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Syria has too many weird pistols

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It would seem that in the world there are so many excellent and high-quality infantry weaponsin particular pistols, that it is impossible to see anything new or unusual in the hands of Syrian militants. But it turns out that their weapons can surprise even specialists.


This was written by expert Charlie Gao for the American edition of National Interest.

He talks about pistols, which are practically unknown to specialists who are superficially familiar with the situation in Syria, but are widespread in Syria itself.

Of course, the Syrian gangs are armed with weapons of world famous manufacturers. In particular, even the militants of the odious terrorist organization IS (banned in the Russian Federation) willingly use pistols made in the USA, Belgium, Austria, Germany or Croatia.

But often the solid and well-established Austrian Glock, terrorists from various groups prefer the unknown Delta Defense Group pistol marked "Made by DDG". Its main advantages are reliability and low cost.

It was not difficult for specialists to determine that this gun is a modification of the Czechoslovak model CZ-75, which was popular all over the world. The gunsmiths of several countries even took it as a basis, often using cheaper materials for production. Among them was the Israeli factory BUL. And interestingly, an unknown manufacturer's DDG is exactly identical to the Israeli BUL Cherokee. The difference is only in the labeling.

At first glance, it seems strange that the Israeli brand, sold around the world, suddenly decided to rebrand for Syria. But if you think about it, then everything falls into place. It is possible that this was done at the request of the recipient, who did not want to advertise the purchase of weapons in Israel, as an ideological "fighter for the faith."

Actually, when observing the oddities of the weapons of the Syrian militants, the Soviet army expression is recalled: "uniform number eight: what is stolen is what we wear."

Indeed, in Syria you can find quite unexpected samples of pistols. Some of them were demonstrated last year at an exhibition in Yekaterinburg. It presented trophy weapons brought from Syria, previously owned by militants. Among other things, at the exhibition one could see samples of home-made pistols assembled from improvised parts, pistols that were armed with the Wehrmacht during the Great Patriotic War. But the most, perhaps, the most interesting exhibit was an English revolver as early as 1878.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 23 2020 11: 31 New
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    pistols, armed with the Wehrmacht during the Great Patriotic War. But the most, perhaps, the most interesting exhibit was an English revolver as far back as 1878.

    Interesting girls are dancing!

    But, I think, their amer friends well supply them with modern models.

    and these for show-offs ......
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 23 2020 12: 13 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      pistols, armed with the Wehrmacht during the Great Patriotic War. But the most, perhaps, the most interesting exhibit was an English revolver as far back as 1878.

      Interesting girls are dancing!

      But I think they are well supplied modern models amerskie friends.

      and these for show-offs ......

      and than fundamentally differ revolvers / pistols / machine guns / rifles of this year of release - for example, issued 50 years ago?
      Out of the whole range of modern weapons, one Glock got out due to polymers and all ...
      All modernization depended on the levels of body kits, no more ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 23 2020 12: 20 New
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        Quote: your1970
        and how are the fundamentally different revolvers / pistols / machine guns / rifles of this year of release - from, for example, those released 50 years ago?

        Security.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 23 2020 12: 40 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Quote: your1970
          and how are the fundamentally different revolvers / pistols / machine guns / rifles of this year of release - from, for example, those released 50 years ago?

          Security.
          and what safer pistol released 50 years ago and removed from storage - new ??
          The Browning Auto-5 hunting rifle has been produced for 95 years. Until now, having appeared in the commissions, it goes away if sellers do not send the client immediately to the right buyer. Moreover, the price tag is not humane enough. There was an article on VO https://topwar.ru/96270- read samozaryadnoe-ruzhe-browning-auto-5.html reviews there. People enjoy hunting with a 1929 gun ...

          Z. If hammering nails with a gun, do not lubricate and clean once in a lifetime (at the factory !!) - naturally, such a gun will not be safe ...
          So if you start from this position, any weapon (even yesterday released !!) having been in the hands of the Arabs for a couple of days becomes dangerous for its owner
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 23 2020 15: 29 New
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            Quote: your1970
            and the safer the pistol released 50 years ago and removed from storage - the new ??

            Of course nothing!

            The mortar is cleaned, collected. After 40 minutes, the target arrives. Instead of the first shot, a mortar gap. Guess once, what reason was indicated? That's right, double loading. To be calmer. Not to write what someone decided to save by sending PM-43 to the area
            1. Jager
              Jager April 24 2020 12: 41 New
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              This is from a crooked calculation, what does the mortar have to do with it?
              Why is PPS-43 worse than modern analogues, except ergonomics?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 24 2020 12: 46 New
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                Quote: Jager
                This is from a crooked calculation, what does the mortar have to do with it?

                Of course nothing to do with it. When necessary, and one mine is able to recharge twice ...
                The calculation did not work, they remained alive.
                So a paradoxical situation has created - it seems to be double loading, which led to the mortar rupture, but the calculation is not to blame. For I managed to charge only one mine
                1. Jager
                  Jager April 24 2020 14: 09 New
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                  Double loading as a pregnancy - it is either there or not. If the mortar ammunition was the same age as the mortar - and then there are no complaints about the mortar itself, ammunition can only be used during the expiration date. The higher the age, the more dangerous and unstable the projectile or mine becomes.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov April 24 2020 14: 41 New
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                    Quote: Jager
                    Double loading as a pregnancy - it is either there or not.

                    The secret does not exist.
                    But it is. To whitewash the asses of those who made the decision to save. Only 6 mortars came into the division, two of them were torn apart.
                    Not a single case of rupture / double loading was observed in the standard 82-mm "Trays"

                    Quote: Jager
                    If the ammunition for the mortar was the same age as the mortar - and then there are no complaints about the mortar itself

                    Old ammunition has been shot for a very long time
          2. Simargl
            Simargl April 23 2020 17: 24 New
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            Quote: your1970
            - And what is safer than a pistol released 50 years ago and removed from storage - new?
            Constructively. No?
            In addition, the cartridges become more powerful.
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 23 2020 22: 30 New
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              Quote: Simargl
              Quote: your1970
              - And what is safer than a pistol released 50 years ago and removed from storage - new?
              Constructively. No?

              1) Example the new can you bring designs under 50 years old? all principles are developed before WWII. Glock is the only one out of the general row
              Quote: Simargl
              In addition, the cartridges become more powerful.

              2) for example, which cartridges are becoming more powerful? .45 AKP, 9mm parabellum, 7,62 TTshny and all the variations around them like "let's extend the sleeve by 1 mm"? Where are these cartridges in mass use? One and a half people from the security forces saw them ...
              and here we are talking about massive weapons used not only by paramilitary or even non-military organizations, but also by Arabs ...

