"Jet food for the Su-30": in Malaysia, appreciated the Chinese fighter FTC-2000G

Beijing has managed to enter the lucrative market for light combat aircraft (LCA) in ASEAN: the Chinese media presented news on the order by an unnamed country of a batch of FTC-2000G Lead-in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) aircraft.

Who needs a Chinese masterpiece?

This machine, called JL-9 in the PLA, is largely based on the FT-7 / JJ-7 two-seat TCB (NATO designation is Mongol). According to the manufacturer AVIC, the FTC-2000G has a maximum speed of 1,4 Mach (or 1728 km / h), a maximum take-off mass of 11 tons, a maximum range of 1650 km and a ceiling of 15 km. Without additional fuel, it is able to stay in the air for two hours, equipped with “modern radars and SLAs”, has 7 suspensions and a maximum load capacity of 3 tons.

In 2019, six FTC-2000s were delivered to Sudan. Some have decided that Myanmar will become the next foreign operator. However, as indicated by the Malaysia Flying Herald, “The country's air forces are in the midst of modernization, purchasing the MiG-29 supersonic interceptor, the Chengdu / PAC JF-17 Thunder light multipurpose combat aircraft, and a large number of Yak-130 UBS.”

The Yak-130 has already taken on all the role that could be assigned to the FTC-2000G in the process of initial pilot training

- notes the publication, indicating that for similar reasons it was not destined to buy a Chinese car and Laos, which already has 4 Yak-130s and does not need more because of the "lack of access to the sea and external enemies."

FTC-2000G

The true price of “power”

However, the situation is different with Cambodia, which has a "bitter relationship" with Thailand and Vietnam. Hanoi, hiding in the air of the Su-30, is at odds with its ally, China.

At the same time, Cambodia has only five L-39s and two MiG-21-2000s (Israeli modernization). The remaining machines, as noted by the publication, are in disrepair. Against this background, the Chinese media present the FTC-2000 as a "powerful fighter." According to the Malaysia Flying Herald, he will only perform in such a collision with the Vietnamese Su-22, F-5T Tigris and KAI T-50TH Golden Eagle.

However, pointing to this, it should be understood that the FTC-2000G will become a "jet food" for the Vietnamese Su-30 (Su-30MKM)

- concludes the publication Malaysia Flying Herald, noting that the Chinese car has nothing to oppose and aviation Thailand, if there will be an air battle with the F-16 Fighting Falcon and SAAB JAS-39C / D Gripen.

At the same time, one should pay attention to the experience of the pilots: “Cambodian pilots are clearly not enough of the valor obtained during the preparation”.

Su-30MKM

Comments

[V.I.P.]

I wonder what radar station is installed on it, its performance characteristics. What air combat missiles does it use.?

[IL-18]

Quote: V.I.P.

Interestingly

And the power plant? Interesting too.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: IL-18

And the power plant? Interesting too

The FTC-2000G export light fighter is a further development of the FTC-2000 Shanying training aircraft with improved combat capabilities. Maximum payload weight of 3 tons at 7 nodes of the suspension (missiles PL-8 and PL-9), max. take-off weight 9,3 tons, max. speed - 1,6M, engine - turbofan WS14 with afterburner pull 7800 kgf

[venik]

Quote: IL-18

And the power plant? Interesting too.

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It’s easier with this: 1 turbojet Guizhou Liyang WP-13F (C) - 44,1 kN (66,7 kN afterburner)
(modification of our R-25-300, which stood on later versions of the MiG-21)

[venik]

Quote: V.I.P.

I wonder which radar is installed on it, its performance characteristics

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I won’t say anything about it - most likely PFAR with modest indicators (otherwise it would be too expensive for not the richest countries).
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Quote: V.I.P.

What air combat missiles does it use.?

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It's simpler here: Armament JL-9 with a total weight of up to 2000 kg is located on five nodes of the external suspension (four underwing and a central under-fuselage) and can include an air-to-air missile (close combat) missile launcher with a PL-8 type TGS (Chinese version Soviet K-13) and PL-9, as well as NAR and free-falling bombs. In addition, a 23-mm Type 23 cannon (Chinese version of the GSh-23L) is installed under the fuselage.
PL-9 is most likely an "unlicensed copy" of the American AIM-9L / M Sidewinder

[Vladimir16]

Quote: venik

I won’t say anything about it - most likely ...

