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Aircraft "Mriya": a big and bright dream without a future

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An-225 "Mriya" with the shuttle "Buran" (photo from Wikipedia)


News about the An-225 "Mriya" ultra-high-capacity aircraft making several flights to deliver medical supplies to combat the COVID-19 pandemic made many enthusiasts perk up aviation. The incredible creation of the Soviet aircraft industry, which, it seemed, was doomed to slow and inglorious extinction in the hangars of the ruined Ukrainian "Antonov", again in business, again in the sky! So, is there any future for this unmatched winged car, or is its new take-off just an accident caused by the extraordinary circumstances prevailing in the world today?

As you know, to date, the UR-82060 board has undergone a deep modernization at the Antonov’s native ANTK. Its result is called the updated avionics system and the installation of a new engine. Most likely, this is one of the same D-18Ts from the Zaporizhzhya engineering design bureau Progress, which Mriya was originally equipped with. It is unlikely that he is really “new”, rather, restored, taken from stocks. To produce such extremely specific engines, which are installed only on the An-124 and An-225 aircraft, Ukraine is now beyond its power, yes, by and large, there is no need.

This fully applies to the "Mriya". The second copy of the exact same super-plane has been in the production halls of Antonov for several decades, being in a state of partial readiness - in truth, at the stage of eternal "unfinished", because bringing it to mind, according to management estimates, the company will cost about half a billion dollars! And this is using old technology. What will be the cost, if you try to bring the car in line with current aircraft manufacturing standards, it’s scary to even think. In addition, Ukraine simply does not have the means to implement such expensive projects. There is no real goal.

Recall from the very beginning, in the mid-80s of the last century, it was planned to create only two An-225s. Nobody was going to launch them in a series. These giants were intended, in fact, exclusively for launches of the Buran reusable spacecraft and transportation to the launch site of both the shuttle itself and the elements of the launch vehicle. The Soviet Union collapsed, its ambitious space program was curtailed - there was no room for a dream. That is, for "Mriya." No, of course, the An-225 can also be used as an ordinary transporter. It happened to him to transport huge electric generators or blades of wind power stations that simply could not fit in other aircraft. In total, Mriya has about 250 different records, including in the field of transportation of seemingly unbearable loads.

Nevertheless, from a commercial point of view, on the basis of profit-making considerations, which today, alas, dictates everything and everyone in our world, the creation and operation of such “unique ones” for such prosaic purposes is simply unprofitable. This is not to mention the fact that more than a third of the world's airports are physically unable to receive the An-225 because of its colossal weight of 250 tons without cargo and more than 600 tons with a filled cargo compartment, as well as an unprecedented wingspan of 88 and a half meters. Incidentally, it was precisely this consideration that cooled the fervor of the Chinese comrades, who were quite gathered to begin the release of Mriya at home. The local Aerospace Industry Corporation of China (AICC) has even signed with Antonov the corresponding protocol of intent, which provided for not only the completion of the second An-225, but also the transfer of all the technical documentation for this aircraft to it. However, as far as is known, the transaction was canceled.

China, of course, is a very ambitious state. Possession of a record plane would flatter the pride of its leaders. However, first of all, in the Middle Kingdom they know how to count money. Theoretically, such a machine would be useful to the Chinese for their more than voluminous export operations. However, building special airfields for her across the planet is too much. Well, Beijing, as you can see, has not yet reached the use of reusable shuttles in its space program, or is not planning at all to develop it in this direction.

The current demand for “Mriya” is really the result of those force majeure conditions in which humanity is located, which has been hit by the coronavirus pandemic. Now this is not about profit and loss, but about survival. A board capable of delivering many things necessary to save people and fight the disease over great distances in these difficult times is what you need. However, sooner or later the epidemic will recede and all the same concepts will come back to first place: profitable - unprofitable. In fact, prospects for the An-225 can appear only if serious aerospace programs are resumed and in the framework of cooperation with a much richer and more “advanced” country in this respect than “non-fallow” ones.

Question: with whom? The Ukrainian government quarreled with Russia tightly and, apparently, is not going to establish relations and cooperation. China is not interested. The United States, today desperately saving its own Boeing Co., is definitely not an assistant in this matter. If nothing changes dramatically, the second “Mriya” will never soar into the sky, and the first, sooner or later having developed its resource, will remain forever on earth a monument to the dream. Alas, the unfulfilled ... For Ukraine as such - an airplane without a future.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 25 2020 09: 02 New
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    It is a pity for the "flying Dream" ... they "landed" her with the collapse of the USSR and what she is doing now is her agony ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 25 2020 09: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      what she is doing now is her agony ...

