The Ministry of Defense will continue to operate the Tu-134 until 2033

The Russian Ministry of Defense does not yet plan to abandon the operation of the Tu-134, several dozen aircraft will remain in service until 2033. It is reported by RIA News with reference to an informed source.

According to the source of the agency, the military department will leave in operation several dozen Tu-134 aircraft, at least until 2033. The life of these machines is 50 years and by the announced date of this age will reach the "youngest" Tu-134, available in the operation of the Ministry of Defense. The existing Tu-134 fleet will be gradually replaced by other aircraft of this class as they reach their service life.

Several dozen Tu-134 aircraft will be operated by the Ministry of Defense until 2033

- the agency leads the words of the source.

According to available information, to date, 36 units of the Tu-134A and Tu-134A-3 are on the balance of the Ministry of Defense. In 2017, plans were announced to replace the obsolete Tu-134 with the An-148.

Note that the passenger version of the Tu-134 was removed from domestic Russian flights last year. The last Tu-134 made its final flight on May 20, 2019, delivering passengers from Irkutsk to Mirny. Then the plane flew to Novosibirsk, where they will make a museum out of it. aviation.

Comments

[Victor_B]

By the principle - the old horse will not spoil the furrow?
Somehow it turns out that the operation of the type of aircraft in the military continues until a loud disaster.
Examples - Tu-104 before the death of the command of the TF, Tu-154 before the disaster in Sochi (if still exploited, then sorry!).
Well, the Tu-134 is simply beautiful!

[svp67]

Quote: Victor_B

Well, the Tu-134 is simply beautiful!

Tu-154 is prettier ... But this "arrow" will whistle anyone .. not in vain is his name "whistle"
In general, there are many questions. That said

According to available information, to date, 36 units of the Tu-134A and Tu-134A-3 are on the balance of the Ministry of Defense.

This is just this type, but how many more Tu-134 Sh and Tu-134 UBL are available?
And which of them is really very unusual and beautiful, it's the "Black Pearl"

In 2017, plans were announced to replace the obsolete Tu-134 with the An-148.

Well, these plans can be crossed out for sure ... and apparently it is worth thinking about ordering instead of passenger "whistles" - IL-114

[paul72]

Let them change to a superjet, what else is the an-148?

[prior]

Compare Superjet and TU-134, it is as if to compare the hard worker and dude.
It looks brilliant, but in fact it’s a mess. Remember the landing at Sheremetyevo?
Yes, and there Russian with Gulkin .....

[Servisinzhener]

It wasn’t a matter of a woman, ignoramus was sitting in a cabin ...

Yes, and there Russian with Gulkin .....

But this can be a serious problem especially for the Moscow Region. Because may prohibit the supply of components and aircraft just stand up.

[AU Ivanov.]

The nonsense on SSJ was pic. You can put ANY airplane on the strip. From An-2 to B-787.

[Aviator_]

Aeroflot saves on drug training. In fact, this was the first attempt to manually land an aircraft (and even overloaded with fuel) at the FAC. With a known result. In the order of delirium, it was optimal to fly along the route or spin in the air until fuel was generated, but this is a direct violation of the instructions; the FAC did not go for it. It would still have to be planted manually, but at least without fuel.

[AU Ivanov.]

It is worth admitting that the current "push buttons" do not work very well with their hands. You still need to manage to beat off such a "goat". Where were you in a hurry? Why annoy?

[Aviator_]

The video clearly showed how the PIC did, it seems, everything was right, removed the vertical speed, but for some reason at a height of 2 m above the strip, and then the plane crashed.

[AU Ivanov.]

High alignment, removed the gases in a heavy car, and then flopped. And after the rebound, he began to plague.

[ancient]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

High alignment, removed the gases in a heavy car, and then flopped.

With all due respect write everything like that, that's just alignment there ... and it doesn't "smell".
The FAC as "enchanted" "poked" RUS "from himself to himself to extreme positions.

Quote: AS Ivanov.

removed the gases in a heavy car

The PIC made it even worse - he put the throttle in the “MAXIMUM REVERSE” position, but ..... the reverse flaps did not open, as there were no signals of the main landing gear compression. And then ... "second splash"

Quote: AS Ivanov.

after the rebound, he began to plague.

After the separation after the second "splash" he "thrust" the ores into the "TAKE-OFF DRIVE", and the RUS pulled up to the stop, but ... there was no thrust (the reasons described above).
Then the third "splash" on V is about 250, with an overload of 5 g. on partially destroyed main racks.
And as a consequence of all this .. "deeds" - there was a basement of the main landing gear, further destruction of the aircraft structure with fuel spill and fire

[AU Ivanov.]

I didn’t fly this type, I didn’t even have reverses, I had "propellers from the stop" I saw that after the first rebound the pilot tried to annoy him by giving the control wheel away from him.

[ancient]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

I saw that the pilot, after the first bounce, tried to annoy the wheelhouse with himself.

In order not to translate the question into the "plane" of the dispute ... here are ... excerpts from the IAC report:
According to the report, the commission qualifies it as "very rough", as the overload value was over 2,55g.
A rough landing of an airplane with a mass exceeding the maximum landing mass includes landing with a vertical overload of 1.94 - 2.25 g, and a very rough landing with a vertical overload of more than 2.25 g.
In the "DIRECT MODE" mode, automatic release of brake flaps (spoilers) is not provided, the crew did not produce manual spoilers.

During the approach, the control actions of the PIC increasing in amplitude on the side control stick (BRU) in pitch were recorded up to until full speed as "on my own", and so on with relatively prolonged retention in extreme positions.

At a distance of ≈ 900 m from the entrance end of the runway and the instrument speed of 158 kt (293 km / h), the first touch of the runway aircraft occurred.

After landing, the aircraft was separated to a height of no more than ≈ 5 - 6 ft (2 m).

