Russia began promoting export of armored vehicles on the Boomerang platform

Russia has launched a program to promote the export of armored vehicles on the Boomerang platform. This was reported by the press service of Rosoboronexport.

According to the report, countries in Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia and the CIS showed interest in the new armored vehicles. In the future, the volume of export deliveries of Boomerang is estimated at one billion dollars. At the same time, it is not specified what kind of equipment will be delivered abroad and when it is planned to sign the first contracts.

Rosoboronexport has begun promoting the newest unified combat platform Boomerang, developed and manufactured by Military Industrial Company LLC, on foreign markets

- said in a statement.

Recall that the Boomerang platform was created by order of the Russian Ministry of Defense. As previously reported, on the basis of this platform it is possible to create a whole family of combat vehicles, starting from BMP-BTR and wheeled tanksto command post and medical vehicles. Platform-based equipment can be used not only in the military, but also in the civilian sphere.

Preliminary tests of prototypes of the K-16 armored personnel carrier (BTR) and the K-17 infantry fighting vehicle (BMP) on the promising Boomerang wheeled chassis ended last December. Armored vehicles will go to the troops only after passing state tests, specific dates are not called.

Comments

[Alex 2020]

All for export ... Of course you need to earn money, but equip your aircraft first. Well, or in parallel with the supply for the cordon.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alex 2020

All for export ... Of course you need to earn money, but equip your aircraft first. Well, or in parallel with the supply for the cordon.

There is a question of price ... apparently at this moment, the price of the Boomerang is not too comfortable for our Moscow Region, and therefore, we decided to put it for export, for the mass of the series, which means a subsequent reduction in the price of the unit for us.

[rocket757]

Mass production reduces costs, technology, gradually improving and so on, so on!
On this side, all type is top, they only hope that they will buy a lot now, when in their own army it is like an exhibition model .... it is doubtful. You have to try.

[Thrifty]

Andrey, it's not about the price! Simply, those who are in power do not know how to decide otherwise! The army itself receives equipment according to the "residual principle"! And, there must be a different priority in terms of arming the country! First, myself, and only after years an export version for sale abroad. By the way, we could create a combat platform purely for the sale of weapons on the foreign market.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Simply, those who are in power otherwise do not know how to decide!

Those who are in power are now re-equipping the army and navy, while you are surfing the internet with your snot on your fist and stir up panic.

Hundreds of new aircraft — Su-30/34/35, hundreds of helicopters — Mi-8/35/28 Ka-52 — go to the troops, 27 S-400 regiments are delivered to the troops (the market price of one regiment is more than $ 1 billion), thousands modernized tanks and armored personnel carriers, the fleet receives nuclear submarines and ships of the near and far sea zones with the latest weapons systems.

Only this is enough not to whine and not scream that everything is gone.

And export is both an additional income both for defense industry enterprises and for budgets of all levels, as well as a reduction in the cost of a unit of product due to the larger series for our army.

And for export products are offered now, because tomorrow potential customers will not need them, because their needs will be met by competitors.

[pmkemcity]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Hundreds of new aircraft — Su-30/34/35, hundreds of helicopters — Mi-8/35/28 Ka-52 — go to the troops, 27 S-400 regiments are delivered to the troops (the market price of one regiment is more than $ 1 billion), thousands modernized tanks and armored personnel carriers, the fleet receives nuclear submarines and ships of the near and far sea zones with the latest weapons systems.

[Fluk54]

One day I immediately remembered the propagandists from the political department

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Go to the troops hundreds of new aircraft - Su-30/34/35, hundreds of helicopters - Mi-8/35/28 Ka-52, 27 S-400 regiments were delivered to the troops (the market price of one regiment is more than $ 1 billion), thousands of modernized tanks and armored personnel carrierss, the fleet receives nuclear submarines and ships of the near and far sea zone with the latest weapons systems.

then cut the sturgeon))
Or is it for what period? For the coming half century?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And export is both an additional income both for defense industry enterprises and for budgets of all levels, as well as a reduction in the cost of a unit of product due to the larger series for our army.

this is all good ... But answer the simple question: why can India afford the purchase of modern technology (moreover, at a bullied export price) many times more than Russia at prices for the Russian MO ???

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

But answer a simple question: why can India afford to buy modern equipment (moreover, at a bullied export price) many times more than Russia at prices for the Russian MO ???

What did India buy at times more?

