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How poker party deprived Japanese aircraft carrier Sinano

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When the first torpedo hit the stern of the Japanese aircraft carrier Sinano, no one could even suggest that this was due to the poker royal flush and the arrogant tactics of the game. But nonetheless, it was just that.


We go in order.

So, the torpedo hit the aircraft carrier in the stern, and within 30 seconds there were explosions of three more torpedoes. It was successful, immediately the flooding of several compartments where the crew members of the "Shinano" began. Explosions and water killed several dozen people at once.

On the bridge, of course, everyone was aware of what was happening, but they did not take the hits seriously. The crew was manned by experienced sailors, many of whom survived the torpedo attacks of the enemy in smaller ships than the giant Sinano. Therefore, even when the aircraft carrier began to roll, the officers remained calm and confident that the damage could be dealt with.

Small historical retreat.

Aircraft carrier "Sinano" was laid as the third component of the planned trio of super links, with a displacement of 70 tons. Musashi, Shinano, and Yamato.

However, after the crushing loss of aircraft carriers inflicted on the Japanese the fleet at the Battle of Midway, the Sinano design was changed, and the battleship began to be remade into the largest aircraft carrier at that time.

Toshio Abe, a graduate of the Japanese Naval Academy, was appointed captain.

How poker party deprived Japanese aircraft carrier Sinano

Abe was a participant in the battle of Midway, where he commanded a destroyer. Colleagues noted that Abe was a very competent officer, but completely non-diplomatic (this is a sin for the Japanese) and completely devoid of a sense of humor. But the captain's volitional qualities earned the respect of the crew.

However, we are interested not so much in the person of the Shinano commander as in his opponent. And here everything is much more interesting.

The future opponent of Abe and Sinano, Joseph Francis Enright, was a complete and unconditional ... loser!


In 1933 he graduated from the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis. As a lieutenant, he received his first command, the submarine S-22, immediately after Midway. It was, in general, a combat training junk that was thrown into battle because it was necessary to torment the Japanese fleet. Accordingly, Enright simply transferred fuel, fighting not so much with the enemy as with an ancient submarine.

In the spring of 1943, Enright was promoted to lieutenant commander and appointed commander of the USS "Dace" submarine. The first military campaign was the last for Enright, because, too cautious, Enright did not fire a single volley, although he had a real opportunity to attack the Shokaku aircraft carrier with torpedoes.

Enright was removed from command and sent to serve as senior officer in the Midway Submarine Base. The coastal service has not brought any good naval officer to anything good, and, frankly burdened by such a service, Enright began to gradually walk along the sloping. That is, consume whiskey in high doses and play cards.

Oddly enough, this led him back to the cabin of the submarine.

This is not to say that Joseph Enright was just kvasil, no. He wrote several reports with the goal of getting on a warship, but for some reason Midway commander Admiral Charles Lockwood did not give Enright's request. Either did not trust, or, in spite of the booze, Enright did quite well with his duties.

Personally, it seems to me that the second option, otherwise they would have long been put out of service, the war still ...

And one of the evenings of the summer of 1944, the very event occurred that became key in our history. Enright played cards with officers from Admiral Lockwood’s inner circle and beat them.

One of the players, Captain Pace, who was impressed by Enright’s aggressive and risky style, asked if Enright could command a submarine in this style. To which Enright naturally answered in the affirmative.

It's funny, but just like that, with the help of a poker party, the career of a naval officer and everything else that followed poker was saved.

On September 24, 1944, Enright was dismissed from his post and assigned to command the Archer Fish submarine, which, having accepted a new command and supplies, went on combat patrol on October 30, 1944.

No one on board could even imagine what events await the boat and crew ...

And the two ships went there, to a point beyond the horizon at which they were to meet.

Archer Fish, a Balao class submarine with a displacement of 1526 tons, traveling at a speed of 20 knots above water and 8,75 knots under water. Cruising range was 11 nautical miles at 000 knots. The crew consisted of 10 officers and 10 junior ranks.


The boat was armed with 10 533 mm torpedo tubes and 24 torpedoes. In addition, the crew had a 127-mm gun and an anti-aircraft machine from Bofors.

With "Sinano" everything was more complicated. In general, the ship was built and rebuilt in an atmosphere of such secrecy that photos weren’t preserved, they weren’t taken at all! The only one that survived was made during sea trials in Tokyo Bay.

So the “Sinano” turned out to be a kind of record holder: the only large warship built in the 20th century that was never officially photographed during construction.


With a total displacement of 71 tons, the Sinano was the largest aircraft carrier built at that time. Only in 890, when the American nuclear aircraft carrier Enterprise was launched, the Sinano lost the lead.

The speed of the Sinano was 27,3 knots (50,6 km / h), which was very good for such a huge man (266 m long). Cruising range was 10 nautical miles at a speed of 000 knots.

The crew of 2 people.

The armament was impressive. 16 universal 127-mm guns, 12 120-mm guns, 85 25-mm machine guns, 22 13-mm machine guns, and 12 more launchers of 120-mm unguided anti-aircraft missiles of 28 barrels each.

Aviation The group was planned out of 18 A7M2 fighters, 12 B7A attack aircraft and 6 C6N1 scouts.

The process of completing the conversion of the superlinkor into a supercarrier was in a terrible hurry, since the Japanese were really stormy on all fronts. All this led to the fact that the "Sinano" not so weakly slammed against the walls of the dock, injuring and injuring more than a dozen people.

But despite the fact that the ship had to be repaired without commissioning, on November 11 the Sinano went to the test, and nine days later the shipbuilders handed it over to the fleet.

Captain Abe was given the task of November 28 to secretly transfer the aircraft carrier from Tokyo harbor to the Kura Sea, where the ship could be easily retrofitted and receive an air group. Three destroyers were allocated as an escort: Isokadze, Yukikadze and Hamakadze type Kagero.


Immediately worth mentioning about the escort. He was nominal. All three destroyers took part in the battle in Leyte Gulf and only the Yukikaze came out without damage. A radar was broken at Khamakadze, Isokadze lost its sonar. In general, two of the three destroyers could be assembled, nothing more. Plus, the crews who suffered losses were, to put it mildly, tired. On the whole, the escort was very so-so.

On the night of November 28, the weather was perfect. The almost full moon provided excellent visibility on both sides. At 22:48 p.m., a radar operator aboard the Archer Fish discovered a large surface ship 12 miles northeast, traveling at a speed of about 20 knots.

Commander Enright suspected that he was a Japanese oil tanker from the so-called Tokyo Express with a small escort. Eager to prove himself, Enright gave the command to emerge and catch up with the convoy.

Meanwhile, they were worried about Sinano because they were able to detect the work of the Archer Fish radar. It became clear that the "Sinano" was discovered, in addition, the Japanese could not take the bearing on the boat, because they were not sure that it was not acting alone. Captain Abe instructed the ships to increase vigilance. But since there was no more activity on the part of the enemy, little by little everyone calmed down.

