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On the cons of modular small arms

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Recently, a tendency towards the modularity of small arms has been actively manifesting itself. weapons. Manufacturers of pistols and assault rifles around the world offer models that can transform the way the owner wishes.


With an additional set, the gun turns, the gun turns ... well, if not into an assault rifle, of course ... then at least it can change the caliber or barrel length to change the initial velocity of the bullet, and accordingly - the striking ability.

Czech, American, Italian, German manufacturers follow such a path as modularity. It would seem that the trend for the future is finally determined. But is it? After all, the question of modularity also has its own nuances, which it’s definitely not possible to attribute to the advantages of such weapons.

For example, Beretta offers a semi-automatic pistol APX FDE (magazine for 17 rounds), which is positioned as a gun for the military and police units. It is reported that the gun can be positioned "under the mass operator."

But with the "mass operator" in the case of using modular weapons, difficulties arise. If in the case of the Beretta APX FDE modularity does not provide for a change of caliber - it remains equal to 9 mm, then in many other cases such a change is provided for with the modularity option.

In military circles, it is noted that this is unnecessary for mass deliveries. Firstly, to carry out tasks that are not related to the activities of special forces, interchangeable options with caliber, pads and other things in the vast majority of cases are unlikely to be needed. Secondly, such small arms and will cost when purchased, often many times more expensive than standard pistols and assault rifles (machine guns).

Another thing when it comes to performing special combat missions, each of which may require a specific version of the "barrel", the caliber of ammunition. However, there are also disadvantages to modular weapons here, because for a task, a split second can play a role. And if a special forces soldier in time pressure mode begins to think which module to use for a pistol, he can give odds to the enemy.

Representatives of special forces also note one more minus: the constant change of small arms modules ultimately requires special care for the gun, and depending on the type of weapon it can lead to an impact on the final accuracy and accuracy of fire.
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  1. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 24 2020 11: 26 New
    12
    The case when you can say: "These are not our problems!"
    1. Same lech
      Same lech April 24 2020 11: 30 New
      +7
      and depending on the version of the weapon, it can lead to an impact on the final accuracy and accuracy of fire.

      smile Famous scene ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 April 24 2020 11: 42 New
        +3
        perhaps the best moment in the movie good
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt April 24 2020 12: 34 New
        12
        This is modularity, the rest is just childhood. laughing
      3. Catfish
        Catfish April 24 2020 14: 53 New
        +2
        Thank you, Alex. hi For the sake of this video, it was worth opening the page. smile drinks
  2. Labrador
    Labrador April 24 2020 11: 26 New
    +4
    All this modularity for the civilian consumer. For the same specialists, not so much is needed: a muffler and aimed body kits.
  3. Alexga
    Alexga April 24 2020 11: 31 New
    0
    And who needs all this !?
  4. Galleon
    Galleon April 24 2020 11: 36 New
    +5
    In some ways, this article is similar to a recent article on convertiplanes. Yes, in the West there is a large market for civilian weapons, in some ways serious “toys” for adult children. They need modularity in the age of transformers. We do not have a civilian weapons market, our manufacturers do not need to fight for the consumer and make pistols attractive. Another world, other approaches. But why say that modularity is worse? First, catch up with those samples for reliability, for the resource of shots, and then argue that "modularity failed."
  5. Free wind
    Free wind April 24 2020 11: 39 New
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    Pancake!!!!! A toy, just a class.
  6. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock April 24 2020 11: 45 New
    -2
    In the west, the best gun is Glock-21, a caliber of 45ACP (11,43 mm), and a large magazine (13 rounds + 1 in the barrel).
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 24 2020 12: 24 New
      +8
      Somehow I shot from a 45 caliber ... From a Colt pistol.
      He so jumps in his hand, and such a roar ... for an amateur.
      In my opinion, such a caliber is excessive. Lugger 9 mm completely
      sufficient for all tasks.
      The same Glock under the luger. And 15 rounds of ammunition, and more precisely, and quieter.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish April 24 2020 14: 57 New
        +2
        I also tried 1911, I liked the weapon, it doesn’t especially jump, but it rattles quite tolerably. smile
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 24 2020 18: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Lugger 9 mm completely
        sufficient for all tasks.

