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The Ministry of Defense will continue to operate the Tu-134 until 2033

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The Ministry of Defense will continue to operate the Tu-134 until 2033

The Russian Ministry of Defense does not yet plan to abandon the operation of the Tu-134, several dozen aircraft will remain in service until 2033. It is reported by RIA News with reference to an informed source.


According to the source of the agency, the military department will leave in operation several dozen Tu-134 aircraft, at least until 2033. The life of these machines is 50 years and by the announced date of this age will reach the "youngest" Tu-134, available in the operation of the Ministry of Defense. The existing Tu-134 fleet will be gradually replaced by other aircraft of this class as they reach their service life.

Several dozen Tu-134 aircraft will be operated by the Ministry of Defense until 2033

- the agency leads the words of the source.

According to available information, to date, 36 units of the Tu-134A and Tu-134A-3 are on the balance of the Ministry of Defense. In 2017, plans were announced to replace the obsolete Tu-134 with the An-148.

Note that the passenger version of the Tu-134 was removed from domestic Russian flights last year. The last Tu-134 made its final flight on May 20, 2019, delivering passengers from Irkutsk to Mirny. Then the plane flew to Novosibirsk, where they will make a museum out of it. aviation.

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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 23 2020 10: 08 New
    0
    By the principle - the old horse will not spoil the furrow?
    Somehow it turns out that the operation of the type of aircraft in the military continues until a loud disaster.
    Examples - Tu-104 before the death of the command of the TF, Tu-154 before the disaster in Sochi (if still exploited, then sorry!).
    Well, the Tu-134 is simply beautiful!
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 23 2020 16: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: Victor_B
      Well, the Tu-134 is simply beautiful!

      The Tu-154 is prettier ... But this "arrow" will re-enlighten anyone .. not for nothing that his name is "whistle"
      In general, there are many questions. That said
      According to available information, to date, 36 units of the Tu-134A and Tu-134A-3 are on the balance of the Ministry of Defense.
      This is just this type, but how many more Tu-134 Sh and Tu-134 UBL are available?
      And one of them is really very unusual and beautiful, it’s the "Black Pearl"


      In 2017, plans were announced to replace the obsolete Tu-134 with the An-148.
      Well, these plans can be crossed out for sure ... and apparently you should think about ordering instead of passenger "whistles" - IL-114
  2. paul72
    paul72 April 23 2020 10: 12 New
    -6
    Let them change to a superjet, what else is the an-148?
    1. prior
      prior April 23 2020 10: 24 New
      +7
      Compare Superjet and TU-134, it is as if to compare the hard worker and dude.
      It looks brilliant, but in fact it’s a mess. Remember the landing at Sheremetyevo?
      Yes, and there Russian with Gulkin .....
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener April 23 2020 10: 35 New
        18
        It wasn’t a matter of a woman, ignoramus was sitting in a cabin ...
        Yes, and there Russian with Gulkin .....
        But this can be a serious problem especially for the Moscow Region. Because may prohibit the supply of components and aircraft just stand up.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 10: 59 New
        15
        The nonsense on SSJ was pic. You can put ANY airplane on the strip. From An-2 to B-787.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 23 2020 11: 04 New
          +9
          Aeroflot saves on drug training. In fact, this was the first attempt to manually land an aircraft (and even overloaded with fuel) at the FAC. With a known result. In the order of delirium, it was optimal to fly along the route or spin in the air until fuel was generated, but this is a direct violation of the instructions; the FAC did not go for it. It would still have to be planted manually, but at least without fuel.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 11: 14 New
            +7
            It is worth recognizing that the current "button players" do not work very well with their hands. To tear off such a "goat" must still be managed. Where in a hurry? Why bothered?
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ April 23 2020 13: 06 New
              0
              The video clearly showed how the PIC did, it seems, everything was right, removed the vertical speed, but for some reason at a height of 2 m above the strip, and then the plane crashed.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 13: 24 New
                +3
                High alignment, removed the gases in a heavy car, and then flopped. And after the rebound, he began to plague.
                1. ancient
                  ancient April 23 2020 14: 14 New
                  10
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  High alignment, removed the gases in a heavy car, and then flopped.

                  With all due respect drinks write everything like that, just alignment there ... and it doesn't smell.
                  The PIC as "enchanted" "stormed" RUS'om "from itself-on itself to extreme situations".
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  removed the gases in a heavy car

                  The PIC made it even worse - turned the ORE to the “MAXIMUM REVERSE” position, but ..... the reverse flaps did not open, since there were no signals to compress the main landing gear. And then ... "second plop"
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  after the rebound, he began to plague.

                  After separation after the second “plop”, he “thrust” the RUDs into the “TAKEOFF”, and RUS pulled himself all the way, but ... there was no craving (the reasons described above).
                  Then the third “plop” on V is about 250, with an overload of 5 g. on partially destroyed main racks.
                  And as a consequence of all this .. "deeds" - there was a vandalization of the main landing gear, further destruction of the aircraft structure with a fuel spill and fire
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 14: 38 New
                    +3
                    I didn’t fly this type, I didn’t even have any reverses, I had “thrust screws”. I saw that the pilot, after the first bounce, tried to annoy the helm with himself.
                    1. ancient
                      ancient April 23 2020 15: 34 New
                      10
                      Quote: AU Ivanov.
                      I saw that the pilot, after the first bounce, tried to annoy the wheelhouse with himself.

                      That would not translate the issue into the "plane" of the dispute ... here ... extracts from the IAC report:
                      According to the report, the commission qualifies it as "very rude", since the magnitude of the overload was more than 2,55g.
                      A rough landing of an airplane with a mass exceeding the maximum landing mass includes landing with a vertical overload of 1.94 - 2.25 g, and a very rough landing with a vertical overload of more than 2.25 g.
                      In the "DIRECT MODE" mode, automatic release of brake flaps (spoilers) is not provided, the crew did not produce manual spoilers.

                      During the approach, the control actions of the PIC increasing in amplitude on the side control stick (BRU) in pitch were recorded up to until full speed as "on my own", and so on with relatively prolonged retention in extreme positions.

                      At a distance of ≈ 900 m from the entrance end of the runway and the instrument speed of 158 kt (293 km / h), the first touch of the runway aircraft occurred.

                      After landing, the aircraft was separated to a height of no more than ≈ 5 - 6 ft (2 m).

