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"Jet food for the Su-30": in Malaysia, appreciated the Chinese fighter FTC-2000G

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Beijing has managed to enter the lucrative market for light combat aircraft (LCA) in ASEAN: the Chinese media presented news on the order by an unnamed country of a batch of FTC-2000G Lead-in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) aircraft.


Who needs a Chinese masterpiece?


This machine, called JL-9 in the PLA, is largely based on the FT-7 / JJ-7 two-seat TCB (NATO designation is Mongol). According to the manufacturer AVIC, the FTC-2000G has a maximum speed of 1,4 Mach (or 1728 km / h), a maximum take-off mass of 11 tons, a maximum range of 1650 km and a ceiling of 15 km. Without additional fuel, it is able to stay in the air for two hours, equipped with “modern radars and SLAs”, has 7 suspensions and a maximum load capacity of 3 tons.

In 2019, six FTC-2000s were delivered to Sudan. Some have decided that Myanmar will become the next foreign operator. However, as indicated by the Malaysia Flying Herald, “The country's air forces are in the midst of modernization, purchasing the MiG-29 supersonic interceptor, the Chengdu / PAC JF-17 Thunder light multipurpose combat aircraft, and a large number of Yak-130 UBS.”

The Yak-130 has already taken on all the role that could be assigned to the FTC-2000G in the process of initial pilot training

- notes the publication, indicating that for similar reasons it was not destined to buy a Chinese car and Laos, which already has 4 Yak-130s and does not need more because of the "lack of access to the sea and external enemies."


FTC-2000G


The true price of “power”


However, the situation is different with Cambodia, which has a "bitter relationship" with Thailand and Vietnam. Hanoi, hiding in the air of the Su-30, is at odds with its ally, China.

At the same time, Cambodia has only five L-39s and two MiG-21-2000s (Israeli modernization). The remaining machines, as noted by the publication, are in disrepair. Against this background, the Chinese media present the FTC-2000 as a "powerful fighter." According to the Malaysia Flying Herald, he will only perform in such a collision with the Vietnamese Su-22, F-5T Tigris and KAI T-50TH Golden Eagle.

However, pointing to this, it should be understood that the FTC-2000G will become a "jet food" for the Vietnamese Su-30 (Su-30MKM)

- concludes the publication Malaysia Flying Herald, noting that the Chinese car has nothing to oppose and aviation Thailand, if there will be an air battle with the F-16 Fighting Falcon and SAAB JAS-39C / D Gripen.

At the same time, one should pay attention to the experience of the pilots: “Cambodian pilots are clearly not enough of the valor obtained during the preparation”.


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  2. V.I.P.
    V.I.P. April 26 2020 15: 17 New
    +4
    I wonder what radar station is installed on it, its performance characteristics. What air combat missiles does it use.?
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 April 26 2020 17: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: V.I.P.
      Interestingly

      And the power plant? Interesting too.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 27 2020 10: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: IL-18
        And the power plant? Interesting too

        The FTC-2000G export light fighter is a further development of the FTC-2000 Shanying training aircraft with improved combat capabilities. Maximum payload weight of 3 tons at 7 nodes of the suspension (missiles PL-8 and PL-9), max. take-off weight 9,3 tons, max. speed - 1,6M, engine - turbofan WS14 with afterburner pull 7800 kgf
      2. venik
        venik April 27 2020 11: 09 New
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        Quote: IL-18
        And the power plant? Interesting too.

        ==========
        It’s easier with this: 1 turbojet Guizhou Liyang WP-13F (C) - 44,1 kN (66,7 kN afterburner)
        (modification of our R-25-300, which stood on later versions of the MiG-21)
    2. venik
      venik April 26 2020 17: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: V.I.P.
      I wonder which radar is installed on it, its performance characteristics

      ========
      I won’t say anything about it - most likely PFAR with modest indicators (otherwise it would be too expensive for not the richest countries).
      --------
      Quote: V.I.P.
      What air combat missiles does it use.?