              Quote: Spade
              To be calmer. Not to write what someone decided to save by sending PM-43 to the area
              -completely the old used AK in Afghanistan (up to AK-74).
              In Kushka, in my artillery regiment (1988), there were D-1 models of 1943 (1947), shooting regularly and in many ways. As long as there was OKSvA, the regiment was training and there were a lot of shooting.
              In OPTADn there were BS - 3 (1950g.v) - but they rarely fired
              D-30 of the first years and 2C3 - in general, zero can be said were against their background lol
              So the old age of weapons is such an ephemeral thing ...
              1. Simargl
                Simargl April 24 2020 03: 45 New
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                Quote: your1970
                Can you give an example of a new design under 50? All principles are developed before WWII. Glock is the only one out of the general row
                This is not a VK without the ability to format text - you can not number.
                In fact, almost all locking systems (if you are talking about this) and USM were invented before the Second World War (part of which is the Great Patriotic War).
                Glock is, to a vantage point, the Browning locking system, where the earring is replaced with a carbon groove, and the hook with the barrel is not made with complex grooves, but through the ejection window (Colt 1911 and earlier Browning, i.e. 1900 +/- year) , and USM Roth-Steyer (Roth-Steyr M1907).
                So with Glock, this is exactly what I had in mind: new technologies and materials, a new concept of safety devices. In automation - rather GSh-18, Kriss vector and ... Desert Eagle.

                Quote: your1970
                for example, which cartridges are becoming more powerful?
                Here is the same 9x19, at least. The energy growth of the shot is about 2 times. Plus gunpowder a little faster.
                .45 is the same.
                7,62x25 - practically not used (almost no new weapons, but not in Russia).

                Quote: your1970
                quite old used AK in Afghanistan
                At the beginning of the Afghan there, and wicks were seen.

                Quote: your1970
                So the old age of weapons is such an ephemeral thing ...
                Well, let's arrange a shootout: you are with a nuclear iron, and I - with a rifled, a little smaller caliber. Distance - kilometer.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 April 24 2020 21: 22 New
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                  Quote: Simargl
                  Quote: your1970
                  quite old used AK in Afghanistan
                  Early afghan there and wick have seen.

                  Wick - in the Soviet army in OKSVA ????? Wow ..... lol
                  My PM in 1995 was 1970, were in a platoon of 1967. Shooting twice a week on average 2 clips at a time ....
                  Quote: Spade
                  With a brand new barrel at the age of five?
                  - you will be shocked, but no. Really, sooooooooo old guns. They (D-1) were not even in repairs - I copied passports in some kind of notebook from KD-1, there were clean passports ..
                  Moreover, it was only in 1989 (after the withdrawal of troops) that the ReADN was reequipped to Grad newer diesel engines from ancient gasoline
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl April 24 2020 21: 33 New
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                    Quote: your1970
                    Wick - in the Soviet army in OKSVA?
                    Build a jester?
                    I wrote "seen", not "used".
                    Quote: your1970
                    My PM in 1995 was 1970, were in the platoon of 1967.
                    So what? PM - the highest point of pistol? Inconvenient - wild. Even the rubber squirrel kicks harder than any 9x19 with a locking system.
                    New 9x18 armor-piercing cartridges destroy old pistols very quickly.
                    controls clumsy and / or uncomfortable.
                    Those. this example confirms in everything what I said above.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 April 24 2020 21: 45 New
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                      Quote: Simargl
                      So what? PM - the highest point of pistol? Inconvenient - wild. Even the rubber squirrel kicks harder than any 9x19 with a locking system.

                      And nothing!!! Absolutely nothing!!!
                      If you NOT noticed - it was a discussion with Lopatov!!! And not with you !!!!!
                      The issue of using in the army was discussed with him. OLD weapons !!!!
                      It is for this and shared the answers, responding to specific individuals.

                      With you on the topic of new principles in weapons, I NOT debated and did not intend to !! You yourself answered:
                      Quote: Simargl
                      In fact, almost all locking systems (if you’re talking about this) and USM are invented before World War II

                      What I wrote above:
                      Quote: your1970
                      all principles are developed before WWII.
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl April 25 2020 05: 33 New
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                        Quote: your1970
                        If you did NOT notice, it was a discussion with Lopatov !!!
                        If you want no one to wedge in - there is "private".

                        Quote: your1970
                        The question of using the OLD weapon in the army was discussed with him !!!!
                        This "army" and "old" is a very voluminous and interesting topic, actually.

                        Quote: your1970
                        What I wrote above:
                        The difference is small, but there is a nuance in the form of "almost".
                        In addition to automation systems, there are materials, technologies, ergonomics.
                        What do you take for yourself - submarine or TT?
                        And what will you use in the database? Boa constrictor, submarine, TT, PM?
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 April 25 2020 21: 30 New
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                        Quote: Simargl
                        And what will you use in the database? Boa constrictor, submarine, TT, PM?
                        -and in the database I will use 2C3 and Grad repeat - in accordance with the military academy of military ... and state AK-74 ...

                        And if it tightly cuts, then the PM will be quite enough, I did a good job with it, and the cartridges, like "in a shoe polish factory !!" © Prostokvashino
                        I got into the triangle "eyes + nose" when shooting on the move (I don't remember the exercise number, alas) from 50 to 25 meters regularly - I never cleaned the shooting range (I had such a punishment lol )
                  2. Bobrovsky
                    Bobrovsky April 25 2020 10: 45 New
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                    When this is written, then this is the first sign not of a crooked and incorrect PM, but of crooked and inept hands.
                    1. Simargl
                      Simargl April 25 2020 17: 45 New
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                      Quote: Bobrovsky
                      the sign is not a crooked and incorrect PM, but crooked and inept hands
                      Those. You claim that I am wrong and the PM accuracy is higher than that of the same SIG P228 ?! Are you claiming that the PM is not stronger than the same SIG P228 "kicks" (the barrel moves away from the line of sight)?
                      Or, nevertheless, a lock comparable in mass and a much stiffer spring makes itself felt?
                      Inept hands? I shot a lot. True, a lot - only 5,6 mm ...
            2. Mikhalych
              Mikhalych April 24 2020 09: 38 New
              +1
              Hello land, albeit a younger one. I traveled with the batik to the floor of Turkmenistan from 1951 to 1960: Charshanga, Kakh-Ka, Kerki, Takhta Bazaar (translated as the valley of snakes). The word bazaar (market) means, I believe, a viper-snake. He visited Mary, Ashgabat and Kushka. In 1960, settled in Vilnius, where since then I have lived my life.
              soldier
              1. your1970
                your1970 April 24 2020 22: 04 New
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                Kushka changed from 60s to 88mu much, I looked at old photos in Odnoklassniki. There is a photographer who brought old photos of Kushki to a cool look
                In my time, Takhta Bazaar was called "Takhta - Paris", I don't know why repeat
            3. Jager
              Jager April 24 2020 12: 46 New
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              An attentive weapon lover will notice in Syria and ZiS-3, ZiS-2 in service with storage.
              Unlike ammunition, "iron" practically does not get tired when properly stored.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 24 2020 14: 44 New
                +1
                Quote: Jager
                An attentive gun lover will notice in Syria and ZiS-3