Enright, meanwhile, was desperate to catch up with the tanker. The radars of that time did not give any idea of ​​the size of the ships, but it was clear that from a distance of 12 miles a small ship simply could not see the radar. So the boat was sure that the goal was more than worthy.

The chase was a very exciting affair. In general, if the Sinano were in full swing, then Archer Fish simply had no chance to catch up with the aircraft carrier. 18 knots against 27 - you understand. But unsigned Sinano boilers did not give such a speed. In general, out of 12 boilers, an aircraft carrier could use only 8, respectively, the speed that the ship could develop was only 21 knots.

True, such a speed was more than enough to feel safe, and the American submarine could only ingloriously come back, but ...

But the pedantic captain Abe clearly followed the instructions received from the command. In principle, the officer of the Japanese imperial fleet could not have done otherwise. Therefore, having received evidence that the aircraft carrier was within the range of the radar, Abe gave the order to go anti-submarine zigzag!

In general, the Americans are fabulously lucky.

In general, instruction is a very useful thing if you know and understand it. And understand when you can move away, and when not. Abe was the right Japanese officer, and therefore instructions were a holy thing for him.

According to the instructions received, instructing the escort, Abe emphasized that the destroyers should not move away from the escorted carrier.

“If I see that an escort has left his place, I will immediately order to return. The signal for returning to the order will be given by the red light of the Sinano spotlight, which will turn on and off for about 10 seconds. I strongly recommend that you not make this signal necessary. ”

And here are the events that happened.

At 10.45 from the observation bridge they reported the discovery of an allegedly enemy submarine. At the same time, Isokadze left the system and at full speed headed towards an unidentified object.

The Archer Fish, the crew of which was sure that the Japanese did not see them, surfaced, and the commander and officers went out onto the bridge to try again to determine who they were hunting for. At this moment, the Isokadze also noticed the boat and rushed to it.

The situation was tense for the Americans, before the convoy it was only about five miles, while officers would pour inside the boat, while they would take water into ballast tanks - Japanese depth charges would already burst next to the boat.

Yes, at that moment, Archer Fish officers realized that their goal was a large aircraft carrier, not a tanker, which was guarded not by boats, but by full-fledged destroyers! And the lead destroyer very quickly goes to them!

But then another strange event happened. A red spotlight flashed on the mast of the aircraft carrier, and ... the destroyer turned away! The Americans were really stunned because the Japanese destroyer, which was only three miles away, could not see the boats! But the fact is, interrupting what could have been a successful attack, because from a distance of three miles, six 127-mm destroyer guns could make a pile of sinking metal out of the boat. Thoroughly picked up.

But obeying a shout from "Sinano", "Isokadze" turned away and returned to duty.

The Americans realized that here it was, luck, and went ahead. Enright, apparently remembering how he had missed the opportunity to attack the "Sekaku", sent everything to the sea devil and decided to attack at all costs. Together with his assistant, Bobczynski, Enright came to the conclusion that the Sinano is going to internal bases, that is, an approximate course of 210 degrees.

And therefore, having left the Japanese to write out an anti-submarine web, the boat went exactly this course, hoping that the calculation of Enright and Bobczynski was correct.

There was a chance if, after the next lapel on the Sinano, they did not see the boats, they could decide that the Americans were behind. And they will calmly return to the true course, where Archer Fish will be waiting for them.

At Sinano, Captain Abe was sure that he was not dealing with a single boat, but with a whole group. And the actions of the Archer Fish crew, which was just trying to figure out the situation and understand who they came across, took for a cunning plan to pull the escort ships from the escorted carrier.

Abe probably believed that the American torpedoes, which were really inferior in power to the Japanese, could not do anything to the Sinano, but if several boats were to fire without interference ... There was logic, because the captain of Shintani, the commander of Iskadze, got a drag for unauthorized actions.

In addition, the aircraft carrier commander was confident that superior speed and anti-submarine maneuver give the convoy such an advantage that it is virtually impossible to level.

But then a report was received by the head of the engine room, Lieutenant Miura, who reported that the bearing of the main shaft was overheated and that it was necessary to reduce the speed to 18 knots for a while.

Truly “sailed”.

Meanwhile, in an American boat, the commander continued to reflect on an incomprehensible show that unfolded before his eyes. Different thoughts swarmed, as Enright himself later admitted, to the extent that they were his own.

However, all thoughts remained overboard when the radar operator stuck his head into the command compartment and announced: “We are lucky, captain! Judging by the radar, the target dramatically changed course. Almost straight west. Firing range - 13 yards, azimuth - 000! ”

Enright and his officers crowded around the desk, calculating the approach of the aircraft carrier and planning an attack. Enright again ran up the ladder to the bridge. Japanese ships were clearly visible in bright moonlight.

Unaware that a faulty shaft bearing was slowing down the Sinano, the Americans suggested that they might not catch up with the aircraft carrier. Perhaps Enright imagined the Shakaku slipping away from him a year ago. Probably, the American captain was, to put it mildly, not enthusiastic about the prospect of losing the second aircraft carrier.

His plan of attack depended primarily on whether the ship would return to a base course of 210 degrees. If the aircraft carrier does this, the Archer Fish will be in the optimal position for the attack, and the Sinano will head straight for the boat.

However, if the Archer Fish approaches the Japanese on the surface, they may notice it, but if the boat goes under water, it will lose speed and the aircraft carrier may overtake it. So Enright had to continue his most secretive movements behind the convoy and pray that the aircraft carrier would turn in his direction.

Plus (more precisely, minus) was also that summer nights are short. The moon was supposed to set at 4:30 in the morning, and stop highlighting the Japanese convoy, and then the sun would generally make an attack impossible, betraying the position of the boat in the water position.

However, everything went according to the American scenario. At 2 56 a.m. on November 29, 1944, the convoy turned 210 degrees and headed straight for the boat. "Archer Fish" plunged, the crew began to prepare for the attack.

When the Sinano turned again in an anti-submarine zigzag, he involuntarily turned out to be a side to the submarine, and Enright watched the aircraft carrier in all its glory through the periscope and made a sketch of the ship to determine the type.

The Americans were surprised that there was nothing of the kind in the military qualifier of ships. Ensign Gordon Crosby, noting the unusual roundness of the bow of the ship, remarked:

“The Japanese have nothing of the kind.”

“Well, damn it, but what am I looking at then?” - objected Enright.

At 3 hours 22 minutes in the morning of November 29, 1944, the Archer Fish bow torpedo tubes spat out six torpedoes with an eight-second interval. Enright at the periscope with great pleasure watched the smoke balls of his torpedo explosions swelling near the side of the ship ...

Further, "Archer Fish" went into the depths, reasonably fearing a strike from Japanese destroyers.

On the Sinano bridge, Captain Abe reflected on how an approaching dawn would sweep away all the barriers for American bombers. But not American bombs, but torpedoes that hit the side of the ship, caused the ensuing events.

The first torpedo made a hole in an empty tank for storing fuel and refrigerating the ship, causing flooding. The second torpedo damaged the right engine room, which also flooded. The third exploded in area 3 of the ammunition depot, killing all those on duty there, as well as flooding warehouses No. 1 and No. 7. The last torpedo hit the air compressor compartment of the starboard side, causing instant flooding of it and damage control station No. 2. This hit also caused the detonation of the starboard fuel tank.

