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The Russian Orthodox Church considers it appropriate to depict Stalin and Putin in the main church of the Russian Armed Forces

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The Russian Orthodox Church considers it appropriate to depict Stalin and Putin in the main church of the Russian Armed Forces

The Russian Orthodox Church considers the appearance on the walls of the main church of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation of mosaics depicting mosaics depicting the first persons of the state, in particular, Vladimir Putin, Sergei Shoigu, Joseph Stalin and others. This was told by the Chairman of the Expert Council on Church Art, Architecture and Restoration of the Russian Orthodox Church, Archpriest Leonid Kalinin.


According to the representative of the church, a mosaic will appear on the walls of the temple, on which will be displayed historical events. Among them there are mosaics dedicated to the Victory Parade of 1945, the annexation of Crimea, as well as others. It would be strange if the mosaic dedicated to the Victory Parade did not have an image of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Joseph Stalin, and the mosaic about the annexation of Crimea by those who made the fateful decision.

The Art Council considers these images to be absolutely appropriate, reflecting the historical truth, from which pages cannot be pulled out arbitrarily

- said the archpriest, adding that these images are not icons and do not apply to the church.

At the same time, it is clarified that not all members of the expert council of the Russian Orthodox Church agreed with the image of Joseph Stalin in a mosaic dedicated to the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, but the decision was made, since this is Russian history.

Not everyone likes this, including members of the Art Council not everyone likes (...) from history we cannot tear out this page and don’t give back to the person who served this Victory in many ways, we also cannot. (...). He was the supreme commander in 1941-1945, how can we throw him out when it comes to the Victory Parade? (...) in the military church dedicated to the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, the Victory Parade is necessary, therefore, Stalin there - forcedly, maybe

- explained Kalinin.

The construction of the temple of the Armed Forces of Russia in Kubinka near Moscow is dedicated to the 75th anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War. On its walls there will appear mosaic panels dedicated to various historical events, including battles and wars, starting from the Kulikov field and ending with Syria, most will be devoted to the Great Patriotic War.
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  1. Sklendarka
    Sklendarka April 25 2020 11: 56 New
    52
    I wonder if Putin will be in galoshes or what?
    1. Infinity
      Infinity April 25 2020 11: 58 New
      69
      Apparently, now Putin is not only our president, but also God the Emperor!

      PS: for successful operation, reset to zero every four periods!
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 April 25 2020 12: 21 New
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        Quote: Infinity
        Apparently, now Putin is not only our president, but also God the Emperor!

        No, the emperor remembered hating any religions and other obscurantism, burning it wherever he could, and they called him a god only after death and contrary to his will ... And these became impudent during life. Anyway - damn the 21st century, there’s nothing more to do in the country or what?
        1. cost
          cost April 25 2020 12: 28 New
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          The Russian Orthodox Church considers the appearance on the walls of the main church of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation of mosaics depicting mosaics depicting the first persons of the state, in particular, Vladimir Putin, Sergei Shoigu, Joseph Stalin and others. This was told by the Chairman of the Expert Council on Church Art, Architecture and Restoration of the Russian Orthodox Church, Archpriest Leonid Kalinin.

          There are no words ...
          1. businessv
            businessv April 25 2020 12: 42 New
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            Quote: Rich
            Archpriest Leonid Kalinin, Expert Council on Church Art, Architecture and Restoration of the Russian Orthodox Church.

            Interestingly, was he not in charge of the placement in most Soviet institutions of the face of all the members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU? Are we rolling along the track?
            1. Deck
              Deck April 25 2020 13: 14 New
              26
              Is the victory of 1945 equal to the annexation of Crimea? Shoigu with Stalin! I directly recall the song of Vano Muradeli in 1949:
              The unity of peoples and races is growing stronger.
              A simple man straightened his shoulders
              A simple man walks with a song
              Stalin and Shoigu are listening to you
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 April 25 2020 15: 06 New
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              And this Kalinin’s biography in general is very interesting! Besides, he is a defendant in a criminal case. This is information to think about personnel, current personnel, and the current government.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus April 25 2020 15: 35 New
                15
                Sergei, then, perhaps, it will be appropriate to start and finish every service with "AUE". And, honestly, I'm not surprised. A lot of clergy turned to religion after being imprisoned on serious criminal charges, as, indeed, after the "furry-footed" police. They appreciated, so to speak, at their true worth, the stray cash flows of the largest confessions, which turned out to be much more appetizing and more legal than thieves and corruption. They decided that some of these should simply be "positive" in their pockets.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 15: 38 New
                  +2
                  Quote: lexus
                  it will be appropriate to start and finish each service with "AUE".

                  Yesterday, such a pop muttered. I already wanted to sleep.
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus April 25 2020 15: 50 New
                    +9
                    Vladimir, welcome!
                    Along the way, others are not taken into "cosmonauts".


                    These already definitely do not need "concepts" and the hair dryer to teach. And the primacy of the godfather is not questioned.
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 April 25 2020 16: 04 New
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                      Yeah! That would be funny if it weren’t sad. Damn, well, it seems that these people live one day! Do they not really know that by their actions they completely kill the authority of both the authorities and the church?!?!?
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus April 25 2020 16: 08 New
                        +6
                        Popularly demonstrate their faith in the afterlife. And fanatics have already broken all their foreheads in prayers.
                      2. Severok
                        Severok April 26 2020 09: 33 New
                        +6
                        Do they themselves not know that with their actions they completely kill the authority of both the authorities and the church

                        As if by the way, among my circle of power the authorities have not had authority for a long time, but the Russian Orthodox Church has broken through the next bottom, lovingly licking the ahedrons among those in power.
                        And yes, they live one day, according to the principle after us at least a flood.
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 April 26 2020 09: 35 New
                        +2
                        I will answer this way. The situation is the same.
                    2. Terenin
                      Terenin April 26 2020 22: 17 New
                      +4
                      It is unlikely that Putin will go for such a cheap setup of "sycophants" No.
                    3. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 27 2020 07: 49 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Terenin
                      It is unlikely that Putin will go for such a cheap setup of "sycophants"

                      Come on? He nevertheless went to "set up" Tereshkova. laughing
                    4. Terenin
                      Terenin April 27 2020 22: 59 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Quote: Terenin
                      It is unlikely that Putin will go for such a cheap setup of "sycophants"

                      Come on? He nevertheless went to "set up" Tereshkova. laughing

                      Well, duck sphere: politics-power-high positions ... with its supporters, opponents, ambitions, delusions, puffing cheeks ... this is one thing, but to go against - a clear understanding and internal awareness, by the Russian people, personal immodesty, yes even with the use of Orthodoxy ... this is different.
                      We will see winked
              2. Mihail2019
                Mihail2019 April 26 2020 04: 37 New
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                Yes - "expensive-bohato!" Outside, it is somewhat reminiscent of the ships of the necromongers from The Chronicles of Riddick .. What does all this cleric clique have to do with the army and Victory ?! - I don’t understand!
                And I don’t understand how this temple increases the country's defense capability.
              3. Metallurg_2
                Metallurg_2 April 26 2020 11: 31 New
                +2
                And where did simple priests have grandmas for several SUVs?
                Grandma, give a pretty penny to the temple?
              4. Alex Justice
                Alex Justice April 26 2020 19: 04 New
                +2
                I do not like priests and their business on promises for money.
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 April 25 2020 15: 49 New
            +8
            To everything else, he is also an Honorary Academician of the Russian Academy of Arts !!! * This is what the life-giving cross does! *. Your deeds are wonderful, Lord!
            1. Lexus
              Lexus April 25 2020 15: 54 New
              -3
              It’s even interesting, what kind of special arts? Counterfeiting or
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 April 25 2020 15: 59 New
                +1
                So after all, there is no information about his * artistic * talents. That's just not there! But he is constantly listed as * a member * of all kinds of councils and commissions! In a word, the right person!
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus April 25 2020 16: 05 New
                  +1
                  registered * member *

                  Literate and honorable, as well as another, recently foolishly bald.
    2. Private89
      Private89 April 25 2020 12: 52 New
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      Having plundered everything that has been erected by the people, the leaders do not build more factories and factories and they need only the churches to stand in which they would forgive their sins.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan April 25 2020 14: 30 New
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        They want to perpetuate themselves, it is strange that Medvedev will not be drawn there.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 April 25 2020 15: 08 New
          +3
          In an interview, this * archpriest * openly stated that his * roof * was Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev.
          * Coincidence? I don’t think .... *.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day April 25 2020 15: 43 New
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          Quote: Fan-Fan
          it is strange that Medvedev will not be drawn there.

          In one of the clinics in St. Petersburg, a picture appeared in which Dmitry Medvedev plays chess with Vladimir Putin.

          According to the leadership of this medical institution, the picture has a healing effect. request
          1. Lexus
            Lexus April 25 2020 16: 10 New
            20
            According to the leadership of this medical institution, the picture has a healing effect.
            Is the picture streaming? laughing
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 April 25 2020 16: 19 New
            +8
            Wait a minute! And in the background is the silhouette of the ship! Is this the same ship? * Admiral Kuznetsov *?
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 25 2020 12: 53 New
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      You do not understand!!! Then Bondarchuk will make a remake of a Hollywood movie in which domestic Tom Hanks (an actor has not yet been selected), will run around the temple and look for secret signs of the presence of the Templars among these images!
      1. Lexus
        Lexus April 25 2020 15: 38 New
        21
        Once again, they decided to out-ward the 404 chamber. Checkmate to Waltzman!
        1. Metallurg_2
          Metallurg_2 April 26 2020 11: 35 New
          +4
          Well, yes, the holy family did not dare to hang up at least in Kiev Kiev.
          In general, Stalin alone would have been enough. All the rest of his little finger is not worth it. I would also add Beria.
          1. Titus_2
            Titus_2 April 26 2020 15: 13 New
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            For me, at least Stalin has already been recognized as a plus.
    4. Phil77
      Phil77 April 25 2020 14: 01 New
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      I welcome you, Dmitry! Here it is more relevant than ever:
      * God forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing .... *.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 25 2020 14: 25 New
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        Quote: Phil77
        I welcome you, Dmitry! Here it is more relevant than ever:
        * God forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing .... *.

        Sergey welcome hi They all know ... even as they know ..
    5. Reducer
      Reducer April 25 2020 16: 49 New
      15
      This is a disgrace!
    6. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 25 2020 17: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Rich
      There are no words ...
      An old Soviet army tradition - in each barracks there is a Lenin room with portraits of the current members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, headed by the Secretary General, now instead of this is the temples with the images of the first persons ... I personally treat this condescendingly, that in the time of the General Secretaries, now ... The homeland will not be one and the other, and this is all superficial, the main thing is to keep the spark in the soul, and as you know, sometimes the flame of purification of the Russian world order from everything superfluous and alien ignites from the spark.
    7. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice April 26 2020 18: 59 New
      +2
      Lizanuli something Putin.
  2. orionvitt
    orionvitt April 25 2020 12: 55 New
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    Quote: oleg123219307
    nothing else to do in the country or what?

    History is history, but in my opinion, the ROC really has nothing to do. Let us have Lenin on the icon, as the founder of the first state of workers and peasants. Also a story, and not anyhow, but the whole world turned upside down. I mean, "God is God, and Caesar is Caesar." And do not invent figs.
    1. YOUR
      YOUR April 25 2020 13: 28 New
      +8
      why nothing. They took a feasible part in cutting the budget.
      1. Aborigen4ik
        Aborigen4ik April 27 2020 04: 01 New
        +1
        Proofs will be? When the language will sit you, malacholny?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 27 2020 04: 08 New
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          Quote: Aborigen4ik
          Proofs will be?