                I shot them myself. Trunks are brand new, brand new recoil.
                ZiS-2, ZiS-3, D-44 and M-30 are substitute guns. Those whose condition is maintained at the proper level.
                1. Jager
                  Jager April 25 2020 13: 40 New
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                  And how did the feeling touch History?
            4. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 24 2020 12: 48 New
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              Quote: your1970
              In Kushka, in my artillery regiment (1988), there were D-1 models of 1943

              With a brand new barrel at the age of five?
        2. Bobrick
          Bobrick April 23 2020 22: 43 New
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          The hardened state is thermodynamically unstable, therefore, at elevated storage temperatures for 50-100 years, the barrel and / or chamber will become less durable (even without storage conditions, with violations, in high humidity and at large temperature differences, even 20 years can greatly reduce the strength of the weapon )
          If we add to this the harsh conditions of combat operation (a couple of heatings above 100..150 degrees, dust, etc.) and modern high-speed cartridges, then after half the spent resource the weapon may become unsafe.
          1. your1970
            your1970 April 23 2020 23: 11 New
            +5
            Quote: Bobrick
            then after half of the spent resource, a weapon may become unsafe.

            I will tell you more from my 1988-90 service:
            "We have a fighter on guard in the KTurkVO (it was possible to shoot without straining while the troops were in the DRA) fired once, the primer slammed, there was no shot, the bullet in the barrel, twitched, fired again, there was no shot again. .vault swollen ...
            To the question, you didn’t understand what was there two bullets remained in the trunk? !!!!!!
            - And I thought the shot would push them out and that's it ..... "
            With such fighters ANYONE weapons are crushed a million times faster than "half of the spent resource"

            Z. Z. Times were simple - the nachkar shot the eagle along the back with this machine gun and Sanya slept exclusively on his stomach for a month repeat lol

            I remembered now about mortars - someone said that the 82mm war years of release were in the Small Infantry. And there were also "Mauser" in the divisional warehouses - we were dragging them .. The warehouse department said "they wanted to send the special forces to AFgan, but changed their minds" ...
            and Maxim was there, but these are just in storage. Well, you are mine - what a car it is !! beast and death in his eyes ...
            1. Bobrick
              Bobrick April 23 2020 23: 38 New
              +1
              In 2019, they appointed a sapper of a freelance sapper department (service 2018-2019 ZVO) and in this case they issued an IMP-1 mine detector that was removed from storage.
              For the first time I saw "live" rusty aluminum.
              The mine detector itself worked very poorly from souring contacts.

              A little more than 50 years have passed, and the device is almost no longer working.
              Of course, weapons are much more reliable in this regard, but 50 years are almost three generations.
              1. Jager
                Jager April 24 2020 12: 51 New
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                So a) it was stored incorrectly - silumin or low-quality aluminum decomposes from exposure to moisture, salt and temperature extremes b) certain types of electronics have their own service life c) they are usually sorted out before using old things. At work, old Soviet ammeters, voltmeters, resistance sets, and other measuring equipment are still in use. They are serviced on time, but some have long exceeded 50 years.
                Even a car’s engine without proper storage becomes unusable relatively quickly.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 23 2020 11: 34 New
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    Why vi tg'avite?
  • alone
    alone April 23 2020 11: 37 New
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    Syria is such a country .... There are a lot of strange things .. not only pistols
  • Victorio
    Victorio April 23 2020 11: 40 New
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    I recall the Soviet army expression: “uniform number eight - what we stole is what we wear.”
    ======
    form number eight - what leftthen we wear
    1. sedoj
      sedoj April 23 2020 17: 25 New
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      Quote: Victorio
      I recall the Soviet army expression: “uniform number eight - what we stole is what we wear.”
      ======
      form number eight - what remains is what we wear

      Something I will not recall during the Union of such a saying. Is it not from the couch?
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    2. Simargl
      Simargl April 23 2020 17: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Victorio
      form number eight - what remains is what we wear
      "stole"- this is for the militants (banned in the Russian Federation).
    3. The popuas
      The popuas April 24 2020 05: 42 New
      +1
      Uniform number eight-greatcoat tucked into underpants soldier
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 23 2020 11: 41 New
    +1
    It’s just that the armies are in support of the states and the terrorists are in self-sufficiency, because they themselves do something, steal or buy at a cheap price.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio April 23 2020 13: 01 New
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      Quote: sanik2020
      It’s just that the armies are in support of the states and the terrorists are in self-sufficiency, because they themselves do something, steal or buy at a cheap price.

      ====
      well no. I wrote this in terms of how negatively about the Soviet past is firmly driven into the brains of current generations, and where it was (really) and where it was not.
  • ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 April 23 2020 11: 46 New
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    Why did I read this? I thought the author will give a number of examples, photographs. The article is not about anything.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 23 2020 12: 08 New
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      So there’s a photograph of some wonderful Revolver, I can’t even name the model. As for the rest: well, Cesetta 75, you never saw him unless the Israeli BUL is his copy, they are everywhere, on any military resource.
      1 / Chezette 75

      2 / Israeli BUL

      But the workmanship of the Czechs is much higher.
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev April 23 2020 13: 54 New
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        BUL is an exact copy of the Italian pistol "Tanfolio", licensed.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish April 24 2020 00: 12 New
          +3
          Is the Tanfolio a copy of the CZ-75? Well, look;

          Tanfoglio T95 "Standart" / "Combat"
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev April 24 2020 13: 10 New
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            No. This is a remake of Italian requirements. There are few differences, but they are.
      2. Freeman
        Freeman April 23 2020 14: 01 New
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        Sea Cat (Constantine) Today, 12: 08
        So there’s a photograph of some wonderful Revolver, I’m at a loss even to name the model


        For the "cover photo" - to the author "minus". I could have found a photo of the revolver in question on the Internet.
        And so, I followed the path of modern "designers", molding photos of soldiers and equipment of the Wehrmacht on posters dedicated to Victory Day.

        Here is this "English revolver already produced in 1878".
        True, judging by the accompanying "label", and here it was not without "victims of the exam".


        https://www.ural.kp.ru/daily/26998.4/4059032/?ref=tjournal.ru


        Shl. Based on context and label, this is a Webley Mk IV (Mark IV)
        / http://weaponland.ru/load/revolver_webley_mk_iv_mark_iv/129-1-0-792 /
        But more like Webley Mk I (Mark I)
        / http://weaponland.ru/load/revolver_webley_mk_i_mark_i/129-1-0-788 /

        ZY.ZY. I'm not an expert, let those who are "in the subject" try to define more precisely.
        1. Alexey Lobanov
          Alexey Lobanov April 23 2020 15: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: Freeman
          ZY.ZY. I'm not an expert, let those who are "in the subject" try to define more precisely.

          Yeah. Not an expert. The photo shows a Swiss revolver from 1882. How to confuse it with Whibley's "break"? "The victim of the exam"? :))))))
          1. Freeman
            Freeman April 23 2020 16: 34 New
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            Alexey Lobanov (Alexey) Today, 15:50
            The photo shows a Swiss revolver from 1882. How to confuse it with Whibley's "break"?


