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Roscosmos wants a substantial increase in funding for work on the Angara launch vehicle

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Roscosmos wants a substantial increase in funding for work on the Angara launch vehicle

It is reported that Roscosmos’s plans for funding the development, creation and testing of the latest Angara-class launch vehicles (launch vehicles) are being reported.


According to RIA News, Roskosmos wants to increase funding by about 2,5 times. We are talking about an amount of 65 billion rubles.

It is reported that the initial project as part of the Amur development project involved the allocation of a little more than 26 million rubles.

The objective of the project is to create a heavy-class launch vehicle for the Vostochny spaceport. The same amount should have included the conduct of flight tests of the "Angara-A5", related to the mentioned heavy class. The number of such flight tests is three.

At the same time, there is no data on why Roscosmos needed such a significant increase in program funding.

The same source of information writes about Roskosmos’s intentions to create modernized versions of Angara missiles. For example, we are talking about the Angara-A5V heavy-duty rocket, as well as the Angara-A5M version.

Recall that on the basis of previously approved plans, the launch of Angara-A5 is scheduled to be completed before the end of this year. This launch will be the second. The first was implemented back in 2014.



At that time, the Angara-1.2 rocket was launched.

For reference: "Angara-A5" has a launch mass of 773 tons with a length of more than 55 m. The discharged weight in the low reference orbit is 24,5 tons, in the geostationary - about 4,6 tons.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 23 2020 06: 25 New
    19
    It is reported that Roscosmos’s plans for funding the development, creation and testing of the latest Angara-class launch vehicles (launch vehicles) are being reported.
    This shuffling of our "Roscosmos" has already bothered, "Angara" - "Irtysh" - "Angara" ... this also affects the timing and quality of the work, and most importantly, the output was "0", so it remains "0"
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 23 2020 06: 34 New
      +3
      Roscosmos wants a substantial increase in funding for work on the Angara launch vehicle
      come on Rogozin, burn! wassat
      1. knn54
        knn54 April 23 2020 07: 42 New
        +3
        At such a moment, demanding funds is blasphemy. Moreover, on REGULAR postponements of terms.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus April 23 2020 16: 42 New
          +1
          At such a moment to demand funds is blasphemy

          At the same time, there is no data on why Roscosmos needed such a significant increase in program funding

          Money for the "Angara", as well as for the vast majority of "breakthrough projects" will go on a regular mission to the Black Hole. No analogo-off and super-top secret! request
      2. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi April 23 2020 10: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Dead Day
        come on Rogozin, burn!

        Last but one letter of the sentence correct. Instead of G by R. So it will be closer to reality.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus April 23 2020 17: 08 New
          +2
          Don't ... choke. And, mind you, how amazing it is to listen to joyfully shrieking clowns against the background of the fact that with ridiculous salaries of ordinary workers at Rosraspilkosmos production facilities, already an order of magnitude less than those of the hard workers of the "swindler" Mask, and despite the fact that most of the "space" elements lie on the territory of Russia periodic tables, which the state could provide the most important manufacturers at very reasonable prices, bunches of Russian launch vehicles are more expensive. Truly, a mine for crooks and thieves!
    2. Teberii
      Teberii April 23 2020 06: 35 New
      15
      Well, how do you like Ilon Mask, we, too, can earn money from scratch.
      1. qobnvmog
        qobnvmog April 23 2020 06: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Teberii
        Well, how do you like Ilon Mask, we, too, can earn money from scratch.

        Also? It was Musk who forced the whole world to reduce the extra-high margin on launches. Rogozin recently personally admitted.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 April 23 2020 09: 00 New
        +7
        Musk littered his Starlins yesterday. He landed a step - another booster candidate for 5 flights. As a result, 420 satellites are located. 2 more rockets and test inclusion.

