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The last battle of capitalism?

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Poster "Work Class" (photo from the website of the Moscow branch of the Communist Party)


It is difficult to say which of the global systems that seemed to be unshakable until this year was caused by the global pandemic COVID-19. Medicine and education, transport and industry, finance and markets - all this literally bursts at the seams, and in some places it is already collapsing. However, not everywhere ... The farther, the louder the voices of those who undertake to assert: the current test, which has befallen humanity, will be a sentence primarily of the bourgeois, capitalist structure - both economic and social. But is that so? Is the capitalist system fighting the last battle?

It would seem that at the current stage of the new “coronavirus” reality, everything is already very clear. The state with the smallest losses (human, social, economic) that went through the epidemic crisis was socialist China, where power is completely owned by the Communist Party. And this despite the fact that the first blow of the disease hit the country - sudden and crushing. It would be incorrect to say that Chinese doctors and managers entered into a fight with this disaster, being completely unprepared for it. The country at one time experienced an outbreak of SARS, in many ways similar to COVID-19.

On the other hand, in 2002-2003, not only the Celestial Empire faced this scourge. However, the rest of the countries (with the possible exception of Vietnam), apparently, did not draw any far-reaching conclusions from that epidemic and were completely unprepared for its repetition in an even worse version. Another question: could they do this in principle? Where purely market interests are at the forefront, where government regulation is lacking even in such critical areas as healthcare, the production of medicines and medical equipment, this is hardly realistic. Also, as it turned out, developed democracies do not contribute to many of the most important aspects of ensuring the security of citizens and the country.

The lack of planning, market freedoms, and much more than the modern world of victorious capitalism boasted of, suddenly turned out to be not good, but evil. Moreover, it was worth coming to the present tests, as it turned out that the whole social orientation of Western society, the liberal democratic values ​​declared by it, are nothing but a lie and a lie. Hundreds of millions of people around the world suddenly realized that in reality they have nothing but debts, loans, mortgages and a slave collar in the form of having to work hard daily for a piece of daily bread. The illusion of virtual wealth and virtual values ​​shattered to pieces when faced with forced quarantine.

People finally realized that living in a world without guarantees (without guaranteed medical care, benefits, or at least food ration at the time of the cataclysm, without guaranteed protection and help) is very scary. And deadly. But all this, in fact, can give a person only a socialist system. Not the parodies of him that were built by the richest countries of the West, today are the same as everyone who is bending from a pandemic, horrifiedly waiting for its economic and social consequences, but the real one, albeit with a rather peculiar model, can terrify the classics of Marxism- Leninism that exists in China.

So what? The world, having recovered from the pandemic and finding itself in the arms of a severe crisis and recession, will stand amid the red banners and set off to overthrow the exploiters in order to finally establish a society of true universal justice and security? Let's not rush. Firstly in stories humanity has already had a very, very similar period - a century ago. Then it survived the First World War, again the terrible epidemic of the “Spaniard” and had before its eyes the world's first socialist state - the USSR, from a certain point in time it was much more successful in dealing with the challenges than the capital countries surrounding it. So it was, especially from the moment the Great Depression swept the world. From the very same United States sought to get to our country, fleeing unemployment, poverty and starvation. Nevertheless, the collapse of the global capitalist system, the world revolution, about which the political opponents of Stalin so dreamed, did not happen.

The socialist camp was created only after the victory of the Soviet Union in the Great Patriotic War and thanks to this victory. Yes, and existed, by historical standards, he, alas, did not last long. We have to admit: the ideas and values ​​that underpin the world order are truly profitable, in fact, by some 1-2% of the world's population, are extremely tenacious. First of all, perhaps, because they appeal to the most, to put it mildly, mundane and, therefore, persistent human instincts. The cult of consumption, individualism, freedom, which is, in essence, a rejection of any moral principles and prohibitions ... What is there to hide, all this easily resonates with human souls.

We must not forget that the true creators and masters of the present world will by no means agree to give everything that has been acquired through the overwork of millions and billions of people who have been deceived by them. One hundred years ago, to destroy not only the first state on the planet of workers and peasants, but also the very idea that made it possible, they created their own version of socialism - with the prefix "national." How it all ended, we will never forget. What kind of monster can the global capitalist system mortally wounded by a pandemic bring about today, one can only guess. In the ruins, which seemed to some people a pastoral of post-industrial civilization, anything can arise.

In any case, capitalism as an economic and social system, as a social idea without a fight will certainly not give up. And this battle may be worse than the battle with the coronavirus. Will this fight be the last? You need to wait to draw conclusions.
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  1. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs April 23 2020 08: 29 New
    32
    Will the battle be the last? Yes, he will be constant, has been, is and will be.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 23 2020 08: 32 New
      64
      You can practice as much as you like in the rhetoric about the eternal antagonist ideologies, but as to the fact that some of the parties of the communist-socialist camp in Russia is capable of "leading into battle", I doubt very much ...

      Communist Party? Does someone seriously consider the party in its current form as a leader-fighter? And others? General disorder and reeling ...

      There is currently no consolidating communist party in Russia ..
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 23 2020 08: 51 New
        23
        Quote: Insurgent
        There is currently no consolidating communist party in Russia ..

        Forced to agree with you. Although this fact is regrettable. Socialists have been divided into many small cells and are taking advantage of this. A charismatic leader, ready for decisive action.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 23 2020 09: 41 New
          -12
          Quote: Svarog
          A charismatic leader can unite and unite, ready for decisive action.

          but from now on, Stirlitz. more details hi
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 22: 28 New
            -5
            Take and share.
        2. U-58
          U-58 April 23 2020 09: 58 New
          24
          The party is strong not combining with its own kind, but in mass numbers.
          Can you imagine that the communists and socialists of Russia are allowed to increase their ranks anyhow ?????
          I can’t.
          At the very first attempts, the repressive apparatus, the means of discredit (bank accounts, kilograms of gold, mistresses with left-wing children on the side, corruption cases) will work.
          Therefore, it is necessary to support and promote the communists "who are".
          Or, it is completely illegal to create cells in production, to study in political literacy, to call for the overthrow of the power of the bourgeoisie ..... that is, again, fall under repression and interfere with the media
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 23 2020 10: 22 New
            32
            Quote: U-58
            Therefore, it is necessary to support and promote the communists "who are".

            Counterproductive tactics.

            Quote: U-58
            Or, it is completely illegal to create cells in production, to study in political literacy, to call for the overthrow of the power of the bourgeoisie ..... that is, again, fall under repression and interfere with the media

            But didn't the Bolsheviks act like that?
            Do you know what the main problem of modern communists is? The fact that they are afraid to fall out of the "comfort zone" ...
            None of the current "revolutionaries" are ready to sacrifice themselves, go to hardships, hard labor and the scaffold, as the Leninist revolutionaries did.

            And since the speech in one way or another nevertheless turned to VIL, then it will not be superfluous to get acquainted with this:

            Quote: Colonel Cassad
            FOM conducted a survey on the attitude towards Lenin in Russia. The numbers came out a little less than that of Stalin (comrade Stalin in such polls collectively gains 5-7% more than Lenin), but nonetheless.