            The revolver in the photo in the article has nothing to do with the "Syrian trophy", or rather, the weapon that was mentioned in the press.
            I brought a photo of that sample. that was shown at the trophy exhibition. and was mentioned in the press as - "British revolver, released in the XIX century."
            Or, like the author of the article - "an English revolver as early as 1878".
            And he asked to identify the weapon in the photo I cited.

            Threat. If you are an expert, then what kind of weapon in my photo?
            1. "Original"

            2. Webley Mk I (Mark I)


            3.Webley Mk IV (Mark IV)


            ZY.ZY. MK IV has an additional "latch" on the fracture axis, which is not on MK I, and on the "label" part of the inscription is visible - "MK-4".
            1. Alexey Lobanov
              Alexey Lobanov April 23 2020 17: 12 New
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              In the photo titled "Original" there is no doubt Mk4, even an inexperienced "viewer" will pay attention to the trigger guard, it is very different for Mk4 and Mk1 (and even rework Mk1 **). Don't thank.
              1. Freeman
                Freeman April 23 2020 17: 29 New
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                Quote: Alexey Lobanov
                The photo titled "Original" is definitely Mk4, even an inexperienced "viewer" will pay attention to the trigger guard, it is very different for Mk4 and Mk1 (and even alterations of Mk1 **). Do not give thanks.


                Thanks for clarifying. hi
                1. Freeman
                  Freeman April 23 2020 17: 48 New
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                  UPD. Really MK 4.
                  It is a pity that I did not immediately guess with the light and contrast to "play".
                  The characteristic latch immediately became visible.
      3. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka April 23 2020 22: 12 New
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        So there’s a photograph of some wonderful Revolver, I can’t even name the model. As for the rest: well, Cesetta 75, you never saw him unless the Israeli BUL is his copy, they are everywhere, on any military resource.
        1 / Chezette 75

        2 / Israeli BUL

        But the workmanship of the Czechs is much higher.

        And where is the livolvert, behind the elephant ???
      4. Revolver
        Revolver April 25 2020 03: 35 New
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        Cesetta 75

        Czechs make weapons like a maid of easy virtue gives, to everyone and everyone who pays. And for Austria-Hungary did, and for Hitler, and for the Warsaw Treaty. Israel was supplied in 1948. Now they are doing it for NATO, but they will not abhor Allah Babahs if they pay.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish April 25 2020 14: 39 New
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          And someone does it differently? Our manufacturers sell to whom? "Money doesn't smell."
      5. Bobrovsky
        Bobrovsky April 25 2020 10: 49 New
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        In the photo at the beginning of the article, one of the types of Nagan, I met such.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish April 25 2020 14: 41 New
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          If it’s no secret, where did you meet, and what year is the model?
    2. Avior
      Avior April 23 2020 12: 21 New
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      Well, you're like a child, by golly.
      An article about Israel secretly supplying gunmen with guns. smile
      The anonymous author seems to have stumbled upon an article three months ago from the National Interest, and so he made a new one out of it.
      Here is this article
      https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/what-%E2%80%9Cdelta-defense-group%E2%80%9D-and-who-keeps-sending-secret-guns-syria-114441
      And to get more intrigue, I did not mention the subtlety that this "Delta Defense Group" officially, legally and legally supplies these pistols to Iraq and to the Arab markets in general.
      Bul Armory weapons are sold legally around the world under the Bul brand, including in Europe, America and Asia, so it is unclear why they were renamed the “Delta Defense Group”. It is possible that they were renamed the Delta Defense Group for sale in the Arab market without reference to an Israeli company. According to the Silah Report, pistols were legally brought into Iraq before they entered the black market, so it is unlikely that they were renamed for illegal purposes.

      Regarding firing characteristics, end users interviewed by Silah Report said that Delta Defense Group pistols had good firing characteristics compared to Ukrainian Fort-14PP pistols and Russian MP-446 pistols, also present in the region. It is also likely to outperform the Chinese Norinco NP-20 due to its more ergonomic handle shape. At the same time, it is unlikely that pistols are better than other modern pistols, such as Glocks ...

      hi
      1. Lekov L
        Lekov L April 23 2020 13: 36 New
        +4
        By the way, here they are modern pistols of the Delta Defense Group, not quite "clean" chasetes - have modernized.

        and yes, the news in the article has been "lingering" since last year, although if we discard the political fan component, due to which the site already "smells", then the information is quite interesting, thanks.
        PS there is a marking on the photo.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 23 2020 12: 08 New
    +6
    And you take any hot spot and go through the armament of the fighters - you can also see a lot of interesting things. From revolvers of the early 20th century, 1MV rifles (many of which participated in 2MV) to machine guns, which have a place in the museum. At first, our fighters even met 19th-century karamultuk in Afghanistan. With the world (yard) on a thread ...
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 23 2020 12: 08 New
    +2
    In Syria, there are still German Sturmgever 44 assault rifles.
    1. Altona
      Altona April 23 2020 12: 16 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      In Syria, there are still German Sturmgever 44 assault rifles.

      --------------------
      From Israeli warehouses? Which could have been there since the war of independence of 1945-47.
      PS Then Israel was delivered weapons of defeated Nazi Germany.
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 April 23 2020 12: 17 New
        0
        It seems to be from the GDR, where this machine was armed with police.
      2. Freeman
        Freeman April 23 2020 12: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: Altona
        Quote: Pavel57
        In Syria, there are still German Sturmgever 44 assault rifles.

        --------------------
        From Israeli warehouses?


        The "network" writes that they fell into the hands of militants from the warehouses of the Syrian army — about 5000 StG 44 Sturmgewehr rifles were seized by terrorists from Syrian warehouses in the early days of the war.

        1. hohol95
          hohol95 April 23 2020 13: 19 New
          +3
          They took it. And with the cartridges, how was the situation with these remnants of the Third Reich? Enough for all 5 thousand?
          1. Freeman
            Freeman April 23 2020 13: 41 New
            +6
            Quote: hohol95
            They took it. And with the cartridges, how was the situation with these remnants of the Third Reich? Enough for all 5 thousand?

            Cartridges of 7,92 × 33 mm are still produced in Serbia for the civilian market.
            In addition, they could come from Turkey and Iraq.
        2. krillon
          krillon April 23 2020 23: 02 New
          0
          Is it original or remake? They write that at the end of the war, the very Volkssturm was almost armed with shotguns.
          1. Freeman
            Freeman April 23 2020 23: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Krillon
            Is it original or remake? They write that at the end of the war, the very Volkssturm was almost armed with shotguns.

            But who knows?
            After World War II, they were made in small batches in several countries. There is a wiki about this.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver April 25 2020 03: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Krillon
            at the end of the war, the very Volkssturm was almost armed with shotguns.