        no, the best is .40SW (10 × 22).
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 24 2020 19: 13 New
          -1
          Below I wrote about my own experience of shooting from Glock-22.
          In general, I agree with the decision of the FBI to switch back to "Luger" 9mm. It is better to fire 10 rounds and hit 8-9 times (for the middle shooter) than 3-4. More targets will hit.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl April 25 2020 06: 05 New
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            Quote: 3danimal
            It is better to fire 10 rounds and hit 8-9 times (for the middle shooter) than 3-4. More targets will hit.
            It’s better to look from the other side: once you get from 10 - 8-9 times, you will report once for these 8-9 times. But for 1-2, or 6-7 will have to report on each.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal April 27 2020 10: 49 New
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              Are you talking about the superior stopping power of the .40S & W? It is not so significant, with one type of cartridges (FMJ, JHP), compared with a decrease in the probability of being hit.
              There is also exotic like rip smile
              1. Simargl
                Simargl April 27 2020 18: 53 New
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                Quote: 3danimal
                Are you talking about the superior stopping power of the .40S & W?
                No. I'm talking about misses.
                Suppose you had to shoot 100500 times to capture an evil villain. Missed 20 times, hit 100480 times. I have to write 21 pieces of paper.
      3. 3danimal
        3danimal April 24 2020 19: 12 New
        +1
        In Glok'e-17 (9mm) 17 + 1 rounds request
        He fired from Glock-22 (.40SW), after Luger - accuracy deteriorated, at large distances (20 meters and more) it was especially noticeable. The sound of the shot is louder, the toss is stronger, it is more difficult to control the weapon.
      4. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov April 24 2020 22: 39 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Somehow I shot from a 45 caliber ... From a Colt pistol.
        He so jumps in his hand, and such a roar ... for an amateur.
        In my opinion, such a caliber is excessive. Lugger 9 mm completely
        sufficient for all tasks.
        The same Glock under the luger. And 15 rounds of ammunition, and more precisely, and quieter.

        Of course, I’m not Stanislavsky, but I just like to say “I don’t believe!”. If you were shooting from 1911, you would feel, compared to 9x19, time-stretched, unsharp, and 9x19 recoil in strength. 1911 is very comfortable for shooting, some 9mm are much worse in this regard. The return of 1911 is very similar to the return of Stechkin. In general, 1911, especially in modern forms such as MEU (but not high-cap), a very comfortable, beautiful and reliable gun. Better in hand is not a single modern "plastic blaster", accuracy (if you take decent manufacturers, not Colt) and ergonomics are no worse than modern tactics. One problem is body armor. Only because of the penetration ability of 45 left the war for a civilian.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 24 2020 22: 44 New
          +1
          Colt1911 was a Spanish copy, LLAMA seems.
          And not mine, they gave me a shoot. I described my feelings of that time.
          1. Alexey Lobanov
            Alexey Lobanov April 25 2020 01: 21 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            Colt1911 was a Spanish copy, LLAMA seems.
            And not mine, they gave me a shoot. I described my feelings of that time.

            For a complete understanding of the realities of Russia, I’ll explain: the return of 1911 compared to 9x19 (for example Chzetka75) by analogy with the 12th caliber (it will be clear to hunters) as the return of the MP153 compared to the IL-27. :) It seems the same, but softer.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal April 24 2020 20: 27 New
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      If you look at the power of the cartridge and ballistics, it looks more profitable Glock-31 under .357sig.
      And the most adapted to comfortable and accurate shooting - Glock-17, under Luger.
      1. oldzek
        oldzek April 24 2020 22: 25 New
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        and why argue? anyway, the main module for any weapon is the owner’s head IMHO
      2. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov April 25 2020 00: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: 3danimal
        If you look at the power of the cartridge and ballistics, it looks more profitable Glock-31 under .357sig.
        And the most adapted to comfortable and accurate shooting - Glock-17, under Luger.

        Glock "for sure :)" is not suitable for accurate shooting. Nobody canceled the influence of self-platoon. And samovzvod at him after each shot. Sig 226, Chzet75, and to hell with her - even Beretta 92! All trigger guns are, by definition, more suitable for accurate shooting than glock.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 25 2020 10: 51 New
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          The effort on the descent is very insignificant (subjective), in terms of accuracy both Glock and Cz Viper were approximately the same.
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal April 27 2020 10: 54 New
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          I watched the animation of Glock17 automation and everywhere it is clear that the drummer automatically cockes after a shot.
        3. 3danimal
          3danimal April 27 2020 11: 05 New
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          Here is a detailed animation with comments.
          https://youtu.be/V2RDitgCaD0
        4. Simargl
          Simargl April 27 2020 18: 57 New
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          Quote: Alexey Lobanov
          And samovzvod at him after each shot.
          Glock doesn’t have a self-cocking (this is when a drummer or a cock is cocked when firing), but a hammer re-cocking after a half-cocking.
  7. novel66
    novel66 April 24 2020 11: 46 New
    +5
    and this is beret ??? shame on the jungle !!! where is the classics of forms ???

