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The project of the floating launch site "Sea Launch" is frozen "until better times"

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The project of the floating launch site "Sea Launch" is frozen "until better times"

The project to launch rockets from the Sea Launch floating platform has been frozen for an indefinite period. According to the head of the company S7 Vladislav Filev, the reason for this was the economic situation in the world.


According to Filev, the entire Sea Launch complex was delivered to Vladivostok, however, due to the coronavirus pandemic, a decision was made to freeze the program “until better times”. At the same time, he emphasized that the fee for parking the launch platform and the control ship in the port, as well as for using the port infrastructure, was twice as high as it was off the US coast.

(...) Today we have no opportunity to do something, so we have frozen the program until better times. (...) You know, now we really have no time for this

- said Filev, adding that at present there can be no talk of any missile for the complex.

Recall that the Sea Launch floating spaceport has been mothballed since 2014, after the launch of the last Ukrainian Zenit rocket, which was discontinued after the severance of economic ties with Russia. Until March 2020, the launch platform and command ship were off the coast of California, USA, after which they were moved to Slavyanka Bay near Vladivostok. It was assumed that the complex will undergo repairs and a rocket will be developed for it, after which it was planned to resume launches.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 23 2020 11: 04 New
    +1
    So, after all, there are no rockets for him.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 11: 18 New
      -4
      Well, why is it so categorical? Some options are being worked out.
      MOSCOW, April 11 - RIA Novosti. Roskosmos is considering the possibility of participating in the resumption of launches from the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome from 2024, in connection with which it instructed its enterprises to work out the possibility of participating in the project, according to a letter from the state corporation sent to the enterprises of the industry and available to RIA Novosti.
      JSC Glavkosmos launch services (operator of launch services - ed.) To conduct a marketing analysis of launch services using the Sea Launch rocket and space complex, starting from 2024, and to assess the competitiveness of the complex in comparison with the space rocket complex "Soyuz-5" at the Baikonur and Vostochny cosmodromes, "the document says.
      In addition, the Progress Rocket and Space Center (a rocket manufacturer) has been instructed to estimate the cost of developing a Soyuz-7 rocket for launches from Sea Launch, the cost of its serial production and the cost of preparing for launch.

      https://ria.ru/20200411/1569889649.html
      1. military_cat
        military_cat April 23 2020 11: 20 New
        11
        A lot of things can be "worked out", but in fact there are no rockets for a floating cosmodrome.

        Filev probably hoped that he would be allowed to purchase Zenits, but he was banned for political reasons: https://ria.ru/20190325/1552073624.html

        Politics killed Sea Launch twice - in 2014 and in 2019. And the 2020 pandemic became a wreath on his grave.
        1. pru-pavel
          pru-pavel April 23 2020 11: 25 New
          +3
          As the proverb says: "-Do you see a gopher? -No. -And I do not see. Yes is being worked out.
          1. Topgun
            Topgun April 23 2020 11: 39 New
            +9
            "Angara" has been under development since 1992 ...
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 11: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: Topgun
              "Angara" has been under development since 1992 ...

              Angara launches were in 2014, and the launch of the Angara-5 heavy missile will be launched soon. She is already assembled.
              1. Topgun
                Topgun April 23 2020 12: 18 New
                +9
                Don't you find "zrada" (tm) in your commentary?
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                Hangar launches were in 2014

                now in the yard 2020 ... what has happened all these years? maybe the countrywoman where they did it shared? ...
                1. slipped
                  slipped April 23 2020 22: 01 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Topgun
                  what has been happening all these years?


                  All "these years" Moscow Region launched its satellites on the Proton-M rocket. And in Omsk the production of new missiles was being prepared.
        2. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 11: 32 New
          -10
          Politics killed Sea Launch twice - in 2014 and in 2019. And the 2020 pandemic became a wreath on his grave.

          Well, why did you kill? For now, they just froze the topic until 2024, and there you look and they will make a new rocket for the Sea Launch instead of the Zenith. In any case, the Sea Launch theme can always be returned.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat April 23 2020 11: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Well, why did you kill? For now, they just froze the topic until 2024, and there you look and they will make a new rocket for Sea Launch instead of Zenith.
            It is not even funny.
            1. boss
              boss April 23 2020 14: 23 New
              +2
              It's ridiculous and stupid now to destroy the only cosmodrome in the world. Cut to metal or sell for a pittance, and after a few years, begin to Design and coordinate. Build another 10 years.
              And then not declare profitability.
              It smacks of diversion.
              Sky strike fighter zamusnuyut still for a sensible position for some reason.
              1. Semen Sychev
                Semen Sychev April 23 2020 19: 31 New
                -1
                Quote: patron
                It's ridiculous and stupid now to destroy the only cosmodrome in the world.

                Due to its uselessness, the Russian floating space launch center Sea Launch (“Sea Launch”) will be cut into scrap metal, the head of the Space Policy Institute, Ivan Moiseev, told RIA Novosti.

                The expert recalled that currently the floating spaceport does not have a rocket. “I do not see any perspective. There are currently no consumers. The only option is to send it (launch platform - approx. “Lenti.ru”) to scrap metal. No rocket, no orders. What to expect? " - offers a specialist.

                According to him, the time of Sea Launch has passed.

                lenta.ru/news/2020/03/31/sealaunch/
                1. boss
                  boss April 24 2020 02: 09 New
                  -1
                  Great expert, great forecast.
                  Of those experts who want to build business centers in place of the Khrunichev center, because they see no prospects.
                  They don’t see, because they’re not looking there.
                  And why was the spaceport distilled to Russia ?!
                  Do we have more expensive scrap?
                  Insanity grows stronger ...
          2. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 April 23 2020 11: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            In any case, the topic of the Sea Launch can always be returned.