            At the end of the war in Germany there was such a mess, which even in the USSR in 1941 was not close. Communication, management, logistics are completely broken. It could well be that a couple of kilometers from the place where the Volkssturmists were handed shotguns from complete poverty and hopelessness, Stg44 boxes in factory grease were in all the forgotten and listed bombed areas, and the capter was dozing, without orders to issue them. After the war, there were so many German weapons that they armed Czechoslovakia, France, Spain, and even Israel and the Arab countries got it.
            And in Japan, finally soldiers until the 1960s fought in the jungle on the godforsaken islands, because the ceasefire order did not reach.
      3. alone
        alone April 23 2020 12: 37 New
        +1
        weapons of the Reich used and the Arab countries.
      4. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev April 23 2020 13: 30 New
        +4
        Israel bought weapons wherever possible to circumvent the embargo. From German weapons, Israeli fighters got MP-40, MG-34, Mauser rifles and a couple of dozen German guns of various calibers, purchased in different countries from Mexico to Yugoslavia. But "Sturmgevers", "Shtugi" and "Panzer" went to Syria.
        1. Altona
          Altona April 23 2020 13: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Israel bought weapons wherever possible to circumvent the embargo. From German weapons, Israeli fighters got MP-40, MG-34, Mauser rifles

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          That's why I asked the question, because in historical photos I saw only the weapons you listed. Thank you for enlightening.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev April 23 2020 13: 56 New
            +3
            And the war for independence we had here in 1947-49. Until May 15, 1948 with Arab gangs, then against the armies of the five Arab states.
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 April 23 2020 17: 35 New
              +3
              Does it mean that the British troops in Palestine failed to "wring out" anything?
              Doubtful!
              And who stole two (instead of four) Mk VIII Cromwell tanks?
              At the same time, the guys from "Hagana" could not start their two tanks, and the other two tanks were hijacked for you by Sergeant Mike Flanagen (Irish by origin) with his like-minded Sergeant Harry McDonald!
              From German weapons, Israeli fighters got MP-40, MG-34, Mauser rifles and a couple of dozen German guns of various calibers, purchased in different countries from Mexico to Yugoslavia.

              Yes, it did not go, but it was acquired by you!
              The financing of these purchases was made possible thanks to the American voyage of Golda Meir. In her memoirs, she writes: “We urgently needed a weapon - if we can find someone who wants to sell it to us; but before that we needed money - and not the small money for which we planted greenery or transported refugees into it, but millions of dollars. All over the world there was only one group of people from whom, perhaps, one could get these dollars: American Jews. There was nowhere else and no one to turn to. ”
              The ride was hard. Everywhere, Gold Meir was escorted by FBI agents who complied with a British intelligence request to prevent fundraising. Nevertheless, the future "mother of the state of Israel" managed to collect an incredible amount for those times - 50 million dollars.
              12 million of them went to purchase weapons from Czechoslovakia. As a result of these deliveries, Israel received, according to some reports, Czech-made 1924 Mauser magazine rifles and 98k German Mauser carbines, single machine guns MG.34 and MG.42, machine guns ZB-53 (MG.37t). At the time of independence, Palestinian Jews received about 25 thousand rifles, more than 5 thousand light machine guns and single machine guns, 200 machine guns, more than 54 million rounds and 22 Messerschmitt Bf.109 aircraft.

              For that time, we bought so well from the Czechs!
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev April 23 2020 19: 12 New
                +3
                MG-42 in Israel did not meet until 1967, when they were taken as trophies in Syria. ZB-53 is still a Czech weapon, and I was talking about a German one. The S-199 Avia, although created on the basis of the Messerschmitt, was much inferior to the original for many reasons. By the way, 24 planes were purchased, but only 22 reached Israel. And again, it was about German weapons, so two Cromwells, a couple of thousand stolen Lee-Enfield rifles, a dozen and a half PIAT anti-tank grenade launchers and others I do not mention a set of various small arms stolen, bought and obtained in other ways (or produced by the Jews themselves clandestinely). By the way, the German weapons purchased in Czechoslovakia arrived in Israel after the declaration of independence, when the regular armies of Arab countries invaded the Jewish state.
                1. Roman_vh
                  Roman_vh April 23 2020 21: 42 New
                  +1
                  The regular armies of the Arab countries are still an oxymoron, and even at that time.
                  1. Zeev Zeev
                    Zeev Zeev April 23 2020 22: 43 New
                    +3
                    And at that time, Israel had four tanks, a couple of dozen cannons and two squadrons of combat aircraft. This is at the end of the war, after numerous purchases of weapons. The Arabs had hundreds of tanks, dozens of aircraft and good artillery. From the first day of the war they bombed Tel Aviv, demolished Jewish villages by artillery and launched an offensive with the support of armored vehicles.
                    1. hohol95
                      hohol95 April 23 2020 22: 58 New
                      +3
                      Anglo-Jewish War 1938-1948
                      Andrey Zelev
                      In connection with the exacerbation of Arab terror in 1936-1938, voluntary police units were created, led by Yeshua Gordon. Also formed 60 groups of mobile patrols - 400 militants in semi-armored vehicles, which became the shock force of the Jewish battalions.

                      Did these "guys" ride home-made armored cars with slingshots?
                      1. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 24 2020 09: 02 New
                        +2
                        These guys were British police dedicated to fighting Arab gangs.
                      2. hohol95
                        hohol95 April 24 2020 09: 10 New
                        0
                        Have you served Her Majesty?
                        Salaries from the British received and weapons?
                        Or were they some kind of local DND (voluntary combatants)?
                        And these "guys" were on the balance sheet of Her Majesty?
                        For the war with the invaders (British and Arabs), the Jews created a number of military groups (which sometimes started a war among themselves, since there was no unity between Jews even then), such as Haganah (`defense`,` protection`), Lehi (Lohamey Herut Yisrael, `Fighters for the freedom of Israel`), Beitar, etc. In 1931, the ETsEL group (Irgun Tsvai Leumi), led by Tikholi, broke away from the Hagana. set its task in an active struggle against the Arabs. ETZEL was inspired by Zeev Jabotinsky.
                      3. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 24 2020 13: 04 New
                        +3
                        No, I understand that it’s difficult to search and read for yourself ... Well, okay, I’ll grow up.
                        After the pogroms of 1929, an underground organization was created to protect the Jewish population (the British did not particularly protect the Jewish population, preferring to simply deport the Jews, as happened in Gaza and Hebron). It was called "Hagana" - "Protection".
                        In 1931, after the division of the mandated territory of Palestine (created for the Jewish national hearth on the site of the former Turkish territory in 1920) along the Jordan River into the Kingdom of Transjordan and Palestine (in violation of the terms of the mandate) and the deportation of Jews from the Transjordan, the "Haganah" was divided into those who agreed with the section, and those who disagreed. The dissenters created ETZEL. In 1936, when the Arabs launched a new wave of terrorist attacks, but this time not only against Jews, but also against the British, the British administration created special field detachments from Jews to protect communications and the oil pipeline from Iraq. Many underground members of the "Haganah" joined these units. Etzel continued to fight against the British (mainly on the propaganda front), and took up actions of retaliation against Arab gangs, attacking in response to every terrorist attack. Later, the Jewish FOS units under the command of Charles Horde Wingate, a British officer, also joined in this tactic. In 1939, after the start
                        World War II, Jewish underground offered help to the British and volunteered for His Majesty's army. In addition to one organization that has withdrawn from ETSEL and called itself LEKHI. In 1942, after the assassination of their leader Abraham Stern (Yair) and after the extermination of Jews began to come from Europe, LEKHI also stopped the war. Will we continue further or ourselves?
                      4. hohol95
                        hohol95 April 24 2020 13: 11 New
                        -1
                        In 1939, after the start
                        Second World War, Jewish underground offered help to the British and volunteered for His Majesty's army.

