...

Hard case...
DISEASES.
The problem is that with us (we will leave China) not only the economy will collapse, but also statistics on critical diseases, including untreated diabetes.

Quote: Vol4ara

It must be a moron

To yourself you don’t think so. In vain.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Simargl

Quote: Vol4ara

So I’m saying, the author is a complete ignoramus, to compare the infection with diabetes, I would compare it with obesity ...

Hard case...
DISEASES.
The problem is that with us (we will leave China) not only the economy will collapse, but also statistics on critical diseases, including untreated diabetes.

Quote: Vol4ara

It must be a moron

To yourself you don’t think so. In vain.

Oh god, what are you talking about? What does diabetes statistics have to do with it? The author tried to write an article, but in the end he farted loudly into a puddle, as you did in the comments

[Simargl]

Yes, in vain ...

[rotmistr60]

In addition to coronavirus, there are a large number of no less (or even more) dangerous diseases in the world in terms of mortality.

And experts are well aware of this. But today, for some (?) Reasons, it’s the coronovirus that is trending, which eventually comes back not with the number of deaths, but with the fall of the economy of all countries and possibly a redistribution of not only economic, but also political space.

[novel66]

damn well diabetes is not contagious

[Rostislav]

Against the background of the hysteria of the coronovirus, people began to forget

that in addition to coronavirus, in the world there are a large number of no less (or even more) dangerous diseases in terms of mortality.

[A. Privalov]

Yesterday, I stumbled into the network on such a maxim, they say, in Russia only 5000 people a year die from alcohol surrogates, therefore, it’s not worth paying attention to some 500-600 dead from a coronovirus. They do not even change the overall picture of mortality statistics and nothing needs to be done, this is all the extra noise and only losses from it.
Such a nonsense just kills me. You can’t measure everything with money. The economy will gradually recover. It’s about people, about human lives! They should be preserved. This is the most important thing! Moreover, nothing special is needed for this - do not climb too much, avoid unnecessary contacts, wash your hands.

[The Siberian barber]

You can’t measure everything with money.

I absolutely agree with you!
But in the Russian Federation, with the coming to power of "accountants", everything is measured only through this prism, alas

[reservist]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

... with the coming to power of "accountants", everything is measured only through this prism ...

it is correct that you have accountants in brackets, since a real financial accountant, after assessing the costs of raising and educating an adult (count the taxpayer and the employee needed to create added value) and losses due to his "unplanned" loss to the economy, would come to the conclusion that this is not the case when it is profitable to save ...

[Doccor18]

There are common diseases that number in the tens of millions. For example, atherosclerosis, hypertension, which provoke the development of heart attacks and strokes. But this does not mean that other, even rare, diseases need to be started up on their own. It is necessary to treat and fight with any ailments. For this, doctors are taught from 7 to 9 years, unlike all other specialists in higher education.

[meandr51]

No one is against washing hands. No need for people to live and work to interfere. And measures should be taken primarily to those threats from which there are more victims. To diabetes, cancer, surrogate products, accidents, etc.
They grabbed the cove because it allows people to run into the full.

[Roman123567]

to those threats from which there are more victims

Gold words!!

[reservist]

Quote: meandr51

They grabbed the cove because it allows people to run into the full.

what is the purpose of "hitting"?

[meandr51]

Educational.

[reservist]

and what should educate?

[meandr51]

Wordless and all agree working cattle.

[reservist]

this can be achieved in less costly ways

[meandr51]

A moot point. In addition, options are possible:
1. The epidemic is random, but the reaction of the authorities is primarily aimed at cutting funds and as a pretext for working out control over the population and redistributing the market.
2. Dull zeal and imitation of the "civilized", not forgetting their interests.
In any case, the interests of the population are taken into account last. The opinion of the owners of the media is much more important. And the media in fact work for a potential adversary.

[reservist]

more like, without thinking too much, they began to try to copy some techniques from the "Chinese experience" of fighting the virus, or maybe it would be worth learning from the same Vietnamese ...

[Roman123567]

Such a nonsense just kills me. You can’t measure everything with money. The economy will gradually recover.

Strange you talk ..
If "pofigizm" kills you like that .. maybe you should give up cars ?? Do you know how much mortality is there per year ?? Much more than any viruses ..
Also prohibit airplanes .. After all, these are thousands of lives .. Well, you think that the economy of the whole world will slide into the ancient age .. but then we will be "non-fucking" and save thousands of lives ..
Still it is necessary to refuse electricity .. after all, many people die from electric shock ..
And houses explode from domestic gas .. And how many die from weapons ..))

Here we are talking about something completely different .. that you always have to feel sorry for life .. But do not distort it !!
And if some kind of thing does not really change the overall picture, and does not affect the statistics .. then where does this crazy panic come from !! That is the main question ..

[Glory1974]

If "pofigizm" kills you like that .. maybe you should give up cars ?? Do you know how much mortality is there per year ?? Much more than any viruses ..
Also prohibit airplanes .. After all, these are thousands of lives .. Well, you think that the economy of the whole world will slide into the ancient age .. but then we will be "non-fucking" and save thousands of lives ..
Still it is necessary to refuse electricity .. after all, many people die from electric shock ..
And houses explode from domestic gas .. And how many die from weapons ..))