          Heh please ...
          The heiress of the state of Patriarch Alexy II (Alexei Ridiger), 80-year-old Alexandra Smirnova, filed an application with the Moscow Arbitration Court with a request to include her in the list of Vneshprombank creditors (the license was revoked in January 2016). It was there that there were accounts on which the personal savings of the late patriarch were lying, with a total amount of about 300 million rubles (more than $ 4,5 million).
          Read more: https://news.tut.by/world/522553.html
    2. Galleon
      Galleon April 25 2020 14: 09 New
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      Guys, let's just not be for the entire Russian Orthodox Church. Judas became the head of the ROC, who are ready to justify and substantiate for the sake of their well-being and money anything, even Satan, but this does not mean that there are no more believers and does not mean that the church has lost all conscience. They are silent. Whoever says a word - away from the altar and live as you want. People with professions are not ordained to the priesthood now - so it is not scary to return and work as before, they can tell the truth from the pulpit if they feel sick. (And in church, when Cyril came, everyone has been sick for a long time). And those who do not know how and do not know except for the service book and the missal - they will be silent. Throw out into the street and feed their five or six. Almost all priests have families with many children. And tell them for what? For whom? Not for the sake of those who spit on this ROC. And they still tell the truth. I didn't keep statistics, but every year I read either about an open letter and the subsequent ban in the ministry, or simply writes the one forbidden in the ministry. Search for "priest-taxi driver" - for example.
      We live in a terrible time: earlier in Russia either the tsar is great, the patriarch is weak, or vice versa. And now both are Judas, and a lie has reigned. As I hear the phrase "experts have explained ..." I don't read it any more ... and so on.
      1. Malibu
        Malibu April 25 2020 14: 18 New
        -30
        Quote: Galleon
        Guys, let's just not be for the whole ROC. They became at the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Judas who are ready to justify and justify anything for their own well-being and money, even Satan, but this does not mean that there are no more believers

        The guys are in social networks, but here are men with life experience .. hi
        Quote: Galleon
        We live in a terrible time: earlier in Russia either the tsar is great, the patriarch is weak, or vice versa. And now both are Judas, and a lie has reigned. As I hear the phrase "experts have explained ..." I don't read it any more ... and so on.

        You’re a Catholic demon, you’re broadcasting here ..You have established your religion in almost all spheres of life in the West, and Catholic demons are being wiped out over Orthodoxy .... negative
        It’s not for you to decide which churches are being built here .. and which churches are praying .. A teacher of a Jew)))
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan April 25 2020 14: 38 New
          28
          The guys are on social networks, and here are men with life experience.

          Here, by the way, is also a social network. And you read reviews, like yours, you will not see men with life experience either, or trolls, or boys with an empty head.
          1. Malibu
            Malibu April 25 2020 15: 34 New
            -26
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            The guys are on social networks, and here are men with life experience.

            Here, by the way, is also a social network. And you read reviews, like yours, you will not see men with life experience either, or trolls, or boys with an empty head.

            Well, where are I to you fan fans and others
            Mossad is very pleased with you .. laughing
        2. Cheldon
          Cheldon April 25 2020 23: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Malibu
          The guys are on social networks, but here are men with life experience

          "Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not throw your pearls before the pigs, lest they trample it underfoot with their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces." “The Bible Matt. 7: 6 "
          Dear, look at how many corrected people have set your minuses and how many pluses others have - the legion is a name for them (For Jesus said to him: come out, unclean spirit, from this man. And he asked him: what’s your name? And he answered: legion is my name, therefore that there are many of us. — Mark 5: 8-9
        3. Aborigen4ik
          Aborigen4ik April 27 2020 04: 04 New
          +1
          I agree! But look, how the turbidity zaminusovat you))), so the demons hit the point, respect!
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 25 2020 17: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: Galleon
        They became the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Judas who are ready to justify and justify anything for their own well-being and money, even Satan, but this does not mean that there are no more believers and does not mean that all conscience is lost in the church. They are silent. Whoever says a word is away from the altar and live as you like. AT

        Therefore, from the point of view of spirituality, the Russian people have lost the meaning of life and the purpose of life. This is in the West from the point of view of religious and spiritual people live by law, the law is important to them. It is not by chance that they have the main thesis that it is not forbidden by law, then any perversions and deviations from norms and traditions, and Russian does not live by the law - Russian lives by the truth!.
        Now the Russian people do not see the truth, have no spiritual core / any ideology is prohibited by the Constitution /.
        What power do we have now? Zionist liberal. The ideology of money-grubbing and consumerism is the same! And this ideology is completely alien to the Russian people - they cannot live in this faith - live for money. Therefore spiritually, ideologically Now the Russian people - he does not live ... He survives in these conditions. Give us faith in Victory as our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, faith in a bright future, and then the Russian people will turn mountains.
      3. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 April 25 2020 19: 11 New
        -1
        As for me, it doesn't matter what kind of priests they serve there. What faith is, so are priests. And they do not always spit only in priests, sometimes Orthodoxy too. And I am one of those who spit in this Jewish Orthodoxy. Forgotten their ancestors, forgotten their faith, worship other gods.
      4. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy April 26 2020 01: 06 New
        +6
        Quote: Galleon
        They are silent. Whoever says a word is away from the altar and live as you like.

        Strange how so? They believed in Christ, and why not suffer for the faith of Christ? Is it just business and nothing personal? lol As an atheist, brought up on the ideas of a set of principles of communist morality, I do not quite understand the shading of "employers". You will decide whether to wear panties or take off a cross.
  3. Most kind
    Most kind April 26 2020 05: 14 New
    0
    Who on this site said that without a national idea, the country won’t take off, than you don’t have an idea, the country is united by religion, but even the Russian Orthodox Church doesn’t reject the story, and in my opinion it’s very good, as one famous person used to say, but time will tell everything to their places, even if some kind of maize who gave in violation of the laws gave Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR, and voiced a report on the cult of personality, then he still does not crap STALIN’s personality, but for the current GDP, you can remember the year 2000, I’m in the army at that time served urgent and I remember how it was before the service and what talo after, and then it was much better. Well, for the current state of things, but you yourself are personally ready to go to fight for our beloved Motherland, how it comes to business, and how they can’t gather partisans for the gatherings, but for the war, so where to catch anyone.
  4. Misha Honest
    Misha Honest April 26 2020 19: 39 New
    0
    Let's collect the council of officers and change the power))
  5. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 April 26 2020 21: 40 New
    -1
    Quote: oleg123219307
    Anyway - damn the 21st century, there’s nothing more to do in the country or what?

    If people think a lot, this is wrong. Better go to temples and complain to God
  6. Aborigen4ik
    Aborigen4ik April 27 2020 03: 59 New
    0
    And what, what is the 21st century? What personally disturbs you religion, Mr. Militant Atheist? Those who believe in you do not crawl into your soul, even if you believe in its majesty, a gigabyte flash drive)), be more tolerant, the right to believe is enshrined in the Constitution!
  • Korax71
    Korax71 April 25 2020 14: 27 New
    +7
    Hmm, so he looks more like Nurgle’s grandfather lol
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov April 26 2020 03: 14 New
    -7
    How do you hate Putin ... However, ingratitude is inherent in the people. No matter how much he doesn’t give him anyway ... But this is so ... Innocent retreat ... The main thing is not this - the main thing is that the Russian Orthodox Church is dog shit. If people of believers I still somewhere, somehow I can understand, BUT OFFICERS FROM GOD? Sorry, I know people, but the priests are the same people. Bullshit. And yet, for those who change their mind several times in their lives, you are Komsomol members or go to church ... It’s not beautiful, believe me, it looks disgusting. And Putin in this case looks disgusting.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 03: 29 New
      12
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      How do you hate Putin ...

      Sorry, why love him? Two enterprises at which I worked at it were covered. They even got to blindness.
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      However ingratitude is inherent in the people.

      Yeah, the bad folk got caught by the king. laughing
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov April 26 2020 03: 43 New
        -11
        Did I say that you need to love? But there is one indisputable "BUT", it was he who pulled the country out of the 90s. Have the courage to admit. It was he, not you, who began to stop the army and navy.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 03: 50 New
          +8
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          it was he who pulled the country out of the 90s.

          In the 90s, I could buy a car for one award, if that. Now my salary is enough only to pay for a communal apartment and buy macaroni.
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          It was he, not you who began to stop the army and navy.

          Of course of course. And Chechen rebels were given money for surrendering weapons. Remind me? Our Putin is a waste, and I am ready to prove it on my fingers.
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov April 26 2020 04: 11 New
            -5
            I don’t know, maybe you are rich, but in those days there was nothing for me to buy baby food - it was taxing.
            At the expense of Chechnya - Russia has been buying the loyalty of the North Caucasus all its history. And I'm not saying that Putin is good (he worked his way), I'm talking about the fact that at one time he was more than appropriate. Or maybe you would put things in order in those days?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 04: 17 New
              +5
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              I don’t know, maybe you are rich,

              I worked as an ordinary locksmith. At the branch of ZiL. I remember from my friend, Dad bought a five-year-old five for an amount less than my salary with a bonus.
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              I say that at one time he was more than appropriate.

              Is your memory all right? Remember that FSB director Putin responded to the deputies about the documents of the Kroll agency.
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov April 26 2020 04: 50 New
                -5
                And I worked as an ordinary mining engineer, but they closed the expedition, stupidly closed, and I remained out of work, as well as about 800 more people.
                And I don’t need here about the price of cars - I clearly remember my first car, in the 90th I bought a penny of the 74th year for 6000 rubles. What are you trying to prove to me? What didn’t people shoot in the 90s? What did this in itself subside? That Putin is out of business here? Though prove it - I was quite old at that time and could assess the situation. I don’t know about the crawl, sorry.
                And again I repeat, who began to rebuild the army and navy? And then you so famously ignored my question ...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 05: 08 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                  What are you trying to prove to me?

                  Nothing, except that our entire industry was ruined. I will repeat once again - two enterprises were closed in the tenths, when they were "raised from their knees".
                  Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                  I was quite old at that time and could assess the situation.

                  And what do you think, a cleaver or something?
                  Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                  And then you so famously ignored my question ...

                  Want an answer? So in the 90s they launched much more into the water than under Putin. That's it. Wages did not pay the warriors? And what should they pay for? For mittens yawning when the USSR fell? Or how did Pasha-Mercedes, together with Lebed, spread to Yeltsin’s side? Maybe for the same Pasha’s tanks leading the assault of the Supreme Council, and he distributed machine guns at the request of Yegorushka Gaidar to defend democracy? Turn on your brains.
                  1. Sergey Averchenkov
                    Sergey Averchenkov April 27 2020 16: 38 New
                    0
                    In the 90s? You are either a traitor or write to me from abroad. You descended into the water ... You can compass the young brains, but to me ...
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 04: 27 New
              +4
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              taxed.

              So I had a car. Rich Pinocchio. laughing
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov April 27 2020 01: 34 New
                0
                But live in the conditions of the far North for 25 years - you will also have money for a car.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 27 2020 03: 57 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                  But live in the conditions of the far North for 25 years - you will also have money for a car.

                  Yes? In the nineties, I could buy 10 Cossacks for one salary. Only I do not need nafig. I don’t understand people who boast about their cars. Heh, I got sick of repairing them. Putty, preparation for painting ... They are where I sit. am
                  1. Sergey Averchenkov
                    Sergey Averchenkov April 27 2020 16: 24 New
                    -1
                    I do not boast, rather the opposite. It didn’t work out for me to buy a cool car ... And I don’t need it ... UAZ, so I have it. Buy 10 constipation. Are you apparently involved in car repair? Sometimes it happens.
            3. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 April 26 2020 21: 44 New
              -1
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              at one time he was more than appropriate

              Golden words. We must be able to stop in time. Irremovability has not benefited anyone
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 04: 02 New
          +4
          What except minus and there is nothing to argue?
        3. Varyag71
          Varyag71 April 27 2020 10: 59 New
          -2
          Soon the 90s will seem like a fairy tale
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 25 2020 12: 02 New
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    Quote: Skalendarka
    I wonder if Putin will be in galoshes or what?

    Yes, in galoshes ... but in anti-gravity (!) And with a halo not in my head!
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 25 2020 12: 40 New
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      "I have erected a monument to myself not made by hands ..."
      Ah, Alexander Sergeyevich, you didn’t write about that ...
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka April 25 2020 13: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Quote: Skalendarka
      I wonder if Putin will be in galoshes or what?

      Yes, in galoshes ... but in anti-gravity (!) And with a halo not in my head!

      Like, when will he walk on water so as not to soak his feet?
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 April 25 2020 12: 06 New
    46
    Some obscurantism, honestly.
    1. g_ae
      g_ae April 25 2020 12: 17 New
      39
      Understanding must be treated. There’s no time for buildup.
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 April 25 2020 12: 22 New
      32
      Quote: Deniska999
      Some obscurantism, honestly.