      Well or, Swan song
      1. major147
        major147 April 25 2020 12: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Lipchanin
        a swan song

        A couple of minutes ago I accidentally watched a report from the Mriya cockpit about the landing in Alma-Ata. The pilot was reporting. Okay, he led him on the "great and mighty", okay, negotiations with the dispatcher on it, but everyone was notified on board in Russian! But what about the "sovereign myova"? This is fun!
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 25 2020 12: 46 New
          -5
          Sovereign Mova? Correctly sovereign (state) rumor (from the word to say, say-talk). The state language (talk) is shorter, without which there is no state.
          1. major147
            major147 April 25 2020 12: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Derzhavna mov?Rightly sovereign (state) rumor (from the word to say, that is, speak-talk). The state language (talk) is shorter, without which there is no state.

            "[Key words: mova, funktsii movi, movlennya, sovereign mov, national mova, literary mova, "
            Huh?
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter April 25 2020 13: 02 New
              0
              And what is the difference? Mova is a rumor, that is, a dialect, a language.
              1. major147
                major147 April 25 2020 19: 42 New
                +7
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                And what is the difference? Mova is a rumor, that is, a dialect, a language.

                I don’t understand why this grammar lesson at all? It was originally originally about something else.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 25 2020 12: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: major147
          This is a bastard!

          Yes there the devil himself will break what they have laughing
        3. svp67
          svp67 April 25 2020 12: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: major147
          But what about the "sovereign myova"? This is fun!

          You should perfectly understand that the main thing in the work of such a crew is that each crew member understood each other, this can be achieved in Russian, but on the move, alas, not yet, maybe ten or fifteen years later, but not now ... Here you have to choose either mov or life
          1. major147
            major147 April 25 2020 13: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            you have to choose either mov or life

            So am I about it ....
          2. Malibu
            Malibu April 25 2020 13: 05 New
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            Quote: svp67
            You should perfectly understand that the main thing in the work of such a crew is that each crew member understood each other, in Russian this can be achieved, but on the move, alas, not yet,

            As well as physics and higher mathematics, etc. to explain!
            Sounds pretty funny if in general terms laughing
            Quote: svp67
            but on mov, alas, not yet, maybe ten or fifteen years later, but not now ... Here you have to choose either mov or life

            Well, if Russia does not exist, then yes it will be, but already with an English or most likely Chinese accent .. hi
      2. knn54
        knn54 April 25 2020 12: 51 New
        +1
        The last Soviet Dream.
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 25 2020 10: 07 New
      -2
      Antonov himself will not be able to finish the second Mriya.
      Kalashnikov said that in the hangars of Antonov lies half of the tail for the second Mriya. The enterprise is able to make the second half, but there are already problems with the chassis. “We were guided by the Yuzhmash plant, a rocket plant. There are problems. We are not able to do it ourselves. They did it in Nizhny Novgorod, in Gorky, I don’t even have to think about it ... There isn’t much optimism, ”he said.

      It’s also expensive and inexpedient. This USSR could afford to build for the same Buran. For Ukraine, this is a suitcase without a handle.
      “It needs to be completely redesigned - separately wings, separately fuselage, separately tail unit. They considered it in the 12th year, when everything was fine with our northern neighbor, somewhere around $ 460 million in the configuration in which it was built, that is, in the old configuration. These are analog systems, tens of kilometers of wires. And if you redesign it, do it as all the new equipment is done now, the figure is completely different money, ”said Donets. According to him, so far the construction of "Mriya" seems economically inexpedient.

      Content Source: https://naukatehnika.com/skolko-stoit-mriya.html
      naukatehnika.com
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx April 25 2020 12: 36 New
        +1
        I wonder why they talked about redesigning? To do this, you must have orders. Muscovites thought to milk? And if they can’t even finish the plumage, then the question is simple, what can they even do? Why all the songs about Ukrainian planes?
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 25 2020 12: 50 New
          +2
          Zelensky recently announced that he wants to create a company in the person of a new Ukrainian air carrier following the example of Turkish airlines, where there will be only Antonov’s planes. The trouble is that Antonov has no really competitive passenger planes, there are only transport planes.
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx April 25 2020 17: 53 New
            +1
            They won’t do it. There is no Ukrainian Antonov. And it never was. Ponty is all. There will be Russian money and components, and that is unlikely to be. Although before there was something. I must say the same An-148 - junk so-so. A solid glitch.
            For me it would be better if there was nothing from there. For a long time we would have had our aircraft replaced by Antonovsky. But forever friends of Ukraine from the Kremlin interfered. They poured money there, for which we would have had everything for a long time.
            No luck to the company. A lover of embroidery - Khrushchev - sent Antonov to Kharkov. And Kharkov, to its misfortune, ended up in Ukraine. Mustache. Bandera public can only hate. To create is not about them.
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter April 25 2020 18: 01 New
              +2
              For me it would be better if there was nothing from there. For a long time we would have had our aircraft replaced by Antonovsky. But forever friends of Ukraine from the Kremlin interfered. They poured money there, for which we would have had everything for a long time.