- Russia put into service 27 S-400 regiments, and how much did India buy? 5 regiments;

- Russia has several tens of nuclear submarines in its arsenal, and now 10 more Boreev and Ash-trees are being built on the stocks, and how much India bought the nuclear submarines? One was leased;

- Russia is the 3rd country in the world in terms of the number of fighters and all aircraft in service and has recently delivered about 100 Su-35s, more than 100 Su-30s, more than 100 Su-34s, about 100 Mi-28s to its army and the same number of Ka-52, and this is not counting the modernization of the Tu-22, Tu-95, Tu-160 and other aircraft. India bought 250 Su-30s, because the whole fleet of fighters from them consists of the MiG-21 and its peers;

- Russia has more than 20 tanks in service and storage, most of which are T-000 and T-72, which is why it is more reasonable to upgrade these vehicles to the T-80 level than to make the same number of new tanks as old ones. In addition to the 90 T-1500, India has not a damn thing.

Or is it for what period? For the coming half century?

This is from the 2008 war.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

What did India buy at times more?

modern weapons.
At least tanks. The Indians T-90 more than 1300 pieces, in Russia - about 500.
Let's look at military aircraft. The Indian Air Force has about 250 Su-30MKI fighters, Russia - just over a hundred.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

India bought 250 Su-30s, because their entire remaining fleet of fighters consists of the MiG-21 and its peers

In addition to dryers, there are MiG-29 and Mirage.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Russia put into service 27 S-400 regiments, and how much did India buy? 5 regiments

For 27 regiments, the S-400 is ridiculous, for the territories of Russia and India are incommensurable.

And you should carefully read the comments. just did not notice, I will emphasize:

Quote: Gregory_45

why the same India can afford to buy modern technicians (moreover, at a bullied export price) many times more

You, instead of trying to answer, began to measure with rulers.
India takes money from somewhere to rearm. Russia does not know how to make money?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

At least tanks. The Indians T-90 more than 1300 pieces, in Russia - about 500.

You add 500 T-90B1200 and hundreds of T-72BVMs to these 3 T-80s - which are not inferior to the T-90 and continue to enter the troops, like the new T-90Ms.

The Indian Air Force has about 250 Su-30MKI fighters, Russia - just over a hundred.

Russia, in addition to a little more than 100 Su-30s, has 100 more advanced Su-35s, more than 100 Su-34s, and there are 150 Su-27s and 100 MiG-29s. MiG-29 in India a little more than 50 pieces.

For 27 regiments, the S-400 is ridiculous, for the territories of Russia and India are incommensurable.

27 regiments of S-400 - this is 54 divisions, 432 launchers, 1728 missiles directly on combat duty. And besides this, in Russia there are S-300s and Bukas and TORs and Shells and air defense on ships. A missile defense system S-500 is being prepared.

Despite the fact that India’s area is only 5 times smaller than Russia, and 2/3 of Russia's territory is unsuitable for living due to permafrost, India’s population is 10 times larger than Russia, which means that there is higher GDP and budget revenues more, it’s corny because in Russia there are 72 million working citizens and paying taxes, and in India 720 million working !!!

You, instead of trying to answer, began to measure with rulers.
India takes money from somewhere to rearm. Russia does not know how to make money?

I am showing you not with a ruler, but with numbers that Russia buys for itself weapons many times more than it sells !!! One S-400 regiment, for example, costs under $ 1 billion, in Russia there are 27 ALREADY !!! One nuclear submarine costs about 1 billion dollars in Russia there are more than 20 of them and 10 on stocks !!! A frigate of type 22350 is $ 0.5 billion, a corvette of project 20380 is $ 250 million, "Karakurt" costs under $ 150 million EVERYONE.

Do you even realize these numbers ?!

No, you are trying to snatch a separate position and manipulate it both with tanks, forgetting that the versions of the modernized T-72B3 and T-80BVM are not inferior to the T-90, nor with the Su-30 aircraft, forgetting about more the advanced and expensive Su-35 fighter and the Su-34 fighter bomber.

Only thanks to export, and in particular to India, Russia has retained its military-industrial complex and now has the opportunity to create modern weapons, in addition, participation in tenders and customer complaints help identify weaknesses in our equipment and correct this.

And I don’t see a single minus for Russia’s export of armored personnel carriers, we don’t have a war, and there is no shortage of equipment in the army, which means that export will allow us to load capacities and increase the series of these armored personnel carriers, which will ultimately allow us to put them in our army in a larger quantity, and their factories producing MORE to earn.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I'm not a ruler to you

it is a ruler. For the question was completely different. You will not show anything in absolute numbers, and if you look at the relative, then a convenient picture will not work.