Abe already realized that after all, American torpedoes hit the ship, but did not believe that the damage was fatal. However, the fact that the “Shinano” began to roll, he must have been struck to the core.

It is worth saying here that, due to the rush to put the Sinano into operation, the high command canceled the standard tests for air pressure, which usually ensured the tightness of the compartments.

Plus, the design of the aircraft carrier was very different from the usual. Instead of the usual single main passage, the Sinano was built with two internal highways. The crew was not trained in evacuation procedures in case of emergency, moreover, it was very motley, recruited from other ships, and there was a real possibility that part of the crew simply could not be saved, just lost in the bowels of the ship.

And so it happened, the crowds of distraught Korean workers who did not understand the commands in Japanese, and civilian personnel greatly complicated the actions of the emergency teams.

Meanwhile, the ship's roll increased to 13 degrees. The pumps were operating at full capacity, but water continued to flow. Abe gave the order to try to cope with the roll with the help of counter-flooding.

However, it was not possible to completely straighten the ship, since the Shinano was still walking, and water under pressure entered the ship. Soon, due to short circuits in the mains caused by flooding, all the pumps got up.

Surprisingly, Abe still thought the Shinano could survive. The captain ordered the message to be sent to the Yokosuka Naval Station:

"Sinano was torpedoed at 0317 X, 108 miles at a 198 degree angle from Omae Zaki Lighthouse."

Meanwhile, Japanese destroyers began searching for the enemy’s submarine. Here it is worth recalling how well the situation with the sonar of these ships was. So the destroyers settled on dropping 14 depth charges in the approximate area where the enemy’s boat was located, and that’s all.

An hour after the American torpedoes hit the Sinano, Abe realized the tragedy of the situation. The roll of the aircraft carrier was now 20 degrees, and the speed dropped to 10 knots. At 6 a.m., Abe ordered a change of course to the north-west, hoping to land the Shinano stranded at Cape Ushio.

Hamakase and Isokadze made a generally miserable attempt to tow the aircraft carrier in shallow water, but with a total weight of only 5 tons, they simply could not move the ship with a displacement of 000 tons, and even got a fair amount of water.

At 10:18, Abe gave the order to leave the ship.

On board the Yukikaze, Captain Terauti ordered his senior assistant a classic order:

“Lieutenant, do not pick up sailors who shout or call for help.” Such weak hearts cannot do any good to the fleet. Pick only the strong, who remain calm and courageous.

In general, far more people drowned than were saved. Captain Abe remained in his wheelhouse and went down with the ship. As well as another 1435 people who could not be saved.

Sinano went down in history as the largest warship ever sunk by a submarine. On Wednesday, November 29, 1944, 65 miles off the coast of the Japanese island of Honshu, the ship sank after 17 hours of its first voyage.

Archer Fish arrived at the base on Guam Island on December 15th.


After her crew went ashore, Commander John Corbus, a field operations officer, shocked Enright, telling him:

“I'm sorry, Joe, but naval intelligence doesn't support your claim that you sank an aircraft carrier.” They say that there was no aircraft carrier in Tokyo Bay, so how could you sink it? Maybe you will agree to a cruiser?

Enright began to argue and handed over the pencil sketches of Sinano, made by himself through the periscope. Plus, the radio interception service was able to record a message from Japanese services that the Shinano was sunk.

Enright was awarded the Naval Cross for his triumph, and his submarine received a presidential award.

In peacetime, Archer Fish served as an oceanographic research vessel and was decommissioned only on May 1, 1968.

Later that year, the navy used the boat as a target when testing an experimental torpedo fired by the Snook nuclear submarine. The Archer Fish was towed to a point a few miles off the coast of San Diego and anchored. An experimental torpedo tore the boat in two.

This is how the story of the poker party ended, which cost Japan the largest aircraft carrier.
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  1. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 25 2020 06: 04 New
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    That's what passion for card games leads to. laughing
    And the story is of course very interesting.
    Yes, and probably in the world there is no such aircraft carrier, which he was less than a day))
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 25 2020 06: 23 New
    +9
    By Hollywood standards, the captain of the submarine has a face not of a hero, but of an accountant and an average family man, joking for the sake of putting on a tunic in a shop)
  3. andrewkor
    andrewkor April 25 2020 06: 42 New
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    I had Inright's book on the sinking of the Shinano in my library.
    The article cites it almost word for word, slightly diluted with photos and naval tales.
    The thorough preparation of American submariners is surprising.
    Inright practically without combat experience, having an excellent basic foundation, carried out the "attack of the century"!
    1. Nehist
      Nehist April 25 2020 12: 00 New
      +6
      Who had no experience? You will study his track record to begin with. The fact that it was torn and the release is not for nothing that it was written off to the shore. At one time, he began with conventionally combat boats for a non-normal name. So he had experience up to one place.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 25 2020 13: 55 New
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        Quote: Nehist
        Who had no experience? You will study his track record to begin with. The fact that it was torn and the release is not for nothing that it was written off to the shore.

        Judging by Inright's memoirs, he was shitty with combat experience. In the first exit to the submarine "Day", he failed everything that was possible, and filed a report on the write-off ashore.
        He even had an unsuccessful attack on the Sekaku in his track record:
        I decided that the Day submarine would ambush and torpedo the aircraft carrier in a position that it would occupy by 6.00:XNUMX the next day.
        When the Day submarine headed for the calculated point, my senior assistant and navigator informed me that Kuroshio’s current speed was not one and a half knots, as usual, but half as much. After checking their data, I had to invoke their truth.
        If the navigator of the enemy ship knows that the current speed has fallen, then the carrier group will come to the appointed place exactly according to the forecast of the U.S. Navy intelligence. But if the enemy does not take into account the decrease in the speed of the Kuroshio current, then the aircraft carrier at 6.00 will be 9 miles from the calculated place.
        (...)
        ... I thought exactly like this: “Well, as I report to the admiral, that we found the target nine miles from the calculated point, calculated in accordance with the information that I had, and did not arrive at it just because in our opinion, the navigator of the Japanese aircraft carrier will make a mistake? I think that this is a shaky ground in order not to go to the area indicated to us ... I must act in accordance with the instructions of the admiral. At 6.00 we will arrive at the point designated at his disposal ... "
        (...)
        We saw him at 5.55 in the distance, through the morning haze. Oh, that was a great sight! One of the handsome men, modern heavy aircraft carriers — the Senaku or the Zuikaku — appeared to his gaze. In our Japanese Ship Identification Directory, each tonnage was determined to be 30 tons. Both of them participated in the attack on Pearl Harbor, anyone deserved to become a magnificent trophy. Unfortunately, the aircraft carrier walked nine miles from us, exactly in the same place that my navigator and navigator had calculated, given the Japanese navigator’s ignorance of reducing the speed of the Kuroshio current.
        The aircraft carrier was exactly in the place where, as my intuition prompted me, studying at Annapolis and ten years of experience, it should be.
        We had no chance to attack him. We were on his beam. A distance of 9 miles could just as well be 90 and 900 miles. The aircraft carrier left at a speed of 22 knots. In the surface position, our boat had the highest speed of 19 knots. Dawn quickly, and we could soon be discovered.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist April 25 2020 14: 01 New
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          That is, you yourself have confirmed what I wrote. I went out to sea but was torn and thrown away. The fact that I did not know how is another conversation. And the experience of exiting to the sea is a wagon and a cart. Although even with Sinano he was very lucky ... Honestly, one was lucky and the other was not.
  4. Free wind
    Free wind April 25 2020 07: 03 New
    +8
    And the Japanese could help, let the captain have a sense of humor. Running jokes would poison while the ship is sinking.
    1. Avior
      Avior April 25 2020 08: 11 New
      19
      This is a classic smile
      The captain sees, the torpedo is coming, no longer dodging, says the boatswain - calmly command the team so that there is no panic, otherwise no one will be saved.
      Boatswain to the team - Guys, you want on the table ..... with a "male organ" .... I will hit and the ship will sink!
      Everyone, rejoicing at the joke- Come on!
      The boatswain banged around the table — a crash, the crack of a ship drowned.
      The boatswain and the captain escaped, they swim, the boatswain tells a joke.
      Captain- "You fool, boatswain, and your jokes are stupid! The torpedo has passed by!"
      smile
  5. Sniper Amateur
    Sniper Amateur April 25 2020 07: 18 New
    +2
    The first military campaign was the last for Enright, because, too cautious, Enright did not fire a single volley, although he had a real opportunity to attack the Shokaku aircraft carrier with torpedoes.

