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Too similar to deja vu


Today, dystopia is in great fashion. However, they have already entered our lives, we live in a bright digital future. Cameras on poles, which together with robots over the course of a day replenished the capital’s penalty treasury by more than a billion, are abruptly fantastic.

That would be the same indifferent machines distributed and anti-crisis assistance! We received well-grounded applications, painted loans, subsidies and write-offs of taxes for those in need, it would be real post-crisis happiness for everyone!

“Dreaming is not bad!” - as if you hear in response from the high offices. Only targeted and only point! The guarantor doesn’t just broadcast anything. So, all to save the "locomotives" of the economy and the heroes of capitalist labor! Friendly and orderly rows. You really wanted the USSR back - so get the Union in the best possible way.

A planned economy, an 8-hour, mind you, non-working day, almost optimized medicine to zero. But somehow it doesn’t work with free housing - but there is a mortgage lending program at 6,5 percent per annum. And the program of salvation for those who, at a higher percentage, once got involved. Apparently, someone had already calculated their long-paid, but not yet returned credit millions, in order to compile lists as well. Lists of those whose apartments for debts will be taken.

However, here we are not talking about these lists at all. We will very briefly discuss the lists of socially significant and structurally-forming enterprises. Those to whom the state plans to provide anti-crisis assistance. Multibillion, it must be understood. According to the latest data, these lists show all those who, in one way or another, can be counted as something like a "supplier of the imperial court."

It makes no sense to disclose lists already compiled and agreed in all ministerial offices. Contrary to our tradition, all classified lists are transparent just painfully. And painfully familiar. Since the last crisis, 2008, when only 295 enterprises, companies and banks fell under the state support program. "The Chosen."

Now, on the lists, which are far from being final, the bill has already gone to thousands. In the first list, drawn up at the end of March, we recall only 646 enterprises. However, a lot - not a little, but good or bad, only time will tell. But in 2008, of course, a lot of petrodollars were sent for support, targeted and targeted, but obviously not as much as they have to be sent now.

Although why "have to"? One can imagine how many officials, in how many offices or on a remote site, are literally rubbing their hands in anticipation of “kickbacks” and “side effects” from the distribution of budgetary and extra-budgetary billions! After all, not robots, alas, will distribute colossal anti-crisis amounts.

But to what extent it would be desirable that robots do it! By which "honest" programmers will establish "honest" support programs. Where it will be “honestly” written out who lost how much and how much was lost during the crisis, and “honestly” calculated how and how much he can earn after recovery.

But the main thing is to “honestly” calculate who and how much warmed their hands during the crisis. Moreover, the fake tests for COVID-19 and idle masks for at least 50 rubles apiece under this article will go like a cheap thing. Take a breath, reader, dystopia again.

Targeted and targeted


But what are we all about the bad, about corruption, damn it. Now all the bad forecasts are being issued now, and the Chairman of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, Alexei Kudrin, believes that the Russian economy will go through the peak of the crisis and begin to recover, but in some sectors this can take at least a year.

Kudrin added that he made his estimates on the basis of the forecast, according to which GDP could fall by 6-8%. The IMF, as you know, speaks of a more than 5% drop. "But I repeat - we are very much connected with the world. Therefore, from 7% to 8% - today is probably a clearer orientation, clearer numbers, for which you can navigate, "- says the head of the main control body of the country.

And why would Aleksey Kudrin, who for many years after the main office in the Ministry of Finance and the vice-premier accustomed us to the role of a note pessimist, suddenly decided to instill such hopes in all of us? Maybe we are already tired of scaring, but most just have to go back to work? And to normal life? We will not judge here, although for the optimism anyway “thank you”.

A professional economist who for many years has managed not to lose credibility in the ranks of the right and left, although go figure out who they are in Russia, he rightly noted that now

"The most difficult thing is to survive this peak ... A number of industries have already lost 100% or 90% of their consumers, the demand for their products or services."

There is hardly a need to clarify which industries the chief auditor of the country is talking about, who, by all indications, at this post began to gradually move away from ultra-liberal positions. However, I would very much like to understand why state support, targeted and targeted, will be concentrated on those who are on the very lists, not on these industries at all.

Perhaps because there are just not enough authoritative "petitioners" there? Not at all, and in culture and in sports, in transport and catering, even in tourism, there are enough "authorities", but only the lists there are very modest. The point is, apparently, in another. Someone, unlike oligarchs risking billions, today it is inconvenient to act as supplicants, but simply ashamed, and now they ask only one thing - do not rob!

Better, take an example from those who more than twenty years ago took the country out of default. With Yevgeny Primakov and Yuri Maslyukov, with Victor Gerashchenko and the now completely forgotten head of the Foreign Exchange Control Service Oleg Pavlov. And for starters, if you don’t feel like printing out reserves, don’t weaken currency control, but make it extremely tight.

Otherwise, soon nothing will remain in the country at all. Indeed, by no means ordinary citizens whom Ms. Nabiullina and Mr. Gref are ready to blame for all sins, namely those who are now included in the notorious lists, they will immediately begin to withdraw "state aid" to foreign accounts. Legislatively all the possibilities for this are already practically formalized.