              I completely agree with you that only time and money have been lost. Nothing good will come of cooperation with Ukraine. We have to do everything ourselves. However, as with India, we lost time on IL-214. But there would be no happiness, but misfortune in 2014 helped. I hope we will not repeat the previous mistakes.
            2. Red Dragon
              Red Dragon April 25 2020 18: 29 New
              +3
              Did Oleg Antonov not move to Kiev? OKB "ANTONOV" is located in Kiev. And it seems like not Khrushchev, but also Stalin in 1952. Where did you get the information about Kharkov and Khrushchev, may I ask? belay
              1. mmaxx
                mmaxx April 25 2020 18: 56 New
                -1
                Well, then fed with emotions winked
                1. Red Dragon
                  Red Dragon April 25 2020 19: 08 New
                  +1
                  And what is fed up? wink What language is it in? Why be nervous at all? This is just a discussion ... You just surprised me, I went to the Internet to check my memory, it seems like I know the history of the Antonov Design Bureau quite well, I often go there, and here is the news. You intrigued me notably laughing
                  1. mmaxx
                    mmaxx April 25 2020 19: 30 New
                    0
                    We presented the wrong information, let’s say so. Was wrong. request
                    1. Red Dragon
                      Red Dragon April 25 2020 19: 39 New
                      +1
                      It happens drinks Good luck to you. With quarantine greetings from Ukraine wink
    3. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 April 25 2020 12: 25 New
      +4
      I remember this video on the program "Time" when "Mriya" was taking Buran "to Baikonur. Oh, there was a time ..
      1. Red Dragon
        Red Dragon April 25 2020 13: 57 New
        +1
        Did MRIA take Buran to Baikonur? It seems that she just drove Buran to the 1989 air show in Paris, or am I mistaken? winked
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov April 25 2020 14: 18 New
          +1
          On Baikonur Buran drove VM-T.
          1. Red Dragon
            Red Dragon April 25 2020 14: 20 New
            0
            Thank. Means memory does not fail me after 30 years. wink
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather April 25 2020 16: 57 New
              +1
              An-225 "Mriya" with the shuttle "Buran" (photo from Wikipedia)
              - It was, the USSR!
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 16: 59 New
                0
                Quote: Dead Day
                An-225 "Mriya" with the shuttle "Buran" (photo from Wikipedia)
                - It was, the USSR!

                I remember how Buran turned onto the strip. It was something.
          2. Zementbomber
            Zementbomber April 26 2020 01: 27 New
            -1
            No. VM-T carried to the Bike blocks of the first stage of "Energy" and tanks for assembling its second stage. He could not lift "Buran".
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 26 2020 05: 37 New
              -7
              You are one of the pan-panheads who denies the obvious
              Is this all photoshop?

              1. Zementbomber
                Zementbomber April 26 2020 06: 22 New
                +3
                Listen up for you, even a pan instead of a head is a luxury not permissible.
                Do not distinguish VM-T:
                VM-T

                - from An-225 ... bully
            2. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov April 26 2020 10: 39 New
              +1
              by the time of the first and only flight of the Buran into space, the Mriya was not ready. The spacecraft flew on November 15, 1988. And the "Mriya" for the first time took off only a month later - on December 21 of that year.
              Source: https://nlo-mir.ru/tech/38330-vmt-atlant.html
              Burana drove VM-T, enough photos on the Internet.
              1. slipped
                slipped April 29 2020 23: 45 New
                -1
                Quote: Sergey Valov
                Burana drove VM-T, enough photos on the Internet.


                "Mriya" took the item 1.01 to the Paris Salon and back to "Baikonur" laughing And in general she flew over Baikonur with "Buran" in a circle.