"According to the Bulletin for the Flight Crew“ Landing Technique ”, in the event of a slight separation (less than 5 ft) of the aircraft from the runway after touchdown, it is necessary to fix the DCU in the position reached at the moment of touchdown, preventing a change in the pitch angle and keeping the throttle in the IDLE position, and complete landing.
Also, do not allow an increase in pitch angle, especially after a rough landing with a large angular velocity along the pitch angle.
In the case of a high separation (more than 5 ft) of the aircraft from the runway after touchdown, it is necessary to fix the BRU in the position reached at the moment of touchdown and, without allowing the pitch angle to change, perform a go-around.

After separation, the BRU continued to be held in a position completely “away from you”, which led to the development of the angular pitching speed of the dive to 10.5 m / s, the rapid decrease of the pitching angle to 4º for diving and re-landing of the aircraft ahead of the front landing gear.
Re-landing occurred 2.2 s after the first landing at an instrument speed of 155 kt (287 km / h).
I understand that there are a lot of .. "bukFF", but .... highlighted the main thing on our topic and as a conclusion - ... he is like ... a "ram" rested his horn on the runway and kept the RUS until the next .. " ", so about any ..." adding a dacha to the steering wheel ".. there can be no question!
Best regards,
So .. "minus" ..... not objective

[AU Ivanov.]

I just put a plus sign for you.

[ancient]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

I just put a plus sign for you.

Excuse me ...... "I didn't report" .... in my old age ... it's good that not .. "out of range"

[Pete mitchell]

but he’s already giving an interview, haven’t read it ?: they designed it badly, it’s bad to certify, but he is sorry that he participated in the events ...

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

and he already gives an interview, didn’t read?

Yes, I read it ... two or three days ago ... ... impressions ... "twofold"

[Pete mitchell]

Well, the guy was well prepared to distract the attention of faint-hearted citizens. But I think after a collision on the design and certification - not a ride

[Pete mitchell]

If I didn’t miss any of the known data, then they definitely won’t get away from the failed Evacuation card, and this is a crime

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

then they definitely won’t get away from the failed Evacuation card, but this is a crime

Here I completely agree with you ... "prayer" is .. a binding! The first thing that is heard is the speech recorders and all the shoals come up on the "violation" of the airplane flight manual.

[Pete mitchell]

In addition to other violations in reading the Check Cards and failure to perform the actions read: failure to evacuate is the release of passengers under running engines, and the engines seem to have stood up after they were filled with foam

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

But I think after a collision on the design and certification - not a ride

A little "familiar" with the "style of work of Ms. Anodina's department" .... the options may be different ..... already wrote ... "who and how can open the door with his foot" ... remember the late Andrei Nikolaevich .. ...

[NN52]

ancient
Do you distinguish the RUS and the joystick? Or you do not care?
I don’t understand how you can fly with this joystick ..
And you don’t need Internet interpretations of the catastrophe, passing off investigations of this catastrophe as your personal analytics is ugly ...

[ancient]

Quote: NN52

Do you distinguish the RUS and the joystick? Or you do not care?

For ESPECIALLY ... "gifted" I will single out FAT (it is clear that YOU don’t know how to fly, but to read and understand something ... in my practice I haven’t met such .. "individuals").
quote - "Excerpts from the IAC report:
- BRU - lateral A PEN management.
I write (out of habit) -RUS - A PEN aircraft control.
What is the difference???? The fact that he "crashed" the plane and killed people, that he was "pedaling" not with RUS, but with BUR. ????
Would you walk ....... "by"

[NN52]

I've heard a lot of such gifted "googol schoolchildren" ..
I look after you ...

[NN52]

Who said that at 30? And even more so without a military pension?
Once again I repeat, go study aviation in Google, maybe you can subtract something clever.
You have a lot of smiles and capital letters, like a naughty schoolboy.
And I recommend not to be rude ...

[ancient]

Quote: NN52

Who said that at 30? And even more so without a military pension?

To put your letters to me on the "open air"?

Quote: NN52

And I recommend not to be rude ...

Recommend to kids .... "Recommender" ... fake

[NN52]

Letters to whom? Do not understand? In PM, I corresponded with Random and Sergey 1982.
And on the site here in the comments I wrote that I left 32 g from aviation to retire. (and not at 30 years old, 2 years of flying, is it a plus 4 years of preferential length of service. Or does the person under the nickname Ancient do not know this? Is it not written in Google?)
Some kind of association can be traced: Random-Sergey 1982 - Ancient.
Even I posted my diploma photo) In my comments you can find everything.

And something you recently merged here, about my proposal about flight books ..........

Laying out my "letters" as you say.
Something you start to bother me, your dullness and pseudo-coolness ..

[ancient]

Quote: NN52

2 years of flying, this is a plus 4 years of preferential length of service.

Yeah in the post of acting Nach.PDS and she was still flying this post ????
And he wrote to me that in 1999 you were completely written off and your "preferential service" in 5 regiments, in which you allegedly managed to serve ... cause great doubts ... well, even if it is already 5 years in a flight position, that's 10 ..... four "school", that's 14 ..... where else is there a "year" to retire at a reduced rate of seniority, eh?
What is with you .. nothing is measured .. "pipirkami" ... yes, I talk to you through force.
Everything ... go .. "by" is already final ... from you ..... "smells", as Pete Mitchell used to say in one masterpiece film.

[NN52]

This is when I wrote to you, eccentric? and about 99, too, did I write? in 99, I was with Lebyazhka (we relocated there, otherwise you will go dumb again, you won’t understand), I shot back immediately, day and night. Do you understand? where did they shoot and why with Lebyazhka?)
Wow...
Random? or Sergey 1982 with Courage? Open your face, pseudo-pilot?
Well, the stench comes from you ...
About flight books again ignore?))))

