Rescue ships fail to catch reusable Falcon 9 rocket flaps

After yesterday's launch of the Falcon 9 rocket, two of its fairing flaps fell into the Atlantic Ocean. Special rescue vessels owned by SpaceX failed to catch them on surface networks.

This was reported by representatives of search and rescue services.

Flaps of a fairing of a head part of a rocket are intended for reusable use. The reuse of this element of a space rocket allows SpaceX to reduce the cost of launching its rockets by about $ 6 million.

The flaps that fell into the ocean yesterday were used for the second time. They parachuted to the Atlantic 45 minutes after the launch of the rocket from the cosmodrome, where special rescue ships Ms. were to catch them by surface nets. Chief and Ms. Tree by SpaceX. But this time they were not able to get the sash out of the water and deliver it to the shore.

The launch of the Falcon 9 rocket took place yesterday at 10.30 pm Moscow time from the NASA cosmodrome, located on the cape. Canaveral. The launch was a success. The rocket delivered 60 mini-satellites to Earth’s orbit. They will become part of Starlink’s global Internet coverage network.

The Falcon 9 is a heavy launch vehicle created by SpaceX, owned by US entrepreneur Ilon Musk.

Comments

[sanik2020]

I wonder whose account the losses will be written by rescuers or coronavirus.?

[donavi49]

At the expense of lost profits, or rather, lost revenue minimization of expenses (because the launch of SpaceX money). No one except the Mask is even trying to catch the flaps by the way.

But the booster was planted - it will fly for the fifth time in summer and autumn.

However, they need to change their approach to catching sashes. The current system does not work and will not work. How much network do not increase.

Probably they need to try with helicopters? How Rocketlab tries.

[Blackmokona]

Well, the next SpaceX rocket simply will not have a detachable fairing and it will return with the rocket. Thus, the problem will be radically solved

[donavi49]

Starship Extreme Risk Project ...

If he flies to the given parameters, then there will be a revolution and all other missiles will become obsolete at once.
However, there is a great chance that it will not really fly or fly much worse than planned (in the economy, first of all) - then it will be lost money and opportunities for SpaceX.

In fact, this is a gamble in fact. For all resources and money go to Starship. Nurse 9ku is not updated, not developed. 5-6 years will pass. All sorts of Glens, Volcanoes and other LVs, for example Gamma from Svetlyachkov, will enter the market. And not the fact that 9ka will hold the lead.

[Blackmokona]

Even if you fly 10 times worse than planned for the economy, it will still make all the missiles in the world combined

[pytar]

Starship is an extreme risk project ... If it flies to the given parameters, then there will be a revolution and all other missiles will become obsolete at once. However, there’s a great chance that it won’t really fly ... All sorts of Glen, Volcanoes and other launch vehicles will enter the market ...

Without risk there is no breakthrough, there will be no revolution! Someone risks and goes ahead, and someone sits and criticizes / Rogozin /, doing nothing. If you don’t take risks, you will never be the first! Those who risked will get ahead!

[donavi49]

I agree. Well, Musk made a really risky bet by transferring money, resources and R&D to a new revolutionary project.

Competitors make rockets much more conservative. However, again by the 25th they will have quite a competitive system for 9ki. If Starship fails, then 9ka will no longer take out the markets, as it takes out today. Well, then the loop - fewer orders, less money, less opportunity to upgrade 9ki.

[pytar]

Well, Musk made a really risky bet by transferring money, resources and R&D to a new revolutionary project. Competitors are making rockets much more conservative. However, again by the 25th they will have quite competitive systems for 9ki. If the Starship fails, then 9ka will no longer take out the market as it does today. Well, then the loop - fewer orders, less money, fewer opportunities for upgrading the 9k.

Competition implies a constant race! No one is guaranteed that they will always be first! But if you stop, you are guaranteed to lag behind! Everyone has different strategies in this race! Someone is more conservative, someone else is more reckless! Who is right time will tell! Elon Musk is constantly striving to create something new, a breakthrough! If he continues to do well, when others catch up with Falcon, Mask will have Starship, and the rest will again be catching up! Yes, and falcons are constantly being improved! Respect Mask, he's done!

[qobnvmog]

Quote: donavi49

less room for 9k modernization.