After all, speaking for the same India, it is important not only the number of new weapons, but also the pace of its receipt. Take the same T-90 tanks - a contract with India was concluded later than the machines went to the RF Armed Forces, but the Indians got them many times more and much faster. This means that they have money - not just a penny, but MONEY, which they do not regret for the army. For which they can afford not only to buy the latest weapons, but, which is very important, in large quantities.
The same story with airplanes and helicopters (Apache toy is expensive). With anti-tank systems (adhesions). With artillery. The purchase of aircraft (Rafaley) at the price of a 5th generation fighter (can you imagine if we bought 36 Su-57s at once? This is a whole regiment!). Buying an aircraft carrier (I will not say anything about us).

Instead of analyzing the situation, you are reading out leaflets at a rally to me about our beauty today. By the way, all T-72s and T-80s were made during the USSR. Like the lion's share of the fleet. In Russia - only 500 tanks. And that’s all ...

With regards to export. This is a normal situation, but you need to approach it wisely. What is a boomerang? Who is he known for? He did not pass the GI, was not put into production, was not accepted for service, did not show himself either in operation or in deed. Nobody knows much about this platform even in Russia. And are you going to sell this car? But who will buy it, a pig in a poke, despite the fact that the market for wheeled armored personnel carriers is quite seriously saturated with a wide variety of offers. To export something of one desire and slogans will not be enough.
And to find out about the car - it must be driven into their aircraft. No matter how you twist, but if there was no foreign customer initially, exporting with a machine not accepted for service, which the native army does not have, is bad.
So think about where you need to make supplies first - yourself or Vasya Pupkin from Gabon

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Thrifty

By the way, they could create a combat platform purely for sale on the foreign arms market.

we could. But this should be done only if there is already an interested customer. Otherwise, it is very likely to fail.
The British company Vickers made export tanks, but they somehow did not enter (about 30 Vickers Mk.3 vehicles were sold to Kenya). Like the Italian OF-40, they also sold just about 30 units to Latin American countries.
But there is a diametrical example - the same Shell, which, after the lack of interest in it from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, was redesigned to the requirements of the UAE and proposed to it. Emirates were the first to buy this ZRPK. Or the creation of a Hashim grenade launcher commissioned by Jordan

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: NEXUS

apparently at this moment, the price of the Boomerang is not too comfortable for our MO ...

And when did the RF Ministry of Defense have enough money? Not even for all "kickbacks" and big ranks "povorovat" money enough! So we have to offer weapons to "rich Buratin" like Zimbabwe, Swaziland, Cote d'Ivoire, Burkina Faso, Mali ...

[venik]

Quote: NEXUS

apparently at this moment, the price of the Boomerang is not too comfortable for our Moscow Region, and therefore, we decided to put it into export, for the mass of the series, which means a subsequent reduction in the price of the unit for us.

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Andrew! You are absolutely right! Perhaps that is why slippers "flew at you" ..... Now they will "fly" at me too!
Well, as the gypsies say: "Let's divide one whip into two backs!"

[Graz]

it means that the MO does not have money to buy for the army, therefore, the rest of the new products are not coming, everything is going on with new missile, torpedo developments and their purchases, land equipment is not a priority, you have to choose what to buy first

[Insurgent]

Quote: Alex 2020

All for export ... Of course you need to earn money, but equip your aircraft first. Well, or in parallel with the supply for the cordon.

Didn't the sale of the T-90s to India become a "lifesaver" for UVZ in the critical 90s, even before supplies to the Russian army, and somehow prevented the subsequent introduction of the tank into service and their supply to the Russian Armed Forces?

Do not take this message with a categorical distrust ...

[Okolotochny]

Su-30 for India is an example.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Insurgent

the sale of T-90s to India did not become a "lifesaver" for UVZ in the critical 90s, even before supplies to the Russian army

the Russian army in 1997 had more than 100 units of the T-90 (mass production started in 1992)
The contract with India was concluded in 2001, deliveries began a year later.

Attention, a question: what year was earlier - 2001 or 1997 ???

[venik]

Quote: Insurgent

Didn't the sale of the T-90s to India become a "lifesaver" for UVZ in the critical 90s, even before supplies to the Russian army, and somehow prevented the subsequent introduction of the tank into service and their supply to the Russian Armed Forces?

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Alas! As it turns out - not everyone on this forum understands this!
As well as they cannot answer the question: "And what kind of" manifig "Yankees have their" super-duper modern and top secret"Are the F-35s being pushed around the world?" And the answer is simple: To recoup the HUGE costs of project development - you have to "push" everyone who succeeds! At least "mass" costs to cover, so that you could buy yourself
On the "garter allies" for components and maintenance - another conversation! But the most important thing is that they themselves admitted that "the game is worth the candle" only if the SERIES is not less than 700 units!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: venik

And what kind of "manifig" the Yankees are pushing their "super-duper modern and top-secret" F-35s around the world?