[Pete mitchell]

Well you’re not so diplomatic to each other, that's enough
Ancient, maybe we are of different generations with you, but as I said: some of the things that you sound more familiar to the wiki fans, we did not even use such designations for example. And you know how much fate has slashed there, too, no one asked, and there everything happened. Specifically Fifty second and can share 'impressions', cut the Almighty.
You head-on ask what they cut you, what are you so condescending? There will be a mood - share.
I repeat, back to the discussion

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Well you’re not so diplomatic to each other, that's enough

Yes, I forgot about him and do not even remember, but ... correctly in the old days they wrote - "the bug is small ... yes it stinks" or .. "The pug is so strong that it barks at an elephant"?
I had a discussion with you ... what ... "this miracle" again or again .. "butted"?
And even more so .. tell me ... "I'll look after you" ????
It is he who is trying to position himself out of himself ????
So I understand that you are trying to "defend with your chest ......." your right, but then be objective, otherwise double standards and .. "rod" example - ... he is to me on you, this is normal, but here I am ... for some reason this is nonsense
.So .. somewhere
And what about .. "impressions" ... you are in vain .... I know all his "pedigree" ... there is nothing there .. "impressed", except that "scampering on the shelves", yes "sores" ... Well, he was not so lucky .... but what he really can share, the military medical institutions ... yes ... here he is .. "special" .. involuntarily.

[Pete mitchell]

It was I who didn’t accidentally send you a clue about the stupid translation? Year ago

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

It was I who didn’t accidentally send you a clue about the stupid translation? Year ago

No ... I haven’t approached you on such a question. (I know that you speak English very well), but I have an older one ... in general (an Anglo-American with a "cross" of a German, a little less than a Frenchman ... and for ... "the Apennine peninsula")
Now, when is it time?
So I don’t have problems with translations at all

[Pete mitchell]

Languages ​​are useful, my father felt this for a long time and tried on me. And with Italian, it’s not in particular frets - too fast language. There was one random comrade, I had to explain ...
Take mercy - take a break; here lovers of fountains and wiki abound

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Take mercy - take a break; here lovers of fountains and wiki abound

[NN52]

C HAI? Is that considered cool?))))))
And he got on with Taganrog ??? I believe ... You had it.

[NN52]

Waiting for comments from you.

How can I finish a technical university, and here to teach us how to fly ??? Rzhu)))

[Svarog51]

Tramp There is an "Italian" on the site under the nickname "Lime" in English transcription. Dmitry "rich" is on good terms with him. If you need help in connection, I can as a parliamentarian. But Dmitry will understand everything anyway, without my intervention. Apply to build relationships.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ancient

..on such a question

You are not a sinner to enlighten about the accident of the Su-17, when it had torn off the rotary parts of the wing during a salvo from UPK-23?

[NN52]

Ancient
Last time I propose to put here a real-time photo of flight books (you ignore it for a long time), otherwise you are a balobol (to put it mildly), rare.
I clearly explained everything?
Otmazy that the flight book (or books, with the mega-raid you lost, are not accepted).

And by the way, about medicine ... I wrote off in Funik.

[ancient]

Quote: Aviator_

The video clearly showed how the PIC did, like everything was right

I don't even want to comment on your .. "pearl"
Look closely again .... your PIC has violated everything he could - increased Vpos (almost 300 km / h), what was the calculation? Then - "swinging" of the aircraft (shuffling RUS from "extreme" to "extreme"), at the first separation, "thrust" the RUS completely away from myself and "sat" on the main stand (further, as in the textbook - "progress" ) Well, and then a bunch of all sorts of "little things" led to a sharp drop in speed and "flop" on concrete "with a huge overload".
You can see the result, as well as the whole "picture"

[Aviator_]

Well, I will comment on your "pearl". It is, of course, more visible from the sofa, but how often did you have to put a passenger with full tanks after a lightning strike? Moreover, the first time in manual mode. It should be surprising that at least someone was saved. The blame is on Aeroflot's management

[ancient]

Quote: Aviator_

how often did you have to land a passenger with full tanks

Never, since I did not pilot civilian aircraft.

Quote: Aviator_

with full tanks

In our military aviation they try to be "friends" with their heads and either produce fuel or drain them out of the way.
And with Gmax.pos sometimes happened and with weights not as "scanty" as on "Super"
And also with a smooth wing and with incompletely extended flaps (this is generally regular), with IOD almost every flight shift if we fly in the airfield area, well, so ... according to the control board of the KBP and when you "take out" someone or .. . "checking".
Twice did not sit on the wing in the landing configuration.
Well, a lot of anything happened.
So our (military) level of flight training is ....... "heaven and earth", compared to .. "civilian"

Quote: Aviator_

It, of course, is more visible from a sofa

"Podkol" and your sarcasm is not accepted, since I have earned my "sofa" with sweat and blood ... so I have the right to ... "grouse"

Quote: Aviator_

It should be surprising that at least someone was saved. The blame is on Aeroflot's management

Here I practically agree with everything ... but I knew the times when the pilots of the Civil Air Fleet were prepared very seriously and with flight training and training everything was

[not main]

Quote: ancient

.but I knew the times when the Civil Air Fleet pilots were prepared very seriously and with flight training and training it was all

That was exactly it! This is not the case now. My brother works as a dispatcher at the airport, so he says that they haven’t been put into “melee” for a long time! And in fact, they no longer know how! And about dispatchers ... who do not know about the speed triangle and there is nothing to say.

[Aviator_]

In our military aviation they try to be "friends" with their heads and either produce fuel or drain them out of the way.

Can't you imagine that the instructions for civil aviation and military may differ? Moreover, the "Superbudget" simply does not have an emergency fuel drain system, as well as on all civil aircraft built after 2005. Environmentalists (Greta Thunberg) demand, however.

[AU Ivanov.]

Landing with a mass exceeding the landing is a procedure prescribed in the RLE and an exercise practiced on the simulator.
I had to land the An-26 with a mass greater than the landing one, because of the engine that refused to be equipped. We have been taught this. Well, we knew how to fly hand to hand.

[ancient]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Landing with a mass exceeding the landing is a procedure prescribed in the RLE and an exercise practiced on the simulator.

