On the cons of modular small arms

Recently, a tendency towards the modularity of small arms has been actively manifesting itself. weapons. Manufacturers of pistols and assault rifles around the world offer models that can transform the way the owner wishes.

With an additional set, the gun turns, the gun turns ... well, if not into an assault rifle, of course ... then at least it can change the caliber or barrel length to change the initial velocity of the bullet, and accordingly - the striking ability.

Czech, American, Italian, German manufacturers follow such a path as modularity. It would seem that the trend for the future is finally determined. But is it? After all, the question of modularity also has its own nuances, which it’s definitely not possible to attribute to the advantages of such weapons.

For example, Beretta offers a semi-automatic pistol APX FDE (magazine for 17 rounds), which is positioned as a gun for the military and police units. It is reported that the gun can be positioned "under the mass operator."

But with the "mass operator" in the case of using modular weapons, difficulties arise. If in the case of the Beretta APX FDE modularity does not provide for a change of caliber - it remains equal to 9 mm, then in many other cases such a change is provided for with the modularity option.

In military circles, it is noted that this is unnecessary for mass deliveries. Firstly, to carry out tasks that are not related to the activities of special forces, interchangeable options with caliber, pads and other things in the vast majority of cases are unlikely to be needed. Secondly, such small arms and will cost when purchased, often many times more expensive than standard pistols and assault rifles (machine guns).

Another thing when it comes to performing special combat missions, each of which may require a specific version of the "barrel", the caliber of ammunition. However, there are also disadvantages to modular weapons here, because for a task, a split second can play a role. And if a special forces soldier in time pressure mode begins to think which module to use for a pistol, he can give odds to the enemy.

Representatives of special forces also note one more minus: the constant change of small arms modules ultimately requires special care for the gun, and depending on the type of weapon it can lead to an impact on the final accuracy and accuracy of fire.

Comments

[Vasyan1971]

The case when you can say: "These are not our problems!"

[Same lech]

and depending on the version of the weapon, it can lead to an impact on the final accuracy and accuracy of fire.

Famous scene ...

[novel66]

perhaps the best moment in the movie

[orionvitt]

This is modularity, the rest is just childhood.

[Catfish]

Thank you, Alex. For the sake of this video, it was worth opening the page.

[Labrador]

All this modularity for the civilian consumer. For the same specialists, not so much is needed: a muffler and aimed body kits.

[Alexga]

And who needs all this !?

[Galleon]

This article is somewhat similar to a recent article on tiltrotors. Yes, in the West there is a large market for civilian weapons, some serious "toys" for adult children. They need modularity in the age of transformers. We do not have a civilian weapons market, our producers do not need to fight for the consumer and make pistols attractive... Another world, different approaches. But why say that modularity is worse? First, catch up with those samples in terms of reliability, in terms of the resource of shots, and then talk about the fact that "modularity failed".

[Free wind]

Pancake!!!!! A toy, just a class.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

In the west, the best gun is Glock-21, a caliber of 45ACP (11,43 mm), and a large magazine (13 rounds + 1 in the barrel).

[voyaka uh]

Somehow I shot from a 45 caliber ... From a Colt pistol.
He so jumps in his hand, and such a roar ... for an amateur.
In my opinion, such a caliber is excessive. Lugger 9 mm completely
sufficient for all tasks.
The same Glock under the luger. And 15 rounds of ammunition, and more precisely, and quieter.

[Catfish]

I also tried 1911, I liked the weapon, it doesn’t especially jump, but it rattles quite tolerably.

[PSih2097]

Quote: voyaka uh

Lugger 9 mm completely
sufficient for all tasks.

no, the best is .40SW (10 × 22).

[3danimal]

Below I wrote about my own experience of shooting from Glock-22.
In general, I agree with the decision of the FBI to switch back to "Luger" 9mm. It is better to fire 10 rounds and hit 8-9 times (for the middle shooter) than 3-4. More targets will hit.

[Simargl]

Quote: 3danimal

It is better to fire 10 rounds and hit 8-9 times (for the middle shooter) than 3-4. More targets will hit.

It’s better to look from the other side: once you get from 10 - 8-9 times, you will report once for these 8-9 times. But for 1-2, or 6-7 will have to report on each.

[3danimal]

Are you talking about the superior stopping power of the .40S & W? It is not so significant, with one type of cartridges (FMJ, JHP), compared to a decrease in the probability of hitting.
There is also exotic like rip

[Simargl]

Quote: 3danimal

Are you talking about the superior stopping power of the .40S & W?

No. I'm talking about misses.
Suppose you had to shoot 100500 times to capture an evil villain. Missed 20 times, hit 100480 times. I have to write 21 pieces of paper.