Is it a revelation for you that the F-35 is an international project? And the countries participating in the program buy it, and not Vasya Pupkin from Gabon

Quote: venik

have to "vtyuhivat" everyone who succeeds!

so they vtyuhivali him Turkey, so vtyuhvili ...) And also Canada and Germany ...

Quote: venik

so that you could buy yourself

in fact, the F-35 first went to the US Air Force and the ILC, later other countries began to receive it. The first country to receive the F-35 was Great Britain - the first car for the British flew in 2012, and the overseas assembly production (Italian factory FACO ( Final Assembly and Check Out) in Novara launched the first fighter at the beginning of 2015. The ILC received the first aircraft in 2011.

Quote: venik

they themselves admitted that "the game is worth the candle" only if the SERIES is at least 700 units!

More than 3300 aircraft were originally planned. The project is designed for this. To date, more than 500 have been built, and this is only the beginning of mass production.

What makes you write lies?

[venik]

Quote: Gregory_45

What makes you write lies?

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So what is "not true"then ?? Maybe the fact that the F-35 was originally planned EXCLUSIVELY for the US Air Force and Aviation? And only after the cost of the program just started" going off scale "(even for the American budget!) - it turned into" international "?
Or maybe "not true"is that without export deliveries the Yankees simply would not have pulled this project?
Or "not true"is that for the development of" export versions "and components for them, as well as for the" screwdriver assembly "of American components in" third countries "they attracted allies ??
WHAT'S WRONG?
PS Huge "-" from the heart! It's a pity - I can only put ONE! For rudeness it would be necessary to slap a dozen!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: venik

So what is "not true" then?

Have you read the comment? It was written in Russian)

Quote: venik

Maybe the F-35 was originally planned EXCLUSIVELY for the US Air Force and Aviation?

no not like this. Initially, JSF was international. Intended for the US Air Force, Navy and ILC, and the United Kingdom Air Force and Navy. Then, other countries joined the program. And no one dragged them into the program by force.
Countries such as the Netherlands, Turkey, Australia, Denmark do not independently build a 5th generation fighter (they will not build a 4th independently). It is their choice - either to buy what they offer, or to participate in the program and become owners of a promising aircraft. Canada refused (having bought the Hornets), Germany too (the Germans are promoting their project). The French also have their own planes. Australia was almost out of the race (leaning towards the Hornets), but eventually remained in the club. Where did you see the violence? Or is it written in the training manual? Or maybe Turkey was forcibly attracted? Erdogan was crying that the planes were refused ... from happiness, probably?

Quote: venik

Or maybe it is "not true" that the Yankees simply would not have pulled this project without export supplies?

F-22 pulled) And B-2 too.
The Americans acted reasonably. Since the plane was originally supposed to be exported (unlike the Raptor), then they attracted all those interested in order to spread the cost of the program for everyone, depending on the share participation. It was not rational for the British to sweat together.

Quote: venik

In order to recoup the HUGE costs of project development - you have to "push" everyone who succeeds!

Well, you ignored this passage about vtyuhivanie?

Quote: venik

Huge "-" from the heart!

minus you can put yourself, and not one)

[venik]

Quote: Gregory_45

no not like this. Initially, JSF was international.

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Yes, it was NOT "international" initially! If you get knowledge from "Wikipedia" (I don't know what exactly is written there) - then "a flag in your hands, a drum on your chest and a fair wind ... in the stern!"
But initially, Joint Strike Fighter was conceived precisely as an aircraft exclusively for the US Air Force, Navy, and KMP !.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: venik

Yes, it was NOT "international" initially!

it is only your belief based solely on faith
F-35 - the same international project as Eurofighter Typhoon or Tornado

The practical part of the JSF program began in the 90s, and before that it was:
The design of a new strike aircraft began in the mid-80s, research within the ASTOVL program was jointly carried out by specialists of the Center named after Ames at NASA and the British Flight Research Center. Their goal was to create a strike VTOL to replace the obsolete Harrier (and the main operators of this aircraft were the British Navy and Air Force and the United States Naval Forces)

In 1993, the ASTOVL program was renamed CALF (General Purpose Light Fighter). With firms Lockheed and McDonnell Douglas, contracts have been signed for the development of a standard air defense system and a conventional fighter based on a single glider. The winner company was to build an experimental aircraft (prototype fighter) with conventional take-off and landing for the US Air Force and a prototype air defense system for the Navy, the United States Naval Forces and the British Navy