    Enright was removed from command and sent to serve as senior officer in the Midway Submarine Base.

    A little bit wrong. Intuition prompted ИNrayt one thing, and the intelligence data of the fleet - spoke of something else. Inright decided to trust the intelligence. And wrong. After which he himself asked to remove him from the command of the boat.
    1. Romey
      Romey April 25 2020 09: 09 New
      +7
      Most of all, Lockwood valued initiative and aggressiveness in his commanders, not unreasonably believing that they should be more visible on the spot than at headquarters for thousands of miles. For this, Inright actually suffered. But again, the admiral knew who could be given a second chance, and who didn’t, and was not mistaken ... The highest managerial flight of the commander of the compound.
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 25 2020 07: 25 New
    +9
    Either did not trust, or, in spite of the booze, Enright did quite well with his duties.
    Author! Write in Russian! He didn’t trust, although Enright did pretty well with his duties, despite the booze.
    September 4, 1944 Enright was dismissed from his post and appointed to command the submarine "Archer Fish",
    Not fired, but transferred!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 25 2020 07: 58 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Write in Russian!



      1. Amateur
        Amateur April 25 2020 08: 34 New
        +8
        How would you unban. Here in VO they don’t like lately when you point out spelling errors. drinks
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 25 2020 09: 11 New
          +5
          Quote: Amateur
          How would you unban. Here in VO they don’t like lately when you point out spelling errors. drinks

          Yes, I stagnated in isolation laughing
          I want to joke, relax. In the morning, cheer up laughing
          And now banderlogs will fly and goodbye mood
          drinks
          1. Amateur
            Amateur April 25 2020 09: 59 New
            +7
            Yes, I stagnated in isolation

            Charters must be studied!

            They have the meaning of life. drinks
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 25 2020 10: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: Amateur
              Charters must be studied!

          2. knn54
            knn54 April 25 2020 11: 05 New
            +6
            For some reason I remembered the movie "Lower / Remove Periscope".
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 25 2020 11: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: knn54
              For some reason I remembered the movie "Lower / Remove Periscope".

              Recently reviewed)
              Just do not understand where the association is here? request
            2. beeper
              beeper April 25 2020 12: 00 New
              +5
              Quote: knn54
              For some reason I remembered the movie "Lower / Remove Periscope".

              hi The same thing inspired me. yes The commander even looks like Inright and the submarine in the film of the same type, "Balao"! winked
              I read his book of memoirs about the "attack of the century" - Inright was not so simple, his head cooked well, there was enough knowledge of naval affairs, initiative and reasonable aggressiveness - a real submariner commander! good
            3. SASHA OLD
              SASHA OLD April 28 2020 12: 55 New
              0
              Quote: knn54
              For some reason I remembered the movie "Lower / Remove Periscope".

              This is where the captain said on the "bolt" "Welcome aboard"? - cool film, revised about a year ago. I like the sonar and the electrician there, who connected the wires with himself)
      2. Alf
        Alf April 25 2020 18: 54 New
        +3
        A couple of years ago I caught pneumonia for the first time in my life (it was hot summer and the beer was cold), and so, the doctor wrote me a prescription and I went to the pharmacy. Next was the NUMBER! The pharmacist, looking at the recipe, told me, “What is written here?” request
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  8. Sasha_rulevoy
    Sasha_rulevoy April 25 2020 08: 30 New
    +2
    The aviation group was planned out of 18 A7M2 fighters, 12 B7A attack aircraft and 6 C6N1 scouts.


    Perhaps this is temporary, then more?
    1. Usher
      Usher April 25 2020 11: 14 New
      +2
      No, this is the maximum. This is LC, not a full AB.
  9. Avior
    Avior April 25 2020 08: 41 New
    +7

    https://topwar.ru/39451-17-chasov-slavy-avianosca-sinano.html
    17 watch glory aircraft carrier "Shinano"

    There is an interesting discussion on how large ships were drowned.
  10. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich April 25 2020 09: 23 New
    14
    I already at first thought this was the creation of Kaptsov, judging by the epithets laughing
    Roman, what-what, let alone a supercarrier "Shinano" was not! All the power of an aircraft carrier lies in its air group and the ability to serve that air group. The Shinano air group consisted of 42 aircraft + 5 reserve ones in boxes. That for a colossus with a displacement of 65 standard, the value is very scanty. The same aircraft carriers of the "Unryu" type carried 000 aircraft at 17500 tons. Feel the difference, so to speak smile
    "Snano" fell victim to Midway when the loss of 4 attack aircraft carriers forced the Japanese to convert everything that was possible into aircraft carriers. By the time the restructuring began, the hull of the future failed Yamato-class battleship was almost ready, so it was difficult to change anything radically. These are the dimensions of the hangars erected on top and accommodated only 4 dozen pepelats. In addition, the weight of the armor with ballast left after the alterations was almost 20000 tons. But the armor was an integral part of the hull.
    Would the ship be more stable in battle thanks to protection? Not a fact, because Americans beat any quality with their quantity.
    That is why the next floating compromise, or rather a victim of circumstances, would in any case have found rest on the bottom of the ocean or in the bays of the naval arsenals of Japan, but he would not have had any effect on the sold out in terms of building its aircraft carriers America.
    Output. Super "Shinano" was only by weight, the article is interesting for general development. Like worth smile
    1. Nehist
      Nehist April 25 2020 12: 07 New
      +1
      Hello, true and fairly concise. Classic AV Japanese is Ryuuze purely percussion AV. Midway ... The mistakes of the Japanese and the luck of the Americans ... For the Yankees have done so many nonsense ...
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 25 2020 14: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Nehist
        Classic AV Japanese is Ryuuze purely percussion AV.

