NI: In Russia, the emergence of a helicopter-jet hybrid from the company "Kamov"


The American publication The National Interest published an article by columnist Caleb Larson, which presents the author’s thoughts on the subject of "the possible emergence in Russia of a helicopter-jet hybrid from the Kamov company."


Larson cites an image that previously appeared on the network. The material notes that this is a "prototype of the future rotorcraft."

From the material:

This glider is a prototype, if it exists at all. It has several strange features. Below two coaxial screws with reciprocal rotation are air intakes. By the standards of a conventional helicopter, they are huge. It can be assumed that they are intended for jet engines.




According to Caleb Larson, "this may indicate the high speeds with which such a machine can move."

The author notes that the design provides for the location of pilots next to each other.

From the article:

It is possible that in the new design Kamov will also use a pilot ejection system, which can ensure their safety at almost any speed or altitude.

It also indicates "the possible presence of internal weapons bays", which will reduce the radar visibility of the facility aviationmaking it less noticeable.

From the material:

Previously, Kamov did an excellent job with the Ka-50 and Ka-52 helicopters. Both options are reliable and well protected from small arms fire. weapons and weapons of a larger caliber.

According to the author of the material in NI, the new prototype has some features specific to Sikorsky Raider.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins April 25 2020 10: 11 New
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    Here, in VO, there have been a lot of such Larsans recently. What topics do not justify, what assumptions do not build! ...
    1. Insurgent April 25 2020 10: 23 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Here, in VO, there have been a lot of such Larsans recently. What topics do not justify, what assumptions do not build! ...

      "Local Larsany" will not do the weather, and will not spoil no .

      But the fact that Western experts and ordinary people are excited supposed Kamov’s plans (as well as other design bureaus, and not only in the aircraft industry) are a definite plus.

      More confusion and confusion THERE,all the better yes .
      1. military_cat April 25 2020 11: 51 New
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        "Specialists" (authors of articles in the media) earn money by making content from everything from which it is made. Everyman consumes content for entertainment. I would not overestimate the degree of agitation and confusion in both.
      2. Observer2014 April 25 2020 13: 37 New
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        [quote = Insurgent] [quote = Leader of the Redskins] Here, in VO, there have been a lot of such Larsans recently. What topics do not justify, what assumptions do not build! ... [/ quote]
        "Local Larsany" will not do the weather, and will not spoil no .

        But the fact that Western experts and ordinary people are excited supposed Kamov’s plans (as well as other design bureaus, and not only in the aircraft industry) are a definite plus.

        The more confusion and confusion, the better
        I liked it the most. yes laughingProbably smart? repeat
      3. Zementbomber April 25 2020 20: 59 New
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        "Confusion and perplexity TAM" - from inexpensively paid unscientific sci-fi Murzilka NI, etc. thrash publications and resources? Blessed is he who believes ... laughing
      4. Alexander Mosin April 26 2020 13: 59 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        But the fact that Western experts and townsfolk are excited about Kamov’s alleged plans (as well as other design bureaus, and not only in the aircraft industry) is a definite plus

        Nobody in the West, especially some "Western specialists", is not excited by the imagination of National Interest, because they don’t read it. All these "presentations" of "specialists" with National Interest exclusively and exclusively for the Russian media space, so that they can say, they say, look how the West is afraid!))
    2. Sibguest April 25 2020 14: 00 New
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      Hmmm ...
      And in the Kamov Design Bureau they know that they are developing some kind of "hybrid"? Can tell them?
    3. Starover_Z April 25 2020 14: 53 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      What topics do not justify, what assumptions do not build! ...

      This glider is a prototype, if it exists at all.