It doesn't really depend on the Mask. NASA severely limited SpaceX in terms of upgrading the Falcon9. NASA needs a stable level of technology to plan and finance missions; in the case of SpaceX, a stable version of the medium. Otherwise, each new version increased the risks of missions to the level of probation. And interrupting from time to time without long-term contracts NASA SpaceX do not intend to remain. Those. SpaceX was actually required to lay the final goal with the finished product in the Falcon 9 development project.

I believe that the entire accumulated R&D resource, and the entire staff, should have been planned to be transferred to a new project, or reduced. Those. it is not possible to stand still - either move up or go down. SpaceX had to come up with a big project so as not to lose all the specialists. And after the success of the Falcon 9, they will always have somewhere to go.
I believe that the SpaceX management predicted all this in advance and prepared such an R&D project in advance for the end of the Falcon 9 R&D project.

[military_cat]

Quote: donavi49

Well, then the loop - fewer orders, less money, less opportunity to upgrade 9ki.

Here, Musk secured himself - he founded the Starlink project, which, earning money on telecommunication services, requires constant launches of new batches of satellites.

[IL-2]

Musk does NOTHING - trades in person and is a nominal co-owner and founder. The company is managed by a special fund headed by another person. State funding for SpaceX is 75-80% of the company's budget. The policy is also determined by state. Structural USA.

[vadim dok]

Who told you this? Probably the OBS agency? Consider that they are led by aliens captured along with UFOs!

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

Nurse 9ku is not updated, not developed.
Why update it? It is almost perfect and certified for almost all types of loads.

[zlinn]

with helicopters it doesn’t work, the place where the shutters fall is 700 kilometers from the coast, back and forth and circling more than 1500 kilometers for helicopters is not possible, moreover, of the 3 re-used fairings, only one half was caught by the net, the other 4 halves were caught from the water, and also norms turned out

[Blackmokona]

As a result, the valves were caught from the water, and the news turned out to be fake

[surf dude]

In its own, this is a private company, not a hypothetical Head of CosmosStroy!

[Grass]

On this account there is insurance. Do not thank))

[vadim dok]

But it was possible for the FOURTH TIME to put on the platform the returning 1 first step! Will be sent for the fifth time soon!

[indy424]

what is called header art

[Courier]

But 1 step successfully sat down

[Blackmokona]

According to the priorities.
1) PN successfully put into orbit.
2) Booster sat down
3) The flaps are not caught.
All the same, the first thing is the load and the goal, then all the reusability sorted by the price of the salvaged property

[Blackmokona]

As it turned out, the fairing returned home
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic17942/message1979246/#message1979246

[Last centurion]

in fact, these shutters are two shuttles. I think the parachute system will be finalized and put

[qobnvmog]

News from another planet. A person wants to consistently reduce the cost of another 6 million.
In general, wet shields should not be a guarantee of failure. It can be modified by making them resistant to ocean water.

Generally successful SpaceX missions have become a chore.

[military_cat]

If I don’t confuse, these concrete flaps have already gotten wet, dried out and in the current mission they were just used a second time - successfully. Dried out again.

[pytar]

Yesterday's launch of the Falcon 9 rocket went smoothly and without problems!





A new batch of 60 mini satellites was successfully launched into low Earth orbit to continue the deployment of the Starlink system’s global Internet coverage network. The SpaceX orbital constellation already consists of 420 spacecraft.

But "as expected" on VO is focused on ...

Rescue ships failed to catch Falcon 9 reusable flaps

Something like the sash is the most important thing! Well, at least they mentioned that "The flaps that fell into the ocean yesterday have been used for the second time."

[vadim dok]

Space X claims FOUR StarLink system satellites are being produced at Mask at DAY! True, the satellite itself is not very large - about 260 kg!

[pytar]

True, the satellite itself is not very large - about 260 kg!

The highest technological level of the enterprises of the Mask, clearly allows the miniaturization of the satellite, and accordingly a significant reduction in weight.

[qobnvmog]

In general, the news about SpaceX’s attempts to save 6 million is especially noticeable after the news of the requirements of Roscosmos for several billion more.

It can be seen where the owner is saving his resources and money, and where there are no owners - only those managing the sharing of other people's resources and money. (Speaking of confrontation between private and public corporations.)

[Pvi1206]

times at a time ... not a very reliable scheme ... but promising: it reduces the amount of industrial waste on Earth ...

[abrakadabre]

promising: reduces the amount of industrial waste on Earth ...

And increases the amount thereof in orbit.

[IL-2]

Quote: military_cat

Quote: donavi49

Well, then the loop - fewer orders, less money, less opportunity to upgrade 9ki.