            If by that time everything does not decay, starting from power structures and ending with electric wiring. Or razmoraderyat and razkannibalyat ...
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 11: 55 New
              -1
              If by that time everything does not decay, starting from power structures and ending with electric wiring.

              Why should everything rot in 4 years, if the Sea Launch has been used for decades and nothing has decayed before?
              Or razmoraderyat and razkannibalyat ...

              They will probably be guarded by the same military.
              1. zlinn
                zlinn April 23 2020 12: 10 New
                +2
                why would the military protect private property, and S7, like most other air carriers, now has no money at all, and in particular
              2. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 April 23 2020 12: 10 New
                +3
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                Why everything should rot in 4 years

                First: where 4, there is enough and 24 will fit.
                Second:
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                if Sea Launch has been used for decades

                Keyword - used. It is necessary to tell how complicated technique is poured and morally satisfied without constant use and maintenance?
                Thirdly:
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                They will probably be guarded by the same military.

                Oh-oh-stinkers ... No.
                1. Sky strike fighter
                  Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 12: 14 New
                  +1
                  Firstly: where 4, there is enough 24 to fit.

                  Sorry, but this is pulling an owl on the globe.
                  1. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 April 23 2020 12: 21 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                    Sorry, but this is pulling an owl on the globe.

                    Forgive, of course, but I quote the article:
                    The project to launch missiles from the Sea Launch floating platform is frozen indefinitely

                    Why do you think so:
                    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                    Why should everything rot away 4 years
                    ? Despite the fact that
                    According to Filev: ... "You know, now we really have no time for this"
                    adding that at present there is no question of any missile for the complex.
                    1. Sky strike fighter
                      Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 12: 27 New
                      +2
                      The key word is "now". The crisis is all over the world. As soon as everything settles down, it will be possible to think about the Sea Launch.
                      1. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 April 23 2020 12: 29 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        Once everything settles down, you can think about the Sea Launch.

                        Oh-oh-stinkers ...
                        The project to launch missiles from the Sea Launch floating platform has been frozen indefinitely.

                        Probably the same thing was said about "Buran" ...
                        And there either the sultan will die, or the donkey, or Hodge.
                      2. Greenwood
                        Greenwood April 23 2020 14: 22 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Vasyan1971
                        Probably the same thing was said about "Buran" ...
                        Exactly. In the archives of the Kommersant newspaper, you can find articles from 1993, where they wrote that although funding for the program has been significantly reduced, the development team is not discouraged and still hopes to continue operating the ship.
                        "Buran" will fly again
                        The second flight of "Buran" - the first one took place on November 15, 1988 - will become a significant event for the international circles close to rocket and space technology. As you know, opinions were expressed that due to a number of technical and organizational reasons, the first flight of the system will also be the last. With sufficient funding a new unmanned flight of "Buran" may take place next spring. During its seven-day stay in orbit, Buran will automatically dock with Mir and deliver a new retrofit module to the station in its cargo compartment. At present, specialists from the Molniya Research and Production Association, which created the Buran, are preparing the spacecraft for launch at the Baikonur cosmodrome, but they emphasize that the flight depends on budgetary support. Without it, the first at the Mir station may be the American Shuttle, the docking of which is planned for 1995.
                        ht tps: //www.komm ersant.ru/doc/35121
                      3. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 April 23 2020 14: 25 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        Without it, the first at the Mir station may be the American Shuttle, the docking of which is planned for 1995.

                        But in the end: neither Burana, nor the Shuttle. What an irony!
                      4. Greenwood
                        Greenwood April 23 2020 14: 35 New
                        +7
                        In fairness, the Shuttles flew 30 years, making more than 100 successful flights. And Buran was frankly lowered into the toilet, having spent a lot of money and effort on its development.
                      5. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 April 23 2020 15: 01 New
                        0
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        In fairness, the Shuttles flew 30 years, making more than 100 successful flights.

                        Yes. Nevertheless, they were also lowered into the toilet. It was cheaper than fixing the causes of accidents. At least Buran did not suck money for so long.
        3. boss
          boss April 23 2020 14: 28 New
          -1
          Kanesh, it’s better to tear apart, and then design from scratch!
          And the whining that FSE power structures rot and wiring ...
          Since the 14th did not rot?
          Do prevention and will not rot.
          It seems that here minuser pests divorced.
          You remember the "unprofitable" brother Kuzi better.
          Now they sold it to a casino, then they sold it to metal, but nothing, it’s floating perfectly.
          But not here, but in China.
          And they did not rot, which is surprising.
          Mosk decay faster than metal)
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 April 23 2020 14: 56 New
            0
            Quote: patron
            Do prevention and will not rot.

            Drive, do it. For free. Or will someone spend money on this with us? At
            You know, now we really have no time for this
            and at
            the parking fee for the launch platform and the control ship in the port, as well as for the use of port infrastructure is twice as high as it was off the US coast.

            Quote: patron
            You remember the "unprofitable" brother Kuzi better.

            Exactly. Then remember the "profitable" brothers of Peter the Great.
            Quote: patron
            But not here, but in China.

            Exactly! Remind me where is Sea Launch now? In China?
            Quote: patron
            Mosk decay faster than metal)

            You know better, I will not argue ... request
      2. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa April 23 2020 12: 13 New
        +2
        "He will surely be guarded, the same military" - haha, great. And now let's see the state of the Pacific Fleet and it is clear that the platform will come to the kirdyk if the military is in any way involved in this. This is not a stone in the military's garden, as everything is simple everywhere, if there is no money, there is no service. It didn’t rot, because the California service paid hundreds of millions of dollars a year. And now, apparently, it will be mothballed.
        1. boss
          boss April 23 2020 14: 51 New
          -3
          That kanesha in our FSE is poorly maintained.
          Let's FULL fleet, and why trifle, and army equipment and aviation, EVERYTHING in California and Florida will send ?!
          There, the content of kuda is better, cheaper and healthier than the climate, right?
          They did the right thing that they overtook the spaceport.
          Ours and the point
  2. Malyuta
    Malyuta April 23 2020 12: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Why did you kill me?