                      “According to the Bulletin of the Landing Technique for the flight crew, in the case of insignificant separation (less than 5 ft) of the aircraft from the runway after touching, it is necessary to fix the BRU in the position reached at the time of the touch, not allowing a change in the pitch angle and keeping the throttle in the IDLE position, and complete landing.
                      Also, do not allow an increase in pitch angle, especially after a rough landing with a large angular velocity along the pitch angle.
                      In the case of a high separation (more than 5 ft) of the aircraft from the runway after touching, it is necessary to fix the BRU in the position reached at the time of contact and, avoiding changing the pitch angle, go to the second circle. "

                      After separation, the BRU continued to be held in a position completely “away from you”, which led to the development of the angular pitching speed of the dive to 10.5 m / s, the rapid decrease of the pitching angle to 4º for diving and re-landing of the aircraft ahead of the front landing gear.
                      Re-landing occurred 2.2 s after the first landing at an instrument speed of 155 kt (287 km / h).
                      I understand that there is a lot .. "bukFF", but .... highlighted the main thing on our topic and as a conclusion -... he like ... "ram" rested his horn on the runway and kept the RUS until it was repeated .. "plop ", so about nothing there ..." molestation dacha of the helm ".. .. there can be no question!
                      Yours faithfully, soldier
                      So .. "minus" ..... not objective wink
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 16: 00 New
                        +2
                        I just put a plus sign for you.
                      2. ancient
                        ancient April 23 2020 17: 42 New
                        +4
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        I just put a plus sign for you.

                        Excuse ...... "did not report" .... in old age, ...... ...... it’s good that it’s not .. "outside the polygon" drinks soldier
                    2. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 8 May 2020 15: 15 New
                      +4
                      hi but he’s already giving an interview, haven’t read it ?: they designed it badly, it’s bad to certify, but he is sorry that he participated in the events ...
                    3. ancient
                      ancient 8 May 2020 15: 27 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      and he already gives an interview, didn’t read?

                      Yes I read .. about two or three days ago ...... impressions ... "twofold" recourse
                    4. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 8 May 2020 15: 30 New
                      +4
                      Well, the guy was well prepared to distract the attention of faint-hearted citizens. But I think after a collision on the design and certification - not a ride
                    5. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 8 May 2020 15: 33 New
                      +4
                      If I didn’t miss any of the known data, then they definitely won’t get away from the failed Evacuation card, and this is a crime
                    6. ancient
                      ancient 8 May 2020 15: 39 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      then they definitely won’t get away from the failed Evacuation card, but this is a crime

                      Here I completely agree with you ... "prayer" is .. obligatory! The first thing they hear is the voice recorders and all the jambs on the "violation" of the RLE come up.
                    7. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 8 May 2020 15: 46 New
                      +4
                      In addition to other violations in reading the Check Cards and failure to perform the actions read: failure to evacuate is the release of passengers under running engines, and the engines seem to have stood up after they were filled with foam
                2. ancient
                  ancient 8 May 2020 15: 37 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Pete Mitchell
                  But I think after a collision on the design and certification - not a ride

                  A little "familiar" with the "style of work of the department of Ms. Anodina" .... the options may be different ..... already wrote ... "who and how can open the door with his foot" ... remember the late Andrei Nikolaevich .. ...
      3. NN52
        NN52 April 23 2020 19: 53 New
        +5
        ancient
        Do you distinguish the RUS and the joystick? Or you do not care?
        I don’t understand how you can fly with this joystick ..
        And you don’t need Internet interpretations of the catastrophe, passing off investigations of this catastrophe as your personal analytics is ugly ...
        1. ancient
          ancient April 24 2020 12: 16 New
          -1
          Quote: NN52
          Do you distinguish the RUS and the joystick? Or you do not care?

          FOR ESPECIALLY ... "gifted" fool I’ll highlight FAT (it’s clear that you don’t know how to fly, but to read and understand something ... in your practice, you haven’t seen such "individuals").
          quote - "Excerpts from the IAC report:
          - BRU - lateral A PEN management.
          I write (out of habit) -RUS - A PEN aircraft control.
          What is the difference???? The fact that he “crashed” the plane and killed people that he “pedaled” not with RUS, but with BUR. ????
          Would you ....... pass by wassat
          1. NN52
            NN52 April 24 2020 12: 51 New
            +5
            I have heard many such gifted "googolshkolniki" ..
            I look after you ...
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          3. NN52
            NN52 April 24 2020 15: 18 New
            +6
            Who said that at 30? And even more so without a military pension?
            Once again I repeat, go study aviation in Google, maybe you can subtract something clever.
            You have a lot of smiles and capital letters, like a naughty schoolboy.
            And I recommend not to be rude ...
          4. ancient
            ancient April 24 2020 15: 42 New
            -1
            Quote: NN52
            Who said that at 30? And even more so without a military pension?

            Your letters to me put in the "open air"? bully
            Quote: NN52
            And I recommend not to be rude ...

            Recommend to children .... "recommender" ... fake wassat
          5. NN52
            NN52 April 24 2020 16: 33 New
            +6
            Letters to whom? Do not understand? In PM, I corresponded with Random and Sergey 1982.
            And on the site here in the comments I wrote that I left 32 g from aviation to retire. (and not at 30 years old, 2 years of flying, is it a plus 4 years of preferential length of service. Or does the person under the nickname Ancient do not know this? Is it not written in Google?)
            Some kind of association can be traced: Random-Sergey 1982 - Ancient.
            Even I posted my diploma photo) In my comments you can find everything.

            And something you recently merged here, about my proposal about flight books ..........

            Lay out my "letters" as you say.
            Something you start to bother me, your dullness and pseudo-coolness ..
          6. ancient
            ancient April 24 2020 17: 07 New
            -2
            Quote: NN52
            2 years of flying, this is a plus 4 years of preferential length of service.

            Yeah in the post of acting Nach.PDS and she was still flying this post ????
            And he wrote to me that in 1999 you were completely written off and your "preferential services" in 5 regiments, in which you supposedly managed to serve ... are very doubtful ... well, even if it’s already 5 years in a flight position, it’s 10 ..... four “schools”, it’s 14 ..... somewhere else “years” to retire in preferential terms based on length of service, huh?
            Than with you .. a little measured .. "pipirki" ... yes I'm talking to you through force.
            Everything ... go .. "past" already completely ... from you ..... "smells", as Pete Mitchell used to say in one masterpiece film. wassat
          7. NN52
            NN52 April 24 2020 17: 22 New
            +7
            This is when I wrote to you, eccentric? and about 99, too, did I write? in 99, I was with Lebyazhka (we relocated there, otherwise you will go dumb again, you won’t understand), I shot back immediately, day and night. Do you understand? where did they shoot and why with Lebyazhka?)
            Wow...
            Random? or Sergey 1982 with Courage? Open your face, pseudo-pilot?
            Well, the stench comes from you ...
            About flight books again ignore?))))
  3. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell April 24 2020 16: 06 New
    +7
    Well you’re not so diplomatic to each other, that's enough stop
    Ancient, maybe we are of different generations with you, but as I said: some of the things that you sound more familiar to the wiki fans, we did not even use such designations for example. And you know how much fate has slashed there, too, no one asked, and there everything happened. Specifically Fifty second and can share 'impressions', cut the Almighty.
    You head-on ask what they cut you, what are you so condescending? There will be a mood - share.
    I repeat, back to the discussion
  4. ancient
    ancient April 24 2020 16: 37 New
    -2
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Well you’re not so diplomatic to each other, that's enough

