Thousands of LDN miners will be on the street?


Down with external management



In LPR announced the reorganization of the coal industry. Soon a similar program will be implemented in Donetsk. The essence of what is happening is simple: Donetsk and Lugansk take the enterprises out of the external management carried out by Vneshtorgservice CJSC, which is controlled by the fugitive Ukrainian oligarch Sergey Kurchenko, and turn them into a state-owned unitary enterprise. From now on, the republics themselves will find markets for the extracted fuel and export, distribute the profits and pay the miners a salary. The only problem is that part of the mines due to their low and negative profitability will be stopped and mothballed, and the miners will lose their jobs.

As far as is known, in the LPR the work of the Nikanorovo-Novaya mine in Zorinsk will be temporarily suspended, one mine will stop each in Lugansk, Rovenky, Anthracite and Yuryevka. The DNR list is not yet available.

So far, according to the official version, the work of the mines is suspended until February 1, 2021. During this time, the government should decide whether to invest in the modernization or restoration of enterprises. At the same time, it is likely that after a shutdown, production in these mines will no longer be restored.

Where do the miners go?


At a government meeting, LNR Minister of Economic Development Svetlana Podlipaeva stated the following:

“At present, we can make at least two offers in terms of employment for each employee who is released. The program that we are developing is based primarily on the experience of the Russian Federation, which has passed the difficult path of liquidating unprofitable coal mining enterprises. Therefore, we took the experience of the Russian Federation as a basis, and we are implementing this program in several directions. First of all, this is the filling of vacant posts. We have vacant positions at state enterprises, in housing and communal services, at road infrastructure enterprises, transport enterprises, and budgetary institutions. Salaries at such enterprises will be no less than the current. ”

The minister also promised the “released" miners the right to early retirement - three years before the deadline established by law.

“At the same time, such employees will be credited with the length of service at the mining enterprise, for which a single contribution to compulsory state social insurance has not been paid,”

- said Podlipaeva.

The official also promised to stimulate the increase in the number of jobs in the republic especially for miners. True, she did not explain how this goal would be achieved.

It would be promised ...


It is not clear what exactly the Minister of Economic Development of the LPR Svetlana Podlipaeva is talking about. It is clear that in the state and budgetary spheres in the LPR, salaries practically correspond to the salaries of miners, but it is not clear who, except for technical workers (who receive the minimum wage), they will be able to work in education, medicine, culture or the city administration. The idea, to put it mildly, looks utopian, as well as the promise to stimulate the creation of new jobs in the private sector specifically for miners. Maybe then immediately employ the dismissed miners in the Ministry of Labor or in local newspapers and the State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company?

The idea of ​​employing miners in the housing sector or as road workers seems a little less dubious. Not only do they not have the appropriate qualifications (or is it no longer needed?), But the salaries in this industry are significantly lower than that of miners - at the level of 6-10 thousand rubles. That is, the miners, who are already poor, will have to tighten their belts even more or go to work in Russian mines, where they pay about 40-50 thousand rubles a month.

Space for maneuver


It is clear that there is no room for maneuver in Lugansk and Donetsk. For several years they sought the prerogative of independent export management, and today, when the goal is achieved, a return back is undesirable and, most likely, impossible. It is also quite obvious that after the “effective managers” from Vneshtorgservice, some of the mines are brought to a state where they can no longer make a profit. Obviously, these mines need to be stopped - either for modernization, or forever, and miners should be tried to find employment somewhere in another sector.

The only question is why, instead of a rational, systematic approach to the problem, the head of the LNR Ministry of Labor is demonstrating some New Vasyuki, thereby suggesting that the government is not ready to offer any real alternative to the miners and that soon thousands of breadwinners will be on the streets? Well, neither the budget sphere, nor the civil service will accept them, whatever one may say. Unless they go to helpers, not otherwise. Frankly, today Podlipaeva’s projects seem unviable.

It is likely that if the government of the republics does not immediately come up with normal employment, the miners will be forced to look for themselves either in the ranks of the people's militia, which is constantly experiencing a shortage of personnel, or go to work in Russia (in Ukraine, the coal industry has successfully passed away). As a result, LDNR can acquire additional revenues in the form of taxes and profits from the sale of coal, while losing a part of the working population.
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  1. Uncle lee April 25 2020 15: 14 New
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    Which of the LDNR can comment on this statement?
    1. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 15: 17 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Which of the LDNR can comment on this statement?

      So the author is a machine gunner, in my opinion.
      1. Insurgent April 25 2020 16: 01 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Which of the LDNR can comment on this statement?


        What actually comment? The situation in the industry, or the decision to "reorganize"?

        The first to comment, on the one hand, is easier - he worked before the war, and on the other, there is not enough accurate information, since "nth time" was occupied by something completely different, in the fresh air.