If you do not deal with mortality from cars and aircraft, gas explosions, etc. the loss of population will roll over.
If you do not fight with coronavirus, mortality from road accidents will seem like children's toys. Therefore such attention is a pandemic. If everything is done right, there will be fewer deaths than from diabetes and other diseases. If not right, the sex of the country will die out.

[Roman123567]

If you do not fight mortality from cars and aircraft

If you do not fight with coronavirus

Therefore such attention is a pandemic.

All wrong..
The question is how to fight !!
In expediency .. including economic ..
Is humanity ready for the sake of thousands of lives to abandon a car or an airplane ?? The answer is no surface - NO ..
As if someone did not cry about the value of those lives, and that they are more expensive than any money ..

Therefore such attention pandemics.

Therefore, the conversation that attention to this is excessive .. For, it would be better to deal with accidents the same way .. the exhaust (the number of lives saved) would be an order of magnitude higher ..
Here, everything is simple .. where you can save more people - where 5000 are dying, or where hundreds of thousands are dying ?? Obviously, what is worth paying more attention to, and what less ..

If not right, the sex of the country will die out.

Well, these are some kind of fantasies that have begun, having nothing to do with reality ..
Every spring people get these viruses .. and they die ..
If there was something new here capable of destroying half the country, then 70% would not have traveled around the country to work and anywhere ..

It already dawned on the ridiculous .. you can go around Moscow with a pass, but you can’t go without a pass .. A type pass will not allow half of the country to die ..)) They arranged a circus, from the discharge - 2 fingers on my hand, and I won’t leave the others .. and speak after - well, it's better than nothing ..
That's exactly what we are doing now !! The sense of this is exactly zero ..
And how the virus has bred over the past few months, one hell knows .. it’s easier to eradicate ants on the planet than to destroy these bacteria ..
I think half the country has already been ill most likely ..

[Glory1974]

Is humanity ready for the sake of thousands of lives to abandon a car or an airplane ?? The answer is no surface - NO ..

However, they refused. Airplanes do not fly, they are at airports.

it would be better to deal with accidents the same way .. the exhaust (the number of saved lives) would be an order of magnitude higher ..
Here, everything is simple .. where you can save more people - where 5000 are dying, or where hundreds of thousands are dying ??

Don't you think that you are contradicting yourself? In the US, 40 die in traffic accidents for the whole year. From coronavirus died 000 per month. Where should efforts be directed?

If there was something new here that could destroy half the country, then 70% would not have traveled around the country to work and anywhere.

And there is. You can’t travel around the country, planes don’t fly, trains don’t run, where are the posts on the roads, etc.

Already it came to a laugh .. with a pass you can go around Moscow, but without a pass you can’t.

The point is that the government does not declare an emergency mode. Because when an emergency is announced, all expenses are borne by the government. And they made a move with a knight - all shifted to the people. That’s the whole story.

[reservist]

Quote: Roman123567

Every spring people get these viruses .. and they die ..

comparison of mortality this year and "every spring" ...

taken from here www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

with a pass you can go around Moscow, but without a pass you can’t

so, the authorities come up with measures to limit social contacts according to their abilities and capabilities ...

[meandr51]

There is an interesting table. From which it can be understood that in Sweden, where all shops and cafes are open and no one is fined, mortality has increased the least!

[reservist]

There are such considerations on this fact:
- many countries can envy the possibilities of the Swedish health care system ...
- the fact that no one is fined in Sweden does not mean that the Swedes do not comply with quarantine measures ... only this is not done "from under the stick" ...
- if they have a "queue" for hospitals, it will be like the British, quarantine measures will have to be tightened ...

[2 Level Advisor]

So it’s like that .. but you can’t get anywhere the lethality of the cove, and it still (looking at the countries where the epidemic took place and you just have to look at them) is not more than 3 percent .. and the statistics on flu for the past years up to 650 thousand deaths and it’s not nearly catching up .. Or are we now every spring / autumn when to introduce influenza pre-quarantine around the world? Well, in principle, we will save the lives of course, those who could die from the virus .. and save a lot .. the truth will die more from the other (hunger, crime, etc.) .. therefore, whoever wants, he can always leave for self-isolation in the spring / autumn, them right.

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

it is still the same (looking at the countries where the epidemic took place and only they need to be looked at) no more than 3 percent

China? They counted 1500 deaths and mortality became 6%.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

and statistics on flu over the past year to 650 thousand dead and not nearly catching up.

in the USA caught up. even coronavirus only infected a million

[tolmachiev51]

It is less necessary to look for the "fence" !!! The Italians began to work out "backwards" that is, lethality, almost at the level of natural. The task was to squeeze out the dough from the EU to fight the virus.

[reservist]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

... last year's statistics on influenza is up to 650 thousand dead and is not nearly catching up ...

650 thousand per year - this is 162 thousand per quarter
over the past quarter, about 200 thousand died from covid in the world ...
propose to score on this problem and wait for the end of the year?

[2 Level Advisor]

For what reason do you have the flu from spring-autumn seasonality spread evenly throughout the year?

[reservist]

the flu "wanders" from one earthly hemisphere to another ... so while it is still not over, one can make the assumption that on average around the planet it comes out like that ...
or tell me where you can look at statistics by month?