    Yes, I forgot about him and I don’t even remember, but ... correctly wrote in the old days - "the bug is small ... yes stinky" or .. "the pug is so strong that barks at the elephant"?
    I had a discussion with you ... what ... "is this a miracle" again or again .. "stuck"? wassat
    And even more so .. to tell me ... "I'll look after you" ???? belay
    It is he who is trying to position himself out of himself ????
    So I understand that you are trying to "defend with your breasts ......." your right, but then be objective, otherwise the double standards will .. "stick" an example - ... he’s on me you, this is normal, but here I am to him ... for some reason this is nonsense
    .So .. somewhere soldier
    And about .. "impressions" ... you know nothing .... I know his whole "pedigree" ... there is nothing .. "to be impressed", except that "mumbling on the shelves", but "sores" ... .well, he was not so lucky .... but what he really can share is with the medical and medical institutions ... wow ... here he is .. "special" .. in captivity.
  5. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell April 24 2020 16: 58 New
    +8
    It was I who didn’t accidentally send you a clue about the stupid translation? Year ago
  6. ancient
    ancient April 24 2020 17: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    It was I who didn’t accidentally send you a clue about the stupid translation? Year ago

    No ... I didn’t contact you on such a question. (I know that you speak English very well), but I have a senior ... in general (an Anglo-American with a “cross-section” of a German, a little less than a Frenchman .. and now he’s taken and for ... "the Apennine Peninsula") laughing
    Now, when is it time? belay
    So I don’t have problems with translations at all wink
  7. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell April 24 2020 17: 44 New
    +5
    Languages ​​are useful, my father felt this for a long time and tried on me. And with Italian, it’s not in particular frets - too fast language. There was one random comrade, I had to explain ...
    Take mercy - take a break; here lovers of fountains and wiki abound
  8. ancient
    ancient April 24 2020 19: 53 New
    -1
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Take mercy - take a break; here lovers of fountains and wiki abound

    soldier
  9. NN52
    NN52 April 24 2020 22: 26 New
    +5
    laughing C HAI? Is that considered cool?))))))
    And he got on with Taganrog ??? I believe ... You had it.
  10. NN52
    NN52 April 24 2020 22: 36 New
    +5

    Waiting for comments from you.

    How can I finish a technical university, and here to teach us how to fly ??? Rzhu)))
  11. Svarog51
    Svarog51 April 24 2020 19: 53 New
    +5
    Tramp hi There is on the site "Italian" under the name "Lime" in English transcription. Dmitry "rich" with him in a good relationship. If you need help in communication, I can as a parliamentarian. But Dmitry will understand everything, without my intervention. Contact for a relationship.
  12. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell April 25 2020 02: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: ancient
    ..on such a question

    You are not a sinner to enlighten about the accident of the Su-17, when it had torn off the rotary parts of the wing during a salvo from UPK-23?
  13. NN52
    NN52 April 24 2020 19: 57 New
    +6
    Ancient
    Last time I propose to put here a real-time photo of flight books (you ignore it for a long time), otherwise you are a balobol (to put it mildly), rare.
    I clearly explained everything?
    Otmazy that the flight book (or books, with the mega-raid you lost, are not accepted).

    And by the way, about medicine ... I wrote off in Funik.
  • ancient
    ancient April 23 2020 13: 47 New
    +8
    Quote: Aviator_
    The video clearly showed how the PIC did, like everything was right

    I don’t even want to comment on your .. "pearl" soldier
    Once again, look carefully .... your FAC violated everything that it could - increased Vpos (almost 300 km / h) did you see which calculation? Next - the "buildup" of the aircraft (jabbed RUS from "extreme" to "extreme"), during the first separation, "thrust" the RUS completely from itself and "sat" on the main stand (further, as in the textbook - "progress" am) Well, and then a bunch of all kinds of “little things” leading to a sharp drop in speed and “splashing” on concrete “with a huge overload”.
    You can see the result, as well as the whole "picture"
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ April 23 2020 14: 45 New
      -4
      Well, your “pearl” still comment. Of course, it is more visible from the sofa, but how often did you have to put a passenger with full tanks after a lightning strike? Moreover, the first time in manual mode. Here it is worth wondering that at least someone escaped. Wines - on the leadership of Aeroflot
      1. ancient
        ancient April 23 2020 15: 09 New
        +7
        Quote: Aviator_
        how often did you have to land a passenger with full tanks

        Never, since I did not pilot civilian aircraft. request
        Quote: Aviator_
        with full tanks

        We, in military aviation, are trying headlong .. "to be friends" and either produce fuel or are drained accidentally. soldier
        And with Gmax.pos sometimes happened wink and with weights not as "meager" as on "Super" wassat
        As well as with a smooth wing and incompletely flap flaps (this is generally regular), with an IOD practically every flight change if we fly in the area of ​​the aerodrome, and so on ... according to the KBP department and when someone is "taken out" or .. . "checking."
        Twice did not sit on the wing in the landing configuration.
        Well, a lot of anything happened.
        So our (military) level of flight training is ....... "heaven and earth", compared with .. "civilian" wink
        Quote: Aviator_
        It, of course, is more visible from a sofa

        "Jab" and your sarcasm is not accepted, since I earned my "sofa" and then with blood ... so I have the right ... "bruise" laughing
        Quote: Aviator_
        Here it is worth wondering that at least someone escaped. Wines - on the leadership of Aeroflot

        Here I practically agree with everything ... but I knew the times when the pilots of the Civil Air Fleet were prepared very seriously and with flight training and training everything was good
        1. not main
          not main April 23 2020 22: 25 New
          +7
          Quote: ancient
          .but I knew the times when the Civil Air Fleet pilots were prepared very seriously and with flight training and training it was all

          That was it! Now this is not. My brother works as a dispatcher at the airport, so he says that they haven’t been imprisoned in melee for a long time! And in fact they don’t know how! And about the dispatchers ... who do not know about the speed triangle and there is nothing to say.
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 25 2020 15: 51 New
          +1
          We, in military aviation, are trying headlong .. "to be friends" and either produce fuel or are drained accidentally.

          And you can not assume that the instructions for civil aviation and military may vary? Moreover, there is simply no emergency fuel drain system on the Super Budget, as on all civilian aircraft constructed after 2005. The demand of environmentalists (Greta Tunberg), however.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 17: 06 New
        +6
        Landing with a mass exceeding the landing is a procedure prescribed in the RLE and an exercise practiced on the simulator.
        I had to land the An-26 with a mass greater than the landing one, because of the engine that refused to be equipped. We have been taught this. Well, we knew how to fly hand to hand.
        1. ancient
          ancient April 23 2020 17: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Landing with a mass exceeding the landing is a procedure prescribed in the RLE and an exercise practiced on the simulator.