        It is clear that the situation in the industry is not ice, it was on the verge even before the war (thanks to Kiev for chronic underfunding), and during the database and the almost catastrophic consequences for a number of mines that followed, it only worsened + blockade consequences, outflow of personnel ( someone left, someone is at war, pensioners quit, someone is no longer with us ..), lack of new equipment, lack of spare parts, hydraulic and lubricants, delays and non-payment of salaries - in general, one on one .. .

        Those who imagine how much investment requires the completion of preparatory workings (sinking) and how much “cutting” and “charging” mechanized mining lava can only sympathize with the DPR and LPR miners.
        The republics have no money for this ... The war, be it wrong, with the beginning but without the end ...

        And what the "reorganizers" thought up ... Well, they will do something ... But I don’t think that this will somehow help the industry, people, republics.
        1. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 16: 04 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          Those who represent how much investment requires the completion of preparatory workings (sinking)

          My grandfather worked as a fastener. Received many times more. Grandma was sitting at home.
          1. Insurgent April 25 2020 16: 12 New
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            My grandfather worked as a fastener. Received many times more. Grandma was sitting at home.

            Fastener("fastened") laughing And my grandmother, on my paternal side (Kingdom of heaven!), Worked until 45 years (until retirement) in a mine ...
            So, I am both a grandson and a son of miners. Hereditary lol , but it seems that the dynasty stopped me, you can’t drive your sons and a club into the mine, and the coal industry of Donbass itself, apparently - that's all, kirdyk ...
            1. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 16: 15 New
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              Quote: Insurgent
              Fastener

              The coal basin near Moscow. crying
              1. Insurgent April 25 2020 16: 22 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                The coal basin near Moscow.

                As far as I can remember from the lessons on OGD (Fundamentals of Mining), the mines of this basin are heavily flooded ...
                We have such a mine “Ilovaiskaya” (yes, Ilovaisk near it), during the laying of the trunks, it ran into very serious groundwater, carried out special measures for waterproofing the trunks, generally expensive, long, and not always successfully and effectively.
                Generations are still heavily flooded, water will find a way ...

                And in Tula, as far as I remember, it seems that they made a narrow-cut coal mining combine 1K-101 ...
                1. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 16: 53 New
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                  Quote: Insurgent
                  and in Tula, as far as I remember, it seems that they made a narrow-cut coal mining combine 1K-101 ...

                  Do not remember that. Grandfather after the headquarters was sent to the Tula region.
              2. atalef April 25 2020 19: 34 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Coal basin near Moscow

                his father was born in Nelidovo and before the Army also worked at the mine.
                I remember the heaps when they came to visit my grandmother. crying
                1. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 19: 40 New
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                  Quote: atalef
                  I remember the heaps

                  Grandfather earned money than the grandmother received more.
                  1. atalef April 25 2020 19: 43 New
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                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: atalef
                    I remember the heaps

                    Grandfather earned money than the grandmother received more.

                    in the late 70s, the mines were dying.
                    Coal - brown, large water cut.
                    In my opinion at the end of the 80s everyone closed up.
                    1. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 19: 45 New
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                      Quote: atalef
                      In my opinion at the end of the 80s everyone closed up.

                      Exactly. But the miners were given money.
                      1. atalef April 25 2020 19: 47 New
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: atalef
                        In my opinion at the end of the 80s everyone closed up.

                        Exactly. But the miners were given money.

                        maybe I don’t know.
                        I have not been in Nelidovo since 1981.
                        40 years. crying
                      2. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 19: 49 New
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                        Quote: atalef
                        Nelidovo since 1981
                        40 years.

                        Tula regional basin. All 90th money issued.
                  2. NKT
                    NKT April 25 2020 23: 13 New
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                    And the quality of coal is low, the average ash content is about 30%. The last mine was closed / flooded somewhere in 2010. Somewhere else in the Ryazan region (infa for 2017) open development is underway.
              3. Mite April 26 2020 10: 24 New
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                Quote: atalef
                his father was born in Nelidovo and before the Army also worked at the mine.