Well, on the Tu-22M3 "gap" on Gpos. large 78-88 tone. G max. After 92 tons ... in principle the same is normal ... but if more and ... "something" in the appendix-type ... one engine, 23 flaps, etc ... then there is a landing 400 (and the restrictions on pneumatics are the same) ... in general .. "problem" ... but 3% of the total number of landings is allowed. but then necessarily through the TEC.

Quote: AS Ivanov.

I had to land the An-26 with a mass greater than the landing one, due to a failure in the engine kit

Cool!

Quote: AS Ivanov.

We have been taught this. Well, we knew how to fly hand to hand.

So am I about the same

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Aviator_

The blame is on Aeroflot's management

pilots like vasheeeeeee not guilty ???

[ancient]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

You still need to manage to beat off such a "goat".

Well, ours too ... "can" and on all types ... but there, as they say .. "myself" .. well, as a last resort, the crew .. "killed", and here .... passengers .... here you have to be a master of your craft, and not like ... "the current tribe ... citizens"

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Aviator_

- it was optimal to fly on ....

Hurry is needed when catching fleas: FAC decided to sit down / right or wrong - another question / - it was necessary not to fuss when approaching the butt and most likely everything would have worked out

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

it was necessary not to fuss when approaching the butt and most likely everything would have worked out

So yes ... only for this you need to be able to pilot on your hands, and not on ... "autopilot".
They probably don’t remember, and they didn’t even know (if only in the "school") what an approach and landing on OSB is.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ancient

must be able to pilot.

To pilot in general, there is an opportunity - use all available resources. Omitting everything that they had heaped up to approach at the end of the strip: I decided to sit down - sit down. He fussed at Predictive Windshear Warning / ahead perhaps wind shear /, remembered the existence of instructions and began to fuss: this is the only way to explain his work by sidestick: several times back and forth ... people are insanely sorry.
The sentence to him should be the sentence of the entire training system. There below, a colleague asks the right question of a legal and ethical nature.
Commercia, but there are very positive examples

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

The sentence to him should be the sentence of the entire training system.

I agree completely!

[Liam]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

He fussed when triggered / a wind shift is possible ahead /, remembered the existence of instructions and fussed: this is the only way to explain his work with a sidestick: several times back and forth

To write terms that are incomprehensible to the general public to look like an expert does not always mean that the Persian is aware of what he is writing about) In reality, the pilot worked with the BRU in an attempt to extinguish the vertical speed, and not because of the Predictive Windshear Warning. A minute and a half passed between these events.
Did you even read the IAC report on this disaster before telling stories here?


В 15:28:26 when passing a height of 1600 ft (490 m) along QNH (height along
1100 ft (335 m) radio altimeter WINDSHEAR alarm detected
WARNING, which is generated by the crew warning system according to the function
meteorological radar shear prediction, accompanied by the voice message "GO-
AROUND, WINDSHEAR AHEAD. " This warning informs the crew about
the possible presence of wind shear ahead of the course of flight. Duration of work
the alarm was 11 seconds, during this time 2.5 warning cycles sounded
(5 voice messages, each cycle consists of two messages in a row, with an interval between
1 second cycles). The crew did not discuss the operation of this alarm.
Note: In the QRH section “W / S AHEAD” (see section 1.18.8 of this report)
it is indicated that when this alarm is triggered during the approach phase
landing crew must complete the departure to the second round. At the same
time, at the beginning of the section there is a note that if the crew made sure
the absence of wind shear and other signs of wind shear, and
RWS system is operational, then this warning action is not
requires. Similar provisions are contained in the airline RPP.
............
В 15:29:54 at a true height of 17 ft (5.2 m), an audible alarm
“RETARD. RETARD ", indicating the achievement of the recommended height for
ore harvesting to the “SMALL GAS” position during the leveling process. At the same time with
with the advent of the alarm, the FAC began cleaning the ore.
Almost simultaneously with the cleaning of the ore to the “SMALL GAS” position, the PIC started
alignment of the aircraft, deflecting the self-propelled ballistic control panel "by itself" by 8.8 (65% of the stroke) Further
registered increasing in amplitude control actions of the FAC on the switchgear
in pitch up to full speed both “from yourself” and “towards yourself” with relatively
prolonged retention in extreme positions. These control actions
led to alternating pitch angle changes (+ 6º ... - 2º). At 15:30:00 at the distance
≈ 900 m from the entrance end of the runway and the instrument speed of 158 kt (293 km / h) the first
runway touch.

[Svarog51]

Lime In with the Tramp in one "location", if you contact me directly, then I'm superfluous.

[ancient]

Quote: Aviator_

In the order of delirium, it was optimal to fly along the route or spin in the air until fuel was generated, but this is a direct violation of the instructions

Absolutely not true. What you write is precisely the order of pilots in such circumstances, and it is written in the guidelines, as well as in the RLE.
1. Walk calmly on "hands" to the nearest airfield (if the weather on your own does not correspond to your level of training and the current m / m with a "manual" approach).
.2. Get into a zone or circle and produce fuel for landing with normal Gpos.
3. Observe the restrictions on the roll - not more than 15 grams., V East. no more than 520 km / h.
And all
.

[Aviator_]

After lightning strikes an aircraft, such actions as how to easily produce fuel? In fact, the instructions for an immediate landing after such an emergency were voiced in the media, and no one refuted it. You are the first.

[ancient]

Quote: Aviator_

After lightning strikes an aircraft, such actions as how to easily produce fuel?

Absolutely, if these hits did not critically affect the helm control system and the aircraft power system.

Quote: Aviator_

In fact, the instructions for an immediate landing after such an emergency were voiced in the media,

For the first time I hear about this ... and in general, our domestic media and RLE it's ... like Earth and Jupiter.
There is such an organization IAC, I hope .. "heard" (since you have the call sign "Aviator"?).
So, according to the results of the investigation, the IAC announces that ... "After the lightning hit the plane, according to the experts, the autopilot was turned off.
Despite this, the aircraft commander (FAC) assessed the situation as a regular one.
At 15:12:32, the PIC explained to the senior flight attendant that the plane was returning, while paying attention: "Not emergency, nothing, just come back",.
Further, the dispatcher instructed the pilot to reduce the height to 900 m and turn around.
The FAC did not give distress alerts.