            The Russians stood up for the monuments to Vladimir Lenin - 83 percent of citizens have a negative attitude to their demolition. This was reported by Interfax with reference to the data of the Public Opinion Foundation.
            Only seven percent of Russians support the proposal to remove the leader’s monuments from squares and squares. 76 percent of citizens are negative about the idea of ​​renaming the streets and squares of Lenin, and 13 percent of Russians support such proposals.
            More than half of the citizens (56 percent) believe that Lenin had a positive impact on Russian history. As his merits, they call the elimination of illiteracy, free education and more. Those who believe that Lenin played a negative role in Russian history is only 20 percent. They cite civil war and civilian casualties as their arguments.

            https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/04/22/leninn/ - цинк

            How many years of propaganda, but still.

            We need more "Zuleikh", "Demons of the Revolution" and other wonderful opuses. To get out of the ears and all other places of the "creative elite". Although, as Stalin's example shows, this method does not work, or rather works, but in the other direction. But when the "creators" and their customers stopped it. Well, of course, when you see another sufferer demanding to demolish the monuments to Lenin and remove the Mausoleum somewhere in the stones, you have a representative of the shouting minority (except for those cases when this is an officer of the Ukrainian IPSO at work disseminating "advanced Ukrainian experience").

            The numbers themselves are by no means surprising. Even during the falsification of the "Name of Russia" competition at the end of the 5s, it was revealed empirically that Lenin is firmly in the top XNUMX figures in Russian history.


          2. atalef
            atalef April 23 2020 11: 00 New
            -9
            Quote: U-58
            The party is strong not combining with its own kind, but in mass numbers.

            herd.
            Quote: U-58
            Can you imagine that the communists and socialists of Russia are allowed to increase their ranks anyhow ?????

            to allow?
            And who needs permission to do this?
            Quote: U-58
            At the very first attempts, the repressive apparatus, means of discrediting (bank accounts, kilograms of gold, mistresses with left children on the side, stuck together corruption cases).
            you can explain your laziness with anything.
            Do you have all this, and your friends? - then unite.

            Quote: U-58
            for it’s completely unlawful to create cells in production,

            which means not legal. In Russia, the activities of parties are allowed without restrictions - unless of course an extremist or racist one.
            Quote: U-58
            that is, again, fall under repression and am tearing in the media

            were you scared in the media scared?
            1. U-58
              U-58 April 23 2020 18: 17 New
              +2
              And you are not engaged in Gaponovshchina?
              Hint that according to your hint, someone would become bolder, and make a revolution FOR YOU))))))))
          3. Private89
            Private89 April 23 2020 11: 54 New
            12
            If you look at the history of mankind on a wider scale: the transition from the primitive communal system to the slave system, then from the slave system to the feudal system and from the feudal system to the capitalist one, we can safely say that sooner or later, capitalism will be replaced by a new, more progressive system of communism, the wheel history cannot be stopped, you can try to slow it down, but the fact that when it was progressive in capitalism, what moved humanity forward, developed productive forces and social relations, today it has become fetters and a brake on the development of all mankind. And these shackles must be destroyed and they will be destroyed. And the fact that the USSR the first socialist state in world history has disappeared does not mean at all that a better world is not possible and will not come.

            As Lenin said: “We started this business. When exactly, in what time frame, the proletarians of which nation will bring this matter to an end, is an insignificant question. It’s significant that the ice is broken, that the path is open, the road is shown. ”
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 April 23 2020 13: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Private 89
              o capitalism will be replaced by a new, more progressive system of communism, the wheel of history cannot be stopped,

              did you play strategy in any strategy there always comes a moment of exhaustion of resources, and any development, except spiritual, stops ....
              1. Private89
                Private89 April 23 2020 17: 46 New
                +3
                From your post it is not clear what you do not agree with, do you deny the transition from one social formation to another?
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 April 23 2020 19: 49 New
                  +7
                  there is no "pure" socialism or capitalism. There are elements of this or that. This is how brigade contracting and cost accounting appeared in the USSR, elements of capitalism which, prior to Perestroika, caused a stratification of society and growing dissatisfaction with the country's governance. And in the United Arab Emirates, any young person can study at any educational institution in the world at the expense of the state, they will even pay his way - this is already an element of socialism! ... There is a point of view that Socialism is not an attitude to the type of property, but a system of social relations where the interests of society are put above personal ones. In such a society, for example in Sweden, a progressive scale of taxation is an element of socialism. for it serves the interests of society. In general, Socialism is a system for the survival of society when the individual is used to the maximum in the interests of society. when resources serve the same interests.
                  The ability to rally and educate public consciousness, build public relations, for the sake of the public good is the highest achievement of domestic politics. IMHO of course
                  I think it would be interesting for you to read about Karl Ballod, who proposed a transition to socialism without revolution. He very convincingly proved that socialism is 6 times !! wassat more effective than capitalism.
                  1. Hlavaty
                    Hlavaty April 24 2020 17: 49 New
                    +4
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    So in the USSR appeared a brigade row and cost accounting, elements of capitalism

                    This was probably one of the biggest mistakes of the leadership of the USSR: instead of developing the elements of communism, the elements of capitalism began to develop.
                    As if doctors did not fight the virus, but collaborated with it, the patient would die.
                    So the USSR died, because the leadership began to cooperate with the virus of capitalism, and not fight it.
                  2. Aag
                    Aag April 24 2020 20: 17 New
                    +1
                    Let me clarify: Calis Balodis ... hi
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 April 24 2020 20: 25 New
                      0
                      Quote: AAG
                      Calis Balodis ...

                      Well, if he is an ethnic Latvian, of course!
                      1. Aag
                        Aag April 24 2020 20: 56 New
                        0
                        Sorry, typo. CARLIS!
                        Yes, Latvian.
                  3. Private89
                    Private89 April 25 2020 07: 19 New
                    +4
                    It is not a matter of understanding that socialism is more beneficial for the majority; it is not beneficial to the current parasitic class of the super-rich minority, to which capitalism is beneficial. Remember the character from the Golden Calf, Koreyka, he stole a lot of money, but could not spend it under the socialist system, because the question would immediately have arisen, and from where exactly do you have it. It is capitalism that is profitable to such thieves, and such a person will never fight for the socialist system and ideals, rather, on the contrary, by the way, this is precisely why those who were members of the party and stole the people signed under a political article. Actually, therefore, I do not believe in a peaceful transition to socialism, a parasite cannot live differently except as a parasite on a healthy body. Look at the bright faces of the oligarchs, you believe that they voluntarily return everything that they plundered, I do not.
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 April 25 2020 11: 24 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Private 89
                      Look at the bright faces of the oligarchs, you believe that they voluntarily return everything that they plundered, I do not.