          Well on the Tu-22M3 "gap" on Gpos. large 78-88 tone. G max. After- 92 tons .. in principle, the same is normal ... but if more and ... "something" in the appendage-type ... one engine, flaps 23, etc .... then there’s a landing 400 (and the same restrictions on pneumatics) ... in general .. a "problem" ... but 3% of the total number of landings is allowed. but then necessarily through TEC.
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          I had to land the An-26 with a mass greater than the landing one, due to a failure in the engine kit

          Cool! good
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          We have been taught this. Well, we knew how to fly hand to hand.

          So am I about the same drinks soldier
      3. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek April 25 2020 16: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: Aviator_
        Wines - on the leadership of Aeroflot

        pilots like vasheeeeeee not guilty ??? belay
  • ancient
    ancient April 23 2020 13: 29 New
    +6
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    To tear off such a "goat" must still be managed.

    Well, ours, too ... "can" and on all types ... but as they say .. "myself" .. well, in extreme cases, the crew .. "killed", and here .... passengers .... here you have to be a master of your craft, and not how ... "the current tribe ... of citizens" soldier
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell April 23 2020 11: 16 New
    +8
    Quote: Aviator_
    - it was optimal to fly on ....

    Hurry is needed when catching fleas: FAC decided to sit down / right or wrong - another question / - it was necessary not to fuss when approaching the butt and most likely everything would have worked out
    1. ancient
      ancient April 23 2020 12: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Pete Mitchell
      it was necessary not to fuss when approaching the butt and most likely everything would have worked out

      So yes ... that's just for this you need to be able to pilot on your hands, and not on .. "autopilot".
      They probably already don’t remember, and didn’t know (if only in the "school") what the entry and landing on the OSB is.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell April 23 2020 17: 17 New
        +7
        Quote: ancient
        must be able to pilot.

        To pilot in general, there is an opportunity - use all available resources. Omitting everything that they had heaped up to approach at the end of the strip: I decided to sit down - sit down. He fussed at Predictive Windshear Warning / ahead perhaps wind shear /, remembered the existence of instructions and began to fuss: this is the only way to explain his work by sidestick: several times back and forth ... people are insanely sorry.
        The sentence to him should be the sentence of the entire training system. There below, a colleague asks the right question of a legal and ethical nature.
        Commercia, but there are very positive examples
        1. ancient
          ancient April 23 2020 17: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          The sentence to him should be the sentence of the entire training system.

          I agree completely! soldier
        2. Liam
          Liam April 23 2020 22: 03 New
          -1
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          He fussed when triggered / a wind shift is possible ahead /, remembered the existence of instructions and fussed: this is the only way to explain his work with a sidestick: several times back and forth

          To write terms that are incomprehensible to the general public to look like an expert does not always mean that the Persian is aware of what he is writing about) In reality, the pilot worked with the BRU in an attempt to extinguish the vertical speed, and not because of the Predictive Windshear Warning. A minute and a half passed between these events.
          Did you even read the IAC report on this disaster before telling stories here?


          В 15:28:26 when passing a height of 1600 ft (490 m) along QNH (height along
          1100 ft (335 m) radio altimeter WINDSHEAR alarm detected
          WARNING, which is generated by the crew warning system according to the function
          meteorological radar shear prediction, accompanied by the voice message "GO-
          AROUND, WINDSHEAR AHEAD. " This warning informs the crew about
          the possible presence of wind shear ahead of the course of flight. Duration of work
          the alarm was 11 seconds, during this time 2.5 warning cycles sounded
          (5 voice messages, each cycle consists of two messages in a row, with an interval between
          1 second cycles). The crew did not discuss the operation of this alarm.
          Note: In the QRH section “W / S AHEAD” (see section 1.18.8 of this report)
          it is indicated that when this alarm is triggered during the approach phase
          landing crew must complete the departure to the second round. At the same
          time, at the beginning of the section there is a note that if the crew made sure
          the absence of wind shear and other signs of wind shear, and
          RWS system is operational, then this warning action is not
          requires. Similar provisions are contained in the airline RPP.
          ............
          В 15:29:54 at a true height of 17 ft (5.2 m), an audible alarm
          “RETARD. RETARD ", indicating the achievement of the recommended height for
          ore harvesting to the “SMALL GAS” position during the leveling process. At the same time with
          with the advent of the alarm, the FAC began cleaning the ore.
          Almost simultaneously with the cleaning of the ore to the “SMALL GAS” position, the PIC started
          alignment of the aircraft, deflecting the self-propelled ballistic control panel "by itself" by 8.8 (65% of the stroke) Further
          registered increasing in amplitude control actions of the FAC on the switchgear
          in pitch up to full speed both “from yourself” and “towards yourself” with relatively
          prolonged retention in extreme positions. These control actions
          led to alternating pitch angle changes (+ 6º ... - 2º). At 15:30:00 at the distance
          ≈ 900 m from the entrance end of the runway and the instrument speed of 158 kt (293 km / h) the first
          runway touch
          .
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 April 24 2020 19: 57 New
            +4
            lime hi In with the Vagabond in one "location", if you contact the direct, I’m superfluous.
  • ancient
    ancient April 23 2020 13: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Aviator_
    In the order of delirium, it was optimal to fly along the route or spin in the air until fuel was generated, but this is a direct violation of the instructions

    Absolutely not true. What you write is precisely the order of pilots in such circumstances, and it is written in the guidelines, as well as in the RLE.
    1. Go calmly on your “hands” to the nearest airdrome (if the weather doesn’t match your level of training and the current m / m with a “manual” approach).
    .2. Get into a zone or circle and produce fuel for landing with normal Gpos.
    3. Observe the restrictions on the roll - not more than 15 grams., V East. no more than 520 km / h.
    And all soldier
    .
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ April 23 2020 14: 41 New
      +1
      After lightning strikes an aircraft, such actions as how to easily produce fuel? In fact, the instructions for an immediate landing after such an emergency were voiced in the media, and no one refuted it. You are the first.
      1. ancient
        ancient April 23 2020 15: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Aviator_
        After lightning strikes an aircraft, such actions as how to easily produce fuel?

        Absolutely, if these hits did not critically affect the helm control system and the aircraft power system.
        Quote: Aviator_
        In fact, the instructions for an immediate landing after such an emergency were voiced in the media,

        For the first time I hear about this ... and in general, our domestic media and RLE wassat it's ... like Earth and Jupiter.
        There is such an organization, IAC, I hope .. "heard" (since you have the callsign "Aviator"?).
        So, according to the results of the investigation, the IAC voices that ... "After the lightning hit the aircraft, according to experts, the autopilot turned off.
        Despite this, the aircraft commander (FAC) assessed the situation as a regular one.
        At 15:12:32, the PIC explained to the senior flight attendant that the plane was returning, while paying attention: "Not emergency, nothing, just come back",.
        Further, the dispatcher instructed the pilot to reduce the height to 900 m and turn around.
        The FAC did not give distress alerts. request
        Quote: Aviator_
        no one has refuted it. You are the first.

