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Hitler Youth at the end of the war: doomed with ersatz weapons

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Hitler Youth at the end of the war: doomed with ersatz weapons

Hitler Youth in Volkssturm (photo from Wikipedia)


The youth and children's Nazi organization created by the Third Reich ended its days with the monster that spawned it. And together with him until the last minutes she resisted the victorious soldiers of the Red Army, spilling their blood. It is impossible not to admit the obvious: the boys from the Hitler Youth just became one of the most persistent and fanatical defenders who pushed them to the death of the Nazi regime. Goebbels propaganda about "advancing hordes drinking blood" also played a role - all in that spirit.

What they went into their last and meaningless battle with is a topic for a separate discussion.

To begin with, we’ll make it clear: we’re not talking about the 12th tank SS division "Hitler Youth", really formed entirely from the pupils of this sinister organization and shed a lot of blood on our Western allies in Normandy and the Ardennes. Fighting, bastards, really desperate, but only in history entered more in connection with the mention of not military operations, but military crimes committed by its soldiers (such as executions of prisoners of war, torture and mockery of them). The equipment and armament of the tank units of the Third Reich has been written and so is more than enough, so that we will have a few more words.

In the SS, even at the end of the war, young men still fought, who were brainwashed as much as possible in the Hitler Youth and managed to teach military affairs pretty well. But in Volkssturm and other units of the Nazi people's militia in 1944, on the personal orders of the Führer, teenagers of 16 years old got into. By 1945, it came down to the children. According to completely trustworthy memories, besides confirmed by photographs and documents, there were plenty in the ranks of this “rati” and 12-year-old boys, perfect children. First of all, they were thrown completely unprepared into the battle against the Red Army rapidly advancing on Berlin. Well, and armed accordingly.

The Mauser 98K carbines, not to mention the MP-40 submachine guns and even more so the StG-44, which was a pretty good assault rifle for those times, were Hitler’s cannon fodder: standard arms were desperately lacking in parts of the Wehrmacht and SS, and so the troops of the "third grade" it was definitely not supposed. First things first, trophies went into business, but again, again, far from the best quality. Among such samples came from not only the First World War, but even during the Franco-Prussian War. Of course, there was a disaster with ammunition for all this diversity. They tried, for example, to fit Greek cartridges to Italian rifles. With a predictable result ...

Following this, the Germans, who were always great hunting lovers, began to seize smooth-bore shotguns, passing them again “to the troops”. A double-barreled shotgun against a PPSh, SVT or even a Mosin rifle - this, of course, was still a ratio. In this regard, craftsmen were found in the Reich who thought of shooting 12-caliber high-explosive rifle grenades fired from hunting “trunks”. Under approximately the same ammunition (which had an extremely low efficiency), some of the usual army rocket launchers were altered.

By the way, about grenades ... In 1945, when it became very tight with metal in “great Germany”, they began to sculpt them (in the most literal sense of the word) from ordinary concrete. First, the concrete head was attached to the usual “beater” with a long handle, and then they adopted the Volkshandgranate-45 (a folk grenade, and what do you think!) Without a handle at all. Before the use of these "cobblestones", which were produced by hundreds of thousands of pieces, the Wehrmacht eventually came. But for the guys from the Hitler Youth who did not have enough power to throw such heavy shells, they eventually created a ... paper grenade! That is really completely made of cardboard and stuffed with metal shavings. This was the “swan” song of the Third Reich in the field of hand grenades.

With rifle weapons, developed and produced solely to put it in the hands of the boys who were ready to die for the Fuhrer, the situation was exactly the same. Volkssturmgewehr VG.1 and Volkssturmgewehr VG.2 rifles, “self-loading carbines” Volkssturm-Mehrladegewehr, Volkssturmgewehr Gustloff and HIW VSK, “submachine guns like the MP-3008, which is quite a bit of a kind , far from brilliant British STEN ... All of these samples, which were not just bad, but terrifying quality, and the language does not turn out to be called a weapon. Natural ersatz, worthless. They were designed for one, maximum two fights - as, however, those to whom they were issued.

Except that anti-tank weapons, mainly in the form of Panzerfaust, known to us as “Faustpatron”, stood out quite generously from the Hitler Youth’s hounds. The explanation here is very simple - the boys who didn’t understand what they were doing, had no combat experience or training, climbed with them under our “thirty-four” in situations where experienced soldiers would save for sure, and simply would not take risks, realizing that there was no chance. Unfortunately, sometimes the small and brisk "young Nazis" managed to achieve their goal, cutting off the lives of our soldiers half a step before the Victory ...

The Hitler Youth is the eternal shame of German Nazism, the last rate of which in the war were foolish children with bad weapons in their hands.
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  1. knn54
    knn54 April 24 2020 08: 14 New
    +7
    Today, the Nazis are trying to bring to life, without experiencing any remorse.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 24 2020 08: 22 New
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      Quote: knn54
      Today, the Nazis are trying to bring to life, without experiencing any remorse.


      Hitler Youth - the eternal shame of German Nazism


      And in the "film masterpiece" "Bastards", they wanted to instill the burden of such an artificially cultivated shame in Russia ...

      And only not many strongly opposed such defamation of the history of the USSR and Russia. In particular, such a person was the director Stanislav Govorukhin, who pointedly and reasonably refused to give any prize there for a provocation film ...
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 April 24 2020 08: 31 New
        50
        It was MENSHOV who refused to hand over to * the bastards * the prize of some movie show there and publicly threw what they wanted to hand on the floor.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 24 2020 08: 36 New
          27
          Quote: Vasily50
          It was MENSHOV who refused to give the * bastards * the prize of a movie show there and publicly threw what they wanted to present on the floor.


          Yes, excuse me ... That's how fakes are born, by thoughtlessness fool recourse .

          I apologize to everyone ...
        2. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 April 24 2020 08: 42 New
          20
          Vasily50 (Dmitry)
          It was MENSHOV who refused to give the * bastards * the prize of a movie show there and publicly threw what they wanted to present on the floor.
          I did not know this case. My sincere respect to Vladimir Menshov, this is a MAN's action with a capital letter! But Karsko fell in my eyes, precisely after he starred in this shit movie.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 24 2020 09: 21 New
            +8
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            I did not know this case. My sincere respect to Vladimir Menshov, this is a MAN's action with a capital letter!

            Respect to Menshov.
        3. Basil50
          Basil50 April 24 2020 08: 42 New
          0
          Govorukhin ordinary weather vane.
          I remember his anguished * you can’t live like that * and then repentance.
          But he crowed, loudly, and then slowly * sorry *.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ April 24 2020 10: 13 New
            +5
            Yes, Govorukhinsky films "You Can't Live That Way", "The Great Criminal Revolution", "Solzhenitsyn" and "Russia We Lost" worked to destroy the country. And then he pretended that he had nothing to do with it.
        4. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 24 2020 14: 14 New
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          Quote: Vasily50
          It was MENSHOV who refused to hand over to * the bastards * the prize of some movie show there and publicly threw what they wanted to hand on the floor.