      I saw a photo of this diy, there are still people in the background behind the GDP.
      So, among the people there is not enough grandfather who eats the last horseradish without salt and who does not like the Christmas tree, as well as a woman who asked the GDP how to live on 10800 rubles.
    3. kjhg
      kjhg April 25 2020 12: 25 New
      61
      Quote: Deniska999
      Some obscurantism, honestly.

      It became clear to me even when Putin built an alcoholic center for budget billions. Although before that I understood who Putin was and what he would eventually lead the country to. Shoigu built his gift-monument to Putin for billions of the Ministry of Defense, including "voluntarily donated" bonus servicemen. Recently Gundyaev boasted that thousands of churches were being built in the country. In a strange way, the number of temples built equals the number of closed schools, hospitals and clinics.
      Nothing but misfortunes can be expected by a people whose ruler has fallen into m ... zm.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 25 2020 14: 27 New
        16
        Quote: kjhg
        Nothing but misfortunes can be expected by a people whose ruler has fallen into m ... zm.

        You will recognize him by deeds .. so they showed up ..
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 25 2020 15: 46 New
        19
        Quote: kjhg
        In a strange way, the number of temples built is equal to the number of closed schools, hospitals and clinics.

        So the patriarch said that the coronavirus is "divine providence"
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 April 25 2020 16: 07 New
          -5
          Quote: Silvestr
          So the patriarch said that the coronavirus is "divine providence"

          Of course, that’s exactly what it is, the brains must be cleaned somehow.
          This is a necessary and important matter (a virus), the mind will correct for the mind, so to speak. That is what we all observe.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 03: 33 New
            +6
            Quote: bober1982
            This is a necessary and important matter (a virus), the mind will correct for the mind, so to speak. That is what we all observe.

            Our city was founded in the 20s. There were 4 movie theaters. Not one left. But 2 churches appeared. One is on the site of the cinema.
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        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 April 25 2020 18: 52 New
          +7
          When Russia turned away from God 100 years ago, it paid

          That's why there are attacks. You take too much on yourself.
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN April 25 2020 19: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: strannik1985
            That's why there are attacks. You take too much on yourself.

            Vladimir, could you please explain what and whom I (we) take upon ourselves?
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 April 25 2020 19: 31 New
              10
              Vladimir, could you please

              Those who replace religion with economics, politics, military art.
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    4. knn54
      knn54 April 25 2020 12: 38 New
      20
      “Do not make yourself an idol.” THIS sermon warns the Church against idol worship.
      "Vovan the Savior" Forgive God for the familiarity.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt April 25 2020 13: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: knn54
        “Do not make yourself an idol.” THIS sermon warns the Church against idol worship.

        And then they violate it everywhere. They came up with idols, starting from Christ and ending with an innumerable host of different-sized saints, moreover, on icons. Kissed and worshiped. That already, or a cross, or pants. Something the church reminds me of some "patriots" from a neighboring country. We say one thing, do another, and leave it alone, it's none of your business, we are always right.
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus April 25 2020 14: 38 New
          -2
          They invented idols for themselves, starting from Christ and ending with the countless host of saints of various sizes, moreover, on the icons. Who kiss and worship.

          Look, Orthodoxy implies a certain way of life and worldview. "Saints of various sizes", as you say, have succeeded in this matter, therefore, for Orthodox people, they are an example.
          Imagine a Russian, Orthodox sailor submariner who has gone autonomous for six months - what is not an example for pride and imitation ?. A wife on the shore, the flesh demands, the hand does not rise when the team ... What to do?
          This is where the "different-sized saints" come to the rescue. You read the life of the Kiev-Pechersk Ioann the Long-suffering or Moisey Ugrin, how they fought "willingly", you begin to understand that you can cope if you want.
          I understand that the example is on the verge of a foul, but clearly, but apparently you do not understand the meaning of the saints. They do not pray to them specifically, "they say, solve my problems", but ask the Lord to put in a word for them. they pleased Him with their exploits and the Lord fulfills what they ask for.
          Roughly speaking, because not a priest at all and not a monk)))))
          We say one thing, do another, and all fall behind, it's not your business, we are always right.

          But this great misfortune and challenge for the Orthodox, who sincerely try to keep the commandments of God and see how the leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church go against the principles of Orthodoxy.
          By and large - this is the decline of Orthodoxy.
          Some of the Orthodox are degrading by adopting new trends.
          Part will see that this version of the Russian Orthodox Church barks and is silent and will turn to the basic firmware, which was before the changes were made, i.e. will go to the satro-ritual faith.
          It is easier for the "patriots" from the neighboring country, they have a choice between "Windows" and "Linux".
          1. Reducer
            Reducer April 25 2020 17: 06 New
            +3
            "... Then" saints of various sizes "come to the rescue. You read the life of the Kiev-Pechersk John the Long-suffering or Moisey Ugrin, how they fought with" hunting ", you begin to understand that you can cope if you want."
            Emasculate "Russian Orthodox submariners" or dig themselves up to their shoulders in the ground for forty days?!?!? This is progress in underwater science! )))
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          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan April 25 2020 15: 19 New
            +8
            What is overexcited? A good picture, the main thing is correct.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus April 25 2020 16: 18 New
              +5
              Leave Meehan alone. He is already "throttling" into the sofa. lol
          2. BAI
            BAI April 25 2020 15: 23 New
            11
            Think bastard

            Speak in such a lexicon in the zone.
            1. Malibu
              Malibu April 25 2020 15: 36 New
              -17
              Quote: BAI
              Think bastard

              Speak in such a lexicon in the zone.


              Which one? What is the number
          3. private person
            private person April 25 2020 15: 58 New
            +7
            Think bastard, which pictures to line the devil ..

            Au moderator how are you missing this? Or agree with this miracle?
            1. kjhg
              kjhg April 25 2020 17: 21 New
              +8
              Quote: private person

              Au moderator how are you missing this? Or agree with this miracle?

              No need to appeal to the moderators. Otherwise, we too will fall. All of us today are on the verge of breaking the rules of the site. And with a mikhan, what to take from him? He himself admitted that he registers one account per day.
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek April 25 2020 19: 24 New
              0
              Quote: private person
              Au moderator how are you missing this? Or agree with this miracle?

              if they normally take up the rules, then you should almost ban everyone here !!! wink laughing
              1. private person
                private person April 26 2020 07: 47 New
                +2
                then you should practically ban everyone here !!!


                And there will be people like you together screaming URA !!!!
          4. Squelcher
            Squelcher April 25 2020 22: 41 New
            -5
            And what to expect from the Satanists of the cult of the rotting mummy?
    5. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO April 25 2020 12: 43 New
      19
      Now the holiness of this, the temple, like the Yelkin Center ... pah!
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 25 2020 14: 13 New
        13
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        Now the holiness of this, the temple, like the Yelkin Center ... pah!

        There is a simple way to show your attitude towards the Russian Orthodox Church-lawlessness - do not go to this temple with an image ... well, you understand ...
      2. Lexus
        Lexus April 25 2020 16: 31 New
        10
        Alex, welcome!
        The idiots have their apostles. They will also paint the "face" where they put candles for the repose.
        1. DEDPIHTO
          DEDPIHTO April 25 2020 16: 52 New
          +7
          Quote: lexus
          Alex, welcome!
          The idiots have their apostles. They will also paint the "face" where they put candles for the repose.

          Hello namesake! hi So let them paint, there are probably a lot of candles for sale ...
          -In the church stench and twilight
          - The clerks smoke incense,
          -Yes, and in church everything is wrong
          - It's not right.
          Unforgettable V. Vysotsky.
    6. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer April 25 2020 14: 33 New
      27
      All this recalls the 90s, when all sorts of authorities and brothers built temples with their own money. In order to somehow pray for the deed.
      Only here with God it will not be possible to agree. God's court is not a district Basmanny or even constitutional.
      "... And everyone will be rewarded according to his deeds ..."
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee April 25 2020 15: 03 New
        25
        Quote: Reserve officer
        And everyone will be rewarded

  • businessv
    businessv April 25 2020 12: 35 New
    +7
    Quote: Skalendarka
    I wonder if Putin will be in galoshes or what?

    Outraged, I began to sprinkle my post (below), without even reading your posts, colleagues! I apologize for this and thank you for so unanimously expressing your opinion! (with rare exceptions, but thanks all the same!) hi
  • AK1972
    AK1972 April 25 2020 12: 36 New
    10
    Quote: Skalendarka
    I wonder if Putin will be in galoshes or what?

    On a galley chained to an oar, as an option in galoshes.
    1. Private89
      Private89 April 25 2020 12: 57 New
      11
      Likely to be so
    2. AUL
      AUL April 25 2020 14: 18 New
      +5
      Quote: AK1972
      On a galley chained to a paddle

      ... and on the mast - a blue flag. With a bear.
  • smart ass
    smart ass April 25 2020 13: 54 New
    19
    Perhaps not the topic, well, from the news ... The head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, asked Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin to postpone the payment of utility bills for church institutions .... then ordinary people and businesses should pay rent and a communal apartment, but the ROC will not. And when the Russian Orthodox Church candles, silver and gold traded and did not pay taxes it was normal.
    1. Private89
      Private89 April 25 2020 17: 22 New
      +3
      A temple for a billion
  • Svarog
    Svarog April 25 2020 14: 21 New
    15
    The Russian Orthodox Church considers it appropriate to depict Stalin and Putin in the main church of the Russian Armed Forces

    No Stalin is clear. Thanks to Stalin, they won the Second World War, infant mortality rates decreased at times and there was an unprecedented population growth, transmitting science and industry, he made such a contribution to the development of the country that we still use it. My grandmother has an icon on the mirror on one side, and on the other the face of Stalin, so the combination is quite appropriate.
    But if you hang it in a temple, it’s only in the context of evil .. The population under it is constantly decreasing, retirees for spread rot, science, education, medicine — it collapsed. Enriched friends of the oligarchs ... continuous devilry ..
  • Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter April 25 2020 16: 01 New
    -3
    Quote: Skalendarka
    I wonder if Putin will be in galoshes or what?

    And you yourself look at the link below. Putin is depicted there in a crowd of people. Well, that is, together with the people.
    http://in24.org/world/39208
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 25 2020 17: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      Quote: Skalendarka
      I wonder if Putin will be in galoshes or what?

      And you yourself look at the link below. Putin is depicted there in a crowd of people. Well, that is, together with the people.
      http://in24.org/world/39208

      In the crowd does not mean together .. does not mean at all. He has the whole people of the FSO, agents of the FSO move with him. And if it comes to the people, to the real people, it can grab a lyuley ..
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS April 26 2020 12: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Skalendarka
    I wonder if Putin will be in galoshes or what?

    Well, yes ... and this priest will rank him among the saints ... yeah ..
  • Misha Honest
    Misha Honest April 26 2020 19: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Skalendarka
    I wonder if Putin will be in galoshes or what?

    If everything is clear with the GDP (loot), then why the hell are Stalin and the generals so small, I’m silent that there are no Suvorov, Kutuzov, Chapaev, Margelov, Mikoyan, Mily m on the frescoes What GDP and his gang with Shoigu tav forgot? REALLY A SHAME for all our history.
  • pleschakovai
    pleschakovai April 27 2020 18: 40 New
    -1
    Naturally in galoshes, because in the USSR nothing but galoshes was produced? Neither rockets for space exploration, nor nuclear power plants, state district power plants, have not built so many plants and factories, have not revived cities and villages after the Second World War? The most intelligent ones now live and dominate, they can plunder natural resources, have bred oligarchs, MLNs, MLRDov and other speculative offspring! Trillions of funds were transferred to Offshore and abroad !!! My friends, ordinary Russians and villagers, gentlemen, comrades, do you not see that such a thing as a CULT OF PERSONALITY is being reborn? And who else will be depicted in a mosaic in the Main Temple of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev ... And who are the members of the Art Council who are they that solve this issue?
  • al3x
    al3x April 25 2020 11: 57 New
    +8
    Is this a April Fool’s joke? Duck with delay is already obtained, if so.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral April 25 2020 12: 01 New
      16
      And these 365 days a year are all April Fools.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 25 2020 12: 06 New
      14
      Quote: al3x
      Is this a April Fool’s joke? Duck with delay is already obtained, if so.