[3danimal]

In Glok'e-17 (9mm) 17 + 1 rounds
He fired from Glock-22 (.40SW), after Luger - accuracy deteriorated, at large distances (20 meters and more) it was especially noticeable. The sound of the shot is louder, the toss is stronger, it is more difficult to control the weapon.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: voyaka uh

Somehow I shot from a 45 caliber ... From a Colt pistol.
He so jumps in his hand, and such a roar ... for an amateur.
In my opinion, such a caliber is excessive. Lugger 9 mm completely
sufficient for all tasks.
The same Glock under the luger. And 15 rounds of ammunition, and more precisely, and quieter.

Of course, I am not Stanislavsky, but I am tempted to say “I don’t believe!”. If you were shooting from 1911, you would feel, in comparison with 9x19, an extended in time, unsharp, and in force equal to 9x19 recoil. 1911 is very comfortable for shooting, some 9mm are much worse in this regard. The 1911 recoil is very similar to the Stechkin recoil. In general, 1911, especially in modern forms of the MEU type (but not a high-cap), is a very comfortable, beautiful and reliable pistol. Better in the hand is not a single modern "plastic blaster", accuracy (if we take decent manufacturers, not Colt) and ergonomics are no worse than modern tactics. One problem is body armor. Only because of the penetrating ability, 45 left the war for civilian life.

[voyaka uh]

Colt1911 was a Spanish copy, LLAMA seems.
And not mine, they gave me a shoot. I described my feelings of that time.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: voyaka uh

Colt1911 was a Spanish copy, LLAMA seems.
And not mine, they gave me a shoot. I described my feelings of that time.

For a complete understanding of the realities of Russia, I’ll explain: the return of 1911 compared to 9x19 (for example Chzetka75) by analogy with the 12th caliber (it will be clear to hunters) as the return of the MP153 compared to the IL-27. :) It seems the same, but softer.

[3danimal]

If you look at the power of the cartridge and ballistics, it looks more profitable Glock-31 under .357sig.
And the most adapted to comfortable and accurate shooting - Glock-17, under Luger.

[oldzek]

and why argue? anyway, the main module for any weapon is the owner’s head IMHO

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: 3danimal

If you look at the power of the cartridge and ballistics, it looks more profitable Glock-31 under .357sig.
And the most adapted to comfortable and accurate shooting - Glock-17, under Luger.

Glock "for sure :)" is not suitable for accurate shooting. The influence of self-cocking has not been canceled. And he has self-cocking after each shot. Sig 226, ChZet75, and to hell with her - even Beretta 92! All trigger pistols are, by definition, more accurate than the Glock.

[3danimal]

The effort on the descent is very insignificant (subjective), in terms of accuracy both Glock and Cz Viper were approximately the same.

[3danimal]

I watched the animation of Glock17 automation and everywhere it is clear that the drummer automatically cockes after a shot.

[3danimal]

Here is a detailed animation with comments.
https://youtu.be/V2RDitgCaD0

[Simargl]

Quote: Alexey Lobanov

And samovzvod at him after each shot.

Glock doesn’t have a self-cocking (this is when a drummer or a cock is cocked when firing), but a hammer re-cocking after a half-cocking.

[novel66]

and this is beret ??? shame on the jungle !!! where is the classics of forms ???

[voyaka uh]

The barrel is not changed during a military or police operation, but before it,
when looms what needs to be done.
And the entire special forces or police unit is still in the barracks, at the stage
preparing equipment for the operation, changing trunks, setting sights or silencers.

[cat Rusich]

Can it be easier for special forces to take the right weapon for an operation in a gunsmith? - here hunters buy separately guns with barrels - a full choke, a weak choke, a payday, a weak payday or a cylinder ... a bell (on double-barreled guns, the trunks may be different (chock - payday)). The average policeman and layman needs regular "non-replaceable barrels" to "tie" the barrel to the pistol number. An example from life - a car of the same brand is sold with different engines (different in volume, diesel oil or gasoline), but the driver is not offered 1 (one) car and several replacement engines in addition.

[Simargl]

Quote: cat Rusich

here hunters buy separately guns with trunks - full choke, weak choke, paycheck, weak paycheck or cylinder ... bell (trunks can be different on double-barreled guns (choke - paycheck))

The fixes are probably in obscenely expensive guns (I don't know - I didn't). In "cheap" up to 300 rubles. - replaceable DS. There is a polish (you turn the washer and the narrowing changes).

[tlauicol]

The best modularity is a slingshot knife Arrows, darts, harpoons, balls of any caliber, nuts or just stones. Also cut or cut your nails

[Catfish]

As Vasya Ivanovich used to say - "With a bare heel on a checker."? More precisely with a slingshot on a machine gun?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: voyaka uh

Somehow I shot from a 45 caliber ... From a Colt pistol.
He so jumps in his hand, and such a roar ... for an amateur.
In my opinion, such a caliber is excessive. Lugger 9 mm completely
sufficient for all tasks.
The same Glock under the luger. And 15 rounds of ammunition, and more precisely, and quieter.