The interest of the US Air Force and Navy in the CALF program has increased greatly after the replacement programs for the F-16 (MRF), F / A-18 fighters and the A-6 (A / FX) attack aircraft were canceled. Instead of these two programs, the US Department of Defense came up with the idea of ​​"Unified Advanced Impact Technology" (JAST). This technology meant the creation of a cheap and technically low-risk replacement for the F-14, F-15, F-16, F-111 and F-117 aircraft.
In 1994, JAST and CALF programs were merged together under the banner of JAST technology.
The JAST program in its new form meant only two finalist companies, each of which would have to build two prototypes of a new single fighter, using them to demonstrate the capabilities of conventional take-off and landing, operations with an aircraft carrier and a shortened take-off with a vertical landing. The prototypes of one finalist should now have the designation X-32, and the other - X-35.
In 1996, the program received its modern name "United Strike Fighter" (JSF), and Boeing and Lockheed Martin reached the final of the competition.
After the conclusion of the contract, the Boeing began work on the X-32, and Lockheed Martin, who entered into an alliance with Northrop Grumman, worked on the X-35
Directly on the development of the fighter, along with American firms, the British concern VAE participated

I hope you know the rest yourself.

[iouris]

Quote: Alexey 2020

All for export ...

... except oil and gas.

[gregor6549]

Unfortunately, almost all the activities of the Russian defense industry are currently focused on selling over the hillock everything that can be sold. The only exceptions are some strategic types of weapons. Moreover, the share of proceeds from the sale of arms over the hill that goes to the "bins of the Motherland" is much less than the share that goes into the personal pockets of key shareholders of numerous joint-stock companies, ZOs, etc. And if these shareholders are asked about the defense capability of Russia. it is unlikely that this question will even reach them. And you and I are constantly concerned about the cutting of money by foreign "partners" and are amazed at the miracles that are happening with new models of military equipment and weapons. And we ourselves justify these dexterous children with a chronic lack of money in the treasury. Moreover, they justified it even when there was nowhere to put this money. So it turns out that the probable opponents still have to plow and plow before our cut

[carstorm 11]

But why do you think the Kurgan plant had to be saved from debt? because they completely failed the export program. equipping its armed forces is always commissioned by the Ministry of Defense. how much they ask and receive. they always have priority orders. but the plant must nevertheless develop. which means that working for export is quite normal.

[vkl.47]

Let them sell. If only the production would not stand. Although the hamsters will again drag out the old song about cutting about kindergartens and pensions. To the woodpeckers, the Liberals are nothing to talk about. Fool (to have) only (penis) to stupid.

[Thrifty]

For bananas, for palm oil, maybe for glass beads. ... Everything is for sale, and the army will be fed with fairy tales that "later" and she will receive this technique in 30 years, when the technique becomes morally obsolete, the Africans will return the used one to their army and put it into service! Actually, this news caused one feeling - anger! Shame! !! ALL FOR SALE! !!!

[Keeping]

Why do you need a boomerang? After all, the BTR-80 is not inferior to anything and is much cheaper, just like the Armata and T-90 ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Keeping

Why do you need a boomerang? After all, the BTR-80 is not inferior to anything and is much cheaper, just like the Armata and T-90 ...

A bike or scooter is completely cheaper ... yeah

[Keeping]

Look at how many four-wheel drive cars the population needs to be removed and painted with green paint ...

[knn54]

On BTR-82 are absent:
-V-shaped mine base;
- suspended floor and "energy-absorbing" paratrooper seats with shock absorption and individual suspension;
feed output.
Today you cannot fight "on armor".

[Keeping]

But there is a BTR-82, but there is no boomerang

[carstorm 11]

and armored personnel carriers and should not fight !!! they have other tasks in general. delivery.

[evgen1221]

Well, if we do ourselves a drill for the price of one export, then it might work.

[Keeping]

Thousand T-90s to India and 50 to surrender to themselves

[Peter is not the first]

Thousand T-90s in India and 500 to themselves. Something like this is still in reality, and not as you wrote. Why remember about India and count all the years of supply, and for Russia, only one year.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Peter is not the first

Why remember about India and count all the years of supply, and for Russia, only one year.

wow - all 500 Russian T-90s released in a year? Where did you find such a source of information?

1997 - the Russian army is armed with 107 T-90 tanks (in the 5th Guards Don Tank Division, Buryatia, Siberian Military District)

1998 - the number of tanks reached more than 150.

From 2004 to 2007 another 94 tanks were produced

As of 2007, the RF Armed Forces transferred 431 T-90 tanks

[Peter is not the first]

Read the higher correspondence better and understand that I did not write that these 500 tanks were produced in a year, but I discussed with my opponent that in Russia there are only 50 T-90 tanks.