So show your political will and close all windows and windows for the drain of capital in offshore, finally, deal with the settlement of non-payments. However, the author is not so naive - this is anti-utopia! But, nevertheless, it would be quite nice to deal with both taxes and mandatory payments, and at the same time help to support personnel who may not return.

And just do not impose your "poisonous" loans so diligently under crisis salaries, which then will be impossible to repay. You thereby only confirm that the state has money, and there is a lot of money, even a lot of it. That’s why the power is even more offensive. And in general, it’s better to start with just people, and not with some structures there. Structures are not people; if they die, then it’s not even necessary to bury them.

By the way, instead of PS And why now, under the threat of multimillion-dollar unemployment, not cancel the pension reform? Again dystopia? But to admit your mistakes is the lot of the strong!
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 April 28 2020 05: 31 New
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    The other day I also saw one person who knows what needs to be done, but he does not want to go to the government, he says it is necessary to tax.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 28 2020 05: 35 New
      28
      . Someone, unlike oligarchs risking billions, today acting as petitioners is uncomfortable, but just a shame, and they ask now only about one thing - do not rob!

      Yes, just no one already believes that the current government will really support the people, not the oligarchs. After all, the well-known axiom is that in words we have people supported, and on business - those who are on top.
      1. depressant
        depressant April 28 2020 06: 03 New
        36
        The question of cutting spending on the state apparatus is not raised. As well as the question of reducing the state apparatus itself.
        1. kepmor
          kepmor April 28 2020 06: 23 New
          30
          what are you talking about ...
          reason, conscience and justice were never inherent in any power, and even more so today ... you are directly calling them to masochism ...
          By the way, the other day the head of the Ministry of Natural Resources Kobylkin reported to our fabulously nullified that climatologists predict an abnormal heat this summer ...
          it seems to me that it will be hot not only for all and so much from the hot sun ...
          1. sabakina
            sabakina April 28 2020 06: 45 New
            +7
            Quote: kepmor
            By the way, the other day the head of the Ministry of Natural Resources Kobylkin reported to our fabulously nullified that climatologists predict an abnormal heat this summer ...
            it seems to me that it will be hot not only for all and so much from the hot sun ...
            I remember that at the end of winter we were promised a "pink" summer. I wonder what happened during this time? Do not offer the version of the coronavirus.
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins April 28 2020 07: 00 New
              +8
              And I liked the photo on the screensaver. The design and color of the wallet are full copies of mine. Only in mine are a couple of cards, a business card and still a few bills, as a rule, there is. One, however, "imported", - "for luck")))
              1. DEDPIHTO
                DEDPIHTO April 28 2020 07: 48 New
                +2
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                And I liked the photo on the screensaver. The design and color of the wallet are full copies of mine. Only in mine are a couple of cards, a business card and still a few bills, as a rule, there is. One, however, "imported", - "for luck")))

                Well, I don’t know who lived economically and within means, didn’t get into loans (he didn’t feed bankers), he showed a shish to non-state Wishlist and other burials - the wallet looks a little different ... wink Pictured is the wallet of a member of the consumer society of the Russian Federation! laughing
                1. Revival
                  Revival April 28 2020 17: 16 New
                  -1
                  I will translate your comment in the realities of the citizens of which we are:
                  Who basically lived on a beggarly (or poor) salary, pension, and was pleased with that, didn’t take loans, lived wretchedly and lived without excesses, didn’t ache, he didn’t lose, he lives on a beggarly salary (if he was lucky), retirement and does not ache, well, maybe it’s even worse to live, well, then fate and the State Department again do not sleep, and do not ache. Well, in general, again won ..
                  1. DEDPIHTO
                    DEDPIHTO April 28 2020 20: 07 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Revival
                    I will translate your comment in the realities of the citizens of which we are:
                    Who basically lived on a beggarly (or poor) salary, pension, and was pleased with that, didn’t take loans, lived wretchedly and lived without excesses, didn’t ache, he didn’t lose, he lives on a beggarly salary (if he was lucky), retirement and does not ache, well, maybe it’s even worse to live, well, then fate and the State Department again do not sleep, and do not ache. Well, in general, again won ..

                    ,, If the meaning of the message is not clear to you, then the message is not for you ,, (c). And I didn’t hire you as a translator, so there’s nothing to smack the gag here.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival April 28 2020 21: 00 New
                      0
                      In perverted logic, the meaning of your comment can be completely different, I easily admit
              2. BIABIA
                BIABIA April 28 2020 12: 08 New
                -1
                Imported, go, 2 dollars wink
                1. 16112014nk
                  16112014nk April 28 2020 18: 52 New
                  0
                  It depends on what $ 2. Only the 1976 issue, anniversary ones, have value.
              3. bk316
                bk316 April 28 2020 14: 42 New
                +3
                Only in my pair of cards, a business card and still a few notes,

                I haven’t seen for a long time
            2. depressant
              depressant April 28 2020 07: 07 New
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              And during this time the following happened. In early April, Putin recklessly demanded payment of self-isolation for workers by employers. Not understanding that he brought the country into a market that does not obey him at all. A third of employers deprived of a client base are about to go bankrupt. The rest, who retained at least some client base, refused to fulfill the president’s order. Moreover, they resolutely demanded the right to reduce wages to employees to the minimum wage.
              And everyone was outraged.
              Employers - because Putin is trying to intervene in the elements of the market, and workers - because Putin cannot protect them from this element. The technique of resolving the situation according to concepts (instructions) in force majeure circumstances affecting huge masses of people does not work.
              I’m wondering: did someone tell the president that we have an economic crisis in our yard?
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi April 28 2020 07: 32 New
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                Quote: depressant
                Not understanding that he brought the country into a market that does not obey him at all