        By a bonus - the main competitor died (Roskosmos has 7 commercial launches, Arian has 4). Now Musk is a monopolist wink .
        1. bayard
          bayard April 24 2020 00: 27 New
          0
          Our shuffle began when we decided to build Soyuz-5 (aka Phoenix, etc.) instead of Angara-5, so that from Sea Launch, and from Vostochny, and from ... Baikonur ... But it turned out that the new spacecraft "Federation" \ "Eagle" (or whatever else it would call him) will weigh more than planned and "Soyuz-5" will not pull it ... again a dead end in the development of manned programs. Besides, "Soyuz-5" will appear, God forbid, in 5 years.
          And "Protons" are running out ... Yes, and Kazakhstan is flocking to its launches - it is poisonous ...
          So the return to "Angara-5" is quite natural and justified - the carrying capacity is enough for the spacecraft, and for launching geostationary satellites, and for a series of military satellites that have already been waiting for their turn. And the readiness of "Angara-5" has almost been achieved.
          So there is nothing to shy away from, it is necessary to launch "Angara-5" in the series and due to the serial production and mass use, to reduce the cost. Launch from Vostochny. And when Soyuz-5 is ready, use it in your weight category from Baikonur (Kazakhstan is asking for it) and from the Sea Launch. And everyone has enough work.
          But the shyness of recent years between these two missiles have done a lot of harm.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 April 24 2020 08: 16 New
            +1
            But here you will have to milk the budget with the Angara. Now this is Delta4 for money - if you transfer to America. Delta is bought only by the military. And then with their sticks they are forced to certify other launch vehicles (not only the Mask). For it is a wild overprice.

            In the future, by the 30s they will probably be reduced to 65-70 million. But not a fact.

            In a market light, a rocket is dead. The only customer is military / Roskosmos. That is, again, as with the Delta. But are there enough budgets to pay twice as much as in the market?
            1. bayard
              bayard April 24 2020 09: 38 New
              0
              First, the military (ours) have very big plans for its payload. "Proton" would also do, but consider it not - the Kazakhs are against it. And the military has a lot of things to launch - there is Liana and a bunch of others, launches of at least 35.
              Second, manned space exploration. The new KK ... "Eagle", if not renamed again, will weigh more than "Federation", because it will be metal, and not composite as they wanted before (poisonous emissions when the case is heated in the atmosphere) and its already "Soyuz-5" with its 18 tons of payload, will not pull. Exit - ONLY "Angara-5". This means that this rocket will be in demand regularly. And such a serial production and demand will steadily reduce its cost, as at the time of the Soyuz launch vehicle - I would never have believed otherwise that such a package would be more economical than a monoblock, but ... serial production.
              And there is simply no other way.
              Have time and money in stock, it was possible due to the suspension of additional. blocks to the 1st stage of "Soyuz-5" to raise its carrying capacity, but ... all this is expensive and time-consuming. And "Angara-5" is already ready. Prepare a table on the East and - on the road.
              Neither the military nor manned astronautics can be left without a carrier. And it was the military who insisted on "Angara-5" for their satellites, they need it already yesterday.
      3. RUSS
        RUSS April 30 2020 11: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Teberii
        Well, how do you like Ilon Mask, we, too, can earn money from scratch.