  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 24 2020 12: 29 New
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    The barrel is not changed during a military or police operation, but before it,
    when looms what needs to be done.
    And the entire special forces or police unit is still in the barracks, at the stage
    preparing equipment for the operation, changing trunks, setting sights or silencers.
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich April 24 2020 21: 13 New
      +1
      Maybe it’s easier for special forces to take the right weapon for an operation in a gun? - here hunters buy separately guns with trunks - a full choke, a weak choke, a paycheck, a weak paycheck or a cylinder ... a bell (trunks can be different on double-barreled shotguns). An ordinary policeman and a layman need the usual “non-replaceable barrels” to “tie” the barrel to the gun number. An example from life - a car of the same brand is sold with different engines (different in volume, diesel or gasoline), but the driver is not offered 1 (one) car and several engines to replace in addition.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl April 25 2020 06: 10 New
        0
        Quote: cat Rusich
        here hunters buy separately guns with trunks - full choke, weak choke, paycheck, weak paycheck or cylinder ... bell (trunks can be different on double-barreled guns (choke - paycheck))
        Fixes, probably in indecently expensive guns (I do not know - did not hold). In the "cheap" up to 300 000 p. - replaceable DS. There is a tip (you turn the puck and the narrowing changes).
  9. tlauicol
    tlauicol April 24 2020 12: 48 New
    +2
    The best modularity is a slingshot knife lol Arrows, darts, harpoons, balls of any caliber, nuts or just stones. Also cut or cut your nails repeat
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 24 2020 14: 59 New
      +1
      In the words of Vasya Ivanovich - "With a bare heel on a saber."? More precisely with a slingshot on a machine gun? smile
  10. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock April 24 2020 13: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Somehow I shot from a 45 caliber ... From a Colt pistol.
    He so jumps in his hand, and such a roar ... for an amateur.
    In my opinion, such a caliber is excessive. Lugger 9 mm completely
    sufficient for all tasks.
    The same Glock under the luger. And 15 rounds of ammunition, and more precisely, and quieter.

    Glock 21 is from the compensators above the barrel, when fired, the powder gases go up and stabilize the shooting.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal April 24 2020 20: 30 New
      +1
      These are all crutches that worsen the basic characteristics (reliability, for example).
      The story of a return to the 9mm Para is indicative.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 24 2020 22: 23 New
      0
      Yes. Glock is a cool car. I have a simple Sizetta CZ-2000.
      But I train a little, lazy. Therefore, I shoot lousy, to be honest.
      Here from the "panicle" M-16 I once shot very well.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal April 24 2020 23: 04 New
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        Cz is good good
        From the M-16 it is very comfortable to shoot, ergonomics, convenient for right-handed people / left-handed people /, good iron sight, weak recoil and toss.
        (I cannot say anything about the reliability of the latter; I used it only in a dash.)
    3. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov April 24 2020 22: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Somehow I shot from a 45 caliber ... From a Colt pistol.
      He so jumps in his hand, and such a roar ... for an amateur.
      In my opinion, such a caliber is excessive. Lugger 9 mm completely
      sufficient for all tasks.
      The same Glock under the luger. And 15 rounds of ammunition, and more precisely, and quieter.

      Glock 21 is from the compensators above the barrel, when fired, the powder gases go up and stabilize the shooting.