                He does not understand this. Well, or does not want to understand. He believes that all entrepreneurs have stolen money, like his beloved sparring partners, whom really pay pay to employees, which is simple with a monthly period, that with a ten-year period, it’s never a problem. Mister lives in Russia, invented for him, and not in real.
                1. Roman123567
                  Roman123567 April 28 2020 11: 28 New
                  +7
                  70-year-old grandfather, living in his own separate world for most of his life ..
                  What can he even know and understand about how people survive in Russia ??
                  How do mortgage families feel, what is it like to divide 20 thousand per month, etc. to infinity..
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 April 28 2020 14: 44 New
                    +4
                    How do mortgage families feel, what is it like to divide 20 thousand per month and

                    Why the hell did you take a mortgage with such income?
                    Any loan has consequences.
                    1. DEDPIHTO
                      DEDPIHTO April 28 2020 14: 55 New
                      -2
                      Quote: bk316
                      How do mortgage families feel, what is it like to divide 20 thousand per month and

                      Why the hell did you take a mortgage with such income?
                      Any loan has consequences.

                      Some families create only a lump and not a head, and then they begin to play mortgage roulette. So it’s more correct to ask a question - what for a family to create when behind a soul there is still neither a stake, nor a yard.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival April 28 2020 17: 22 New
                        +6
                        Well, you see a statesman!
                        They have already created all the conditions so that you never get a stake or a yard, and you start an insolent family, you don’t understand hints.
                        They don’t need your families, they don’t need children;
                    2. Revival
                      Revival April 28 2020 17: 19 New
                      +5
                      Correctly. families are not needed, so you think?
                      Not earned because of the situation created for you from above, not worthy of a family.
                      Why do our state need families, children, yes?
                      1. bk316
                        bk316 April 28 2020 19: 47 New
                        +2
                        Why do our state need families, children, yes?


                        My grandfather and his wife, her sister, two sons lived at 35 meters. in the 60s
                        Maternal grandmother in general in a communal apartment. at the same time.
                        Do you want to repeat your question by addressing it to the Communists?

                        My father and my mother and I lived at 40 meters. Already in the 70s
                        Do you want to repeat your question by addressing it to the Communists?

                        And this despite the fact that they are indigenous Muscovites. And now the boy comes for 3000 km. can do nothing, becomes an office plankton, rents a room and begins to gain loans. Marries, has children. But he lives in a rented apartment. He takes a mortgage without counting or thinking at all.
                        Who is to blame?
                      2. Revival
                        Revival April 28 2020 20: 59 New
                        +3
                        That is, on a whim, people go to Moscow, and not because the work on the ground was closed to them by decisions from above? Beggarly wages (minimum wages) throughout Russia on the ground, they set for themselves?
                      3. bk316
                        bk316 April 28 2020 22: 26 New
                        +1
                        about eating on a whim people go to Moscow,

                        I can definitely say why those of whom I wrote (youth) are going to Moscow. They do not want to live in a swamp with memories of how good it was in the USSR.
                        And they also think that the American dream is here.
                2. Firelake
                  Firelake April 28 2020 20: 34 New
                  +3
                  Only the lack of money in people has consequences. Miserable salaries and constant devaluations. Which generally lead to a full ass with income. You generally look at the budget structure of the 40% oil and gas industry. The rest is the rest.
                  Where and how do people live if there are two families in one apartment? Where are the children? How to survive without credit? And when you take it to the necessities you don’t think that our rulers will bang everything again.
            3. bk316
              bk316 April 28 2020 14: 51 New
              +7
              He does not understand this. Well, or does not want to understand.

              The logic is very simple, you just don’t like it and you, like ostriches, try not to notice it. The authorities are trying to preserve the structure-forming enterprises. Under state capitalism, this is all entirely monopoly, or as you like to say, oligarchs. All. If it remains, they will be given to the middle peasants, again, if it remains, it may still be for someone. ONLY WILL NOT REMAIN.
              As a result, I’m sure everything will turn out as planned, the monopolies will either not suffer or even get rich. The little thing will go broke. Medium - depends on specific managers.
              The townsfolk will sit at home and go to work further, if it is where. Pensioners will receive a couple of one-time pension supplements and vote as they should.

              I will repeat my political forecast.
              If 100000 gets sick, we will have a life-long president - the father of the nation - and you will not do anything about it ..
              If 1000000 gets sick, we will have a new president - this is where you need to think about how to vote.
              Possible combinations in the middle
              1. Overlock
                Overlock April 28 2020 19: 24 New
                +4
                Quote: bk316
                If 100000 gets sick, we will have a life-long president - the father of the nation - and you will not do anything about it ..
                If 1000000 gets sick, we will have a new president - this is where you need to think about how to vote.

                Questions:
                1. who will count this million?
                2. even if there will be a million, who will say this?
                3. how can this million affect the presidential election (for the president himself)?
                1. bk316
                  bk316 April 28 2020 22: 29 New
                  +4
                  who will count this million?