      Wang’s fame is haunting? But in general, let them draw, maybe they will prompt some practical advice.
  2. rocket757 April 25 2020 10: 20 New
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    Beautiful pictures, a lot of them.
    While there is nothing to discuss, let the designers decide what they really will do.
    1. gridasov April 25 2020 11: 05 New
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      Designers can soar brains endlessly with their fantasies. We need solutions of mathematicians and physicists substantiating optimally efficient processes and transformations of mobile air flows and optimization of the processes themselves in engines. Then the design decisions will be subordinated to clear goals and objectives and initially effective end results. Therefore, screws should be catered for as obsolete principles.
      1. rocket757 April 25 2020 12: 09 New
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        Suppose a real designer, this is, in addition to a flight of creative imagination, also fundamental knowledge, training in many necessary sciences. If the project is very complex, a group is going to, a design bureau to implement a specific goal.
        We are not talking about the inventors of the perpetual motion machine, but about serious projects.
        1. gridasov April 25 2020 12: 19 New
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          Personally, I doubt very much that in general a person is able to assess the degree of seriousness and importance of development. If at least a million designers are confronted with a task of such a level, the solution of which is beyond the limits of their potential intelligence capabilities, then they will not be able to solve it. And I say this without conviction, it was so, it is and it will be so. But! But who then makes the impetus for the development of civilization. How many people are able to appreciate the work of those whose creative result we are using now.
          1. rocket757 April 25 2020 12: 29 New
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            It is true that so far no one can solve the problems of the entire universe. Only it seems to me that the design of a new aircraft does not apply to those ... if the initial task is set correctly, within the competence, knowledge, modern designers.
            That is, not to invent a "gravitsapu", but something with the capabilities of a helicopter + some indicators of an airplane.
            Let's see how they get it.
            1. gridasov April 25 2020 12: 44 New
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              The questions of the universe really should not be solved, but the development of civilization and a new level of solution is relevant and necessary. At the same time I'm talking about technology, and application in the field of new aircraft engines is only a private application
          2. helmi8 April 25 2020 17: 46 New
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            Quote: gridasov
            If at least a million designers are confronted with a task of such a level, the solution of which is beyond the limits of their potential intelligence capabilities, then they will not be able to solve it. And I say this without conviction, it was so, it is and it will be so. But! But who then makes the impetus for the development of civilization.

            “Everyone knows that this is impossible. But here comes an ignoramus who does not know this - it is he who makes a discovery.” © Albert Einstein ..
        2. Private-K April 25 2020 21: 12 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          a true designer, this, in addition to a flight of creative imagination, also fundamental knowledge, training in many necessary sciences.

          What special knowledge and training did Sikorsky or Korolev have there? Yes, they finished ordinary universities. In other words, it is not a matter of preparation at all. And in the man himself.
          For a person leading a technical megaproject, the main thing is INTUITION, pre-knowledge, talent and only then, behind this, a formal education without which, however, also nothing.
          1. rocket757 April 25 2020 21: 30 New
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            Quote: Private-K
            What special knowledge and training did Sikorsky or Korolev have there?

            I will quote the revelation of the designer of the old school, so to speak - "earlier, the new model of the aircraft engine began to work even after assembling about two dozen working layouts !!! Now, using computer simulation, a workable layout turns out to be 4 or 5, if rough, fundamental no mistakes were made initially !!!
            You can imagine how much it reduces time and costs !!!
            We need talent, imagination, inspiration and MANY, MANY fundamental knowledge.
            Pre-educated people are only perpetual motion machines and create NOW !!
      2. Svetlana April 25 2020 12: 22 New
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        It’s not the designers who fly brains, but the teenagers who mastered 3D-Software.
        1. gridasov April 25 2020 12: 55 New
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          I agree with the idea that there is no medium of free exchange of opinion. But this cannot be, since no one has canceled the competition of other aspects. And especially since such troublemakers like me do not fit into the work of any groups of people and groups.
      3. prodi April 25 2020 13: 00 New
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        Quote: gridasov
        Therefore, screws should be catered for as obsolete principles.