[2 Level Advisor]

Alexei, that’s why I wrote in the very first comment, what you need to look at the end of the year, you say the same thing now .. so we agreed

[reservist]

so far agreed only that the final data will be put in its place

and then our opinions diverged ...

Around the world, about 3,4% of reported cases of COVID-19 are fatal. In comparison, seasonal flu usually kills less than 1% of those infected.

(c) Tedros Gebreyesus, WHO Director-General
www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5e5e9fc19a79474e88d1a5db

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Roman123567

Strange you talk ..

Are we already on you? How nice of you ...

So, games with statistics do not lead to anything good. If you weren’t convinced by the video of strings of cars with coffins, morgues packed to capacity, refrigerators on the streets of New York and ice arenas turned into temporary storage of corpses, then I won’t convince you of any way, sorry.

Died last week from coronavirus - John McDaniel from Columbus, Ohio. It was the main "common man" of the United States and denier of the pandemic. He called the pandemic a "political trick" and the quarantine regime "nonsense."

"Are there really no people with eggs who can directly say: this COVID-19 is a propaganda ploy? Ask your friends and prove that I am wrong," he wrote on his blog on March 13.
Two days later, McDaniel called the governor's quarantine regime, which included the closure of bars and restaurants, "stupid."
"He has no authority on this. If you are paranoid and so afraid of getting sick, then stay at home. But do not force others to sit locked up. This madness must be stopped!"

McDaniel was as healthy as a bull, he recently turned 60. He was the first victim of COVID-19 in Marion County.

In a word, you had a completely unexpected opportunity - just without getting off your couch to save humanity. Help - honor and praise. If you do not wish, Lord grant you a judge.

[Roman123567]

So, games with statistics do not lead to anything good.

And to nothing bad ..
Moreover, these are not games, but information .. useful ..

If you weren’t convinced by the video of strings of cars with coffins, morgues packed to capacity, refrigerators on the streets of New York and ice arenas turned into temporary storage of corpses, then I won’t convince you of any way, sorry.

In the United States, 2,5 to 3 million people die annually ..
Without any strings of coffins, and without clogged morgues .. they bury slowly, and they don’t blow into the mustache
And then suddenly - all the storages are full ..))
Sorry, but this notorious refrigerator is from the category of crucified boys ..
Hype reporters, designed for the latest idiots ..
So there is no need to convince, but just sometimes think with your head ..

Died last week from coronavirus - John McDaniel from Columbus, Ohio. It was the main "common man" of the United States and denier of the pandemic. He called the pandemic a "political trick" and the quarantine regime "nonsense."

What is this talking about ?? The fact that he was right ..))
I also laugh at the FLU, and I don’t consider it a pandemic .. and I haven’t worn a mask in my life .. Can't I die from the FLU ?? Sure I can..
The fact is that from Kovid the number of deaths is scanty .. from almost 2 hundred countries, not a single president, not a single prime minister, not a king has died .. even as decrepit as the 72-year-old Prince Charles .. All our actors- deputies feel wonderful .. One Leshchenko for the whole country - and he is alive ..
But some kind of McDaniel there, about whom I had never heard in my life, and who is not yet known from what he died, should directly scare me ..))
Yes, I have more chances that the car will hit me in an hour .. today, tomorrow, and throughout my life .. So now I don’t get up off the sofa or anything ..))

[kenvas]

It is strange that, in my statistics, no one is interested in and does not correlate mortality ...
For example, in the United States, 38000 people die in traffic accidents each year (2019)
Influenza out of 35,5 million patients in the US 34200 (2018-2019) with vaccines and antibiotic treatment (less than one percent)
To date, for 4 months since the beginning of the year, actually 2,5 (since mid-February) for 990 thousand cases already 55,5 thousand deaths.
statistics and math, count

[reservist]

Quote: Roman123567

The fact is that from Kovid the number of deaths is scanty .. from almost 2 hundred countries, not a single president, not a single prime minister, not a king has died .. even as decrepit as the 72-year-old Prince Charles .. All our actors- deputies feel wonderful .. One Leshchenko for the whole country - and he is alive ..

Do you personally have the opportunity, like Leshchenko and other Charles and Johnsons, to be treated in a better hospital? Or make sure all your social contacts are regularly tested for infection?

[meandr51]

He was simply given the right diagnosis. It is not hard. It could easily have been removed. As long as there is no one in my environment who has suffered from covid, I will not believe in his "special danger". This is a scam, just like AIDS.

[reservist]

Quote: meandr51

As long as there is no one in my environment who has suffered from covid, I will not believe in his "special danger".

and while in your environment someone does not get into an accident, you will not believe that "a car is a source of increased danger"?

[rocket757]

Diabetes is a familiar disease and most often it is "acquired" by the sufferers themselves. It can be considered an "epidemic", but just like many others, the "client" must himself apply .... his irrepressible appetite!

[novel66]

less sweet soda ... and you won't get infected! Hi

[rocket757]

Hello Roman
Most often, yourself, yourself, but there is a hereditary predisposition! And it is expanding, this also cannot be ignored. Again, all sorts of violations ....
But still, mostly yourself, yourself!

[Reptiloid]

Greetings, Victor! Diabetes, it seems and can be due to nerves. But it can be with absolutely all the elderly. Some organs begin to fail earlier than others with age. At the same time, at work, some have a small child suddenly .....