      2. APIS
        APIS April 24 2020 08: 34 New
        +6
        In particular, the director was such a person

        Vladimir Menshov
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny April 24 2020 09: 15 New
          21
          With wife Vera Alentova. They had to both hand in, he said, everything that he thought and both left the hall.
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      4. boris epstein
        boris epstein 3 May 2020 17: 49 New
        +1
        An intelligence school for children in Vitebsk really existed in 1941, but it was ABVERA school! The Germans organized it from the inmates of the Vitebsk orphanage. The idea of ​​the Germans ended in failure - out of 26 abandoned, 24 immediately appeared in the NKVD, two more hid, but did not carry out any tasks of the Abwehr. None of the children was punished. The other thing is bad: none of the authors of the film was punished. "Freedom" of self-expression, you see: "I am an artist, as I see it!"
    2. Same lech
      Same lech April 24 2020 08: 26 New
      +3
      In Ukraine, new Ukrainian youth are now being nurtured ... they are brainwashing the kids just like they did in Nazi Germany ... now the time has come belay what Hitler and Goebbels would say if they knew that Ukraine is now a battering ram against Russia.
      Young people have always been receptive to radical ideas and have always been cannon fodder for adventurers of all stripes.
      I'm afraid that Europe will again have to go through a bloody meat grinder.
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 24 2020 10: 15 New
      -4
      Quote: knn54
      Today, the Nazis are trying to bring to life

      involvement children in warfare is the indelible crime of Nazism.

      You can re-educate children, but there are no dead ...

      author -First, we’ll make it clear that we are not talking about the 12th SS Panzer Division "Hitler Youth", which is really formed entirely from the pupils of this sinister organization and who shed a lot of blood on our Western allies in Normandy and the Ardennes

      Yes, there’s nothing special to talk about - she didn’t differ much and was destroyed
      1. cost
        cost April 24 2020 15: 46 New
        +9
        Hitler Youth
        The Hitler Youth Organization was founded on 3-4 July 1926 in Weimar as a national socialist youth movement.
        Organized according to the military model and on the principle of “Youth directs youth,” the organization covered German youth aged 10 to 18 and was divided by age categories. Younger group: boys from 10 to 14 years old - “Deutsche Jungfolk” (“German Youth”); from 14 to 18 years - actually the Hitler Youth. Women's organization of the Hitler Youth: girls aged 10 to 14 years - "Jungmedelbund" ("Union of Girls"); from 14 to 18 years old - “The Bund Deutscher Medel” (“Union of German Girls”).
        The Hitler Youth was led by the Reichsjugendführer (or Reichsführer), who was appointed chairman of the NSDAP.
          Structure
        1. Partnerships
        Geographically corresponded to villages, streets, groups of apartment buildings
        They were headed by kameradschaftsführer cameras. Each of the partnerships consisted of 10 members.
        2. Balls
        Geographically consistent with cities, communities and counties,
        Headed by scarfs (scharführer). Each of the balls consisted of 4 partnerships (kameradschaft).
        3.friends
        Geographically corresponded to amts (districts.)
        Led by gefoglschaftsführer (gefoglschaftsführer). Each of the squads consisted of 4 balls.
        4. Strains
        Until 1938 - unterbann, until 1929 - a similar link was absent. Geographically consistent with urban areas, non-district cities, areas or small lands,
        Headed by the strainfuhrer (stammführer). Each of the strains consisted of 3-5 squads.
        5 baths
        Until 1929, from districts (bezirk) led by bezirksführer (territorial bezirksführer), territorially corresponded to urban areas or non-district cities with territories adjacent to them.
        Led by the bannführer. Each of the banns consisted of 4-6 strains.
        6. Territories
        Until 1932, the territories (gau), led by gauführers, geographically corresponded to provinces, lands, groups from the provinces and small lands
        Headed by gebetsführer. Each of the territories consisted of 20 banns.
        photo 1. Application for joining the 1938 Hitler Youth.

        photo 2. Certificate of a member of the Hitler Youth. 1938 year.
        1. Talgarets
          Talgarets April 26 2020 08: 04 New
          +3
          I think your comment is better than the article itself hi
          1. cost
            cost April 26 2020 08: 25 New
            +3
            Greetings, Michael hi
            Well, it’s not any better. An article about the agony of the Hitler Youth. And I just added that he actually was.
            Best regards
            Dmitriy
    4. Revolver
      Revolver April 25 2020 04: 24 New
      0
      And how did the Iranian ayatollahs send the boys through minefields and clouds of gas to machine guns to storm Iraqi positions? And from the weapon there was only a cheap stamped key with which, according to the Ayatollah, the heavenly gates were unlocked.
    5. RUSS
      RUSS April 25 2020 17: 23 New
      0
      Quote: knn54
      Today, the Nazis are trying to bring to life, without experiencing any remorse.

      Are you talking about Yunarmia?
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 24 2020 08: 16 New
    +1
    Unsuccessful photo for the article, his foreheads are healthy, not twelve-year-olds at all.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 24 2020 08: 26 New
      +3
      Here is closer to the meaning of the article.
      1. certero
        certero April 24 2020 08: 33 New
        0
        Some kind of wrong photo. As far as I remember, from the Faustpatron they shot holding him under the armpit
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 24 2020 08: 35 New
          +3
          Quote: certero
          As far as I remember, from the Faustpatron they shot holding him under the armpit
          Different ways, like different modifications.
        2. Avior
          Avior April 24 2020 09: 18 New
          +6
          There were small Faustpatron 30, and large Faustpatron 60
          In the photo it’s big, but from small it was shot from the armpit
          Other grenade shape
          1. certero
            certero April 24 2020 12: 48 New
            0
            I’m honestly I didn’t know about this. thank
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        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 24 2020 09: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: certero
          As far as I remember, from the Faustpatron they shot holding him under the armpit

          Could be so
      2. svp67
        svp67 April 24 2020 08: 56 New
        +9
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Here is closer to the meaning of the article.

        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 24 2020 09: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Here is closer to the meaning of the article.

          Well then, it's prettier.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 24 2020 09: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Well then, it's prettier.

            Yes, more beautiful and spectacular, but if you follow the link to YouTube, then in the newsreel there are a lot of shots of the time with the participation of the Hitler Youth in the agony of the Third Reich
          2. Avior
            Avior April 24 2020 11: 57 New
            +5
            Goebbels awards the 16-year-old member of the Hitler Youth Willy Hübner with the Iron Cross for the defense of Lauban, March 9, 1945

            Goebbels actually congratulates, here he is awarded

            He survived, wrote post-war memoirs.
            For propaganda purposes they awarded, the chronicle was filmed and so on.
            there were quite a few
            later Adik personally rewards (this is the bottom of Hitler’s last photo), Willy is already standing there with the Cross, the third on the right and the second on the right

            The 12.10.1932-year-old Volkssturm militia Alfred Czech (Alfred Czech; 13.06.2011/2/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), awarded the Iron Cross of the XNUMXnd class.

            A young native of Silesia was awarded for taking out 12 wounded soldiers in a cart from the front line. The award took place in the courtyard of the Imperial Chancellery in Berlin on March 23, 1945. This episode is well known for its newsreel and series of photographs. After the award ceremony, Alfred attended short-term training courses on the use of the Panzerfaust anti-tank grenade launcher and was sent to the front in the area of ​​the city of Freudenthal in the Sudetenland (now Bruntal in the Czech Republic). In mid-April, Alfred Cech was wounded in the lung and captured. He was held in a prisoner of war camp in Czechoslovakia until 1947. After his release, a fourteen-year-old teenager returned to his native village of Goldenau (Goldenau; now Zlattnik as part of Poland). Alfred's father, also mobilized in the Volkssturm, died in battles with the Red Army. Ethnic Germans after the war were actively ousted from Silesia, which became the territory of Poland. Widely replicated images in which Hitler was last seen alive, trembling on the cheek of young Alfred, fell into the hands of the Soviet occupation authorities. He was detained by the police, but after interrogation, Alfred was released. Nevertheless, Alfred remained in his native place despite discrimination, worked as a miner and even joined the Communist Party. But this was necessary in order to obtain permission from the Polish authorities to leave for Germany, where he emigrated in 1964. Alfred threw the iron cross that Hitler handed him before he was captured, but as an adult he bought another from a junkman. After emigration, he settled in the land of North Rhine-Westphalia, worked on a construction site, had 10 children and 20 grandchildren. In an interview, he admitted that he still kept that photograph with Hitler, about his participation in the war he said this: “As a little boy, I did not think very much, I just wanted to do something for my own. It did not seem to me that it was crazy to send children into battle. It was a war. ”

            https://waralbum.ru/345737/
            Notably children brainwashed then ... sad
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 24 2020 15: 58 New
              +3
              Quote: Avior
              Notably children brainwashed then ..