      ====
      Здесть проще: Вооружение JL-9 общей массой до 2000 кг размещается на пяти узлах внешней подвески (четырех подкрыльевых и центральном под-фюзеляжном) и может включать УР класса "воздух-воздух" (ближнего боя) с ТГС типа PL-8 (китайская версия советской К-13) и PL-9, а также НАР и свобод-нопадающие авиабомбы. Кроме того, под фюзеляжем установлена 23-мм пушка "Тип 23" (китайская версия ГШ-23Л).
      PL-9 скорее всего - "нелицензионная копия" американской AIM-9L/M Sidewinder
      hi
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 April 27 2020 09: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: venik
        I won’t say anything about it - most likely ...

        wassat
  3. knn54
    knn54 April 26 2020 15: 19 New
    +2
    Cambodia is almost bought up by China in the bud.
    1. Mityasha
      Mityasha April 26 2020 15: 25 New
      +5
      And who has not yet been bought by China? 14 years ago, I had to serve in Sudan, because there everything is Chinese in the markets, except for fruits and vegetables. And they intermeddle everywhere and gave out money ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather April 26 2020 15: 35 New
        -3
        даже на первый,не очень искушённый взгляд,понятно,что это "недосамолёт" даже по архитектуре... штурмовик..?.не...,истребитель ...? я вас умоляю.. скорее это поделка "для бедных".может негры купят...
        1. figwam
          figwam April 26 2020 15: 55 New
          13
          I see that the basis of all this Mig-21
          Mig-21
          FTC-2000
          FTC-2000G
          1. Mityasha
            Mityasha April 26 2020 16: 00 New
            0
            I think the basis of the F-5, they are very similar.
            1. figwam
              figwam April 26 2020 16: 09 New
              11
              Quote: Mityasha
              I think the basis of the F-5, they are very similar.

              With the F-5 they look like a sharp nose and that's it.
            2. Grandfather
              Grandfather April 26 2020 16: 14 New
              11
              Quote: Mityasha
              I think the basis of the F-5, they are very similar.

              Monsieur knows a lot about perversions? wassatthere the ass from the MiG 21, the wing of the Yak 130, and the muzzle on the radar is already stuck together, which has entered ...
              1. Mityasha
                Mityasha April 26 2020 17: 36 New
                +3
                No, Monsieur is very conservative, but the muzzle and came across this thought was not at hand the whole profile from the Yankees. Considered, I agree that .ope is similar, and the face is from North America ...
            3. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 April 27 2020 10: 31 New
              +2
              Quote: Mityasha
              I think the basis of the F-5, they are very similar.

              The mountain eagle is created on the basis of the UBS JJ-7 (MiG-21U)
          2. Grandfather
            Grandfather April 26 2020 16: 13 New
            +4
            I see that the basis of all this Mig-21
            "попа" сразу натолкнула на эту мысль.... yes
          3. Avior
            Avior April 26 2020 16: 44 New
            0
            Guizhou JL-9 is a Chinese combat training aircraft developed by Guizhou based on Guizhou JJ-7 (a Chinese copy of the MiG-21U) [2].

            The aircraft is offered for export under the designation FTC-2000 Mountain Eagle and is equipped with the Italian Grifo S-7 radar.


            FTC-2000G is an export version of the JL-9G, first introduced at Airshow China 2012 in Zhuhai [5]. In the future, the aircraft is planned to be equipped with the Liming WP-14C Kunlun-3 engine with maximum thrust on afterburner 76,5 kN.

            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_JL-9
          4. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell April 26 2020 16: 45 New
            +8
            hi He grew up from the 21st, more precisely from the Chinese F-7, then to the JL-9 TCB and only then to FTC-2000. Recently there was an article where the JL-9 was presented as a TCB for the Chinese fleet, it can withstand loads
            1. IL-18
              IL-18 April 26 2020 17: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              good load bearing

              In the seventies there was a feature film, as in the MiG-21 a piece of pine was found after a flight. There, the pilot alone loved aerobatics with the risk of doing.
              1. Private-K
                Private-K April 27 2020 08: 34 New
                0
                There was a case in the German Democratic Republic: our MiG-23M demolished a telegraph pole with its wing and did not even notice the pilot - only a piece of pillar stuck in the wing was found at the airport.
          5. IL-18
            IL-18 April 26 2020 17: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: figvam
            I see that the basis of all this Mig-21