[rocket757]

Age is no longer an indicator. We return to the questions, but how do some parents treat children?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

..... We return to the questions, but how do some parents treat children?

Etto yes! Does everyone cook? Or a sausage with a bun? Or a muffin with jam? To drink Pepsi?

[rocket757]

Fanta, of course, hisses pleasantly, BUT, this hissing gradually turns into a funeral requiem.
Do not forget this to anyone and never!
Funny, I never tried the big - magician - quack never! And children do not let this rubbish eat.
Of the effervescent only kvass, Uryupinsky, Stalingrad! This is a good drink.

[Reptiloid]

These bigmaki ---- not the best quality. What are they made of? Unclear. There is an advertisement about previous prices --- which is also not clear
You haven't lost anything

[rocket757]

I like different, traditional, NORMAL dishes!
But big mac crack is not a dish, it is a prescription in a pharmacy and very soon.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

I like different, traditional, NORMAL dishes!
But big mac crack is not a dish, it is a prescription in a pharmacy and very soon.

I like it too. Good natural. Here are just some kind of cakes like more than vegetables. I limit myself to pies

[rocket757]

Much that we love, want, is no longer useful to us.
That is life. But we still have a lot of joys, so it’s not worth it to run for the sight.

[Reptiloid]

In childhood, in the Far East somehow people did not think about diet. Meat, fish, caviar .... whom they hunted --- they ate. Now I can’t. Diet.

[rocket757]

About her and talk. Ah diet and then do not eat it!
I have FISH !!! Joy, forever! True salt, just like that, has already ceased, and fried is not always .... there are still ways to cook a yummy. This pleases.

[Mite]

Quote: rocket757

About her and talk. Ah diet and then do not eat it!

Everything should be in moderation .. I remember about 30 years ago the Aesculapius put on a diet, you’ll probably die .. I sent them in my mind and still live .. khe khe ..

Quote: rocket757

I have FISH !!! Joy, forever! True salt, just like that, has already ceased, and fried is not always .... there are still ways to cook a yummy. This pleases.

I also like to salt something, to make it on my own so that I’ll be sure with a soul !!! ..
That's how we live chewing bread ..

[rocket757]

Bread Borodinsky or Peklevanny, but triple fishing under the ear !!! Well, a little white, a glass, another, holy thing!
So we really live!

[Mite]

Quote: rocket757

Bread Borodinsky or Peklevanny, but triple fishing under the ear !!! Well, a little white, a glass, another, holy thing!
So we really live!

Enough Victor !!!!!!! I saliva on the clave start to drip and other fishing reflexes ..

[rocket757]

I dreamed
We also broke off the traditional May trip !!! they introduce digital passes, and this is already a kirdyk, you won’t go around all the cameras ... I can also go out on foot and go fishing, I’ve got everything nearby, and friends from the city, alas, are in flight!

[Reptiloid]

You, Victor, have not only fish, but also birds and fruit and vegetables. And today we had snow, but it has already melted.

[rocket757]

How to say. Itself does not fall from the sky, everything with your own hands must be mined, one way or another.
Now you don’t really take it easy, the ban on the ban sits and the ban drives it!
And we live like everyone else.

[Reptiloid]

Yes, I know about your construction. I wish you success!

[rocket757]

Thank you.
The boom is alive, do not die!

[Mite]

Quote: rocket757

Thank you.
The boom is alive, do not die!

Verily !!!!

[Mite]

Quote: rocket757

How to say. Itself does not fall from the sky, everything with your own hands must be mined, one way or another.
Now you don’t really take it easy, the ban on the ban sits and the ban drives it!
And we live like everyone else.

Are you like Victor making knives yourself or am I mistaken?
Maybe you’ll drive an article with a photo, too, the knives are combat and I think the topic? One thing is someone from the outside, but here you know a person, you read communicate ..

[rocket757]

Quote: Tick

Do you make knives yourself or am I mistaken?

We had a smithy .... they broke it, there was a smart smith nearby, and the land for the house of worship was sold !!! now some kind of sect has nailed up, figs will take them apart, they behave quietly, quietly, but how it is heated, in a quiet place ....... ???
Now only minor repairs are needed, for myself and my friends. ... but, I was not a master in this matter, there is metal, fire must be loved and understood, electronics are closer to me! any, different. I’m just from the old, Soviet amateur radio professionals who have become professionals in this matter .... and the Soviet amateur amateur is a chemist, physicist, locksmith, installer, mathematician and much more, in one glass!
There was, like that, a desire to write about the past ... but there would be continuous tales, for a long time everything was, the past was overgrown.

[Mite]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: Tick

Do you make knives yourself or am I mistaken?

We had a smithy .... they broke it, there was a smart smith nearby, and the land for the house of worship was sold !!! now some kind of sect has nailed up, figs will take them apart, they behave quietly, quietly, but how it is heated, in a quiet place ....... ???
Now only minor repairs are needed, for myself and my friends. ... but, I was not a master in this matter, there is metal, fire must be loved and understood, electronics are closer to me! any, different. I’m just from the old, Soviet amateur radio professionals who have become professionals in this matter .... and the Soviet amateur amateur is a chemist, physicist, locksmith, installer, mathematician and much more, in one glass!
There was, like that, a desire to write about the past ... but there would be continuous tales, for a long time everything was, the past was overgrown.