Quote: Aviator_

no one has refuted it. You are the first.

You are deeply mistaken ... everyone who, at least a little connected with aviation, expressed the opinion that here all the fault lies only with the PIC, and not with any "external factors of influence" that were recognized as not critical for the normal completion of the flight and planting production.
Remember Professor Preobrazhensky? ......... "don't read any of them"

[Aviator_]

Absolutely, if these hits did not critically affect the helm control system and the aircraft power system.

As far as I remember this event almost a year ago, the dispatcher deployed this "Superbudget" again on the runway, since most of the PIC's electronics simply went out, it's good that the radio communication remained. A picture was given of how he entered the strip. So the PIC couldn't estimate the degree of damage in a couple of minutes.

[Liam]

Quote: ancient

here all the fault lies only with the FAC,

RLE Superjet provides that in the case of switching to direct mode with landing, do not delay

[Pete mitchell]

Again in the studio please, preferably QRH, not livejournal

[Pete mitchell]

Do you seem to speak French well? I'll tell you on the documents. Firstly, if it is written on the fence that does not always correspond, this is about your comment below. Secondly: land on the nearest suitable airport doesn’t mean any hurry at all. Google to help you

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Aviator_

was voiced in the media, and no one refuted it. You are the first.

Actually, he had no reason to rush, from the word at all. He had the opportunity to use time and fuel to prepare for landing. Instead, he was in a hurry, which led to the deaths. In the end take it on hand and calmly try how it is controlled with a non-standard configuration ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Aviator_

Aeroflot saves on drug training.

that is, if due to the fault of the driving school, the driver will have bad driving skills, having received the right, should he be exonerated if he commits a fatal accident ?? !!!

[New Year day]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

The nonsense on SSJ was pic.

don’t specify the regalia of this nonsense and how did he get into the commander’s chair?

[ancient]

Quote: prior

Remember the landing at Sheremetyevo?

What is there to remember? How .. "computer pilots" destroyed the plane and killed people?
So one simulator, without practice ... never leads to good, and even more so with a regular landing in the "automatic" ... without manual control it ... no words ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ancient

.. "computer pilots" destroyed the plane and killed people?
So one simulator, without practice ... never leads to good, and even more so with a regular landing in the "automatic" ... without manual control

You really simplify everything. I am sure that they do not make all the landings in the machine, probably somewhere around 3-5% according to the conditions.
I would not blame the modern generation for everything - they were so taught unfortunately. And to our misfortune, many of them have no desire to grow and gain confidence. Who forbids melee? Yes, no one, just no desire, afraid of catching up; Feel free to ask ... yes many reasons. If the businessmen do not understand, then the balance between flying and doing headstock will slide down to the headstock

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

I am sure that they do not make all the landings in the machine, probably somewhere around 3-5% according to the conditions.

I will not argue with you, you are in this pro!
I read the thoughts of "citizens" in the issue of AEX, so they said that the management of the company, almost by order, forced to sit only in the "machine"
Well, about the current generation ..... graduated from school, sat on the right cup, 4500 were "drugged" (why I doubt that the PIC allows the right takeoff, and even more so landing ... about flying in his arms with passengers on the train ... don't speak at all) ... so ... I don't even know what to say.?
One hope for "warriors" who quit and go to "civilization"? But there are not very many of them ... and the needs are ... big.

[Pete mitchell]

Well, how can they make them sit in the machine if there are no conditions: the airfield is not ready, hydraulic fracturing is not a rumor ... it doesn’t. Another thing is that the autopilot can be turned off at a minimum, and it is possible at 10000ft. On the echelon, they really do not allow flying on their hands, if everything is fine, but this is more due to the accuracy of navigation, and it makes no sense.
A balance must be sought between safety and the interests of the capitalists. Large European low costers are a good example: don’t buy low-cost pilots - they ruthlessly tear pilots and train them to a very good level very quickly, the weak ones simply can’t stand it.
Hope is not for warriors, although a positive factor, hope for the system: from the first entry in the book to the cockpit, while the autopilot learns to disconnect without further excitement and subsequent control ...

[Liam]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

I am sure that they do not do all the landings in the machine, probably somewhere around 3-5% under the conditions

You are poorly informed. Russian airlines require you to fly and board only on automatics

[Pete mitchell]

To the studio please.
And before you answer - look at the requirements

[Liam]

For God's sake, an open secret.
https://denokan.livejournal.com/157795.html

[Pete mitchell]

Can Part A be an example? I think the comrades explained everything in the end

[Pete mitchell]

So what about part A? It is desirable that the company name is visible

[Liam]

Your funny stories are not supported at all by any links to at least some documents .. and nothing)
At the disposal of "Fontanka" were the documents according to which they trained Denis, Maxim and other pilots of the "Sukhoi Superjet 100" flight squad of the Aeroflot airline. "Methodological materials for training and checking pilots on the RRJ-95 integrated flight simulator (another name for Sukhoi Superjet 100. - Fontanka's note)" was signed by Igor Petrovich Chalik, Deputy General Director - Flight Director of Aeroflot - Russian Airlines PJSC. They cover the pilot training period from July 2016 to June 2019.

They list all types of situations that are worked out for many hours on a complex simulator. It completely simulates the cockpit of this type of aircraft with all systems and control features in different modes and with various failures. None of the documents on simulator training mentions the development of control of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft in Direct mode, when pilots are left without the help of all automatic systems. The authenticity of the documents and the lack of simulator training for management in Direct mode Fontanka were confirmed by the pilots of the Aeroflot airline Sukhoi Superjet 100 flight squad.