        Roscosmos’s attacks on US competitors relate exclusively to SpaceX, but do not affect US companies such as ULA and Northrop Grumman. The reason is that the Russian state corporation sells rocket engines in the USA from the Scientific and Production Association (NPO) Energomash for a considerable amount of money, which are critical for the survival of this Russian enterprise. The RD-180 engine receives the first stage of the Atlas V heavy carrier from ULA, while the RD-181 power unit is mounted on a Northrop Grumman Antares medium rocket. Not surprisingly, back in January 2018, Energomash CEO Igor Arbuzov admitted that the company he headed was highly financially dependent on U.S. orders. According to him, foreign contracts provide more than half of the revenue of NGOs, while the rest falls on state orders. Then Arbuzov bluntly stated that the bulk of the company's revenue is generated from the supply of RD-180 and RD-181 to the United States.
    3. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 April 23 2020 07: 47 New
      +1
      [quoteThis shuffle of our "Roscosmos" is already tired] [/ quote] Yes, really! No creative to attract funding and no copying! We would like to learn from our leadership how to ask for money! Putting together an economic forum! You go to the podium and ask for investment! For a start, you can assemble a forum of Russian business oligarchs. Then go to the international level and ask for money from the world capital! As I understand it, the state has hammered into space. Given the space industry, spin as you can! They ruined the industry, well, it means no luck! It turned out not to be competitive. We all know, everything is better there than here! I think the next step will be either buying their technology or equipment, or renting their equipment! Although our economic moles may consider this a waste of money! Why not? Funding this development requires money. The production of carriers and satellites also requires money (the maintenance of the factory buildings, machine tools, salaries, and so on). The maintenance of spaceports is also expensive! I will not be surprised at the tender for the dismantling of cosmodromes and the utilization of space technology! Forward to the past!? Some are raising the country from plow to nuclear technology, others go from nuclear technology to wooden plow!
    4. Klingon
      Klingon April 23 2020 08: 08 New
      +1
      this is not shy away and beging for another loot wassat
    5. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 08: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      It is reported that Roscosmos’s plans for funding the development, creation and testing of the latest Angara-class launch vehicles (launch vehicles) are being reported.
      This shuffling of our "Roscosmos" has already bothered, "Angara" - "Irtysh" - "Angara" ... this also affects the timing and quality of the work, and most importantly, the output was "0", so it remains "0"

      Why "0"? A heavy-class carrier rocket "Angara-A5" is being prepared for launch.
      MOSCOW, April 16. / TASS /. Specialists of the Center. Khrunicheva are currently conducting final checks on the Angara-A5 heavy-class launch vehicle before it is sent to the Plesetsk cosmodrome. There are no comments on the product, the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin said on Thursday.

      "This is our beautiful Angara A5 with side blocks. Now checks are underway at the Khrunichev Center's Control and Testing Station. No criticism has been identified," Rogozin wrote on Twitter.

      https://tass.ru/kosmos/8265167
    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 23 2020 14: 10 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      This shuffling of our "Roscosmos" is already tired

      Well, according to the article, to say does not mean to do. How many statements, exclamations, and promises were before this? As in that joke about Chukchi and submariners, you don’t blame me, you show me a finger.
    7. vadim dok
      vadim dok April 23 2020 18: 15 New
      0
      The Balkon 9 Mask rocket, which has been flying for a LONG time, has a TTX of at least no worse: cargo delivery to NOU 22,8 tons. Without the return of the 1st stage (with a return of 4,8 tons) At the GPO-8,3 tons with a return of 5,5 tons At the Designed Angara at the NOU 24,6 tons. At GPO -4,6 tons. So what's the BREAKTHROUGH? Only in costs!
      1. Filxnumx
        Filxnumx April 24 2020 21: 58 New
        0
        So what's the BREAKTHROUGH?

        The breakthrough is that the characteristics "at least not worse" than Angara A-5 Falcon 9 shows from the latitude of Cape Canaveral (28 ° 35′06 ″ N). When the Maskovskaya nine is launched from Vostochny (51 ° 53′04 ″ N), its carrying capacity at LEO will be 3-4 tons lower, while the performance characteristics of the Angara were calculated specifically for launches from the Vostochny cosmodrome.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 23 2020 06: 34 New
    +8
    Zadolbali already these throwings!
    Either to finish the Angara, or Soyuz-9 this is our everything, then we will build some kind of Russia or Yenisei.
    And by the end there is no horseradish!
    On the contrary, the royal "seven" and the Protons all fly and they all promise to be buried.
  3. U-58
    U-58 April 23 2020 06: 37 New
    10
    Being in some way on the subject of the question, I think that 65 lards is the MINIMUM that Roscosmos dared to ask the government.
    The work there is three heavy trains.
    In a good way, and hundreds of billions are few ..
    Now there are situations that at least laugh, at least cry.
    Need a bronze blank weighing 1,5 kg for the manufacture of details.
    But there is no money.
    What do you want, then do ..
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter April 23 2020 07: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: U-58
      Now there are situations that at least laugh, at least cry.
      Need a bronze blank weighing 1,5 kg for the manufacture of details.
      But there is no money.
      What do you want, then do ..