[Thrifty]

evgen1221-that's exactly "if"! Yes, only they are given there for the sake of the dough! Which will go to offshore accounts, and tearful pennies will return to Russia!

[Graz]

Well, you turned it down, you won’t take it for export, from 2x, but rather from 3x export, you could build one for yourself, but the enterprise should have profit, plus you still need to be able to conclude a contract, competition in the market for wheelchairs not small

[orionvitt]

Quote: Graz

they won’t take it for export at such a price,

For what? Can European or American be cheaper? I doubt it. Cheaper can only be prefabricated trash of small producers, third countries. With the corresponding characteristics.

[Vasyan1971]

Healthy bandura. Interestingly, what "dead zones" does she have, especially in the front? And how does it stop? From threat detection to suppression. The XXI century after all, not the middle of the past ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Interestingly, what "dead zones" does she have, especially in the front? And how does it stop?

Soviet, and then Russian technology has already gained so much that the experience is simply enormous. I hope developed competent people, all the main factors taken into account. So, on this issue, I personally do not really worry much.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: orionvitt

I hope developed competent people, all the main factors taken into account.

Yes. But nonetheless.
Look, in the notorious, notorious "Azovets" trash can, and then the cameras were poked ... And here is such a bum! Yes, at that height ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vasyan1971

. And here is such a bearer! Yes, at that height ..

Is it a carryman? This is wearing

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: orionvitt

Is it a carryman? This is wearing

This is a snob.
But VLD in fact is the same. NLD here does not interfere with seeing the water driver. Somehow they cope, right? Do not move to the touch ...

[Mayak-SH-7]

Lord, well, a freak, some kind of stump!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Look, in the notorious, notorious "Azovets" trash can, and then the cameras were poked ... And here is such a bum! Yes, at that height ...

there are video cameras on Boomerang. The back and side are clearly visible,

but where the side cameras look and where the front view cameras are, the question is ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Gregory_45

where are the front view cameras - the question is ...

Exactly! Like that story about a gopher, which is not visible, but he, such a dog, is!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: orionvitt

Soviet, and then Russian technology has already gained so much that the experience is simply enormous. I hope developed competent people, all the main factors taken into account.

the experience is accumulated, but with the rethinking of this experience, and especially with the introduction of various differences, that it (sad) is sad not to repeat it - we have big problems.
Ever since the Second World War, it became clear that good observation devices and sights for the tank are vital. With the proliferation of ATGMs and anti-tank weapons, the need arose for something more serious. than combined armor and DZ. And these are just a couple of examples.
The Union was a pioneer in the development of KAZ. But ... what do we have at this moment?

And the point here is not at all in the constructors (although sometimes they are odd too). There are plenty of developments from the times of the USSR and from the Russian ones. But where are they on serial vehicles? Have you ever asked yourself a similar question? All your mentioned "huge experience" is gathering dust somewhere on the shelves

[Anders]

First you need to run around 5 years in real combat conditions and only then decide the issue of export!

[_Ugene_]

the hope is only for export, there was no money for myself, and in the light of recent events the NWF is melting before our eyes, if at first it was boasted that at such oil prices it would be enough for 6-10 years, now they already say that by the end of the year halved

[xvot]

Quote: Thrifty

It’s just that those in power can’t decide otherwise.

just good to sing the same song from the couch

[Doccor18]

Boomerang platform of course
It is encouraging that finally the BTR-80 will be replaced by more modern and protected cars. However, complexity and novelty imply a decent price. It is doubtful that the MO will order several hundred such machines, not to mention thousands. Therefore on
BTR-80 and BMP-2 in different
modernization options
we will contemplate for a long time
in combat units.

[carstorm 11]

but how else? replacement of the entire park is years. decades. which means that the technology of past generations will be modernized. otherwise the loss of combat readiness. I am sometimes touched by such statements. how do you imagine the change of one car to another?))) abruptly took everything from the troops and immediately brought in new cars or what? ) This does not happen even in the cinema) when purchasing 100 per year, calculate for yourself how many years you need to replace everything)

[Sahalinets]

You first put at least five battalion units in your army! Otherwise, no one will take it, especially since there is an oversupply of such APCs in the market.

[Keeping]

Well, the Americans will stand across the road, as always, and then what? Well, ours will go by the side of the road, but they can get stuck, the experience is already sad ...

[Keeping]

To scare the Americans there, you can still load Poseidon onto the platform and ride along the M-5 highway with it.