              There is nothing surprising. If adult uncles are washed clean, then children even more so. I have heard enough from "guest workers" that the ears fade, and the peasants are already over 50 years old.
            2. DDT
              DDT 12 May 2020 13: 55 New
              0
              [quote = Avior Notably children brainwashed then ... sad[/ Quote]
              In the sense of washed? Do you think a modern child will not take out the soldiers of his country? Especially the wounded? So he will get up and say to them in Morozov, - "Dad, you are a Nazi, I will not take you out as a bastard, die here." Or in Israel they put an Arab child helping their own people against the wall? And what, to shoot a child for this?
          3. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 26 May 2020 12: 00 New
            0
            Well, then in the ranks of all healthy foreheads. This is some son of a regiment, German Gavrosh. We, too, were like that. Separate boys who have lost all relatives and are eager for revenge are a common occurrence. In Germany, there were such - the Anglo-American bombing, you know ... This one is outfitted normally. But when they notice everyone in a row and throw them into a deliberately unique battle - this is another matter. On the left, it seems, Kaltenbrunner? Is this a genuine photo or a still from a movie?
    2. Same lech
      Same lech April 24 2020 08: 34 New
      +6
      Unsuccessful photo for the article, his foreheads are healthy, not twelve-year-olds at all.

      These are those who go ahead ... smile behind them one small fry spanks ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 24 2020 09: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        These are those who go ahead ..

        Looking at it hurts.
        1. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 26 May 2020 12: 05 New
          0
          Here they say below - do not touch this topic. Discussion of these posts is already closed. No, we will remain in ignorance.
      2. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 26 May 2020 12: 02 New
        0
        I haven’t read it here. Just the same words. To the second left in the first row, God forbid, about 12 years, or even less.
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  4. Amateur
    Amateur April 24 2020 08: 35 New
    +2
    Children in war are a special and absolutely controversial topic. Do not touch her.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech April 24 2020 08: 42 New
      -1
      Children in war are a special and absolutely controversial topic. Do not touch her.

      Here you go ... belay children are just the first victims of any war, and they must be protected from participation in any wars and from the war itself in the first place ... silence on this topic is unacceptable.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur April 24 2020 08: 48 New
        +1
        “War has no female face”

        Especially not childish. Children who are victims of war and children who are participants in the war are very different.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 24 2020 08: 54 New
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        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Here you are ... the children are the first victims of any war, and they must be protected from participation in any wars and from the war itself in the first place ... silence on this topic is unacceptable.

        And one must not be silent, and one must remember!
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor April 24 2020 09: 02 New
          +5
          + Vitya Korobkov, Volodya Dubinin and many others ..
      3. DDT
        DDT 12 May 2020 13: 58 New
        0
        Quote: The same Lech
        Children in war are a special and absolutely controversial topic. Do not touch her.

        Here you go ... belay children are just the first victims of any war, and they must be protected from participation in any wars and from the war itself in the first place ... silence on this topic is unacceptable.

        Yes it is. And us, Soviet children protected? And why, then, in my history lessons did I have brains about Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya and Vitaly Prutko? And so that I, in case of war, also tied up grenades and rushed under the tank. Smooth only on paper.
    2. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 April 24 2020 08: 49 New
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      Amateur (Victor)
      Children in war are a special and absolutely controversial topic. Do not touch her.
      Why is this not necessary?
      We have already forgotten in order who Marat Kazei, Alexander Chekalin, Volodya Dubinin, Vitya Cherevichkin, Zina Portnova, Lenya Golikov, Valya Kotik and many many others. And it’s time to remember. And then we begin to feel sorry for the Germans in Kolisurengoy, instead of remembering who actually called these Germans here and why ?!
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 April 24 2020 09: 36 New
        +5
        Our pioneer squad was named after Vali Kotik. I still remember.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 April 24 2020 10: 12 New
          +4
          I welcome you Ivan! And we have the name of Marat Kazei!
          1. Van 16
            Van 16 April 24 2020 11: 03 New
            +3
            My regards!
            Who walks amicably in a row?
            Pioneer our detachment! smile
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 April 24 2020 14: 48 New
              +3
              * Strong, bold
              dexterous, skillful.
              You walk keep up
              sing a song out loud! *
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 25 2020 07: 51 New
        0
        There were stories on the pages of VO SOFFY MILYUTINSKOY about the children of the USSR during the Second World War. About their struggle against the Nazis. I advise everyone very much, recently there was her article, look at the profile
        She also talked about the fact that in her hometown of Lipetsk, when there was an IMMORTAL regiment, they carried portraits of the Pioneer Heroes. After all, they often have no descendants or relatives left.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 24 2020 09: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: Amateur
      Children in war are a special and absolutely controversial topic. Do not touch her.

      Children in the war, as much as we want, but it was and still is. There were "Khmer Rouge", and how many 12-15 year old "little soldiers" were and are throughout Africa, and even their adult soldiers are afraid of them. Children have no sense of life, they kill without hesitation, not realizing what they are doing. This is what "adult uncles" use. I've seen enough of them in Africa.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 25 2020 07: 55 New
        0
        A few years ago there was a great good article by Ilya Polonsky about children in the armies of different countries.
  5. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya April 24 2020 08: 40 New
    +9
    Yeah! To such a "bloody Stalinist regime" even near Moscow in the USSR did not sink. But liberals and filmmakers like Mikhalkov are turning everything the other way around, and screaming that it was the Red Army men who fled into the attack with one rifle for two, or even more trenchant, with shovel handles. For some reason, no liberalist is outraged by the cannibalistic decision of the Hitlerite leadership to let practically unarmed and untrained children die to certain death.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 24 2020 09: 02 New
      +6
      Mikhalkov changed his shoes for a long time. This talent cannot be taken away from him! )))
    2. Gileada
      Gileada April 24 2020 09: 10 New
      -6
      When the Germans stood near Moscow in the USSR, the human reserves were not exhausted, at that time the children did not fight the Germans. Any country with a highly motivated population in the last moments of the war will fight with children, unconsciously and desperately. And I would not make stupid youngsters out of children who did not understand what they were going for, it was their choice and their revenge.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya April 24 2020 09: 43 New
        10
        That is, you acknowledge that the Germans suffered heavy losses on the Eastern Front, that there was no 1: 4 ratio, or even 1:10 loss of the Germans and Soviet soldiers?
        And I would not make stupid youngsters out of children who did not understand what they were going for, it was their choice and their revenge.
        Revenge for what? Did Soviet soldiers attack Germany? Did Soviet soldiers kill the peaceful German population, starve them and take them out to the USSR for slave labor? Did Soviet people kill millions of Germans in concentration camps and death camps? Another horse?
        1. Gileada
          Gileada April 24 2020 10: 19 New
          -12
          Do you think that German cities themselves were destroyed and nobody bombed them and none of the civilians died? Most of these children were orphans who lost their home and relatives and they certainly did not care about politics and the search for the deepest causes of war.
          The logic is simple as two pennies: there was a raid by enemy aircraft, my house was destroyed, my relatives were killed. I will go for revenge, since I have nothing more to lose.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya April 24 2020 10: 26 New
            +9
            Again you are engaged in demagogy. Why should a German orphan take revenge on Soviet soldiers? Was the USSR killed by carpet bombing of his relatives?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 24 2020 14: 31 New
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              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              Again you are engaged in demagogy. Why should a German orphan take revenge on Soviet soldiers? Was the USSR killed by carpet bombing of his relatives?