      I understand you very well. Friends from Energomash complain ... About the same thing ... After all the "arts" they tightened the screws so that the thread would not be torn off ... Well, Rogozin should be removed, but who should he change to? After SUCH leaders in the enterprises entrusted to them, there are no intelligent and proactive ...
    2. mole
      mole April 23 2020 08: 03 New
      +6
      I dare to assume that if the so-called managerial apparatus to dig deeper, then the money is not only enough for the bronze ingot. This is not only Roskosmos concerns.
    3. Awaz
      Awaz April 23 2020 17: 29 New
      +1
      this is such a modern control system. In my production, where I work, they took and made all the workshops independent firms. On the one hand, yes, every site should now be self-sufficient and earn money. But, in production, there are always unprofitable narrow directions.
      But not even that scary. The terrible thing is that now we sometimes have comical situations when one section does not have time to pay another and that one does not supply components. As a result of downtime and naturally loss. But this really doesn’t really bother anyone.
  4. Pavel73
    Pavel73 April 23 2020 06: 41 New
    +1
    The trouble is that the Angara is a bad rocket. She has a frankly weak and very expensive first stage. Trying to cure it with hydrogen will be even more expensive. It was necessary from the very beginning to make an analog of Zenith in Proton diameter of 4,1 m. This would allow on its basis to create a monoblock, three-block, five-block and seven-block modifications with any conceivable carrying capacity: from 17 to 100 tons and above.
    1. D16
      D16 April 23 2020 07: 46 New
      +4
      The rocket is not bad. That was bad. the task. What was ordered, then received. An attempt to compact everything into one complex, from a light to super heavy rocket, inevitably led to a weak second stage, because it is based on a light rocket. How easy it is, how hard the road is, and the load is limited due to the weak 2nd stage; in my opinion, nobody considers the super-heavy project seriously. lol Now Samara is doing work on mistakes in the form of the Union 5.
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 April 23 2020 08: 18 New
        +8
        Eh, no. TK did not fall from the ceiling either. No one set the task of creating just such a rocket, with universal rocket modules of exactly this size. This is exactly the developer's initiative: by modularity, to cover the entire range of payloads from light to heavy, and thereby kill all competitors inside Russia ("Seven", for example). At the same time, they did not take into account that the main earning of money is the launch of satellites to the GSO, i.e., it is heavy payloads. And for such loads, the first stage, made up of a bundle of small universal rocket modules, is sub-optimal, complex and very expensive. And this cannot be fixed in any way, because the first stage is the basis of the entire rocket. For the bulk of the GSO-shnyh loads, a monoblock rocket of the Proton dimension is needed. Only such a rocket is capable of making money. Because one rocket block is not five. It is much easier and cheaper. And it is no coincidence that Ilona Mask's monoblock Falcon-9 has a similar dimension, and successfully earns money. And if you need a very heavy payload, then combine three such blocks. And again, Musk proved that such a rocket is realizable and could be used in the future. For the moon, for example. It's a shame that the Americans actually proved what we had every chance of getting ahead of them. If we had not contacted Angara :(.
        1. D16
          D16 April 23 2020 20: 38 New
          0
          Uh, no. TK also did not fall from the ceiling. No one set the task to create just such a missile, with universal missile modules of just this size.

          Not from the ceiling, but from the military. Baikonur remained in Kazakhstan, and military satellites had to be launched from Plesetsk, and he was far north. The task was to create a complex for the withdrawal of all types of load from Plesetsk. There was no talk of any money making and competition with Musk. The warriors wanted their Delta-4, received. lol
          For the bulk of GSO-shnyh loads need a monoblock rocket of dimension Proton. Only such a rocket can make money.