                  1. Count everything from Rosstat to the CIA. Such a world today.
                  2. WHO will say.
                  3.Burn out. You look in the box, they really sleep for 2 hours. Unlike you, I know that.
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir April 28 2020 08: 08 New
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            somebody informed the president
            Lyudmila, you have forgotten that "the cat has thrown the kittens", in short, the president is not here. Now, if it is necessary to annex the Crimea, it is at least a dozen easy alone.
            And coronovirus is a great business, good money in the form of fines from the people has been cut.
          3. Hagen
            Hagen April 28 2020 09: 46 New
            -2
            Quote: depressant
            And everyone was outraged.
            Employers - because Putin is trying to intervene in the elements of the market, and workers - because Putin cannot protect them from this element.

            In real life, in any system there were antagonisms, these are employers and workers. In a broader sense, sellers and buyers. Some want to get everything and pay nothing, others want to get all the money and don’t give anything for them. (I intentionally cite extreme positions). Moreover, a third force was always needed, capable of balancing both parties in an agreement. As a rule, this was the lot of public administration at all times. I don’t see anything new here, especially unusual. Of course, the compromise reached between them never 100% satisfies both sides. But no one has come up with another, for a global solution.
            1. Kronos
              Kronos April 28 2020 10: 17 New
              +3
              Communism has long been invented
              1. Hagen
                Hagen April 28 2020 10: 19 New
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                Quote: Kronos
                Communism has long been invented

                Equally successful is the disembodied existence after death. laughing
          4. veritas
            veritas April 28 2020 10: 16 New
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            Quote: depressant
            I’m wondering: did someone tell the president that we have an economic crisis in our yard?

            For whom the crisis, and for whom the opportunities, a lot of small and medium-sized enterprises will be ruined and bought up cheaply. There is no talk of ordinary people at all, no one is thinking about them, this can be understood by the pension reform and by the support measures during the epidemic. Now the government is thinking how to make money and huge powers have been given on the ground, those who are not ruined will be bought and businesses will be bought at a low price, thereby the power and near-power business will come out even richer, and ordinary citizens will be even poorer, the thin middle class layer will disappear and the gap between rich and poor will widen even more.
          5. New Year day
            New Year day April 28 2020 14: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: depressant
            I’m wondering: did someone tell the president that we have an economic crisis in our yard?

            Do you need to explain this to the candidate of economic sciences? A lot of questions right away:
            - And whether the candidate?
            - and if the candidate, then why?
        2. alone
          alone April 28 2020 12: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: sabakina
          I remember that at the end of winter we were promised a "pink" summer.

          Well, for certain people it’s pink all year long ... A promise is always important because it can then not be fulfilled laughing
      2. knn54
        knn54 April 28 2020 08: 11 New
        +9
        "They" consider the State Treasury to be their own purse.
        1. alone
          alone April 28 2020 12: 16 New
          +6
          Quote: knn54
          They "consider the State Treasury their own purse.

          They don’t think ... This is a fait accompli ..
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi April 28 2020 07: 24 New
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      Quote: depressant
      As well as the question of reducing the state apparatus itself.

      In the husband’s homeland, in the small regional center of Moscow Region, in Soviet times, all district authorities were housed in the same building. City Council built in 1910, with a wing attached to the Soviet regime. Well, except for the police. she sat separately. Now .... And now they’re sitting in seven. And not because the cabinets have become more spacious. It is the exact opposite. The people, even in the first, where the authorities still sat under the Soviets, became noticeably larger. By the way. The police also crawled into three buildings, instead of one. This is 10 now, against 2 at the councils. Something like this....
    3. Machito
      Machito April 28 2020 15: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: depressant
      The question of cutting spending on the state apparatus is not raised. As well as the question of reducing the state apparatus itself.

      They will rob the people. Shake the last "fat" out of him, as Putin contemptuously called it.
      Colonial capitalism. To maintain the pants of the overseas hegemon, the Lake cooperative will wipe the last skin from the people.
  2. TuM0305
    TuM0305 April 28 2020 13: 32 New
    0
    What do you propose to do except to write on the site? Where to gather How to fight?
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent April 28 2020 07: 03 New
    +7
    Quote: Pessimist22
    The other day I also saw one person who knows what needs to be done, but he does not want to go to the government, he says it is necessary to tax.


    An analogy can be traced:

    A call to a freelance actor vegetating without roles on an extended couch:

    - You are worried about filming. We offer you to act in Hollywood, at Spielberg. The role, however, is not the main one, Schwarzenegger will play the main role, but also a serious one. We can’t offer you extraordinary fees, but you can count on $ 1 per day. Will it suit you?
    - And when the shooting?
    - From December 25 to January 15.
    - Well, no ... I can’t. I have Christmas trees, corporate parties ...
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 April 28 2020 08: 40 New
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      State assistance in Russia:
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 April 28 2020 13: 16 New
        +7
        Humor from the network: "The website of the government of the Russian Federation contains a list of measures to help the population during a pandemic. The largest section is devoted to fines ....
  • podymych
    April 28 2020 08: 56 New
    +1
    Well, it’s not in vain that the great Gabo Marquez and the French President Mitterrand, and not only they, regularly quoted an old joke: Why, as soon as you meet a person who knows politics, it turns out that he already works as a taxi driver or hairdresser
  • iouris
    iouris April 28 2020 10: 34 New
    -3
    This person is absolutely right.
  • Revival
    Revival April 28 2020 14: 51 New
    -1
    And will someone let him go there?
  • Far B
    Far B April 28 2020 05: 43 New
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    A professional economist who for many years manages not to lose credibility in the ranks of the right and the left
    And show me the left, for whom Kudrin is authority? And then I somehow got lost in some strange way.
    For the rest, everything is correct. Only the very elite will be helped. And the rest ... As Siluan said: "We have enough resources, we have reserves, we will continue to support our people." Keyword - "наших".
    1. podymych
      April 28 2020 08: 57 New
      0
      The Communist Party faction, which considers itself left-wing, Kudrina, it seems, simply adores. Especially in his new post.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 28 2020 09: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: podymych
        Communist Party faction counting itself left

        As without a party in the State Duma,allegedly representing the interests of the people?
        Actually, this "tick", the activities of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Zyuganov, and is limited ...
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV April 28 2020 05: 49 New
    +1
    To be honest, the article is blah blah blah .. nothing about, really about anything like blah bda blah the same Kudrin
  • kepmor
    kepmor April 28 2020 06: 17 New
    +7
    the other day, the head of the Ministry of Natural Resources, Kobylkin, reported to our fabulously nullified that climatologists predict an abnormal heat this summer ...
    it seems to me that it will be "hot" not only from the climate ...
    even if after May everyone is released to work, many will return to the "broken trough" with cooled coals ...
    1. depressant
      depressant April 28 2020 08: 13 New
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      And now the end of April.
      What happened since the president instructed the business to pay workers sitting at home as if they were at work and work was in full swing.
      The small entrepreneurs and the self-employed, having gone broke, joined the upper ranks of the poor with the prospect of successively moving to the lower ones. Beggars have become ... beggar. As a result, only in the first week of self-isolation, the detachment of unemployed replenished by 5 million people. How many unemployed to expect? Analysts say: by mid-May we will receive 30 million unemployed. And how many of them will be able to collect papers in order to receive through the labor exchange - no, not the promised minimum wage, do not flatter yourself - at least something.
      The blow to medium-sized businesses is the most painful for the country's economy. Only a few medium-sized enterprises are expected to survive. Indeed, even large ones suffer serious losses due to a reduction in the client base. For example, Russian Railways reduced 53 long-distance personnel, and therefore, personnel. Ural Airlines and, presumably, the rest of the carriers stopped overseas transportation. The pilots and stewardesses were left without work. So the pilots will go abroad, and we have so little of them ...
      The lifestyle of the oligarchy has not changed: a billion more, a billion less - what a difference! And if the wallets of the impoverished laborers remain empty, then through targeted assistance from the "646" list, the slightly impoverished bins of the oligarchy will be replenished, and even poured from above. At the same time, the death of medium-sized businesses for the oligarchs will permanently remove the problem of competition within the country.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 09: 01 New
        +2
        For Russian Railways, passenger transportation is unprofitable, with the exception of certain directions. There were no reductions on Russian Railways; staff schedules were changed. Regarding the situation in aviation: now almost all the civil aviation of the world is on the earth, we are not an exception here, so leaving to work abroad is very, very problematic, on the contrary, our expats in China were the first to lose their jobs.
      2. Snail N9
        Snail N9 April 28 2020 09: 08 New
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        The Russian state, having put its citizens on "self-isolation", "helps" (namely, in quotation marks) them with empty promises from TV screens and the real introduction of fines and new taxes:

        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 14: 46 New
          -2
          It’s a pity not to take you on an excursion to the Botkin hospital. Or in the same Kommunarka. You would be the first to advocate criminal punishment for violation of self-isolation.
          1. Revival
            Revival April 28 2020 14: 59 New
            +3
            Do you intentionally ignore the essence of what was said?
            People are not against self-isolation as such.
            People are against impoverished self-isolation, if people give money, freeze loans and utilities, then no one will be particularly against it, that’s the point.
            1. Japan: For every citizen of the country $ 926.
            2. Germany: for individual entrepreneurs from 50000 to 15000 euros (+ regional payment).
            3. United States: $ 1200 to a person with income below $ 70000 + $ 500 per child. Grocery help.
            4. Hong Kong $ 1200 per person
            Etc.
            Russia: only 14000 people receive increased unemployment benefits.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 15: 01 New
              -5
              And how much is our stabilization fund enough in this case? And what is $ 925 for Japan with their price level?
              1. Revival
                Revival April 28 2020 15: 07 New
                +4
                Ah, got it.
                So we are just beggars and helpless.
                Then there are no questions, "good" breakthrough. Have achieved.
                That is, there is no money, but you hold on.
                Better people rest with hunger and slide into poverty, a classy success.
                As for Japan, I will not say, I just know that we have 0 (a tradition like this), which is even smaller at any price level
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 15: 10 New
                  -3
                  That is money. But spending it unreasonably is definitely not worth it. It is unclear how long this force majeure will last. It would not have gotten worse due to premature exhaustion of funds.
                  1. Revival
                    Revival April 28 2020 15: 13 New
                    +4
                    What does it mean unreasonable? People have nothing to pay and nothing to eat today! Today! What else is reasonably needed?
                    What have all the measures exhausted? All the yachts and palaces requisitioned and allowed to help the people, so to speak, that they did everything, but you still don’t have enough for food?
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 15: 19 New
                      -3
                      Is our stabilization fund formed from yachts and business jets? Why don't you sell your car and give money to those in need? And requisition is a double-edged sword, they will start with yachts and palaces, but they can end up with you and me, someone has "excessive" living space, someone has a curly-haired country house, and someone, horror, has 2 cars in the family. And money, no matter how much you give, will still be small. And then hello default.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival April 28 2020 15: 38 New
                        +3
                        In order to have at least a moral right not to give people money even for food, you must first apply all measures (radically reduce the salaries of officials at the top, etc.) to feed them.
                        Until everything that is possible has been done, you cannot even open your mouth about saying that "there is no money for you, otherwise the budget will crack"!
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 15: 46 New
                        -2
                        I have a lot of examples when people sitting at home get their due 2/3 for forced downtime. For example, a niece who works as a sound engineer in a state theater.
                      3. Revival
                        Revival April 28 2020 16: 48 New
                        +3
                        And millions of examples of those laid off.
                        For example, the Sportmaster network dismisses employees despite a government ban.
                        And what's your particular example?
                        I wrote to you about measures to help a huge mass of people in other states, it is there.
                        In Japan, to everyone!
                        You want to argue with the example of one "assistant conductor", at least somehow argue?
                        Do not try, for you already from the screen they announced "people to help the budget will crack".
                      4. Firelake
                        Firelake April 28 2020 20: 45 New
                        0
                        There is no ban. Sort of.
                      5. Revival
                        Revival April 28 2020 21: 03 New
                        0
                        He is, but like the rest only in speeches on TV. Blah blah and so on.
                      6. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 April 29 2020 13: 32 New
                        0
                        But those who did not retain 90% of the headcount. do not have the right to receive state support.
              2. Revival
                Revival April 28 2020 15: 46 New
                +3
                Yes, it seems to me, rather yachts and palaces are formed from it
  • alone
    alone April 28 2020 12: 18 New
    +5
    Quote: kepmor
    many will return to the "broken trough" with cooled coals ...

    The probability of this is more than high ...
  • Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 April 28 2020 06: 20 New
    +1
    And from as always: who thought and calculated, and thought over the risks, and did NOT take these loans, he would remain fools, and who grabbed them, as I don’t know who, now, having put down his leg, yells: save me!
    1. depressant
      depressant April 28 2020 10: 26 New
      13
      Colleague Arthur 85 ...
      I can not blame the people who grabbed loans, in the shortsightedness. These people are victims of not only a very far-sighted, advertising policy of traders in a comfortable life, but also of the criminal policy of the banking system of the Russian Federation.
      So you tried to take a loan for the development of production? Let's finally figure out the rule of Nobel Laureate James Tobin.
      Consider a standard bank. A lot of people carry their money into it because of the reliability of storage (not under their pillows) and in the hope of getting a deposit interest. In order to ensure this percentage and to weld it up on its own, the bank distributes this money to the business as loans at a slightly higher percentage than the deposit. The difference between credit and deposit interest - this is the bank's gain. If the bank works according to this scheme, everyone is happy: investors receive interest, the bank receives profit, industry develops and flourishes. So the country is flourishing.
      But this is ideal. But actually there is still a stock exchange. It is much easier for a bank to get a good profit by taking client money and participating in exchange speculation through its brokers. What do we have in the end? Customers are satisfied - they receive their deposit interest, the bank is satisfied - he received a tidbit. Industry lonely stands aside and languishes. In her outstretched hand, loans fall only by the residual principle. As a result, the country is languishing. This is what happened to us over the past years. Because the Tobin rule did not work for us, that is, the coefficient for withdrawing exchange earnings in the form of an increased or decreased percentage from exchange speculators. In the entire civilized world, this rule works, but we don’t, I don’t want to speculate and export currency abroad. Which is what our banks did. And they do. Because this is the policy of the Central Bank, which allows speculation on the exchange instead of serious lending to industry.
      Why was it so willingly given out loans to citizens for the purchase of cars, apartments, things, and industry - on a leftover principle? Yes, for many reasons. In particular, because a person taking a loan has a job, it means that he can immediately give the bank interest. Doesn't have - it means a pledge. Industrial enterprise - making a profit takes years. Postponement of payments, "whims". Any bank reluctance to deal with business is a hassle. An ordinary borrower lost his job, can't pay? Collectors!
      So it turns out that over the past years our banking system has worked for itself, only portraying useful activities with the help of safe consumer lending.
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 April 28 2020 22: 53 New
        +1
        Thank you for the detailed answer on the merits. I think this information will be useful to many good
        However, I understand this perfectly well (by the way, there is one more thing: the percentage is higher on consumer loans). But, here's the thing: both the percentage of the deposit and the loan should be determined by the "long arm of the market", that is, competition. And if the rate depends, first of all, on the key rate of the Central Bank, then this pushes me into bad thoughts - that banks stupidly take money from the Central Bank, put their markup, and give it to consumers ... Hence the question: why does the Central Bank lend to banks at all? If he needs to stimulate the economy - give a loan to 1000 of the country's main enterprises - can they not do it directly, without "laying" in the form of commercial banks? Why is that? If the regulatory framework, it needs to be revised, and the whole business.
        And about my first (I repent - malicious) post, I’m tired of it. Law, incl. economic, must be inevitable. Built a self-build - demolish, and pay a fine. Entered the credit chanel - consider yourself a businessman (that is, an adult who makes decisions at his own risk and is ready to experience all the consequences of his decisions). And not ready, so do not start.
        When I was planning to buy an apartment - I was considering the option of an apartment without gasification - I studied the regulatory framework, went to Mezhregiongaz, talked with people, thought ... And refused. I bought another more expensive. And such a lender will silently crash into the pipe, and it is overgrown with daisies ...
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 28 2020 08: 33 New
    +5
    Yesterday I watched a program where the main question was: State aid to people. "Targeted or All at once." What is interesting, the respondents immediately rejected targeted assistance. Because it will not be at the right place. How many times it amazes me the mind of our people. There were proposals during a pandemic or to freeze the rent for everyone or to lower the price for it. Now storytellers are a dime a dozen. Previously, the state punished those who fanned panic. Now I myself have become attached to this.
  • Million
    Million April 28 2020 08: 47 New
    +9
    Yes, pension reform must be abolished!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 28 2020 09: 36 New
      +8
      Quote: Million
      Yes, pension reform must be abolished!