      Of course, you will later say that your photo accidentally was mistakenly inserted, but in your photo of the glock the “compensator” is simply divine! Just a question, what will he compensate there? Or does he have a trunk cut with slots at the end? :)))) Can you imagine the mechanism of the Glock shot?
  11. YOUR
    YOUR April 24 2020 14: 06 New
    +2
    Modular weapons, what is it and why is it needed and who needs it. In principle, AKM, RPK, AK74 RPK74 is an example of a modular weapon. Changed the trunks to get a machine gun, changed the trunks to get a multi-caliber weapon. This is just a cheapening of weapons, advertising gunsmiths. Change the barrel and get a carbine instead of a pistol. Who in combat will deal with this nonsense, like changing trunks, changing calibers, clinging to butt stocks, etc.
    Automatic and ammunition more solution to most problems, add grenades in general the ultimate dream. Ah, you need to solve problems in an indoor room, so that someone doesn’t get hurt there may be a bandit in the armor, but there is a problem, this is a city and people around, well, take guns with the appropriate cartridges.
    No one in combat will be involved in changing a module. will perform the task.
    The same with athletes shooters. Who really doesn’t need it. Rather, they will take several units of weapons for the competition.
    Well, an advanced amateur, yes, if there is money, he will be able to change it and carry cartridges with machines. And the manufacturer joyfully rub his hands
    1. Sniper Amateur
      Sniper Amateur April 24 2020 19: 06 New
      0
      Who in combat will deal with this nonsense, like a change of trunks

      Machine gun calculation for example. smile
      1. YOUR
        YOUR April 25 2020 03: 06 New
        +1
        Change of a heated barrel, to another to continue shooting, but not long, for a short one based on some considerations.
        But a plus sign from humor from me.
        1. Sniper Amateur
          Sniper Amateur April 25 2020 06: 27 New
          -3
          You from me too +. love
    2. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov April 25 2020 00: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: YOUR
      Modular weapons, what is it and why is it needed and who needs it. In principle, AKM, RPK, AK74 RPK74 is an example of a modular weapon. Changed the trunks to get a machine gun, changed the trunks to get a multi-caliber weapon. This is just a cheapening of weapons, advertising gunsmiths. Change the barrel and get a carbine instead of a pistol. Who in combat will deal with this nonsense, like changing trunks, changing calibers, clinging to butt stocks, etc.
      Automatic and ammunition more solution to most problems, add grenades in general the ultimate dream. Ah, you need to solve problems in an indoor room, so that someone doesn’t get hurt there may be a bandit in the armor, but there is a problem, this is a city and people around, well, take guns with the appropriate cartridges.
      No one in combat will be involved in changing a module. will perform the task.
      The same with athletes shooters. Who really doesn’t need it. Rather, they will take several units of weapons for the competition.
      Well, an advanced amateur, yes, if there is money, he will be able to change it and carry cartridges with machines. And the manufacturer joyfully rub his hands

      You very competently described! A huge plus to you !!! I agree, modularity is a commercial project, an excuse to pump out extra money from a buyer (a civilian weapon lover).
  12. smaug78
    smaug78 April 24 2020 14: 48 New
    0
    another nonsense from yellow TP authors
  13. awdrgy
    awdrgy April 24 2020 17: 13 New
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    What is good about modularity is the ability to fire ammunition of various calibers. This is relevant 1) in the absence of a stable supply of ammunition 2) as well as if it is not possible at the moment to get “well, these are exactly the cartridges” 3) and finally, the cost of the shot is the owner has the opportunity to choose 4) for solving various problems Naturally, consumers are special subdivisions and civilians. Moreover, in the second case, the question arises of the cost of such a barrel. It is possible to actually lower it without focusing on pistols but paying attention revolving
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich April 24 2020 21: 49 New
      0
      For a partisan detachment, it’s a modular weapon, with the possibility of changing ammunition, it will be limited in the rear of the enemy, the choice of ammunition is either your own or enemy. The “civilian owner” does not have an “urgent” need to choose which is cheaper, just the “civilian” has a low consumption of BC - a couple of clips for a year is enough. In the United States to "reduce the cost" of cartridges - reload spent cartridges from shooting galleries and sell again. Interchangeable barrel revolvers have been selling for a long time, for example Dan Wesson revolvers - calibres from .22LR to .460 Rowland.
  14. Sniper Amateur
    Sniper Amateur April 24 2020 19: 01 New
    -2
    For example, Beretta offers a semi-automatic pistol APX FDE (magazine for 17 rounds), which is positioned as a gun for the military and police units. It is reported that the gun can be positioned "under the mass operator."

    But with the "mass operator" in the case of using modular weapons, difficulties arise. If in the case of the Beretta APX FDE modularity does not provide for a change of caliber - it remains equal to 9 mm, then in many other cases such a change is provided for with the modularity option.