          She was originally with RD-171 in the first and 0120 in the second. The change of the project occurred in the 97th year with the consent of the Moscow Region. actually got the Royal Seven at a new technological level laughing
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 23 2020 06: 51 New
    +3
    Well, can you skil !? Either "Angara" is needed ... now "Angara" is not needed ... then "Angara" is needed again ... (!), But "tomorrow", again, is it unnecessary? So after all, you can "roll" like "these"!
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 April 23 2020 08: 20 New
      +1
      Need not. Dead end. And the sooner they close it, the better. And all funds from it must be directed to Soyuz-5.
    2. U-58
      U-58 April 23 2020 08: 40 New
      0
      She is still needed. So far - until the creation of the Union-5.
      But in principle, it is not needed.
      However, taking into account the myriad (from the word "estimate") the amount of money spent, the removal from production of Protons, the accelerated pace of construction of the launch on Vostochny, it will be done.
      In the end, the military will need it as an independent means of elimination. 3 times a year.
      Yes, the question is how quickly things will go in the fifth Union.
      Again, they will give him money.
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 23 2020 06: 55 New
    +2
    If "Angara is our everything," then what to say about the country in general after that? ?? Our country is like a kind of superAngara? ??? belay sad
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 23 2020 07: 04 New
    -2
    Roscosmos wants to increase funding by about 2,5 times.
    You must be more modest, comrades, more modest.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 April 23 2020 07: 19 New
    +2
    But who doesn’t want additional financing ???
    There are no such things in nature!
  9. Errr
    Errr April 23 2020 07: 51 New
    0
    Mr. Rogozin, fictitious manager:
    For trainings, welcome to the bank. Yeah, in any. Give him...
    Well, you and the leaders, the under-capitalists of the communes! laughing
  10. mole
    mole April 23 2020 07: 53 New
    +1
    An indiscreet question to representatives of Roscosmos who pledged promises for three generations ahead:
    When will the result be?
    1. atalef
      atalef April 23 2020 08: 00 New
      +8
      Quote: Mole
      An indiscreet question to representatives of Roscosmos who pledged promises for three generations ahead:
      When will the result be?

      1. mole
        mole April 23 2020 08: 09 New
        +2
        laughing
        Atalef, he doesn’t look like Gerasim, he was less talkative ...
    2. U-58
      U-58 April 23 2020 08: 43 New
      +2
      Result? The lunar program of the USSR "crashed" precisely because of underfunding
  11. Peter is not the first
    Peter is not the first April 23 2020 07: 59 New
    +2
    And what to do with both Roscosmos and the government. Huge money has already been spent both on the development of Angara-class missiles and on the construction of a launch complex at the Vostochny cosmodrome. It is no longer possible to give up everything and stop development and construction halfway. Took up the tug, so pull.
    It is bad that our funding of projects does not depend on a competition between design organizations, but on who has a more "furry" hand at the moment at the top of power. The lobbying is not the best project, but the closeness of the leadership to the authorities. So the priorities change, now one is in favor, and they finance the Angara family, then another, and then they finance the Irtysh (Soyuz-5), and then they remember the Yenisei heavyweights.
  12. Klingon
    Klingon April 23 2020 08: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Mole
    An indiscreet question to representatives of Roscosmos who pledged promises for three generations ahead:
    When will the result be?

    Rose Cosmos: - Tomorrow! or maybe the day after tomorrow! no, well, if you still give money, then after the day after tomorrow it’s absolutely certain! or better next week, but then I’m already guaranteeing that EVERYTHING will be all set! chesslovo! I give a tooth!
    ... but in general N. Nosov described this situation well in "Dunno on the Moon", where Dunno and his friend ended up on a "stupid" island where, because of bad air, everyone turns into rams and to escape from there he was going to build a boat "tomorrow", but it was TOMORROW, and the construction of the boat was postponed until the day after tomorrow, and so on.
    A rhetorical question: who is in RozKosmos we have Dunno ?? and who are "rams"? wassat
  13. Nikolay87
    Nikolay87 April 23 2020 08: 23 New
    +2
    Oh, effective managers quarantined to work.
  14. T.Henks
    T.Henks April 23 2020 08: 35 New
    0
    Something seems to me that all this fuss with eco-carriers Greta stinks. Soviet carriers were excellently taken to the geostationary, the percentage of failures was within the norm, the screams of partners and non-partners about crop failures in the desert were nothing more than "uncle, give me 14 kopecks." No?
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY April 23 2020 09: 04 New
      +4
      No?
      No. Hydrazines are extremely toxic. Even the military refused them.
      1. T.Henks
        T.Henks April 23 2020 14: 26 New
        0
        Kerosene + oxygen + frigate? How is the seven? I was not talking about air defense. It is poured, drained there. In protons, once filled.
  15. Roman123567
    Roman123567 April 23 2020 08: 53 New
    0
    At the same time, there is no data on why Roscosmos needed such a significant increase in program funding.