              He could take revenge yes , for what he himself did not understand, for the fact that Nazi propaganda hammered into his head ...
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 24 2020 14: 28 New
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            Quote: Gileada
            Do you think that German cities themselves were destroyed and nobody bombed them and none of the civilians died?

            Tell me, which countries of the anti-Hitler coalition have introduced the practice of "carpet bombing" of German cities?
            Remind me, when more civilians of Königsberg died during the storming of the citadel city, or during air strikes by British aircraft?
            1. Gileada
              Gileada April 24 2020 14: 42 New
              -6
              Am I a reference service and a historian all rolled into one? And in general, why are you asking me this? I didn’t seem to raise the topic of the search for the perpetrators of the bombing and did not keep statistics of losses of 40-45 years. The conversation was about children, their motivation and a little about propaganda.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent April 24 2020 14: 46 New
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                Quote: Gileada
                Am I a reference service and a historian all rolled into one?

                Your answer quite justified the fact that you deservedly without shoulder straps ...
                1. Gileada
                  Gileada April 24 2020 16: 11 New
                  0
                  I go to this site for information and opinions to broaden my horizons, but certainly not for the sake of pixel epaulets and likes.

                  If you wish, it is easy to get epaulettes here, it is enough to show jingoistic patriotism in every topic, a pinch of hatred for "non-brothers", Jews and the decaying West, admire our unparalleled weapons and huskies will fly from all sides.
      2. bubalik
        bubalik April 24 2020 10: 10 New
        -1
        Any country with a highly motivated population in the last moments of the war will fight with children, unconsciously and desperately
        ,,, each coin has two sides, and one day everything may turn over.
    3. DDT
      DDT 12 May 2020 14: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Yeah! To such a "bloody Stalinist regime" even near Moscow in the USSR did not sink. But liberals and filmmakers like Mikhalkov are turning everything the other way around, and screaming that it was the Red Army men who fled into the attack with one rifle for two, or even more trenchant, with shovel handles. For some reason, no liberalist is outraged by the cannibalistic decision of the Hitlerite leadership to let practically unarmed and untrained children die to certain death.

      C'mon, everyone's stigma down. That's why it is war, that the winners write what they want, and the losers looking at the floor assent. Another thing is why such a screech was raised by all these reviewers of history now? Why not 20 years ago? Why not in 15 years? Nobody can clearly explain this ...
  6. mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer April 24 2020 08: 58 New
    +7
    I didn’t understand what the article was about.
    About the Hitler Youth ...
    About ersatz weapons ...
    Each topic individually is very interesting, but the author threw a heap of obvious common words.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 24 2020 10: 02 New
      +3
      Not an article, but a set of words for reporting. It's time to learn how to distinguish ...
      1. mr.ZinGer
        mr.ZinGer April 24 2020 11: 12 New
        +2
        Then you need to introduce a new term, here with the name of the hack, did not come up with. But I like your train of thought.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins April 24 2020 11: 39 New
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          To come up with a name is not a problem. At least:
          "Working off".
          This is the process of pouring letters on paper and a substance that is not suitable for use (by analogy with used engine oil).
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            1. Kot_Kuzya
              Kot_Kuzya April 24 2020 10: 51 New
              +5
              Bravo! That is, according to the modern rewritten history of the USSR, on par with the allies, is to blame for the strategic bombing of German cities, where millions of German civilians died? In about 20 years you will probably already write that it was the USSR that carried out carpet bombing and that the firestorms in Hamburg and Dresden were the result of "barbaric bombings" by Soviet aviation. You are already writing in all seriousness about "two million raped German women by Soviet soldiers," although it was exactly the opposite: for the rape of a Soviet soldier they were shot in the court of the Soviet tribunal, but the American and British soldiers were not subject to jurisdiction, and they did not have anything for rape of German women It was. So to speak, a purely German approach of non-jurisdiction. Looks like it's written in their genes. I hope you know that the British are the closest relatives of the Germans - only one and a half thousand years ago they were a single people, and the modern British are the descendants of the north-western Germanic tribes who moved to Britain? The kinship between them is roughly the same as between Russians and Poles - fifteen hundred years ago, Russians and Poles were also one people.
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                1. Kot_Kuzya
                  Kot_Kuzya April 24 2020 11: 46 New
                  +5
                  Download further, nebrat! But for me, a larger brother Tuvin or Yakut than Bendera! Download the right course, brothers!
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              2. Corundum
                Corundum April 24 2020 12: 16 New
                -12
                Well, for example, the USSR has examples of its barbaric deeds. (Examples to cite?) But this is not the main thing. Have you decided to defend the fascists? If you in those days you would have sacrificed your own to defend even the peaceful population of the enemy? Just here you are and trying to rewrite the story.
                That war was for survival. And if the ally did not hammer the enemies of the USSR on all fronts by all possible methods, then it is possible neither the USSR nor you would have been in 1945.
                Maybe Hiroshima and Nagasaki feel sorry for you? But do you feel sorry for the Chinese whom the Japanese slaughtered in millions?
            2. Avior
              Avior April 24 2020 13: 38 New
              -5
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/Бомбардировки_Хельсинки
              The massive bombardment at night from February 6 to 7, 1944 ...
              The first bombardment was the most destructive. The first bombs fell at 19.23. About 350 bombs fell in the center area and about 2500 around Helsinki. In total, including the bombs dropped into the sea, there were about 6990 bombs. About 730 bombers took part in the raid, the bombs were dropped in two waves: February 6, 18: 51-21: 40 and February 7, 00: 57-04: 57 .....

              The second massive bombardment on the night of February 16-17 ...
              Another important change compared with the first raid was that most of the population voluntarily left the city, the remaining were ready to defend themselves. This is noticeable in losses. Additionally, on Vuosaari with the approach of enemy aircraft, it was possible to light many bonfires. This created the impression that the burning city is located to the east than in reality. The illusion was reinforced by the fact that the spotlights in the western part of the city were not turned on, and a false Pommi battery (bomb) was placed on Vuosaari, which shot very often. As a result, many bombers bombed a desert area, dropping bombs into the forest ....
              There were 383 bombers on the second night, 4317 bombs were dropped on Helsinki, the suburbs and the sea. About a hundred fell into the city.

              The third massive bombardment on the night of February 26-27 ... This time, 896 bombers bombed 5182 bombs in Helsinki. Only 290 fell on the city itself

              hi
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya April 24 2020 18: 05 New
                +5
                The Finns still need to be asked for the million dead Leningraders during the blockade. Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten.
                1. Avior
                  Avior April 24 2020 20: 04 New
                  +1
                  The fact that the Finns were allies of the Germans is understandable, but I’m talking about something else, since during the Second World War the bombing of cities with the aim of forcing the enemy to surrender was not a crime, it was a method of warfare that was unambiguously described in the Hague Convention, the same as others, absolutely legal


                  Article 25

                  It is forbidden to attack or bombard in any way unprotected cities, villages, dwellings or buildings.

                  Article 26

                  The head of the attacking forces, before embarking on a bombardment, with the exception of cases of open force attacks, must do everything in his power to warn the authorities about this.