        But is there anything more “practical” for take-off in the atmosphere?
        1. gridasov April 25 2020 13: 10 New
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          There is also about it I constantly speak! A solution that does not exist by itself, but as a process that everyone aspires to, but so far there are no results. If someone claimed that he had invented something and did not justify it in the procedural plan, I would not have believed it. But the solution came at the same time as mathematical solutions in the analysis of complex and capacious data. And this decision clearly indicates the reasons for the inefficiency of the principle of a screw-based principle as the blades of a certain flow control. In other words, the screw everything that works on this principle has the boundary limits of its effective work, after which processes that are perceived as insurmountable begin - in the form of cavitation, destruction of the material in centrifugal forces, oscillatory processes in linear structures, etc.
          1. prodi April 25 2020 13: 13 New
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            limited technical solutions - this is generally a universal principle in the Universe
            1. gridasov April 25 2020 13: 22 New
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              I think any competent person has heard of a small percentage of the effective functioning of the human brain. Obviously, it is worth agreeing that in these undeveloped percentages lies the possibility of our evolution. Therefore, I accept this, that not many are immediately ready to accept that in mathematics there are, in addition to the properties of the numbers that we apply, there are other properties that open up to us in the perception of a world of higher potential interactions. And the device I'm talking about is primarily the result of a deeper analysis of the transformations of all participants in this process. This is primarily the beginning of the use of those small percentages of the brain that we do not evaluate and are not able to take into work
              1. prodi April 25 2020 13: 24 New
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                I'm afraid I didn’t understand, because I think that the brain exists only to fill the skull
                1. gridasov April 25 2020 13: 32 New
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                  Well, yes, and the skull is just to eat it!
                  1. prodi April 25 2020 13: 35 New
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                    Well, what are you offended? After all, for sure, you don’t understand anything how it works in us
                    1. gridasov April 25 2020 13: 39 New
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                      How I envy people and their simplicity, naivety, emotionality. I do not know how to be offended - I'm a bot. But I can draw conclusions and build algorithmic relationships in analysis
                      1. prodi April 25 2020 13: 42 New
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                        Well, look at how all the creatures fly on Earth. Very clear and energy efficient
                      2. gridasov April 25 2020 13: 55 New
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                        For technology with their mass dimensions and speed, this is unacceptable. And then I first of all talk about processes in their energy plan, and these are not only movers and engines.
                      3. prodi April 25 2020 14: 02 New
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                        What is unacceptable? The energy reserve should be greater than the consumption. You are talking about some unknown movers for which the existing values ​​of energy stored on board are enough for more efficient movement
                      4. gridasov April 25 2020 14: 18 New
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                        Good! In birds, flight is not carried out through the application and control of the energy process at the level that occurs with machines. Birds have a balanced and rational use of the impulse of force to push and unfold their wings and mainly use the very flow of air. If you carefully consider the wing and the mechanism of its operation, you will see not the sailing process and the creation of a waste of air mass, but the circular rotational movements of the wing at its base of the brachial organ. The wing creates lift by changing the vector of the pressure and longitudinal air flow perpendicular to the wing itself. Well, this is from the theory of ionization of the outflow surface. In addition, the feathers are mainly used to balance the tension between the front of the wing and the back. I’ll tell you honestly, the person does not use at all and does not understand the meaning of the stream swirling behind. By the way, the turbine I’m talking about is of two-sided action - both the front pressure head and the back of the swirl flow. Here it is appropriate to say about a new type of nozzle with a very important, if not key, innovation that increases productivity and the absence or transfer of cavitation to other levels of interaction between the flow surface and the flow. Etc.
                      5. prodi April 25 2020 14: 22 New
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                        those. is it a priori more gluttonous than propellers, a jet propulsion?
                      6. gridasov April 25 2020 14: 49 New
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                        First of all, this is a very rational mechanism, starting from the structure of the bone of the bird and ending with each stroke. If you compare birds with fish, then the fins are designed in such a way as to level out cavitation and generally use streams and their direction as birds. And by the way, there are swirl diagrams of air currents on the wing. They don’t know how to read them! However, the mechanical principles of flight and scuba diving are somewhat different and the technologies are also more diverse.
                      7. prodi April 25 2020 14: 51 New
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                        I can assume that the turbine can be more efficient, but it nevertheless heats the air, while the screws from it just push off
  • Observer2014 April 25 2020 13: 47 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    Beautiful pictures, a lot of them.
    While there is nothing to discuss, let the designers decide what they really will do.