“The situation is such that the airline recommends using autopilot to the maximum extent possible,” the commander of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft of Aeroflot told Fontanka, asking him not to indicate his name and surname. - Moreover, piloting in Direct mode, the most difficult mode without an automatic protection and assistance system, is not included in the training program on the simulator at all and is not even taught at the stage of retraining to this type. Management features are mentioned in the documents, but without practicing this knowledge about anything.

[Pete mitchell]

Read above: it says ... part A? Part d?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

... part A? Part d?

Quote: Liam

funny stories are generally not supported by any links to at least some documents.

If for you part A / D and other documents of any airline funny stories, fountain bring as a source, then do mercy - keep reading Murzilka and do not be distracted by VO.
Using a fountain I advise you to engage in a personal discussion with RossAviation, they will be interested

[Liam]

Citizen storyteller, you confuse your funny stories and 99% of the flooded people fill your posts on any topic with part A / D airlines)
PySy.A Fontanka gives scans of these documents. So go read at least something on the topic, starting with the MAK pre-orders. This will be more useful than Murzilka about Predictive Windshear Warning click)

[Pete mitchell]

Trust the originals, but if you are ready to believe the fountain, then

Quote: Pete Mitchell

I advise you to engage in full-time polemics with RossAviation, they will be interested

Quote: Liam

Fontanka gives scans of these documents

I can’t make out: where are the company names? And again I repeat: get acquainted with the documents, at least with the structure of the documentation, something will become more clear.

[Vladimir Rostovsky]

Here is a great video on this disaster, the comments there are also interesting

[Vladimir Rostovsky]

pilots are torn ruthlessly and dragged to a very good level very quickly, the weak can’t stand it

Clipping from comments below the video:
“As an A320 instructor pilot, I will say that the degradation of manual piloting skills is a real and serious problem in modern civil aviation. In my practice, I had a failure, which led to the transition of the aircraft to Direct Law.

Piloting in real conditions in this mode in the absence of practical skills (not acquired, on the simulator) requires the pilot to maximize concentration of attention, at which "tunnel vision" is formed, which fixes the pilot on piloting and lacks attention to other factors. At this moment, the behavior and skills of the co-pilot are more important than ever, who must prompt, command or even independently initiate a go-around (setting the throttle to takeoff mode), which should have been done at the first rebound. Since no one has ever trained to "annoy" in this mode, and the reaction of the aircraft to the movements of the sidestick is not the same as the pilots are used to over the years of practice in normal flights.

Why did the person who went through the "documents" to cope with the possible situation failed? Because he's bad? Wrong? Or because a complex of flaws in the training programs for flight personnel, in the organization of flight operations and in many other places made this flight accident possible? "

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Vladimir Rostovsky

the person who went through the "documents" preparation to cope with a possible situation failed? ... Wrong? Or because a complex of flaws in the training programs for flight personnel, in the organization of flight operations and in many other places made this flight accident possible? "

I think you yourself answered your question - all together. Retraining cannot cover everything, it is necessary to go through a three-year preparation cycle at least, and then again in a circle, and again ... And you also need to not be lazy on the line and sometimes load your own brains and hands with work .., otherwise autuland will really become a requirement

[Vladimir Rostovsky]

I didn’t ask any questions. This is a clipping from one large commentary by the pilot, I just divided the various parts of it in blank lines - this is understandable by quotation marks that close only at the end. I brought him and the video, because the more information from really understanding people on any issue (not a la Dushenov, etc.), the better for understanding the situation.

From the video and comments below it, I made the following conclusion for myself: the plane worked properly, the pilot did not have the necessary experience due to the fact that the companies did not properly prepare and the pilots were unprepared for such emergency situations, as this catastrophe showed - and Yes, the problem is complex and multifactorial.

[Pete mitchell]

In my opinion, you all already understood: the problem is systemic. As mentioned above: the sentence to the FAC will be a sentence to the entire system.

[Svarog51]

I see already "grappled", and in the same region. Can reduce heat?

[Ros 56]

Do not confuse the car and gouging at the helm.

[Servisinzhener]

Before the events of '14 there were such plans. But at the moment, the An-148 seems to have come to an end.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Servisinzhener

But at the moment, the An-148 seems to have come to an end.

and thank God!!

[knn54]

-Superjet army rejected due to low engines.
-An-148 Voronezh is no longer releasing.
The Tu-204 remains. But it is replacing the Tu-154.

[Stas157]

Quote: knn54

The Tu-204 remains. But it is replacing the Tu-154.

Turboprop IL-114 will be. It is close to the dimension of Tu134.

[sanik2020]

Yes, let them fly, it’s a pity or something, all the more money is needed for new ones, but these old people and peppy ones are used mainly for training and small transportation.

[den3080]

I once flew on the AN-24, in Cuba. It was back in Khrushchev’s time, probably.
peeling paint (inside and out), you cannot lean on the back of the seat - you fall back, everything creaks ...
It was unpleasant, at least. But there was no choice.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: den3080

I once flew on the AN-24, in Cuba.

Well, the Cubans are masters of everything to make a minibus. No offense, the Cubans.)))

[Aviator_]

I flew there in a small "Embraer". The plane is like an airplane, a little flaky, but cozy.

[AU Ivanov.]

You have not seen what flies on the MVL in Argentina. As you recall, you will tremble.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: den3080

I once flew on the AN-24 ... peeling paint (inside and out), you can’t lean on the back of the seat - you fall back, everything creaks ...
It was unpleasant, at least. But there was no choice.

In your description, change Cuba to Ukraine, the year 2008 and the Boryspil-Odessa flight: I remembered with such warmth the An-26 military .... I got back differently

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

I remembered with such warmth the An-26 military ..

.... or did they carry a ZS or ear plugs with them? And what pleasure on iron shops to beat off an ass?
And the "rumble" in it is like in the Be-12.