        Rather, "Hiryu" and "Shokaku". "Ryudze" is still too light ...
        Quote: Nehist
        Midway ... The mistakes of the Japanese and the luck of the Americans ... For the Yankees have done so many nonsense ...

        This is not luck, but statistics - since the eighth time, the Yankees have finally succeeded. smile
        1. Nehist
          Nehist April 25 2020 14: 18 New
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          If you consider from the point of view of the aftermath, the Yankees have pure luck ... And the japes are too careful ... In fact, the Japans could give the Yankees as a god a turtle (which, in principle, would not save them in the future) .... Statistics ... If for a long time to suffer something will turn out ... Nevertheless, the japs ​​had such a chance ...
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 25 2020 14: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Nehist
            And excessive caution of the jap ... In fact, the jap could give the Yankees as a god a turtle (which, in principle, would not save them in the future) ....

            How so?
            After all, what was planned: a strike on Midway lures the forces of the USN, along the way they pass through the curtain of submarines, which possibly weakens them and definitely tells Yamamoto and Nagumo about them. And American forces hurrying to help the island fly into a prepared trap.
            And what happened: as soon as Nagumo began to carry out the first stage of the operation - bringing down and dying of Midway - as he suddenly appeared on his flank "a ship that looks like an aircraft carrier." Nobody reported about the passage of which through the curtain of the submarine. The second wave is preparing to strike the island, the first wave is returning, basic Yankee aviation is coming from Midway - in such a situation it is almost impossible to plan and prepare an anti-ship sortie before the "slow but deadly" approach.
            Even if Nagumo throws a second wave with "coastal" loading against AB USN, then he loses the "Zero" umbrella over his unit. For already by the time the American torpers approached to solve the air defense problems of the 1st and 2nd DAW, the escort fighters of the second wave began to take apart. If they are not there, the "Devastators" have a chance. smile
            Quote: Nehist
            Statistics ... If you suffer for a long time, something will turn out ...

            Before the arrival of the dive bombers, Nagumo's compound was sequentially attacked: 4 "widowmakers" and 6 "Avengers", 16 "slow but deadly" from Midway, 15 "fortresses", 11 "Vindicators", 15 "devastators", 14 "devastators", 12 " devastators ".
            1. Orkraider
              Orkraider April 25 2020 21: 59 New
              +1
              For already by the time the American torpers approached to solve the air defense problems of the 1st and 2nd DAW, the escort fighters of the second wave began to take apart. If they are not there, the "Devastators" have a chance. smile

              Greetings!
              hi
              The Devasteytrrov practically had no chance to mine. Both the aircraft and, most importantly, the torpedoes were already obsolete: Mark XIII aircraft torpedoes could be dropped from a height of no more than 15 meters and at a speed of no more than 200 km / h, with a torpedo speed of 33,5 knots ..
              As you correctly pointed out, the number of “devastators”: 8 torpedo-bearing with 15 cars, 6th torpedo-bearing with 14 cars and 3rd torpedo-bearing with 12 cars. The third was covered by 6 "wildcat", which gave all the best and allowed 12 "devasteytory" to go on the attack, to no avail.
              Of the 41 “devasteytory” 35 were shot down, three more boarded the water, and of the three who returned, one was immediately decommissioned.

              The main trouble is that in the constant maneuvering and raising of the fighter umbrella and repelling the strikes of the torpedo bombers, the Japanese were unable to form strike groups and the case ended with the attack of the “dontless”.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA April 27 2020 12: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Orkraider
                The Devasteytrrov practically had no chance to mine.

                In the current reality, when Nagumo, due to the escort fighters of the second wave, was able to constantly keep as many as 42 Zeros in the air above the AV, constantly taking those that were used by the BC and raising reserve ones to replace them, yes, the Devastators had no chance ...
                But if Nagumo had time to throw his second wave on the discovered American ships (if he refused to change weapons), then he would not have left fighters to organize the "conveyor" and constantly maintain a large cover group over the ships. And then the chances for "Devastators" could appear.
                Quote: Orkraider
                Both the aircraft and, most importantly, the torpedoes were already obsolete: Mark XIII aircraft torpedoes could be dropped from a height of no more than 15 meters and at a speed of no more than 200 km / h, with a torpedo speed of 33,5 knots ..

                Navweaps has the results of the July 1941 exercises: out of 10 torpedoes dropped by the VT-6, 4 drowned, 5 moved randomly, and only one started normally and kept heading and speed. However, what else to expect from auxiliary weapons - after all, the basis of the striking power of American ABs were not torpedo bombers, but dive bombers.
                1. Orkraider
                  Orkraider April 27 2020 14: 45 New
                  +1
                  Greetings!
                  hi
                  in case Nagumo would have managed to throw his second wave on the discovered American ships (in case of refusal to change weapons)

                  There would be a completely different alignment, and probably a different outcome of the battle. One of the opinions is that it was precisely because of the lack of coherence and the rise of ever new fighters that instead of an attack, a rout took place.

                  And about the chance, he is always there, I agree with you. But, in the case of the Devastators, the chances are minimal.
                  Here is a very vivid example of the 3rd torpedo bomb. At the time of their attack, there were 39 Zero in the air, six coverings on the Grummans tied them in a fight, having shot down 7, it seems, in exchange for their two, 12 “devastayters” went on the attack, getting a chance and what?
                  The target, it seems, “Soryu” maneuver escaped from the attack, the squadron commander decided to attack another aircraft carrier. Extra kilometers under anti-aircraft fire, the Hiru aircraft carrier dodged two scattered torpedo salvos, 2 vehicles survived from the squadron.
                  I completely agree with your statement:

                  However, what else to expect from auxiliary weapons - after all, the basis of the striking power of American ABs were not torpedo bombers but dive bombers ..
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA April 27 2020 16: 50 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Orkraider
                    One of the opinions is that it was precisely because of the lack of coherence and the rise of ever new fighters that instead of an attack, a rout took place.

                    And according to another opinion, Nagumo was forced to attract escort fighters of the second wave to the air defense, because the fighters assigned for this were simply not enough to repel the incessant Allied raids. Supporters of this opinion stress the unforeseen high survivability of American aircraft, which caused an excessive consumption of 20-mm Zero air cannon shells with the complete ineffectiveness of their machine guns, and the too small ammo capacity of these guns. As a result, fighters quickly consumed cannon ammunition and were forced to leave the battle to reload. And since this process is not instantaneous, they had to find someone to replace them. So they pulled the second wave away.
                    There will be no these machines - and Nagumo runs the risk of meeting "Devastators", having most of the ATS on the decks.
                    Quote: Orkraider
                    Here is a very vivid example of the 3rd torpedo bomb. At the time of their attack, there were 39 Zero in the air, six coverings on the Grummans tied them in a fight, having shot down 7, it seems, in exchange for their two, 12 “devastayters” went on the attack, getting a chance and what?