    Just in case!


    And for comparison
    6th launch of Falcon 9 from SpaceX with 60 Starlink satellites. Take-off and landing steps. Satellite output.

    1. slipped
      slipped April 23 2020 22: 11 New
      -3
      Quote: Malyuta
      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      Why did you kill me?

      Just in case!


      dumped poop

      Quote: Malyuta
      And for comparison
      6th launch of Falcon 9 from SpaceX with 60 Starlink satellites. Take-off and landing steps. Satellite output.


      licked w .... mask

      lol

      what a lively comrade laughing
  • Blackmokona
    Blackmokona April 23 2020 11: 34 New
    +3
    Filev claims that the Russian authorities gave him guarantees for the use of the Zeniths. But threw with them
    1. slipped
      slipped April 23 2020 22: 15 New
      -1
      Quote: BlackMokona
      Filev claims that the Russian authorities gave him guarantees for the use of the Zeniths. But threw with them


      He was offered to jointly make his rocket, on Russian territory. But the master is the master.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 23 2020 22: 50 New
        -1
        He first wanted to buy 50 rockets from Rosskosmos, and then do it together. But here and there Rosskosmos scored a bolt according to Filev
        1. slipped
          slipped April 23 2020 23: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: BlackMokona
          He first wanted to buy 50 rockets from Rosskosmos, and then do it together. But here and there Rosskosmos scored a bolt according to Filev


          Did he personally tell you about 50 missiles? laughing Maybe tell you how Ukraine did not pay for the equipment it already supplied?
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona April 24 2020 00: 10 New
            0
            These are the pies with kittens
            https://tass.ru/interviews/5760322
            S7 Space CEO: we offered Roskosmos $ 2,5 billion for rockets, and silence in return

            - Last year at the conference "Space as a business" Vladislav Filev (co-owner of the S7 Group - TASS note) said that S7 Space was ready to order 50 Soyuz-5 missiles from Roscosmos with an option for another 35 carriers if Roscosmos met certain requirements to the rocket. Was there a reaction from the state corporation?

            - No, there was no reaction. Let me remind you that the proposal was made during the previous administration of Roscosmos. What was the basis of Filev’s idea? Standard aviation ordering scheme for a new aircraft. When they plan to produce a new aircraft, they are looking for a starting customer. In aviation, the first firm order is about 50 aircraft. In this case, it is already reasonable to deploy serial production.

            It was Filev who suggested: 50 missiles plus an option. The order is firm, with an advance payment of 10%. But over the past year, no reaction has followed from Roscosmos, as if they had not heard of such a proposal. This could be called an anecdote, but such is the reality. We were ready to translate the words into a firm contract. The conversation was about a substantial amount of $ 2,5 billion in investments in the Soyuz-5 project.
            1. slipped
              slipped April 24 2020 00: 17 New
              -2
              Quote: BlackMokona
              These are the pies with kittens


              your pies with kittens are rotten and a little bit already

              Quote: BlackMokona
              Last year .... when Roscosmos fulfills certain rocket requirements


              In that year (and this is 2017), he was already late with his requirements. laughing The Soyuz-5 rocket is being created for specific tasks, based on specific possibilities for its creation as soon as possible. The creation of a missile with the working name "Soyuz-7" for the SL is possible only after the creation of the "Soyuz-6" rocket under the federal program. Therefore, Sea Launch will be mothballed now.
  • Sniper Amateur
    Sniper Amateur April 24 2020 21: 36 New
    -2
    Well, why so categorically? Some options are being worked out.
    MOSCOW, April 11 - RIA Novosti. Roskosmos is considering the possibility of participating in the resumption of launches from the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome from 2024, in connection with which it instructed its enterprises to work out the possibility of participating in the project, according to a letter from the state corporation sent to the enterprises of the industry and available to RIA Novosti.
    JSC Glavkosmos launch services (operator of launch services - ed.) To conduct a marketing analysis of launch services using the Sea Launch rocket and space complex, starting from 2024, and to assess the competitiveness of the complex in comparison with the space rocket complex "Soyuz-5" at the Baikonur and Vostochny cosmodromes, "the document says.
    In addition, the Progress Rocket and Space Center (a rocket manufacturer) has been instructed to estimate the cost of developing a Soyuz-7 rocket for launches from Sea Launch, the cost of its serial production and the cost of preparing for launch.

    https://ria.ru/20200411/1569889649.html

    Neither the target modification of Soyuz-5 under the SL, nor the semi-mythical base Soyuz-5 itself, will be ready not only for the beginning of commercial operation, but even full-scale LCI by 2024. This is simply unrealistic.
  • boss
    boss April 23 2020 14: 15 New
    -1
    Now I don’t have it, but I have some operating time.
    And if now there is no rocket, and in a couple of years, will it appear?
    What are you driving at?
    Space launch site for scrap?
    If it is not profitable to maintain it in a commercial structure, pass the videoconferencing, they will find where to park and how to use it.
  • askort154
    askort154 April 23 2020 16: 57 New
    +1
    Victor_B So after all, there are no rockets for him.

