Swiss army ordered Mörser 16 self-propelled mortar systems

Swiss army ordered Mörser 16 self-propelled mortar systems

The Swiss army will soon receive a modified 120-mm self-propelled mortar complex Mörser 16. The Swiss Federal Ministry of Defense, Civil Defense and Sports announced the completion of tests of this complex.


In January 2016, the Swiss Defense Ministry signed a contract with the Swiss company RUAG for the supply of 32 Mörser 16 self-propelled mortar systems, 12 transport vehicles, ammunition and related equipment. The delivery was supposed to take place from 2018 to 2022, however, tests of the first prototypes revealed numerous shortcomings in both the firing unit and the fire control system. After that, the complexes were refined to a level that satisfied the Swiss military. Now, the refined complexes will begin to enter the armed forces only in 2024.

The installation itself is a installation of the 120 mm Cobra automated mortar system developed by RUAG on the chassis of Piranha IV armored personnel carriers with an 8x8 wheel arrangement. The main element of the system is a 120 mm smoothbore mortar, loaded from the barrel. The standard barrel length is 2 m. There is also a modification with a trunk shortened to 1,6 m. The barrel is suspended on hydropneumatic recoil devices and is connected with guidance systems.


Directly above the barrel is placed loading mechanism. The ammunition is offered to be laid manually on the machine, after which the mechanisms independently send it in the direction of the barrel and are placed in a tubular cassette. Then the cassette is aligned with the mortar point, and the mine goes into the barrel. After removing the cassette from the barrel, a shot is fired. The moving parts of the loading mechanism operating near the muzzle of the mortar are equipped with shields.

At the request of the customer, the Cobra system can be manufactured without a loading mechanism. In this case, the mortar turns into a muzzle-loading gun with manual loading, but retains all other combat qualities. The mortar can use all existing 120 mm shots. Firing range 7-9 km (long barrel), depending on the type of mine.

Mortar targeting is carried out using electric actuators integrated into a turntable. Horizontal circular guidance or with restrictions on the design of the carrier machine. Vertical - up to 75-80 hail. Changing the elevation angle for loading is not required.

It is noted that Piranha IV self-propelled wheeled chassis made for Mörser 16 will be the first production vehicles of this modification of the Piranha family (to date, the Piranha IV armored personnel carrier has not found serial customers).

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  1. Insurgent April 26 2020 13: 37 New
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    Directly above the barrel is the loading mechanism. Ammunition is proposed to be manually stacked on the machine, after which the mechanisms independently send it in the direction muzzle and placed in a tubular cassette. Then the cassette is aligned with at gunpoint mortar, and the mine goes into the barrel. After removing the tape from muzzle a shot is being fired. Moving parts of the loading mechanism working near muzzle mortars equipped with shields.


    "Wind from the sea DUL, making trouble "...

    Craftsmen negative write, not specialist journalists no
    1. Thunderbolt April 26 2020 13: 47 New
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      And what is wrong if the muzzle-loading mortar ...? Just wondering.)))
      1. Insurgent April 26 2020 14: 12 New
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        Quote: Thunderbolt
        And what is wrong if the muzzle-loading mortar ...? Just wondering.

        This is a brief and technically accurate (competent) description of the barrel of any firearm.
        The muzzle (front) of the trunk ends muzzle. Muzzle of the barrel - the cross section passing through the front end of the barrel without taking into account the arrester (compensator, muzzle brake)

        Therefore, describing the loading process of the mortar, the authors (if they were pro-technicians, gunsmiths) would write this:
        Directly above the barrel is the loading mechanism. Ammunition is proposed to be manually stacked on the machine, after which the mechanisms independently send it in the direction trunk and placed in a tubular cassette. Then the cassette is aligned with muzzle mortar, and the mine goes into the barrel. After removing the tape from muzzle a shot is being fired. Moving parts of the loading mechanism working near muzzle mortars equipped with shields.
        1. Razvedka_Boem April 26 2020 17: 47 New
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          A longitudinally-sliding fore-end is called a pump and it has gone into the masses.
          VO has long been not the one when you draw more information in the comments than from the article.
          I remember when I had not yet registered, but I read VO, a dispute, like Ascetic with someone, some kind of gunsmith, sorry, I forgot ..
          So, such details in the comments, on the subtleties of the MG machine gun and even along the way, are different, which is immediately clear, the man held it in his hands, shot, etc.
          1. Insurgent April 27 2020 07: 29 New
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            Quote: Razvedka_Boem
            A longitudinally-sliding fore-end is called a pump and it has gone into the masses.