[knn54]

Cambodia is almost bought up by China in the bud.

[Mityasha]

And who has not yet been bought by China? 14 years ago, I had to serve in Sudan, because there everything is Chinese in the markets, except for fruits and vegetables. And they intermeddle everywhere and gave out money ...

[Grandfather]

even at first, not very sophisticated glance, it is clear that this is an "underplane" even in architecture ... an attack aircraft ...? ... not ..., a fighter ...? I beg you .. rather, this is a hack "for the poor."

[figwam]

I see that the basis of all this Mig-21

Mig-21

FTC-2000

FTC-2000G

[Mityasha]

I think the basis of the F-5, they are very similar.

[figwam]

Quote: Mityasha

I think the basis of the F-5, they are very similar.

With the F-5 they look like a sharp nose and that's it.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Mityasha

I think the basis of the F-5, they are very similar.

Monsieur knows a lot about perversions? there the ass from the MiG 21, the wing of the Yak 130, and the muzzle on the radar is already stuck together, which has entered ...

[Mityasha]

No, Monsieur is very conservative, but the muzzle and came across this thought was not at hand the whole profile from the Yankees. Considered, I agree that .ope is similar, and the face is from North America ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mityasha

I think the basis of the F-5, they are very similar.

The mountain eagle is created on the basis of the UBS JJ-7 (MiG-21U)

[Grandfather]

I see that the basis of all this Mig-21

"priest" immediately prompted this idea ....

[Avior]

Guizhou JL-9 is a Chinese combat training aircraft developed by Guizhou based on Guizhou JJ-7 (a Chinese copy of the MiG-21U) [2].

The aircraft is offered for export under the designation FTC-2000 Mountain Eagle and is equipped with the Italian Grifo S-7 radar.

FTC-2000G is an export version of the JL-9G, first introduced at Airshow China 2012 in Zhuhai [5]. In the future, the aircraft is planned to be equipped with the Liming WP-14C Kunlun-3 engine with maximum thrust on afterburner 76,5 kN.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_JL-9

[Pete mitchell]

He grew up from the 21st, more precisely from the Chinese F-7, then to the JL-9 TCB and only then to FTC-2000. Recently there was an article where the JL-9 was presented as a TCB for the Chinese fleet, it can withstand loads

[IL-18]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

good load bearing

In the seventies there was a feature film, as in the MiG-21 a piece of pine was found after a flight. There, the pilot alone loved aerobatics with the risk of doing.

[Private-K]

There was a case in the German Democratic Republic: our MiG-23M demolished a telegraph pole with its wing and did not even notice the pilot - only a piece of pillar stuck in the wing was found at the airport.

[IL-18]

Quote: figvam

I see that the basis of all this Mig-21

It did not take a long time to look for a comment about the similarity with -21m. .
Tail and gargot, well, straight, caused nostalgia. In childhood, the magazine photo was with a yellow MiG-21, which southern country, I do not remember. A lot of them scattered around the world.

[Mityasha]

honestly, I didn’t see the similarities between keel and gargrot ...

[IL-18]

And with f-5, well, finally

[Mityasha]

that is not, the face is even very nothing ...

[IL-18]

Quote: Mityasha

face even very nothing ...

This is because of the locator. otherwise the air intake would be attached even from the MiG-21.

[EvilLion]

It is there, on the nose, that the air intake and the place, because there are minimal disturbances, the problem is precisely the location of the radars in the nose. But on missiles, a pipe scheme is found.

[IL-18]

I like these comments

[Starover_Z]

Quote: figvam

I see that the basis of all this Mig-21

And I saw the profile in relatives Phantom.

I used to read that he was like the 21st.

[Jager]

Well, so with IL-2 they have something in common

[bayard]

The tail (stabilizer), elevators and most likely the engine are from the MiG-21, this is obvious. The wing is from the F-5E "Tiger", in any case its inflow, a similar (but without such inflow) wing with variable sweep along the leading edge was in the Chinese versions of the MiG-21.
In general, a good replacement for the F-5E for poor countries. If it is just as easy to maintain and pilot. The thrust ratio is at least much higher.