    I see directly that you don’t need it. And I don’t need it. These are sketches from Yandex Zen.
    1. rocket757 April 25 2020 15: 00 New
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      Beautiful pictures can have their viewers and connoisseurs. You can discuss them.
      But, to discuss a picture, as a project of some kind of technical device, you have to be very in the subject or just a chat lover.
      I can not discuss this picture, not in the subject.
      And so, not in the subject, we drew it cool.
  • Lipchanin April 25 2020 10: 28 New
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    How does this chi know everything? request
    Not a publication, but an office of spies of all directions and topics
    1. novel66 April 25 2020 10: 48 New
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      Well, and not without delirium, of course ... hey! hi
      1. Lipchanin April 25 2020 10: 51 New
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        Hi fellow hi
        But someone doesn’t think so laughing
        Probably regular suppliers of delirium laughing
        1. novel66 April 25 2020 10: 52 New
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          regular users of delirium lol
          1. Lipchanin April 25 2020 10: 53 New
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            Users and Distributors
    2. Voyager April 25 2020 13: 01 New
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      So he did not say anything new. These pictures have been walking on the net for several years, and it is very easy to draw the above conclusions on them.
      1. Lipchanin April 25 2020 13: 13 New
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        Yes, I'm not only about this article. How many have already been
  • Pvi1206 April 25 2020 10: 30 New
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    It is not an easy task to cross a hedgehog and a hedgehog ... but if possible, the Navy will strengthen its capabilities ... and such a product will not hurt the ground units ...
    1. novel66 April 25 2020 10: 50 New
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      as world experience shows - universals are always worse, in fact, everything ends on universality
      1. Malibu April 25 2020 10: 56 New
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        Quote: novel xnumx
        as world experience shows - universals are always worse, in fact, everything ends on universality

        Well, you still need to try, but what if it works out? Versatility and simplicity is a big gain for the Russian budget .. We won more than one war in our history ..
        1. novel66 April 25 2020 11: 14 New
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          wars did not win universal weapons
          1. Voyager April 25 2020 13: 02 New
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            Now the time is different, everything is moving towards unification. Moreover, they are not trying to make a fighter directly from a helicopter, all these measures are aimed at improving the flight performance of the helicopter.
      2. gridasov April 25 2020 12: 11 New
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        The issue of versatility for engines, for example, is to use it in various environments. Therefore, it is clear that the transporter will not be a fighter. However, a fighter with a vertical take-off is not a problem at all.
        1. novel66 April 25 2020 12: 13 New
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          and definitely lose to an ordinary fighter, because its only advantage is vertical take-off
          1. gridasov April 25 2020 12: 40 New
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            No no! Do not say so in the affirmative. Firstly, the technology fundamentally changes the ratio of useful energy parameters in relation to the total mass of the aircraft. Vertical take-off is carried out, firstly, by a single engine and airflow distribution using technologies that are practically not used, but have been repeatedly voiced by other researchers. Turbines themselves are orders of magnitude simpler structurally and smaller in overall dimensions. In general, the approaches themselves are implemented through work with energy density, and not by integration of new nodes, which means an increase in fuel mass and unnecessary loads.
            1. novel66 April 25 2020 12: 49 New
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              if you open data 35a and 34 b - it is not obvious
      3. Grigory_45 April 25 2020 13: 40 New
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        Quote: novel xnumx
        as world experience shows - station wagons are always worse