            Well trigger, in "everyday life" is called trigger,though it's obviously different details ...
      2. Starover_Z April 26 2020 20: 18 New
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        Quote: Thunderbolt
        And what is wrong if the muzzle-loading mortar ...?

        I thought, but how do they charge a two-meter recourse
        I specifically liked the autoloader good
    2. Aborigen4ik April 27 2020 04: 13 New
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      What a craftsman minusanul you for the truth, rzhunimaga !!!
      Looks like the barrel also calls the barrel in life, the hrzhnimag hysterical !!!
  2. Ros 56 April 26 2020 13: 37 New
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    And when will his bottom fall off from such overloads?
    1. Alexander Mosin April 26 2020 13: 43 New
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      These mortars can even be put on the Humvee, thanks to the rollback and recoil compensation system. Thanks to this system, the rate of fire is higher than the usual 120mm mortars.
      1. Ros 56 April 26 2020 13: 48 New
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        It’s possible to bet, only with shooting somehow it’s not very. I did not see them in widespread use. Here are large-caliber machine guns, as many as you like, but with mortars somehow not really.
        1. voyaka uh April 26 2020 13: 58 New
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          And they - with compensation for returns - have appeared relatively recently. They do not yet have combat experience.
        2. Alexander Mosin April 27 2020 13: 51 New
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          Once again, there is a very strong rollback system, which does not cause any problems with platforms, such mortars are even put on the Humvee, and this system also has a positive effect on rate of fire.
    2. Aborigen4ik April 27 2020 04: 14 New
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      Immediately and fall off laughing
  3. gabonskijfront April 26 2020 13: 37 New
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    So is our Boomerang.
    1. Aborigen4ik April 27 2020 04: 15 New
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      Not a Hammer from a Wild Field - Already Good!
  4. Lara Croft April 26 2020 13: 40 New
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    And why it is impossible to charge the mines from the breech, respectively, and the rate of fire of the SM is not indicated ....
    1. Nikolaevich I April 26 2020 14: 18 New
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      Quote: Lara Croft
      And why it is impossible to charge mines from the breech

      Usually, in such systems, it is possible to use the mortar in the "field" conditions ... outside the car! To do this, it is enough to have a biped machine and a base plate ... we get a muzzle-loading mortar of manual loading ... cheap and easy!
  5. Amateur April 26 2020 13: 44 New
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    At the request of the customer, the Cobra system can be manufactured without a loading mechanism. In this case, the mortar turns into a muzzle-loading gun with manual loading,

    And how do they drag a mine into a 2-meter trunk? On the ladder? Like that?
    1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 13: 48 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      And how do they drag a mine into a 2-meter trunk? On the ladder?

      So I scratch my turnips, but how did our kernels shove into the Tsar Cannon? sad
      1. Amateur April 26 2020 13: 55 New
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        So I scratch my turnips, but how did our kernels shove into the Tsar Cannon?

        "you can find another name -" Russian Shotgun. "This name is due to the fact that the gun was cast specifically for firing a shot." Roughly speaking, it was supposed to shoot cobblestones. Well, you can fill the cobblestone with a shovel.
        1. Thunderbolt April 26 2020 13: 59 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          So I scratch my turnips, but how did our kernels shove into the Tsar Cannon?

          They never shot from it.
          1. Nikolaevich I April 26 2020 14: 13 New
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            Quote: Thunderbolt
            They never shot from it.

            That shaw vi gutarite !? But what about the traces of gunpowder found in the trunk? And ysh ... The “format” of the state acceptance of that time required a mandatory “fire” test ...!
            1. Thunderbolt April 26 2020 14: 52 New
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              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              That shaw vi gutarite !? But what about the traces of gunpowder found in the trunk? And ysh ... The “format” of the state acceptance of that time required a mandatory “fire” test ...!