            It did not take a long time to look for a comment about the similarity with -21m. good .
            Tail and gargot, well, straight, caused nostalgia. In childhood, the magazine photo was with a yellow MiG-21, which southern country, I do not remember. A lot of them scattered around the world.
            1. Mityasha
              Mityasha April 26 2020 17: 39 New
              +1
              honestly, I didn’t see the similarities between keel and gargrot ...
              1. IL-18
                IL-18 April 26 2020 17: 43 New
                +3
                And with f-5, well, finally bully
                1. Mityasha
                  Mityasha April 26 2020 17: 47 New
                  +1
                  that is not, the face is even very nothing ...
                  1. IL-18
                    IL-18 April 26 2020 17: 51 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Mityasha
                    face even very nothing ...

                    This is because of the locator. laughing otherwise the air intake would be attached even from the MiG-21.
                    1. EvilLion
                      EvilLion April 28 2020 12: 59 New
                      +1
                      It is there, on the nose, that the air intake and the place, because there are minimal disturbances, the problem is precisely the location of the radars in the nose. But on missiles, a pipe scheme is found.
                      1. IL-18
                        IL-18 April 29 2020 00: 54 New
                        0
                        I like these comments good
          6. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z April 26 2020 18: 36 New
            -4
            Quote: figvam
            I see that the basis of all this Mig-21

            And I saw the profile in relatives Phantom.

            I used to read that he was like the 21st.
            1. Jager
              Jager April 28 2020 14: 06 New
              0
              Well, so with IL-2 they have something in common laughing
          7. bayard
            bayard April 26 2020 19: 24 New
            +3
            Хвост(стабилизатор) , рули высоты и скорее всего двигатель - от МиГ-21 , это очевидно . Крыло - от F-5E "Тайгер" , во всяком случае его наплыв , подобное(но без такого наплыва) крыло с переменной стреловидностью по передней кромке было у китайских версий МиГ-21 .
            In general, a good replacement for the F-5E for poor countries. If it is just as easy to maintain and pilot. The thrust ratio is at least much higher.
          8. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx April 27 2020 11: 12 New
            0
            From the language removed ...
          9. EvilLion
            EvilLion April 28 2020 13: 00 New
            0
            So the F-7 is the MiG-21.
        2. Alexander mosin
          Alexander mosin April 27 2020 15: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Dead Day
          даже на первый,не очень искушённый взгляд,понятно,что это "недосамолёт" даже по архитектуре... штурмовик..?.не...,истребитель ...? я вас умоляю.. скорее это поделка "для бедных".может негры купят...

          Тут важна цена! Судя по ТТХ (скорость, потолок, нагрузка) он получше Як130 будет, тем более если цена одинакова, или даже ниже. Ведь оба УБСы, с возможностью вести бой, но китаец вроде более приспособлен к бою, интересно было бы СУО обоих машин сравнить. Кстати у китайцев есть ещё и свой аналог Як130, Hongdu L-15, который благодаря укропским движкам быстрее Яка на 50%!!! имеет на 4км выше потолок и на 50% дешевле. Китай прямой конкурент России на рынке вооружений, как раз страны 3го мира, отчасти развивающиеся страны, негры и азиаты "нищие" покупают китайское и российское вооружение.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion April 28 2020 13: 05 New
            0
            If the L-15 is cheaper than the Yak, then let me tell you about the fact that in China the salaries are already higher than the Russian ones, I will listen.

            And in order to make a combat aircraft out of a Yak-130, you need to put a bunch of everything on it, and its price will fly up. At the same time, supersonic fusion is rarely done, because other types of aerodynamics are used in supersonic sound, in particular, the cone with the best flow around it is a cone, therefore all fighters have sharp noses. This means that the aircraft should support more modes, and sharpening to supersonic makes it less effective in typical modes for TCB. So the Chinese simply ponte, unlike the Koreans, who just want to unify even at the cost of more expensive TCB.
  4. Mityasha
    Mityasha April 26 2020 15: 21 New
    +3
    Unpromising car! However, in Africa there are people who want to, the Chinese are able to offer, do not chase the maximum profit.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 27 2020 09: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Mityasha
      However, in Africa there are those who wish, the Chinese are able to offer, do not chase the maximum profit.