                  Article 27

                  During sieges and bombings, all necessary measures must be taken to spare, as far as possible, temples, buildings serving the purposes of science, arts and charity, historical monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, under the condition that such buildings and places did not serve military purposes at the same time.

                  The besieged are obligated to designate these buildings and places with special visible signs, of which the besiegers must be informed in advance ...





                  Such bombing was prohibited only by the damn Geneva Convention, the Geneva Convention for the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, in 1949, and came into force in 1950.
                  No one will stand on ceremony with an adversary unless prohibited by law.
                2. Corundum
                  Corundum April 24 2020 22: 49 New
                  -7
                  Helsinki bombing was before the blockade of Leningrad. So when the USSR made Finland a future enemy for itself, it was necessary to think (Finland was neutral) about Leningrad)))) By the way, the Finns of Leningrad did not shell and did not make any attempts to attack him.
                  1. Kot_Kuzya
                    Kot_Kuzya April 24 2020 23: 22 New
                    +1
                    You are either a fool or a scoundrel. Although what else to expect from the pan?
                    . By the way, the Finns of Leningrad did not shell and did not make any attempts to attack him.
                    Yes, they made no attempt to attack at all, that they reached the borders of Leningrad right from Vyborg and cut off the city from the north, as a result of which Leningrad was in a blockade and a million Leningrad residents died of starvation. You are there really zombies. No wonder you put the pan on yourself and gallop like a savage. Although what am I talking about? You are savages.
                3. DDT
                  DDT 12 May 2020 14: 08 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                  The Finns still need to be asked for the million dead Leningraders during the blockade. Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten.

                  Who to ask dear? From the children and grandchildren of those who bombed? Those who shot, killed and raped? How are you with your brains? And then let's ask the descendants of the Russian Cossacks for Siberia, Central Asia and the Caucasus. Let's ask the Mongols for Genghis Khan. Let's ask everyone. You should take it easy on the "plus signs on the site" to comment and think before you write. The questioner.
                  1. Kot_Kuzya
                    Kot_Kuzya 12 May 2020 19: 40 New
                    0
                    The pan does not shake much, dear? Who are you skipping for? For playing the piano on the piano? Of course, I understand that you have supposedly democracy there, but choosing a clown as president is a very dubious choice.
  8. Avior
    Avior April 24 2020 09: 14 New
    -3
    . "Submachine guns" like the MP-3008,

    From a technical point of view, the Germans to organize large-scale production of such, very cheap and quite suitable for participation in urban battles PP, was not very difficult.
    Only this attention was not paid.
    A couple of carbines, faustpatrons and such detachments per squad, corporal commander with experience in fighting, and such groups would drink a lot of blood in urban battles, and noticeably slow down the time for the capture of Berlin.
    This would have been the right Volkssturm application for the Germans, and this had to be prepared in advance, in the form of reservists with minimal training.
    It is clear that this would not have saved the Germans from defeat, the situation was obvious, they had lost the war purely, but if they were going to fight to the end, they had to prepare such ersatz troops in advance, provide for them a suitable scope, and not put them in all holes at the last moment.
    And Hitler until the very last moment portrayed before the people that here is a little more and everything will change, and there will be no loss.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 24 2020 11: 45 New
      +3
      So it was like that.

      They released about 10. Especially for the Volkssturm.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 24 2020 12: 44 New
        +1
        10000- drop in the sea
        MP3008 was made exactly as cheap as possible, just for mass production
    2. DDT
      DDT 12 May 2020 14: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      . "Submachine guns" like the MP-3008,

      From a technical point of view, the Germans to organize large-scale production of such, very cheap and quite suitable for participation in urban battles PP, was not very difficult.
      Only this attention was not paid.
      A couple of carbines, faustpatrons and such detachments per squad, corporal commander with experience in fighting, and such groups would drink a lot of blood in urban battles, and noticeably slow down the time for the capture of Berlin.
      This would have been the right Volkssturm application for the Germans, and this had to be prepared in advance, in the form of reservists with minimal training.
      It is clear that this would not have saved the Germans from defeat, the situation was obvious, they had lost the war purely, but if they were going to fight to the end, they had to prepare such ersatz troops in advance, provide for them a suitable scope, and not put them in all holes at the last moment.
      And Hitler until the very last moment portrayed before the people that here is a little more and everything will change, and there will be no loss.

      And from an ethical point of view, the German and Japanese command should have simply surrendered in order to prevent civilian casualties. And do not sit in bunkers and argue on the topic that such a people say they are not worthy to live in the beautiful paradise thickets painted by the Fuhrer and godlike emperors.
  9. hohol95
    hohol95 April 24 2020 09: 25 New
    +5
    The author did not bother to photograph weapons for German militias.
    Therefore, it is worth reading the article "" One rifle for three ": the people's militia and the Volkssturm" on VO dated June 28, 2017.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 24 2020 09: 55 New
      +5
      Alexey, hi. hi I did it for the author. smile
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku April 24 2020 10: 46 New
        +9
        Alexey, hi. hi I did it for the author.

        colleagues, unfortunately, your comments are much more informative than the article ... This material is more likely journalism, but not history. hi my personal opinion, with respect hi
        1. Catfish
          Catfish April 24 2020 10: 58 New
          +5
          Hello dear! fellow
          This is how to understand why with regret? And whose material is more relevant to what? request
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku April 24 2020 11: 01 New
            +4
            This is how to understand why with regret? And whose material is more relevant to what?

            I did not see any specifics in the article. By formations, numbers, etc. On weapons, you and Alexey gave information - where is the visibility in the article?
            We have: common phrases with a common outline. All. hi
            1. Catfish
              Catfish April 24 2020 11: 06 New
              +7
              Aaaaaaaaaaaa, but I thought it was a sinful thing that this was a run over me and Alexei. So I thought: for what? Well, if so, tady okay. smile drinks
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku April 24 2020 11: 16 New
                +5
                Aaaaaaaaaaaa, but I thought it was a sinful thing that this was a run over me and Alexei.

                what for you? belay If you want to learn how to understand weapons, you need to communicate with both of them! Your comments are always priced and informative. drinks
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 April 24 2020 12: 43 New
                  +5
                  Aaaaaaaaa! Here
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  you both need to communicate!

                  You, Nicholas to the point! Sniper! laughing hi
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku April 24 2020 12: 48 New
                    +4
                    You, Nicholas to the point! Sniper!

                    You flatter me, Sergey, but Fontenoy was with you to remember - it is a pleasure.good
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 April 24 2020 12: 56 New
                      +4
                      2016 year !!!!! laughing laughing laughing
                2. hohol95
                  hohol95 April 24 2020 13: 01 New
                  +3
                  My comment from 2017 is
                  For example, the Volkssturm battalion in Cologne was armed like this:
                  1st company - 8 Italian rifles for 80 fighters;
                  2nd company - Belgian rifles without cartridges, revolvers and pistols of the late XNUMXth century;
                  3rd company - Danish rifles with 6-9 rounds per barrel;
                  The 4th company - French carbines of the sample of 1886 and Italian rifles without cartridges.
                  Well-armed units of Volkssturm defended the town of Rominter Heide, the hunting grounds of Goering, by order of which these battalions were armed from Luftwaffe's own reserve.