Yes, you Victor turns out to be an underground spool, sort of Kulibin! Not for nothing that I sensed a real Russian creative soul in you and it’s not easy to chat, etc.
Yours faithfully ! And still try to write something here about this to everyone .. I think this. Also the defense of the Fatherland concerns when there are such golden hands !!!!

[rocket757]

By the way, there is an interesting topic about the education of "golden hands" masters as a system, the education of the younger generation in the USSR.
If you recall what I was going through until PAPA finally convinced everyone, Mom, Grandmothers, Grandfathers, that the child would be like him, a military-technical specialist!
Check out my "fighting path" - ballroom dancing school, piano (Mom), choir, was a soloist (Grandmother), violin, mandalina and accordion (Grandfather, Grandmother, civilians), equestrian school (Grandfather colonel, horseman, long service in border troops), children's creativity circles in different cities: modeling ships, aircraft modeling, photo studio and FINALLY, the crown of my "career", RADIO-KRUZHOK!
Different cities, different palaces of pioneers, stations of young technicians and palaces of culture, in garrisons !!! By the way, he also managed to study normally.
Soviet students had fun !!! There is something to remember.
By the way, these schoolchildren had a "fun" service afterwards, saturated!

[Kalmar]

Strange note. It is clear that covida is far from the only and, perhaps, not the biggest problem of mankind. But a comparison with diabetes seems pointless: it is not contagious, and there is no reason to expect a sudden explosive increase in the incidence of diabetes.

[Roman123567]

And what's the difference, contagious or not contagious, if you look at it only in terms of saving human lives ??

A million died from an infectious disease .. 5 thousand died from an infectious disease .. (conditionally)
So what should be more alarming ?? What should the same doctors worry more about ?? As if the comparison is quite meaningful ..

[Kalmar]

Quote: Roman123567

And what's the difference, contagious or not contagious, if you look at it only in terms of saving human lives ??

The difference in the speed of propagation and, accordingly, in the required level of control. Well, in the flow rate.

Diabetes occurs gradually; with a certain level of attention to one's own health, signs of the onset of this condition can be detected in advance, and then its development can be prevented.

With an infectious disease, everything is much more complicated: it suddenly arises, spreads rapidly, proceeds quickly. In the absence of control, a serious infection in the number of deaths can bypass any diabetes in a very short time.

[Roman123567]

Diabetes occurs gradually; with a certain level of attention to one's own health, signs of the onset of this condition can be detected in advance, and then its development can be prevented.

If, in fact, another disease dies by orders of magnitude more, then it should be of concern .. And people should be treated first of all from it ..
Gradually, or sharply - this still does not cancel the number of new graves in cemeteries ..
And the comparison here is on the topic of what is worse - a million graves, or several thousand ..

[Kalmar]

Quote: Roman123567

If in fact from another disease dies orders of magnitude more - then it should cause concern.

Well look. Suppose you have ants wound up in your home. Rumble around all the rooms, you are trying to poison them, with varying success it turns out. And in the kitchen, a frying pan with oil on the stove suddenly caught fire. Ants - they are all over the apartment, and the fire - so far only within the stove. First of all, will you run to the store for another remedy for ants, or will you do anything about the fire?

[Roman123567]

The example just says the same as me ..
The whole house burns down from a fire, nobody dies from ants ..
That’s what I wrote above about - you have to fight with what poses a greater threat !!
The big threat is where there are more deaths .. This is stated in my quote that you tried to challenge ..))

[Kalmar]

Quote: Roman123567

The biggest threat is where there are more deaths ..

Yes, I mean it too. It's just that the ratio "800 from SD versus 000 from covida" is the current moment. And if this moment is missed, then a small (relatively) light "covid" can flare up into a large-scale fire with a counter of victims much larger than that of SD and other misfortunes. The Spanish woman's experience is an example of this. It is on the basis of such considerations that they decide what priority this or that threat has.

[Roman123567]

And if you miss this moment

Here are a few digits ..
There was one patient .. contagious ..
He was "missed" ..
He infected a few more ..
They were also "missed" ..
Then hundreds / thousands of patients appeared .. It’s already unrealistic to stop them .. because while you’re only catching them, they’ll communicate at least 1-2 each for a couple of hours .. And in a day with a dozen people ..
If isolated cases could not be contained, what to say when it comes to millions ..))

The theory of six handshakes is a sociological theory according to which any two people on Earth are separated by no more than five levels of common acquaintances (and, accordingly, six levels of connections).

Several months passed ..
Further conclusions can be drawn yourself ..))

Be it Spanish, etc. - Now there would be a completely different calico in the world ..

[Kalmar]

Quote: Roman123567

If isolated cases could not be contained, what to say when it comes to millions ..))

If it does not work out with isolated cases, "work on areas" begins - ie. quarantines of various scales and levels of severity. And there, you see, the vaccine will be adjusted. Somehow it has always been done this way.

The theory of six handshakes - it’s generally about something else. I don’t know what you are leading her to.

Quote: Roman123567

Be it Spanish, etc. - Now there would be a completely different calico in the world ..

That is yes. True, the covede can still bring surprises (mutations, new strains, that's all).

[AU Ivanov.]

The vaccine is not a panacea either. Doctor
Myasnikov published on Telegram "information for reflection at the beginning of World Immunization Week."