        You are deeply mistaken ... all who, at least a little connected with aviation, expressed the opinion that here all the blame lies only with the FAC, and not with any "external factors" that were recognized as not critical for the normal completion of the flight and production planting. soldier
        Remember Professor Preobrazhensky? ......... "that's not what you read" wassat
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 23 2020 18: 08 New
          +2
          Absolutely, if these hits did not critically affect the helm control system and the aircraft power system.

          As far as I remember this event, almost a year ago, the dispatcher was deploying the Superbudget again to the lane, since the FAC had most of the electronics cut down, it’s good that the radio remained. The picture was given as he entered the strip. So, the FAC could not assess the degree of damage in a couple of minutes.
        2. Liam
          Liam April 23 2020 18: 24 New
          -3
          Quote: ancient
          here all the fault lies only with the FAC,

          RLE Superjet provides that in the case of switching to direct mode with landing, do not delay
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell April 23 2020 20: 07 New
            +7
            Again in the studio please, preferably QRH, not livejournal
          2. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell April 23 2020 21: 40 New
            +6
            Do you seem to speak French well? I'll tell you on the documents. Firstly, if it is written on the fence that does not always correspond, this is about your comment below. Secondly: land on the nearest suitable airport doesn’t mean any hurry at all. Google to help you
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell April 23 2020 17: 23 New
        +8
        Quote: Aviator_
        was voiced in the media, and no one refuted it. You are the first.

        Actually, he had no reason to rush, from the word at all. He had the opportunity to use time and fuel to prepare for landing. Instead, he was in a hurry, which led to the deaths. In the end take it on hand and calmly try how it is controlled with a non-standard configuration ...
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 25 2020 15: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: Aviator_
    Aeroflot saves on drug training.

    that is, if due to the fault of the driving school, the driver will have bad driving skills, having received the right, should he be exonerated if he commits a fatal accident ?? !!! what
  • New
    New Year day April 23 2020 16: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    The nonsense on SSJ was pic.

    don’t specify the regalia of this nonsense and how did he get into the commander’s chair?
  • ancient
    ancient April 23 2020 12: 48 New
    +5
    Quote: prior
    Remember the landing at Sheremetyevo?

    And what is there to remember? How .. "computer pilots" destroyed the plane and killed people?
    So one simulator, without practice ... never brings to good, and even more so with regular landing in the "machine" ... without manual control it ... no words ... soldier
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell April 23 2020 17: 32 New
      +8
      Quote: ancient
      .. "computer pilots" destroyed the plane and killed people?
      So one simulator, without practice ... never brings to good, and even more so with regular landing in the "machine" ... without manual control

      You really simplify everything. I am sure that they do not make all the landings in the machine, probably somewhere around 3-5% according to the conditions.
      I would not blame the modern generation for everything - they were so taught unfortunately. And to our misfortune, many of them have no desire to grow and gain confidence. Who forbids melee? Yes, no one, just no desire, afraid of catching up; Feel free to ask ... yes many reasons. If the businessmen do not understand, then the balance between flying and doing headstock will slide down to the headstock
      1. ancient
        ancient April 23 2020 18: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        I am sure that they do not make all the landings in the machine, probably somewhere around 3-5% according to the conditions.

        I will not argue with you, you are in this pro! soldier
        I read the thoughts of “citizens” in the AEX edition, as they said that the company’s management almost forced to order only sits in the “machine” recourse
        Well, about the current generation ..... I graduated from school, sat down on my right cup, 4500 were "brought in" (I doubt that the PIC allows a right take-off, let alone landing ... about flying on hands with passengers on the train ... I don’t speak at all) ... so ... I don’t even know what to say.?
        One hope for a "warrior" who quit and go to "civilization"? But there are not very many of these ... but the needs are ... great. recourse
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell April 23 2020 18: 18 New
          +8
          Well, how can they make them sit in the machine if there are no conditions: the airfield is not ready, hydraulic fracturing is not a rumor ... it doesn’t. Another thing is that the autopilot can be turned off at a minimum, and it is possible at 10000ft. On the echelon, they really do not allow flying on their hands, if everything is fine, but this is more due to the accuracy of navigation, and it makes no sense.
          A balance must be sought between safety and the interests of the capitalists. Large European low costers are a good example: don’t buy low-cost pilots - they ruthlessly tear pilots and train them to a very good level very quickly, the weak ones simply can’t stand it.
          Hope is not for warriors, although a positive factor, hope for the system: from the first entry in the book to the cockpit, while the autopilot learns to disconnect without further excitement and subsequent control ...
      2. Liam
        Liam April 23 2020 18: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        I am sure that they do not do all the landings in the machine, probably somewhere around 3-5% under the conditions

        You are poorly informed. Russian airlines require you to fly and board only on automatics
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell April 23 2020 18: 30 New
          +7
          To the studio please.
          And before you answer - look at the requirements
          1. Liam
            Liam April 23 2020 18: 37 New
            +1
            For God's sake, an open secret.
            https://denokan.livejournal.com/157795.html
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell April 23 2020 18: 53 New
              +5
              Can Part A be an example? I think the comrades explained everything in the end
            2. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell April 23 2020 19: 33 New
              +6
              So what about part A? It is desirable that the company name is visible
              1. Liam
                Liam April 23 2020 21: 46 New
                -2
                Your funny stories are not supported at all by any links to at least some documents .. and nothing)
                At the disposal of the Fontanka were the documents used to train Denis, Maxim, and other pilots of the Aeroflot airline Sukhoi Superjet 100 flight squad. “Methodological materials for training and pilot testing on the RRJ-95 complex flight simulator (also known as the Sukhoi Superjet 100. - Approx. Fontanka)” were signed by Igor Petrovich Chalik, Deputy General Director and Flight Director of PJSC Aeroflot - Russian Airlines. They cover the pilot training period from July 2016 to June 2019.

                They list all types of situations that are worked out for many hours on a complex simulator. It completely simulates the cockpit of this type of aircraft with all systems and control features in different modes and with various failures. None of the documents on simulator training mentions the development of control of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft in Direct mode, when pilots are left without the help of all automatic systems. The authenticity of the documents and the lack of simulator training for management in Direct mode Fontanka were confirmed by the pilots of the Aeroflot airline Sukhoi Superjet 100 flight squad.

                “The situation is such that the airline recommends using autopilot to the maximum extent possible,” the commander of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft of Aeroflot told Fontanka, asking him not to indicate his name and surname. - Moreover, piloting in Direct mode, the most difficult mode without an automatic protection and assistance system, is not included in the training program on the simulator at all and is not even taught at the stage of retraining to this type. Management features are mentioned in the documents, but without practicing this knowledge about anything
                .
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell April 23 2020 21: 58 New
                  +4
                  Read above: it says ... part A? Part d?
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell April 24 2020 14: 18 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    ... part A? Part d?

                    Quote: Liam
                    funny stories are generally not supported by any links to at least some documents.