Here, Musk secured himself - he founded the Starlink project, which, earning money on telecommunication services, requires constant launches of new batches of satellites.

This Pentagon project, which not only included it in the annual report, but also provided the bulk of the funding.

Quote: "In December 2018, the Pentagon conducted several experiments with SpaceX's Starlink Earth Satellite System as part of its Defense Experimentation Using the Commercial Space Internet program, Breaking Defense reported.
The American publication also notes that from November to December of the current year, the military is testing Starlink compatibility with the flying battery of direct support for the AC-130 Specter ground forces. Similar experiments with the KC-135 Stratotanker military transport tanker are scheduled for spring 2020.

[IL-2]

Quote: qobnvmog

In general, the news about SpaceX’s attempts to save 6 million is especially noticeable after the news of the requirements of Roscosmos for several billion more.

It can be seen where the owner is saving his resources and money, and where there are no owners - only those managing the sharing of other people's resources and money. (Speaking of confrontation between private and public corporations.)

It’s great to read another myth of the liberde (above): SpaceX has been on state financing since 1 day with a percentage ratio of 75 to 100% of the company's budget - the main client of the Pentagon. The state support of the companies Ilona our Mask in recent years has exceeded $ 5. (Excluding government orders and double projects).

Before scolding Rogozin (and I’m not defending him), you need to know:
NASA 2020 Budget - $ 25 billion; (excluding other programs of state support for suppliers of space industry in the USA)

2018 SpaceX revenue - $ 2 (excluding tricky financing schemes and government subsidies)

Roscosmos budget: 2 US dollars 340 rubles. Russia (excluding defense orders) is 000 times smaller than NASA.

[donavi49]

the budget of the company - the main client of the Pentagon

In fact, the Pentagon until the last clings to Boeing and YULU, pays $ 420 million for the Heavy Delta and ignores 9ki-Heviki. For they are too cheap. Not yet pinned from the committees. And then, they have been pulling certification for the third year, buying ordinary Deltas at 150-180 million dollars for launch.

Here are the facts of 2019, the launch program:
6 launches commercial type, namely:
1) Iridium - yes, a company from the United States, but nevertheless on the market, they used to fly on Protons, Deltas and even Chinese LongMarshes if that.
2) Indonesian communications satellite.
3) Arabsat6a - which before that flew on Protons, and then on Ariana.
4) A pack of Canadian Radarsats.
5) Amos 17 for Israel.
6) Casifik - Japanese-Singaporean Internet for Oceania.

Only 1 launch was made in the interests of the Pentagon, with a demonstrator being carried, and the flight was certification.

4 launches were made in the interests of NASA, 3 standard flights to the ISS under the supply program and 1 certification flight of a manned spacecraft in unmanned mode.

What did his main competitor for the fattest orders - ULA do?
flew for 420 million on Hevik in January for reconnaissance
flew on the middle delta for the US air force
flew on the middle delta for the US air force

that’s all. No one else needs these over pricing suitcases. Atlas (where RD180) is not better:
flew with a U.S. Air Force satellite
flew with Starliner on the ISS

Antares with RD-181, where for every launch with a swan NASA pays more than 9ka + Dragon:
flew with a swan on the ISS
flew with a swan on the ISS

The result in 2019, the puppet of the Pentagon Musk flew with a military order as much as 1 TIME, but honest Boeing and YULAthat Rogozin has no complaints about (well, of course, they then break the price such that even the US budget is cracking) - they just did what they flew for the Pentagon and NASA.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

75 to 100% of the company's budget - the main client of the Pentagon

- Lying

excluding cunning financing schemes and state. subsidies

- about which you are embarrassed to tell

The state support of the companies Ilona our Mask in recent years has exceeded $ 5. (Excluding government orders and double projects).

- a lie, the main thing is to repeat more often, all the same you do not need to prove anything to anyone


Go to Rogozin, you are with him one field substance

[Moore]

It’s interesting, but did someone measure the cost of all these landing nets, the dishes on which they are placed, with the cost of these very wings?

[T.Henks]

A picture of these pieces would result. 6 lyam for what? Are they worth it? Or do you have to shout wow?

[thinker]

There are a lot of pictures https://habr.com/ru/news/t/463051/

The head fairing of the Falcon family rockets has a length of 13 meters and a diameter of 5,2 meters. It consists of two halves of a high-tech cap made of carbon fiber and cellular aluminum, and its inner surface is covered with panels that protect the payload in dense layers of the atmosphere from acoustic and thermal effects during flight.