                  Thanks to Pana for the nice words, but I'm just a simple couch! drinks
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku April 24 2020 13: 09 New
                    +4
                    Thanks to Pana for the nice words, but I'm just a simple couch!

                    on the other hand, there is more knowledge than some "historians".
                    1. hohol95
                      hohol95 April 24 2020 13: 16 New
                      +3
                      drinks For your health! But sometimes I am far from the "historians".
                      Yes, and practical experience is complete zero.
  10. Free wind
    Free wind April 24 2020 09: 32 New
    +1
    To be honest, I’m looking at this unit, constantly advertised on television, then ... It seems to me that they are being turned into a Volkssturm, and in a very real sense.
  11. Catfish
    Catfish April 24 2020 09: 34 New
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    A little on the weapon of Volkssturm.
    Volkssturmgewehr VG.1 rifle
    The VG 2 was a magazine rifle with features and a device similar to the Volkssturmgewehr VG.1
    The VK-98 carbine was produced, which was a significantly simplified version of the Mauser 98k carbine.
    Folksavtomat MP-3008

    Quality, of course, makes a lasting impression.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 24 2020 09: 51 New
      12
      There is something else on the same topic.
      The original designation of Volkssturmgewehr Gustloff was MP 507, the designation VG.1-5 indicated by some authors is incorrect. For firing, the so-called “intermediate” 7,92x33 rounds for the Stg.44 assault rifle and detachable horn stores for it were used. The carbine is self-loading, without the ability to conduct automatic fire.
      "Volkshandgranate-45"
      Figure cardboard version of the Volkshandgranate-45.

      This is still lucky ...
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 April 24 2020 10: 32 New
        +7
        Good morning Konstantin! hi
        Thanks for adding photos to the article.
        But it was always interesting for me where all the stocks of small arms, ammunition and grenades that they had seized in Europe got to the German. By the end of the war, it turned out that they had neither weapons nor ammunition for it!
        1. Catfish
          Catfish April 24 2020 10: 43 New
          +7
          Aleksey, so war is the same meat grinder, it not only grinds people. And they themselves "gave" a lot of things, there are still a lot of captured weapons in the warehouses, although after the war they drove them to the aid of all "friends from the national liberation movement." And the Allied aviation, no matter what they say, did a good job at industrial facilities. As a result, it became a problem for them to provide normal troops with decent weapons. smile
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 April 24 2020 12: 55 New
            +4
            It is clear that the Red Army took many trophies.
            But that was already starting in 1944.
            Yes, and aviation could not destroy all the warehouses of France, Denmark or Austria.
            Or the Germans simply did not want to show everyone the widespread use of captured weapons and ammunition!
            So the weapon deteriorated and the ammunition was used up.
            But this is for the best!
            The Germans had only problems with weapons and ammunition!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish April 24 2020 13: 32 New
              +6
              The Germans had only problems with weapons and ammunition!

              But this is just the most important thing!
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 April 24 2020 15: 46 New
                +5
                Totally agree with you!
                Books from the "Military Chronicle" series are better suited for this topic. There were books about the battles in the territory of the Third Reich with the title "The Elite Forces of the Reich". Good illustrations, lots of photos. The forces from the SS to the battalions of sailors transferred to the infantry are described. From Volkssturm to units formed from employees of the AHR, SA and others.
            2. vladcub
              vladcub April 25 2020 11: 37 New
              +1
              hohol,: "they did not want to show everyone the widespread use of captured weapons", which are shy: they rolled them out on Czechoslovak tanks (the author somehow happened that in 1941 the Wehrmacht was the target on Czech tanks), and were they shy about small arms? So much so that the jaeger units were armed with SVT rifles, various auxiliary units also used SVT.
              The elite part of the SS armed PPS.
              Here it’s rather different: at the beginning of the war they used their weapons: repairs and ammunition were easier, and they kept the trophy in stock.
              I heard from the front-line soldiers: at the front line, many soldiers and officers had, as a second weapon, German pistols.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 April 25 2020 22: 28 New
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                ... what shy: rolled out on Czechoslovak tanks

                Of the two models of Czech tanks, only Pz.35 (t) can be called trophy! The second Pz.38 (t) machine was massively built only for the Wehrmacht armored forces and in fact they were no longer trophies.
                The elite part of the SS armed PPS.

                The whole part? Interesting.
                Here it’s more likely different: at the beginning of the war they used their weapons: repairing and providing ammunition is simpler, and the trophy was kept in the warehouse.

                The question is precisely why these warehouses were empty by the end of the war.
                France had already been liberated and apparently all the French trophies remained there. In the warehouses.
                I heard from the front-line soldiers: at the front line, many soldiers and officers had, as a second weapon, German pistols.

                Partisan stories included such episodes -
                several policemen came into the squad to surrender with weapons. And the weapons are French rifles with a dozen rounds. The weapon is beautiful, but there is no ammunition for it. We buried them in the ground !!!

                Perhaps the Germans themselves pulled their trophy stockpiles in a similar way!
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub April 26 2020 13: 27 New
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                  "whole part?" The SS parade was often shown on TV and they are armed with PPP. Information that it was PPP who were in the SS quite often. In my opinion, I read on the website that the newly formed division received PPS. Logically explainable: it is easier to provide ammunition and repairs. As for the latter, in January-February 1945, I doubt they had no time for repairs. A whole part than a separate company
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 April 26 2020 13: 40 New
                    0
                    In my opinion, I also read on the site that the newly formed division received the faculty. Logically understandable: it is easier to provide ammunition and repair.

                    enlighten me then on the following question:
                    Why did the factories of the Third Reich remake captured PPSh for their 9 mm cartridge and the possibility of using regular stores from their MP-38/40? After all, they have taken so much from us all ...
    2. Avior
      Avior April 24 2020 09: 57 New
      +1
      About the quality in the last picture
      PP, and so it was extremely cheap, it was only necessary to do slightly raise the price and establish normal quality, it would still be the cheapest weapon
      But there was no request from above.
      The ersatz weapon didn’t shine with its characteristics, but for an unprepared Volkssturmist it wasn’t important - anyway, he couldn’t fight at long distances, when it manifested itself
      1. Catfish
        Catfish April 24 2020 10: 50 New
        +8
        Well, in our country, in besieged Leningrad, weapons were fired in terrible conditions, but they did not look like such a nightmare as MP3008.

        On the left is PPS-42, on the right is PPS-43.
        1. Avior
          Avior April 24 2020 12: 28 New
          +3
          they didn’t do it for the Volkssturm, but for the crews of armored vehicles, first of all, in the factory, at the specialized Sestroretsk arms factory, and there were more opportunities in Leningrad, the tanks did there, not like the PP.
          and the Germans did this miracle at the last moment, including in various workshops
          It is reported that more than 30 suppliers participated in the production of parts, and 14 companies in the assembly. As the last great hope for the army and the people of Volkssturm, on November 15, 1944, the field inspector ordered 1 million units of this weapon with a monthly delivery of 250 pieces. According to American studies, a maximum of about 000 pieces were collected. It is unclear how many of them even reached Volkssturm before the Allies seized production facilities.

          This is a machine translation from German Wikipedia.
          the quality swam a lot, it was better than what is in the photo.
          the Germans really had to have such cheap PP in advance just in case, in the war, of course, stocks were not taken, they were consumed, on the contrary, but here is the case that could be taken care of, especially since the weapons are for folklore did a lot
          up to ersatz machine guns

          https://web.archive.org/web/20110812205745/http://bratishka.ru/archiv/2006/11/2006_11_16.php
          The MP3008 was the cheapest and most obvious option for just such a case.

          hi
        2. vladcub
          vladcub April 26 2020 13: 39 New
          +1
          Konstantin, a pistol was developed in Leningrad to replace the TT-"Varyag" with 8 rounds of TT (however, in the Soviet Union they DIDN'T KNOW multi-charge pistols). In total, about 30 (?) Copies were made, a few were sent to Moscow, and the rest went to the front. Now there is only 1 copy left.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish April 26 2020 16: 18 New
            +2
            Slava, maybe you mean "Baltiets"?