                Jew-miner (short joke) Looks like they still occur .. (no offense) Alexander hi
        2. Alex Nevs April 25 2020 16: 41 New
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          Fastener. I apologize hi for brazen intrusion.
      2. 30143 April 26 2020 03: 00 New
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        Compared to Kuzbass, Donetsk coal is not profitable.
        The mines were kept by inertia while they provided thermal power plants of Ukraine. And in the Russian Federation has its own industry. Yes, and warm winters require less raw materials. I remembered how they frightened Rostov at the beginning of winter with winter frosts. They did not even bother to build a model with a displacement of the Earth’s pole. And what happened? Overstocking gas, oil and coal ...
  2. Alex Nevs April 25 2020 16: 32 New
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    What do you listen to "some" "experts". After the fighting, Donbass coal is almost immediately ALL! "out". About 90% of working mines "went out" to the street. The bulk of who-where. A lot in the Russian Federation (youth). Pensioners, almost 50% of them in the place and in the garden. The mines worked when there was room to sell! After the fighting to protect their homes from banderlog-Waltzmanoids, the Donbass Coal ceased to exist. A little kopanka move - but there .... only from without source at all. For Safety Engineering it’s generally dark. In the DPR, it’s slightly better than in the LPR.
    1. Grandfather April 25 2020 16: 44 New
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      I honestly don’t understand at all what has been happening there for three years now, earlier on the rise of enthusiasm, it seemed that there would be a new Little Russia, a new way of life (like, a turn to socialism, otherwise what to fight for? for the oligarchs? to leave alone to others?) but no ... did not guess ... everything merged. turned into something viscous ...
      miners will be forced to look for themselves either in the ranks of the people's militia, which is constantly experiencing a shortage of personnel,
      will we feed?
      1. Insurgent April 25 2020 16: 56 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        but no ... did not guess ... everything merged. turned into something viscous ...

        Blame the Minsk Agreements on this - initiators which neither the DNI nor the LC, WERE NOT.
        1. Tiksi-3 April 26 2020 10: 31 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          Blame it on the “Minsk Agreements” —the initiators of which neither the DNR nor the LC were.

          That is, Russia is guilty that you yourself brought your outskirts to the Maidan and brought the Nazis into power with Bandera's past? - Well, you "Cossack" and bent .... would spit on Minsk and go to Romania, that rose then? ....
      2. Svarog April 25 2020 18: 49 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        type, a turn to socialism, otherwise what to fight for? for the oligarchs? to leave from one to the other?) but no ... did not guess ... everything merged. turned into something viscous ...

        They didn’t allow to turn to socialism, just as they didn’t let the Lyuli hang on the Ukrainian fascists. All responsibility on the half-dimensional politics of the Kremlin ..
        1. your1970 April 29 2020 15: 36 New
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          as they did not let the Lyuli hang on to the Ukrainian fascists.
          - I’m embarrassed to ask - were there forces and means? And the support of the population there - was? someone was waiting for them with flowers on the road to Kiev ???
          There was nothing to hang, more precisely .. and no one ...
      3. 30143 April 26 2020 03: 30 New
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        Grandfather, What socialism?
        They will rob, share. Time has confirmed this. These new social elevators have opened ...
      4. Aviator_ April 26 2020 10: 53 New
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        for the oligarchs? get away from one to the other?

        And so it happened. And those who wanted a “turn to socialism”, for some reason, they died (Mozgovoy, Dremov ...)
    2. Insurgent April 25 2020 16: 49 New
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      Quote: Alex Nevs
      A little kopanka move - but there .... only from without source at all.

      Holes, it’s really negative .

      Quote: Alex Nevs
      Safety technicians are generally gloomy.