[IL-2]

Quote: vadim dok

Who told you this? Probably the OBS agency? Consider that they are led by aliens captured along with UFOs!

So: Supervised by Space Exploration Technologies Corporation, an experienced woman, Gwynne Shotwell, is an American entrepreneur. He is president and chief operating officer of SpaceX, an American aerospace corporation that provides services for the delivery of payloads into space for both the US government and commercial customers. As of 2017, it occupies the 70th position among the most influential women in the world according to Forbes magazine [3].

If you understand corporate governance, then Musk is not led by SpaceX - he is a shareholder with a controlling stake while no one knows the status of this stake (it can be laid down, burdened, etc.).
Shareholders determine a strategy together. In the USA, very complex corporate rules and laws there, shareholders are often very limited in their ability to directly influence the company's business processes.

The main shareholders:

Elon Musk, as of 2016–2017, owned 54% of SpaceX's capital.
other shareholders by the level of influence on SpaceX and the number of investments from larger to smaller:
DFJ Growth (a venture capital company investing in modern technology);
Founders Fund (venture capital company);
Google;
Bank of America;
Baillie Gifford (financial institution for investment management);
Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan (an independent organization that manages teacher retirement benefits in Ontario, Canada).
In addition to large investors, there are also about 21 small ones, for example, Scott Banister, Rothenberg Ventures, Fidelity Investments, Capricorn Venture Partners, Valor Equity Partners.

[IL-2]

Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)

75 to 100% of the company's budget - the main client of the Pentagon

- Lying

excluding cunning financing schemes and state. subsidies

- about which you are embarrassed to tell

The state support of the companies Ilona our Mask in recent years has exceeded $ 5. (Excluding government orders and double projects).

- a lie, the main thing is to repeat more often, all the same you do not need to prove anything to anyone


Go to Rogozin, you are with him one field substance

Well, a lie so a lie)) Maskophiles always nervously react to the truth about their god Ilona))
So about the budget, this related more to the initial stage of Space Exploration Technologies Corporation when the first launches and development of the Falcon 9 ships (contract for 50 launches) and Dragon (appropriated about $ 400 million). Naturally, funding went through NASA, which is inextricably linked with the US military-industrial complex and other ways.

There is no constraint to write about tricky schemes, but you just need to write a whole work), nevertheless a couple of examples:
Space X was created in 2002, and in 2006 oops 1 launch) In those few countries where top-level rocket technologies are developed, this is uniquely top-secret knowledge and technology, people will catch it all and suddenly a large team of people from the TRW Inc. group, such as the designer rocket engines Thomas Muller abruptly goes into an unknown team to our mask Ilon and Gwenn Shotwell with rocket technology. Technologies that flowed smoothly into Space exploration technologies cost hundreds of billions of dollars (remember that the development of the F-35 fighter alone cost more than $ 1,5 trillion), and here such a gift is free))) All questions with the TRW Inc. group of companies were settled quietly quietly by family. And as you know, they love and know how to sue for assets and copyright in the USA .. Space X provided a green street of financing that allowed launching the production of rockets using foreign technologies in a short time. And the conclusion of the Gwenn Shotwell contract for 50 launches when there were still almost no missiles. The acquisition of a missile military training ground in 2003 is also a common thing - why did he go and buy a training ground for the market, well, special bench equipment and testing techniques for missile and special equipment is to buy a stall (China, India, Iran couldn’t). The Bank of America is part of the shareholders ..
Is it just a holiday of gifts and luck days)) Or is it a private-state project skillfully disguised as a brilliantly private one?

And 5 billion state support is only direct money over the past few years, they were allocated in various forms, for example:
SpaceX received millions from the Air Force to develop the Raptor engine through OTA (Other Transaction Agreement).
January 13, 2016 SpaceX was allocated 33,6 million dollars.
On October 19, 2017, the SpaceX award in the framework of the same OTA was increased by another $ 16,9 million.
And this is all a penny because by merging technologies and providing exclusive access to the infrastructure of the aerospace industry, special materials, software, special communication systems and telemetry, the infrastructure of space centers, hundreds of billions of state support were actually received because the company simply did not have to spend ANYTHING on it))

[lvov_aleksey]

I always knew this, space is not a toy - you can’t buy it in a store. Space is politics and nothing more (technology is in another department), and in politics they do not spare money, because even more money can be obtained