                      I completely agree with you .. but I believe that a revolution is impossible. In 17, everyone was armed, everyone hungry, the police disbanded, the army demoralized, but the idea of ​​universal equality and happiness hovered in the air. Now consciousness is poisoned by the virus of the ideology of consumption, that is, very individual happiness ...
                      1. Private89
                        Private89 April 25 2020 12: 08 New
                        +1
                        I think that power, and power is to blame for any revolution, will do everything possible to bring people to extreme need, it’s just that power by nature (they came in the 91st to rob this territory, which in itself does not imply development ) and when ordinary people are put in conditions either to go and die, or something to me, it is not difficult to assume that they will choose.
                      2. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 April 26 2020 06: 27 New
                        0
                        Quote: Private 89
                        when ordinary people are put in conditions or go and die,

                        smile The trouble is that you don’t have to go anywhere to die - self-isolation.
          4. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor April 24 2020 09: 18 New
            0
            "From slaveholding to feudal and from feudal to capitalist, we can safely say that sooner or later, capitalism will be replaced by a new, more progressive system of communism."

            And you can clarify, but where does such confidence come that it will come - communism? He already came once and eventually lost to capitalism .. And after Lenin’s words already .. No, I’m not against communism, if entrepreneurship is allowed for those who want without the Iron Curtain, I’m just wondering what your confidence is based on will be? socialism-perhaps communism-doubt it ..
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty April 24 2020 18: 02 New
              +3
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              And you can clarify, but where does such confidence come that it will come - communism? He already came once and as a result lost to capitalism ..

              Communism did not "come". Nowhere in the world has a communist society been built. There was a variant of socialism in the USSR. And then with a lot of distortions.
              And the fact that the USSR died does not refute the very idea of ​​a society of social justice. Scientists have discovered that even animals have a sense of justice. And the man, with his need for public morality, has nowhere to go.

              So the USSR is just one of the attempts to build a society of social justice. Not the first attempt, but obviously not the last.

              Whether this society will be called communism is not the point.
              An important trend: the Paris Commune lasted 70 days, the USSR lasted more than 70 years. The next attempt may stretch for centuries wink
            2. Private89
              Private89 April 25 2020 07: 51 New
              +1
              Communism was never built in the USSR, so I would not argue that it lost to capitalism, and the fact that the leadership of the USSR began to abandon the ideals of socialism and stopped moving towards communism since Khrushchev was a fact if you abandoned building half completed house, don’t be surprised that it didn’t work in it, or stopped fighting in a fight, and then wonder why it beat me half to death. The fact that since the time of Khrushchev began to ban private initiatives, which I must say was in the Stalinist USSR, the same artels, so yes. And before that, as it was the same Zhukovsky, he studied aircraft engineering and aerohydrodynamics, the Soviet government told him resources, people here, people working for you for the benefit of society and the motherland, TsAGI appeared, this support was a personal initiative. Why should communism come, if you want to call it differently, a society without classes or a society of equal opportunities, the essence will remain, I have not met in the history of mankind of the country that the country, relying on its own forces in the ring of hostile countries, made a breakthrough for a short historical period from plow to the star wing. Is this not an indicator of the correctness of the path!
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor April 25 2020 08: 43 New
                0
                I agree with Vladimir and with you, but .. In politics, basically, not very good people, aiming at profit .. And as a consequence .. The arrival of the system for the development of communism in any country is possible only through a revolution, otherwise they will not be allowed, then the probability is already small. If it even appears somewhere, the capitalists of the whole world will begin to put pressure on it unrealistically, it will be very difficult to withstand, the probability is still decreasing. Further, even if a stable power of real communists, and not yesterday's "politicians" is somehow established, they will begin to corrupt the people with "cookies", and after the above, there will be a complete collapse in the country, and the majority of people are on "cookies" well, very much the probability of success is greatly reduced. Well, plus to this, the RF is not RI, the initial conditions are much weaker. That is why I am talking about the fact that compared to 1917, now the probability of success is an order of magnitude less, and even then it was not very high.
                But, if we are talking about the prospect, then, for example, in 200 years, then yes, maybe it will be .. if the capitalist world really weakened .. But the question is, will it ever fall, because all the forces, means and propaganda of the whole world from the capitalists - it has several orders of magnitude more chances of resisting than the fact that communism will succeed in growing .. At the same time, we must also take into account that our "wild capitalism" is not "Western" capitalism .. Western ones are much more stable, there is a layer of those who do not want revolution -most of the population.
                In total, the likelihood of the formation of communism in our country is very small, and even less in the rest of the world. Personally, I don't believe in the chance to win the "million" lottery.
                And about the fact that the USSR before Khrushov was a truly historical miracle, of course I will not argue .. But you see for yourself, as a result, human nature, in a bad sense, ruined everything. Only 1 person I.V. Stalin left, and everything .. went to collapse .. that is, practice shows that the system was unstable, because it rested on 1 person .. How to avoid this .. it is unclear .. capitalism is more stable ..
                1. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty April 25 2020 09: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  The arrival of the system for the development of communism in any country is possible only through revolution, otherwise they will not be allowed, that is, the probability is already small. If he even appears somewhere, the capitalists of the whole world will start to unrealistically crush heavily, it will be very difficult to withstand, the probability is still decreasing.

                  This is the usual "normal" situation for a revolution, because building something new always meets strong resistance from the old. Well, humanity has already gone through this repeatedly. And still will pass - dialectics smile

                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  Total, the likelihood of the emergence of communism in our country is very small, and in the rest of the world even less

                  You have repeated so many times that there is no chance ... request
                  No one can fully assess someone's chances of changing humanity. There are many examples in history showing that sometimes the most insignificant forces achieved significant results. Remember the example of the apostles and missionaries - in those conditions they were "nobody" and they were called "no way", but what a result! fellow

                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  And about the fact that the USSR before Khrushov was a truly historical miracle, of course I will not argue .. But you see for yourself, as a result, human nature, in a bad sense, ruined everything.

                  So you indicated what you need to work with! And with what all the major global players work. The spiritual and moral development of man is the main condition for any changes.

                  Human minds and souls are the main battlefield.

                  The USSR did not bent because of the economy. Because they stopped educating people of the future. Those who were brought up in the first twenty years of Soviet power were "wasted" in wars with external and internal enemies. And the new ones were brought up by those who have already forgotten why they made the revolution. And these new ones, according to the program of the Communist Party adopted by Khrushchev, fought not for communism, but for "improving the material well-being of the Soviet people."
                  And if you look at today, you will see that the main efforts of the current authorities (both in the Russian Federation and in the West) are being made to degrade people. All this mass culture, LGBT people, the cult of money and success, manipulations of the mass consciousness, muddy experiments with drugs and genetics (aimed at destroying the physical nature of a person) and so on - all this is aimed at ensuring that people do not think, but obediently obey the commands (" all to the polls "," all to the Maidan "," everyone to stay at home ") ..

                  Because those who are in power understand that the next revolution is impossible without human development. So the surest way to put revolutions is to replace development with degradation.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 22: 49 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Hlavaty
                    The USSR was not bent because of the economy.

                    It was because of her that he died. And not to understand this means once again stepping on the old rake. It is necessary to educate a new person, no doubt. But if there is no corresponding economic basis, then there will be no support for this new person. They will simply be unprofitable.
                    Quote: Hlavaty
                    they fought not for communism, but for "improving the material well-being of the Soviet people."