        as the development of history shows. development is on the path to universalization
        Look at combat aircraft, for example. There are no clean fighters left in the world. Now all of them are multifunctional vehicles that can conduct air combat, hit ground and sea targets, conduct reconnaissance, etc.
    2. military_cat April 25 2020 11: 58 New
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      Somewhere I read that the main problem of accelerating helicopters - the speed of movement of the blades when combined with the speed of their own movement rests against the sound barrier. You can hang large jet engines, but they do not solve this problem.
      1. novel66 April 25 2020 13: 06 New
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        Well, here there are small planes - they will work at high speeds, but the screw just does not interfere
        1. Grigory_45 April 25 2020 23: 14 New
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          Well, here there are small planes - they will work at high speeds, but the screw just does not interfere

          wings at speed will create extra lift. But the propeller blades will only interfere.
      2. Grigory_45 April 25 2020 23: 22 New
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        Quote: military_cat
        Somewhere I read that the main problem of accelerating helicopters - the speed of movement of the blades when combined with the speed of their own movement rests against the sound barrier. You can hang large jet engines, but they do not solve this problem.

        the propeller (and the helicopter also has it, only of a large diameter) is already ineffective at transonic speeds. There is a stall, a drop in lift.
        Therefore, at high speed, the screw must be locked, turning it into a wing (there were such projects of wing wings with a wing-wing, for example - Sikorsky S-72) And move like a plane, with jet thrust.
  • bars1 April 25 2020 10: 46 New
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    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided that a promising combat helicopter will be developed on the basis of the Mil achievements. So Kamov flies with his concerts
    1. Lopatov April 25 2020 11: 45 New
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      Quote: bars1
      based on the achievements of Mil.

      Cool.
      Did they work with coaxial?
      1. Voyager April 25 2020 13: 05 New
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        So while no one said that the new helicopter will be coaxial.
        1. Lopatov April 25 2020 15: 24 New
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          Quote: Voyager
          So while no one said that the new helicopter will be coaxial.

          This, I'm sorry, is just a remake of what the British did back in 1986.
        2. Grigory_45 April 25 2020 23: 26 New
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          Quote: Voyager
          So while no one said that the new helicopter will be coaxial.

          it’s just a flying laboratory where some solutions were worked out and experiments were carried out. A high-speed helicopter may have little to do with PSV
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            Yes, I know.
  • Ross xnumx April 25 2020 10: 48 New
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    NI: In Russia, the emergence of a helicopter-jet hybrid from the company "Kamov"

    Maybe... crying
    It is a pity only - to live in this wonderful time
    I don’t have to - neither to me, nor to you.

    Found a short article:
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201804031154-qkfd.htm
    So, some phrases are so relevant in today's "difficult" in political, economic, epidemiological, financial aspects:
    Moscow, August 2017 year:
    “The Ministry of Defense for a long time has been demanding that Russian Helicopters create a new concept for a combat helicopter platform, characterized by increased cruising speed, at about 400 kilometers per hour,” said Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Yuri Borisov.

    Moscow, February 22, 2018:
    “A prototype of a promising Russian high-speed combat helicopter developed by Russian Helicopters in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense will make its first flight in 2019,” said Sergei Chemezov, head of Rostec.

    I can even share “faith in a brighter future”:
    And do not shout that we have continuous technological problems, we must solve them. The world definitely does not stand still, and in ten years the question of a high-tech, high-speed combat helicopter of a new generation will become an edge. Can we handle it? Will we really make an innovative car or repeat what they already have?
    I'm sure our designers and our industry can handle it., and we didn’t solve such problems faster and for less money. To do this, you need to talk less and do more.