      The traditional buyer of Chinese aircraft is Pakistan, perhaps he will drink the aircraft indicated ....
  5. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 26 2020 15: 45 New
    +3
    "Реактивный корм" - смешно.))))
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 April 26 2020 16: 20 New
    +3
    The truth is somewhere ... I don’t want to say, but in battle it is known.
  7. FIR FIR
    FIR FIR April 26 2020 17: 51 New
    +3
    "Если создание УБС L-15 было, по всей видимости, обусловлено потребностями не только внутреннего, но и внешнего авиационных рынков, то разработчики учебно-боевого самолета FTC-2000 ориентировались, в первую очередь, на военную авиацию самой КНР, где в строевых эскадрильях и учебных центрах ВВС эксплуатируются, в основном, двухместные учебно-боевые машины JJ-6 и JJ-7. По своим летным характеристикам эти самолеты (особенно JJ-7) удовлетворяют современным требованиям военно-воздушных сил, но по уровню бортового оборудования и вооружения они соответствуют лишь второму поколению реактивной боевой авиации и не могут достаточно эффективно использоваться при подготовке летчиков для истребителей поколений "4" и "4+" (FC-1, J-10, Су-27 и Су-ЗОМК), поступающих с конца 1990-х годов на вооружение НОАК".
    Quote from 2002 ....
    The calculation was for third world countries with a limited budget.
    But in the end it turned out that there are much more advanced cars that are slightly more expensive.
    КНР остается лишь демпинговать, отдавая за копейки свои "новинки".
  8. Revolver
    Revolver April 26 2020 20: 40 New
    0
    Add to this the world-famous Chinese workmanship and assembly quality. request
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 April 27 2020 09: 06 New
      +2
      Ага, все на iPhone и iPad и пр. так и жалуются.... у самого дома, поди все, конечно не "китайское", а только изготовленное(собранное) в "качественных" странах .... winked
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 27 2020 17: 17 New
        0
        But I have neither an iPad nor an iPhone. I don’t fundamentally buy Apple since the last century after the news flashed that Apple sponsored a rainbow parade. Moreover, now they have an open rainbow general manager (well, or blue, if that’s more clear to you). And the Samsung that I buy is made in Korea. Not Europe, of course, but not China.
        And in general, they do one thing on a contract for Western companies, using Western equipment and technologies, from which they have no right to deviate from a micron, and the Chinese there is only cheap labor, trained to carry out their operation, and not even understanding its place in full technological process. And it’s a completely different matter when they themselves develop the technology. Take at least Chinese jet engines. They look exactly like the Russians with whom they torn. But they develop less traction, but they burn out faster.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 April 27 2020 17: 24 New
          0
          "Прогорают быстрее"..... laughing hi
  9. Private-K
    Private-K April 27 2020 08: 36 New
    +1
    There are no cheap but effective solutions in modern aviation!
  10. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft April 27 2020 09: 28 New
    +1
    not destined to buy a Chinese car and Laos, which already has 4 Yak-130 and does not need more because of the "lack of access to the sea and external enemies."

    Firstly, the aforementioned aircraft were not purchased by Laos in exchange for the already ready-made MiG-21s, but for the training of flight personnel, and accordingly the purchase of aviation equipment will continue ....
    In addition, Russian engineers restored the Lao Air Force air force, including upgrading the runway and replacing all navigation equipment, it is unlikely that they began to do this for the sake of 4 Yak-130s ....
    Secondly, the author’s logic about the absence of the need to have combat training aircraft is incomprehensible only because of the lack of access to the Laos Sea ... following the author’s logic, Belarus is not needed either ....
    В третьих, по поводу отсутствия врагов у Лаоса, между тем еще в 80-х - 90-х годах у Лаоса с "ампириалистическим" и проамериканским Таиландом имелись военные приграничные конфликты....
    Перевооружение всех Лаосских ВС российским В и ВТ, поддерживается КНР и СРВ ("старшими братьями Лаоса"), которые однако не хотят портить отношения с США и Таиландом...
  11. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel April 27 2020 11: 51 New
    +1
    Kitayose fellows - carried out a deep modernization of the MiG-21 airframe and its layout. Now it’s more maneuverable and more powerful radar in the nose fairing. So it turned out FTC-2000G
  12. Mityasha
    Mityasha April 27 2020 15: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Lara Croft