      Here is darkness! Yes, under Putin, not only "April 1" is a whole month, but also February 30th is every year!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather April 25 2020 16: 55 New
        +8
        The Russian Orthodox Church considers it appropriate to depict Stalin and Putin in the main church of the Russian Armed Forces
        Who asked here: what is the bottom ??? .... here it is ...
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 April 25 2020 11: 58 New
    13
    Where without Putin. He is not a girl who is decorated with modesty.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 25 2020 12: 56 New
      +5
      a modest politician is no longer a politician for
      too much does not happen in PR

  • NordUral
    NordUral April 25 2020 12: 00 New
    +6
    Hmm, there is a place for Stalin, but the rest has not yet come, and whether it will come at all is a big question.
    1. kjhg
      kjhg April 25 2020 12: 37 New
      17
      Quote: NordUral
      Hmm, there is a place for Stalin, but the rest has not yet come, and whether it will come at all is a big question.

      Now tell me that Comrade Stalin personally did such a bad thing for you, that you want to drag him into this institution to collect money from the people for palaces and limousines for crooks? His attitude towards religion and the church is well known. I don’t think he would like to get there.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 25 2020 13: 41 New
        +6
        Yes, I already realized, I repent. In this nativity scene, not Stalin, but just these heroes.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 25 2020 12: 41 New
      -2
      When did Stalin be counted among the saints? Alexander Nevsky, Fedor Ushakov, Dmitry Donskoy - canonized, he and the place in the temple.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 25 2020 13: 42 New
        +8
        Already admitted a mistake, Andrew. Stalin's place is on Red Square.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 25 2020 13: 52 New
          10
          He is already buried near the Kremlin wall.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral April 25 2020 13: 58 New
            +9
            I said that, Andrey. Only on great holidays, so that together with Lenin in the usual place for Soviet people, something like this:
        2. smart ass
          smart ass April 25 2020 15: 54 New
          +6
          Stalin's place in the Kremlin in the place of the president
      2. kjhg
        kjhg April 25 2020 15: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        When did Stalin be counted among the saints? Alexander Nevsky, Fedor Ushakov, Dmitry Donskoy - canonized, he and the place in the temple

        The canonization of saints only remotely reflects the real merits of the country's leader. Why are not a single leader of the USSR canonized? Yes, because, despite all their merits in the development of the country, their excursion to the church was negative or neutral. There is not even Ivan the Terrible, who has increased the country by 4 times! But Nicholas the bloody canonized. I won’t be surprised if, over time, Yeltsin is also canonized. Ugh on them and those who do this.
    3. Private89
      Private89 April 25 2020 13: 02 New
      +8
      On the one hand, yes, on the other, they will depict Stalin with a cross in his hand, it will be very strange, in general, it’s a chip to sculpt them from Stalin, a sort of red emperor, to oppose it to Lenin and to extinct those ideas that he served, and these ideas are dangerous for the current bourgeois government.
  • K-50
    K-50 April 25 2020 12: 01 New
    27
    The Russian Orthodox Church considers the appearance on the walls of the main church of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation of mosaics depicting mosaics depicting top officials of the state, in particular, Vladimir Putin, Sergei Shoigu, Joseph Stalin and others.

    And, in my opinion, this is ordinary blasphemy, because none of them was involved in the faces of the saints. I don’t even think that they expressed such a desire. This is just an excuse to bend under power, to sneak.
    In general, the church itself, somehow degenerated, sank.
    How many scandals happened to her, and there will be more. There are no truly believing people there, but only anointed ones. Yes, and let them.
    One good thing is that I do not consider myself a believer in this.
    1. AK1972
      AK1972 April 25 2020 12: 18 New
      14
      Quote: K-50
      And, in my opinion, this is ordinary blasphemy, because none of them was involved in the faces of the saints.

      This is blasphemy squared. To place a Marxist, and therefore atheist Stalin on the facade of the temple, means blasphemy over the name of Stalin and the history of the USSR and Russia. Blasphemy for the church - instead of frescoes of saints, place an implacable fighter with religion, and even in such a strange environment. I hope at least admire EBNom will not be there.
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 April 25 2020 12: 43 New
        21
        Stalin is there in the background in the form of a poster that holds one of our Victorious Warriors, which does not diminish the strangeness of his appearance. But Putin, Matvienko, Volodin, Bortnikov, Patrushev, Shoigu - this is generally no way.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan April 25 2020 15: 01 New
          +2
          But are there even these ones - Matvienko, Volodin, Bortnikov, Patrushev? Maybe there is Yeltsin?
          Who knows, write.
          1. Van 16
            Van 16 April 25 2020 15: 51 New
            +3
            The listed are. Yeltsin is not. On the Internet there are a lot of photos, it is inconvenient to insert from the phone. And, and below in the comments somewhere there.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day April 25 2020 15: 58 New
            +7
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Who knows, write.


            lower left corner
      2. Altona
        Altona April 25 2020 13: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: AK1972
        I hope at least admire EBNom will not be there.

        ------------------------
        Why not? It is quite possible. I'm talking about EBN. They will have such an alcoholic trinity-Noah, Yeltsin and Poroshenko. Yes, that same Saint Noah was quite a drunk and a winemaker, and he was entrusted with saving the world, that is, building an ark and arriving at a pile of rubble called Ararat. So that the salvation of the world would not be completely sad, God would give Noah a vine of grapes. Well, this is my value judgment, because God had a lot of reasons to send some more significant punishment to humanity instead of the flood. God nevertheless carries a humanistic principle, unlike Satan. And humanity by that time was the number with a small microdistrict, about 4000 people and there was nowhere to sample, all the lascivious and adulterers, mercenaries and parasites, drunks and deceivers. In general, Noah turned out to be more or less positive, he thumped quietly, did not make scandals, the rest of the time he worked so that his wife wouldn’t saw. And all this, hmm, a population of people, it was necessary to punish roughly, which was done. hi
    2. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko April 25 2020 12: 38 New
      -20
      Temples were not originally for saints. For saints, this is a church and more. Temples in Russia were originally intended for the memory of military events, and not Christ. It is religious people who are tenants of temples. Nor is there any profanity.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim April 25 2020 13: 20 New
        17
        Do not so clearly demonstrate their loyal ignorance. The Orthodox church is precisely the church. Moreover, each temple is dedicated to God, bearing a name in memory of a holy event or saint of God. If there are several altars in it, then each of them is consecrated in memory of a special holiday or saint. Then all the altars, except the main one, are called chapels.
    3. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m April 25 2020 13: 33 New
      14
      Quote: K-50
      This is just an excuse to bend under power, to sneak.

      Yeah, no one has licked so deep yet.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan April 25 2020 15: 00 New
        +5
        Yes, they lick each other.
    4. Galleon
      Galleon April 25 2020 14: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: K-50
      And, in my opinion, this is ordinary blasphemy, because none of them was involved in the faces of the saints.

      Please: Plato and Aristotle, fresco in an Orthodox church. I, like you, feel a sense of disgust from today's fact, but in the Orthodox tradition there is a fad to portray pagan philosophers (not even baptized, not even Christians, not that not saints) who came to the idea of ​​Christianity.
  • AK1972
    AK1972 April 25 2020 12: 02 New
    21
    Patriarch Kirill Gundyaev is probably now preparing amendments to the church canon on the possibility in some cases to be venerated in life, the mosaic on the halo is already ready.
  • Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Aristarkh Lyudvigovich April 25 2020 12: 04 New
    38
    Oh, not so I imagined the 21st century as a child ...
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 25 2020 12: 21 New
      -24
      Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Oh, not so I imagined the 21st century as a child ...

      Something a la "Dunno in the Solar City"? I'm not teasing, I'm just interested.
      1. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 April 25 2020 12: 37 New
        21
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Oh, not so I imagined the 21st century as a child ...

        Something a la "Dunno in the Solar City"? I'm not teasing, I'm just interested.

        Jack, well, how are you going to this "temple", bowing down and making the sign of the cross, before the bright face of Valentina, the glass-martyr and passion-tolerant non-traditionalist Vyacheslav V.?

        PS You won’t believe it, it’s also really interesting.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 25 2020 13: 09 New
          -24
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Jack, what about you?

          Do not poke, do not harness ...

          Quote: Leshy1975
          you will go to this "temple"

          I am an unbeliever. I do not believe in God, I do not believe in government, I do not believe in anyone. I believe only in my own strength (s).

          By the way, I also do not believe in goblin and other brownies wink

          Quote: Leshy1975
          also really interesting

          I get it?
          1. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 April 25 2020 13: 25 New
            14
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Jack, what about you?

            Do not poke, do not harness ...

            Quote: Leshy1975
            you will go to this "temple"

            I am an unbeliever. I do not believe in God, I do not believe in government, I do not believe in anyone. I believe only in my own strength (s).

            By the way, I also do not believe in goblin and other brownies wink

            Quote: Leshy1975
            also really interesting

            I get it?

            Jack, what am I reading, how do I understand this ?!
            I don’t believe the government, I don’t believe anyone

            You don’t believe the government ?! You, who all these years, have been the most ardent defender of power ?! But I believe in you! Do not destroy my faith. Or do you propose now, a personal dossier on fire? Do you think it's time?
            Characteristic on Jack (aka Manul, aka well, etc.):
            Ruthless to the enemies of GDP, with proponents of power is soft and complaisant. True Putreot and consistent endorsement.

            PS The time has come, and we are still surprised at the new mosaics in the temple. What is there to be surprised if even Jack does not believe in the power of the Russian Federation and it turns out that he does not even believe in MOST (and how he breathed, how he breathed). This is more surprising than even some kind of mosaic. wink
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 25 2020 13: 49 New
              -15
              Quote: Leshy1975
              You, who all these years, have been the most ardent defender of power?

              It seems so to you. The fact that I kick the characters who are watering this power, ahem, with impurities does not mean at all that I personally really like this power. Are you able to learn this? We go further:

              I, you see, worked for a long time with responsibility somewhere in 1 microputin (rather, even less, but the order is that). This is if we take the responsibility lying on Putin for a unit. So - to work like this - it is very gimorno, nervous and stressful. And the result is sometimes achieved, ahem, not quite the one that was originally planned.

              Therefore, stupid people for whom "everything is simple" evoke a clear reaction of rejection in me. That's all.

              Quote: Leshy1975
              True Putreot and Consistent Approval

              I would tell you who I see you, but these (quite, by the way, literary) words here are equated with obscenities. Well, you get it, I think.

              Quote: Leshy1975
              This is more amazing than even some kind of mosaic.

              If you start thinking with your brains, not with your senses, you will not be so surprised. But you are unlikely to start, "devil" is not given request
              1. Svarog
                Svarog April 25 2020 14: 41 New
                +7
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                The fact that I kick the characters who are watering this power, ahem, with impurities does not mean at all that I personally really like this power.

                It's funny .. you personally don’t like the power .. but apparently the one who pays you, he likes our power and you just have to stand up to defend this power, even compromising your dignity and prudence. In another way you can’t understand and sit on two chairs doesn’t work out .. either a cross or underpants ..
                And the result is sometimes achieved, ahem, not quite the one that was originally planned.

                It depends on what you mean by the result .. When friends are in silk, and the people in Mr. are also the result .. You want to say that he wanted to do the opposite, but it didn’t work .. wassat
                Roman, you have a break in the template, and therefore, it’s hard for you to be convincing.
                If you start thinking with your brains, not with your senses, you will not be so surprised. But you are unlikely to start, "devil" is not given request

                typical putriot .. in the case there is nothing to say, have to be rude ..
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 25 2020 14: 54 New
                  -11
                  Quote: Svarog
                  apparently the one who pays you, he likes our power and you just have to stand up to defend this power, even compromising your dignity and prudence

                  You, my friend, have forgotten how to read the campaign - I kind of clearly set out everything there. Well, or you really are a program, then everything is clear.

                  Quote: Svarog
                  don't understand you

                  Do not strain. It’s not given to you, I’m much smarter than I sometimes seem wink

                  Quote: Svarog
                  you have a break in the template and therefore it’s hard for you to be convincing

                  I repeat - you just can't read. Well, that is, to absorb the read.