                    Ummm ... EMNIP, Tech's six (or five) tied only a third of the Zero in a fight (about a dozen or so). The other two-thirds went into torpers.
                    1. Orkraider
                      Orkraider April 27 2020 20: 42 New
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                      EMNIP, Tech's six (or five) tied only a third of the Zero in a fight (about a dozen or so).

                      You have a good memory. good ,
                      Two pairs of captain John Thach, and another pair of direct guard.
                      Here's what I found about the number of Zero tied up, and, by the way, I made a mistake: - not the Japanese, but the 39 fighters from the Japanese.

                      Forty-two Mitsubishi A6M2s versus six heavy-weighted Grumman F4F-4s - the result, it would seem, was again “slightly predictable”. However, this time an unrequited beating did not work. The fourth commander of the 3rd fighter squadron of the 3rd-rank captain John Thach not only pulled half of the Zero onto himself, but also managed to bring down four of them at the cost of losing one of his own. The guarded couple also did not let us down and sent three more to the bottom.


                      But there are many opinions, and my personal opinion is that they all have the right to life, since events overlapped each other and created a cumulative effect. Undoubtedly, the constant attacks forced Japanese ships to maneuver, thus preventing the mechanics in the hangars from rearming the aircraft. And also continuously raise, land, rearm and raise fighters again, that is, keep the flight decks “clean”. All this delayed the departure of drummers.

                      The high survivability of American aircraft, which caused an excessive consumption of 20-mm shells from Zero air cannons with the complete ineffectiveness of their machine guns, and too small ammo capacity of these cannons.

                      I agree.
                      Machine guns against the "Avengers" and "Marauders" are not very)))
                      And the cannon cannon is small, it's a fact
  11. lot
    lot April 25 2020 09: 42 New
    +2
    Poker has nothing to do with the fact. interesting material, the name is tabloid.
  12. Usher
    Usher April 25 2020 11: 17 New
    +4
    Joseph Francis Enright was a complete and unconditional ... loser!

    What is the style of speech? What kind of American, copy-paste from somewhere? And something normal is such a loser, thumps with the admiral. I would have such a failure.
    Surname at the headquarters fire, Bobchinsky, I have a friend with such a clique who walks)
  13. gorenina91
    gorenina91 April 25 2020 12: 00 New
    +4
    - You read, you read ... about ... sea battles ... -And just annoyance takes ...
    -The Japanese only with the Russians "succeeded" in naval battles ... -Personally, I did not understand ...- what is the reason for such "luck" ...
    - But with the Americans in naval battles, the Japanese were simply fatally unlucky ...
    - Once they "turned out" Pearl Harbor ... - And even then ... there the Japanese mostly destroyed American junk - besides, the Americans later restored many of their ships and again used them for their intended purpose ... ... - Yes, and the Japanese at Pearl Harbor lost quite a lot of their aircraft ...
    - Then later during the battle with the Americans at Midway; the Japanese, under almost equal conditions and forces on both sides ...- suffered a defeat after which Japan was no longer able to fight the US Navy on equal terms ...
    -And the sinking of the Japanese aircraft carrier "Sinano" by an American submarine ... is simply the apotheosis of the success of the American Navy and the apotheosis of the failure of the Japanese Navy ...
    -And why the Russian fleet was so unlucky with the Japanese ???
    -All these reasons ...- that, they say, "shimosa was better than pyroxylin"; that the tsarist officers "mucked" ordinary sailors; that the tsarist regime was rotten and the ships were completely outdated equipment and weak (in comparison with the Japanese) weapons; that the Russian ships were slower and more maneuverable, and so on ... and so on ... -Just childish babble, tired of reading about it ...
    -Yes everything was fine on Russian ships:
    -And great plentiful food of Russian sailors (meat cabbage soup, porridge, meat and fish, vegetables and fruits, a glass of alcohol, etc.) and sailor life (only in warm rooms, in sailor’s cockpits) .... -Nothing to compare with the nutrition of Japanese sailors (a very small portion of boiled rice, a handful of pickled radish, soy sauce with the addition of dried fish flour) and the absence of rooms (sailors' cubes) for ordinary sailors (many Japanese sailors simply slept on rice mats on the decks of ships ...- and during severe weather, they simply hid in t yumah) ...
    -This is such a "difference" between the Russian sailors and the Japanese ... -and this with constant identical physical exertion ... -And how the Japanese officers "mutilated" their sailors ... -could even just kill for offense .. - there are no comments ...
    -That's the whole "difference between shimose and pyroxylin" ... -Besides this, it is worth adding the poor professional training of Russian naval officers ... -Japanese officers were professionals, and Russian officers were "amateurs" ... -and these are two big difference ... -And besides ...- the same should have been appointed the commander of the Russian Squadron of such a loser ... as ZP Rozhestvensky (who seems to have once "distinguished himself" on the steamer "Vesta" .. - and it seems like he "did not distinguish himself" ... - and then he was enrolled in progressive figures and fighters against the technical backwardness of the Russian fleet) ... - Well, when there is no professionalism, then very many are enrolled in the "team of fighters" ... -The result is known ...
    - But the "American gambler" turned out to be lucky ... - And in the oceanic expanses he managed to attack a whole compound of Japanese ships ... ) were almost twice inferior to Japanese torpedoes; and the American submarine itself was very inferior in speed to the Japanese ships ... - And the fact that they had to shoot from a very long distance ... - All this did not prevent the sinking of the Japanese aircraft carrier ... - It was just that this American submarine commander was very professionally well prepared. .. -And even playing cards and carrying the coastal service .., I managed to "not lose" this professionalism ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 25 2020 14: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: gorenina91
      -The Japanese only with the Russians "succeeded" in sea battles ...

      Yeah ... and also with the Americans and the British. smile The Yankees began to win only in 1943, and before that there was a solid "Russian roulette".
      Quote: gorenina91
      -Once they "turned out" Pearl Harbor ...- And even then ... there the Japanese mostly destroyed American junk

      Not junk, but the base and backbone of the fleet. What ensured a calm seizure of Southeast Asia - the threat from the flank was removed.
      Quote: gorenina91
      Yes, and the Japanese lost a lot of their planes at Pearl Harbor ...

      55 aircraft and 55 crew members.
      Quote: gorenina91
      - Then later during the battle with the Americans at Midway; the Japanese, under almost equal conditions and forces on both sides ...- suffered a defeat after which Japan was no longer able to fight the US Navy on equal terms ...

      It is very difficult to play with an opponent who sees your alignment at the beginning of the game and your strategy.
      Quote: gorenina91
      - And besides ... - it was necessary to appoint such a loser as the commander of the Russian Squadron ... as ZP Rozhestvensky (who, it seems, once "distinguished himself" on the steamer Vesta ... - and it seems as well as "not distinguished" ...