[Pete mitchell]

Compared to the civilian Ukrainian An-24, the military -26 I remembered with warmth. Moreover, the level of comfort is about the same

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

I -26 recalled with warmth

Well, I don’t know ... it means to an amateur
But I still have memories from the flight of Mary-Kabul-Shindant on the An-26 .... like the guys who fly "on long propellers" for 17 hours ...... the same rumble in their ears.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ancient

Well I do not know...:

Yes, I, too, was not at all enthusiastic, but who asked us then. But in 2008, the An-24 on the line - this is nonsense, well, it reminded me .. that of comfort, that of decay ...

[NN52]

Pete Mitchell Pete Mitchell
Normally, I flew in January 2016 on a military An 26 .. Comfort "military", I did not complain about "iron" benches, all the rules .. Belbek-Marinovka-Savasleyka ..
The brother did not complain either, and "was pleased."

[orionvitt]

Quote: sanik2020

Yes, let them fly, what a pity

Indeed, a great plane, let them fly. Time to undergo maintenance, and no problems.

[bober1982]

It is difficult to find a more reliable aircraft (Tu-134), forgiving piloting errors.

[AU Ivanov.]

And what a sound from the engines! How it squeals. You can't confuse the "whistle" with anything

[bober1982]

Well, what do you want, the plane was created half a century ago.
"Little Carcass" is a good plane.

[Pete mitchell]

If I’m not mistaken, the elders said: little Tupolev in the entire history of operation, there is one, and then controversial, accident in the plane.

[Alex_59]

As if they have a choice. There are no new domestic-made aircraft in this class. And we cannot use international projects, because of sanctions. Until 2033, there was nothing left. What will they fly after?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alex_59

What will they fly after?

You can fly on transporters.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Piramidon

You can fly on transporters.

Are you aware that the Tu-134 in the Ministry of Defense is used as personal aircraft at the highest command echelon and is equipped for the work of the commander and his staff? Tu-134 have a special index Tu-134USUS, a SUS-special communication center, in the popular designation - " awl in the priest ", there is a characteristic antenna on the sirloin. And there are not only equipment, but also certain conveniences for work. Plus the size, range and other performance characteristics of the Tu-134 are ideal for just such a purpose. To drive for the commander of the Il-76 district is too much. And we do not have transport workers in a lower class. An-12, if something has not been produced since the 70s and has an unsealed cargo compartment, in which it is cold, the wind is walking, there is an enchanting howl from the engines. And the 134th was also good in that it landed on any dry airfield with curved plates, on which all the wheels of these SSJs would fly off in a moment.

[ancient]

Quote: Alex_59

An-12 if that is not produced since the 70s and has an airtight cargo compartment

Well on the An-12 there is a wonderful GERMOOTSEK (which is part of the cockpit ).
Up to 19 people can be "crammed" with someone with .. "nose" problems .. though only after takeoff .. because of alignment
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Sometimes the "army" chiefs did not disdain. not to mention divisional

[ancient]

Quote: ancient

Well on the An-12 there is a wonderful GERMOOTSEK

The photo is not .. "attached"
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[Piramidon]

Quote: ancient

Well on the An-12 there is beautiful GERMOOTSEK

FUCKING BEAUTIFUL! Relatively free which can accommodate 4-5 people. There was a repeated experience of 8-9 hour flights in this "dog lover" in the eight. Neither lie down nor sit down really where, not to mention "piss". Taught by bitter experience, they took with them regular onboard urinals from our Tu-95s.

[ancient]

Quote: Piramidon

FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!

Exactly wonderful, since he had once experience of flying in the cargo hold, at echelon 3900 (the dispatcher "drove" in spite of K.K.'s report that he was carrying ... "passengers" and naturally, without any K.O.
Clothing form summer jumpsuit and leather .... 3,5 hours
So the flight to GK is .... for happiness.
Well, and what of the fact that there’s no place to cast .... An-12 doesn’t fly far and far ... and you can tolerate

[NN52]

ancient

And what is so special at an altitude of 3900m? What did you need KCO? Burning, as usual))

[ancient]

Quote: NN52

Burning, as usual))

God ... what are you ..... WOODEN full length .... you are exactly ..2 where is2 .. "leyal" and not ... "brought tails"?

Federal Aviation Rules
“Preparation and execution of flights in the civil aviation of the Russian Federation”
(approved by the order of the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation of July 31, 2009 N 128)

Oxygen supply
2.13. The crew of the aircraft controls the availability of oxygen before flight and its use for breathing by crew members and passengers:

a) when flying at altitudes where the barometric altitude in the cockpit is from 3000 m to 4000 m for more than 30 minutes - all crew members and at least 10% of passengers for a period of time exceeding 30 minutes;

b) when flying at altitudes where the barometric altitude in the cockpit exceeds 4000 m - during the whole time for all crew members and passengers;

[NN52]

ancient

It’s not interesting for me to communicate with you, engineer ...
And tell you about the passage of the pressure chamber on the VLK .. (what and how, and with what "platforms", and at what height ..)
"Google" further ... and post it here ..
And again, for graduates of the Kharkov Aviation Institute, do not learn to fly and do not tell stories here. I warned you.

[NN52]

ancient

When you drink in "self-isolation", please have a snack, my advice to you ...
Have you ever passed a pressure chamber? I laugh at you ...
WITH REDUCED ????????? Engineer, okts ...
The most interesting thing on the site ...
Ancient (Random), well enough is enough to carry heresy .... Your destiny is ceigrics ... well, humble yourself already ...
Well, it's already tired ...

[NN52]

ancient
And yet, so, on trifles ... not K.O. (and KCO), how are you, who graduated from KhAI, and you don’t know ...
This is the little things ... comments ..

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: ancient

like that rooster sitting on a perch, like it in Siberia .. "something" froze "

Quote: ancient

Don't disgrace ... "bubble"

My friend, doesn’t it seem to you that you are openly rude?

[ancient]

Quote: Golovan Jack

but do not you think that you are openly rude?

Yes, I am him exclusively ... "loving" old-fashioned and condescending (I’ll tell you a secret why ... because I'm afraid ... get dirty)

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: ancient

because I'm afraid ... get dirty

And again rude.