                  Try again ... but hope is vanishingly small request

                  Quote: Svarog
                  You want to say that he wanted to do the opposite, but it didn’t work out ..

                  I want to say that you are still a program. I wrote for myself there, but I did it for Putin tongue

                  Quote: Svarog
                  nothing to say in the case

                  Mdya ... exactly a program ...

                  Quote: Svarog
                  have to be rude

                  Go on. Read, sing, dance ... rude. I am in parallel yes
                  1. Leshy1975
                    Leshy1975 April 25 2020 15: 29 New
                    11
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    It’s not given to you, I’m much smarter than I sometimes seem

                    I repeat - you just can't read. Well, that is, to absorb the read.
                    Try again ... but hope is vanishingly small

                    Jack, the fact that you are a mass of all kinds of talents, plus modesty itself, we always remember that. For this, we love you. What do you remind us of this every time?
                    Even so, next to such a clump of virtues like you, it’s very uncomfortable and very embarrassing that it’s not possible to reach your heights.
                    So to make amends, I offer what. Citizen on all sides you are the most worthy and only positive, unlike us.
                    No worse than those on the mosaic will be marked for posterity. And perhaps even more than others he did for the state. I think that the fighter of the Internet front - Jack, is also worthy of being spotted for posterity on the mosaic. Also as one of the symbols of the Putin era. Well, it’s clear that it’s not in the front row, here I’m sorry - there’s not enough space, but in the row so third, fourth, that’s what will happen. Well, if all of a sudden, your face is terribly secret, then I think that it will completely come off and your current profile picture will even look very organic there.

                    PS I'm serious. If you suddenly need to sign a petition there, for posting Golovan Jack's avatar behind Putin - I will sign the first one, do not even doubt it.
                    The country must remember its modest, inconspicuous heroes. hi
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 25 2020 15: 34 New
                      -14
                      You better not try to be "sarcastic", devil. Doesn't work out for you request
                2. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek April 25 2020 20: 53 New
                  -7
                  Quote: Svarog
                  but apparently the one who pays you,

                  and who pays for you ??? wassat
              2. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan April 25 2020 15: 12 New
                +9
                Therefore, stupid people for whom "everything is simple" evoke a clear reaction of rejection in me.

                You probably wrote about these smart ones:
                - who threatened not to pump gas through Ukraine in 2020 and managed it;
                - which 3 lard greens compensation paid Ukraine;
                - which even Nord Stream 2 could not finish;
                - who have ruined the country's demography so much that fewer people are born than they die.
                It is possible to enumerate such "achievements" for a long time.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 25 2020 15: 28 New
                  -13
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  This is probably about these smart you wrote

                  Not ... I wrote about you:

                  - letters to add words (well, read, write that is) you, with a sin in half, have learned; understand what is read - no
                  - you may have worked up to a sweat, perhaps (not a fact, but I suppose - perhaps) have learned; work for the result - definitely not
                  - and tede and tepe

                  At the same time, you with extraordinary ease climb to talk about things in which you don’t understand anything. Like you "don't see the result". It's not even funny, buddy. This is extremely unfortunate.

                  And your name is legion. A lot of you, that is. As for me, it’s even too much request
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                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 25 2020 18: 03 New
                      -11
                      Quote: Svarog
                      you only blow into the causal place of power ..

                      Man, careful in terms ... fraught.

                      Quote: Svarog
                      The conclusion is simple, either for money, or everything suits you ..

                      As the analyst is, so is the analysis. Of you, "Svarog", an analyst - like a ballerina of me ... with my arthritis and other, ahem, features request

                      Quote: Svarog
                      and if it’s not happy, so be consistent ..

                      I am quite consistent. It is thanks to the fact that I never completely trust anyone - I’m still alive, relatively healthy and unhurt.

                      And you don’t need to treat me, you’re not a doctor. Yes, and the Doctor - that one also does not work very well. In short - leave me alone, let me work already, I'm not joking about the porridge that is currently cooking on my Internet ... strictly according to the main (and only) work:

                      1. Svarog
                        Svarog April 25 2020 18: 12 New
                        11
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Man, careful in terms ... fraught.

                        laughing Well, show already the full power of your puffed marshals .. crush amicably the minuses .. there I still have a lot of comments .. laughing
                        You regularly threaten laughing Is it obvious from inferiority? Roma, if you hadn’t had a lot of puffed marshals in your dance class, you wouldn’t have climbed out of skulls .. Very soon they won’t help you laughing
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                    2. Varyag71
                      Varyag71 April 27 2020 12: 24 New
                      -2
                      Your mom doesn’t allow you to talk differently, otherwise you would probably show that you would shake your fist, and your folds would shake with fear.
          2. Terenin
            Terenin April 25 2020 21: 55 New
            -5
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Therefore, stupid people for whom "everything is simple" evoke a clear reaction of rejection in me.

            You probably wrote about these smart ones:
            - who threatened not to pump gas through Ukraine in 2020 and managed it;
            - which 3 lard greens compensation paid Ukraine;
            - which even Nord Stream 2 could not finish;
            - who have ruined the country's demography so much that fewer people are born than they die.
            It is possible to enumerate such "achievements" for a long time.

            With similar chants, recently in Ukraine, Poroshenko and Zelensky jumped. Are they your idols?
  • sabakina
    sabakina April 25 2020 12: 39 New
    17
    Roman, hi. And how did you imagine the 21st century? Kin-Dza-Dza? At first, we did not understand this film, but how prophetic it turned out to be! Ku! hi
    1. Amateur
      Amateur April 25 2020 13: 01 New
      10
      What about Harry Potter? There are so many interesting characters!
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 25 2020 14: 41 New
        +9
        Quote: Amateur
        What about Harry Potter? There are so many interesting characters!

        Dobby saved Potter's life, he said so:
        “Dobby is a free Elf. Dobby came here to save Harry Potter. "
        And this one, similar to him, why did you come? To lead people into poverty? To establish genocide of the population, which is corrected by simplifying the issuance of citizenship? Make everyone work for the oligarchs to death? And then, when in the country it will be necessary to take a responsible decision to zero out your sins and cover everything with self-isolation?
        No.
        1. Amateur
          Amateur April 25 2020 14: 45 New
          +1
          “Dobby is a free Elf.

          Dobby became free only after receiving a sock from Trump Lucius Malfoy. And before that ....
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 25 2020 13: 12 New
      -15
      Quote: sabakina
      Roman, hello

      Great, Glory.

      Quote: sabakina
      And how did you imagine the 21st century?

      But no way. I never think so far, never. And the Oblomingo bird therefore visits me much less often than many others wink

      Quote: sabakina
      We didn’t understand this movie at first.

      Well, you didn’t understand it ...

      Quote: sabakina
      and how prophetic it turned out to be! Ku!

      Not so simple ... well, oh well, ku - so ku hi
      1. Malibu
        Malibu April 25 2020 13: 15 New
        -10
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: sabakina
        Roman, hello

        Great, Glory.

        Quote: sabakina
        And how did you imagine the 21st century?

        But no way. I never think so far, never. And the Oblomingo bird therefore visits me much less often than many others wink

        Quote: sabakina
        We didn’t understand this movie at first.

        Well, you didn’t understand it ...

        Quote: sabakina
        and how prophetic it turned out to be! Ku!

        Not so simple ... well, oh well, ku - so ku hi

        Hello everyone too! he hehe Excellent work and communication .. hi
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 14: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: sabakina
      And how did you imagine the 21st century?

      Like an Indian movie. Ganga and Jamba ... laughing
    4. Malibu
      Malibu April 25 2020 15: 31 New
      -8
      Quote: sabakina
      Roman, hi. And how did you imagine the 21st century? Kin-Dza-Dza? At first, we did not understand this film, but how prophetic it turned out to be! Ku! hi

      Licked Jack)))) Well done and how many pluses right away. Eh dog, barking further with howls .. laughing
  • really
    really April 25 2020 12: 24 New
    0
    But how did you represent him?
  • Malibu
    Malibu April 25 2020 12: 29 New
    -13
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Oh, not so I imagined the 21st century as a child ...

    But what about Aristarchus? All cosmopolitans and universal oligarchic prosperity?
    And someone works silently for you, supplying everyone .. wink Sweeping the yards and cleaning the sewers?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 25 2020 14: 32 New
    +7
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Oh, not so I imagined the 21st century as a child ...

    It’s good that you had at least some idea. And here it may seem that some “civilians” and “semi-state” did not imagine the XNUMXst century at all. Such crap is wrapped up that “hair will come out of the orbits” ... wassat
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 25 2020 12: 04 New
    +6
    You won’t erase words from the history, just like from a song! This is folk, our common wisdom !!! So why are they still doing this ??? That is the question?
    There is an alley / parade of all the leaders of the country ... then EVERYTHING should be, no matter how we treat them.
    Harmful, dangerous, to coddle one, belittling the desires of others.
    1. Malibu
      Malibu April 25 2020 13: 17 New
      -6
      Quote: rocket757
      You won’t erase words from the history, just like from a song! This is folk, our common wisdom !!! So why are they still doing this ??? That is the question?

      Or maybe it's a fake ..?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 25 2020 13: 23 New
        +1
        To me, a church showdown is somehow not very good, even for ourselves.
        This concrete object is not church affairs, but national affairs. Let the people decide what they need.
        1. Malibu
          Malibu April 25 2020 13: 51 New
          -12
          Quote: rocket757
          To me, a church showdown is somehow not very good, even for ourselves.
          This concrete object is not church affairs, but national affairs. Let the people decide what they need.

          Judging by the minuses, the people here decide nothing ...
          They have been nibbling our Orthodox faith for a long time .. And this is the only foundation of Russia left hi
          The Russian Orthodox Church will fall and Russia will certainly not be, as such, only biologists and workers working in the oil and gas fields working for food ..
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 25 2020 15: 07 New
            +5
            FAITH is a very broad concept. To each his own.
            I believe only in my GREAT PEOPLE, and the rest is very even to me.
            1. Malibu
              Malibu April 25 2020 15: 40 New
              -10
              Quote: rocket757
              FAITH is a very broad concept. To each his own.
              I believe only in my GREAT PEOPLE, and the rest is very even to me.

              Afraid and doing the right thing ..!
              Okay, I’ll work here myself. Eh, how many of these devils got divorced))) Here is our Russian, maybe they will run away ..
              There are more and more of them!
              And what to do with them?

              That's how we survive ..
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 15: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              FAITH is a very broad concept.

              Yes, Vera said and shot Lyubka ...
      2. AUL
        AUL April 25 2020 14: 43 New
        12
        Quote: Malibu
        Or maybe it's a fake ..?

        Talks about pension reform were also announced fake at first. Accustomed gradually, from afar.
        PS I wonder how the sun-faced himself reacted to this initiative.
        "Well, what are you, why ... I really feel so embarrassed! Although, since all the people are demanding, then let me be against the people - not really!"
  • ddmitrij
    ddmitrij April 25 2020 12: 05 New
    +6
    Why, Lord?
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY April 25 2020 12: 11 New
      -5
      Here, after all, many whined and complained about how hard it was to live in a country without state ideology.
      And so the desire of the afflicted was quenched, and Russia again received ideology in its best form.
      1. tatra
        tatra April 25 2020 15: 19 New
        +2
        Yes, in post-Soviet Russia for more than 30 years there has been an ideology-ANTI-Soviet.
        1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
          BREAKTHROUGH READY April 25 2020 15: 38 New
          -5
          And what does this ANTI-Soviet show up in?
          I think when in Russia the number of monuments of the Great Patriotic War and the victims of the communist regime (and there are much more than those who suffered during the war) is equal, then you can try to start a conversation about anti-Soviet. In the meantime, these are some unhealthy fantasies of yours.
          1. tatra
            tatra April 25 2020 20: 15 New
            +3
            Yes, you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, have NO and none of YOURSELF good for our country and people, you only have malice AGAINST everything Soviet. Therefore, you have such a schizophrenic ideology after your capture of the USSR - if the Bolshevik communists and their supporters had an ideology about YOURSELF from the very beginning, about what they did, then you and your capture of the USSR have an ideology about Bolsheviks-Communists , about what they did, and YOURSELF, and what you yourself did during the Soviet period and after the capture of the USSR you really do not like to discuss.
            1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
              BREAKTHROUGH READY April 25 2020 20: 26 New
              -9
              What is this unreadable schizophrenic nonsense, can you write normally?
              1. tatra
                tatra April 25 2020 20: 37 New
                +3
                If you do not understand something, I can explain it 100 times, maybe it will work. ANTI-Sovietism among the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people is the only justification for their seizure of the USSR in 30 years, and the basis of the statehood of their "independence-self", their ideology, they all these 30 years every day selflessly suck everything that the Bolshevik-Communists did and their supporters, and their "history" of their country, and the cowardly blaming on the Bolshevik-Communists for what their external and internal enemies did both in the Soviet and post-Soviet periods.
                1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
                  BREAKTHROUGH READY April 25 2020 22: 21 New
                  -6
                  Yeah ... I’m not at all surprised that only marginalized and illiterate ignorant people drown behind the social system.
                  1. Varyag71
                    Varyag71 April 27 2020 12: 41 New
                    0
                    with which cesspool bother you?
    2. sabakina
      sabakina April 25 2020 12: 40 New
      16
      Quote: ddmitrij
      Why, Lord?