    "Y"! - "So that nobody would guess."
  16. O. Bender
    O. Bender April 23 2020 08: 54 New
    +1
    In ....... (enter the necessary), they want, plan, and so on (enter the necessary), significantly increase (enter the necessary). Ehhhh!
  17. Roman123567
    Roman123567 April 23 2020 09: 10 New
    +5
    Meanwhile:
    "US company SpaceX launched a heavy Falcon 22 launch vehicle with 9 mini-satellites on Wednesday evening, April 60, to further deploy Starlink's global Internet coverage.
    The first reusable stage of the Falcon 9 launch vehicle, which was already used in fourth times, made a successful landing on the floating platform Of Course I Still Love You in the Atlantic Ocean, located 630 km from the cosmodrome. "
  18. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 23 2020 10: 06 New
    +1
    When there was money, then it was necessary to invest, now they are gone. Instead of scolding the Mask, it would be necessary to decide what we ourselves want, or else there are a lot of projects and the output is zilch.
  19. Piramidon
    Piramidon April 23 2020 10: 25 New
    0
    So far, at the exit through the "Angara" we see only plans and intentions, but
    Roscosmos wants to increase funding by about 2,5 times. We are talking about an amount of 65 billion rubles.
  20. slipped
    slipped April 23 2020 10: 56 New
    -3
    Again, the news was fake.

    The casket just opens - money is needed for new rocket modifications. On manned launches, on the creation of a hydrogen version. It’s impossible to build new missiles for free. laughing

    The amount previously received made it possible to create a new production, on which new missiles are already being assembled:



    The fully assembled heavy media is almost ready to run:



    The launch pad of the Amur space complex is under construction:



    So it is justified, for further development, financing is required further.
    1. Commissar77
      Commissar77 April 24 2020 08: 16 New
      0
      Have you tried self-sufficiency?
      1. slipped
        slipped April 24 2020 14: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Military Commissar77
        Have you tried self-sufficiency?


        On the pasture, or what? laughing Such complex systems quickly, and it is required to do this in three or four years, are not created on one "self-sufficiency".
  21. spectr
    spectr April 23 2020 11: 47 New
    0
    And here in the upper circles the panic begins. Be afraid of the financial collapse to remain without funding and begin to line up with the government with outstretched hands, while competitors are not ahead.
  22. camo ridges
    camo ridges April 23 2020 12: 07 New
    0
    Until Putin realizes that Rogozin is simply
    soap bubble, mediocre and incapable of something
    sensible to commit, our space successes yet
    go deeper into the past, and the present will be everything
    more bleak. Is there really no one to replace this
    balabol, who failed everything that was entrusted to him, and
    there may be some reasons why this
    the near-by guy is still afloat - for example, Putin
    I personally owe him something ... All that remains is to get lost in
    guesses, and in the meantime Rogozinsky Roscosmos will
    devour billions, demand more and more, not
    while giving no return. Only empty promises
    and promises of some new fantastic projects,
    started by the principle: either the padishah will die, or
    donkey, without waiting for anything ...
  23. IL-2
    IL-2 April 23 2020 14: 35 New
    -5
    Roscosmos for its penny financing makes a feat every day - and a huge industry lives and starts. Yes, they also built a spaceport.
    Guys well, is it really lazy to look at finance? Or do you think that they steal less in the USA?

    NASA 2020 budget - 25,2 billion US dollars 1 Russian rubles (+895 percent on the crisis, Trump promised to add)
    The budget of ROSKOSMOS 2020 is 2,34 billion US dollars of 176 Russian rubles (and no one promised anything).