[Al_lexx]

From the language removed ...

[EvilLion]

So the F-7 is the MiG-21.

[Alexander mosin]

Quote: Dead Day

even at first, not very sophisticated glance, it is clear that this is an "underplane" even in architecture ... an attack aircraft ...? ... not ..., a fighter ...? I beg you .. rather, this is a hack "for the poor."

The price is important here! Judging by the performance characteristics (speed, ceiling, load), it will be better than the Yak130, especially if the price is the same, or even lower. After all, both UBSs, with the ability to fight, but the Chinese seem to be more adapted to combat, it would be interesting to compare the OMS of both vehicles. By the way, the Chinese also have their own analogue of the Yak130, Hongdu L-15, which, thanks to the Ukrop engines, is 50% faster than the Yak !!! has 4 km higher ceiling and 50% cheaper. China is a direct competitor of Russia in the arms market, just the countries of the third world, partly developing countries, Negroes and Asians "beggars" buy Chinese and Russian weapons.

[EvilLion]

If the L-15 is cheaper than the Yak, then let me tell you about the fact that in China the salaries are already higher than the Russian ones, I will listen.

And in order to make a combat aircraft out of a Yak-130, you need to put a bunch of everything on it, and its price will fly up. At the same time, supersonic fusion is rarely done, because other types of aerodynamics are used in supersonic sound, in particular, the cone with the best flow around it is a cone, therefore all fighters have sharp noses. This means that the aircraft should support more modes, and sharpening to supersonic makes it less effective in typical modes for TCB. So the Chinese simply ponte, unlike the Koreans, who just want to unify even at the cost of more expensive TCB.

[Mityasha]

Unpromising car! However, in Africa there are people who want to, the Chinese are able to offer, do not chase the maximum profit.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mityasha

However, in Africa there are those who wish, the Chinese are able to offer, do not chase the maximum profit.

The traditional buyer of Chinese aircraft is Pakistan, perhaps he will drink the aircraft indicated ....

[Retvizan 8]

"Jet feed" - funny.))))

[rocket757]

The truth is somewhere ... I don’t want to say, but in battle it is known.

[FIR FIR]

"If the creation of the UBS L-15 was, most likely, due to the needs of not only the domestic, but also the external aviation markets, then the developers of the FTC-2000 combat trainer focused, first of all, on the military aviation of the PRC itself, where in combat squadrons and training centers of the Air Force, mainly two-seat combat training vehicles JJ-6 and JJ-7 are operated.In terms of their flight characteristics, these aircraft (especially JJ-7) meet the modern requirements of the air force, but in terms of the level of onboard equipment and weapons they correspond only to the second generation of jet combat aviation and cannot be effectively used in training pilots for fighters of generations "4" and "4+" (FC-1, J-10, Su-27 and Su-ZOMK) arriving from the end of 1990- x years into service with the PLA. "
Quote from 2002 ....
The calculation was for third world countries with a limited budget.
But in the end it turned out that there are much more advanced cars that are slightly more expensive.
The PRC can only dump, giving its "new products" for a penny.

[Revolver]

Add to this the world-famous Chinese workmanship and assembly quality.

[Snail N9]

Yeah, everyone on the iPhone and iPad, etc. is complaining .... right at home, go and everything, of course not "Chinese", but only made (assembled) in "high-quality" countries ....

[Revolver]

But I have neither an iPad nor an iPhone. I don’t fundamentally buy Apple since the last century after the news flashed that Apple sponsored a rainbow parade. Moreover, now they have an open rainbow general manager (well, or blue, if that’s more clear to you). And the Samsung that I buy is made in Korea. Not Europe, of course, but not China.
And in general, they do one thing on a contract for Western companies, using Western equipment and technologies, from which they have no right to deviate from a micron, and the Chinese there is only cheap labor, trained to carry out their operation, and not even understanding its place in full technological process. And it’s a completely different matter when they themselves develop the technology. Take at least Chinese jet engines. They look exactly like the Russians with whom they torn. But they develop less traction, but they burn out faster.

[Snail N9]

"Burn out faster" .....

[Private-K]

There are no cheap but effective solutions in modern aviation!