    And I'm not sure that our designers will be able to adapt to the domestic industry. I don’t have faith in ingenious “innovators” and fertility of “nanomanagers”
  • knn54 April 25 2020 10: 48 New
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    There are many original projects of high-speed helicopters in the Kamov Design Bureau. It’s time for something real "give out to the mountain."
  • svp67 April 25 2020 10: 56 New
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    "The possible appearance in Russia of a helicopter-jet hybrid from the Kamov company."
    Maybe, maybe ... only the company is already gone ...
  • Free wind April 25 2020 11: 16 New
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    it seems there is no Kamov, they were united.
  • gridasov April 25 2020 11: 19 New
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    When the Mask was introduced to the market, it was clear that there was nothing innovative in its products. But! It was clear that he would change the market in a new direction of development. And that happened. Therefore, in the same way, Russia needs to dominate advanced research and the creation of a new product. Such is the new propulsion technology. It is applicable wherever there is a space of liquid and gases in the external environment, which means it solves the energy aspects of the whole variety of such devices.
  • Pavel57 April 25 2020 11: 29 New
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    It was necessary to remember the Ka-58.
    1. Grigory_45 April 25 2020 23: 28 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      It was necessary to remember the Ka-58

      why remember something that has never happened in real life? negative
  • Zaurbek April 25 2020 11: 50 New
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    If you pay money for such articles, then I can write ...
  • APASUS April 25 2020 12: 06 New
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    Cool stuff, fortune telling on coffee grounds!
  • Atlant-1164 April 25 2020 12: 20 New
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    and if my grandmother .. then she could be a grandfather. and raced. carries imagination on our site)
  • Stalllker April 25 2020 12: 29 New
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    In general, I don’t understand why a helicopter needs to fly at a speed of 500+ km / h, what kind of extra sticks are needed “like Carlson’s” and how then will it carry out the funnel and other aerobatics that are unique to helicopters ?! There are wonderful cars, Shark, Alligator, Hunter, Apache, Crocodile (Mi-24). Why waste something and spend money
    1. Cyril G ... April 25 2020 12: 37 New
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      In general, it is advisable to fly at such a speed for many reasons. But why the heck here depose the coaxial scheme is not clear. However, the Americans also gave birth to a scheme that organically combines all the shortcomings of both the coaxial scheme and a conventional helicopter with a tail rotor and a main rotor.
      1. Voyager April 25 2020 13: 09 New
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        Coaxial most likely will not, at least for us.
      2. Stalllker April 25 2020 13: 11 New
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        And what does speed give? Share your thoughts
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        Quote: Cyril G ...
        But why the heck here depose the coaxial scheme is not clear.

        With other schemes, everything is much more complicated.
    2. Grigory_45 April 25 2020 23: 34 New
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      Quote: Stalllker
      I don’t understand why a helicopter should fly at a speed of 500+ km / h

      why did the aircraft learn to fly fast? We would still fly to ourselves at 250 km / h, the sea of ​​problems would not have to be solved))
      Saii did not guess? The main advantage of the high-speed apparatus is the ability to quickly get to the place where it is needed

      Quote: Stalllker
      and how then will he fulfill the funnel and other aerobatics inherent only in helicopters ?!

      just like a helicopter. No one is going to deprive the rotor of the device. The point is to give the rotorcraft speed while maintaining the quality of the helicopter, rather than making a plane with vertical take-off / landing
      1. Stalllker April 26 2020 02: 00 New
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        Yes, you can’t sit on two chairs. And quickly get there, shoot back and quickly dump, for this there are planes of different ambassadors !!! So I don’t understand why helicopters fly 500+ km / h.
        1. Grigory_45 April 26 2020 11: 03 New
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          Quote: Stalllker
          Yes, you can’t sit on two chairs

          the arguments will be, why not, what are the fundamental reasons for the impossibility?

          Quote: Stalllker
          And quickly get there, shoot back and quickly dump, for this there are planes of different ambassadors !!!

          airplanes do not have the qualities of a helicopter - in particular, vertical take-off / landing and the ability to hang.