    P.S. SpiceX sits on state orders to the ears of up to 80% of the budget, even the STARLINK project together with the Pentagon are doing.
  24. ZVS
    ZVS April 23 2020 14: 45 New
    0
    Roskosmos has found a way of endless funding, and therefore a comfortable existence for top management for many years. The hangara should have been ready long ago, but it is not and will not be. There will be no Federation either, only projects and projects. Baikonur was built in 5 years almost with shovels, and Vostochny is being built for the eighth year. These are all the fruits of the "economic development" outlined by Putin.
  25. pexotinec
    pexotinec April 23 2020 15: 24 New
    0
    Salary financing of top managers! Maybe then it will go.
  26. A.TOR
    A.TOR April 23 2020 17: 11 New
    +2
    I read the comments and understand what kind of good people you are ...
    Here are just one question you do not want to answer, but at least to clearly articulate:
    - Why does Russia need cosmonautics today and in the foreseeable future?
    Accordingly, others follow from here:
    - What are the goals of creating new launch vehicles dictate their technical level - type, operating parameters (incl. payload)?
    - Who is the consumer of the services provided with these new missiles?
    - what is their solvency? how promising are these consumers and, accordingly,
    - What is the future of these new, billions worth of projects?
    If you think in "such a cut", and do not play the trick about "rogue Mask", you will see that the Russian Federation has little interesting in space apart from military-applied tasks. Sounding, weather, communication ...
    What else?
    Exploration of the planets of the solar system? Well, it’s not even funny: for such cases, you need a colossal depth and breadth of goal-setting, which in the United States is carried out, generally speaking, by a huge scientific community that has serious lobbying "to the very top" - after all, many senators and congressmen studied at universities and kept with his "alma mater" strong and warm ties. The university world of America is, in fact, extremely influential, which is largely ensured by its not particularly large financial dependence on the state - face the truth: the United States has visited almost all the planets of the solar system for several decades, provides mankind with the lion's share of information about deep space (this is to the question of the "huge and" plundered "NASA budget).
    America has accumulated colossal scientific baggage as a result of actually applied research on other planets - now the transition to the next, practical phase begins, i.e. exploring development opportunities.
    As for Russia, if you really want to do space, you need to start "from the ore": to restore planetariums, circles of "young astronomers" and sections of young cosmonauts "(and not transfer too much free money to" parks-Patriots "of military glory with melting down" enemy trophy weapons "in the steps of the church).
    But the main thing, of course, is not at all in this: it will never be possible to "catch up" with Mask and others, because if the Americans feel a profit (albeit distantly future), they will progressively launch an offensive along the entire front and achieve results, whatever the cost. The United States is currently discussing either 15 or 16 projects for creating space businesses of the "close-komaskovskiy" scale.
    We need to connect and work together - the Universe, by the way, is somewhat larger than some people think.
    1. slipped
      slipped April 23 2020 20: 54 New
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      So I will answer:

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      - Why does Russia need cosmonautics today and in the foreseeable future?


      To switch to a new technological lifestyle. Do you know what it is? laughing

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      Accordingly, others follow from here:
      - What are the goals of creating new launch vehicles dictate their technical level - type, operating parameters (incl. payload)?


      A5 - replacement of "Proton-M", the launches of which are curtailed at the request of Kazakhstan, and the withdrawal of all its payloads from the Russian territory, A5P - delivery of a new generation manned spacecraft into orbit, A5B - maintenance of a lunar station, commercial cluster launches of heavy spacecraft.

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      - Who is the consumer of the services provided with these new missiles?


      Moscow Region, Ministry of Emergency Situations, GKPS, Roshydromet, Gazprom space systems and many other public and private companies and organizations.

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      - what is their solvency? how promising are these consumers and, accordingly,
      - What is the future of these new, billions worth of projects?


      Solvency - the country's defense, the transmission of television and the Internet, monitoring the hydrometeorological situation? lol Cosmos has long entered our lives. Apparently, you just don’t notice this, everything happens by itself.