[Grigory_45]

Quote from rudolf

Include in the patrol of the military police and see how the Americans try to block this road

Americans can simply block the road with a jeep. Do you want to push? Nobody will do it. So in terms of the breakthrough of the cordon - that UAZ, that BTR-80, that Boomerang in equal conditions.

[Grigory_45]

Quote from rudolf

they will push.

it depends on whether the group commander will have eggs. Will he be able to make such a decision without a pointer or contrary to the command from above?
And in this situation it does not matter what kind of equipment there will be - Typhoon or Boomerang. Cope or fail both. Crucial is the will.

[Zaurbek]

And we just discussed in the next branch! It is necessary to send to our Syria.

[APASUS]

As far as I understand, infa should appear about the test of the boomerang platform in Syria in the coming days? This is the best publicity move for any technique, combat test!

[Grigory_45]

the Boomerang platform was created by order of the Russian Ministry of Defense

but in the Russian army there is not a single machine of the Boomerang platform, it has not even passed the test and is not accepted for service. But - we already offer for export. I wonder what highly effective managers are counting on? What will buy a pig in a poke? The boomerang is not as advertised as Armata - it might have been bought. Machines that were not created for a specific customer (in this case there was no specific foreign customer, the customer was the Russian Ministry of Defense), it is very difficult to make their way on the export market.

on the basis of this platform it is possible to create a whole family of combat vehicles, ranging from BMP-BTR and wheeled tanks, to command post and medical vehicles

yes you at least build an armored personnel carrier, then you will dream about staff cars ...

[carstorm 11]

this is called work. orders and even in the field of armaments are years of negotiations. This is a search for potential buyers. Do you know a strategy like that? before your release, if you don’t even have a small portfolio of orders, you won’t achieve anything at all in the long run. this is not a store.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: carstorm 11

orders and even in the field of armaments are years of negotiations. This is a search for potential buyers. Do you know a strategy like that? before your release, if you don’t even have a small portfolio of orders, you won’t achieve anything at all in the long run.

in my comment is not written about the same?

[carstorm 11]

Not this. managers are just engaged in its promotion there.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: carstorm 11

Not this. managers are just engaged in its promotion there.

The best advertisement for technology is its adoption by the developer country and its successful participation in a real war. Everything else is like showing pictures and stories about how wonderful she is - garbage.
There are many cases when companies proactively developed equipment specifically for export, and it almost never "entered", or did not come at all as expected.
At the same time, cars created for an already well-known buyer (who can formulate their Wishlist and wishes) will have their customers.

And managers - let them deal directly with the conclusion of contracts. Advertising is not their thing (at least Russian managers)

[carstorm 11]

I do not argue with that. it just does not negate the fact that the order portfolio must be collected as early as possible. especially in this area. There are many tools for this. and they must be used. the market for such equipment is very much overloaded with offers.

[Doccor18]

Quote: carstorm 11

but how else? replacement of the entire park is years. decades. which means that the technology of past generations will be modernized. otherwise the loss of combat readiness. I am sometimes touched by such statements. how do you imagine the change of one car to another?))) abruptly took everything from the troops and immediately brought in new cars or what? ) This does not happen even in the cinema) when purchasing 100 per year, calculate for yourself how many years you need to replace everything)

How many BTR-80-70-60 troops.
Do you seriously think that they will change 1 to 1? That is what I am talking about.
How many BTR-80-70 troops, and how many Boomerangs will buy?

[carstorm 11]

over time, all equipment will be replaced one way or another. it all depends on the staffing. if it is not reduced then 1 to 1.) simply the terms will be huge but this is quite logical. this process is endless and not interrupted)

[Prjanik]

Quote: Thrifty

First of all, and only after years, an export option for sale in a foreign country. By the way, they could create a combat platform purely for sale on the foreign arms market.

But the mattresses did not even know, they drove their fu-35 for export, without even having time to bring it to mind. This is me to the fact that not everything is always so simple)

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Prjanik

But the mattresses did not even know, they drove their fu-35 for export, without even having time to bring it to mind. This is me to the fact that not everything is always so simple)

JSF (F-35) is an initially international project, the first to receive it are the countries participating in the aircraft creation program (design, production). This is not export, this is getting your own plane, in which they invested.
The Anglo-German-Italian Tornado and Eurofighter Typhoon, created by a consortium of European firms, were created in the same way. Who and to whom imported what ??? Italians to Germans or Germans to English?
So the comparison is extremely unsuccessful.