      In large mines, both relatively large, and relatively stable working somehow, with TB still somehow, but on the "mousetraps" and "holes", it did not spawn ...
      1. Alex Nevs April 25 2020 17: 27 New
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        We had a kind of digging (somewhere 2015-2016), the upper (surface) layers climbed (took coal) into the security pillars. And next to type springs or bets. Everything floated - the group ... drowned ... They pumped water (for a long time) did not pump out. So everything calmed down. They didn’t get it. Something was tried by the investigation .... Well, then - the darkness. What about your parents? I can’t even imagine.
    3. boss April 26 2020 00: 09 New
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      That's it, if better, a little.
      The production of lean or energetic coal in the Donbass has long been subsidized.
      Think for yourself, the cost of coal mining with the open-pit mining method is several times, and sometimes an order of magnitude lower than with mining.
      Yes, it is often less calorie, but for the generation of energy this is not important.
      Many mines in the Donetsk basin were closed during the Union. Fat boards are worked out, the development of new ones is recognized as unpromising.
      We climbed small on the abandoned mine "Gansovka 1", the old people called it a mine. Even the heap no longer exists - the subway was built (cache & carry).
      Kopanks, by the way, are cost-effective, especially in the areas of torez and anthracite, where strata almost reach the surface.
      As a result: the republic does not need a lot of energy coal, exports are almost blocked, or through a bunch of gaskets.
      In Russia, to compete with the Kuzbass, where an open mining method is unrealistic.
      Metallurgical or coking coals remain. Metallurgy in the republic is dying, coal due to sanctions is toxic, and its purchase is fraught.
      And metal prices since 2008, when scrap was worth about $ 500 a ton, (yes, I'm not mistaken) fell at times. And then - the domino effect: goki, goffs, coke chemistry, heavy engineering.
      In Russia, in the Rostov region, there are no mines left, but why speak for the republics (
      Scolding the military-technical cooperation, Kurochkin or Ananchenko, and the current leadership is stupid. It is IMPOSSIBLE to successfully develop a competitive export-oriented economy in a crisis, in conditions of war, total blockade and non-recognition!
  3. g1v2 April 25 2020 19: 27 New
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    Not from LDNR, but I can comment. wink
    Since all coal is considered illegal, since its owners are sitting on the other side of the front, it can only be sold abroad through intermediaries. Otherwise, the same Akhmetov may arrest him in a Russian court. Basically, all the coal went through Kurchenko’s structures. He transported him across the border. mixed with Russian coal, overloaded. Then he filled out new documents and how the Russian delivered this coal to eastern Europe and Turkey. The investigation in one European newspaper was with the full path of coal. Naturally, he sold it cheaper, because everyone understood that coal was officially illegal. Th its price was initially lower. Further, the intermediary took away his interest, and the rest went to enterprises and to the budget. But lately, a wave has begun that the evil Kurchenko is robbing the miners. Letters wrote and so on. There was a lot of noise, a lot of attention began to be attracted to the schemes. And there was also a decline in the world production due to the crown and crisis. As a result, they apparently decided to abandon the scheme. And since without intermediaries so much illegal coal cannot be sold abroad, and inside the republics it is not necessary so much, some of the mines will have to be closed. Accordingly, the industry expects a reduction, while people layoffs. They will leave something that they can sell less or less through other channels. request
    1. revnagan April 26 2020 10: 32 New
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      Quote: g1v2
      Since all coal is considered illegal, since its owners are sitting on the other side of the front, it can only be sold abroad through intermediaries. Otherwise, the same Akhmetov may arrest him in a Russian court. Basically, all the coal went through Kurchenko’s structures. He transported him across the border. mixed with Russian coal, overloaded. Then he filled out new documents and how the Russian delivered this coal to eastern Europe and Turkey.

      Shaw !? belay It can not be laughing .When I hinted at this a couple of months ago, I got so many “minuses” outlined ... And then look, it turns out to be true ... Well, I’m ready to accept an apology. belay .
  • Digital error April 25 2020 15: 15 New
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    miners will be forced to look for themselves either in the ranks of the people's militia, which is constantly experiencing a shortage of personnel

    Just as I thought, not yet finished reading.
    I do not want to think about the shortage of volunteers, although in such a situation (no war, no peace, no recognition, not Russia and Ukraine), where do they come from ...
    1. Insurgent April 25 2020 16: 07 New
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      Quote: DigitalError
      Just as I thought, not yet finished reading.
      I do not want to think about the shortage of volunteers, although in such a situation (no war, no peace, no recognition, not Russia and Ukraine), where do they come from ...

      It’s possible to think, but in which states to shove the whole horde of dismissed?

      The Minsk format does not imply active offensive actions, and the extra thousands to sit in the trenches are simply not needed ...
      1. Alex Nevs April 25 2020 16: 43 New
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        Moscow Region is not as high-quality as anthracite. The highest degree (metamorphization) of anthracite. Everything else is cheaper, except coking (this is already a market).
        1. AU Ivanov. April 25 2020 17: 32 New
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          Moscow Region is brown coal, the lowest quality. Already not peat, not coal yet.
          1. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 19: 44 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Moscow Region is brown coal,

            Yes, in the 95th year they poked around in the mine. Caught a goat. Heck!
      2. 113262a April 25 2020 17: 39 New
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        Yeah, they will staff, and then, as in a joke about firefighters. Which ends, like a fire, even quit! When Zorinsk and Chernukhino threw just the same from the commandant’s office that they had recruited from the unemployed near Fashchevka. And whoever doesn’t want, you won’t put a stick in the trench. There is no mobilization. And will not be!
        1. Vladimir61 April 25 2020 19: 22 New
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          When Zorinsk and Chernukhino were thrown at Fashchevka just like the ones from the commandant’s, which they recruited from the unemployed. Who wanted, he served!

          Can not be so! Thousands, successful in life as a whole, in the spring of 14 went to the militia. Not from the "stick", not from the "loot" and not because they were unemployed. Those who went later under the contract, in the spring of 2015, serve. And at 14, beginning at 15, when it began near Debaltseve, no one forced anyone and did not recruit. Here is a young guy, Alexander Senkan, 28 years old (Sevastopol), died at 14, near Gaev. Does he look like an unemployed.

          As for the mines, so many have gone to the horizons of more than a kilometer. This is not a gold mine and the coal becomes gold.
          1. 113262a April 25 2020 22: 56 New
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            Just in the winter of 14-15 he worked at the Mozgovoy farm. For iron. We were pulled from Fashchevka to Zorinsk right up to Stakhzanov. So, when it began to bake, part of the ATC and the commandant's office abandoned the reinforcement. Here I am about them!
          2. Mite April 26 2020 10: 32 New
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            Quote: Vladimir61
            Can not be so! Thousands, successful in life as a whole, in the spring of 14 went to the militia. Not from the "stick", not from the "loot" and not because they were unemployed.