              In 1980, before the Olympics, the Tsar Cannon was taken for restoration. The study of the barrel was carried out by a group of specialists under the guidance of the “gunsmith” M.E. Portnov, engineer G.M. Zakharikov was invited as a technical consultant. so, in the course of a thorough study, it was found out that the Tsar Cannon ... lacks a firing hole through which the charge was ignited! Prof. Falkovsky mistakenly considered in 1946 that there was a fuse - and therefore depicted it in the drawing. The Tsar Cannon has a sink, there are indications of a fuse (approx. 10 mm in diameter), but the channel itself, which goes to the breech, is not. In addition, the inner chamber of the barrel is not cleaned after casting, there are tides on it - metal remains at the edges of the mold, which are formed during the casting process. If a gun were fired, then these bronze remnants would have been removed. But that did not happen. Two of these facts are indisputable evidence that they did not shoot from the Tsar Cannon. Http://www.milhist.info/2013/06/13/lobin_5/
              1. Nikolaevich I April 26 2020 15: 28 New
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                Well, judging by this comment, you are not on the verge that at that time the method of igniting a powder charge was practiced not only through the ignition hole in the breech, but also through the ignition cord from the muzzle side ...
                1. Thunderbolt April 26 2020 15: 52 New
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                  What to do with this?
                  the inner chamber of the barrel is not cleaned after casting, there are tides on it - metal remains at the edges of the mold, which are formed during the casting process. If a gun were fired, then these bronze remnants would have been removed. But that did not happen.
                  1. Nikolaevich I April 27 2020 04: 35 New
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                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    What to do with this?

                    in 1980, experts from the Dzerzhinsky Academy found that at least one shot from the Tsar Cannon was fired. Microparticles of burnt gunpowder were found in the barrel. True, determine if there was a shot combat or idleimpossible on them "Combat or single "!!! The gun could first of all be tested on a powder charge, without using" artillery shells "... that is, on an idle shot! Moreover, the first test shot was often made a" half charge from the calculated one! "One blank shot on a half powder charge without a "shell" (!) - why, in this case, cling to some kind of "influx"?
                    1. Mordvin 3 April 27 2020 04: 51 New
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                      Quote: Nikolaevich I
                      at least one shot from the Tsar Cannon was fired at one time.

                      The historian told us that the Tsar Cannon was put on the wall, and the Mongols shuganuli to her. They got scared and fled. laughing
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 14: 10 New
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          I’ll clarify a bit!
          The Tsar Cannon, judging by the design (the device of the barrel bore and the charging chamber, as well as the flat breech (without grapes), is a classic bombardment.
          Moreover, adapted for firing stone cores.
          A cast-iron carriage and cores at the pedestal of the guns in the Kremlin, a props of 1834.
          However, the appearance of cast-iron cores and put an end to the bombers. The specific gravity of cast iron is an order of magnitude (three times) higher than the Stone core. In this connection, the need for casting such monsters as the Tsar Cannon disappeared.
          The ability to shoot with a shot in the "tank" directions, this is secondary. Although in Moscow, most of the gates were covered by such weapons!
          For example, the Tsar Cannon for a long time lay on the red square with its goods - Peacock !!!
        3. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 17: 19 New
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          Quote: Amateur
          Well, you can fill the cobblestone with a shovel.

          I would not want to be a part of this weapon. belay
      2. Lopatov April 26 2020 17: 13 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Amateur
        And how do they drag a mine into a 2-meter trunk? On the ladder?

        So I scratch my turnips, but how did our kernels shove into the Tsar Cannon? sad

    2. Errr April 26 2020 14: 22 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      And how do they drag a mine into a 2-meter trunk? On the ladder?
      As always, it's best to watch in action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLT6zjGuOA8
  6. Zeev Zeev April 26 2020 13: 48 New
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    So here you are, the Swiss CARDOM. True Israeli mortar only manual loading, but tested in battle.
    1. voyaka uh April 26 2020 14: 26 New
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      Israel, too, would not hurt to install a similar mortar in Namer. In order to transfer mines to the neighboring street through the house in cities
      1. strannik1985 April 26 2020 15: 06 New
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        Has Cardom stopped arranging AOI?
        1. voyaka uh April 26 2020 15: 22 New
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          I'm talking about the platform. You cannot enter the city on a light platform.
          Need circular armor. Like TBTR Namer. And the city really needs mortars
          for mounted fire along a high trajectory. This combination is not.
          1. strannik1985 April 26 2020 15: 41 New
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            I'm talking about the platform.