      Pride. The man thought he was superior to God ...
      1. Altona
        Altona April 25 2020 13: 22 New
        13
        Quote: sabakina
        The man thought he was superior to God ...

        --------------------------------
        And we even know this person. Recently, he has reset all that is possible. hi
  • Well done
    Well done April 25 2020 12: 05 New
    +8
    Yeah! In the Temple, one could do without politics. Not even possible, but necessary!
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY April 25 2020 12: 13 New
      -7
      Well, I do not.
      Why then do we need temples without politics?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 15: 47 New
        0
        Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH
        Why then do we need temples without politics?

        A candle must be kept.
  • Leshy1975
    Leshy1975 April 25 2020 12: 06 New
    31
    Once again I am convinced of the omnipotence of Mr. Putin and his entourage. Yes, they break through another bottom - just spit, gentlemen are strong.
    At the same time, it is clarified that not all members of the expert council of the Russian Orthodox Church agreed with the image of Joseph Stalin in a mosaic dedicated to the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, but the decision was made, since this is Russian history.

    Well, really, where is the scale of the personality and accomplishments of the Stalin era and where are the gentlemen of the caliber of Putin and Vali Matvienko, she also seems to be present on the mosaic.

    PS The Sabbath, looking at that, I just want to spit from disgust.
  • 22 dmdc
    22 dmdc April 25 2020 12: 07 New
    +9
    Here they are "Heroes of Our Time"!
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 12: 50 New
      16
      Quote: 22 dmdc
      Here they are "Heroes of Our Time"!

      Abramovichs, Deripasoks, Rotenbergs and others need to be drawn there, otherwise only a part of the "heroes".
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci April 25 2020 14: 15 New
        +6
        They are behind them pushing them with kicks (a cord, a cord).
    2. Svarog
      Svarog April 25 2020 14: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: 22 dmdc
      Here they are "Heroes of Our Time"!

      Is it a banter or are you serious?
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 25 2020 14: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: 22 dmdc
      Here they are "Heroes of Our Time"!

      Of these, half AK did not hold in their hands ... lol
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha April 25 2020 12: 08 New
    20
    obscurantism on the march
  • zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 April 25 2020 12: 08 New
    +7
    Why is it that I have more and more the feeling that the world is crazy. The white is getting black. Or is it completely out of my head with me? First, the Russian Orthodox Church exposes Nikolashka to the face (this is the one who stood at the origins of the collapse of the empire), now he is not against Stalin (although he raised a strong leader, he is another state), but he shed the blood of his people. I will not say anything about GDP (who knows repeat laughing laughing ) But what about "don't make yourself an idol"?
    1. Romey
      Romey April 25 2020 14: 16 New
      +3
      Nicholas 2 was ranked as a saint, not as a politician and statesman, but as a Christian, who suffered for the faith at the hands of militant atheists. From the point of view of dogma, there are no contradictions. The image of Stalin in the temple, although controversial from this point of view, is nevertheless at least somehow explainable. But the image of non-ordinary shameful persons is outrageous and inexplicable on any side. And the position of the hierarchy, nodding at the images of Roman emperors in churches is absolutely inappropriate, since the emperors, starting with Constantine the Great, were not only secular, but also church figures with a special status of the anointed of God.
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 April 25 2020 14: 30 New
        +6
        The fact of the matter is Dmitry, that Nikolashka was canonized as a former tsar. Well, the renounced one cannot be a martyr. If he resisted, I would agree with you. But he chose the "safety" of the family, not the country. Well, about the temple: Russia was defended by all peoples (Orthodox, believers, Buddhists and others). It was necessary to build then for everyone. But now it turns out that some are building their own mausoleum. All this is not right, it divides and does not unite.
        1. Romey
          Romey April 25 2020 14: 40 New
          -5
          Colleague, I do not agree with you here. Not all the Sovereigns were counted simply by the fact of some extraordinary event. In the case of Nikolai Aleksandrovich, outside the judgment of his rule, it must be recognized that he and his family ended their lives with dignity and courage from a purely Christian point of view.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir April 25 2020 18: 04 New
            -1
            In the case of Nikolai Alexandrovich
            And what was Alexander Nikolaevich? Which was blown up by a bomb, which suffered for a long time and left with dignity. Only now, not the Bolshevik did it. Nobody remembers.
            And Pavel Petrovich, whom the son soaked, though not with his own hands, but did not punish the regicide. Recognized daddy crazy. But the madman is not sorry.
            But Nikolasha did a worthy thing when, during his coronation, a hodinka formed, and he didn’t remember anyone, he didn’t go to church. His main achievement is that he was shot ... and upon his death the country of Soviets appeared. And here along the counts, and the princes, all the tsar regretted sternly.
      2. tatra
        tatra April 25 2020 15: 25 New
        +2
        Stop lying and being hypocritical. The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people are STRICTLY praising one Russian monarch, and you staged a "Ecumenical lament" for his execution, ONLY because he was the last, to create your anti-Soviet myth - how everything was wonderful before the communists. If the FORMER Emperor Nicholas II was killed NOT by the Bolsheviks, you would not care about his death.
        1. Romey
          Romey April 25 2020 15: 32 New
          0
          If only ... if only ... I just don't want to arrange another srach on this topic. Therefore, I will refrain from communicating with the "addicted" and will allow myself to ignore this fiery, rather provocative tirade.
          1. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 April 25 2020 17: 15 New
            -2
            At the expense of fiery speeches, I agree with you Dmitry. But you need to look at the discussion set. As you said earlier, you are a martyr. So you have to canonize everyone, up to the last peasant, who vanished into a revolutionary horror that happened with connivance just in the reign Nicholas. I do not condone not white, not red, not green. But I do not want to be erected from a snail.
            1. tatra
              tatra April 25 2020 20: 21 New
              0
              The classical essence of the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR is "and I am not for anyone, for anything, for nothing." And with all this, they climb to discuss the history and politics of their country.
              1. zadorin1974
                zadorin1974 April 25 2020 23: 33 New
                -1
                You Irina heard such a saying "I am a patriot, but not." So during the revolution, the whole people, the whole country lost. And blood was poured in rivers, both red and white. So we don't need slogans and we don't need to wave the Red flag here It was necessary to wave at 86 when Gorbachev unfolded the catastrophe. In 93 it was necessary to scream. And now it's just profanity)))) At the expense of history, I have a classical Soviet education, then they taught me to think and read smart books.
                1. tatra
                  tatra April 26 2020 08: 27 New
                  -3
                  The classic cowardly nature of the enemies of the communists, who, all these 100 years after the October Revolution, have nothing to do with what they got after their capture of the USSR, but have nothing to do with what they did during the Soviet period and after their capture of the USSR , including the Civil War unleashed by them after the October Revolution with the aim of capturing Russia, and their seizure and dismemberment of the USSR in their anti-Soviet Perestroika.
                  1. zadorin1974
                    zadorin1974 April 26 2020 15: 32 New
                    -1
                    And you will be cured))))))
    2. tatra
      tatra April 25 2020 20: 18 New
      -3
      The internal enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people are NOT our people. They captured the USSR, plundered it, robbed our people, staged the genocide of our people of tens of millions of people, slandered the history of our country and people, great people and real heroes of our country.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 25 2020 12: 15 New
    24
    What is the difference between the Russian Orthodox Church and the cat? Both "namerek" love to lick the ass ... only the cat - his own, and the ROC .............!
    1. Gato
      Gato April 25 2020 14: 10 New
      +1
      Why cats at once ?! Cats don’t pay taxes, don’t go to the polls and don’t paint eggs.
      hi
  • Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 April 25 2020 12: 15 New
    27
    no need to nullify our glorious victories. chimera from Gundyaev .. who earned billions on excise taxes in the dashing 90gg, can not act as a measure of who and what deserves.
  • 1536
    1536 April 25 2020 12: 17 New
    +1
    The preserved frescoes of St. Sophia Cathedral in Kiev (built in 1036 to commemorate the victory over the Pechenegs) depict hunting scenes, for example, in which the prince and his comrades defeat wild animals. Such was the Byzantine church tradition.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 25 2020 12: 49 New
      +9
      Victory over the Pechenegs? So, also our temple !!!
    2. kjhg
      kjhg April 25 2020 13: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: 1536
      Such was the Byzantine church tradition.

      Well, why do we need to return to the abnormal traditions of antiquity? In conscience, and even directly in the hands of the church of those times, there is so much blood that can not be counted. People were burned alive at the stake. Among them were even outstanding scientists. For example, Giordano Bruno, the first to suggest that this Earth revolves around the Sun, and not vice versa. And how much blood did the crusaders shed in the name of faith and with direct funding from the church? Look, today the Ishilovites also truly believe in their god and cut off the heads of infidels on his behalf.
  • businessv
    businessv April 25 2020 12: 22 New
    11
    The Russian Orthodox Church considers the appearance on the walls of the main church of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation of mosaics depicting mosaics depicting top officials of the state, in particular, Vladimir Putin, Sergei Shoigu, Joseph Stalin and others.
    Then what? Each next president and defense minister will be added ?! Maybe you should ask believers for their opinions? Or the temple of the Armed Forces of Russia does not belong to the temple, and there on the walls can be not only the faces of saints? IMHO, it is enough a commemorative plaque on the fence of the temple for whose money, on whose initiative and under what president it was erected.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 25 2020 12: 24 New
    22
    Stupidity and sacrilege over a holy place! To erect monuments, to depict on books, to write a book, to create a film FOUNDED about the same Stalin (to keep Bondarchuk close to the film !!!), but there is no place for such mosaics in the church! And then silently swallow, and panels will appear in the temples with the Deripaska, Potanin, Vekselberg, Chubais! !!! And Putin is obliged to demand to remove the panel with his appearance, for honestly, he did not deserve such an honor!
  • DeusExMachina
    DeusExMachina April 25 2020 12: 26 New
    21
    Something tells me that Joseph Vissarionovich would not have approved such a use of his own person.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy April 25 2020 12: 31 New
    +6
    Somehow it's not right
  • smaug78
    smaug78 April 25 2020 12: 32 New
    19
    What else does the ROC corporation say? After all, their god Mammon ...
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 April 25 2020 12: 34 New
    +8
    I read the comments and remember that it was Stalin who actually stopped the destruction of the church.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 25 2020 13: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: Dart2027
      I read the comments and remember that it was Stalin who actually stopped the destruction of the church.

      In addition, he graduated from the 4th class Gori Theological School and studied at the Tiflis Theological Seminary for 4 years.
  • Malibu
    Malibu April 25 2020 12: 37 New
    -19
    Well, all the obsolescals slandered Belarus, Czech Republic, Ukraine. Kazakhstan, Putin, Glazyev and got to the Russian Orthodox Church, as usual .. lol
    And where is the article about Israel? People demand hi The soul must also take gentlemen liberal journalists .. Have a conscience! angry
  • Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar April 25 2020 12: 39 New
    +4
    The temple and the road of memory are amazing:
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 April 25 2020 12: 46 New
      17
      Quote: Laksamana Besar
      The temple and the road of memory are amazing:

      Yes. And the most amazing in it will be images of Putin, Matvienko, Volodin and Co.