      Or nullify!
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 28 2020 08: 53 New
    +1
    Has gasoline risen in price? Here is the right indicator: utopia, 50% or dystopia ....
  • podymych
    April 28 2020 09: 32 New
    13
    And yet, probably, we will have to publish those same LISTS on Voennoye Obozreniye.
    The country must know its heroes.
    Here is at least one of the "Heroines": Sobchak-related crab company is on the list of backbone! And this is not reported by Meduza and not by marginal oppositionists, but by Vedomosti, which is quite legally engaged with the West, and has just gone through the "optimization" of the group of authors.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 28 2020 17: 09 New
      -6
      Quote: podymych
      Sobchak-related crab company entered the list of backbone

      Well, chernukha started ... did you read the article, or just the headline? The article shows that:

      1. Sobchak was out of business there - she wanted to buy a piece, but broke off
      2. The company on purely formal grounds goes to the list of backbone (signs are given in the article, read at your leisure).
      3. And so on.

  • Hypatius
    Hypatius April 28 2020 09: 53 New
    0
    It is easy to read, the author grows and the syllable becomes clearer. Although Utopia, in the original, is still a concentration camp.
    1. agond
      agond April 28 2020 10: 36 New
      +5
      One thing is not clear, an entrepreneur works for himself at his own peril and risk, (this is defined by the Tax Code), and now they offer to compensate his losses from the pocket of the taxpayer, a party not involved in entrepreneurial fears and risks, and if our business is so sick, that suffocates without these oxygen pads, then why do we basically need it.?
      1. Revival
        Revival April 28 2020 14: 49 New
        +3
        The entrepreneur works at his own risk:
        1. And pays taxes
        2. He is the same citizen and taxpayer
        3. It is proposed to compensate, as it loses due to the actions of the state, and not because it has miscalculated somewhere.
        Nobody ever offers to compensate for his commercial risks, his failures.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 16: 47 New
          -1
          The question is, how did he pay taxes? You can pay them in different ways. And there are also the self-employed, who did not pay taxes from the word "in general". If you twisted cookies to the state, then do not be surprised at the fig in return.
          1. Revival
            Revival April 28 2020 16: 50 New
            +1
            And that, so far, whoever doesn’t help, did they study how he paid taxes? And the one who paid the norms, and why they do not help him?
            Eh?
          2. Revival
            Revival April 28 2020 16: 53 New
            +2
            So you say that the self-employed in Russia is exempt from taxes?
            Or do you claim that you have facts of non-payment by all self-employed taxes?
            Either give evidence or you lied brazenly just to throw it.
            It is difficult when there is nothing to say against the facts, it is more and more difficult to explain to the hungry man that he is full, right?
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 17: 02 New
              +1
              I have not seen a single self-employed (apartment, car repair, all sorts of different manicures at home, co-builders, freelancers of all stripes) who would pay taxes. Do not confuse the self-employed with IPeshniki - they pay taxes.
              1. Revival
                Revival April 28 2020 17: 04 New
                +3
                You have not met, this is an argument, but oh well.
                Why aren't they helping IPs? Moreover, it is two in one and a citizen and a "business"? They paid taxes! Or a tribute, then it is clear, for a tribute no one owes anything.
          3. Cer59
            Cer59 April 28 2020 20: 12 New
            0
            did you work apparently not. so don’t stink, don’t.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 20: 17 New
              +4
              I am IPeshnik. And now I’m working. And taxes, however, I pay. According to the simplified tax system
          4. podymych
            April 28 2020 20: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            The question is, how did he pay taxes? You can pay them in different ways. And there are also the self-employed, who did not pay taxes from the word "in general". If you twisted cookies to the state, then do not be surprised at the fig in return.