            And I'm talking about the platform, "Keshet" is Cardom based on the M113 BTR, Mörser 16-Cobra based on the Piranha BTR.
            Your semiautomatic device does not have a charge, and so the characteristics are quite on the level.
      2. Zeev Zeev April 26 2020 16: 09 New
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        Why enter the city? Mortars stand outside and hammer if necessary on targets. Moreover, the target designation with the UAV. To go inside is not required at all.
        1. Lopatov April 26 2020 17: 09 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Why enter the city? Mortars stand outside and hammer

          First of all, range.
          Second, the trajectories
          1. Zeev Zeev April 26 2020 17: 13 New
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            Israel is not going to fight against countries where cities occupy tens of kilometers across, and in such cities there are enough free spaces to create protected mortar positions. Tooltip - Dubi
            The trajectories are easily adjusted.
            1. Lopatov April 26 2020 17: 20 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Israel is not going to fight against countries where cities occupy tens of kilometers across,

              You should decide there whether you are at war with Syria or not. And then everything depends on the context. Yes, and Lebanon has twice invaded ...

              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              The trajectories are easily adjusted.

              Proletarian consciousness?

              The mortar has a smaller range, the angle of incidence is closer to 90 degrees. And this is very important in the city. Especially with multi-story buildings.
              There is even a famous picture from the American fieldmanual about this.
              1. Zeev Zeev April 26 2020 18: 10 New
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                We are not entering Syria and are not going to capture Damascus or Aleppo. Yes, and Lebanon did not have a goal to capture something. And the area of ​​the city from which it is easier to shoot with 20 km howitzers cover 155 mm or (if a point target), ATGM from the same distance to shoot. More efficient and associated losses less. The mortars are adapted for firing at targets in open areas (militant groups, launching positions, ammunition storage locations, etc.). In multi-storey buildings, their benefits are not enough, because the goals are either in the houses themselves, which you can’t take with a mine, or on the streets close to the houses and can always hide in them while the mine is flying.
                And the shooting from the mortar is adjusted either by the correct position for shooting (along the streets) or by the use of adjustable ammunition.
                1. Lopatov April 26 2020 18: 21 New
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                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  We are not entering Syria and are not going to capture Damascus or Aleppo. Yes, and Lebanon did not have a goal to capture something.

                  Captured aimlessly?

                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  And the area of ​​the city from which it’s easier to shoot with 20 km howitzers cover 155 mm or (if a point target)

                  No problem. And instead of goals, you will reach high-rises that will appear on the trajectory.

                  And if you shoot from a self-propelled mortar howitzer, you still have to drag the guns closer

                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  And the shooting from the mortar or the correct position for firing (along the streets) is adjusted

                  Dragging the mortar on a direct fire is a sign of very poor training for both the commander and the personnel.
                  1. Zeev Zeev April 26 2020 21: 12 New
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                    What exactly was captured? Base terrorists? The villages from which Israeli cities were shelled? And they got out after the expulsion of the PLO militants.
                    When firing artillery, the range of destruction is many times greater. That is, at the same angle of incidence of the projectile, the self-propelled gun will stand much further than the mortar. And ATGM in general can fly almost vertically.
                    Now about the mortars. Why drag a mortar on a direct fire? With actual intelligence in hand, the mortar can be set so that the trajectory does not intersect with the buildings. And the corrected ammunition allows you to change the ballistic parabola to fairly large values
                    1. Lopatov April 26 2020 22: 39 New
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                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      What exactly was captured?

                      Beirut. How much is it across?

                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      When firing artillery, the range of destruction is many times greater. That is, at the same angle of incidence, the self-propelled guns will be much farther than the mortar.

                      This is not true.


                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      And ATGMs can fly almost vertically.

                      laughing
                      Several courtyards-wells. One mortar. In others, imitators. Think about how you will hit it with an ATGM that "can generally fly almost vertically"
                      In reality, they acted very simply - they worked in all yards with a mortar battery. Solving the problem with someone else's harassing fire.