    In military circles, it is noted that this is unnecessary for mass deliveries.

    "mass operator" in the armies and police of the "First World" - this "little" is not what is considered a "mass operator" in the post-Soviet Union. private infantry John Doe - put half a dozen VUS to own.

    such small arms and will cost when purchased often at times more expensive than standard pistols and assault rifles

    This is generally easy. The master is the master! In the same States, there are towns where the marshal's aides are still armed with non-self-cocking revolvers and wooden police batons. And there are cities where the usual city police patrol is armed, equipped and equipped so that the Russian 1st Omsdon is bashfully smoking aside.

    The remaining "doubts and objections" of the author of the article are of the same "high level". no
  15. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 24 2020 21: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    The case when you can say: "These are not our problems!"

    you are very much right, and let our Kalash buy over the hill, etc., when their cool weapons jam
  16. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 24 2020 21: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: awdrgy
    What is good about modularity is the ability to fire ammunition of various calibers. This is relevant 1) in the absence of a stable supply of ammunition 2) as well as if it is not possible at the moment to get “well, these are exactly the cartridges” 3) and finally, the cost of the shot is the owner has the opportunity to choose 4) for solving various problems Naturally, consumers are special subdivisions and civilians. Moreover, in the second case, the question arises of the cost of such a barrel. It is possible to actually lower it without focusing on pistols but paying attention revolving

    in war there is no other principle as the universality of weapons in any conditions (water, fire, air, earth) !!! All the jokes of modularity rest, which was voiced about the specialists from the above, what follows.
  17. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 24 2020 21: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Somehow I shot from a 45 caliber ... From a Colt pistol.
    He so jumps in his hand, and such a roar ... for an amateur.
    In my opinion, such a caliber is excessive. Lugger 9 mm completely
    sufficient for all tasks.
    The same Glock under the luger. And 15 rounds of ammunition, and more precisely, and quieter.

    You know the purpose of the cartridges and their calibers, some have a stopping effect, while others have a killer effect. And do not forget the lethal force range!
  18. Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 24 2020 22: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: lvov_aleksey
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    The case when you can say: "These are not our problems!"

    you are very much right, and let our Kalash buy over the hill, etc., when their cool weapons jam

    I'm afraid that our Kalashi in all known caliber 5.45, 5.56, 308, 30-06 and + 12 caliber, all five will cost less than one Amerikosov modular Ar-15 or Heckler and Koch German.
  19. Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 24 2020 23: 08 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Colt1911 was a Spanish copy, LLAMA seems.
    And not mine, they gave me a shoot. I described my feelings of that time.

    Well, about using 1911 it’s very easy to check a person with one Tricky question -
    You removed the gun from the fuse before cocking the trigger (shutter)? :)))))
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 25 2020 12: 05 New
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      That's what I don’t remember after 25 years laughing
      My CZ-2000 has no fuse at all.
      M-16 cannot be cocked the first time if it is not on the fuse.
      And with a MAG machine gun - vice versa. But to the left should stick out
      fuse or right - kill, I don’t remember.
      And once in the nightmares it dreamed: "ahhh !!!! the machine gun doesn’t shoot."
  20. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock April 24 2020 23: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    Of course, you will later say that your photo accidentally was mistakenly inserted, but in your photo of the glock the “compensator” is simply divine! Just a question, what will he compensate there? Or does he have a trunk cut with slots at the end? :)))) Can you imagine the mechanism of the Glock shot?

    "Glock 21C - is equipped with a compensator consisting of two holes on the upper surface of the barrel not far from the muzzle and a slot in the shutter housing above these holes. The reactive force of the effluent from the holes of the powder gases reduces the barrel bounce under the influence of recoil."
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov April 24 2020 23: 36 New
      +1
      You are right, 21c is really with cutouts in the barrel and bolt! The only excuse for me is that you wrote in the post glock21, not 21s. I apologize!
  21. Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 25 2020 01: 32 New
    0
    I have a question for the author of the article! You first post there:
    https://weaponews.com/news/65362137-cons-modular-small-arms.html
    and then here? Or is it copy-paste?
  22. Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 26 2020 03: 29 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    M-16 cannot be cocked the first time if it is not on the fuse.

    In general, you answered the question about 1911, just the opposite! Why put it on the guard if the weapon is not cocked? :)
    M-16 company Colt. The principle has remained since 1911. :)))