      PS Black humor. The brothers of the 90s, who put grandiose memorials in cemeteries, can rise from the coffins with envy.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 15: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Leshy1975
        from envy from coffins can rise.

        Not. Vidic and a pair of TTs do not allow.
  • alex aircraft
    alex aircraft April 25 2020 12: 40 New
    16
    And why is there no mosaic of Rottenberg Chubais Miller Medvedev and other great figures of the times of GDP? Disgrace!
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka April 25 2020 21: 10 New
      -4
      Quote: alex aircraft
      And why is there no mosaic of Rottenberg Chubais Miller Medvedev and other great figures of the times of GDP? Disgrace!

      And in the cathedral shop kaledoscopes will be sold, there you can wind up any mosaics right up to the labeled ones ...
  • alone
    alone April 25 2020 12: 41 New
    +8
    Quote: Infinity
    Putin is not only our president, but also God the Emperor!

    For them, yes ... They are busy with good deeds .. laughing
    Remember the phrase? "How much is opium for the people?" .. Nothing has changed since then .. Unless priests used to be
    walked or donkey..And now on armored Limousines
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka April 25 2020 13: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      Quote: Infinity
      Putin is not only our president, but also God the Emperor!

      For them, yes ... They are busy with good deeds .. laughing
      Remember the phrase? "How much is opium for the people?" .. Nothing has changed since then .. Unless priests used to be
      walked or donkey..And now on armored Limousines

      What, again, ... Kazlevich is being fooled ... ''?
      1. alone
        alone April 25 2020 13: 34 New
        +7
        Quote: Skalendarka
        What, again, ... Kazlevich is being fooled ... ''?

        And not only ... And not only the Russian Orthodox Church, but the Muslim clergy and the Rabbis are busy with this .. hi Because the feeder is one .. From one wallet managed
  • exo
    exo April 25 2020 12: 44 New
    13
    Lizobsluzhdenie is a national trait. Unfortunately. Then comes the other extreme.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 25 2020 12: 45 New
    +3
    It would be strange if the mosaic dedicated to the Victory Parade did not have an image of Supreme Commander-in-Chief Joseph Stalin,
    It is strange that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief V. Putin does not understand this and we still have no monuments to Stalin and Dzerzhinsky. request
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 12: 46 New
    16
    This is the ROC licked, so licked. Yes, and next to Stalin, there are no censored words, and soon they will be reckoned among saints, in life.
  • Jager
    Jager April 25 2020 12: 47 New
    19
    He rubbed his eyes, maybe he didn’t oversleep and re-read it again and could not restrain himself from swearing comments. This is some kind of schizophrenia. MILITARY TEMPLE is already an oxymoron in itself, and with such a content ...
    Have we already transferred military history museums?
    The Russian Orthodox Church has long turned into a ZAO, in my understanding.
    It is normal to canonize "poor Nicholas II", who is guilty of shooting his own citizens (and guilty of the collapse of his own Empire), in the best traditions.
    With the same success, it is necessary to put on the fresco the image of Brezhnev for Africa and Afghanistan, Gorbachev for Afghanistan and, of course, Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin for Chechnya. And do not forget Beria yet! Sure! As the creator of the atomic project. And Yezhov and Yagoda also placed in the temple, as fighters for the country's security. Do not forget about Trotsky as the creator of the Red Army and Dzerzhinsky. Of course, Ilyich there should be depicted in the forefront. And Denikin and Yudenich.
    Only I'm afraid the earth will burn under such a "temple".
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 25 2020 12: 56 New
    +9
    Something other confessions are "lagging behind" ... Usually in the official protocols representatives of different nations. And they are in no hurry to mix up faith and rituals ... Against their background, "Orthodox Hollywood" turns people away from the ROC. Don't the close "soul fishers" understand this?
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  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 25 2020 13: 00 New
    11
    The role of the individual in history can only be correctly assessed after many years have passed ... Stalin, of course, is worthy of perpetuation, despite the well-known moments ... He had a goal and he achieved it by building a powerful state ... wherever power goes continuous struggle for it ... and he defeated in this struggle and achieved the goal ... People respect him, in particular, for the fact that he was unemotional ... unlike the current government ...
    As for the rest of the characters, time will tell ...
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto April 25 2020 13: 06 New
    +7
    Quote: evgenii67
    Quote: Deniska999
    Some obscurantism, honestly.

    I saw a photo of this diy, there are still people in the background behind the GDP.
    So, among the people there is not enough grandfather who eats the last horseradish without salt and who does not like the Christmas tree, as well as a woman who asked the GDP how to live on 10800 rubles.


    these are not people in the background, but fso fake
    1. Malibu
      Malibu April 25 2020 13: 12 New
      -18
      Quote: Fighter MoreThings
      these are not people in the background, but fso fake

      Oh, my goodness, you are our observant, but you wanted to see there Navalny and K with Chubais ..))))))
  • bober1982
    bober1982 April 25 2020 13: 13 New
    -13
    This news caused the most lively excitement on liberal resources and in social networks, and by tradition - here on the site.
    Considering the mood of the local "flock", the comments themselves are boring and do not differ in variety. It is not entirely clear what the local "parishioners" care about all this? What do you want?
    In the neighboring pseudo-state, the arson of Orthodox churches and monasteries began, the tourniquet was brazenly and openly, where screams and cries were heard, something is not heard and is not visible.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 13: 47 New
      10
      Quote: bober1982
      This news caused the most lively excitement on liberal resources and in social networks, and by tradition - here on the site.
      Considering the mood of the local "flock", the comments themselves are boring and do not differ in variety. It is not entirely clear what the local "parishioners" care about all this? What do you want?
      In the neighboring pseudo-state, the arson of Orthodox churches and monasteries began, the tourniquet was brazenly and openly, where screams and cries were heard, something is not heard and is not visible.

      Stop showing endlessly to Ukraine, do you like what is happening in Russia today? If not, then you need to change something, if so, then tread on further, for their cooperative lake, or whatever else.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 April 25 2020 14: 48 New
        -8
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Stop showing endlessly to Ukraine, do you like what is happening in Russia today? If not, you need to change something

        What do you want to change? In the neighboring quasi-state they changed, you want what they had.
        Su-34, Su-30, Su-35, upgraded Tu-95ms and Tu-160 - this is the highest class, like it and, like the Russian Guard, who will overclock.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 17: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          What do you want to change?

          I would like to change the socio-economic formation.
          Quote: bober1982
          In the neighboring quasi-state they changed, you want what they had.

          Among the fraternal Ukrainian people, the authorities changed the oligarchs to "socially responsible businessmen", with the help of the right sector (analogue of brown shirts in Germany in the 30s) and with the connivance of the ruling elite of Russia (Russia could stop this whole mess in a couple of weeks if our it would be beneficial to the authorities). There was no change in the socio-economic formation there.
          Quote: bober1982
          Su-34, Su-30, Su-35, upgraded Tu-95ms and Tu-160 - this is the highest class-like

          All this is the legacy of the USSR, when we finish it, what shall we do?
          Quote: bober1982
          Rosguard like

          You will like it even more when you believe not in the TV, but in your fridge, when you start to think on your own, when your neighbor (God forbid) is put down for hitting a plastic cup in the Russian guard, you (God forbid, of course) with a rib club They will consider that they went to take out the garbage without an Ausweis.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 April 25 2020 17: 12 New
            -6
            You have spoken too much.
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            when you believe not on TV

            I don’t watch TV, I don’t listen to the radio and I don’t read newspapers, and for a long time, from a word in general - like an Orthodox, and you are interpreting something about TV.
            Do not be smart.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 17: 34 New
              +3
              Quote: bober1982
              You have spoken too much.

              Too many niasilil letters?
              Quote: bober1982
              I do not watch TV, do not listen to the radio and do not read newspapers, and for a long time, from a word in general - as an Orthodox

              Thank you very much for the valuable information, for me, I did not know before that the true Orthodox do not read newspapers, do not watch TV and do not listen to the radio.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 April 25 2020 17: 38 New
                -1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                I previously did not know that the true Orthodox do not read newspapers, do not watch TV and do not listen to the radio.

                And yet ....... they don’t go to the theater, they don’t read art literature, they don’t listen to music, and much more.
                And they don’t play chess, and they don’t watch football (demonic games), there’s no use for the soul.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 17: 53 New
                  +2
                  Quote: bober1982
                  And yet ....... they don’t go to the theater, they don’t read art literature, they don’t listen to music, and much more.
                  And they don’t play chess, and they don’t watch football (demonic games), there’s no use for the soul.

                  A good joke, but still answer essentially, are you really happy with everything today?
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 April 25 2020 18: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Good joke

                    You have shown your education and well-read.
                    Explain the rules of the Sixth Ecumenical Council, namely, rule N51 and rule N62, show your true Orthodox Christianity.
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 18: 30 New
                      +3
                      Quote: bober1982
                      You have shown your education and well-read.
                      Explain the rules of the Sixth Ecumenical Council, namely, rule N51 and rule N62, show your true Orthodox Christianity.

                      Dear Vladimir, thank you, of course, for the compliment, but I am not a theologian, moreover, I consider myself an atheist (let's not argue about the existence of God here), therefore I will not show "true Orthodoxy". However, I believe that in the Gospel of Matthew the words: "Jesus said to him: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is similar to it: Love your neighbor as himself. On these two commandments all the law and the prophets are established. " reflect the whole essence of Christianity. For me, it is important (as for any Soviet person) the second statement "Love your neighbor as yourself." , which means "Always do to others as you would like to be done to you," I suppose that is enough for a decent life.
                      1. bober1982
                        bober1982 April 25 2020 19: 45 New
                        -4
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        but I am not a theologian, moreover, I consider myself an atheist

                        But, I did call you an educated person, and the fact that you are an atheist is, as they say, a cursory glance.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        about the existence of God let's not argue here

                        I did not argue, and did not intend to argue.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        reflect the essence of Christianity

                        It should be simpler, as the Holy Fathers teach, they do not advise to philosophize, by the way, the discipline in the Church is strict, as in the army. If they said that ........ consider the image ..... appropriate, the way it is, and there is nothing to be clever here, if they canonized Sovereign Nicholas II, then, too, it is.
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 20: 50 New
                        +4
                        Quote: bober1982
                        It should be simpler, as the Holy Fathers teach, they do not advise to philosophize, by the way, the discipline in the Church is strict, as in the army. If they said that ........ consider the image ..... appropriate, the way it is, and there is nothing to be clever here, if they canonized Sovereign Nicholas II, then, too, it is.

                        You have to think with your head, read the primary sources, the Gospel in your case, compare the actions of the current "Holy Fathers" and His actions. Few of these "Holy Fathers" collaborated with the occupiers, did they bless Hitler? It's a pity I don't know how to insert pictures, I would have thrown a photo for you about the Pskov mission and a lot of them. Take a look at least here: http://argumentua.com/stati/oni-molilis-za-fyurera-kak-rpts-podderzhivala-gitlera. You cannot serve both God and mammon. The Orthodox Church stood up in the fifteenth century, on the side of Joseph Volotsky (a dispute between the Josephites and non-possessors) took the first step towards turning it into a commercial organization, which it is today.
                      3. bober1982
                        bober1982 April 25 2020 21: 03 New
                        -1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        The Orthodox Church stood back in the fifteenth century, on the side of Joseph Volotsky

                        I say, you are a well-read person, why are you bothering everyone with a head?
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        You have to think with your head, read the primary sources

                        Do not confuse with Leninist primary sources.
                        Stalin, during the war years, thanked the Church and helped her - financially and financially, something is not heard that he reproached the church people for aiding.
                      4. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 21: 18 New
                        +3
                        Quote: bober1982
                        I say, you are a well-read person, why are you bothering everyone with a head?

                        I just argue my position, which, as I see it, you have nothing to object to.
                        Quote: bober1982
                        Do not confuse with Leninist primary sources.
                        Stalin, during the war years, thanked the Church and helped her financially and financially, something is not heard that he reproached the church people for aiding.