            I agree, they were following the call of the heart, and because it was a shame for the Power .. How many of their unnamed died for New Russia!
            Eternal memory to the guys!

            And on the topic, the coal in the price fell and there's nothing to be done
    2. Alex Nevs April 25 2020 17: 31 New
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      DNI and LC. The truth is already a lot of (very) citizens of the Russian Federation. Simplified passports with might and main. Now signed by the President of the Russian Federation on the removal of the state duty (3500 rubles) for the passport of the Russian Federation. And this is almost a pension (4200) .https: //sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/942463-7#bh_histras
      1. Insurgent April 25 2020 18: 02 New
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        Quote: Alex Nevs
        https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/942463-7#bh_histras

        Thank you for giving the link and sharing information, thanks to the State Duma deputies, initiators of the law, thanks to Russia.
        He looked, the initiative is under consideration by Putin, I count, and I hope that he will sign it. This will be of great help to us ...
        1. Alex Nevs April 25 2020 19: 56 New
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          Signed by Putin! It remains only to print in the media.!
          1. 113262a April 25 2020 22: 59 New
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            On the website of the State Duma of the Russian Federation so far about this not! Although, I think, they will sign it!
  • knn54 April 25 2020 15: 18 New
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    It’s interesting, but in Metrostroy (or whatever it is) there are no vacancies for drifts?
  • rocket757 April 25 2020 15: 23 New
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    Miners everywhere have hard times.
    As fuel, coal ceases to be relevant and this can no longer be stopped.
    Coal is in demand as a raw material in the chemical industry, metallurgy, but this is already different volumes and this should be taken into account for the future.
    1. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 15: 34 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Coal is in demand as a raw material in the chemical industry, metallurgy, but this is already different volumes and this should be taken into account for the future.

      And where? Coke fired in the forge, Duc, in my opinion, and nowhere to be found.
      1. ycuce234-san April 25 2020 15: 53 New
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        Pharmaceutical factories, for example, make some medicines from coal, for example: phthalazole, phenacetin, sulfacetamide, salicylic acid, biseptol, activated carbon.
        1. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 15: 55 New
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          Quote: ycuce234-san
          phthalazole, phenacetin, sulfacetamide, salicylic acid, biseptol, activated carbon.

          I didn’t know, honestly.
        2. rocket757 April 25 2020 16: 18 New
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          Coal is used in petroleum chemistry and metallurgy (coking coals), but its consumption is 2,5 times less than energy coals (just burning, to produce steam for turbogenerators and heating).
          This is a very large reduction in production. And coal will use special grades.
          1. Insurgent April 25 2020 16: 30 New
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            Quote: rocket757
            This is a very large reduction in production. And coal will use special grades.

            yes Absolutely right! But, the trick is that coking coals are also not always found, for example, in Makeyevka it is, but we do not, in general ...

            We thermal coals, anthracite... and you are right, its consumption is falling ...

            And ... Coal for the chemical industry? Yes, it is needed, but not millions of tons ...
          2. AU Ivanov. April 25 2020 17: 34 New
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            Energy is shifting to gas.
        3. Alex Nevs April 25 2020 17: 35 New
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          And not only. In general, a lot of things. Almost EVERYTHING! synthetics all the time.
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          No, activated carbon, for sure ... from the bones!
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            No, activated carbon, for sure ... from the bones!

            In fact, "activated carbon" was originally made from charcoal, processed in a special way, as a result of which it receives increased porosity and, as a result, a large absorbing capacity.

            This property was used to create the Zeliinsky gas mask - Kummant - the first (and best then) gas mask in the world with the ability to absorb a wide range of chemical warfare agents (BOV). It was developed in 1915 by the Russian chemical scientist Nikolai Dmitrievich Zelinsky and the technologist of the Triangle factory E. Cummant.

            1. 113262a April 25 2020 22: 46 New
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              The one that is sold in pharmacies is BONE. The one in modern gas masks is made of COPRAY-palm fibers. Ours, including. Those after GP-5
        5. boss April 26 2020 00: 14 New
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          Fuel, additives, etc.
          But you understand, for this absolutely MILLIONS of tons are not needed!
      2. rocket757 April 25 2020 16: 24 New
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        Coking coal is used in large metallurgy, a lot, but of a special grade.
    2. Lara Croft April 25 2020 15: 41 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Miners everywhere have hard times.
      As fuel, coal ceases to be relevant and this can no longer be stopped.
      Coal is in demand as a raw material in the chemical industry, metallurgy, but this is already different volumes and this should be taken into account for the future.