          Quote: Stalllker
          So I don’t understand why helicopters fly 500+ km / h.

          why did they try to increase the speed of the helicopter from its very birth? The first cars barely reached 100 km / h, modern serial - more than 300 km / h. Why was this needed?
          1. Stalllker April 26 2020 14: 45 New
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            Now this speed limit, something to fence in order to increase it is stupid, it will not be a helicopter. I'm not talking about the additional consumption of kerosene and the reduction of the flight range. There are a lot of concepts and there’s nothing difficult to implement, but they don’t realize why ????
            1. Grigory_45 April 26 2020 15: 37 New
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              Quote: Stalllker
              Now this speed limit, something to fence for its increase is stupid

              once the limit of dreams was an airplane speed of 500 km / h. Then - supersonic. Then - step over two, three Mach. Now they are swung at a manned stable hypersound - and sooner or later this line will fall. The same with a helicopter - a constant increase in flight performance. And since speed is a very important parameter, it is too early to talk about a certain limit - a search is underway for new technical solutions, technologies, etc.

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              it's not a helicopter already

              rotorcraft. A jet plane also looked unusual at first - there was no screw, there was a hole in the back from which hot gases fly out with a wild roar ... And nothing, they’ve got used to it, now without jet engines aviation is unthinkable.
              The fact that designers and technologists, scientists will fight to increase the speed of rotorcraft is a fact. Currently, two concepts are arguing among themselves - a high-speed helicopter and a tiltrotor, which one will win (or maybe there will be a third and a fourth) - time will tell.

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              There are a lot of concepts and there’s nothing difficult to implement, but they don’t realize why ????

              there are just enough difficulties. How to make friends a screw with high speeds and not get a monster.
              With regards to “not realizing” - look at the projects and prototypes of high-speed helicopters, as well as at their competitors — convertiplanes. And what do you call - do not implement ???
              1. Stalllker April 26 2020 15: 51 New
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                The tiltrotor will not be a helicopter, about which I am explaining to you that it will be a different machine. So I don’t understand why HELICOPTERS have a speed of 500+ km / h
                1. Grigory_45 April 26 2020 15: 58 New
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                  learn to read:
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Now two concepts are arguing among themselves - high speed helicopter and tiltrotor

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                  So i don't understand

                  medicine is powerless here hi
                  1. Stalllker April 26 2020 16: 40 New
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                    What does medicine have to do with it? I have my own view, you have your own. You didn’t bring me a single argument, some stupid questions asked
                    1. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 06: 14 New
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                      Quote: Stalllker
                      You haven’t brought me a single argument

                      having eyes, let him see)
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      The main advantage of the high-speed apparatus is the ability to quickly get to the place where it is needed


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                      You haven’t brought me a single argument

                      but you have them in piles in every comment wassat

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                      I asked some stupid questions

                      I thought you have a brain and you start using it. At least for myself, answering questions. Alas...

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                      What does medicine have to do with it?

                      what do you mean? If a person does not understand why speed is LA, then ...
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      medicine is powerless here
      2. Arthur 85 April 26 2020 13: 36 New
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        And if you rivet 100500 aircraft at a speed of 250 km / h and provide them with a cover "just as possible" (since they will cost an order of magnitude, or even two, cheaper than modern Pepelats with a speed of 900 km / h) they get to the place, where they are necessary, do not: they are already circling there in a swarm.
        1. Grigory_45 April 26 2020 16: 05 New
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          Quote: Arthur 85
          And if you rivet 100500 aircraft at a speed of 250 km / h and provide them with a cover "just as possible" (since they will cost an order of magnitude, or even two, cheaper than modern Pepelats with a speed of 900 km / h) they get to the place, where they are necessary, do not: they are already circling there in a swarm.

          and if instead of one pair of shoes of the 43rd size you give 10 pairs of the 36th - will it be normal? Is it convenient to walk?