            "Varyag" MP-445 is a relatively modern pistol.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub April 26 2020 16: 47 New
              +1
              On TV, the announcer named him Varyag. ... Then, somewhere I met the name: "Baltiets", but how in kind?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish April 26 2020 16: 59 New
                +2
                Well, the announcer will tell you ... What a demand for a parrot. This is "Baltiets", there was no other.
          2. hohol95
            hohol95 April 26 2020 19: 55 New
            0
            however in the Soviet Union did not know multi-shot pistols

            According to your words, it turns out that in the USSR the produced pistols and revolver were ONE-CHARGED!
            Let me be curious - besides the revolver Enfield No. 2 ", what personal weapons did the British officer receive?
            What multi-shot pistols were produced in GB?
            1. vladcub
              vladcub April 27 2020 15: 28 New
              0
              hobol, you are right: it would be more accurate to say: "pistols with a magazine of more than 8 rounds, they did not know in the Soviet Union"
              2) the officers of the British army and navy had pistols: Vebley and Scott 9D (9mm with an increased charge, such as a Mauser) store for 8 rounds, weight 900g, American Colt, but the caliber of the English system was 455. Actually American 45, but maybe 10 mm difference
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 April 27 2020 16: 51 New
                0
                Webble and Scot 9D

                You accidentally wrote about this family

                Technical characteristics of pistols Webley & Scott
                1905
                Caliber: 7,65mm Browning (7,65 × 16)
                Weapon length: 159 mm
                Barrel length: 89 mm
                Empty weight: 580 g
                Store capacity: 8 cartridges
                1906
                Caliber: 6,35mm Browning (6,35 × 16)
                Weapon length: 120 mm
                Barrel length: 54 mm
                Empty weight: 340 g
                Store capacity: 6 cartridges
                1909
                Caliber: 9mm Browning Long (9 × 20)
                Weapon length: 203 mm
                Barrel length: 140 mm
                Empty weight: 985 g
                Store capacity: 8 cartridges
                1910
                Caliber: .38 ACP (9 × 23)
                Weapon length: 203 mm
                Barrel length: 127 mm
                Empty weight: 990 g
                Store capacity: 8 cartridges
                Mk. I Navy / 1915 Mark I No. 2
                Caliber: .455 Webley (11,43 × 23)
                Weapon length: 203 mm
                Barrel length: 127 mm
                Empty weight: 990 g
                Store capacity: 7 cartridges
                The Webley & Scott Mark I pistols were powerful, durable and reliable weapons with good firing accuracy. However, despite their great power and accuracy, they were not very popular, since their mechanism was very sensitive to dust and dirt and easily jammed. Another drawback was the right angle handle.

                So the Colts and the Red Army used. They said the pilots of long-range bomber aircraft were!
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub April 27 2020 20: 36 New
                  0
                  Yes. You have unearthed more detailed information.
                  As for the Long-Range Aviation, what the pilots were armed with, I do not know.
                  Pistol TT- "cousin" ColtM1911
                2. vladcub
                  vladcub April 27 2020 20: 45 New
                  0
                  I would not want to carry Mark1 number 2: kilo weight and 7 rounds and not the most convenient.
                  Luger and Walter are more convenient.
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 April 27 2020 21: 37 New
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                    M1911A1
                    Weight, kg 1,12
                    Length, mm 216
                    Barrel length, mm 127
                    Width, mm 30
                    Height, mm 135
                    Cartridge .45 ACP
                    Caliber, mm .45 ACP (11,43 × 23 mm)
                    Type of ammunition store for 7 rounds (standard M 1911), also at 8 (up to 10).
                    Weighty, but probably more convenient for the owner.
                    I would not want to carry Mark1 number 2: kilo weight and 7 rounds and not the most convenient.

                    Then you would refuse the Spanish "Mauser" Astra 902/903 with a capacity of 20 rounds!
                    1. vladcub
                      vladcub April 28 2020 12: 04 New
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                      I know little about him.
    3. mr.ZinGer
      mr.ZinGer April 24 2020 11: 21 New
      +4
      I would also mention He 162 Volksjäger, he is also from this series
      1. Catfish
        Catfish April 24 2020 11: 26 New
        +5
        I somehow doubt very much that the guys from the Hitler Youth could exploit this shit. request
        1. mr.ZinGer
          mr.ZinGer April 24 2020 11: 54 New
          +4
          Reading about this device, I often met a mention that it was intended for students of glider schools, a cheap aircraft for mass use.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish April 24 2020 11: 59 New
            +5
            With a jet engine? Well ... which only in life does not happen. Although the Nazis did not think of such a thing.
          2. mr.ZinGer
            mr.ZinGer April 24 2020 12: 03 New
            +5
            Literal translation Volksjäger-folk hunter
    4. hohol95
      hohol95 April 24 2020 16: 27 New
      +2
      We must also remember about the "retraining" of aircraft machine guns in hand and easel. MG-15/17/81 received butts and bipods. Large-caliber machines were put on machines.
      If we reworked PV-1 into easel ones, then I think it was isolated cases. Of these, three-barrel ZPUs were made. DA and DA-2 were also allowed on different ZPUs and were not used as infantry.
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        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya April 24 2020 10: 30 New
          +5
          You are not writing on the topic, but start translating the arrows in the spirit of "And you have blacks lynched!" Although you are a zombie, you do not have the intelligence to understand this.
    2. Octopus
      Octopus April 24 2020 20: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Corundum
      snatch junkers who were among the first to understand what a "red infection" for Russia.

      )))

      You contradict yourself.

      Adult bastards threw junkers in the same way as their peers from other sides. And on the account of MG EP you are wrong. These are not real.
      1. Corundum
        Corundum April 24 2020 21: 47 New
        -4
        In Moscow, the junkers may have been abandoned, but the civil war did not last a year.
        And were there Pavlik Morozovs in Germany? This is probably the main difference between the Hitler Youth and the pioneers of the Komsomol ..
        1. Octopus
          Octopus April 24 2020 22: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Corundum
          And in Germany, Pavlik Morozovs were

          Not aware of the details of Nazi propaganda. But it would be strange if it weren’t.
  13. Mikhalych
    Mikhalych April 24 2020 09: 46 New
    0
    In the photo in the 4th row, the second from the right is a pure man.
    laughing wassat
  14. Charlie
    Charlie April 24 2020 09: 48 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: svp67
    Here is closer to the meaning of the article.

    Well then, it's prettier.

    And what is this kid Iron Cross? When managed
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya April 24 2020 09: 51 New
      +4
      If there are no heroes, then you need to come up with them!
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 April 24 2020 10: 06 New
      +6
      Quote: Charlie
      And what is this kid Iron Cross? When managed

      This is a famous photo. March 9, 1945. Guy Willy Hubner, awarded for the defense of Lauban. Now the Polish city of Luban.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish April 24 2020 10: 55 New
        +9
        Yeah, it was worth defending this city so that the Poles lived there. The irony of fate, s. laughing
        Hello Seryoga! Good morning and good day to you. smile
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 April 24 2020 11: 32 New
          +6
          Hi Konstantin! Well, how to say ... whatever one may say, they defended their city. And of course, good day !!!! hi
      2. mr.ZinGer
        mr.ZinGer April 24 2020 11: 17 New
        +2
        I read, he took out several wounded on his cart.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 April 24 2020 11: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: mr.ZinGer
          I read, he took out several wounded on his cart.