        2. Shkworen
          Shkworen April 26 2020 09: 54 New
          0
          and as a child I saw a mriya in the air with a snowstorm, oh, and there was a whopper :)
    4. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber April 26 2020 01: 16 New
      0
      It is a pity for the "flying Dream" ... they "landed" her with the collapse of the USSR and what she is doing now is her agony ...

      Well - the "agony" will last for about 15 more years at least. But in general, yes. And it happened yet to collapse of the USSR.
      1. Shkworen
        Shkworen April 26 2020 09: 58 New
        0
        And there the price of an energy launch program with a snowstorm was prohibitive. I remember the number of the young technician dedicated to this event, I was 7 years old then, and the price of 14 billion Soviet rubles was indicated there, for the USSR, by that time, it was a killer price.
        1. Zementbomber
          Zementbomber April 28 2020 16: 36 New
          -1
          Well - a billion rubles a year: the amount for the Union was very good, but not at all not "beyond" ...
      2. neri73-r
        neri73-r April 28 2020 12: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Zementbomber
        And this happened even before the collapse of the USSR.

        Yes, tagged, you know whose son you’ve made us ..... perestroika, although everything went to her from Khrushchev.
        1. Zementbomber
          Zementbomber April 28 2020 16: 45 New
          -1
          It's not all that simple. The fact of the crisis of the USSR and Soviet society on the eve of 1985 cannot be questioned by any sane person who remembers that time. Further conservation of the System guaranteed it another 20-30 years of life, but certainly doomed the System to collapse. Another issue is the level of volitional qualities, intellect and competence, as well as the true intentions of Mikhail "Spot" Sergeevich G. and his "associates". Surgery can be fatal. Or even the surgical team may knowingly want to "stab" the patient. But this does not mean that the operation could have been dispensed with.
  2. Alexga
    Alexga April 25 2020 09: 07 New
    +1
    The most right place for Antonov’s factory is Voronezh, only there he can survive and work. IMHO.
    1. onix757
      onix757 April 25 2020 09: 28 New
      +6
      The most right place for Antonov’s factory is Voronezh

      And there to die completely with VASO. On the way to Aviakor's bright future, so to speak.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 25 2020 09: 12 New
    +1
    Structural elements of the second "Mriya" may well be used as replacements for # 1, when they are showered with fatigue. And the appointment of "Mriya" No. 1 is an air tanker, for whom it is necessary to appoint. request
  4. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst April 25 2020 09: 13 New
    -2
    Ukraine should have boasted less in its time and treated the Mriya in the same way as with the Tu-160 and Varyag. Now let them rush to madness with "Mriya" and the cruiser "Ukraine", creating a halo of "exclusivity" for the Zapadensky rogulyans!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 25 2020 09: 35 New
      -2
      Quote: Scharnhorst
      "and the cruiser" Ukraine ",

      Well, it is likely that the fate of the eponymous submarine awaits him laughing
      But I wonder what is there with the "dacha saiga"?
      At least keeps afloat? laughing
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      2. Zementbomber
        Zementbomber April 26 2020 01: 35 New
        0
        Well, it is likely that the fate of the eponymous submarine awaits him

        NOW. such a submarine never existed.
        But I wonder what is there with the "dacha saiga"?

        Norm is everything. It goes. Business card fleet.
  5. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 25 2020 09: 14 New
    -3
    ... For Ukraine as such - an airplane without a future.
    Like Ukraine, a country without a future.
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber April 26 2020 01: 36 New
      -1
      Oh, those wet dreams, dreams ... laughing
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 April 25 2020 09: 15 New
    0
    A great country created a unique plane for great things. There is no country. Aircraft ... Remained overseas.
  7. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 25 2020 09: 16 New
    +9
    If the author did not "grab the top", but at least briefly studied the labor history of this aircraft, the rhetoric would be somewhat different. As a transport, the car exists. As well as "Ruslans". Another thing is that the flights are not regular.
    But after the imposition of the sanctions, Antonov Airlines became a monopoly in their sector, chaining our Volga Dnepr to the ground.
    1. slipped
      slipped April 29 2020 23: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But after the imposition of the sanctions, Antonov Airlines became a monopoly in their sector, chaining our Volga Dnepr to the ground.


      Volga-Dnepr flies and delivers cargo. Here's a recent flight from Florida:



  8. Avior
    Avior April 25 2020 09: 29 New
    +7
    we are talking about one of the same D-18T from Zaporizhzhya Engineering Design Bureau "Progress"

    At one time, when he worked on the Motor, the D18T passed through me, too.
    It is unlikely that he is really “new”, rather, restored, taken from stocks.