“Measles (there is a vaccine) - 140 thousand deaths per year. Pneumococcus (there is a vaccine) - 2-2,5 million deaths per year. Hepatitis B (there is a vaccine) - 650 thousand deaths per year. Tetanus (there is a vaccine) - 89 thousand deaths per year. Rotavirus (there is a vaccine) - 800 thousand deaths per year. Cervical cancer (there is a vaccine) - 250 thousand deaths per year. Tuberculosis (there is a vaccine) - 1,5 million deaths per year. Influenza (there is a vaccine) - (from) 650 thousand (up to) 1 million deaths per year, ”he cited statistics.

“COVID-19, there is no vaccine - 195 thousand today. Yes, “it’s not yet night,” the process is underway, but the statistics are so contradictory that it’s too early to evaluate. Considering that the main victims of COVID are very sick and elderly with an initially low life expectancy, ”he added.

[reservist]

We say that the measures are not adequate to the threat?
let them get sick and be treated at home?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Roman123567

If in fact from another disease dies orders of magnitude more

Do you want more to die from coronavirus? And there will be more with your approach. If now in Russia, mortality is about 10 percent, how much will it be if you let it go by itself? With a sharp increase in the number of cases, many will not be able to receive adequate medical care. You are very concerned about the economy. And how bad is our economy when, say, minus 10 million citizens? Or did you decide to compensate for the loss by importing blacks?

[Charik]

another population suction on babos

[Vasyan1971]

And the "Spaniard"? And the "Hong Kong flu" of the late 60s of the last century?

[Livonetc]

From Spaniard died from 50 to 100 million people.
From Hong Kong about a million.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Livonetc

From Spaniard died from 50 to 100 million people.
From Hong Kong about a million.

In-in!

[reservist]

those. need to wait until a million dies from this infection?
from the beginning of the year, about 200 thousand have died ... so at such a pace (I hope that they will not persist) a million at the beginning of next year will be ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: reservist

those. need to wait until a million dies from this infection?

With all due respect to you and the current situation, but just that I went to the store for bread and milk and did not observe gloomy types in the masks of a plague doctor, trailing corpses in stacks.
Of course, there is no need to wait, as you say, but also "overdrive" with "A-ah! We will die!" don't either.
I think so. ©

[reservist]

What's wrong that "corpses in piles" are only seen on the Internet? to get "stacks" you need "just something" so that the number of seriously ill patients outweighed the number of places (not "paper", but real ones, provided with everything necessary) in hospitals ...
and I think it will soon be clear whether they have "salted" or not ... then changed your mind ...

[Pvi1206]

A person acquires diseases not only as a result of the negative impact of the environment, malnutrition, bad habits ... but also from bad thoughts, his anger, hatred and envy ...

[carstorm 11]

diabetes is something that comes out of one much more important problem. OBESITY. as the Chinese themselves say, obesity is ahead of economic growth. . I have seen Chinese children of unprecedented dimensions for me more than once. the world is getting fat as I don’t know what. we are no exception. and so many sores stretch behind him that it’s scary to even imagine.

[Maks1995]

Diabetes is really massive.
BUT what for it to compare in a forehead? it is not right....

[alien]

Hong Kong Press: Do you know what “epidemic” in China killed 843 thousand people in 2017?

Diabetes patients not caught in China butterfly net.
But infected COVID-19 is caught. Means not just like that.

[alien]

The bottom line is the logic of doctors:

Professor Alexander Tsankov, Head of the Pathology Department at the University Hospital Basel, Germany.
“If I have cancer and have six months to live and get hit by a car, it doesn't diminish the driver’s guilt,” he says.
Of course, the life expectancy of deceased patients with multiple previous illnesses was shorter than that of healthy ones. "But without Covid-19, all of these patients would probably live longer, maybe an hour, maybe one day, a week or whole year"- Süddeutsche Zeitung reports."
https://vz.ru/news/2020/4/22/1035608.html
https://inosmi.ru/science/20200423/247314466.html

Those. - why the number of deaths is increasing so dramatically? This can conditionally be explained in this way: those who die in a year, if they get COVID-19 coronavirus, can die in 1-2 months. That is, mortality only for these people increases almost 10 times.

But the situation is much more complicated, because the young are sick too.
April 22, 2020 Moscow Clinical Hospital No. 52, Head Physician Maryana Lysenko:
“A lot of young people began to act, and often we see that they have no chronic diseases. But this does not always help to avoid deaths.

<...> Forecasts, unfortunately, for the medium term are not very encouraging yet. We are now approaching the peak of morbidity and therefore the number of patients will, of course, grow for some time. But in the city as a whole, thanks to the technology of fast construction of buildings, the capital's hospitals will have a "certain backlash" in beds. "
https://tass.ru/interviews/8310475

[2 Level Advisor]

forecasts are certainly good .. but you need to look at the results! forecasts are like sports bets, one thing, the other .. but all the same, it’s important - only the result (result) .. but in countries where the epidemic has subsided, mortality is absolutely not catastrophic, up to 3% of which, as you wrote most and would die soon.

[alien]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

forecasts are certainly good .. but you need to look at the results!

This is the case when it is better not to experience it on your own skin.

[2 Level Advisor]

Yes, it’s better not to feel any dirty tricks on your own skin, here you’re right, you can’t argue .. although I have all the relatives and for the last 3 months I have been ill with something very similar .. I don’t know, but it was like that ..