          What clouds are you flying in? It will not be cheaper by orders of magnitude (you don’t understand what the difference is), don’t take into account the need for a huge amount of fuel, logistics (all this armada needs to be supplied and repaired), ground infrastructure, flight and technical personnel, etc. In general, complete nonsense.
          1. Arthur 85 April 26 2020 18: 04 New
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            I perfectly understand that such a difference is an order of magnitude (10 times), that's how the F-35 ($ 100 million) is like four PMV battleships ... (joke). But for some reason, fuel on IL-2 and others like it in the sad times was enough for thousands or even tens of thousands of cars, and in post-perestroika even now it’s somehow not very ... Well, okay. Anyway, there is a generation of drones, and all this fifth and one hundred twenty-fifth generation with stealth and without, really will not have time to go into mass production.
            1. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 06: 09 New
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              Quote: Arthur 85
              But for some reason, fuel on IL-2 and others like it in sad times was enough for thousands or even tens of thousands of cars

              and you look at what engines (piston) were then and what are now (turbojet), how much fuel was refueled in the same IL-2 (max. 500 liters), and now, at least in the Su-25 (3,6 thousand liters in internal tanks, with two PTBs - 5,3 thousand liters)
        2. Stalllker April 27 2020 06: 23 New
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          What are you "complicated"
  • Maks1995 April 25 2020 13: 02 New
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    Glory to Journalism!

    I remember that this sketch surfaced 2 years ago as a response from the Uri-media statement of Amers about the development of an ultra-fast helicopter.
    As a result, they chose a model there, and began development.

    And ours - the answer - this is a SUPER drawing. For a month he wandered around the network, boasted speeds of up to 800 km, while real designers did not say - there would be no ultrafast, we will develop with 2 inclined axes ....

    And now this dream of the student-3 Deshnika has surfaced again! and in terrible quality!


    Journalism Glory!
    1. bars1 April 25 2020 22: 04 New
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      Maks1995, if anything, Mikheev himself represented the dream of the 3Deshnik student.
      1. Maks1995 April 25 2020 22: 25 New
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        He was testing noodles)))). Tested on the ears of the riders, and in the trash.

        All full-scale models and cartoons with him and nearby without swept wings ...
  • Ax Matt April 25 2020 15: 11 New
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    Ha! In 2030, they will already fly, mark my word. And this is just the beginning ...
    https://ridero.ru/books/sem_dnei_budushego/
    Read at your leisure ...
  • malyvalv April 25 2020 16: 07 New
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    The prototype screws direct air directly into the wing. This is some kind of setup and not a prototype.
    1. Pandiurin April 25 2020 20: 53 New
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      Well, apparently NI wanted to make a horror story.
      The Russians have scary helicopters and fighters.
      Shot the helicopter with a fighter and were horrified)

      In general, according to the drawn pilot, obviously two jet engines are redundant. Supersound and helicopter are not compatible. A tail propeller would be enough. Three engines on one machine (1 for the rotor + 2 jet) is exactly insanity and a nightmare.

      Still would have fotoshopili nose from a submarine with torpedo tubes and a periscope. In general, it would be cool.
    2. gridasov April 25 2020 22: 18 New
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      By the way, this decision can be perceived as not rational and not fully thought out, but in the right direction.
    3. Grigory_45 April 25 2020 23: 36 New
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      Quote: malyvalv
      This is some kind of setup and not a prototype.

      it's just a drawing. From the same series as this one:
  • Arthur 85 April 26 2020 13: 30 New
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    Or maybe he doesn’t rivet "lacking analogues in the world" of steam and steam locomotives, but on the basis of some "Taras Shevchenko" river-sea class, with water cannons, by cutting off a residential superstructure, and screwing in hundreds of air-craft, to build a ship?
  • VladVlad April 26 2020 17: 22 New
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    Dear Sirs, Experts! Stop doing idiocy. Especially with the "possible appearance ......"! Enemies broke away from our "very talented developers" for many years. F 35 plane in HD video, takeoff, vertical landing. Https://ok.ru/video/1219738338577. Our "developers" will never even repeat this, especially the leaders developers !!! NEVER !!! Bl ........ !!!!!
    1. Cyril G ... April 26 2020 23: 15 New
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      Actually, a supersonic fighter for vertical take-off and landing in the USSR was created 30 years ago. So take your advice on yourself.