    It is doubtful that there are such "reserves" somewhere. Actually, as far as I remember, D18T for Ruslans was made not very long ago, I don't think that it cannot be done now.
  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 25 2020 09: 39 New
    -2
    Uk-ROIN needs to overtake Russia, and build nanoMriya on a scale of 1 to 300! And, launch it away, that is, in a series wassat
    1. Tycoon
      Tycoon April 25 2020 10: 21 New
      +7
      to the psychiatrist ...
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter April 25 2020 12: 54 New
        -2
        Quote: Tycoon
        to the psychiatrist ...

        ... it is necessary for those who want to establish mass production of piece even in the USSR Mriya.
        1. Tycoon
          Tycoon April 25 2020 14: 27 New
          +2
          I agree - only who wants to do this ??? In Ukraine, there are no such plans, unless the second aircraft is completed, but this is not mass production
          1. Sky strike fighter
            Sky strike fighter April 25 2020 14: 30 New
            -3
            And how in Ukraine will Mriya be completed if they cannot make a chassis for it?
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Antonov himself will not be able to finish the second Mriya.
            Kalashnikov said that in the hangars of Antonov lies half of the tail for the second Mriya. The enterprise is able to make the second half, but there are already problems with the chassis. “We were guided by the Yuzhmash plant, a rocket plant. There are problems. We are not able to do it ourselves. They did it in Nizhny Novgorod, in Gorky, I don’t even have to think about it ... There isn’t much optimism, ”he said.

            It’s also expensive and inexpedient. This USSR could afford to build for the same Buran. For Ukraine, this is a suitcase without a handle.
            “It needs to be completely redesigned - separately wings, separately fuselage, separately tail unit. They considered it in the 12th year, when everything was fine with our northern neighbor, somewhere around $ 460 million in the configuration in which it was built, that is, in the old configuration. These are analog systems, tens of kilometers of wires. And if you redesign it, do it as all the new equipment is done now, the figure is completely different money, ”said Donets. According to him, so far the construction of "Mriya" seems economically inexpedient.

            Content Source: https://naukatehnika.com/skolko-stoit-mriya.html
            naukatehnika.com
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 26 2020 16: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Sky Strike fighter
              And how in Ukraine will Mriya be completed if they cannot make a chassis for it?
              Completed in 2120.
    2. bars1
      bars1 April 25 2020 11: 08 New
      0
      Thrifty, Ukrainians think and act much more quickly than you! The Ukrainian company Modelsvit has already mastered the production of the An-225 model on a scale of 1:72.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 26 2020 16: 26 New
        0
        Quote: bars1
        Lean, Ukrainians think and act much more quickly than you! The Ukrainian company Modelsvit has already mastered the production of the An-225 model on a scale of 1:72.

        And Parashenka releases "Mriya" on candy wrappers.
  10. Tycoon
    Tycoon April 25 2020 10: 21 New
    +7
    strange article - the aircraft was in the hangar until the 2000s, then Antonov restored it and it flies, carries cargo. And why does this aircraft have no future ???? It will continue to fly and carry goods ...
    1. Red Dragon
      Red Dragon April 25 2020 10: 54 New
      +5
      I agree with you. The propagandist Haraluzhny often writes in a peculiar way. The main thing is to hurt Ukraine, but the fact that the meaning does not fit very well is wink
    2. bars1
      bars1 April 25 2020 11: 11 New
      -1
      Is flying in a single copy until a resource is developed is the future?
      1. Red Dragon
        Red Dragon April 25 2020 11: 20 New
        0
        MRIA was created for specific purposes. This, when created, was a very highly specialized aircraft and the main task for it is not relevant now. Buranas have not been doing for over 30 years. Therefore, specifically for MRII, this is the future. wink
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 26 2020 16: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Tycoon
      And why does this aircraft have no future ????