    We have already discussed this topic. I wrote then that they had brought "a suitcase without a handle."
    But he was - "not understood". hi
  • Leonid Batsura
    Leonid Batsura April 30 2020 16: 38 New
    0
    "There is such a rocket!" This is the Proton-M launch vehicle, which Rogozin also eliminated
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 23 2020 11: 04 New
    +5
    Who would doubt it and why am I not surprised? Just wondering, is there a special? How Mach or, simply put --------------------- Who is to blame, then our beautiful rockets remain at the joke, and the con artist Musk is in grief.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat April 23 2020 11: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      who is to blame, then our beautiful rockets remain fun, and the fraudster Musk is in grief.
      Time flies incredibly fast. It seemed that yesterday there was talk that no one would entrust SpaceX with critical missions, because Falcon is a new rocket, and our RD-180 proved to be many times in business, and yesterday Falcon beat Atlas V, which uses RD-180, in terms of the number of launches the most repeatedly flying active rocket among American companies.
      1. slipped
        slipped April 23 2020 22: 23 New
        -2
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        who is to blame, then our beautiful rockets remain fun, and the fraudster Musk is in grief.


        And this is the new Soyuz-2.1a with TGK, which is preparing to launch in a couple of days:



        Lack of knowledge about our launches? laughing

        Quote: military_cat
        and yesterday, Falcon beat Atlas V, which uses the RD-180, in the number of launches and became the most repeatedly flying active rocket among US companies.


        And this is the new Atlas-5, with Russian RD-180 engines, which is flying next, right? laughing

        1. military_cat
          military_cat April 24 2020 05: 54 New
          -1
          Quote: slipped
          And this is the new Atlas-5, with Russian RD-180 engines, which is flying next, right? laughing

          Yes, great, the next launch after as many as two since the beginning of 2020. How many Mask have already launched there this year, seven? The piquancy of the situation adds that these Russian RD-180 engines are preparing to launch the X-37B, a Pentagon secret project with undeclared goals and objectives.
          1. slipped
            slipped April 24 2020 14: 16 New
            0
            Quote: military_cat
            Yes, great, the next launch after as many as two since the beginning of 2020.


            Of course great, our technology does not fail.

            Quote: military_cat
            How many Mask have already launched there this year, seven?


            It makes no difference to us, we have no cooperation with him on space issues.

            Quote: military_cat
            The piquancy of the situation adds that these Russian RD-180 engines are preparing to launch the X-37B, a Pentagon secret project with undeclared goals and objectives.


            So the devil is not so terrible as they are painted. laughing But seriously, their launch will be made possible by ours, also a military man.
            1. military_cat
              military_cat April 24 2020 16: 47 New
              -1
              Quote: slipped
              It makes no difference to us, we have no cooperation with him on space issues.

              "If I ignore it, it might disappear."
              1. slipped
                slipped April 24 2020 18: 51 New
                -1
                Quote: military_cat
                "If I ignore it, it might disappear."


                Your concern with the topic only speaks of your addiction. laughing
  • Svarog
    Svarog April 23 2020 11: 07 New
    +2
    The project to launch missiles from the Sea Launch floating platform has been frozen indefinitely.
    According to Filev, the entire Sea Launch complex was delivered to Vladivostok, however, due to the coronavirus pandemic, a decision was made to freeze the program "until better times."

    Now everything will be written off for a pandemic. And this is not the last project to be frozen. Already the roads stopped being repaired, usually at this time there was a massive patching of holes .. Now there is silence.
    1. OLEG_ZOTOV
      OLEG_ZOTOV April 23 2020 11: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Svarog
      Already the roads stopped being repaired, usually at this time there was a massive patching of holes .. Now there is silence.


      But in Moscow, tiles are shifted fiercely. No coronavirus interferes.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira April 23 2020 11: 55 New
        +2
        Some ladies are allowed everything.
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi April 23 2020 12: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      Already the roads stopped being repaired, usually at this time there was a massive patching of holes .. Now there is silence.

      Gouging money from road funds is a fairy tale. Scary. Calculation usually occurred at the end of December. Prior to this - miserable handouts. And before you get earned, you need to invest your money. Hundreds lyam actually. Which, with extremely low profitability, generally makes an event called repair a little dubious in terms of benefits. And indistinguishable from stupid warehousing at the expense of. And now ... My ex, and my husband and the current office, handed over the volume of 20 lei without cents, and in principle, will not move until full payment. Something like this.
  • Grading
    Grading April 23 2020 11: 17 New
    +8
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Who would doubt it and why am I not surprised? Just wondering, is there a special? How Mach or, simply put --------------------- Who is to blame, then our beautiful rockets remain at the joke, and the con artist Musk is in grief.

    A fraudster, bankrupt and simply a technology thief does not doze off and multiplies emergency launches with unsatisfactors on a reusable unprofitable rocket. laughing
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 23 2020 11: 17 New
    +8
    That is, after some time, when the platform begins to rot due to lack of funding even for maintenance, the sea launch will be called unprofitable and useless, after which the platform will be cut into scrap metal, or given to the Chinese almost for nothing, at the price of scrap metal!
    1. Avior
      Avior April 23 2020 12: 02 New
      +2
      the Chinese will buy at the price of scrap metal, and then start launches from it
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 April 23 2020 12: 10 New
      11
      The Chinese have their own under LongMarsh11 / Kaijou1 / 11
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 23 2020 14: 38 New
      +1
      Most likely it will. As it was with the Soviet Tavkr and the same Buran.
  • Grass
    Grass April 23 2020 11: 23 New
    0
    What would be the same with this platform, what did not happen to Buran ((
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 23 2020 11: 24 New
    +7
    the parking fee for the launch platform and the control ship in the port, as well as for the use of port infrastructure is twice as high as it was off the US coast.

    If anyone is interested, this is exactly what a suitcase without a handle looks like.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa April 23 2020 12: 21 New
      +2
      Someone in Vladik Filev bent this fucking thing. I wonder who these "gypsies" are? Who is filling in the port "Slavyanka"? Why can't they be sent? There are a dozen ports in Primorye, and hundreds in the entire Far East, with Japanese, Koreans, etc. Why not just take and sail away? Many questions.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 April 23 2020 12: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: d4rkmesa
        Why can't you just take it and sail away?