      I agree. Moreover, they have come for a long time, for example, the closure of coal mines in South Wales, nearly became the post of M. Thatcher at one time, the war "at the end of the world" saved ...
      1. rocket757 April 25 2020 16: 27 New
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        The mining unions of the largest in the world ... were. Their time is passing, because coal mining, where much, is declining. It makes no sense to list, count everywhere.
        Energy is switching to other types of fuel, coal production is greatly reduced.
        1. Lara Croft April 25 2020 17: 09 New
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          Energy is switching to other types of fuel, coal production is greatly reduced.

          First of all, due to large dirty emissions into the atmosphere ....
          Several countries in the EU do not use coal at all to produce electricity - these are Belgium, Cyprus, Lithuania, Latvia, Malta, Luxembourg, Deev notes.
          But not all countries are ready to abandon coal. For example, Warsaw clearly does not want to do this, since the price of 1 kW / h of electricity produced in this way remains one of the lowest, Deev says.
          Poland has not yet set a deadline for closing coal-fired power plants. Now in the country 81% of electricity is generated through the use of coal.

          https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2019/11/15/12814430.shtml
          1. rocket757 April 25 2020 18: 36 New
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            In Australia, they tried to switch to green energy, closed several coal-fired power plants! The result was not ah.
            But still, there is a downward trend, because it is very expensive to clean coal boiler emissions, and there is a lot of slag.
            Everything must be done wisely, but it is usually more expensive.
    3. Alex Nevs April 25 2020 17: 33 New
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      So it seems. It’s just that after the decline of the economy, the course didn’t reach him. Yes, it is more expensive (taking into account all the coal). Gas oil turns into dollars faster. In general, it’s like oil refinery.
    4. g1v2 April 25 2020 23: 01 New
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      In fact, there is still a lot of coal generation in the world - everyone starts from it. But there is also a lot of coal in the world. In China and the United States huge reserves. True, our luck here. The Chinese, in order to reduce smog, have adopted a program for switching power plants to gas and closing part of coal mines. So the mines are closing faster than the power plants are moving. Therefore, the Chinese are now buying coal in the Russian Federation. But sooner or later, the balance will improve and China will again stop importing coal. The United States is currently developing projects for coal plants that are environmentally friendly and ground for their coals. Here, too, a powerful competitor.
      And at the same time, although all coal mining in Russia is private, there are a lot of single-industry towns and villages supported by coal. There will also be problems in the Russian Federation — there is no escape from them. request
  • Lara Croft April 25 2020 15: 47 New
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    The essence of what is happening is simple: Donetsk and Lugansk take enterprises out of external controlcarried out by Vneshtorgservice CJSC, which is under the control of a fugitive Ukrainian oligarch Sergey Kurchenko, and turn them into a state unitary enterprise.

    Someone tell me the legal mechanism of these actions without legal consequences in the future for the LPR and LPR, because, as I understand from the article, the owner of the enterprises is still a citizen of Ukraine?
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  • September XNUMXrd April 25 2020 17: 00 New
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    This is probably the right decision. Binders wanted to close the mines, leave the miners out of work. Donbass said no and became independent. But life goes on and new solutions are needed. Engaging in conversions to close mines is not the same thing as simply closing mines as binders wanted.
    And if you close the mines now, they will not be able to be closed again by aggressive NATO soldiers and the Kiev junta with binders. It turns out that politically and strategically the DPR and LPR outplayed everyone again. It is felt that the multi-course teachers tried not in vain)))
  • boris epstein April 25 2020 17: 46 New
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    In Ukraine, 13 large and 9 smaller CHP plants. They killed their coal industry. For a long time they bought coal from the DPR and LPR according to the left schemes - through Russia-Georgia - Turkey with transshipments in Novorossiysk-Zonguldak to Odessa by sea and through Russia-Belarus-Poland by rail. Yes, everything got stuck through Kurchenko, it takes time to reissue. In addition, there are its own thermal power plants.
    1. Zementbomber April 26 2020 02: 09 New
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      The total production of coal in the territory of Ukraine controlled by the lawful government - a couple of times higher than the total in "L / DPR" - all of a sudden. Coal mining at the LPR is generally almost dead. In the Lviv region - and then the situation is better with her.
  • Tycoon April 25 2020 18: 23 New
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    Independently export under the inscription mined in the LPR ??? Well, probably only in Russia .... or Abkhazia ......
    1. Insurgent April 25 2020 18: 56 New
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      Quote: Tycoon
      Independently export under the inscription mined in the LPR ??? Well, probably only in Russia .... or Abkhazia ......