                        As primary sources, I suggested that you read the Gospel and compare the actions of the current "Holy Fathers" and His actions, the difference is very significant. Of course, not all the clergy supported the occupiers, they were mostly decent people, but there were traitors among them. That is why I tell you to read the Gospel and compare the actions of the current "Holy Fathers" and His actions in order to be able to distinguish "lambs from goats".
                      5. bober1982
                        bober1982 April 25 2020 21: 30 New
                        -1
                        About what is happening now (including with the Church) was said 2000 years ago, in the "primary sources", but your education prevents you from understanding this.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        and to compare the actions of the current "Holy Fathers" and His actions in order to be able to distinguish "lambs from goats".

                        By the way, they didn’t say anything new; there were heresies, they are and will be - just how much darkness.
                      6. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 21: 36 New
                        +3
                        Quote: bober1982
                        By the way, they didn’t say anything new; heresies were, are and will be - just darkness.

                        This is not about heresies, but about the usual lust for profit and power, which has seized the present "Holy Fathers". And they spat on the Church, the flock and so on, only money and power.
                      7. bober1982
                        bober1982 April 25 2020 21: 42 New
                        +2
                        All the best, it was interesting to communicate.
                      8. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 22: 41 New
                        +3
                        All the best.
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka April 25 2020 21: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: bober1982
    You have spoken too much.

    Too many niasilil letters?
    Quote: bober1982
    I do not watch TV, do not listen to the radio and do not read newspapers, and for a long time, from a word in general - as an Orthodox

    Thank you very much for the valuable information, for me, I did not know before that the true Orthodox do not read newspapers, do not watch TV and do not listen to the radio.

    And what should I do, a pro-Orthodox atheist? I love bitter, I love women, but I don’t like priests ... However, the task ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 April 25 2020 21: 32 New
      -1
      Quote: Skalendarka
      I love bitter, I love women, but I don’t like priests ...

      Continue in the same spirit, constancy, as you know - a sign of mastery.
  • Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter April 25 2020 16: 21 New
    -6
    Stop showing endlessly to Ukraine, do you like what is happening in Russia today? If not, then you need to change something, if so, then tread on further, for their cooperative lake, or whatever else.

    Russia is much better than Ukraine. And so that we do not have, as in Ukraine, it is necessary to change someone like you. Yes, it is better to "mark the spot" like we do, than to change something and be in a full fifth point. Ukrainians are already nostalgic for Yanukovych.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets April 25 2020 17: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      Russia is much better than Ukraine. And so that we do not have, as in Ukraine, it is necessary to change someone like you. Yes, it is better to "mark the spot" like we do, than to change something and be in a full fifth point. Ukrainians are already nostalgic for Yanukovych.

      Above, I answered your like-minded person (bober1982 (vladimir)). Just soon, if it goes as it goes, it will be much worse with us than in Ukraine.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 April 25 2020 15: 47 New
    +6
    I do not care what they have, it matters to me what we have.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok April 25 2020 13: 22 New
    +3
    The first Christian images were not worshiped either. But "it's not a big deal - the beginning."
  • Bshkaus
    Bshkaus April 25 2020 13: 27 New
    14
    The Russian Orthodox Church considers the appearance on the walls of the main church of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation of mosaics depicting mosaics depicting top officials of the state, in particular, Vladimir Putin, Sergei Shoigu, Joseph Stalin and others.

    I have a cognitive dissonance!
    On the one hand, the patriarch once a year comes to the church of the New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia in his Pullman, the priests are simpler to gather in battalions, and no one even counts any members of para-Orthodox organizations like "sisters of mercy". A service is being rolled there in honor of the priests who were shot during the years of repression (under Stalin, if someone is not in the subject). The patriarch pushes a sermon about the terrible years of the gonin to Christians, and then, on this pulman, rushes to the Patriot Park to bless the construction of a temple with the image of that very Stalin? ...
    There are two options: either the church should be separate and independent from the state, or we don't need "such" Orthodoxy ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 April 25 2020 13: 58 New
      -10
      Quote: Bshkaus
      or we don't need "such" Orthodoxy ...

      Who do we need? You have nothing to do with Orthodoxy, but reason with a universal scope.
      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus April 25 2020 14: 48 New
        +2
        Who do we need? You have nothing to do with Orthodoxy, but reason with a universal scope.

        And from where such conclusions?
        You yourself at least know the "Symbol of Faith" by memory, but when did you confess, and when did you participate in the Sacrament of the Eucharist for the last time?
        Maybe you want to amaze us and read the memory of Great 17 kathisma in the Old Slavonic language?
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 April 25 2020 14: 49 New
          -8
          Quote: Bshkaus
          And from where such conclusions?

          From there.
          1. Bshkaus
            Bshkaus April 25 2020 14: 54 New
            +8
            And from where such conclusions?
            From there.

            Very reasoned!
            Sorry, Vladimir, but the conversation is over, I don't want to distract you. It’s probably time for you to read the canons "The Deceased", "Theotokos" and "Guardian Angleu", otherwise you will be late for the evening service!
            I no longer embarrass you with my worldly reasoning.
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  • tacet
    tacet April 25 2020 13: 27 New
    +3
    "... we cannot tear this page out of history ..." Nevertheless, Svyatoslav Igorevich was torn out to please the Russian Orthodox Church, that is, another - we can. "... starting from the Kulikov field ..." - the history of the Russian state from 1380 began ?!
  • Graz
    Graz April 25 2020 13: 30 New
    +9
    you still need to separate the flies from cutlets, there is a religion, there is a state, but it turns out that
    THE TEMPLE OF WAR is being built with monuments to ourselves, this is fundamentally not true if descendants are worthy they themselves will erect a monument, and so it’s insolent, very indecent, it’s openly scorned people’s face
  • IC
    IC April 25 2020 13: 33 New
    14
    This is all below the baseboard. Christianity in the 21st century slides into idolatry. They announced that the temple is dedicated to the Victory of 45 g.
    And here Syria and the Crimea. In Crimea, we were not there. Where is the victory of Russian weapons. Residents voluntarily joined Russia. And if you follow the traditions, then such a temple should be built on public money, but something is not heard by the nationwide collection of money. But in general, who recalls the lessons of history and how does this end?
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 April 25 2020 13: 37 New
    +7
    Yes ... Okay, for religious fanatics, but for modern educated people this is an insult and you can’t do anything, religious discrimination, religious obscurantism rules Russia.
  • L-39NG
    L-39NG April 25 2020 13: 40 New
    -9
    I don’t understand the logic of the creators at all. Is it the Temple of the Armed Forces of Russia or a museum - a panopticon of the Soviet system? Did the Russian Armed Forces not have glorious victories in the pre-Petrine and Peter's times, victories over Napoleon, glorious battles in the Crimean War? Russia has a longer history than 70 years of Bolshevik misunderstanding. And the Soviet Union, the country that reached Berlin, is no longer there, and Russia lives in a completely different way than 30 years ago. Good or bad is not for me to decide. Are you trying to live with a corpse in the same room? Corpses decompose and poison others, we must not forget.
    Do not take this either as an insult, or as a sub-joke. I believe that the Russian Armed Forces deserve respect without profanity by the former regime. English speakers have a brownnose expression for those who climb a lot in the ass of their bosses. And this is how it relates to those who decided to draw portraits on the walls. We must remember that there is no immortal bosses, and there is a biblical commandment - do not make yourself an idol.
    I apologize if I expressed my thoughts not so.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 25 2020 14: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: L-39NG
      Did the Russian Armed Forces not have glorious victories in the pre-Petrine and Peter's times, victories over Napoleon, glorious battles in the Crimean War?

      Let's see what will be depicted in the end. I understand that they wrote about Stalin and Putin as the most controversial.
    2. tatra
      tatra April 25 2020 15: 36 New
      +2
      You, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people on the territory of the USSR, have only AGAINST everything Soviet for your country and people. Now you have called the Soviet period a "misunderstanding", but you are NOT able to prove that the Russian Empire, or your post-Soviet Russia, is better for Russia and the Russian people.
  • Iris
    Iris April 25 2020 13: 42 New
    14
    Those who do this call themselves Orthodox. And they offer their product as the House of the One God .. I’d cut it hot!
  • qobnvmog
    qobnvmog April 25 2020 13: 42 New
    +5

    Well, beautiful, but departmental security? That dude with glasses on the left? Pray for him too?
    It is interesting what kind of person was first taped. Probably decided to change faces without spotlighting agents.
    There is already. Maybe comrade ice cream maker after assigning the next rank for the completed task.
    1. da Vinci
      da Vinci April 25 2020 14: 21 New
      13
      In Soviet times, mosaics at bus stops outside the city were much better!


      1. Iris
        Iris April 25 2020 14: 40 New
        +4
        Excellent, by the way, architecture of small forms. )
    2. da Vinci
      da Vinci April 25 2020 14: 27 New
      +3
      From the classics:
  • toha124
    toha124 April 25 2020 13: 48 New
    0
    In fairness, precedents of the image of worldly rulers in Orthodox churches have taken place before. This is not a modern notion. For example, in the famous Sofia of Kiev there was an image of Prince Yaroslav the Wise and his family (now, as I understand it, almost lost). Apparently, there are no contradictions with the canon. Although, maybe someone sincerely does not understand that not every image inside the temple has a sacred meaning and is an icon? Actually, in the temple list there are many things that are purely narrative in nature. Traditionally, this was a kind of textbook for the illiterate (according to the Bible, mainly). As for worldly subjects, such temples have been built for hundreds of years. Soldiers of the 24th century will come to the temple. They will ask - what is this mustachioed man? They will begin to find out ...
    1. Iris
      Iris April 25 2020 15: 05 New
      +7
      The didactic nature of images is certainly a traditional practice. In Catholic churches, for example, stained-glass windows (usually illustrating biblical stories for the illiterate, for the most part, parishioners) - a kind of "comics" of the Renaissance, performed this task. But so that the image of all the personnel of the Vertical of Power was cynically placed in a church, and even - according to the plan - and a memorial, this has not happened yet, this is new .. What is the largest memorial temple in Russia? Cathedral of Christ the Savior, in honor of the Victory in the Patriotic War of the twelfth year. How many are there, in your opinion, images of ministers of Alexander I and contemporary figures, for example, the leaders of the Special Secret Police?
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 April 25 2020 15: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Iris
        How many do you think there are images of ministers of Alexander I and contemporary figures, for example, the leaders of the Special Secret Police?

        The answer is no. But in * new * there is an underground parking for 308 cars and a car wash. There are still some nishtyaki.
        1. Iris
          Iris April 25 2020 15: 27 New
          0
          But this is not according to the initial draft)
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 April 25 2020 15: 39 New
            0
            If you do it normally, then there can only be one project! A project by architect Konstantin Ton.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 25 2020 13: 50 New
    +8
    However, they were alive alive.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 April 25 2020 13: 54 New
    12
    I see the picture directly: Yeltsin is sitting, around him are Putin, Medvedev, Chubais, Sechin, Miller, Rotenbergs. All by ranking. Make plans. Hands rubbing.
    1. Ham
      Ham April 25 2020 14: 12 New
      +3
      others stood around Yeltsin!
      Germans, Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky ...
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka April 25 2020 21: 38 New
        -1
        Quote: Ham
        others stood around Yeltsin!
        Germans, Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky ...

        hawkish ...
    2. Romey
      Romey April 25 2020 14: 24 New
      +8
      Add another touch. Christ is trampling this brotherhood from above, and from below the servants of the devil drag it into the fiery hell ... By rank.
      1. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 April 25 2020 14: 53 New
        +5
        Quote: romey
        Add another touch. Christ is trampling this brotherhood from above, and from below the servants of the devil drag it into the fiery hell ... By rank.

        laughing good
        Yes, that would be more correctly depicted.
      2. Aleksandr56478
        Aleksandr56478 April 25 2020 17: 28 New
        +2
        I am afraid that "these" would not be modest about themselves above I.Kh. put on such paintings and mosaics. I am not a believer, but from this Sabbath some sort of satanism emanates unnatural and completely unhealthy.
    3. Phil77
      Phil77 April 25 2020 15: 18 New
      +2
      At the table? Type * Last Supper *? laughing what
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci April 25 2020 16: 25 New
        +4
        Like "Secret drank the dough"!
  • Chever
    Chever April 25 2020 14: 04 New
    0
    Yes, they will justify any. I'm not surprised at all
  • strelokmira
    strelokmira April 25 2020 14: 07 New
    +5
    Well, apparently everything is so good in the army that there’s simply nowhere to put money lol