                    In fact, improving the well-being of the people is one of the goals of communism.
                  2. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor April 27 2020 14: 08 New
                    +1
                    It is stupid to argue with the fact that "ideal communism" is an excellent, possibly the best society for a person .. As well as with the fact that most people are important (and the whole history of mankind) - their own well-being in the first place .. These factors, unfortunately mutually exclusive .. moreover, the "mercantile essence" of a person always wins in history in the end ..
                    Is it possible to build "ideal communism"? In theory, yes, but you must try to build all over the world at once, otherwise the attempt is doomed, due to the strongest external influence of capitalism and knocking the "developing" from the path of development .. Is a revolution possible all over the world at the same time? No.
                    That is why, unfortunately, "ideal communism" is a utopia .. At least at the present time .. But you can believe that the time will come .. In the meantime, live in conditions of "wild capitalism" and according to its laws ..
                  3. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 April 27 2020 14: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Hlavaty
                    "improving the material well-being of the Soviet people."

                    - fuller satisfaction of needs smile and satisfaction is already a capitalist category
                2. Private89
                  Private89 April 25 2020 11: 59 New
                  +2
                  The system under Stalin did not rest on one person; I can give the floor to the most supreme:
                  “There are about 70 members in our governing body, in the Central Committee of our party, which runs all our Soviet and party organizations. Among these 70 members of the Central Committee are our best industrialists, our best cooperators, our best suppliers, our best military, our best propagandists, our best agitators, our best experts on state farms, our best experts on collective farms, our best experts on individual peasant farming, our best experts nations of the Soviet Union and national politics.

                  The wisdom of our party is concentrated in this areopagus. Everyone has the opportunity to correct someone's sole opinion, proposal. Everyone has the opportunity to contribute their experience. If this had not happened, if decisions had been made individually, we would have had serious mistakes in our work. Since everyone has the opportunity to correct the mistakes of individuals, and since we reckon with these corrections, our decisions are more or less correct. ”

                  And about the degeneration of power:
                  “Our cadres need to have a good knowledge of Marxist economic theory.

                  The first, older generation of the Bolsheviks was theoretically savvy. We crammed Capital, outlined, argued, checked each other. That was our strength. It helped us a lot.

                  The second generation is less prepared. People were busy with practical work, construction. Marxism was studied through brochures.

                  The third generation is brought up on feuilleton and newspaper articles. They do not have deep knowledge. They need to be given food that is digestible. Most of them were brought up not on the study of the works of Marx and Lenin, but on citations.

                  If things go on like this, then people can degenerate. In America they argue: everything is decided by the dollar, why do we need a theory, why science? And in our country they can reason like this: why do we need “Capital” when we are building socialism. It threatens degradation, it is death. To avoid this even in particulars, it is necessary to raise the level of economic knowledge. ”

                  Whether better times will come depends on us, with this power the country just does not expect anything except degradation and extinction, and breaks where it is thin, even the genius Lenin did not assume that the king would be thrown off in February 17, so we'll wait and see.
                  1. Hlavaty
                    Hlavaty April 25 2020 20: 41 New
                    0
                    And the second quote is also from Stalin (about the generations of the Bolsheviks)?
                    1. Private89
                      Private89 April 29 2020 06: 19 New
                      0
                      Yes, Conversation I.V. Stalin
                      on issues of political economy. Record April 24, 1950
                      By the way, it’s not without a well-known textbook that became a classic. Political Economics 1953 Ostrovityanov, written with the direct participation of Stalin.
                  2. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor April 27 2020 14: 12 New
                    0
                    This is not only for Stalin .. Now, there is even a concept of "the problem of the third generation", when grandfathers create, fathers develop, and grandchildren lose .. On this problem, academic degrees are protected .. It is a human essence that is very difficult to overcome ..
        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 23 2020 13: 38 New
          +3
          Promote "what is" "--- you say U-58? What kind of communists were already after the death of Stalin. What happened then --- you know.
          I want to remind you that at the beginning of 1917 the number of RSDLP (B) was 24000. Moreover, there were many who were arrested. And then what happened? October 25-26. .
          1. U-58
            U-58 April 23 2020 18: 21 New
            +2
            And what began to happen?
            Not quite understanding your idea ..
        4. sniperino
          sniperino April 23 2020 15: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: U-58
          The party is strong not combining with its own kind, but by mass numbers
          The party is strong not in "mass numbers", but in the presence of an attractive ideology and social project, program. Having neither the one nor the other, only finished careerists can claim power. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has nothing of the kind, but its members, for the most part, do not even know about it, taking populist slogans and election promises of their party bosses for ideology and a program. The sad picture of the complete intellectual bankruptcy of the communists.
        5. AUL
          AUL April 24 2020 08: 41 New
          +3
          You know, I agree with your post on everything except the thesis
          Quote: U-58
          Therefore, it is necessary to support and promote the communists "who are".

          Nothing better than that!
      2. Machito
        Machito April 23 2020 11: 09 New
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Insurgent
        There is currently no consolidating communist party in Russia ..

        Forced to agree with you. Although this fact is regrettable. Socialists have been divided into many small cells and are taking advantage of this. A charismatic leader, ready for decisive action.

        Self-isolation, unemployment and hunger will bring people to the square. And there, leaders will appear, as in 1917. During the February Revolution, Lenin was a less significant figure than Navalny or Platoshkin.
        Is history developing in a spiral?
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 23 2020 13: 59 New
          +6
          Quote: Bearded
          Self-isolation, unemployment and hunger will bring people to the square.

          enough to prevent hunger in Moscow ... and it will be quiet
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 24 2020 13: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: Bearded
            Self-isolation, unemployment and hunger will bring people to the square.

            enough to prevent hunger in Moscow ... and it will be quiet

            Is not a fact. Vladikavkaz is an example of this.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 24 2020 14: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Bearded
          Self-isolation, unemployment and hunger will bring people to the square.

          workers and proletarians living in hostels, working in terrible conditions but with the bright idea of ​​equality, took to the streets. Now consumers, goods of services and information will take to the streets. Without an idea, without a clear plan, even an idea - what's next. Any agents of influence will promise the benefits of consumption and drank Russia as they please.
      3. Million
        Million April 23 2020 11: 27 New
        +5
        We need a second Lenin! He will be able to lead the people
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 24 2020 14: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Million
          We need a second Lenin! He will be able to lead the people

          In addition to Lenin, an analogue of the theory of the class struggle is needed, which, as time has shown, is incorrect, but helped to rally the people of labor and shoot the bourgeoisie! laughing
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 22: 58 New
          -1
          Quote: Million
          We need a second Lenin! He will be able to lead the people