      .... and stupid to ex-Ukraine, with entry into the territory of the Russian Federation, where coal formally becomes Russian, and then according to the scheme.
      This scheme has been worked out, chubaty are also aware of it, but they are silent in a rag, because coal is needed ...
      In the same way, coal can be exported to those countries where Russia has exports.
      1. Tycoon April 25 2020 21: 09 New
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        and if without circuits ??? All schemes end sooner or later ..... Just without schemes, DNI and LC coal do not need anyone, just like metal and this whole structure of LDNR too .... so so ...
  • Tests April 25 2020 19: 01 New
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    AS Ivanov. (Andrei), respected, the energy sector of the Russian Federation, since the Chubais era - this is, most often, a huge PR, sale, designed and built by ancestors abroad for a penny, BONUSES, with top managers, registration of offices in Cyprus and other offshore zones, with muddy bankruptcies in the end, which no one is investigating ... Refugees came to the Arkhangelsk region from the republics a few years ago. They hung out in Novodvinsk, looked at wallets' earnings, looked for work in Arkhangelsk, looked at the climate, spat and, almost all, after 3 -4 months left for Moscow. Nobody went to Vorkuta to the mines. Although Vorkuta CHPPs use local coals ... People are already leaving Vorkuta, housing prices are low, although, given the plans of the Russian Defense Ministry to build a warning station for a missile attack of electric power in Vorgashor, a lot will be needed ... Severodvinsk CHPP-1 coal with Kuzbass receives. Vorkuta coal has a large ash content. Can be burned with oxygen. But for this it is necessary to invest money in modernization, and the managers of TGK-2 do not need it at all ... You can add coal ash, after burning with oxygen, to add cement, but the trouble is the Savinsky cement plant, which is "a stone's throw" from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome for several years as a bankrupt. It seems like they wanted to make a launching pad under the Angara in Plesetsk, and expand the docks on SEVMASH and Zvyozdochka in Severodvinsk, but now there is no cement in the Arkhangelsk region. Ministers of economic development have violated ...
    knn54 (Nikolai), respected, St. Petersburg has been waiting for the 1974 (brown) metro line since 6. That’s where the experience of the Donbass miners came in handy! But the question with the 6th line has not been resolved, and is not resolved, houses in the South-West of St. Petersburg at 20, with a tail, floors are growing and growing. Moscow is all for our Russian “elite”. How many new meter stations are being rented out there a year? ... And the metro in St. Petersburg to the stadium on Krestovsky Island (the leg-ball game for the “elite” of the Russian Federation is almost everything) and to Shushary (empty stations with streams of water along the walls during the day) over the past 3 years, alas ...
  • Undecim April 25 2020 19: 41 New
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    In LPR announced the reorganization of the coal industry. Soon a similar program will be implemented in Donetsk.
    The author seems to be local, Donbass, but when he begins to write about the DPR / LPR, it seems that he either does not own the information at all, or is afraid to accidentally tell the truth.
    Of the 69 coal mines located on the territory of the DLNR, 90% are methane-hazardous, and many are of the third category and super-category. 60% are dangerous in coal dust, with 4 and 5 categories. Half are dangerous by sudden outbursts.
    Coal mining in such mines requires special equipment and technologies, constant monitoring. All this can be provided only with appropriate, very large financial investments. And taking into account the fact that many mines are still pre-war, the size of this funding will never be overpowered by any DNR and LC.
    Therefore, reorganization can only be understood as the redistribution of the remaining cash flows from Kurchenko’s structures to local structures and the desire to operate those mines from which you can still get at least some profit.
  • Garik KShM April 25 2020 20: 13 New
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    all this is the result of Surkov’s. Kurchenko didn’t draw himself here
  • Avior April 25 2020 23: 55 New
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    Communicated with Gorlovsky, they said that the mines in Gorlovka had long been flooded
  • Zementbomber April 26 2020 02: 02 New
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    in Ukraine, the coal industry has safely passed away