      The future will be when after a while a new "Mriya" appears, and if there is only one copy, then it is still present, but by no means the future.
  11. Gato
    Gato April 25 2020 10: 54 New
    -2
    After developing a resource, in the best case, the plane will be delivered to the museum, in the worst case, they will make a tavern or a shopping and entertainment center out of it. And not the fact that the Ukraine.
    Sad gentlemen comrades recourse
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov April 25 2020 11: 05 New
      -2
      "After the development of the resource" - it is good if he can develop the resource. Rather, he will face the fate of being abandoned due to lack of demand. By and large, it was created as part of a gigantic space program, the program ordered a long life, the plane, and he was not alone, remained out of work.
  12. Undecim
    Undecim April 25 2020 11: 05 New
    +6
    The whole article was written for the last sentence about Ukraine. Judging by the articles of the author, Ukraine acts on him like an incense on the popular character of Russian demonology.
    As for the prospects of the aircraft, due to its size and operating characteristics, it performs the role of a kind of "ambulance transport" around the world and, moreover, quite regularly and without any aerospace programs.
    Since 2001, when commercial operation began, the aircraft transported about 30 tons of cargo, flew over 000 kilometers, having visited almost 3000000 airports in 200 countries.
    Given that the aircraft’s life and service life is 20000 flight hours, 4000 flights, 45 years of operation, it’s not soon to retire.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov April 25 2020 11: 08 New
      0
      It would be nice if so.
    2. Moon
      Moon April 25 2020 14: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Undecim
      The whole article was written for the last sentence about Ukraine.

      It is necessary to pamper readers about "Ukrainian something" in a dismissive way, so as not to relax.
      This author has almost 90% of this, maybe Kamenev may be someone else under authorship.
      And really, if you want to make it out on the shelves, you should study why they took Mriya, and not the same AN ​​124 from Antonov Airlines or the same Boeings ..
      The world's largest airplane flies. This is the main thing. He also does useful things. And he has the largest number of records among aircraft!
      I understand that it is necessary to create a srach, they say the plane is there, the Soviet one, that he doesn’t have much time left, for Ukraine it will be driven away (but the Russian Federation wouldn’t have it). Antonov Airlines firm saved him, gave him a second life and work. His brother Buran remained in the Russian Federation. He is not so lucky.
      Let's do it without nationalism and chauvinism (Ukrainian and Russian)
      This is the largest aircraft flying and operating. This is an airplane record holder among airplanes! He is now working for humanity carrying a huge amount of medical cargo.
      And this is Mriya’s contribution to humanity.
      The co-creator and all those involved in it should be proud of him regardless of nationality.
      Good weather for the plane and good work for the crew and staff.
  13. Maas
    Maas April 25 2020 11: 35 New
    0
    This aircraft was created for the Buran program. While the plane is flying, it is being used. Recently, Director Antonova expressed the view that the completion of the second aircraft, while the first one flies, is not economically viable. The first instance will be repaired / restored while it is possible, the second one will be completed in a shift to replace it. In any case, the plane is beautiful, very good in appearance. When I look at him, I involuntarily fill up with nostalgia for the USSR.
  14. Tomich3
    Tomich3 April 25 2020 11: 39 New
    -5
    It is high time for Russia to buy both aircraft. I think that Russia is capable of completing the construction of the second plane, especially if it attracts specialists from Antonov. These are useful machines for the size of our country. This is better than investing in foreign securities.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov April 25 2020 14: 24 New
      +2
      What for??? With this money, it is better to restore the airworthiness of several existing An-124s.
  15. iouris
    iouris April 25 2020 11: 52 New
    +1
    A dream without a future, a future without dreams.
  16. Red Alert
    Red Alert April 25 2020 12: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: Scharnhorst
    "and the cruiser" Ukraine ",

    Well, it is likely that the fate of the eponymous submarine awaits him laughing
    But I wonder what is there with the "dacha saiga"?
    At least keeps afloat? laughing

    And what about our admiral Kuznetsov? What about atomic cruisers? Is everything in order? Although I know your answer. Such ships of Great Russia, the winner of the Pechenegs are not needed, you give the mosquito fleet to the pseudo-patriots. Ruined the country, and now gnarish. Hetman Sagaidachny is the same Soviet legacy as Mriya. People like you are not much different from Ukrainian horses
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber April 26 2020 01: 44 New
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      What about atomic cruisers? Is everything in order? Although I know your answer. Such ships of Great Russia, the winner of the Pechenegs are not needed, you give the mosquito fleet to the pseudo-patriots.