          No, it's you about Alfred Tseke. But he was 14 years old. After the war he was held captive until 47 years old.
        2. Avior
          Avior April 24 2020 12: 33 New
          +3
          on the draw another Alfred Cech, there is a photo of his award
      3. bubalik
        bubalik April 24 2020 11: 53 New
        +5
        Phil77 (Sergey)

        ,,, here is also a famous photo.

        Fifteen-year-old German anti-aircraft gunner “Hacker” - Hans Georg Henke of the Hitler Youth captured by soldiers of the 9th US Army in Rechtenbach, Germany, March 29, 1945
        Despite the fact that Henke managed to serve in the Wehrmacht, his further fate was quite successful. After being released from captivity, he returned to his homeland - to the town of Finsterwalde in the province of Branderburg.

        When Branderburg became part of the German Democratic Republic, Henke joined the Communist Party. He lived 68 years, in 1997 he was gone.
        1. Avior
          Avior April 24 2020 12: 48 New
          +1
          there were simply no others after the war
        2. Svarog51
          Svarog51 April 25 2020 06: 49 New
          +3
          Sergei hi
          the town of Finsterwalde in the province of Branderburg.

          Is it not near Dresden? There the regiment of our division was and had a chance to visit.
      4. bubalik
        bubalik April 24 2020 12: 13 New
        +6
        Sergey, how do you like this person?

        The real name of Pope Benedict XVI is Joseph Alois Razinger. In 1941, Joseph Razinger, Jr., at the age of 14, enters the Hitler Youth, later serves in anti-aircraft, anti-tank defense units, in the infantry. A few days before the surrender of Germany deserts, some time after the war he is in the American prisoner of war camp. After his release, Joseph Racinger enters the seminary; ordained in 1951. In 1977 he becomes a cardinal, then - head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in 2005, after the death of John Paul II, becomes Pope.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 April 24 2020 12: 28 New
          +4
          Hi Seryog! So many Germans, if not even deliberately rummaging around, can be found among the grandfathers, if not a member of the NSDAP, then a member of the Hitler Youth. Or just fought on the Eastern Front.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus April 24 2020 20: 19 New
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            Quote: Phil77
            So, for many Germans, even if you do not delve into it thoughtfully, you can find among the grandfathers, if not a member of the NSDAP, then a member of the Hitler Youth, or just fought on the Eastern Front.

            In Germany were members of the NSDAP? In Germany, there were participants in World War II? Yes, this can not be!
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 April 25 2020 07: 07 New
              +1
              Are you surprised? I was also amazed when I found out.
  15. Shadow
    Shadow April 24 2020 12: 12 New
    +1
    German youth threw themselves headlong into the flames of war, their contemporary peers could not even think about sacrificing even a small part of their personal good for the sake of someone. Completely "light, life, pleasure" - the power of evil prevailed.
  16. Corundum
    Corundum April 24 2020 12: 21 New
    -6
    And there was such a 12th SS Panzer Division “Hitler Youth” and they did a lot of trouble to the Allies.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 April 24 2020 12: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Corundum
      to the Allies, they have done many troubles.

      In the 45th, they took part in the battles near Budapest, and near Lake Balaton.
    2. Shadow
      Shadow April 24 2020 14: 23 New
      +1
      After all, this is a completely different formation - Leibstandart's "junior school", and not a hastily assembled militia.
  17. vladcub
    vladcub April 24 2020 14: 19 New
    +2
    I hoped that the author would tell something new about either the armament of the Volkssturm or the Volkssturm itself. Volkssturm detachments are also an interesting topic.
    The STEN submachine gun was successful. About him was on the site. Another thing is that the copy is inferior to the original + rush, and the rush is needed for diarrhea and that's it
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 24 2020 16: 35 New
      +5
      Greetings' hi There, the original was also not very good, in Israel there were only such figures left after the Mandate, and a lot of English ones (in the underground workshops, the Jews also riveted them a little)
  18. Federal1
    Federal1 April 24 2020 21: 16 New
    -3
    I think it would be exactly the same in the USSR if the war went according to the worst-case scenario and as human resources were exhausted. Germany has always fought in the minority against the majority, it is logical that its resources were exhausted faster. Germany fought with the whole world in a ratio of about 1 to 10, I think by the end of the war in all respects. If this was a voluntary participation, then in the USSR there was something similar and 16 year olds fled to the war, if the call is then a shame. The topic is not disclosed, the article is another Isaevschina. All our enemies of the fiends of hell will be defeated and trampled, uninteresting and corny
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 25 2020 21: 08 New
    +2
    The author began with the Hitler Youth, which were carefully prepared,
    and they fought with standard Wehrmacht weapons.
    And then he smoothly switched to Volksturm,
    which indeed, like any other people's militia, were poorly prepared.
    And supplied with bad weapons. But those teens who signed up to Volksturm,
    not related to the Hitler Youth.

    Therefore, the conclusion: the Hitler Youth fought with bad weapons - is incorrect.
  20. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov April 28 2020 14: 21 New
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    Volkssturm did not mark itself not because of a bad ersatz weapon, but because it did not beat the mass Volkssturm. And scoundrel weapons produced very little because it did not hit the militias.
    The German people did not rise in the people's war to defend the Nazi regime.
    Several million real militias, with these ersatz weapons, could turn the whole of 1945 into a real meat grinder.
    1. zombirusrev
      zombirusrev April 28 2020 21: 30 New
      0
      Citizen, do you think that fat burghers and their undergrowth could do what the samurai could not do? Are you seriously? The Red Army tore everyone like a Tuzik heating pad. And given the fact that these fat burghers worked for us, the motivation was at the highest level, and the burghers were in fear that they would have to be responsible for what they did. Oddly enough, they partially answered. A million burghers from the American-British captivity did not return to them there they were treated correctly .. as needed.
  21. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov April 29 2020 12: 05 New
    0
    Quote: zombirusrev
    Citizen, do you think that fat burghers and their undergrowth could do what the samurai could not do? Are you seriously? The Red Army tore everyone like a Tuzik heating pad. And given the fact that these fat burghers worked for us, the motivation was at the highest level, and the burghers were in fear that they would have to be responsible for what they did. Oddly enough, they partially answered. A million burghers from the American-British captivity did not return to them there they were treated correctly .. as needed.

    1. Citizen, I believe that fear of retribution is the best motivation. For this reason, in the East, the "fat burghers" from the Volkssturm fought much better than the Wehrmacht (Berlin, Breslau, etc.). In the end, almost only they fought, and the Wehrmacht fled to surrender to the Americans. The "fat burghers" could not flee their homes. They were not treated like soldiers. In the West, the "fat burghers" did not succeed in Volkssturm because they were not afraid to answer for what they had done.
    2. "Samurai" only the emperor did not allow to arrange a "battle for Japan". That is why there is an emperor even today.
  22. DDT
    DDT 13 May 2020 02: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    The pan does not shake much, dear? Who are you skipping for? For playing the piano on the piano? Of course, I understand that you have supposedly democracy there, but choosing a clown as president is a very dubious choice.

    Well, bastards at the moment, you and your kind. Our push-up territories and asking from descendants are not yet noticed. Download on, pan-legged.
  23. Molot1979
    Molot1979 30 June 2020 15: 29 New
    0
    What is characteristic, these were not included in the official lists of losses, and it is still unknown how many of these militias we put in Germany. There is only an indirect sign that they plagued them quite a lot: after the war the Germans had to import Turks and Yugoslavs en masse. What would not be required if their young and healthy men were abundant.
  24. DeKo
    DeKo 8 July 2020 07: 45 New
    +1
    My grandfather, at 45, in Dresden, hit a jerk from the Hitler Youth. Grandfather was a tank commander