    To whistle - not toss bags.
    Only for the I half of 2019 and only in the Dnipropetrovsk region. - only coal production by economic entities under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine amounted to 10 million 824,8 thousand tons. This is approximately 1,5 times more than during the same period in Donetsk and Lugansk regions . (taking into account the territories controlled by the authorities of the "DPR" and "LPR") combined.
  • VicktorVR April 26 2020 11: 08 New
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    In our country, in the Chelyabinsk region, miners (Kopeisk mines) and miners (Korkino open pit) at one time had a very hard time. Largely, of course, due to the general devastation of the 90s, when there was no work anyway, and even more so for the reduced miners. Now the new 90s are approaching, on a global scale, and where to go now reduced workers is also not clear.
  • dgonni April 26 2020 12: 37 New
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    In general, two Leni and two Viti opened their eyes wide and knocking a little head on the wall. they ask. And what was so possible?
    For under Bendery Ukraine, the closure of the mine was stretched into a lengthy procedure for 10-15 years. With payments, providing pumping water and the howling of trade unions to heaven. Proud miners beat helmets on asphalt and demanded adequate wages.
    In 2013, in mines, depending on the owner essno, the average salary was 5647 EMNIP UAH! That bish 700+ dollars! But that’s average, considering the accounting and maintenance staff. Those who were engaged in real production and participated in the process received about 8000 UAH (a piece of killed raccoons!), On top, up to 1500-2000 of them in underground workings! And if someone told the miner that he would be writhing under the ground for $ 200, he would really fill your face.
    And right now, the laf for the miners! Do you want to get into the mine for $ 200? Go away! Something you do not like? On the basement or dig trenches determine yourself. For free.
    With regards to underfunding type Kiev mines! Kiev subsidized mines constantly, because it’s so stupid to send people to the streets and stupidly flood the mines, like dill had no brains. And the fact that Efremov with Vitia and Asirov 70% of the money stupidly stole something like that. They are strong business executives. Efremov he generally found a gold mine. Coal was transported from kopanoks through unprofitable state mines and stupidly put all the subsidies in his pocket, however, as he was put on the same miners.
  • Egor-dis April 26 2020 15: 49 New
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    The only question is why, instead of a rational systematic approach, the head of the Ministry of Labor of the LPR demonstrates some New Vasyuki, thereby suggesting that the government is not ready to offer any real alternative to the miners and that soon thousands of breadwinners will be on the streets?
    Because the solution to the problem lies beyond the perception of the Ministry of Labor. Well, or the minister does not risk saying how it will be next. But, everything has long been thought out by "senior comrades."
    1. Part of it will really go to Russia to the mines. It is true, but not all. Under conditions of total quarantine and self-isolation (it is not known how long it will last), they will be allowed to enter Russia only according to Russian passports. And they still need to get. And here we come to the second point. Where is the easiest way to get a Russian passport?
    2. The army. That is, "People’s Police". There are capital shortages in it now (why - don’t ask, this is a separate issue, but whoever served is in the know). The draft board cannot compensate for the outflow. Therefore, the closure of the mines solves the problem as well as possible. Miners get a normal salary and the opportunity to get Russian passports (as well as money to get them), and “vacationers” with big stars can report the closure of all full-time vacancies without even having to hire all the cleaners, plumbers, electricians, electricians and VAIShnikov. That is, for at least 1 contract, the problems of all interested parties will be resolved.
  • Dmitriyag April 26 2020 20: 52 New
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    In the Rostov Region, out of 64 mines of Rostov coal and Gukov coal, 4 were left (Obukhovskaya, Dalnaya, Sherlovskaya, Satkinskaya). We won’t work for Obukhovskaya and Dalnaya (the owner Akhmetov, all the bosses were changed to Ukrainians, the workers were also taken from there). Where are all these people that they worked at these mines have resolved? Training, it's all fiction, no work. They go on duty, across the country, spread the infection. All the support, only on paper, the times have passed when the state of people
  • APASUS April 26 2020 21: 45 New
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    I’m watching commentators because of disputes about coal, almost everyone missed one paragraph:
    Donetsk and Lugansk take the enterprises out of the external management carried out by Vneshtorgservice CJSC, which is controlled by the fugitive Ukrainian oligarch Sergey Kurchenko, and turn them into a state-owned unitary enterprise.

    This is called another redistribution of property. And the new owner does not want to invest in automation, but simply closes old, problem and unprofitable mines.
    1. dgonni April 26 2020 23: 21 New
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      And who is Kurchenko? The usual Vice-Chairman Pound, laying, so to speak, between the money of Asirov and the cool. The proverb with the world leader as always with the real economy has problems. Therefore, they looted the looted Donbas in the form of mines squeezed from Akhmetka and Ukraine, like republics. The fact that they brought the whole complex to a pen. That does not shake them. They are generally parallel to the Donbas and the miners. Not for nothing that the cool man first wanted to flee to the emirates and not to Russia.
  • kieferandreas April 27 2020 14: 59 New
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    The only problem is that part of the mines due to their low and negative profitability will be stopped and mothballed, and the miners will lose their jobs.

    according to the idea where poor income or even minus the mines should be closed, people and mining should be transferred to other (profitable mines)

    how do they work?
    that which is broken / broken is disassembled and goes to picking what else needs to be replenished so that something starts to work.

    since one person commented on what

    in the course of the database and the almost catastrophic consequences for a number of mines because of them, it (the situation) only worsened + the consequences of the blockade, the outflow of personnel (someone left, someone is at war, pensioners were fired, someone was no longer with us. .), lack of new equipment, lack of spare parts, hydraulic and lubricants, delays and non-payment of salaries - in general, one on one ...

    or is my thought wrong?