        With such a badge "just take and swim away" is impossible.
        "A detachment was ambushed" ©.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 April 23 2020 11: 24 New
    +3
    "How to write off 20 years of incompetent government for a virus .." (c)
  • knn54
    knn54 April 23 2020 11: 28 New
    +2
    "His example to others is science" ...
  • ALARI
    ALARI April 23 2020 11: 30 New
    +3
    The project was stillborn from the very beginning. Why bought back is not clear. There is no rocket, it is based on the Far East, is there a technical or non-technical ability to service and maintain where to place personnel and platforms and ships? Launches no staff to fire, then where and for what money to recruit? More short questions than answers?
    1. Avior
      Avior April 23 2020 11: 58 New
      +4
      from the very beginning there were quite a chance
      the missile was, the Russian-Ukrainian Zenit, reliable and tested, they already made an order for it, in 2019 they could start active starts, 3-4 launches a year, only good people chopped off this order.
      What it was - support of the STATE domestic producer of the non-existent Soyuz-5 rocket, or the desire to besiege the Ukrainian Yuzhmash, or both, are embarrassed to say now, it turned out that in spite of the mom’s ears froze, losses and Roskosmos from losses on orders under Zenit, and S7 , these are generally in full flight.
      And something didn’t work out very well with Yuzhmash — they cooperated with Canadians and Americans, part of their staff went to Svetlyaki, which is not surprising, the offices are within walking distance.
      And why it was necessary to drive up the private S7 - now a complete misunderstanding
      hi
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 April 23 2020 12: 08 New
        +6
        That Roscosmos nebylo competition same.

        Svetlyakov, by the way, the coronovirus devoured a bit, and they left for 3-4 months with the first flight. But they signed a new contract for a couple of launches in 2021.

      2. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM April 23 2020 18: 18 New
        -3
        ... And why it was necessary to drive up the private S7 - now a complete misunderstanding ...
        Why get rotten? Their attitude to rockets as a spill of drinks has let them down.
        1. Avior
          Avior April 23 2020 19: 07 New
          -1
          At s7, by weight it was normal with this, they received a promise not to interfere with the purchase of Zeniths, but they threw them - they did not give permission
      3. Sniper Amateur
        Sniper Amateur April 24 2020 21: 44 New
        -2
        the rocket was, Russian-Ukrainian Zenit, reliable and tested

        Zenit launch statistics not confirms their "reliability" ... hi
  • Mayak-SH-7
    Mayak-SH-7 April 23 2020 11: 33 New
    -2
    Because it was sealed for Ukrainian Zenit-3SL missiles, which are not and will not be in Russia. When they scratch their turnips in Russia, at this time in Canada, they begin to build a cosmodrome for Ukrainian Cyclone-4M missiles. Ukraine, USA and Canada are taking part in the construction. The American company Maritime Launch Services undertakes the creation of the infrastructure, the development of the rocket - the Yuzhnoye design bureau, and its creation - the Yuzhmash plant. Now MLS is coordinating documentation on environmental requirements with the authorities, as well as forming a treasury to ensure the operation of the launch site.
    The spaceport will be located near the town of Kanso on the Atlantic coast, and the first launch of the rocket is scheduled for 2021. Within two years after this, MLS hopes to reach 8-12 annual launches at a cost of no more than $ 50 million.


    Cyclone-4M - a 39-meter with a diameter of 4 m, a two-stage medium-class rocket with a liquid engine; Designed for loading cargo into low and medium circular and elliptical near-Earth orbits, including solar-synchronous ones. If necessary, the launch of the International Space Station into orbit.

    The missile is created using the technologies and developments of previous missiles in the series - Zenit-2 and Cyclone. The marching stage runs on kerosene with liquid oxygen, the second uses heptyl and amyl. Starting weight - up to 274 tons. The developers assure that the Cyclone-4M will be able to put up to 3,7 tons into orbit with a height of 450 km or 3 tons - to a height of 1200 km with an inclination of the orbit of 87,4-87,9 degrees.

    "The implementation of the Cyclone-4M project will create new opportunities and give an additional impetus for the development of the rocket and space industry in Ukraine, improve the high-tech and investment attractiveness of the country," the KB writes. On account of "Yuzhny" / "Yuzhmash" - 876 successful rocket and space launches.
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian April 23 2020 11: 54 New
      +1
      given that the cyclone based on r-36, where a large share of Russian components, the project lasts from 2017, the price is constantly increasing in the best traditions of ukroraspil, then good luck ... by the way there are no rockets in the metal, only the layout)))
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      2. Mayak-SH-7
        Mayak-SH-7 April 23 2020 12: 14 New
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        development is underway, engine is being tested (successfully). "The rocket is created using the technologies and developments of the previous series of missiles - Zenit-2 and Cyclone", the article indicates that a rocket is being created, I see it hurt you, even climbed to look for info laughing , and sighed with relief as on the toilet having learned that while it is not in the metal laughing
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 12: 33 New
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          They have already built a Cyclone with Brazil, now they will build it with the USA and Canada, which do not have their own missiles. Yeah. Good luck.
          1. Mayak-SH-7
            Mayak-SH-7 April 23 2020 12: 42 New
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            Thank you for luck, everything will turn out! Do you want everything to work out in Ukraine, the USA and Canada? And on Brazil’s account, Brazil itself stated that it was freezing its part of the project, while Yuzhnoye and Yuzhmash completed their work by 87%, they came to the conclusion that this is a politicized action from the Russian Federation, since Brazil is included in the Brix. The Russian Federation does not like competitors.
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 13: 21 New
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              Thank you for luck, everything will turn out!

              Well, when did Ukraine fail? Did it ever happen?
              Do you want everything to work out in Ukraine, the USA and Canada?