          And even more people are needed who understand what Marxism is and who knows how to organize themselves. Who does not need a leader, like a shepherd of a herd of sheep.
      4. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru April 24 2020 13: 20 New
        +2
        Unites the ORDER IN THE HEADS, dear Svarog, but not leaders and parties. Those. they are needed, of course, but are secondary.
        How cute is our apocalyptic time? That ALL HAS ALREADY BEEN. Literally - ,, yesterday ,,. T.N. ,, capitalism ,, has already led Russia into a historical impasse. We must understand and remember that they are generally incompatible - Holy Russia and ,, system ,, - capitalism. Invented and built, by “ordinary nonhumans”, - by Satanists. The idea ,, system ,,, his motto: ,, Rights without duties ,,. I have the right to ride your hump, and you carry and shut up. These are two classes - an antagonist. People and ordinary nonhumans ,, (,, UFO ,,). People serve God, UFOs are Satan, people love their own kind, UFOs use people. For enrichment, for pleasure, for ... making soap and other perfumes. On ,, spare parts ,, for yourself, your beloved.
        They, these two classes, NEVER ,, hug, “do not ,, kiss each other.” How could they not do this, for example, those who were thrown into the well-known mine in Krasnodon and those who threw. In not so distant 1943.
        It is customary to SILENCE, they do not emphasize this. But it is the ORTHODOX country Russia that became the birthplace of the world's first SOCIALIST state. It is customary to hush up, they do not emphasize this. But both the founder of this state and the very first, most important builder of it, had a BASIC spiritual education. Formally, Stalin had no education at all except SPIRITUAL. He graduated from the Gori Theological College, he was not allowed to finish the Tiflis Theological Seminary ...
        Here you have the recipes, and here’s the cure for the imposed world madness.
        Recipes known since the XIX century: ,, ORTHODOXY, SELF-POWER, PEOPLE ,,. They said a little about Orthodoxy. ,, Autocracy ,, ... Who doesn’t understand that Stalin was in fact ,, the red emperor ,,? A strong SINGLE POWER of an intelligent MAN. What's bad about it? For a UFO, yes - deadly. For ,, bad people ,, - yes, it’s dangerous. ,, naughty ,, - ,, crouched ,,. For adequate people, in an adequate state, everything should be so.
        We choose the monarch as a whole people (technology allows) after a minimum of one year of discussion, after a television debate, on an alternative basis, ... a certain age, the candidates ... For a significant period, for example, of 20 years. And n-residents are needed by globalists. No wonder they at one time awarded this dubious post to the famous ,, guy ,, for the letter ,, g ,,.
        “Nationality” are the Leninist Soviets of People's Deputies. Similarly,! But Russia, thousands of years before Lenin, respected the opinion of the ,, circle ,,,, cathedral ,,, ,, assembly ,,. This is generally a SLAVIC priority - respect for the views of ALL. Vivid examples can be found in the history of not only Russia-Russia, but also, for example, Poland.
        Deal with this?
        Move on. ,, Red ,, UFO. Stalin called a certain part of them ,, Trotskyists ,,. And there is nothing good there! And ,, Tukhachev’s ,,, and ,, Khrushchev’s ,,, and ,, Gorbachev’s ,, ... This is this, “gang-brethren,” dragged a pentagram to the Kremlin, a symbol of the Antichrist, a symbol of Satanists.
        Aren't you surprised by the same emblem on Soviet airplanes, airplanes of the Republic of Kazakhstan (,, Capitalist Russia ,,) and on US planes? What is this talking about? UFOs are the same, internationalists, and their hydrogen sulfide, darling, is happy to spread everywhere. On any continents, in any countries, classes, in any political parties. And you need to show wisdom and rigidity to protect against them.
        If it's short.
        ... The abbreviation is good - ,, PPP ,, - ,, Orthodoxy + socialism ,,. And the usual Soviet PPP as an emblem. Will such an option fit?
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 24 2020 14: 14 New
          +1
          +++++ Stalin is the successor of the work of Jesus Christ !!! the builder of the kingdom of God on earth! good Did I understand you correctly??? smile
        2. Carnifexx
          Carnifexx April 26 2020 16: 37 New
          -1
          Star (pentagram) in shock
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 23 2020 09: 00 New
      26
      Quote: Insurgent
      There is currently no consolidating communist party in Russia ..

      In February 1917, many also thought so, but only half a year passed and it turned out that there was a revolutionary party and an ideology. By the way, it was not for nothing that they said in the USSR “Lenin lived, Lenin is alive, Lenin will live” and these are not simple words, because what Lenin did during his lifetime is a small part of what his teaching did to change the world order after his death.
      So, here is a leader for you and he is a party.

      "... without help from the outside, we will not become discouraged, we will not shout the guard,
      we will not give up our work and we will not be afraid of difficulties. Who's tired, who's scared
      difficulties who lose their heads - let them give way to those who have retained courage
      and hardness. We are not one of those who are afraid of difficulties. That's what the Bolsheviks are, on
      then we got the Lenin hardening, so as not to avoid, but to go towards
      difficulties and overcome them. "
      V.I. Stalin. ("XIV Congress of the CPSU (b)" v. 7, page 349.)
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 23 2020 09: 10 New
        15
        Quote: Malyuta
        In February 1917, many also thought so, but only six months passed and it turned out that there was a revolutionary party and ideology.

        I know this thesis yes : "There is such a party!".

        But that was in 1917, and now you can so confidently declare any of the many parties and movements of Russia NOW?

        So that for me, and the rest, it became clear that yes, such a party exists, and you can follow it.

        Can you

        And do not forget, the October Socialist, was preceded by the February bourgeois, and the WWI ...
        Of course, one can now mean coronovirus under the influence of PMV on Russia, but the comparison is so-so.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta April 23 2020 09: 39 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          So that it would be clear to me, and to the rest, that yes, such a party exists, and you can follow it

          See what happens, you wait for someone to create a party, then discussions will begin on the topic of whether it is right or wrong, and so on. Ask yourself, what is an ideology or a party ahead? But Lenin said that “Revolutions are never born ready, they don’t leave Jupiter’s head, they don’t flare up right away. They are always preceded by a process of fermentation, crises, movements, indignation, the beginning of a revolution, and this beginning does not always develop to the end (for example, if the revolutionary class is weak). ” V.I. Lenin vol. 27.
          If you think that there are no parties on the horizon, unite around Lenin, he outlined all the algorithms for action before, on time and after. hi
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 23 2020 09: 47 New
            +7
            Quote: Malyuta
            If you think that there are no parties on the horizon, unite around Lenin, he outlined all the algorithms for action before, on time and after.

            Stand in crowds near the Mausoleum and mutter mantras: "Come, the leader!", "Rise the leader!" - so what?

            With ideology, "instructions for use", everything is fine yes but with the tangible, not mythical figure of an ascetic leader, able to rally the masses of like-minded people around him - AMBUSH.

            Through the storms, the sun of freedom shone,
            And Lenin gave us a great path:
            On a just cause, he raised the nations,
            We were inspired by work and deeds!


            Who do you consider to be a modern inspirer capable of leading the masses?
            1. U-58
              U-58 April 23 2020 10: 15 New
              0
              Well, let's start by electing a president from the national-patriotic forces.
              We will choose lawfully and honestly.
              Such a popular message FOR THE BEGINNING is sufficient. And without underground, revolutions and upheavals.
            2. Malyuta
              Malyuta April 23 2020 10: 22 New
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              Quote: Insurgent
              Stand in crowds near the Mausoleum and mutter mantras: "Come, the leader!", "Rise the leader!" - so what?