      Actually, Rozhestvensky just exposed the "battle of Vesta" - in the article "Battleships and cruisers-merchants." His own ministry even sued him ... but a year later the case was dropped, and the commander of "Vesta" Baranov was recommended to sue his officer in private. ”On the hike, the ZPR article still turned out to be true in terms of the description of the battle.
      1. gorenina91
        gorenina91 April 25 2020 15: 12 New
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        Not junk, but the base and backbone of the fleet. What ensured a calm seizure of Southeast Asia - the threat from the flank was removed.

        -What ??? -What else is the "backbone and backbone of the fleet" ... -Yes, even most of this sunken junk (not a single aircraft carrier was sunk ... -they were never at the base) ... -the Americans then raised, repaired and they began to use them again .. -that is what I personally write ... -Yes, and the personnel of the US Navy then suffered losses ...- less than 2400 people (the crew of one aircraft carrier) ... -Read carefully ... -And what The Soviet Baltic Fleet suffered enormous losses when attempting to redeploy warships from the Baltic Sea in August 1941 ... it's just horror ... - more than a third of its entire crew and up to 14 dead sailors. ..

        It is very difficult to play with an opponent who sees your alignment at the beginning of the game and your strategy.

        -And for the Americans, Pearl Harbor was just a mild slap in the face ... -so that all this Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was an absolutely stupid action ... -they didn’t cause any serious losses to the US Navy ..- but just then , at the very beginning ...- revealed all their cards ... -So, the subsequent interceptions by the Americans of all negotiations of the command of the Japanese Navy ...- this is a consequence ...
        Rozhestvensky just exposed "the battle of" Vesta "- in the article" Battleships and cruisers-merchants. "His own ministry even sued him ... but a year later the case was dropped, and the commander of" Vesta "Baranov was recommended to sue his officer privately.

        - I don’t want to add anything about Rozhestvensky ...- a loser., He is a loser ... -That would be engaged in litigation ...- why climb into the commanders of the Russian Squadron ... -Even I could not maneuver my squadron and take advantage of the mistakes Japanese naval commanders ... -just mediocrity and loser ...- nothing more to add ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 25 2020 15: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: gorenina91
          -What ??? -What else is the "backbone and backbone of the fleet" ...

          Before the war, battleships were considered the basis of the US Navy's combat power. Aircraft carriers, on the other hand, were considered auxiliary forces - "scouts" and "! Counterintelligence officers" with the main forces, a means of fighting the enemy's AW and finishing off the enemy's LK. Actually, just such scenarios were played out during the pre-war exercises.
          This is also why the "day of shame" was such a shock - in an hour, the US Pacific Fleet transformed from a full-fledged fleet into a set of reconnaissance groups.
          Quote: gorenina91
          -And what monstrous losses the Soviet Baltic Fleet suffered when trying to relocate warships from the Baltic Sea in August 1941 ... -this is just horror ... - more than a third of all its crew and up to 14 dead sailors.

          Less pathos, please. At the time of the Tallinn passage, the core of the KBF had long been in Kronstadt. Only a detachment of light forces remained in Tallinn, which, moreover, on the second day of the transition, broke away from the transports and arrived in Kronstadt on its own. The main losses fell on the old "Novik" type EMs.
          Quote: gorenina91
          -And for the Americans, Pearl Harbor was just a mild slap in the face ...

          Well yes. Well, yes ... what little things - went into minus almost all the linear forces in the theater.
          Quote: gorenina91
          -so that all this attack of the Japanese on Pearl Harbor was absolutely stupid action ... -they didn’t inflict any serious losses on the US Navy ..

          As a result of the "Bottom of Shame", the US Navy was forced to delay the start of "frog jumping" for about a year. And to carry out its first landing operation "stealthily".
          In addition, it was the strike on the US LK in P-X that allowed Yamamoto to further use the IJN in general and Kido Butai in particular, without looking back at the American fleet. The capture of Southeast Asia and the Philippines was the result of the "Day of Shame".
          Quote: gorenina91
          -Yes, and then the personnel of the US Navy suffered losses ...- less than 2400 people (crew of one aircraft carrier) ... -Read carefully ... -And what monstrous losses did the Soviet Baltic Fleet suffer when trying to relocate warships from the Baltic Sea in August 1941 ... is just horror ... - more than a third of its entire crew and up to 14 dead sailors. ..

          This original, not to say - criminal, view of the large losses of units as a proof of their prowess is deeply rooted in our old army. This view must be fought, and permanent (I emphasize that it is not accidental, which is always possible, especially with modern technology) large losses should indicate the inability of the commander to lead troops, i.e. about his unsuitability for the post.
          © Slashchev-Crimean
          1. gorenina91
            gorenina91 April 25 2020 17: 25 New
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            -Oh, yes, you started to put cons ... -And I thought ... -you want to bring something worthwhile ...

            Less pathos, please.

            -Paphos is just in such names ... as "the day of shame"; "frog jumping" and so on ...
            -You have written something so much here ...
            Before the war, battleships were considered the basis of the combat power of the US Navy.

            -Yes, you never know what was the opinion "before" ... -And most importantly, what became "after" ..
            -And "after" was that, after December 10, 1941 (already three days after Pearl Harbor) in the South China Sea, Japanese aircraft sunk two most powerful British warships - the battleship Prince of Wales and the linear the cruiser "Repals" .... - and it became immediately clear to everyone that the time of battleships had passed and these huge battleships became only good targets for dive aviation and air torpedo bombers ... - And that the era of aircraft carriers had come ...
            -So the Americans didn't have to grieve for their floating monsters for long ..; about the "day of shame"; about "frog jumps" and so on ... -On the contrary, it allowed the Americans to get rid of illusions so quickly and build hopes in using these floating monsters ... as the main striking force ... -Ie. the Americans have benefited from Pearl Harbor; from this "day of shame" ...
            1. Rurikovich
              Rurikovich April 25 2020 20: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: gorenina91
              "frog jumping"

              Dear Irina, Frederick Sherman, in his description of the war with the Japanese, also mentions the strategy of "frog jumping" - i.e. the gradual displacement of the Japanese by landing operations on the island archipelagos. And he took a direct part in the war in the Pacific wink hi
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 27 2020 17: 29 New
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              Quote: gorenina91
              -Oh, yes, you started to put cons ... -And I thought ... -you want to bring something worthwhile ...

              Not at the address - I have no habit of minus.
              Quote: gorenina91
              -Paphos is just in such names ... as "the day of shame"; "frog jumping" and so on ...

              Pathetic frog jumping? I’m directly seeing a pathosly jumping pathos frog. smile
              And "Day of Shame" is the definition of the events of December 07.12.1941, XNUMX, by FDR.
              Quote: gorenina91
              -And it became immediately clear to everyone that the time of the battleships had passed and these huge battleships were only good targets for diving aircraft and torpedo bombers ... -And that the era of aircraft carriers has come ...

              It became clear to everyone that battleships just needed to be better covered.
              Pearl Harbor itself showed only one thing: in the event of a sudden attack, a fleet tied hand and foot by politicians can even be sunk in the base. However, the year before, the British showed that the base battleships calmly drown even in wartime - the main thing is to hit unexpectedly. ICH, after Taranto no one spoke about the decline of the linear fleet - ABC even in 1942 lamented that it had no battleships.
              1. Liam
                Liam April 27 2020 17: 50 New
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                Quote: Alexey RA
                And "Day of Shame" is the definition of the events of December 07.12.1941, XNUMX, by FDR.