                    If for you part A / D and other documents of any airline funny stories, fountain bring as a source, then do mercy - keep reading Murzilka and do not be distracted by VO.
                    Using a fountain I advise you to engage in a personal discussion with RossAviation, they will be interested
                  2. Liam
                    Liam April 24 2020 15: 43 New
                    -2
                    Citizen storyteller, you confuse your funny stories and 99% of the flooded people fill your posts on any topic with part A / D airlines)
                    PySy.A Fontanka gives scans of these documents. So go read at least something on the topic, starting with the MAK pre-orders. This will be more useful than Murzilka about Predictive Windshear Warning click)
                  3. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell April 24 2020 15: 59 New
                    +5
                    Trust the originals, but if you are ready to believe the fountain, then
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    I advise you to engage in full-time polemics with RossAviation, they will be interested

                    Quote: Liam
                    Fontanka gives scans of these documents

                    I can’t make out: where are the company names? And again I repeat: get acquainted with the documents, at least with the structure of the documentation, something will become more clear.
                  4. Vladimir Rostovsky
                    Vladimir Rostovsky April 24 2020 19: 17 New
                    0

                    Here is a great video on this disaster, the comments there are also interesting

                  5. Vladimir Rostovsky
                    Vladimir Rostovsky April 24 2020 19: 37 New
                    +1
                    pilots are torn ruthlessly and dragged to a very good level very quickly, the weak can’t stand it

                    Clipping from comments below the video:
                    “As an A320 pilot-instructor, I will say that the degradation of manual piloting skills is a real and serious problem in modern civil aviation. In my practice, I had a failure that led to the transfer of the aircraft to Direct Law.

                    Piloting in real conditions in this mode, in the absence of practical skills (not acquired, on the simulator) requires the pilot to maximize concentration of attention, in which "tunnel vision" is formed, which cycles the pilot in piloting and lacks attention to other factors. At this moment, the behavior and skills of the second pilot are more important than ever, who should prompt, command, or even independently initiate withdrawal to the second circle (by setting the throttle to take-off mode), which should have been done during the first bounce. Since no one ever practiced "annoying" in this mode, and the plane’s reaction to the sidestick movements is not the same as pilots used to over the years of practice in normal flights.

                    Why did the person who passed the “documents” training to cope with a possible situation fail? Because he is bad? Wrong? Or because the complex of flaws in the training programs for flight personnel, in the organization of flight operations and in many other places made this flight accident possible? "
                  6. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell April 24 2020 20: 55 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Vladimir Rostovsky
                    the person who has passed "according to the documents" training in order to cope with a possible situation did not cope? ... Wrong? Or because the complex of flaws in the training programs for flight personnel, in the organization of flight operations and in many other places made this flight accident possible? "
                    I think you yourself answered your question - all together. Retraining cannot cover everything, it is necessary to go through a three-year preparation cycle at least, and then again in a circle, and again ... And you also need to not be lazy on the line and sometimes load your own brains and hands with work .., otherwise autuland will really become a requirement
                  7. Vladimir Rostovsky
                    Vladimir Rostovsky April 25 2020 07: 10 New
                    +1
                    I didn’t ask any questions. This is a clipping from one large commentary by the pilot, I just divided the various parts of it in blank lines - this is understandable by quotation marks that close only at the end. I brought him and the video, because the more information from really understanding people on any issue (not a la Dushenov, etc.), the better for understanding the situation.

                    From the video and comments below it, I made the following conclusion for myself: the plane worked properly, the pilot did not have the necessary experience due to the fact that the companies did not properly prepare and the pilots were unprepared for such emergency situations, as this catastrophe showed - and Yes, the problem is complex and multifactorial.
                  8. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell April 25 2020 12: 46 New
                    +5
                    In my opinion, you all already understood: the problem is systemic. As mentioned above: the sentence to the FAC will be a sentence to the entire system.
          2. Svarog51
            Svarog51 April 24 2020 20: 01 New
            +3
            I see already "grappling", and in one region. Can reduce the glow?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 23 2020 13: 25 New
    +2
    Do not confuse the car and gouging at the helm.
  • Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener April 23 2020 10: 39 New
    +6
    Before the events of '14 there were such plans. But at the moment, the An-148 seems to have come to an end.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek April 25 2020 16: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Servisinzhener
      But at the moment, the An-148 seems to have come to an end.

      and thank God!!
  • knn54
    knn54 April 23 2020 10: 44 New
    +9
    -Superjet army rejected due to low engines.
    -An-148 Voronezh is no longer releasing.
    The Tu-204 remains. But it is replacing the Tu-154.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 23 2020 13: 45 New
      -5
      Quote: knn54
      The Tu-204 remains. But it is replacing the Tu-154.

      Turboprop IL-114 will be. It is close to the dimension of Tu134.
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 23 2020 10: 22 New
    +2
    Yes, let them fly, it’s a pity or something, all the more money is needed for new ones, but these old people and peppy ones are used mainly for training and small transportation.
    1. den3080
      den3080 April 23 2020 10: 29 New
      +2
      I once flew on the AN-24, in Cuba. It was back in Khrushchev’s time, probably.
      peeling paint (inside and out), you cannot lean on the back of the seat - you fall back, everything creaks ...
      It was unpleasant, at least. But there was no choice.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 23 2020 10: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: den3080
        I once flew on the AN-24, in Cuba.
        Well, the Cubans are masters of everything to make a minibus. No offense, the Cubans.)))
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 23 2020 11: 06 New
          +2
          He flew there on a small Embraer. A plane is like a plane, peeling a little, but cozy.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 11: 56 New
          +6
          You have not seen what flies on the MVL in Argentina. As you recall, you will tremble.
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell April 23 2020 11: 21 New
        +8
        Quote: den3080
        I once flew on the AN-24 ... peeling paint (inside and out), you can’t lean on the back of the seat - you fall back, everything creaks ...
        It was unpleasant, at least. But there was no choice.
        In your description, change Cuba to Ukraine, the year 2008 and the Boryspil-Odessa flight: I remembered with such warmth the An-26 military .... I got back differently
        1. ancient
          ancient April 23 2020 12: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          I remembered with such warmth the An-26 military ..

          belay .... or did they carry a ZS or ear plugs with them? And what pleasure on iron shops to beat off an ass?
          And the “roar" in it as in the Be-12.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell April 23 2020 16: 35 New
            +7
            Compared to the civilian Ukrainian An-24, the military -26 I remembered with warmth. Moreover, the level of comfort is about the same
            1. ancient
              ancient April 23 2020 17: 36 New
              +3
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              I -26 recalled with warmth

              Well, I don’t know ... it means to an amateur wink
              But I still have memories from the flight Mary-Kabul-Shindant to An-26 .... like the guys who fly 17 hours "with long screws" ...... the same rumble in my ears. wassat
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell April 23 2020 17: 39 New
                +6
                Quote: ancient
                Well I do not know...:

                Yes, I, too, was not at all enthusiastic, but who asked us then. But in 2008, the An-24 on the line - this is nonsense, well, it reminded me .. that of comfort, that of decay ...
                1. NN52
                  NN52 April 23 2020 20: 04 New
                  +5
                  Pete Mitchell (Pete Mitchell)
                  Normally, I flew in January 2016 on military An 26 .. Comfort is “military”, I did not complain about “iron” shops, everything is fine .. Belbek-Marinovka-Savasleyka ..
                  The brother also did not complain, and was "pleased."
    2. orionvitt
      orionvitt April 23 2020 11: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: sanik2020
      Yes, let them fly, what a pity

      Indeed, a great plane, let them fly. Time to undergo maintenance, and no problems.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 April 23 2020 10: 39 New
    +4
    It is difficult to find a more reliable aircraft (Tu-134), forgiving piloting errors.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 11: 16 New
      +5
      And what a sound from the engines! How squeals. You won’t confuse the whistle with anything
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 April 23 2020 11: 22 New
        +4
        Well, what do you want, the plane was created half a century ago.
        "Little Carcass" is a good plane.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell April 23 2020 11: 24 New
      10
      If I’m not mistaken, the elders said: little Tupolev in the entire history of operation, there is one, and then controversial, accident in the plane.
  • Alex_59
    Alex_59 April 23 2020 10: 44 New
    +4
    As if they have a choice. There are no new domestic-made aircraft in this class. And we cannot use international projects, because of sanctions. Until 2033, there was nothing left. What will they fly after?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 23 2020 10: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex_59
      What will they fly after?

      You can fly on transporters.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 April 23 2020 13: 52 New
        +7
        Quote: Piramidon
        You can fly on transporters.

        Do you know that the Tu-134 in the Ministry of Defense is used as personal aircraft in the highest command and equipped for the commander and his staff? The Tu-134 have a special index Tu-134SUS, SUS-special communications center, in the common designation - " awl in the priest, "there is a characteristic antenna on the loin. And there not only equipment, but also certain amenities for work are available. Plus the dimensions, range and other TTX Tu-134 are ideal for this purpose. Riding for the sake of the commander of the IL-76 district is too much. A transport class below we do not have. An-12, if something has not been produced since the 70s and has an airtight cargo compartment, in which it is cold, the wind is walking, there is an enchanting howl from the motors. And the 134th was still good because it would land on any airborne airfield with curved slabs, on which all SSJ wheels would fly off at the moment.
        1. ancient
          ancient April 23 2020 14: 22 New
          -1
          Quote: Alex_59
          An-12 if that is not produced since the 70s and has an airtight cargo compartment

          Well on the An-12 there is a wonderful GERMOOTSEK (which is part of the cockpit wink ).
          Up to 19 people can be "crammed" with anyone .. "nose" of the problem ".. the truth is only after take-off .. due to the alignment wink
          [media = https: //ic.pics.livejournal.com/igor113/15886453/3120390/3120390_original.jpg]
          Sometimes the "army" chiefs did not disdain. without saying "divisional"
          1. ancient
            ancient April 23 2020 15: 43 New
            0
            Quote: ancient
            Well on the An-12 there is a wonderful GERMOOTSEK

            The photo is not .. "attached" request
            [media = http: //oruzhie.info/images/an-12-samolet/1007203_original.jpg]
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon April 23 2020 20: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: ancient
            Well on the An-12 there is beautiful GERMOOTSEK

            FUCKING BEAUTIFUL! Relatively free in which 4-5 people can accommodate. There was repeated experience of 8-9 hour flights in this "dog lover" in the eight. Neither lie down nor sit down plainly, let alone "cast". Taught by bitter experience, they took with them full-time on-board urinals from our Tu-95.
            1. ancient
              ancient April 24 2020 12: 06 New
              -1
              Quote: Piramidon
              FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!

              It’s beautiful, as it had once a flight experience in the cargo compartment, at train level 3900 (the dispatcher “drove” despite KK’s report that he was carrying ... “passengers” wassat and naturally, without any K.O. wassat
              Clothing form summer jumpsuit and leather .... 3,5 hours
              So the flight to GK is .... for happiness.
              Well, and what of the fact that there’s no place to cast .... An-12 doesn’t fly far and far ... and you can tolerate wink
              1. NN52
                NN52 April 25 2020 21: 58 New
                +4
                ancient

                And what is so special at an altitude of 3900m? What did you need KCO? Burning, as usual))
                1. ancient
                  ancient April 26 2020 11: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: NN52
                  Burning, as usual))


                  God ... what are you ..... WOODEN fool full length wassat .... you sure ..2 somewhere2 .. "leyal" and not ... "brought tails"? lol

                  Federal Aviation Rules
                  “Preparation and execution of flights in the civil aviation of the Russian Federation”
                  (approved by the order of the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation of July 31, 2009 N 128)

                  Oxygen supply
                  2.13. The crew of the aircraft controls the availability of oxygen before flight and its use for breathing by crew members and passengers:

                  a) when flying at altitudes where the barometric altitude in the cockpit is from 3000 m to 4000 m for more than 30 minutes - all crew members and at least 10% of passengers for a period of time exceeding 30 minutes;

                  b) when flying at altitudes where the barometric altitude in the cockpit exceeds 4000 m - during the whole time for all crew members and passengers;
                  1. NN52
                    NN52 April 26 2020 22: 32 New
                    +4
                    ancient

                    It’s not interesting for me to communicate with you, engineer ...
                    And tell you about the passage of the pressure chamber on the VLK .. (what and how, and with what “sites”, and at what height ..)
                    Google further ... and post it here ..
                    And again, for graduates of the Kharkov Aviation Institute, do not learn to fly and do not tell stories here. I warned you.
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                      1. NN52
                        NN52 April 27 2020 18: 53 New
                        +4
                        ancient

                        When you drink in "self-isolation", please have a bite, my advice to you ...
                        Have you ever passed a pressure chamber? I laugh at you ...
                        WITH REDUCED ????????? Engineer, okts ...
                        The most interesting thing on the site ...
                        Ancient (Random), well enough is enough to carry heresy .... Your destiny is ceigrics ... well, humble yourself already ...
                        Well, it's already tired ...
                      2. NN52
                        NN52 April 27 2020 19: 00 New
                        +4
                        ancient
                        And yet, so, on trifles ... not K.O. (and KCO), how are you, who graduated from KhAI, and you don’t know ...
                        This is the little things ... comments ..
                    3. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 27 2020 19: 08 New
                      -2
                      Quote: ancient
                      like that cock sitting on a perch, like he is in Siberia .. "something" froze "

                      Quote: ancient
                      Do not disgrace ... "bubble"

                      My friend, doesn’t it seem to you that you are openly rude?
                    4. ancient
                      ancient April 27 2020 19: 26 New
                      0
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      but do not you think that you are openly rude?


                      Yes, I’m his only ... "loving" wassat old-fashioned and condescending (I’ll tell you a secret why ... because I'm afraid ... get dirty) wassat
                    5. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 27 2020 19: 28 New
                      0
                      Quote: ancient
                      because I'm afraid ... get dirty

                      And again rude.