              Everything is curlier and curlier than ideas. Of course we "want" you to succeed.
              And on Brazil’s account, Brazil itself stated that it was freezing its part of the project, while Yuzhnoye and Yuzhmash completed their work by 87%, they came to the conclusion that this is a politicized action from the Russian Federation, since Brazil is included in the Brix. The Russian Federation does not like competitors.

              Yeah. The famous hand of the Kremlin reached out. Hybrid war.
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 23 2020 11: 34 New
    +1
    At the same time, he emphasized that the fee for parking the launch platform and the control ship in the port, as well as for the use of port infrastructure, was twice as high as it was off the US coast.

    If you decide to rot, let them rot in America and save money, if only they would spend money and there are no ideas.
  • Avior
    Avior April 23 2020 11: 37 New
    +7
    What’s the pandemic here?
    There is no rocket for Sea Launch, what to launch?
    S7 ordered 12 Yuzhmash missiles for launches by 2023 for Ukraine, part of the money was paid, the order was fulfilled on Yuzhmash, they could have already started in 2019, but despite early promises, the Russian government banned cooperation with Yuzhmash, including the supply of components for Zenith, including first stage engine and more
    This carrier includes the RD-171 first-stage engine, second-stage combustion chamber, control system, and many other components, which are completely manufactured in Russia. In total, about 150 domestic enterprises are involved in cooperation. Their share in cost terms of the cost of the rocket is 80%. Fulfillment of the contract for 12 Zenit will bring half a billion dollars to Russian enterprises.

    https://iz.ru/689548/dmitrii-strugovetc/s7-gotova-vziat-v-kontcessiiu-rossiiskii-segment-mks
    But suddenly the government bans the supply of components for Zenit, and S7 terminates the contract with Yuzhmash, of course.
    Why did this happen?
    It's no secret, I just wanted to guarantee orders for Soyuz-5. Therefore, just in case, contacts with Yuzhmash chopped off.
    In September 2016, Vladimir Solntsev, President of RSC Energia, announced that the work schedule could be reduced to 5 years [56] if the project received additional financial support from the Russian company S7 Group. For this, the possibility of developing the Sunkar rocket in the version for use on the Sea Launch floating spaceport instead of the Ukrainian Zenit rocket, for which this floating spaceport is adapted, is being considered. In September 2016, a contract was signed and the 6-month procedure for the acquisition of Sea Launch by S7 Space began. Also on the same day, a cooperation contract was signed between S7 Group and RSC Energia [57]

    But Soyuz-5 was not there, it isn’t, and the Sea Launch cannot forever be a joke.
    hi
    1. Victorio
      Victorio April 23 2020 12: 53 New
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      Quote: Avior
      clear.

      ===
      https://ria.ru/20191009/1559564236.html?in=t
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 13: 24 New
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      But Soyuz-5 was not there, it isn’t, and the Sea Launch cannot forever be a joke.

      Your suggestions?
      1. Avior
        Avior April 23 2020 19: 09 New
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        It's too late to make suggestions, time to make conclusions
    3. slipped
      slipped April 23 2020 22: 29 New
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      Quote: Avior
      Why did this happen?


      Because Ukraine has severed all production ties.

      Quote: Avior
      But Soyuz-5 was not there, it isn’t, and the Sea Launch cannot forever be a joke.


      The launch date of Soyuz-5 is the 2023th year and it has not changed. They make a rocket.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 24 2020 00: 17 New
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        According to Zenit, nothing was torn, the gap was exclusively from the Russian side
        1. slipped
          slipped April 24 2020 00: 32 New
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          Quote: Avior
          According to Zenit, nothing was torn, the gap was exclusively from the Russian side


          STA? to remind Poroshenko's statements about "the residual simpler"? laughing
          1. Avior
            Avior April 24 2020 01: 04 New
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            There above everything was written with quotes and sources, who and why the joint production of Zenith broke.
            1. slipped
              slipped April 24 2020 01: 15 New
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              Quote: Avior
              There above everything was written with quotes and sources, who and why the joint production of Zenith broke.


              The joint production of Zenit was discontinued much earlier, in 2014. There was a hope that they would return at least the money previously paid for the completion of one of the last two missiles, but no, Yuzhmash referred to force majeure - they were expressly prohibited from supplying the missile, while Yuzhmash continued to ask Russia for money. By the way, they stupidly abandoned their satellite in Russia, built with Canadian money.
              And for the last launch of Zenit at the end of 17, Yuzhmash specialists came half-underground, trying not to light up in the camera.

              You wrote - "S7 ordered 12 missiles from Ukrainian Yuzhmash for launches until 2023." How could they "order" missiles that Yuzhmash itself DOESN'T PRODUCT? It was not an order, but a letter of intent. But the stone flower did not come out from S7 in the end.
              1. Avior
                Avior April 24 2020 08: 19 New
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                How could- you ask c7 how she did it.
                There are links and quotes again, c7 ordered the missiles, there was a contract and they were at the implementation stage, while their Russian side did not forbid
                1. slipped
                  slipped April 24 2020 13: 57 New
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                  Quote: Avior
                  until their Russian side banned


                  You do not understand? The Russian side stopped working on the rocket in response to the non-return of money for work already completed on order in 2014. And if there were doubts whether to continue or not continue the joint production, they evaporated by 2018, since it was decided to make a domestic replacement.

                  Filev made an agreement only on his own initiative.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior April 24 2020 14: 34 New
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                    Filev made an agreement only on his own initiative.

                    under the promise not to put wheels in the wheels of the government
                    he and the Sea Launch under this promise bought.
                    But they threw him ..... Twice ....
                    and at the same time, one and a half hundred Russian enterprises that could earn.
                    details above.
                    1. slipped
                      slipped April 24 2020 14: 41 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Avior
                      under the promise not to put wheels in the wheels of the government


                      Loaned? laughing

                      Quote: Avior
                      he and the Sea Launch under this promise bought.