                Only this definition of Roosevelt did not apply to the United States and Navy, but to Japan, namely, an attack without a declaration of war.
  14. toha124
    toha124 April 25 2020 12: 37 New
    +1
    The aviation group was planned out of 18 A7M2 fighters, 12 B7A attack aircraft and 6 C6N1 scouts

    Something is not very clear. Wasn't that too small an air group for any heavy aircraft carrier of the time? Not to mention "super"
    1. Macsen_wledig
      Macsen_wledig April 25 2020 14: 32 New
      -1
      Quote: toha124
      The aviation group was planned out of 18 A7M2 fighters, 12 B7A attack aircraft and 6 C6N1 scouts

      Something is not very clear. Wasn't that too small an air group for any heavy aircraft carrier of the time? Not to mention "super"

      According to the documents of the American naval mission in Japan, the Shinano was planned to be something like an overgrown Unicorn: it was supposed to become the floating rear of an aircraft carrier formation, with workshops, reserve aircraft, ammunition supplies, etc.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 25 2020 16: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Macsen_Wledig
        According to the documents of the American naval mission in Japan, the Shinano was planned to be something like an overgrown Unicorn: it was supposed to become the floating rear of an aircraft carrier formation, with workshops, reserve aircraft, ammunition supplies, etc.

        Ummm ... isn't it leading airfield - to repair aircraft returning from battle and reload / refuel fighters of the front line of air defense?
        The tasks are the same as for Unicorn, but they must be completed in the first line or even before the main AUG. Hence the huge number of air defense barrels + theoretically strong constructive protection with a small own air group.
        1. Macsen_wledig
          Macsen_wledig April 25 2020 16: 11 New
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          Quote: Alexey RA
          Ummm ... isn't it leading airfield - to repair aircraft returning from battle and reload / refuel fighters of the front line of air defense?
          The tasks are the same as for Unicorn, but they must be completed in the first line or even before the main AUG. Hence the huge number of air defense barrels + theoretically strong constructive protection with a small own air group.

          It seems to me that his place in the ranks would be determined by the tactical situation ...
  15. Undecim
    Undecim April 25 2020 12: 53 New
    +3

    An entertaining style of presentation is good, but for the sake of it, he should not deviate from reality, especially in his biography.
    Enright was removed from command and sent to serve as senior officer in the Midway Submarine Base.
    He was not removed from command. Enright, as a normal officer, took all the blame for an unsuccessful almost two-month military campaign and asked to be replaced by an officer "who can act more productively" in his report.
    And the fact that Admiral Lockwood gave Enright a second chance is not because of poker, but because. that Lockwood was intensively cleaning what he called the “dead woods” of the inactive and cautious U-boat commanders. Therefore, during the year Archerfish, having gone on four campaigns, changed three commanders.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim April 25 2020 12: 59 New
      +3

      And this is Enright (in the background) at the age of 90 years two weeks before his death. He died in a nursing home in 2000.
      1. Moon
        Moon April 25 2020 16: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Undecim
        And this is Enright (in the background) at the age of 90 years two weeks before his death. He died in a nursing home in 2000.

        ordinary old man. Nothing outstanding. It is difficult to suspect the glorious hero of the article in it.
        The article is good, easy to read and nice, thanks!
        Quote: Alexey RA
        55 aircraft and 55 crew members.

        The Japanese lost 29 aircraft - 15 dive bombers, 5 torpedo bombers and 9 fighters. 5 submarines were sunk. Losses in people amounted to 64 people (55 pilots, 9 submariners). Another, Lieutenant Sakamaki, was captured. He swam to shore after his ultra-small submarine hit a reef.
        Pearl Harbor is an example of the very great luck of the Japanese! Even an attack on the PA is not so successful.
        To say that the Japanese were lucky in the REV is difficult. Those battleships that were drowned on mines are also an example of Russian luck with the proper initiative!
        With all the initiative, the Japanese had the same luck - they simply created more opportunities!
        Lucky one who is lucky!
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 27 2020 13: 13 New
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          Quote: Σελήνη
          The Japanese lost 29 aircraft - 15 dive bombers, 5 torpedo bombers and 9 fighters.

          No. 29 aircraft - these are only those that were lost over Oahu. Another 26 cars from the number of those who returned to AB were declared non-repairable and decommissioned.
          So, as a result of the Oahu raid, the IJN lost a total of 55 aircraft. The total number of damaged Japanese aircraft is 85 (excluding 26 damaged and later decommissioned).
          Quote: Σελήνη
          Pearl Harbor is an example of the very great luck of the Japanese!

          Pearl Harbor is an example of what happens when politicians tie the navy and army hand and foot. All of Short and Kimmel's requests for increased readiness crashed against the same policy argument: "We are negotiating with Japan. Any increase in combat readiness could provoke Japan to stop them and blame the American side. Therefore, we prohibit increasing combat readiness".
          We barely managed to knock out permission to introduce at least the lowest degree of combat readiness. But then the military screwed up to themselves: this degree provided for defense only from saboteurs, therefore, to carry it out, it was necessary, among other things, to pull the planes out to an open place and put them under protection. However, if Short had not done this, then very unpleasant questions would have appeared to him, such as: "You so persistently in words asked to increase combat readiness. We have allowed you this. So why are you now really not doing anything to increase combat readiness? Why do not you fulfill the requirements of the lowest degree of combat readiness? Have we allowed you to enter it in vain?"
  16. Tarasios
    Tarasios April 25 2020 18: 09 New
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    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    By Hollywood standards, the captain of the submarine has a face not of a hero, but of an accountant and an average family man, joking for the sake of putting on a tunic in a shop)

    Yeah, one dressing is worth;)
  17. bubalik
    bubalik April 25 2020 18: 41 New
    +2
    The Archer Fish was towed to a point a few miles off the coast of San Diego and anchored. An experimental torpedo tore the boat in two.




    Archerfish (SS-311) circa 1957-1968.


    In Tokyo Bay September 1, 1945

    Captain Joseph F. Enright
  18. Mister X
    Mister X April 26 2020 11: 10 New
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    Novel, a beautifully written article!
    Thank you, I read it with pleasure!
  19. Sardanapalus
    Sardanapalus April 26 2020 12: 59 New
    +1
    I still did not understand "Isokadze" the destroyer saw the submarine for sure and deliberately went to intercept or simply moved towards it when the order from the aircraft carrier came "all back". This is an important moment in those events.
    1. Romey
      Romey April 26 2020 18: 06 New
      +1
      Yes. And he was already on the attack, but the doubled signal from Shinano forced Isokadze to take a place in the warrant.
      1. Sardanapalus
        Sardanapalus April 27 2020 02: 29 New
        +1
        In this case, the suppression of the initiative of subordinates sideways left the Japanese admiral.