            Learn materiel - sometimes useful: “If a citizen is forced to pay for education and medical services, to accumulate a pension from his own funds, to pay housing and utilities in full at the market price, then why do I need such a state ?! Why should I still pay taxes and maintain a crazy army of officials? he always said at all levels that health care, education and science should be provided from the budget. If the state puts this concern on us, let it disappear, it will be much easier for us! "

            This is a well-known quote from the late Zhores Alferov from the book "Power without brains. Who is hindered by academics."
  • veritas
    veritas April 28 2020 10: 09 New
    11
    And why now, under the threat of multimillion-dollar unemployment, not cancel the pension reform? Again dystopia? But to admit your mistakes is the lot of the strong!

    What for. The people are still suffering. And as long as he suffers, the experiment will continue.
    1. podymych
      April 28 2020 14: 09 New
      0
      A pity actually.
      Smartly drives the mistral wave, And the water turned into crystal. What a pity!
  • KSVK
    KSVK April 28 2020 15: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: DEPHIHTO

    Some families create only a lump and not a head, and then they begin to play mortgage roulette. So it’s more correct to ask a question - what for a family to create when behind a soul there is still neither a stake, nor a yard.

    Apparently idiots who want to create families under the current government are becoming smaller and smaller. And all sorts of ersatz type "matkapitalov" do not work. Russia is dying out. Not long left.
  • KSVK
    KSVK April 28 2020 15: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    That is money. But spending it unreasonably is definitely not worth it. It is unclear how long this force majeure will last. It would not have gotten worse due to premature exhaustion of funds.

    What, not all Sberbanks have bought up yet?
    1. agond
      agond April 28 2020 16: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Revival
      Compensation is proposed, as it loses due to the actions of the state,

      Within the walls of the tax inspectorate, you can hear words from conversations of entrepreneurs, for example ...
      The question is, how are you?
      The answer is yes, everything is bad, everything is zero
      with them, this phrase "all by zeros" means that how many it took and returned, like throwing no one, they didn't sell for rubles and there were no new fools (in any business, the deficit of fools always gives rise to a crisis ) therefore, the entrepreneur did not manage to make special profits, and he feels bad. Now let's ask ourselves questions
      1 Is the state obliged to create conditions for entrepreneurs to receive excess profits and at the same time compensate for losses from its shortfall?
      2 Is the state obliged to close its eyes to those violations that take place in business, as they say, “you don’t need to nightmare business”?
      1. Revival
        Revival April 28 2020 17: 09 New
        +4
        No, of course, you are right. The state does not owe anything to anyone.
        Why does it become incomprehensible at the same time, but go on ...
        And why didn’t you think the state should pay the tax? Well, why should an entrepreneur pay a tax to the state if they do not owe anything to each other?
        And do not manipulate about SUPER profit, nobody said about SUPER profit.
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    1. Revival
      Revival April 28 2020 17: 01 New
      +2
      Here is a short one.
      I think the fact is quite simple!
      In the states people are helped, only fines for people are introduced in our territory.
      All...
      And also help, I think, ~ about 0
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF April 28 2020 16: 53 New
    +1
    Surprisingly, everyone knows what needs to be done, but for some reason they don’t, and they don’t want to go to the government, you know, seedlings are suitable.
  • Revival
    Revival April 28 2020 16: 58 New
    +1
    I think the fact is quite simple!
    In the states people are helped, only fines for people are introduced in our territory.
    All...
    And also help, I think, ~ about 0
    1. agond
      agond April 28 2020 18: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Revival
      And why didn’t you think the state should pay the tax? Well, why should an entrepreneur pay a tax to the state if they do not owe anything to each other?

      It is not only businessmen who have to pay taxes, for example, if a land plot or apartment is drawn up for a child from a kindergarten, he is also obliged to pay tax, paying taxes by an entrepreneur is not a favor or a service, it is his duty, and the state is not obliged to create thanks to him bad or good conditions for doing business, the state’s responsibilities are different, including maintaining a balance of interests of both entrepreneurs and non-entrepreneurs
  • Cer59
    Cer59 April 28 2020 20: 08 New
    0
    Oh oh. bitterly, but true.
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 28 2020 21: 25 New
    -1
    There is hardly a need to clarify which industries the chief auditor of the country is talking about, who, by all indications, at this post began to gradually move away from ultra-liberal positions. However, I would very much like to understand why state support, targeted and targeted, will be concentrated on those who are on the very lists, not on these industries at all.


    It is unlikely that this liberalist to the bone marries into a patriot.
  • iouris
    iouris April 28 2020 23: 33 New
    +1
    Orwell was slightly mistaken in the dates, not "1984", but somewhere "2021" ... "2024". Very close.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 April 29 2020 13: 40 New
    0
    Who should stay afloat - a large industrial enterprise with hundreds or thousands of workers, regardless of the form of ownership, or several hundred small Ip-Schnicks and self-employed? If there is a choice, either-or, without options, I am for helping large enterprises.
  • Wolnik
    Wolnik 4 May 2020 14: 08 New
    -7
    The article states the fact. I think that changes for the better will be yes
  • aglet
    aglet 7 May 2020 16: 14 New
    0
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    It’s a pity not to take you on an excursion to the Botkin hospital. Or in the same Kommunarka

    do you work there and there too? and what can you show on this tour if you don’t work there or there? Rumor spread, panic? there are many of you now, and here too. how infovirus multiply