[Lara Croft]

not destined to buy a Chinese car and Laos, which already has 4 Yak-130 and does not need more because of the "lack of access to the sea and external enemies."

Firstly, the aforementioned aircraft were not purchased by Laos in exchange for the already ready-made MiG-21s, but for the training of flight personnel, and accordingly the purchase of aviation equipment will continue ....
In addition, Russian engineers restored the Lao Air Force air force, including upgrading the runway and replacing all navigation equipment, it is unlikely that they began to do this for the sake of 4 Yak-130s ....
Secondly, the author’s logic about the absence of the need to have combat training aircraft is incomprehensible only because of the lack of access to the Laos Sea ... following the author’s logic, Belarus is not needed either ....
Third, due to the absence of enemies in Laos, meanwhile, back in the 80s and 90s, Laos had military border conflicts with "empirical" and pro-American Thailand ....
The rearmament of all Lao Armed Forces with Russian military and military equipment is supported by the PRC and Vietnam ("the elder brothers of Laos"), which, however, do not want to spoil relations with the United States and Thailand ...

[Black Colonel]

Kitayose fellows - carried out a deep modernization of the MiG-21 airframe and its layout. Now it’s more maneuverable and more powerful radar in the nose fairing. So it turned out FTC-2000G

[Mityasha]

Quote: Lara Croft

In addition, Russian engineers restored the Lao Air Force air force, including upgrading the runway and replacing all navigation equipment, it is unlikely that they began to do this for the sake of 4 Yak-130s ....

"where did the firewood come from ....."

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mityasha

Quote: Lara Croft

In addition, Russian engineers restored the Lao Air Force air force, including upgrading the runway and replacing all navigation equipment, it is unlikely that they began to do this for the sake of 4 Yak-130s ....

"where did the firewood come from ....."

Such a program is "Military acceptance" on the TV channel "Zvezda"
Laos. Russian sappers against American bombs. from 05.04.2020/11/XNUMX (watch the video from XNUMX minutes)
https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/201412231323-1cpc.htm/202045916-Uk6UX.html
There you can also see about the delivery of the Yak-130 to Laos ....
Yak-130 in Laos. Or military diplomacy in the jungle. from 17.02.2019, there by the way the local uncle said that this is not the last batch of aircraft purchased by Laos ....
https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/201412231323-1cpc.htm/201902171007-6pnn.htm
However, if you are not banned in Google and the phalanxes of your fingers are intact, you can find a bunch of sources on this subject, we have a free country to choose for yourself .... I don’t impose your sources ....

[Mityasha]

if you read carefully, then I asked not about the supply of yak, but about modernization, etc.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mityasha

if you read carefully, then I asked not about the supply of yak, but about modernization, etc.

You didn’t carefully watch my link to the video ...

Such a program is "Military acceptance" on the TV channel "Zvezda"
Laos. Russian sappers against American bombs. from 05.04.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX (watch video from 11 minutes)
https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/201412231323-1cpc.htm/202045916-Uk6UX.html

[Mityasha]

Lara, why so much aggression? ... fingers banned in google ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mityasha

Lara, why so much aggression? ... fingers banned in google ...

Provoke? It seems that from the beginning everything was written anti-legally, in Russian .... and you started trolling ... your superficial answered a question and even more, no thanks ...

[Mityasha]

but what provocation is there, it’s just rude and not at all antillegent. Pokeda!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mityasha

but what provocation is there, it’s just rude and not at all antillegent. Pokeda!

Sorry I learned from the "locals".

[Mityasha]

See you there!

[Kosh]

And for what reason the FTC-2000G is called a fighter when it has been a combat training aircraft all its life, which can be used as a light combat aircraft if necessary.

[Sniper Amateur]

The Yak-130 has already taken on all the role that could be assigned to the FTC-2000G in the process of initial pilot training

This is just some kind of holiday!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC8d3roRSO4
Neither FTC-2000. neither Yak-130 - not intended for initial training.

[EvilLion]

Even the Korean F-50 should surpass Chinese begging in avionics, and in terms of performance characteristics, since it is bigger and has a normal engine.

In principle, it is not intended for anything more than intercepting any unarmed aircraft and striking targets without serious air defense.