                        In modern terms, people from the "NBF" went to serve those with whom they had fought before!
                        And after WWII they set about the old again - they began to fight with the British!
                        Life is a complicated thing ... But the British themselves were all in fluff ...
                        Thank you for the clarification! hi
                      5. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 24 2020 13: 13 New
                        +1
                        In other words, the enemy was common. The USSR and Great Britain became allies not from the beginning of the war, but only in 1941.
                      6. hohol95
                        hohol95 April 26 2020 21: 11 New
                        0
                        In other words, the enemy was common.

                        I can see a minus slapped for the "NBF" - illegal bandforming!
                        But LYOKHI did not agree to "reconciliation with the British."
                        Moreover, her fighters killed the British Minister Walter Guinness on November 6, 1944.
                        Terrorists got weapons by robbery, and money - by robbery. Once the militants stopped a train that brought workers wages, then stole diamonds worth 38 thousand pounds. It happened that during these attacks peaceful Jews died.

                        Uniform banditry!
                      7. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 26 2020 21: 16 New
                        +1
                        That is, the raid of Soviet partisans on a grocery warehouse, in which Soviet civilians were killed, is "uniform banditry." And the Nazis, who called the partisans bandits, were they right?
                      8. hohol95
                        hohol95 April 26 2020 21: 23 New
                        +1
                        Soviet partisans were citizens of the USSR who waged war on the Third Reich! And they fought on the territory occupied by the enemy! Civilians perished! Yes!
                        Citizens of which country were LEKHI militants?
                        And the French in 1812, as the partisans called?
                      9. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 26 2020 21: 37 New
                        0
                        And the Jewish underground members, citizens of the British mandated Palestine - Land of Israel, considered themselves partisans.
                      10. hohol95
                        hohol95 April 26 2020 21: 44 New
                        +1
                        citizens of the British "Palestine - Land of Israel"

                        For legal mandate holders - completely wrong!
                        The Germans were not legal representatives of the authorities in the occupied territory of the USSR!
                        Or did you have an Ango-Israeli war and the GB occupied the occupied territories of the sovereign state of Israel?
                        No. So, before the appearance of a country called Israel in 1947, there are militants!
                        They were nothing like partisans (like Russian / Soviet).
                      11. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 27 2020 07: 56 New
                        0
                        The "legitimate mandate holders" violated ALL of the terms of the mandate. They transferred the territories of the mandate to other states, limited the return of Jews to their country, hindered the development of Jewish self-government and the development of the economy. So, from the point of view of the LAW, representatives of the government of His Majesty King George (both Georgians) did not have legal rights to manage the mandated territory.
                      12. hohol95
                        hohol95 April 27 2020 12: 43 New
                        0
                        Why didn’t they sue?
                        Look supposedly what the British are bad! What they want they do ...
                        And the British they promised many different "buns". But then they forgot about it! And the French did that. The world is not perfect!
                      13. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 27 2020 14: 13 New
                        +1
                        Served. Only not at the court, but in the British government and the League of Nations, where Great Britain and France were the main ones. By the way, the "buns" promised to the Jews (unlike others) were confirmed by the decisions of the international conference, that is, they are the law.
                      14. hohol95
                        hohol95 April 27 2020 15: 00 New
                        0
                        Filed. Just not with the court, but with the British government and the League of Nations, where the main ones were Great Britain and France.

                        And the result? Lawyers did not help?
                        It was then that you did not have Reznik and Borschevsky.
                        They would help! Defend the "buns".
                      15. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 27 2020 15: 10 New
                        0
                        The appeals did not help. But the massive repatriation and underground activities ultimately forced Britain to abandon the mandate.
                      16. hohol95
                        hohol95 April 27 2020 16: 56 New
                        +1
                        Only bloodshed by the NBF ...
                        Well, yes, the British are not Romans ...
                      17. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 27 2020 18: 14 New
                        +1
                        The Romans defeated Judea after two very bloody wars and massacres at the peak of their power. Britain in 1945-48 was already a dying empire.
  • hohol95
    hohol95 April 23 2020 22: 41 New
    +2
    By the way, German weapons purchased in Czechoslovakia arrived in Israel after independence, when regular armies of Arab countries invaded the Jewish state.

    And, you poor and unfortunate fought back from the teeth of the armed, Arab regular armies with the slings of the times of the shepherd David and the roar of the Jericho trumpets!
    That is the impression of your words.
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev April 24 2020 09: 05 New
      +1
      Well, something like that was. Only not "Jericho pipes", but home-made mortars "Davidka", and not a sling, but home-made copies of PP "STEN". At least at the first stage, until the purchased weapons arrived.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 April 24 2020 09: 22 New
        0
        and not a sling, but homemade copies of PP "STEN"

        MP-3008 in Israeli?
        Was the quality better than the Germans?
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev April 24 2020 13: 08 New
          +2
          No, "Bliskawitsa" in Israeli. Cast iron bodies, barrels made of building rods, springs made of hardened wire. And the quality is appropriate.
        2. hohol95
          hohol95 April 24 2020 13: 23 New
          +1
          Clear. Like In The Underworld Guy -
          Well, I didn’t have to wait long, two days. When the machine was ready, I put it in a bag, took it to the ponds, collected it and tested it with prayer. Nothing machine threshes. Spits, but still it turned out better than that of our rebels, who made their sniffles from scraps of water pipes in general.
  • hohol95
    hohol95 April 23 2020 23: 18 New
    +2
    WEAPONS FOR THE PROMISED LAND
    Around the World Magazine / May 2008
    In 1951, a British officer was tried in Great Britain, who sold a batch of weapons in Palestine in 1948. Initially, he planned to sell it to the Arabs for 25 thousand pounds, but Hagana outbid it for 30 thousand pounds, resulting in an armored car, jeep cars, 180 Browning machine guns, rifles, and cartridges. Hagan bought up weapons from the British and Arabs in the territory not only of Palestine, but also of Syria and Egypt.