      Well, let's say - TARKRs are really "useless as the Great Egyptian Pyramids". A technical error - there are so many in the history of weapons.
  17. Iris
    Iris April 25 2020 14: 32 New
    +1
    A real living monument of Soviet design thought and production of a multinational country! The fact that he is in demand as an extra-heavy transporter speaks of the multifunctionality laid down in him initially, that is, again about the quality of design ideas. The niche of using this machine (oversized cargo) is rather narrow, but constant - everywhere in the world, from Australia to Alaska - the development of new technologies requires the construction of new facilities, whose components are long and expensive to transport by sea. Well, the sad events of recent times have shown the effectiveness of the machine in emergency situations. Therefore, she will fly. And it would be nice to complete the second, with the involvement of all the forces and experience - suppose, in an international format. Because, unlike many other ambitious products of the late USSR, this aircraft is in demand now, and will be in demand further - and this is the best praise to its creators!
  18. U-58
    U-58 April 25 2020 16: 14 New
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    Outstanding aircraft.
    And he will always find application.
    But it’s interesting, if 747 Ethiopians managed to accommodate 1047 Ethiopians in the Boeing 225, how much could the AN-XNUMX transport in a variant of a towing aircraft?
  19. September XNUMXrd
    September XNUMXrd April 25 2020 17: 15 New
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    Who would have thought that such a large and needed aircraft would be idle on the ground all this time? Already more than a dozen experts have given their assessment that such a plane is not needed, especially if it is a Ukrainian plane. Burning farts of citizens of a neighboring country will cause much more damage to the environment than the operation of this aircraft by Ukraine for the benefit of the whole World)))
  20. Old26
    Old26 April 25 2020 21: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: Malibu
    Well, if Russia does not exist, then yes it will be, but already with an English or most likely Chinese accent ..

    Yes, as there was a mov, it will remain so. Not going anywhere. In the central, eastern and southern parts of Ukraine at the household level, as they spoke Russian (with certain characteristics), they will say so. The official will gradually move to mov when they themselves finish ...

    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Zelensky recently announced that he wants to create a company in the person of a new Ukrainian air carrier following the example of Turkish airlines, where there will be only Antonov’s planes. The trouble is that Antonov has no really competitive passenger planes, there are only transport planes.

    Maksim! Yes, Ukraine probably does not have too many transport planes. The AN-26 and AN-12, if not yet decommissioned, are on the brink. There remains a certain number of AN-124s, and the only Mriya. Wishlist is one thing, but reality is completely different. How many new vehicles do they have now? you can probably count on the fingers of two hands ...

    Quote: mmaxx
    No luck to the company. A lover of embroidery - Khrushchev - sent Antonov to Kharkov. And Kharkov, to its misfortune, ended up in Ukraine. Mustache. Bandera public can only hate. To create is not about them.

    Antonov's company in Kharkov? Or maybe still in Kiev? So another plant was in Dnepropetrovsk. And not because the higher authorities so wanted. It was necessary to disperse the plants of this profile to the maximum ...

    Quote: Sergey Valov
    "After the development of the resource" - it is good if he can develop the resource. Rather, he will face the fate of being abandoned due to lack of demand. By and large, it was created as part of a gigantic space program, the program ordered a long life, the plane, and he was not alone, remained out of work.

    With a strong desire, they can and adapt to fulfill their own space program. Especially if we take into account the increasing rumors about the possible start of the construction of a cosmodrome in Canada and the use of Cyclone-4 carriers at the cosmodrome. It will be easy to load the steps into Mriya and transport them across the Atlantic to Canada ...
    The light did not fit like a wedge for the An-225 on the Buran ...

    Quote: U-58
    Outstanding aircraft.
    And he will always find application.
    But it’s interesting, if 747 Ethiopians managed to accommodate 1047 Ethiopians in the Boeing 225, how much could the AN-XNUMX transport in a variant of a towing aircraft?

    A HZ! Maybe a couple thousand if stacked. When AN-22 "Antey" was first shown in Bourges, all the headlines were full of the phrase that it was capable of lifting 720 people. And "Mriya" is still much larger than "Anthea"
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov April 26 2020 10: 55 New
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      “Adapt to fulfill your own space program” - are you serious?
  21. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber April 26 2020 01: 13 New
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    Damn ... That "Mriya" has no future - it became clear even under the USSR. When the Energia-Buran program and its affiliated programs and projects were "frozen for an indefinite period". What to discuss?
  22. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber April 26 2020 01: 20 New
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    To produce such extremely specific engines that are installed only on the An-124 and An-225 aircraft, Ukraine is now beyond its power, yes, by and large, there is no need.

    Nevertheless, the D-18T-3 continues to be produced. Although in trace amounts. Moreover, Russia also buys them. Through the "gaskets" (Bulgarian seems).
  23. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber April 26 2020 01: 21 New
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    Recall from the very beginning, in the mid-80s of the last century, it was planned to create only two An-225s. Nobody was going to launch them in a series.