Glock 21 is from the compensators above the barrel, when fired, the powder gases go up and stabilize the shooting.

[3danimal]

These are all crutches that worsen the basic characteristics (reliability, for example).
The story of a return to the 9mm Para is indicative.

[voyaka uh]

Yes. Glock is a cool car. I have a simple Sizetta CZ-2000.
But I train a little, lazy. Therefore, I shoot lousy, to be honest.
I used to shoot very decently from the M-16 "panicle".

[3danimal]

Cz is good
From the M-16 it is very comfortable to shoot, ergonomics, convenient for right-handed people / left-handed people /, good iron sight, weak recoil and toss.
(I cannot say anything about the reliability of the latter; I used it only in a dash.)

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: voyaka uh

Somehow I shot from a 45 caliber ... From a Colt pistol.
He so jumps in his hand, and such a roar ... for an amateur.
In my opinion, such a caliber is excessive. Lugger 9 mm completely
sufficient for all tasks.
The same Glock under the luger. And 15 rounds of ammunition, and more precisely, and quieter.

Glock 21 is from the compensators above the barrel, when fired, the powder gases go up and stabilize the shooting.

Of course, you will later say that your photo was accidentally inserted by mistake, but on your photo of the glock the "compensator" is simply divine! The only question is, what will he compensate there? Or does it have a trunk cut with slits at the end? :)))) Do you have any idea of ​​the Glock firing mechanism?

[YOUR]

Modular weapons, what is it and why is it needed and who needs it. In principle, AKM, RPK, AK74 RPK74 is an example of a modular weapon. Changed the trunks to get a machine gun, changed the trunks to get a multi-caliber weapon. This is just a cheapening of weapons, advertising gunsmiths. Change the barrel and get a carbine instead of a pistol. Who in combat will deal with this nonsense, like changing trunks, changing calibers, clinging to butt stocks, etc.
Automatic and ammunition more solution to most problems, add grenades in general the ultimate dream. Ah, you need to solve problems in an indoor room, so that someone doesn’t get hurt there may be a bandit in the armor, but there is a problem, this is a city and people around, well, take guns with the appropriate cartridges.
No one in combat will be involved in changing a module. will perform the task.
The same with athletes shooters. Who really doesn’t need it. Rather, they will take several units of weapons for the competition.
Well, an advanced amateur, yes, if there is money, he will be able to change it and carry cartridges with machines. And the manufacturer joyfully rub his hands

[Sniper Amateur]

Who in combat will deal with this nonsense, like a change of trunks

Machine gun calculation for example.

[YOUR]

Change of a heated barrel, to another to continue shooting, but not long, for a short one based on some considerations.
But a plus sign from humor from me.

[Sniper Amateur]

You from me too +.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: YOUR

Modular weapons, what is it and why is it needed and who needs it. In principle, AKM, RPK, AK74 RPK74 is an example of a modular weapon. Changed the trunks to get a machine gun, changed the trunks to get a multi-caliber weapon. This is just a cheapening of weapons, advertising gunsmiths. Change the barrel and get a carbine instead of a pistol. Who in combat will deal with this nonsense, like changing trunks, changing calibers, clinging to butt stocks, etc.
Automatic and ammunition more solution to most problems, add grenades in general the ultimate dream. Ah, you need to solve problems in an indoor room, so that someone doesn’t get hurt there may be a bandit in the armor, but there is a problem, this is a city and people around, well, take guns with the appropriate cartridges.
No one in combat will be involved in changing a module. will perform the task.
The same with athletes shooters. Who really doesn’t need it. Rather, they will take several units of weapons for the competition.
Well, an advanced amateur, yes, if there is money, he will be able to change it and carry cartridges with machines. And the manufacturer joyfully rub his hands

You very competently described! A huge plus to you !!! I agree, modularity is a commercial project, an excuse to pump out extra money from a buyer (a civilian weapon lover).

[smaug78]

another nonsense from yellow TP authors

[awdrgy]

What is good about modularity is the ability to fire ammunition of different calibers This is relevant 1) in the absence of a stable supply of ammunition 2) as well as if it is impossible to get "well, these are the cartridges" 3) and finally, the cost of the shot- the owner has the opportunity to choose 4) for solving various problems Naturally, consumers are a special division and civilians And in the second case the question of the cost of such a barrel arises. It is possible to really lower it without getting hung up on pistols but paying attention to revolvers

[cat Rusich]

For a partisan detachment - modular weapons, with the ability to change ammunition, will go, behind enemy lines, the choice of ammunition is limited - either your own or the enemy. The "civilian" owner does not have an "urgent" need to choose which is cheaper, just the consumption of the bookmaker from the "civilian" is small - a couple of clips for a year is enough. In the USA, in order to "reduce the cost" of cartridges, they reload spent cartridges from shooting ranges and sell them again. Interchangeable barrel revolvers have long been sold, such as Dan Wesson revolvers ranging in calibers from .22LR to .460 Rowland.