                      "We believed you so, Comrade Stalin!" © not mine.

                      Quote: Avior
                      But they threw him ..... Twice ....


                      "You threw you! You .. did you ... throw? You!" © not mine.

                      Himself is not funny? laughing

                      Quote: Avior
                      and at the same time, one and a half hundred Russian enterprises that could earn. Details are higher.


                      And do not worry, the salary in the RCC is paid on time. And with a country where the national heroes are Bandera and Shukhevych, the enterprise has no business and will not.
  • georggy
    georggy April 23 2020 11: 46 New
    0
    To hell with us this junk?
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 23 2020 12: 07 New
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    Joint projects with the West, and even more so with Ukraine, do not seem promising under the current conditions.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 23 2020 12: 19 New
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      Well, I originally wrote, and what is the economy of all this ??? These are the advantages, in addition to any mantras, pulled to the equator and allowed to save fuel. Given the fact that overloads are now less and less.

      The initial economy was simple:
      - cosmodrome in the USA
      - companies can save on a bunch of documents, permits, since their load does not go outside the United States
      - cheap rocket, launch along optimal trajectories = eat almost the entire launch market

      However, in practice, only 2006 and 2008 came out to work out normally, with 5 launches. A couple of years almost, almost. The rest is a failure. And this is taking into account launches from the USA, without any sanctions and other SpaceX.

      What load will it now output at least 4-5 launches per year ??? Who is the customer? Why the customer will fly specifically to Sea Launch, and not to Baikonur or Vostochny, or even to Kura with Eurocredit for 7 years at a couple%? ???
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 23 2020 12: 15 New
    -1
    It is expected that a recession in the economy cannot but affect the space industry.
  • Mayak-SH-7
    Mayak-SH-7 April 23 2020 12: 31 New
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    Design Bureau "South" presented a line of four promising space launch vehicles of superheavy class. They are called Mayak and can be used to launch the Earth-Moon-Earth Ukrainian space transport system into orbit.

    So, the heaviest of all - Mayak-SH-7 - can put 125 tons of payload into orbit, Mayak-SH-6 - 109 tons, Mayak-SH-5 - 93 tons and Mayak-SH-3 - 59 tons. The numbers in the names of the missiles indicate the number of side blocks, RIA Novosti reports. In addition to Mayak missiles, the Ukrainian design bureau also introduced Cyclone family missiles.

    Currently, the world uses only one super-heavy rocket - the American Falcon Heavy from SpaceX. But in Russia, Yenisei and Don missiles are being developed, Chang Zheng-9 in China, and SLS and Big Falcon Rocket in the United States. At the end of February 2020, NASA head Jim Brydenstein announced that the American space agency was interested in attracting Ukraine to the exploration of the moon.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 13: 17 New
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      They stole the idea on the Hangar. And pass it off as yours. Take a look at the Angara missile range, one to one.
      1. Mayak-SH-7
        Mayak-SH-7 April 23 2020 13: 31 New
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        Where is it written that they stole, where did such conclusions come from, in the world, are there really no missiles similar to each other or what? Your Rogozin saw projects are of no interest to anyone, stop raving, you can’t even develop an engine from scratch, but use GlushKO’s best practices!
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 13: 50 New
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          Only for some reason, without Russian engines and components, Zenit does not fly, without those who
          you can’t even develop an engine from scratch, but use GlushKO’s best practices!
          .
          Here it is, Mikhalych.
          Rogozin sawing projects are not interesting to anyone, stop raving

          And who's raving here? Angara missiles are flying. And you have visually copied the line of Angara missiles from us, gave your name and are trying to prove something here.
          1. Mayak-SH-7
            Mayak-SH-7 April 23 2020 14: 32 New
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            Yes, Mikhalych, that's it! JSC NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko, attention "" named after academician V.P. Glushko "does this tell you something? And now we quickly ran to Wikipedia and got acquainted with the biography of Glushko, quickly! On arrival, I will report what you have learned! Let me remind you that NPO Energomash is a developer and manufacturer of powerful liquid-propellant rocket engines of the first stage for Russian and foreign launch vehicles for space purposes.
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 14: 39 New
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              quick! Upon arrival I will report on what they learned!

              Yeah. I got away. Do you have a stopwatch? On the start! March !!!
              JSC NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko, attention "" named after academician V.P. Glushko "does this tell you something? And now we quickly ran to Wikipedia and got acquainted with the biography of Glushko,

              Whose name is AntonOV aircraft company? Check out the biography of Antonov and, in general, his design bureau, taken from Novosibirsk to Kiev at the insistence of Khrushchev.
              1. Mayak-SH-7
                Mayak-SH-7 April 23 2020 14: 48 New
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                Crashed pilot, we are now talking about rocket science or aircraft engineering, as you shamefully jump with those, that's when the topic of airplanes will be, I will personally find and discuss you, since aircraft engineering bothers you so much, we’ll catch on a bit! The Russian SSJ-100 Superjet is where you are vaunted, the construction of which was covered with a copper basin due to sanctions since it was completely dependent on foreign components, while in Ukraine they completely made Ukrainian production from scratch without your Z / P AN-178.. Ukraine and Turkey agree on military assistance and supplies of AN-178
                1. Sky strike fighter
                  Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 15: 08 New
                  +1
                  Downed pilot

                  They haven’t come up with such a rocket yet, which could bring me down. You follow the words.
                  The Russian SSJ-100 Superjet, where is your vaunted one, the construction of which was covered with a copper basin due to sanctions, since it was completely dependent on foreign components,

                  Not covered. Sanctions are a myth. These are data for 2019.
                  What, after all, managed to release the KLA on a civil line? As usual, the main share of production was passenger aircraft SSJ 100, of which 19 were flown around.
                  https://vpk-news.ru/articles/56321
                  while in Ukraine, from scratch, completely Ukrainian-made without your Z \ P AN-178.