    5-10 actually.
  24. Old26
    Old26 April 26 2020 12: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Valov
    “Adapt to fulfill your own space program” - are you serious?

    Absolutely serious. I am generally quite serious about such things. Despite all efforts to "break" the remnants of the Soviet military-industrial complex in Ukraine, it has not yet been possible. And therefore, to shriek that the "boneheads" are all already pr .... whether I'm not going to. It usually resembles an ostrich position, not seeing what your neighbor can do ...
    They have a National Space Agency, they have plans to create launch vehicles at the Yuzhnoye NPO (and believe me, if the need arises, they will do it). Cooperation with Canada in the field of launching from the site (cosmodrome) in Canada of the Ukrainian carrier Cyclone-4 / 4M exists. Why can't all this add up to the Ukrainian space program?

    Quote: Zementbomber
    No. VM-T carried to the Bike blocks of the first stage of "Energy" and tanks for assembling its second stage. He could not lift "Buran".

    This is called "do not believe your eyes." In the photo, taken in December 1983, the product is 0.04 (overall and weight fitting model of the ship)


    Quote: Shkworen
    And there the price of an energy launch program with a snowstorm was prohibitive. I remember the number of the young technician dedicated to this event, I was 7 years old then, and the price of 14 billion Soviet rubles was indicated there, for the USSR, by that time, it was a killer price.

    If such a figure sounded, then this is the price of the entire program, not the launch. The launch is also not cheap, but not 14 billion rubles, especially those Soviet ones ...
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov April 26 2020 16: 58 New
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      "Why all this in sum cannot pull on the Ukrainian space program?" - I can pull on the program, I don’t argue, but translating it into metal is extremely unlikely. If we assume that in Ukraine the situation with personnel is no worse than in the Russian Federation, then everything is very sad (I know both in the Russian Federation), but I hardly believe in it, because I heard about the Ukrainian aviation engineers who moved to the Russian Federation, but vice versa - silence. And this is a trend.
      By the way, for transportation to VM-T, Buran had to be lightly tightened, about ten tons, then the removed one was installed back in Baikonur.
    2. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber April 27 2020 12: 24 New
      -1
      This is called "do not believe your eyes." In the photo, taken in December 1983, the product is 0.04 (overall and weight fitting model of the ship)

      The fact of the matter is that this is not a "photo", but what was later aptly dubbed "photo-ass".
      Just look at the storyboard of loads - and it will open to you ..
  25. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 April 27 2020 00: 10 New
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    These giants were intended, in fact, exclusively for launches of the Buran reusable spacecraft and transportation to the launch site of both the shuttle itself and the elements of the launch vehicle.

    Probably the atator meant not the launches themselves, but the transportation for the launches. It is, of course, impossible to launch Buran from Mriya. But the transportation was apparently only a pretext for the creation of Mriya. The "party and government" then did not spare money for Buran, and a lot of useful things could be done for this business. The real idea, it is said, was to launch something like a Spiral (with an accelerator or a tank, or both) from Mriya in flight. So - as they say - Lozino-Lozinsky explained this to Antonov when he ordered Mriya.
  26. Last centurion
    Last centurion April 27 2020 12: 38 New
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    well, planes by planes ... and most importantly, such processes show the possibility of degradation of civilization. some will never be able to finish building a second plane, others with a sin in half the missiles are withdrawn (it seems to have settled down but vsezh), others remember how to produce an engine from a shuttle. In general, falling out of the ranks of 1 generation of engineers sends a deep knockout to the level of technology in any country. Which is sad in general for humanity.
  27. Old26
    Old26 April 27 2020 13: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: Zementbomber
    This is called "do not believe your eyes." In the photo, taken in December 1983, the product is 0.04 (overall and weight fitting model of the ship)

    The fact of the matter is that this is not a "photo", but what was later aptly dubbed "photo-ass".
    Just look at the storyboard of loads - and it will open to you ..

    In 1983? Photoshop? This is when the first computers of the "electronics" type began to appear in our departments in our design bureaus? With a monochrome screen and 50-100 times less memory than current phones? There are other photos as well. For example, loading on "Atlan" of the same product 0.04. Photo taken in 1984. Moreover, I met these photographs this year around 1986-1987 at the exhibition. In the SM building. For these, they probably also made a "photo-toad": For Aleksandrov, Aliyev, etc.?