[reservist]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

in countries where the epidemic has subsided, mortality is absolutely not catastrophic, up to 3% of which ...

where haven’t you slept yet?
in the United States - 56 million deaths per million sick people ... what do you think, what will be the resulting mortality rate?

[2 Level Advisor]

I guess that is about the same as everywhere else .. Americans, still ordinary people .. but we find out when it will end ..

[reservist]

Yes, people are separate, ordinary everywhere, but here are the governments and national health systems in each country ...

read about the poor in Vietnam

The total number of cases as of Wednesday amounted to (at least, according to official figures) 268 people, while 222 have already recovered and not one has died.

www.kommersant.ru/doc/4328226

and compare with the United States and other countries where tens of thousands are considered ill ...

[Chaldon48]

We conducted a self-isolation campaign, "opticheli" the event, now everything is fine.

[Amateur]

According to the World Health Organization, 1,35 million people die on the world's roads every year. This is the 8th cause of death for inhabitants of the Earth of all ages in the ranking of causes of death and the main cause of death among residents aged 5 to 29 years.

Down with the cars! For using the car - 10 years without the right to correspondence. Use of the car for official purposes is allowed only by electronic pass issued by the apparatus of the governor of the respective territorial association for a bribe if there is sufficient justification.

Give a peasant horse instead of an iron horse
(Greta T.)

[cniza]

The article notes that diabetes needs to be addressed

As well as hypertension, which kills no less ...

[alien]

Quote: cniza

As well as hypertension, which kills no less ...

"COVID-19 can trigger a variety of dangerous processes leading to death.

1. Distress syndrome. In fact - lung failure as a result of inflammation and swelling. As a result, the failure of all internal organs as a result of prolonged hypoxia. Perhaps this is what they mean by "pneumonia." Mechanical ventilation is almost useless, but ECMO can help.

2. The defeat of oxygen transports - red blood cells. The lungs still work, but oxygen does not enter the organs. Not pneumonia, but the effect is the same. How to treat is incomprehensible.

3. Thromboembolism - the virus contributes to the formation of blood clots in the affected tissues. The first death in the Russian Federation from COVID-19 was just deleted from the list due to the fact that it did not come from a “virus”, but from an obstruction of the lungs by blood clots. But the cause was the same coronavirus infection. Treatment is possible by the introduction of anticoagulants, but with inflammatory damage to the lungs, this can cause pulmonary bleeding.

4. "Cytokine storm" - uncontrolled excessive immune response, leading to fulminant generalized inflammation. The body, tired of fighting, includes a mechanism to destroy everything that he does not like, and thereby kills himself. It may manifest with a delay of a week or more after removal of the distress syndrome. Those. the man had already been disconnected from the ventilator, he was recovering, he could even have been discharged home for outpatient aftercare. And then they arrived. Treatment with immunosuppressive blockers and corticosteroids. But with an imbalance, you can crush the immune system so that the patient dies from a Pseudomonas infection or some other bacterial infection. There are experimental methods of suppressing precisely the cytokine cascade without a significant effect on the immune system as a whole, but their effectiveness has not yet been confirmed.

5. Complications of other organs — the heart, liver, and kidneys. Coronavirus not only propagates in the lungs, just the lungs - the most convenient and accessible medium for it. He is like a plague - the disease can occur in various forms, but the pulmonary is considered the most dangerous and deadly.

So, it is the coronavirus infection that causes death. This is the reason. But the form of death can be very different. It doesn't matter if it's pneumonia, thromboembolism, or an immune response. "

Source:

https://habr.com/ru/post/497528/

[cniza]

I’m not a doctor and I can’t judge, but I see that he speeds up all the negative processes that lead to death.

[alien]

Quote: cniza

but I see that it accelerates all the negative processes that lead to death.

Yes, that is right. The approximate effects can be estimated from this WHO information:

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020

[iouris]

The difference is that unprecedented (so far) measures of police control over the population have been introduced. Toli will be in a few years, when they introduce 5G and establish imports from China of the necessary equipment in sufficient quantities ...

[cniza]

This is inevitable, we have long been under control, only it becomes more targeted ... but they don’t die from it ...

[iouris]

... they don’t live from him.

[cniza]

Here you can philosophize for a long time, but this is inevitable and what will happen next I do not know ...

[alien]

Quote: cniza

what will happen next I do not know.

In this situation, something else is alarming. Indeed, there is no confirmation of the artificial origin of the COVID-19 virus, and the main suspicion falls on bats, as possible carriers that can infect humans in wet markets, through fertilizers, etc.

Why doesn't WHO recommend banning the sale and eating of bats?

Here is a video (February 9, 2020) on the Indonesian market (270 million people) calmly trading and eating bats. Are they safe?

[iouris]

Quote: Alien

Why does WHO not recommend

Are you ready for WHO or another supranational structure to govern your state?
There is still a custom to eat people, but WHO is silent.

[alien]

Quote: iouris

There is still a custom to eat people, but WHO is silent.

https://www.who.int/about/collaborations/en/

[cniza]

Quote: Alien

Why doesn't WHO recommend banning the sale and eating of bats?

WHO has long been in the service of drug manufacturers, I do not want to call it plain text, as it is called ...