                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      Having actual intelligence on hand, the mortar can be set so that the trajectory does not intersect with the buildings

                      laughing laughing laughing
                      just finding a normal fire is already a problem.
                      Trying in the city to choose a position for the goal is superstrong.

                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      And the corrected ammunition allows you to change the ballistic parabola to fairly large values

                      Theoretically, this is possible, but in practice there is no such functionality.
                      1. Zeev Zeev April 27 2020 08: 18 New
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                        No one has captured Beirut. Israeli troops defended Christian quarters and blocked West Beirut captured by the PLO militants.
                        As for self-propelled guns. The elevation angle of the mortar is 85 °, the elevation angle of the M109 howitzer is 75 °. Talk about practice?
                        Now about the well-yards. What is this? Petersburg gates? You won’t shoot from there. As for the other yards, I can say that I personally observed the ATGM hit on the rocket position between houses from 15 km. Although aviation is more often used for such purposes.
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                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        No one has captured Beirut. Israeli troops defended Christian quarters and blocked West Beirut captured by the PLO militants.

                        Plus the provision of massacres in Sabra and Chatil. Blocking the camps, withdrawing from them those who were able to protect the peaceful people, transferring the militants of the phalangists there, lighting with artillery so that the heroes could conveniently chop their children with axes ... a lot of work was done ....

                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        As for self-propelled guns. The elevation angle of the mortar is 85 °, the elevation angle of the M109 howitzer is 75 °. Talk about practice?

                        laughing
                        Let it be known to you that the elevation angle of more than 45 degrees is mortar shooting. That is, there are no differences from mortars.
                        The only thing is that it is really difficult to achieve really large angles of incidence. For example, for 2C1 the minimum possible angle of incidence is 77 degrees. With this angle, the standard nine-story building will give a "dead zone" of 130 meters


                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Now about the well-yards. What is this?

                        Cunning ... You might think, you do not get out of the village, have never been to the city.


                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Petersburg gates? You won’t shoot from there.

                        Religious bans?
                        Mortar, collimator, telephone. And it will be very difficult to hit this position even with other mortars.
                      3. Zeev Zeev April 27 2020 09: 18 New
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                        Therefore, the Christians went to Sabra and Shatila to cleanse, because from there they fired on Christian quarters. So the "defenders" were there. Well, the fact that Christian Arabs took revenge on Muslim Arabs during the years of the massacre of Christians in Lebanon is an intra-Arab problem.
                        By the way, I live in a city with dense buildings (much denser than the one in the photo), and, due to my life experience, I know how artillery works in urban conditions. And shooting at the cities of the "Soviet" layout also represent the example of Ukraine and Yugoslavia. Sarajevo was bombarded with artillery from great distances, perfectly dispensing with the introduction of mortars into the city.
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                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Therefore, the Christians went to Sabra and Shatila to cleanse, because from there they fired on Christian quarters. So the "defenders" were there.

                        Great excuse. Promoted by Israel. However, the absence of significant losses among the phalanx heroes indicates that this is a lie.

                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        these are intra-Arab problems.

                        No. This is in its purest form a war crime. The only question is the degree of guilt of Israel. For the occupiers are fully responsible for everything that happens on their territory. Including for the fact that their allies freely enter the enclave blocked by Israeli troops and chop down children with axes.

                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        and because of my life experience, I know how artillery works in an urban environment

                        laughing
                        I do not believe.
                      5. Zeev Zeev April 27 2020 09: 43 New
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                        Question number one. If there were no militants (although Ilyich Ramirez Sanchez, a great friend of the PLO, claims the opposite), then who shot the Christians and the Israeli army?
                        Question number two. The massacre of Christians in Lebanon is also a war crime, or is it possible for the militants of the USSR-supported PLO?
                        Now about artillery. You may not believe it. I saw artillery work in 2006 and in 2014. Pretty well seen.
  • Pessimist22 April 26 2020 13: 59 New
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    Swedish AMOS is better.
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    Interesting thing. Only now the platform could be chosen easier and come up with a drum charging system, to increase the rate of fire.
  • askort154 April 26 2020 14: 51 New
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    Swiss army ordered Mörser 16 self-propelled mortar systems