              You don’t want to hear? Answer, who raised the people to the barricades in 1905, Lenin? Most of them do so, sit and wait for the very mission, which will come and organize all, hold a party meeting and lead to a brighter future. And if he doesn’t come, that same rider will take it and will not gallop along and shout “Hey, get up, who else is left”, then, in your opinion, you need to voice oh-oh, there is no party, there is no leader. And in this case, you can be sure, the leader They will come up with something for you, well, they will blind you from what happened, come up with a legend, spin around a zombie box for a couple of months and voila, here's a new scare for you.
              Remember, Comrade, no one will do anything for you!
              I remind you, just in case, of the first anthem of the USSR: No one will give us deliverance: Neither God, nor king, nor hero. We will achieve liberation with our own hand.
              Listen and think on a drsug soldier
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent April 23 2020 10: 26 New
                +8
                Quote: Malyuta
                Listen and think on a drsug

                "Internationale" - the party anthem of the CPSU (b) and the CPSU, as well as the anthem of the USSR until 1943, I know BY HEART yes .
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta April 23 2020 10: 36 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  "Internationale" is the party anthem of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and the CPSU, as well as the anthem of the USSR until 1943, I know BY KNOW ...

                  Fine! It remains only to think about the content wink
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent April 23 2020 10: 41 New
                    13
                    Quote: Malyuta
                    Fine! It remains only to think about the content

                    And with an understanding of the content, everything is fine, BUT ...
                    I myself am not a leader on the scale of Lenin (as millions of other people actually), or Stalin, and I need a landmark, support, leader ...
                    But I don’t see this in the Russian Federation No. request .

                    Theory, without practice, is nothing.
                    1. Malyuta
                      Malyuta April 23 2020 11: 05 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Insurgent
                      I myself am not a leader on the scale of Lenin (as millions of other people actually), or Stalin, and I need a landmark, support, leader ...
                      But I don’t see this in the Russian Federation

                      Are you sure that Yeshua or Volodya Ulyanov thought in life about their global scale and significance?
                      Quote: Insurgent
                      But I don’t see this in the Russian Federation

                      You just need to turn on the light good Once again, one has not been on Earth for almost 2000 years, the second is almost 100, but people use their teachings.
                      Quote: Insurgent
                      Theory, without practice, is nothing.

                      They gave you a THEORY and 70 years of practice, and at PRACTICE they showed what to do and what it was undesirable to do!
                      What else do you want ?????
                    2. Insurgent
                      Insurgent April 23 2020 11: 07 New
                      +9
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      What else do you want ?????

                      To finally appear in the vastness of Russia such a party fellow
                      A party capable of involving the masses, rallying and leading them. The party is responsible and decisive.

                      You don’t know if anyone is creating it?
                    3. U-58
                      U-58 April 23 2020 18: 44 New
                      0
                      Well, so you and your kind will create such a party. They will put at the head of someone a thread such as Poklonskaya, popular in some places. They will decrypt on TV about its decisive and progressive differences from the "Only Russia".
                      And you all will follow her together. For the party. Or Poklonskaya)))))))
                      For you will see everything for yourself, they will help you a lot. You are waiting to be led
              2. sniperino
                sniperino April 23 2020 15: 32 New
                -3
                Quote: Malyuta
                Quote: Insurgent
                "Internationale" is the party anthem of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and the CPSU, as well as the anthem of the USSR until 1943, I know BY KNOW ...
                Fine! It remains only to think about the content
                And over the consequences.
                ... at first every evening, singing, then pipes will freeze in toilets ...
                (C)
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor April 24 2020 09: 29 New
        +1
        Those Bolsheviks were conducting underground work, they were imprisoned for ideas; it follows that for an idea they were ready for a lot and there was a revolutionary class ready to lead people ..
        And the current ones? they are not even the opposition as such .. they can’t even be called a likeness .. a miserable shadow
  2. kalibr
    kalibr April 23 2020 10: 30 New
    +5
    Dear "Malyuta"! You read my commentary on the article on propaganda ... And I was interested in both the topic and its discussion. And since I did all this in practice and wrote 7 textbooks, two of which were published in Germany, then, I think, you and others will be interested in the material on how today some people use information to control others. Everything has really changed ... So again I hope that when the material comes out, you will read it and this ... will give you food for thought.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 23 2020 10: 35 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      Dear "Malyuta"! You read my commentary on the article on propaganda ... And I was interested in both the topic and its discussion. And since I did all this in practice and wrote 7 textbooks, two of which were published in Germany, then, I think, you and others will be interested in the material on how today some people use information to control others. Everything has really changed ... So again I hope that when the material comes out, you will read it and this ... will give you food for thought.

      1. kalibr
        kalibr April 23 2020 10: 59 New
        -1
        Your comment, Insurgent, is an example of the need for such an article. Because this is not advertising, but PR! Big difference!
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 23 2020 11: 04 New
          11
          Quote: kalibr
          this is not advertising, but PR! Big difference!

          To call advertising - public relations (PR), the move to avoid conflict with the rules of the site?

          Cunningly yes ... But the "white threads" are too obvious ...
          1. kalibr
            kalibr April 23 2020 11: 55 New
            -3
            This is not a move, but an explanation. I have taught PR and advertising at the university since 1995 and I know the difference very well. You don't know, what can I do?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 23 2020 12: 00 New
              15
              Quote: kalibr
              I have taught PR and advertising at the university since 1995.

              Well yes taught, PR specialists - a dime a dozen, and creators, in the afternoon not to be found with fire ...
              Quote: kalibr
              You don't know, what can I do?

              Not sure argument No.
              1. kalibr
                kalibr April 23 2020 13: 33 New
                -2
                The argument of what? What you do not know, but write? This is a mass phenomenon. To rivet the cakes, to the child in the sandbox, and here he writes illiterate comments.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent April 23 2020 13: 46 New
                  16
                  Quote: kalibr
                  The argument of what? What you do not know, but write? This is a mass phenomenon. To rivet the cakes, to the child in the sandbox, and here he writes illiterate comments.

                  Why are you so twitchy? Nerves, not to hell ... I understand yes These students, whoever you want, will lead to a teak belay

                  But slide down to personalities No. ... The use of the "shkolota" stamp in a conversation does not paint you as a teacher who is "by default" must being human educated and intelligent.
                2. kalibr
                  kalibr April 23 2020 15: 40 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  The use of the "shkolota" stamp in conversation

                  Did I write that? And secondly, I've been retired for three years
                3. Insurgent
                  Insurgent April 23 2020 15: 49 New
                  10
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Did I write that?

                  Do you consider those around you, and specifically me, fools? How else can you evaluate your answer differently? Tell me ...
                  Quote: kalibr
                  To rivet the cakes, to the child in the sandbox, and here he writes illiterate comments.


                  Quote: kalibr
                  And secondly, I've been retired for three years


                  However, the habit of learning (teaching) has not disappeared. yes
                4. kalibr
                  kalibr April 23 2020 15: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  However, the habit of learning (teaching) has not disappeared.

                  People who know more than others should help those who know less. Is not it?
                5. Insurgent
                  Insurgent April 23 2020 15: 58 New
                  13
                  Quote: kalibr
                  People who know more than others should help those who know less. Is not it?

                  Of course, if it is not intrusive, intrusive, without rudeness, and is perceived favorably by the opponent ...