Buddy, rudeness in the discussion - the first sign of a weak position ... do not panic, good advice to you

[ancient]

Quote: Golovan Jack

, rudeness in the discussion - the first sign of a weak position

And again I agree, but ... "gets it" already ... honestly .....
And how to "get rid" of ... him ... I just do not know .... in an amicable way ... he does not understand.
And how to talk with ........ (again S. Lavrov in the subject ) ... only in his language ... and so .... "kindness for weakness" will be accepted ...... dialectics ... "understand"

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: ancient

ancient

Judging by the style of presenting your thoughts, I can confidently assume that you are somewhere "under the fly."

You are in vain, buddy. Experience shows that the airing after taking a tonic ends ... sadly. More accurate

[ancient]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Judging by the style of presenting your thoughts, I can confidently assume that you are somewhere "under the fly."

You are deeply mistaken .... since December 1999 ... I do not drink and ... even beer ... I do not smell
Remember the famous phrase from the film "Peculiarities of National Fishing" ...... "What do you understand in naval humor" (no offence )

[NN52]

ancient

and you will not get rid of ... you yourself had problems when you decided on the VO website to retrain from an engineer as a "pilot". Why did you need it? Honestly, answer?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alex_59

Do you know that the Tu-134 in the Ministry of Defense is used as personal aircraft in the highest command and equipped for the work of the commander and his staff?

Even several times happened to fly on this. (The commander of the KSF urged us when it was urgently necessary to transfer the horsepower.) But you can equip any aircraft with all this stuffing. Well, as for

And the 134th was still good because it would land on any airborne airfield with curved slabs, on which all SSJ wheels would fly off at the moment.

then the transporter is more suitable for this. Even sits on the ground. It is hoped that the IL-112 will nevertheless bring to mind. After all, the Tu-134 is not eternal, and sooner or later it will be necessary to change it.

[alex aircraft]

Effective managers ditched that 334 in favor: a miracle: they did a super jet and An 148 in Vaso. Tell us the Zaporozhye engines, there was nothing to bury the Novorossiya project and the history of the Russian state would be different !! but alas ... but in Syria there were 5 victories over igil ...

[Zhan]

Well, what can I say, so far there is nothing to replace. Work on the Tu-334 for some reason stopped, although the location of the engines is similar. In my opinion, there would be a very worthy change.

[AU Ivanov.]

Tu-334 was 20 years late for commercials. Nowadays, the car is outdated.

[Thrifty]

Because there is nothing to replace them with! All programs for the creation of new passenger aircraft fail safely with a bang! Not even with a bang, but a roar! Poor MC21 is not able to "give birth", because there is not enough money, as always!

[AU Ivanov.]

We have never had a competitive civilian aircraft. At least in the 70s and 80s. Therefore, we cannot give birth, how much money do not give. We do not know how. But we are trying.

[Pvi1206]

Soviet civilian aircraft were not so bad compared to Western ones ... And most importantly, they were 100% ours. But the West does not need competitors in the field of industry ... therefore, it was ordered to stop their production and operation. German Gref (when he was Minister of Economics) made a visor and fulfilled the instructions of his masters.

[AU Ivanov.]

Soviet aircraft were operated exactly up to the moment when it was somehow cost-effective. High fuel consumption and the associated low payload and low range, in comparison with Western counterparts, did not leave the slightest chance to domestic technology. Plus the primitiveness of avionics and, as a consequence, 4-member crews. And we were not able to do other planes.

[Aviator_]

High fuel consumption and the associated low payload and low range compared to Western counterparts

But the Poles for some reason with all their Russophobia flew on the Tu-154M. If not for the birch, letapi would still be. And birch trees can even prevent the most modern liners from flying.

[AU Ivanov.]

So Polish Tupol is a military board, not commercial. For the military, fuel consumption is not the main indicator.

[IL-2]

The military Tu-134 and Tu-154 raid is simply ridiculous in comparison with the civilian sides. Almost fresh cars, not all of course. + special equipment on board which is sooo expensive + the ability to board a complex airfield + safety margin.
P.S. And the years that - military bombers of the Second World War, some in the ranks fly at exhibitions. It all depends on the care and skill of the pilots.

[iouris]

As a VIP taxi or for training navigators? I think there are problems: the crew size (two pilots), outdated navigation equipment: there are already no navigators on airplanes. By the way, if memory serves, they were built in Kharkov, which is not good.

[ancient]

Quote: iouris

As a VIP taxi or for training navigators?

And what about the Tu-134 UBL for training Tambovites on the Tu-22M3?

[Bshkaus]

The main thing is that the operation would not be prolonged by reducing the reliability and wear of the main components of the aircraft. Nobody has yet canceled the physical age and wear of metal.
For the rest, of course, it would not be bad to replace it with more modern cars, it's not even about "show-off" but the banal fuel consumption, noise level, quality of navigation systems and avionics in general. Indeed, if something happens (God forbid), it is not the rank and file that moves on board the aircraft, and it takes decades to train the senior officers and generals.
But at the same time, the US Air Force also still operates the S-135, developed in the distant 50s, and its civilian version of the Boeing-707 can only be found in museums, and the remaining S-135 is mainly reconnaissance aircraft with very expensive equipment and it does not bother anyone.

[iouris]

It only looks like the C-135, "developed in the distant 50s" ...

[exo]

A good airplane. Very reliable. One power steering on the rudder. There is practically nothing to break.
Eight years, I worked hard for them. Then, eight years, episodically. As a passenger, it has long been outdated. In the Air Force, still quite serve. But noisy! The whistle, in general!

[Zaurbek]

The SSJ is both more comfortable and resourceful than the Tu134 and Pilots can be called up for civilians. The speed is only lower and I don’t know how to land on airfields that are not civilian ....? In any case, avionics must either be changed or supplemented. And the range of the SSJ is up to 5-6000km in some versions.