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      If you think in "such a cut", and do not play the trick about "rogue Mask", you will see that the Russian Federation has little interesting in space apart from military-applied tasks. Sounding, weather, communication ...

      What else?


      And also astrophysical research of space and other planets. Space medicine and scientific and applied tasks of the crew of the space station, the development of new technologies, including fundamental science.

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      Researching the planets of the solar system? Well, this is not even funny:


      Of course not funny. This is very serious. For example, our devices are on the new space AMS "Beppi Colombo" flying to Mercury, just now during its flight near the Earth they were successfully turned on and tested. And before that, our LEND device made a map of the presence of water on the moon. Russian space spectrometers and detectors at the TGO station of the Exomars-2016 project carry out long-term studies of the Martian atmosphere.

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      for such matters, goal-setting, enormous in depth and breadth of coverage,


      We have the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. With a long history and scientific school. If you are not in the know then this is the problem of your education.

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      which is carried out in the US ....


      Well, clearly, you are the next to sing along with the USA. From Ukraine or what?

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      As for Russia, if you really want to do space, you have to start "from the ore": restore planetariums, circles of "young astronomers" and sections of young cosmonauts "


      Do names like "Sirius" or "Quantorium" tell you something? Schoolchildren from the same Sirius Center a year and eight months ago assembled and launched into space two real SiriusSat satellites. Which successfully transmit scientific data to this day. In addition, these same guys are preparing another satellite for launch. And they have their own planetarium.



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      But the main thing, of course, is not at all in this: it will never be possible to "catch up" with Mask and others,


      Why "catch up" with him? :) What did he do to make it necessary to "catch up"? A semi-reusable rocket that costs more to launch than our disposables? lol

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      We need to connect and work together - the Universe, by the way, is somewhat larger than some people think.


      And we don’t need the Americans with their jokes anymore, we and the Chinese are starting to work together pretty well. On the same moon we have an interesting program looming.
      1. A.TOR
        A.TOR April 23 2020 20: 58 New
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        You are also a good person.
      2. A.TOR
        A.TOR April 24 2020 21: 04 New
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        It is strange that you were given "cons". Faith must be maintained and strengthened
        1. slipped
          slipped April 25 2020 06: 24 New
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          It is strange that you were given "cons".


          Yes, it makes no difference to me. laughing I answered your questions with easily verifiable facts through the network and even posted a photo from my mobile phone, with a line to the planetarium - there was a really interesting program there. And then someone such a factual eye pricks. laughing
          1. A.TOR
            A.TOR April 25 2020 12: 43 New
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            I'm not talking about that ... It's not about "factage". Believers like you should be protected and protected, not minus.
            As for the facts ... and my "questions" ...
            After the Faculty of Physics, Leningrad University Zhdanov in 1985, I joined the IKI of the USSR Academy of Sciences and worked there for quite some time. Do you think I have a poor idea of ​​the situation?
            However, this is not the case. The main thing is to believe
            1. slipped
              slipped April 25 2020 22: 39 New
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              Quote: A.TOR
              and worked there for quite some time. Do you think I have a poor idea of ​​the situation?
              However, this is not the case. The main thing is to believe


              I think it’s bad, since you are no longer working there and not tasteful of what kind of work is being carried out there now. You can read the news on the subject on the website http://press.cosmos.ru/
    2. Bobrick
      Bobrick April 23 2020 23: 19 New
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      - Why does Russia need cosmonautics today and in the foreseeable future?

      Yes, at least for the prestige of the country, which will result in a very real profit for our goods.
      The country was able to send the AMS to Phobos and return soil samples to Earth, or to re-land a person on the moon - that means its scientists, engineers and workers are some of the best in the world, and this is a weighty argument when buying our goods from OTRK and helicopters to tractors and combines, both abroad and domestically.
      Only the money attracted to the country does not want to be considered space exploration (it’s tens or hundreds of millions of dollars that will remain in the country or will be imported and will go to expand production, these are new technologies in metallurgy, high-precision processing, etc. that will beat off any cash costs) for some reason, you need profit from the launch, delivery of astronauts for money, etc.