    In addition, Russian engineers restored the Lao Air Force air force, including upgrading the runway and replacing all navigation equipment, it is unlikely that they began to do this for the sake of 4 Yak-130s ....

    No. "откуда дровишки....."
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 27 2020 16: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Mityasha
      Quote: Lara Croft

      In addition, Russian engineers restored the Lao Air Force air force, including upgrading the runway and replacing all navigation equipment, it is unlikely that they began to do this for the sake of 4 Yak-130s ....

      No. "откуда дровишки....."

      Такая передача есть "Военная приемка", на телеканале "Звезда"
      Laos. Russian sappers against American bombs. from 05.04.2020/11/XNUMX (watch the video from XNUMX minutes)
      https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/201412231323-1cpc.htm/202045916-Uk6UX.html
      There you can also see about the delivery of the Yak-130 to Laos ....
      Yak-130 in Laos. Or military diplomacy in the jungle. from 17.02.2019, there by the way the local uncle said that this is not the last batch of aircraft purchased by Laos ....
      https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/201412231323-1cpc.htm/201902171007-6pnn.htm
      However, if you are not banned in Google and the phalanxes of your fingers are intact, you can find a bunch of sources on this subject, we have a free country to choose for yourself .... I don’t impose your sources ....
      1. Mityasha
        Mityasha April 27 2020 18: 32 New
        +1
        if you read carefully, then I asked not about the supply of yak, but about modernization, etc. No.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 27 2020 18: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Mityasha
          if you read carefully, then I asked not about the supply of yak, but about modernization, etc. No.

          You didn’t carefully watch my link to the video ...
          Такая передача есть "Военная приемка", на телеканале "Звезда"
          Laos. Russian sappers against American bombs. from 05.04.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX (watch video from 11 minutes)
          https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/201412231323-1cpc.htm/202045916-Uk6UX.html
          1. Mityasha
            Mityasha April 27 2020 19: 01 New
            +1
            Lara, why so much aggression? ... fingers banned in google ...
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 27 2020 19: 04 New
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              Quote: Mityasha
              Lara, why so much aggression? ... fingers banned in google ...

              Provoke? It seems that from the beginning everything was written anti-legally, in Russian .... and you started trolling ... your superficial answered a question and even more, no thanks ...
              1. Mityasha
                Mityasha April 27 2020 19: 07 New
                +1
                but what provocation is there, it’s just rude and not at all antillegent. Pokeda!
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft April 27 2020 19: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mityasha
                  but what provocation is there, it’s just rude and not at all antillegent. Pokeda!

                  Извиняюсь У "местных" научился.
                  1. Mityasha
                    Mityasha April 27 2020 19: 23 New
                    +1
                    hi See you there!
  13. Kosh
    Kosh April 27 2020 19: 58 New
    +1
    And for what reason the FTC-2000G is called a fighter when it has been a combat training aircraft all its life, which can be used as a light combat aircraft if necessary.
  14. Sniper Amateur
    Sniper Amateur April 28 2020 07: 11 New
    -2
    The Yak-130 has already taken on all the role that could be assigned to the FTC-2000G in the process of initial pilot training

    This is just some kind of holiday!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC8d3roRSO4
    Neither FTC-2000. neither Yak-130 - not intended for initial training.
  15. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 28 2020 09: 59 New
    0
    Even the Korean F-50 should surpass Chinese begging in avionics, and in terms of performance characteristics, since it is bigger and has a normal engine.

    In principle, it is not intended for anything more than intercepting any unarmed aircraft and striking targets without serious air defense.