    You can also recall the events of 1948 - the explosion of the ship "Nora" in the Italian port of Bari, and then the seizure of the Italian ship "Argiro" and five (according to other sources - eight) thousand rifles and eight million cartridges from the same Czechoslovakia, but for Syria.
  • Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin April 23 2020 22: 10 New
    0
    It is unlikely that the Czechs at that time made SUCH decisions on their own.
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev April 23 2020 22: 45 New
      +3
      At that time, the Czechs made such decisions on their own. That is why after the seizure of power by the Communists in July 1948, arms sales to Israel ceased, and all the organizers of the deal were subsequently convicted and executed. Slansky process.
    2. hohol95
      hohol95 April 23 2020 22: 46 New
      +1
      There are two opinions on this score - they could or could not make such decisions themselves!
  • really
    really April 23 2020 12: 19 New
    -4
    We watch videos where the militants are driving around in T-90 and T-55 tanks and ask which country supplied them, and why. With these words, "But if you think about it, everything falls into place. It is possible that this was done at the request of the recipient, who did not want to advertise the purchase of weapons in Russia," and the militants also have Kalashnikov assault rifles, and others and so on. The article should be more factual.
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 23 2020 12: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: really
      It is possible that this was done at the request of the recipient, who did not want to advertise the purchase of weapons in of Russia "

      oh yes !!!! everything by all means Russia sold them
      A wiki piece just to make it clear area of ​​prevalence of T-55 in nature and that anyone could sell them
      "Myanmar - 10 T-55, a certain number of ARVs based on the T-55 as of 2017 [70]. 10 T-55, as of 2012 [71].
      Namibia - a certain amount of T-55, a certain number of armored repair and recovery vehicles based on T-55 as of 2017 [72].
      Nigeria - 100 T-55, a number of ARVs based on T-55 as of 2017 [73]
      Nicaragua - 127 T-55, of which 65 units are in storage, a certain number of armored repair and recovery vehicles based on T-55 as of 2017 [74]. 116 T-55 delivered from the USSR [9]: 66 T-55 delivered in 1985 [9], 50 T-55 delivered from the USSR in 1987 [9].
      Pakistan - a certain number (<51) T-55, a certain number of armored recovery vehicles based on the T-55 as of 2017 [75]. 51 T-54 and T-55 as of 2012 [76]. 100 T-55s were delivered from the USSR in 1968 [9].
      Peru - 165 T-55, of which 75 non-operational tanks in storage, as of 2017 [77]. 280 T-55 delivered from the USSR from 1974 to 1975 [9].
      Rwanda - a certain number (<24) T-55, a certain number of ARVs based on the T-55 as of 2017 [78]. 24 T-54 and T-55 as of 2012 [79].
      Romania - 250 T-55 as of 2017 [80]. 850 T-55 was delivered from the USSR from 1970 to 1977 [9], another 400 T-55 was produced under license under the designations TR-580 and TR-77 from 1970 to 1977 [9].
      Serbia - a certain number of ARVs based on the T-55 as of 2017 [81]. "

      And here is perhaps the most real source of contact with the militants.
      "Syria - a certain number of T-55 and ARVs based on the T-55 for 2017 [82]. 2250 T-55 and T-55MV (some in storage) for 2012"

      It happens in a war, you know - even serviceable tanks drop crews ...
      1. really
        really April 23 2020 14: 28 New
        0
        Look at the quoted text, and what is written before it, and most importantly after. I showed how the fake news is created, you reacted to the word Russia and the delivery of tanks, and presented a detailed answer laughing
    2. Freeman
      Freeman April 23 2020 12: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: really
      We watch videos where the militants are driving around in T-90 and T-55 tanks and ask which country supplied them, and why. With these words, "But if you think about it, everything falls into place. It is possible that this was done at the request of the recipient, who did not want to advertise the purchase of weapons in Russia," and the militants also have Kalashnikov assault rifles, and others and so on. The article should be more factual.


      You forgot that at the beginning of the civil war in Syria, a significant proportion of the rebels, was part of Assad’s own army. Now, it’s somehow not advertised.

      Shl. About the T-55, in the "network" they write that he is from Georgia.
      https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6151318

      In 2019. a special train "Syrian Fracture" with samples of captured equipment captured from Syrian militants drove through Russia.

      1. really
        really April 23 2020 14: 29 New
        0
        Look at the quoted text, and what is written before it, and most importantly after. I showed how the fake news is created, you reacted to the word Russia and the delivery of tanks, and presented a detailed answer laughing
        1. Freeman
          Freeman April 23 2020 14: 58 New
          0
          really (Michael) Today, 14:29
          You reacted to the word Russia and the supply of tanks, and presented a detailed answer laughing

          request I do not see anything funny.
          You "raised the topic", I decided to find additional information.
          Actually, this is exactly what I am interested in this site.
          1. really
            really April 23 2020 15: 37 New
            0
            I always like it when a person takes his business seriously, cheers up, makes me happy, and I smile
    3. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh April 23 2020 21: 44 New
      +1
      At the same time, these tanks were rebranding and they became known as pz9 and pzV
  • qobnvmog
    qobnvmog April 23 2020 12: 34 New
    +3
    Here is an article in which they tried to determine the affiliation of the company DDG and pistols.
    https://silahreport.com/2019/12/22/delta-defence-group-part-one-the-pistol/


    Very interesting reading. In English. With pictures.
    1. really
      really April 23 2020 14: 43 New
      +1
      Thanks for the article, my opinion was confirmed. smile It is a pity the author of this article did not read that article. laughing
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 23 2020 12: 55 New
    0
    It remains to open Yaneks-pictures and search for the key "militants in Syria" (without quotes, of course) and carefully look at what they are fighting there. I didn't find BUL Cherokee. Maybe someone will be more fortunate.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman April 23 2020 13: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      It remains to open Yaneks-pictures and search for the key "militants in Syria" (without quotes, of course) and carefully look at what they are fighting there. I didn't find BUL Cherokee. Maybe someone will be more fortunate.


      No no no. YouTube is more interesting. Here is a "SPG", lit up on the network in 2016.
    2. qobnvmog
      qobnvmog April 23 2020 13: 27 New
      +1
      https://silahreport.com/2019/12/22/delta-defence-group-part-one-the-pistol/

      Here there is a one to one photo. But not in Syria; judging by the signature (its source, in turn, the channel on Twitter) is on sale in Iraqi Mosul.
  • hohol95
    hohol95 April 23 2020 13: 16 New
    +3
    Of course, Syrian gangs are armed with weapons of world famous manufacturers. In particular, even the militants of the odious IS terrorist organization (banned in the Russian Federation) willingly use pistols productions of the USA, Belgium, Austria, Germany or Croatia.