                  And I asked you to tell how you yourself perceive your comment (but you preferred to remain silent, "not to notice"):
                  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????
                  Quote: kalibr
                  To rivet the cakes, to the child in the sandbox, and here he writes illiterate comments.
                6. kalibr
                  kalibr April 23 2020 16: 02 New
                  0
                  I unobtrusively wrote to you that what you called advertising is not advertising. That's all ... and away we go. We wrote you the truth. And don't talk about supportive opponents. Slightly against the grain and away we go ... "they taught, PR people were a dime a dozen, and creators, in the daytime with fire, can not be found ..." This is why you had to write, what did it have to do with the case?
                7. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid April 23 2020 19: 32 New
                  +1
                  ...... I asked to tell ...... preferred to remain silent, not to notice .....
                  believe me, dear InsurgentThis is not the worst option. Miss. There were much different answers .. Like ---- I am not obliged, or I have to do what they pay for.
                  And here you are, suddenly it’s so lucky to receive mezzanine teachings .......
                8. Insurgent
                  Insurgent April 24 2020 07: 40 New
                  10
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  believe me, dear Insurgent, this is not the worst option. Miss. The answers were much different ..

                  Answers, comments - ugh, husk! This, if I may say so, an ex-teacher, in one of his articles took up the argument "Fascism is not Nazism" ...
                  https://topwar.ru/170084-gazeta-pravda-1933-goda-o-fashizme-i-fashistah.html#comment-id-10343883
                  The newspaper "Pravda" of 1933 on fascism and fascists
                  Quote: from article
                  We at VO have people who believe that German Nazism and Italian fascism are “things” that are somewhat different from each other. And yes, indeed, the way it is!


                  ============================================
                  But German anti-fascists did not think so (my answer):


                  Quote: Learn Colonel Cassad
                  On the topic of fabrications "But in Germany there was no fascism, there was Nazism, and there was fascism in Italy, and in general, fascism in Germany was invented by Soviet propaganda."
                  Pictured is the Karl Liebknecht House, the headquarters of the Communist Party of Germany since 1926. Caption: “Go for anti-fascist actions against war, hunger and fascism. Vote for the Communists. Vote for the KKE. CNG - list number 3 ".
                  The German Communist Party of the times of the Weimar Republic apparently was not aware that there was no fascism in Germany.


                  ================================================== =====
                  Here it is, it doesn’t climb into any gates, the gates on which you need to hang all the Nazis like mad dogs ...

                  And he has a "separation" into "fascists and not fascists." What's next ?

                  To find out if this is ideological stupidity, or a life position, beliefs?
                9. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid April 24 2020 08: 45 New
                  0
                  Many articles. Everything is visible. And this and other interesting.
                  A man boasted of his food more than once. Also, porcelain teeth, however, I am not familiar with all articles and comments. I won’t open for a long time
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 23 2020 19: 22 New
          +1
          ..... the habit of teaching (teaching) has not gone anywhere .....
          These are dreams of teaching, in my opinion.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 23 2020 13: 47 New
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    This is not a move, but an explanation. I have taught PR and advertising at the university since 1995 and I know the difference very well. You don't know, what can I do?

    Yes, of course you can't drape yourself. Write again, as yesterday
    ...... I like to breed you on clicks .....
    , like it was? I tried to write there, but I said before that after 200 comments, it freezes me.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta April 23 2020 10: 55 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    You will read it and this ... will give you food for thought.

    Thanks, read. hi
    I also want to give you food for thought. Remember at the end of 80 on TV appeared kashpirovy with Chumak and a multi-billion dollar country began to charge three-liter cans of water from the TV? This was a crash test for mass zombies of the population.
    By the way, many still charge, by the way, an evening M. costume. Doesn't it remind you of anything?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr April 23 2020 11: 00 New
      -4
      Quote: Malyuta
      Remember at the end of 80 on the TV appeared kashpirovy with Chumak and a multi-billion dollar country began to charge three-liter cans of water from the TV? This was a crash test for mass zombies of the population.

      It’s very good that you recalled. Why am I always writing about 80% and 20%?
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi April 23 2020 10: 41 New
    14
    Quote: Malyuta
    In February 1917, many also thought so, but only six months passed and it turned out that there was a revolutionary party and ideology.

    And February 17, more precisely February-October 17, is almost a complete tracing-paper from the picture outside the window. More precisely, not so. What is happening now, a copy of what is happening then. With only one minor difference. The crisis was a little deeper then. In principle, if a separate peace were signed in March-April, most likely there would be no October. But .... The crisis was growing, and the ability of the new rulers as it did not increase. How many were there, those same Bolsheviks in the fall of 1917? In fact, the population of the modern district center, from the category of those that are smaller. The popularity of their leaders is about the same. Just complete paralysis of power, and the desire to pick up this power. It is to pick up, not to seize by force, but to pick up, like an alcoholic-loved wallet. Here, world-wide fame is not necessary, nor is it all-Russian. Courage, arrogance and a bit of mind, with a couple of thousands of desperate, and all ready-made comrades-in-arms.
    Everything is going slower here. And this is natural. Yet, so far, not the depth of the priest, as then. And the rest ... The process is in progress. Local kings are already beginning to teach the center how to clean their boots. When they will send the center in general, and Mr. Putin in particular, in plain text, it is a matter of time.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 23 2020 11: 19 New
      +8
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Everything is going slower here.

      I do not agree, everything is going much faster. Millennia have passed since the first slave revolts before the Socialist Revolution, and we are only 91 years from the counterrevolution of the 30st, and our brains are already starting to turn on. And in connection with the circumstances, the process will accelerate.
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      With only one minor distinction

      There are no differences, there are nuances, but there can be no complete tracing paper. Now the situation looks even somewhat parodic, try to compare the "leaders", then against the background of the current one looks even more preferable, he did not even have a bunker, poor fellow and rogue, although with a pedigree and pride.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 April 23 2020 14: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: Malyuta
    In February 1917, many also thought so, but only six months passed and it turned out that there was a revolutionary party and ideology.

    do not forget that from the beginning of the 20th century Marx was very popular. Popularly popular, there were circles to study his teachings, including in the working environment. Now people are united by social networks. Turn them off and people are disconnected. There is no clear idea either ...
  • tatra
    tatra April 23 2020 09: 25 New
    +6
    But because the enemies of the Communists will not allow this. Why do they poison and rob Grudinin for 2 years? And because they saw him rapidly growing in popularity with the patriots of Russia.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 23 2020 09: 35 New
      12
      Quote: tatra
      But because the enemies of the Communists will not allow this. Why do they poison and rob Grudinin for 2 years? And because they saw him rapidly growing in popularity with the patriots of Russia.

      What is stopping Comrade Grudinin from going underground, underground, as the Bolshevik revolutionaries did, and from there leading the party, the uprising, and even the bald one?