                  Without ours? Well, of course. Then they pulled it back in 2015, and after that for 5 whole years they cannot build a single aircraft without our components. Moreover, the An-178 is an experienced one, with a single number and a ton of foreign cargo to balance during flight .
                  1. Sniper Amateur
                    Sniper Amateur April 24 2020 21: 53 New
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                    "Russian Superjet SSJ-100 where is your vaunted, the construction of which was covered with a copper basin because of the sanctions, as it was completely dependent on foreign components"

                    Not covered. Sanctions are a myth. These are data for 2019.

                    "What did the UAC manage to produce on the civilian line? As usual, the bulk of the production was made up of SSJ 100 passenger aircraft, of which 19 were flown."

                    OK, google and look:
                    Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (GSS) did not fulfill the sales plan for the Sukhoi Superjet 100 for 2019. As of mid-December tocompany delivered one aircraft.

                    Read more at RBC:
                    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/17/12/2019/5df0d2679a7947c1824adb69

                    Need a comment?
                    1. Victorio
                      Victorio April 26 2020 20: 04 New
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                      Quote: Sniper Amateur
                      Read more at RBC:
                      https: //www.rbc.ru/politics/17/12/2019/5df0d2679a7947c1824adb69

                      Need a comment?

                      ====
                      need it! I also have an authoritative source. here more precisely https://aviation21.ru/superjet-100-itogi-2019-goda/
                      1. Sniper Amateur
                        Sniper Amateur April 27 2020 20: 01 New
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                        Well, what's there?
                        For the Russian regional SSJ100 aircraft, 2019 was not the most successful year - 18 aircraft were produced in a year and only six are transferred to the airline. The problems with the after-sales service of aircraft and the supply of spare parts became acute.

                        Of the 18 aircraft released in 2019, only two aircraft entered commercial operation

                        Tse peremoga! bully
                      2. Victorio
                        Victorio April 27 2020 20: 53 New
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                        Quote: Sniper Amateur
                        Well, what's there?

                        ===
                        Well, not the same: "As of mid-December, the company delivered one aircraft."
              2. slipped
                slipped April 24 2020 00: 42 New
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                Quote: Mayak-SH-7
                Russian Superjet SSJ-100 where is your vaunted one whose construction was covered with a copper basin due to sanctions


                Here. The 195th production Superjet made its first flight on March 4.



                And this is the recent regular test flight of the fourth MS-21

    2. Mayak-SH-7
      Mayak-SH-7 April 23 2020 14: 39 New
      -1
      American Falcon Heavy rocket, just don’t say that your hangar is not like it
      1. Leonid Batsura
        Leonid Batsura April 30 2020 16: 51 New
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        "Angara-A5" in ideology (conceptually), in the way of work is a copy of Delta 4 X. Although, in turn, Delta 4 X is a plagiarism of "Seven". With the difference that the "seven" engines are single-mode and constant thrust. And the central bank's tanks for fuel are made of a larger volume, which gives the central bank the opportunity to work after the separation of the BB. The Americans (Boeing) showed "creativity" and made the rocket engine dual-mode: 100% and 58%. At the "Angara-A5" RD 191 CB during the operation of the first stage, it throttles up to 30%, which achieves the fuel supply in the CB tanks of about 50% of the initial refueling for operation at the second stage
  • T.Henks
    T.Henks April 23 2020 14: 38 New
    +1
    In vain rejoice. Ust still NWF. Here they will pinch him. Bude and start and finish. Cry like other oligarchs.
  • T.Henks
    T.Henks April 23 2020 14: 48 New
    -1
    I read it to the end and realized that I got to the Ukrainian site.
  • 1536
    1536 April 23 2020 14: 51 New
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    Quote: Victor_B
    So, after all, there are no rockets for him.

    In my opinion, there is nothing else.
  • Semen Sychev
    Semen Sychev April 23 2020 19: 26 New
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    At the same time, he emphasized that the fee for parking the launch platform and the control ship in the port, as well as for the use of port infrastructure, was twice as high as it was off the US coast.

    Support for domestic business.
  • Dikson
    Dikson April 24 2020 00: 11 New
    +2
    Well, let him quickly quickly sell the platform to China .. or to the Hindus .. - there and closer to the equator, and there will be money for service .. And we will definitely saw it on pins and needles .. Most likely, S7 was just persistently asked to buy Sea Launch, in order to " neither to myself, nor to people "... There is no sense in launches from it in our Far East .. - it will be much cheaper from the notorious Vostochny .. It will not be possible to catch up with the Statesmen in launching small fry into space .. dumping will not work .. And judging by the recent an interview with the head of S7 on the resumption of international air transportation .. - "to comply with the rules of the game is more important now .." Guys .. it's him talking about the "global epidemic" .. As a result, the Russians will be released abroad according to his forecasts by the fall of the 21st .. God bless them, with tourists .. - and international cargo transportation ?! They are playing, you see .. So they beat S7 with Sea Launch .. Let him be glad that they didn’t offer tea in London .. You can talk a lot about the prospects of Russian cosmonautics .. and for a long time .. And about projects .. For them money is allocated well and spent in vain .. and most importantly - they are not looking for the guilty .. They defended the project, the money was written off - and everyone is fine ..
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 24 2020 04: 24 New
    +2
    How much stupidity and bungling will be "written off" on the coronavirus !!! Sell ​​it to the Chinese, they will have everything.
  • Sniper Amateur
    Sniper Amateur April 24 2020 21: 55 New
    -2
    Expected Finale ... negative
  • Leonid Batsura
    Leonid Batsura April 30 2020 16: 41 New
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    The previous one has been deleted. There is such a rocket! This rocket is "Proton-M"