    My heart relieved. Do not use "barbudos" native "Makarov"! And nice. good
  • aglet
    aglet April 23 2020 13: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    well, cesetta 75, you never saw him unless the Israeli bul his copy

    they even look similar only in that both have a fly; what kind of copy can we talk about? and what is inside of them?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 24 2020 00: 38 New
      +2
      And they also have a rear sight, a shutter, a trigger, etc. And inside they have everything the same, including the barrel locking system and everything else. Nobody makes secrets from the device and their circuits, if interested, look for it yourself and find everything. hi
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel April 23 2020 13: 40 New
    +1
    An interesting sample in the photo.
    Not otherwise, as a museum somewhere "taken out".
    As far as I can tell, this is hardly an "Englishman", this is not Vebley-Scott, not Adams, or Trentner.
    Most likely it is either the "Excelsior" of the Abadi system, or the French "Saint-Etienne" model 1873, or "Lebel" model 1892. If you looked at it in its entirety, it would become clearer what kind of "machine".
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev April 23 2020 14: 00 New
      +2
      Most likely Lebel. Syria is a former French mandated territory and the troops, when this country was created in 1946, received French weapons from the colonial administration.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish April 24 2020 00: 32 New
      +4
      Most likely it is either "Excelsior" of the Abadi system, or the French "Saint-Etienne"

      Most likely you are right.
      "Excelsior" from the Beetle.

      "Saint-Etienne"
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 23 2020 13: 51 New
    +2
    Some ancient antiquity with the door of Abadi, no matter how it was actually Abadi.
    Maybe slightly updated.
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov April 23 2020 15: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Maybe slightly updated.

      No, not him, but close! :)
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 23 2020 16: 57 New
        0
        Yes, your comment looked above, indeed, the frame is of such a form as in the article, in my example the frame is somewhat different, therefore I wrote about
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Maybe slightly updated
        ... Damn, I wanted to type Galan in the search, but I was distracted, so you "pushed me out". )))
        1. Alexey Lobanov
          Alexey Lobanov April 23 2020 18: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Galan wanted to dial

          More like Schmidt than Galan.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 24 2020 02: 52 New
            0
            Model 1882 Ordnance Revolver. Designed by the French arms designer Galand, it was mass-produced at the factories of the manufacturer Schmitt in Switzerland. Therefore, the name of this revolver is also found as Galand - Schmidt M1882.
            If you simply type Galan, even if with a door, then it shows such lever monsters with a movable drum ...
            So you are partly right.
  • Bolo
    Bolo April 23 2020 14: 46 New
    -2
    Kosher lovers again fussed ...
    1. really
      really April 23 2020 15: 21 New
      +2
      You not only read stupidity, like everyone else, but also continued to think stupidly.
      1. Bolo
        Bolo April 23 2020 22: 23 New
        -1
        And only your stupidity is the smartest, because such a clever head thinks of it! It’s better for you to chew and something better is kosher.
        1. really
          really April 23 2020 23: 09 New
          +1
          Kosher, it’s of high quality, plus the observance of certain rules of food, a guarantee against problems with the digestive tract, including washing your hands before eating. And you, unfortunately, have used the word with an insulting tone, which is not beautiful.
  • muham
    muham April 23 2020 15: 22 New
    -1
    Again, an anti-Semitic card is played out in VO. Not tired, however, anti-Semites of all Russia.
    1. Bolo
      Bolo April 23 2020 22: 28 New
      0
      That is, Israelis pouring gun gas into the bonfire of the war in Syria and getting a good deal from it is good, but talking about it is an anti-Semitic card? Bravo! Hutspa in all its Jewish beauty!
    2. Jager
      Jager April 24 2020 13: 44 New
      0
      But for sho love you?
  • Cynic
    Cynic April 23 2020 21: 02 New
    +2
    Traditionally, the forum is more interesting ...
  • Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 23 2020 23: 56 New
    +3
    Quote: Bolo
    That is, Israelis pouring gun gas into the bonfire of the war in Syria and getting a good deal from it is good, but talking about it is an anti-Semitic card?

    How much to prove to you !? There are no Israeli weapons in Syria! Units - yes, massively - no! Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Jordan - all - YES! Even CHINA! There is no Israel. Just stupid to discuss it! If you find that - smuggling from other countries.
    1. Bolo
      Bolo April 24 2020 00: 33 New
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      Yes, you do not scamper around, they will give you a residence permit in Yershalaim.
    2. Jager
      Jager April 24 2020 13: 47 New
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      And what prevents selling not directly, but through front offices of third countries?
      That's what, and to deny the professionalism of Jews in trade - that's where the stupidity is))
    3. Revolver
      Revolver April 25 2020 04: 11 New
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      And there are so many Soviet and Russian weapons in these Allah Babahs. So, blame Russia for deliveries to terrorists? Maybe the USSR supplied the Afghan dushmans? They also did not go with the M-16, but more and more with the AK-47 and its variations, the RPG-7, and the DShK in trucks, and even the T-55. Something of the local army was trodden, something was sent through Pakistan by Arab co-religionists, the same Egypt, to which the USSR from the time of Khrushchev delivered weapons and equipment by steamers.
  • Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 24 2020 02: 15 New
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    Quote: Bolo
    Yes, you do not scamper around, they will give you a residence permit in Yershalaim.

    Oh thank you, benefactor! Only I am from Russia nowhere. Yes, and did not come out with a face :) In hell knows what a deep generation - all Russians. But he talked a lot at work, and realized that they were anyone, just not fools.
  • ebrd
    ebrd April 24 2020 13: 37 New
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    Instead of the first shot, a mortar gap. Guess once, what reason was indicated? That's right, double loading. To be calmer. Not to write what someone decided to save by sending PM-43 to the area

    A similar incident occurred in May 1987 --- during the firing, the PM-120 burst 682 msec attached to the artillery division. . (it was in Afghanistan). The calculation commander was lost. At first, too - double loading and a point. Then they sorted it out - collected fragments, compared - there was one mine in the trunk. The reason is probably a cocked fuse as a result of violation of the rules of transportation, loading, unloading, etc. (it is forbidden to use mines fallen from a height of more than 1 m) Only Allah knows who and how they loaded those crates with mines - unloaded, turned over, etc. it’s a matter of mortar - in the USSR they produced good weapons. PS This case is not a myth, I remember the name of that commander - Sergeant G. Reflected in the losses of 682MSP.
  • aglet
    aglet April 24 2020 14: 40 New
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    Quote: Sea Cat
    Nobody makes secrets from the device and their circuits, if interested, look for it yourself and find everything.

    I myself know this, it's hard to call them copies, in this case all the pistols are copies of each other
  • Sniper Amateur
    Sniper Amateur April 24 2020 19: 38 New
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    Well, the Mauser rifle arr. 98 (true with modern optics) - there is generally an "ISPS subject". For less than fifty gold dinars (and this is the price without optics) - it is not even offered. And the subject of ISPS is all of them there - up to the "Wagnerians". AND??
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 24 2020 20: 44 New
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    that shoots, then in the hand
  • Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 24 2020 22: 21 New
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    Quote: Sniper Amateur
    Well, the Mauser rifle arr. 98 (true with modern optics) - there is generally an "ISPS subject". For less than fifty gold dinars (and this is the price without optics) - it is not even offered. And the subject of ISPS is all of them there - up to the "Wagnerians". AND??

    Well, rather a carbine, it is there, especially in Iraq - it is very popular (almost - a national weapon). :) One peasant out of him even failed Apache in due time, he simply flew by. :)))