[alien]

Quote: cniza

I don’t want to call it direct text, as it is called ...

It seems that soon all these structures will be called differently.

Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation Maxim Oreshkin:
“We see that not all international institutions, well, almost the majority of them cannot cope with the current crisis.
There are no automatic measures that trigger such a crisis.
Both the IMF and the World Health Organization (WHO). Therefore, again, all international institutions will be rethought. ”
https://www.interfax.ru/world/706075

[cniza]

The point is not in the name, but in what they do and how ...

[alien]

Quote: cniza

The point is not the name, but what they do and how

I agree. Starting at least with this:

“Back on January 23, 2020, a representative of the WHO organization said that so far there is“ no evidence of human-to-human transmission of the virus outside of Chinabut we don't know a lot, we don't know how the virus spreads. " https://www.interfax.ru/world/692476

But, in fact, if WHO already had (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext) evidence of transmission of the virus from person to person in China until January 23rd. Then sit and wait until confirmation of the transmission of the virus from person to person outside of China appears - at least irresponsibly.

December 30, 2019 Lee wrote to his colleagues:

January 10 2020 years:

[alien]

LI WENLYAN, 34, a Chinese doctor from China, was the first to warn of coronavirus.

https://kp-platform.cdnvideo.ru/kp/mp4/54/760201_1581442184.mp4

[cniza]

A courageous man, a real doctor, his eternal memory ...

[iouris]

Quote: cniza

you can philosophize for a long time, but this is inevitable and what will happen next I do not know ...

But you know something. If this is inevitable, what is the name of the economic system that is apparently being introduced now, which class will become dominant, is it government policy or the implementation of the dictate of a supranational government?

[cniza]

Yes, this is a kind of digital slavery, especially among the younger generation and they can’t take a single step without this dependence ... I repeat, I don’t know what will happen next ...

[Ivan Kolodin]

Yes, what does chronic disease have to do with them, people can get sick for years and don’t die right away, but then a different situation caught the virus, and then it’s been ill for two weeks and has been mild, and the consequences are still not clear, as the studies say that the trace remains either pneumonia and where the lungs are in dust, and that's all, you are already there in heaven .... And this is considering that all the forces of medicine are thrown into the fight against the virus, and if everything is left as it is, everything will collapse ....

[Mite]

I remember the outbreaks of diseases in the USSR and were more serious than this crown, cholera, typhoid, smallpox, even anthrax .. (it just wasn’t advertised and quickly localized) .. And now my mother is not distressed. Now it will be every year?

[Reserve officer]

Just in the USSR, medical workers fought all these diseases. And now - journalists and politicians. It seems that the installation is given to sow as much panic as possible. A disguise, something like a smokescreen - and do what you want. And new taxes, and restrictions on civil rights, and total surveillance - and all for the good of ourselves.
All this is more like a population control exercise (we are no longer called the people) with the introduction of martial law. And there is always a reason.

[alien]

Quote: Tick

I remember in the USSR ...

Maybe it's better about the USA ...
"About how many wonderful epidemics the spirit of enlightenment is preparing ...

Well then, let's take a look at the lab leak version. To begin with, I’ll give a brief historical background about other leaks. Because shoots of viruses from laboratories in the past happened more than once. First of all, of the same SARS-CoV: for the first time he fled in the summer of 2003 in Singapore, then in December 2003 in Taiwan, and in the spring of 2004 he flew twice to Beijing.

There were alarming calls in Europe and the USA, although there were no infections there. For example, in France, a laboratory somehow lost test tubes with SARS, and in the USA BSL-4 laboratory in Texas, test tubes with the Venezuelan hemorrhagic fever virus were missing:
Only one scientist worked with the virus, and Reyes said the lab suspects the scientist accidentally threw a test tube in November.
...
The Galveston Biolaboratory has the most stringent safety precautions because it studies biosafety level BSL-4 materials, which are dangerous infectious diseases that don't have vaccines or drugs. BSL-4 materials include Guanarito, Ebola and smallpox. "
https://habr.com/ru/post/497956/

And more:

“The Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction (BTWC) was approved by the UN General Assembly in 1971 (the first ever ban on a whole WMD category). Entered into force in 1975. It is unlimited. As of January 2020 - 183 participants. Depositories: Russia, USA and Great Britain.

<...> a serious shortcoming of the Convention is lack of verification mechanism fulfillment by participating States of their obligations. The Special Conference of States Parties to the BTWC (1994) established an Ad Hoc Group of Experts of the States Parties to develop an international legally binding document (protocol) to strengthen the Convention (formally, the mandate of this Special Group continues to operate). The developed draft protocol contained mandatory declarations of certain types of activities in the field of biology, compliance verification measures (including visits to facilities and investigations of any alleged violations of the BTWC), as well as measures to improve cooperation and scientific and technical exchanges.

In 2001, on the eve of V OK US unilaterally disrupted the process of adopting a draft protocol to the BTWC. Washington’s position remains unchanged - failure from the development of a legally binding protocol, in particular containing verification elements. ”
https://www.mid.ru/drugie-vidy-omu/-/asset_publisher/JBSvkVAIGJSS/content/id/1137823

[tolmachiev51]

NWF lies without movement, there is a reason to cut !!! The allocated money to fight the virus will end; it will disappear on its own. Stop fooling the people.