[Sniper Amateur]

For example, Beretta offers a semi-automatic pistol APX FDE (magazine for 17 rounds), which is positioned as a gun for the military and police units. It is reported that the gun can be positioned "under the mass operator."

But with the "mass operator" in the case of using modular weapons, difficulties arise. If in the case of the Beretta APX FDE modularity does not provide for a change of caliber - it remains equal to 9 mm, then in many other cases such a change is provided for with the modularity option.

In military circles, it is noted that this is unnecessary for mass deliveries.

The "mass operator" in the armies and police of the First World is "a little bit" not what is considered a "mass operator" in the post-USSR. private infantry John Doe is supposed to own half a dozen VUS.

such small arms and will cost when purchased often at times more expensive than standard pistols and assault rifles

This is generally easy. The master is the master! In the same States, there are towns where the marshal's aides are still armed with non-self-cocking revolvers and wooden police batons. And there are cities where the usual city police patrol is armed, equipped and equipped so that the Russian 1st Omsdon is bashfully smoking aside.

The rest of the "doubts and objections" of the author of the article are of the same "high level".

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Vasyan1971

The case when you can say: "These are not our problems!"

you are very much right, and let our Kalash buy over the hill, etc., when their cool weapons jam

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: awdrgy

What is good about modularity is the ability to fire ammunition of different calibers This is relevant 1) in the absence of a stable supply of ammunition 2) as well as if it is impossible to get "well, these are the cartridges" 3) and finally, the cost of the shot- the owner has the opportunity to choose 4) for solving various problems Naturally, consumers are a special division and civilians And in the second case the question of the cost of such a barrel arises. It is possible to really lower it without getting hung up on pistols but paying attention to revolvers

in war there is no other principle as the universality of weapons in any conditions (water, fire, air, earth) !!! All the jokes of modularity rest, which was voiced about the specialists from the above, what follows.

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: voyaka uh

Somehow I shot from a 45 caliber ... From a Colt pistol.
He so jumps in his hand, and such a roar ... for an amateur.
In my opinion, such a caliber is excessive. Lugger 9 mm completely
sufficient for all tasks.
The same Glock under the luger. And 15 rounds of ammunition, and more precisely, and quieter.

You know the purpose of the cartridges and their calibers, some have a stopping effect, while others have a killer effect. And do not forget the lethal force range!

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: lvov_aleksey

Quote: Vasyan1971

The case when you can say: "These are not our problems!"

you are very much right, and let our Kalash buy over the hill, etc., when their cool weapons jam

I'm afraid that our Kalashi in all known caliber 5.45, 5.56, 308, 30-06 and + 12 caliber, all five will cost less than one Amerikosov modular Ar-15 or Heckler and Koch German.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: voyaka uh

Colt1911 was a Spanish copy, LLAMA seems.
And not mine, they gave me a shoot. I described my feelings of that time.

Well, about using 1911 it’s very easy to check a person with one Tricky question -
You removed the gun from the fuse before cocking the trigger (shutter)? :)))))

[voyaka uh]

That's what I don’t remember after 25 years
My CZ-2000 has no fuse at all.
M-16 cannot be cocked the first time if it is not on the fuse.
And with a MAG machine gun - vice versa. But to the left should stick out
fuse or right - kill, I don’t remember.
And once in nightmares it dreamed: "ahhh !!!! the machine gun does not fire."

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Alexey Lobanov

Of course, you will later say that your photo was accidentally inserted by mistake, but on your photo of the glock the "compensator" is simply divine! The only question is, what will he compensate there? Or does it have a trunk cut with slits at the end? :)))) Do you have any idea of ​​the Glock firing mechanism?

"Glock 21C - equipped with a compensator, consisting of two holes on the upper surface of the barrel near the muzzle and a slot in the breech casing above these holes. The reactive force of the propellant gases flowing out of the holes reduces the bounce of the barrel under the influence of recoil."

[Alexey Lobanov]

You are right, 21c is really with cutouts in the barrel and bolt! The only excuse for me is that you wrote in the post glock21, not 21s. I apologize!

[Alexey Lobanov]

I have a question for the author of the article! You first post there:
https://weaponews.com/news/65362137-cons-modular-small-arms.html
and then here? Or is it copy-paste?

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: voyaka uh

M-16 cannot be cocked the first time if it is not on the fuse.

In general, you answered the question about 1911, just the opposite! Why put it on the guard if the weapon is not cocked? :)
M-16 company Colt. The principle has remained since 1911. :)))