[Prjanik]

If European countries participate more or less on an equal footing, then the F-35 is engaged mainly in the United States, which others do critical, Turkey, for example, that it is impossible to quickly replace. All this type of cooperation is designed to somehow bind these countries, to guarantee the market for aircraft. You can immediately rivet a large series for yourself and others, reducing the cost of production.
As far as I remember, according to the modern protected wheeled APC, we first had the Atom project, Russian-French, the same cooperation to sell to the French, because there are many analogues on the market. But something did not grow together, and we decided to do our own Boomerang, but also largely export-oriented for mass production and, consequently, cost reduction.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Prjanik

All this type of cooperation is designed to

all this cooperation is designed to:
1. have a formed portfolio of orders for the aircraft. Manufacturers clearly know that they will release so many aircraft, they know the minimum bar. This gives certain guarantees to both the manufacturer and the military (Air Force, Navy)
2. allows you to spread the cost of the program on participants, thereby reducing the financial burden on a single country. It is as if you and your neighbor in the country extended a gas pipeline (for example) to a chipper, and not each separately for yourself.
3. Some countries cannot afford to sharpen a fighter on their own, due to the lack of the necessary competencies, for financial reasons or for both reasons at once. Participation in an international project gives them such an opportunity. That is why no one forcibly dragged anyone. If you want, you take part and get the planes, you don’t want to, you don’t take part, and you stand in line, waiting for deliveries to the developing countries first, meeting their needs, and then, maybe the product will authorize you to deliver.

Quote: Prjanik

According to the modern protected wheeled armored personnel carrier, as far as I remember, at first there was the Atom project, Russian-French, the same cooperation to sell to the French

Yes, there was the Atom project. but it was created for other reasons. They wanted to quickly and inexpensively get a completely modern chariot. In Russia, there was no heavy chassis, the domestic defense industry was puffed up for several years, but could not provide a chassis suitable for a heavy APC. But the French had such a chassis. The car was supposed to be delivered to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
But the events in the Crimea in 2014 were the reason for the termination of cooperation (and not only in Atom, as you remember)
I had to make the chariot ourselves.
By the way, there was still an attempt to adapt the Italian Centaur.

Quote: Prjanik

and we decided to do our own pure Boomerang, but also export-oriented in many respects

where do you get such information? you still say that Armata created as export-oriented))
I was involved in the design of one of our three promising armored platforms, and I dare to assure you that I have never heard of any performance for export. Even at the rumor level. Machines (Armata, Kurganets, Boomerang) were created by order and for the Russian Ministry of Defense.
Of course, sooner or later, export will take place, but then they did not think about that.

As for export. If you read the comments, almost all advocate for the sale of cars. But not everyone sees the pitfalls of this process.
One of them. For example, you sold cars to a certain state waging (suppose) a civil war. But the partisans there are not really able to fight, and your armored personnel carriers will quickly be burned. Beautiful advertisement? Probably, after such a successful debut behind the machine, the lines will line up?
You also need to know who to export. And for good, before offering a product, he needs to create an attractive image, conduct a competent advertising company. The Boomerang does not have this to this day. On the contrary - the car is classified as long-term construction.

[veritas]

Rosoboronexport "began promoting the newest unified combat platform" Boomerang "developed and manufactured by Military Industrial Company LLC to foreign markets

A good car in many ways superior to its analogues. Given the dollar, it's time to sell. There will be no competitors in the price. And price and quality are the key to success.

[7,62x54]

When Asians ride the Boomerangs, in Russia these Boomerangs will appear in parades as a novelty.

[Zaurbek]

And what kind of diesel did they install? There were elections with both a diesel engine and a combat module. Even the BMP-2M "berezhok" was installed.

[Evgeny Strygin]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Simply, those who are in power otherwise do not know how to decide!

Those who are in power are now re-equipping the army and navy, while you are surfing the internet with your snot on your fist and stir up panic.

Hundreds of new aircraft — Su-30/34/35, hundreds of helicopters — Mi-8/35/28 Ka-52 — go to the troops, 27 S-400 regiments are delivered to the troops (the market price of one regiment is more than $ 1 billion), thousands modernized tanks and armored personnel carriers, the fleet receives nuclear submarines and ships of the near and far sea zones with the latest weapons systems.

Only this is enough not to whine and not scream that everything is gone.

And export is both an additional income both for defense industry enterprises and for budgets of all levels, as well as a reduction in the cost of a unit of product due to the larger series for our army.

And for export products are offered now, because tomorrow potential customers will not need them, because their needs will be met by competitors.

Those in power solve their problems. If it still hasn’t come up, your opinion on such issues is VERY important. Please do not look at plans for re-equipment and their implementation over the past two to three decades. Your important opinion may crack.