    What for ? Guard the banks ?!
    Or does she hope that this will save her long-suffering "neutrality"?
    At the end of the 18th century, Napoleon entered Switzerland, and she became his "ally."
    In 1815, after the expulsion of Napoleon, Russia, Austria, Prussia and England decided to make Switzerland a "neutral country." But, despite this, Hitler entered it, and then she was bombed by all the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition.
    Therefore, it’s more realistic to call Switzerland “a neutral passage yard” with ATMs
    all world currencies. For her, a weapon, that for a goat button accordion.
    1. Amateur April 26 2020 17: 26 New
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      But, despite this, Hitler entered it, and then she was bombed by all the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition.

      Alternative story or author from parallel reality?
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        Amateur Alternative story or author from parallel reality?

        An elementary history from the school curriculum of the 20th century .. French troops entered Switzerland (1798. Napoleon).
        Then, despite assigning her the status of "neutrality" (Russia, Austria, Prussia, after the defeat of Napoleon in 1815), German troops entered it (Hitler, spitting on her status of "neutrality"). In 1945, the Allied countries: USSR, USA and England, alternately bombed Switzerland, squeezing the Germans.
        So understandable? hi
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          in 1815) it included German troops (Hitler, spitting on her status of "neutrality").

          The fact that A.V.Suvorov was in Switzerland in 1799 is our history.
          But Hitler in Switzerland in 1815 is a parallel reality, like the Soviet Air Force in the Swiss sky in 1945.
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            Amateur...And here Hitler in 1815 in Switzerland is a parallel reality, like the Soviet Air Force in the Swiss sky in 1945.

            Read my post carefully without distorting its meaning.
            Where is it written that Hitler entered Switzerland in 1815, and that the USSR bombed Switzerland? The meaning of my post is in irony in relation to Swiss “neutrality”, because it was not respected by Germany (read by Hitler).
            What else is incomprehensible? Once again - "on the tanks"! crying
            Read the book by Mikhail Shishkin - "Russian Switzerland". : cr hi
    2. Max otto April 26 2020 21: 28 New
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      Even you have a tight knowledge. For example, Hitler did not take Switzerland at all because there are many banks. He simply could not do it, although he planned and wanted to.
  • V.I.P. April 26 2020 15: 05 New
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    Well, a lot of people do self-propelled mortars on a wheeled chassis. Joint Swedish-Finnish AMOS

    There is one barrel -NEMO /
    Russia "Drok"

    Nona ICS (can fire mines and shells)

    The Chinese counterpart of Nona..PLL-05

    UAE Agrab
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    1. V.I.P. April 26 2020 15: 13 New
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      Turkey Aselsan Alkar

      France Mepac


      Also on a wheeled chassis, Spain makes a mortar Eimos 81mm and 60mm, Alakran 120mm
      Israel Spear Mk-2, Cardom.
      The Americans on the chassis of the BTR Stryker have an Isaril mortar. On the caterpillar chassis there is a mortar, South Korea, Japan, Germany
      1. garri-lin April 26 2020 15: 56 New
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        Gorse is 82 mm?
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  • vlad mirniy April 26 2020 15: 53 New
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    Swedish "Grkpbv 90/120"
    , French VAB 2R2M
    , usa (ADIM)
  • BREAKTHROUGH READY April 26 2020 16: 15 New
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    Mortar, like a mortar.
    But with the system of sending, I think, they are too smart, it looks too flimsy and does not inspire confidence, it also reduces the rate of fire.
  • Denimax April 26 2020 17: 49 New
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    Israel, too, would not hurt to install a similar mortar in Namer. In order to transfer mines to the neighboring street through the house in cities

    It sounds like a myth. With mortars, the minimum distance is hundreds of meters. Or it should be a very big house.
    1. Lopatov April 26 2020 18: 25 New
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      Quote: Denimax
      With mortars, the minimum distance is hundreds of meters.

      Specifically, here is not a fact.
      This is not an "imaginary triangle", it can work at extreme elevation angles.
  • APASUS April 26 2020 20: 56 New
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    I think a bit controversial placement

    can be hit by return fire. In my opinion a more promising sample