                      Buddy, rudeness in the discussion - the first sign of a weak position ... do not panic, good advice to you yes
                    6. ancient
                      ancient April 27 2020 19: 33 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      , rudeness in the discussion - the first sign of a weak position

                      And again I agree, but ... "gets" already ... honestly .....
                      And how to "get rid" of ... him ... I just don’t know .... in a good way ... he does not understand.
                      And how to talk with ........ (again S. Lavrov in the subject lol ) ... only in his language ... and so .... "kindness for weakness" will be accepted ...... dialectics ... "understand" wink
                    7. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 27 2020 19: 38 New
                      -3
                      Quote: ancient
                      ancient

                      Judging by the style of your presentation of your thoughts, I can safely assume that you are somewhere "under the fly."

                      You are in vain, my friend. Experience shows that the broadcasts after taking a tonic end ... sadly. More accurate yes
                    8. ancient
                      ancient April 27 2020 19: 46 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Judging by the style of your presentation of your thoughts, I can safely assume that you are somewhere "under the fly."

                      You are deeply mistaken .... since December 1999 ... I do not drink and ... even beer ... I do not smell wink
                      Remember the famous phrase from the film "Features of National Fishing" ...... "What do you understand in naval humor" wink(no offence drinks )
                  2. NN52
                    NN52 April 27 2020 19: 43 New
                    +2
                    ancient

                    and you won’t get rid of it ... you had your own problems when you decided to retrain from an engineer on the VO website as a “pilot”. Why do you need this? Honestly, answer?
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon April 23 2020 14: 30 New
    +4
    Quote: Alex_59
    Do you know that the Tu-134 in the Ministry of Defense is used as personal aircraft in the highest command and equipped for the work of the commander and his staff?

    Even several times happened to fly on this. (The commander of the KSF urged us when it was urgently necessary to transfer the horsepower.) But you can equip any aircraft with all this stuffing. Well, as for
    And the 134th was still good because it would land on any airborne airfield with curved slabs, on which all SSJ wheels would fly off at the moment.

    then the transporter is more suitable for this. Even sits on the ground. It is hoped that the IL-112 will nevertheless bring to mind. After all, the Tu-134 is not eternal, and sooner or later it will be necessary to change it. hi
  • alex aircraft
    alex aircraft April 23 2020 11: 03 New
    +7
    Effective managers ditched that 334 in favor: a miracle: they did a super jet and An 148 in Vaso. Tell us the Zaporozhye engines, there was nothing to bury the Novorossiya project and the history of the Russian state would be different !! but alas ... but in Syria there were 5 victories over igil ...
  • Zhan
    Zhan April 23 2020 11: 08 New
    +6
    Well, what can I say, so far there is nothing to replace. Work on the Tu-334 for some reason stopped, although the location of the engines is similar. In my opinion, there would be a very worthy change.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 12: 06 New
      +5
      Tu-334 was 20 years late for commercials. Nowadays, the car is outdated.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 23 2020 11: 10 New
    +3
    Because there is nothing to replace them with! All programs to create new passenger aircraft safely fail with a bang! Not even with a bang, but with a roar! Poor MC21 is not able to give birth, because money, as always, is not enough!
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 12: 08 New
      +2
      We have never had a competitive civilian aircraft. At least in the 70s and 80s. Therefore, we cannot give birth, how much money do not give. We do not know how. But we are trying.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 23 2020 12: 14 New
    +5
    Soviet civilian aircraft were not so bad compared to Western ones ... And most importantly, they were 100% ours. But the West does not need competitors in the field of industry ... therefore, it was ordered to stop their production and operation. German Gref (when he was Minister of Economics) made a visor and fulfilled the instructions of his masters.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 12: 30 New
      +1
      Soviet aircraft were operated exactly up to the moment when it was somehow cost-effective. High fuel consumption and the associated low payload and low range, in comparison with Western counterparts, did not leave the slightest chance to domestic technology. Plus the primitiveness of avionics and, as a consequence, 4-member crews. And we were not able to do other planes.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ April 23 2020 13: 12 New
        +5
        High fuel consumption and the associated low payload and low range compared to Western counterparts

        But the Poles for some reason with all their Russophobia flew on the Tu-154M. If not for the birch, letapi would still be. And birch trees can even prevent the most modern liners from flying.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 13: 17 New
          +1
          So Polish Tupol is a military board, not commercial. For the military, fuel consumption is not the main indicator.
  • IL-2
    IL-2 April 23 2020 14: 25 New
    +2
    The military Tu-134 and Tu-154 raid is simply ridiculous in comparison with the civilian sides. Almost fresh cars, not all of course. + special equipment on board which is sooo expensive + the ability to board a complex airfield + safety margin.
    P.S. And the years that - military bombers of the Second World War, some in the ranks fly at exhibitions. It all depends on the care and skill of the pilots.
  • iouris
    iouris April 23 2020 16: 05 New
    0
    As a VIP taxi or for training navigators? I think there are problems: the crew size (two pilots), outdated navigation equipment: there are already no navigators on airplanes. By the way, if memory serves, they were built in Kharkov, which is not good.
    1. ancient
      ancient April 23 2020 17: 53 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      As a VIP taxi or for training navigators?

      And the Tu-134 UBL for the preparation of the Tambovites on the Tu-22M3? wink
  • Bshkaus
    Bshkaus April 23 2020 18: 12 New
    +1
    The main thing is that the operation would not be prolonged by reducing the reliability and wear of the main components of the aircraft. Nobody has yet canceled the physical age and wear of metal.
    For the rest, of course, it would not be bad to replace it with more modern cars, here it’s not even a matter of “show-offs”, but banal fuel consumption, noise level, quality of navigation systems and avionics in general. Indeed, in which case (God forbid), on board the same aircraft, it is far from being ordinary rank-and-file personnel, but decades of training senior officers and generals.
    But at the same time, the US Air Force also still operates the S-135, developed in the distant 50s, and its civilian version of the Boeing-707 can only be found in museums, and the remaining S-135 is mainly reconnaissance aircraft with very expensive equipment and it does not bother anyone.
    1. iouris
      iouris April 23 2020 21: 42 New
      0
      It only has the appearance of a C-135, "developed in the distant 50s" ...
  • exo
    exo April 23 2020 22: 28 New
    +1
    A good airplane. Very reliable. One power steering on the rudder. There is practically nothing to break.
    Eight years, I worked hard for them. Then, eight years, episodically. As a passenger, it has long been outdated. In the Air Force, still quite serve. But noisy! The whistle, in general!
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 24 2020 10: 27 New
    +1
    The SSJ is both more comfortable and resourceful than the Tu134 and Pilots can be called up for civilians. The speed is only lower and I don’t know how to land on airfields that are not civilian ....? In any case, avionics must either be changed or supplemented. And the range of the SSJ is up to 5-6000km in some versions.