      And he is not a revolutionary ... Rather, the role of Savva Morozov, the sponsor of the revolution, would suit him ...
      1. U-58
        U-58 April 23 2020 18: 56 New
        +6
        Again your Gaponism.
        Grudinin:
        a) not a communist
        b) not a revolutionary
        c) obviously not d * y * p * a * k *, to go underground at your command
        d) a business executive whose experience is incommensurably greater than that of a not very successful intelligence officer, who was withdrawn for lack of demand in the current reserve.
        For one was engaged in diesel fuel, manure, spare parts, fertilizers, repairs, construction, sowing, harvesting, and the second in the beer type recruiting agents ...
    2. atalef
      atalef April 23 2020 09: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: tatra
      But because the enemies of the communists will not allow this.

      shitty dancer - always something bothers
      Quote: tatra
      Why do they poison and rob Grudinin for 2 years?

      because you, the Newcommune, have never even come to a rally and gathered something substantial to protect it.
      Quote: tatra
      And because they saw him rapidly growing in popularity with the patriots of Russia.

      and where are these patriots?
      something you can’t see - neither on the barricades, nor near them.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr April 23 2020 10: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        something you can’t see - neither on the barricades, nor near them.

        They, Alexander, are afraid of six-barreled machine guns, a burst of which cuts a person in half. Lenin has an excellent article "Lessons from the Moscow Uprising", so compare the technique he wrote about and what the state has now, + experience, + knowledge ... So they don't want to get involved with this. Plato you are my friend, but your own s ... - dear!
      2. tatra
        tatra April 23 2020 11: 30 New
        +5
        The enemies of the communists always cowardly and cowardly blame others for what you yourself have done. I wrote that you WAS SCARED Grudinin when you saw his rapidly growing popularity among patriots of Russia, for which the enemies of the Communists have been hounding and robbing him for 2 years, and as a "model court" - that it would be discouraging for others to try to unite Russian patriots they did not have a leader, and the enemies of the communists had enough intellect and mentality only for raging against the communists and their supporters.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino April 23 2020 15: 54 New
          -2
          Quote: tatra
          you Frightened Grudinin when you saw his rapidly growing popularity among the patriots of Russia
          The "patriots" are more like a column of slaves from the times of the decline of the Roman Empire, who follow a large landowner (latifundist, in their language) and chant "Long live feudalism, our bright future! (PR it, in our opinion)
        2. Carnifexx
          Carnifexx April 24 2020 22: 41 New
          -1
          You, I apologize, believe that Grudinin is a communist?
    3. CSKA
      CSKA April 23 2020 11: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: tatra
      Why do they poison and rob Grudinin for 2 years? And because they saw him rapidly growing in popularity with the patriots of Russia.

      Che there didn’t tell him? Yeah, it's growing right. Directly gathers millions of rallies.))))))
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ April 23 2020 13: 26 New
        +5
        His farm is being destroyed - the strawberry plantations of his state farm occupy very good building land. By the way, last year there were no strawberries in the suburbs - competitors from Israel rejoice.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA April 24 2020 14: 36 New
          -1
          Quote: Aviator_
          His farm is being destroyed - the strawberry plantations of his state farm occupy very good building land.

          So more specifically what land was taken from him?
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ April 24 2020 14: 45 New
            +1
            His farm is close to the Moscow Ring Road, on the territory of the farm there are farmland, where he is very cost-effective farming, building communism for his employees. More specifically about the land - take a look in the internet, if you go to the Kashirsky highway through Molokovo, there were strawberry fields on the left. The territory of the residential village - immediately beyond Kashirskoye Highway close to the Moscow Ring Road. Selected with the help of his ex-wife, as you know, an evil abandoned woman is capable of much. There is a hook trial. His employees stand for him, they understand that without Grudinin they will lose everything at once and find themselves in Russian capitalism. The land has not yet been taken, but they are not allowed to be used. There is a war of attrition.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA April 27 2020 13: 51 New
              0
              Quote: Aviator_
              Selected with the help of his ex-wife, as you know, an evil abandoned woman is capable of much.

              In your opinion, she should not have received anything after the divorce? Do you not consider the rest of the plaintiffs?
              Quote: Aviator_
              His employees stand for him.

              His former employees sue him.
              Quote: Aviator_
              and find themselves in Russian capitalism.

              They still live in it.
              Quote: Aviator_
              The land has not yet been taken, but they are not allowed to be used. There is a war of attrition.

              At the end of April, the Vidnovsky City Court of the Moscow Region granted the claims of Irina Grudinina and transferred to her two-thirds of the share in the common property with the ex-spouse, including 42% of all shares of the state farm.
              Quote: Aviator_
              building communism for its employees.

              lol Is it on his state farm that everything is in public ownership, do not use money and there is no division of society into social classes?
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ April 27 2020 13: 58 New
                0
                and transferred to her two-thirds of the share in the common property with the ex-spouse, including 42% of all shares of the state farm

                I have no doubt that in the premises of the Vidnovsky City Court, the electric meter repeatedly changed its testimony. This is sad. There will be no more strawberries.
                Is it on his state farm that everything is in public ownership, do not use money and there is no division of society into social classes?

                You would have given Khrushchev’s definition of communism here. I have no doubt that most of the social programs within the state farm were provided without money. Now this will end if the higher court does not reverse the decision. War of attrition. In any case, the strawberries near Moscow end, there will only be Jewish plastic.
    4. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 23 2020 21: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: tatra
      But because the enemies of the Communists will not allow this. Why do they poison and rob Grudinin for 2 years? And because they saw him rapidly growing in popularity with the patriots of Russia.

      Is Putin not a patriot of Russia? Yes, he loves her more than all of us - he is the king in her, he has nowhere else to be king, he has no choice. Or maybe it's not about patriotism?
      1. AUL
        AUL April 24 2020 09: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: Doliva63
        Is Putin not a patriot of Russia? Yes, he loves her more than all of us

        ... as they love a cash cow while she gives milk. And when it stops - so under her knife!
    5. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 05 New
      -2
      You decided to make people laugh with your stories about the fiery revolutionary sternin?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 23 2020 09: 29 New
    +6
    Quote: Insurgent
    Communist Party? Does someone seriously consider the party in its current form as a leader-fighter? And others? General disorder and reeling ...

    Something like this. In 1917, the Bolsheviks were "tigers" who simply crushed all the petty-bourgeois parties, in 1941 they were also "tigers", and in 1991 the communists were already small tame dogs. Now there is no such party as in 1917 that could take power into its own hands and lead the country out of a "flat tailspin".
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO April 23 2020 09: 47 New
      11
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Insurgent
      Communist Party? Does someone seriously consider the party in its current form as a leader-fighter? And others? General disorder and reeling ...

      Something like this. In 1917, the Bolsheviks were "tigers" who simply crushed all the petty-bourgeois parties, in 1941 they were also "tigers", and in 1991 the communists were already small tame dogs. Now there is no such party as in 1917 that could take power into its own hands and lead the country out of a "flat tailspin".

      Well, you certainly know better from Estonia)) I look here so many naive, eager to see fighting tigers as registered(among the bourgeoisie wassat ) parties participating in elections and other bourgeois crap. lol You will see more, but not in the elections. wink Everything has its time! hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 23 2020 13: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        You will see more, but not in the elections. Everything has its time!

        I would like to see.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 23 2020 13: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        Well, you certainly know better from Estonia)

        Honestly, I don’t know, I’ve lived in Estonia for no more than 52 years from 10 years old, and what’s being done there, I don’t really care, it’s their life, I don’t go to the polls, because I don’t have their citizenship, and the people there are people doesn't elect. They don’t touch me, and I don’t touch them either.
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 23 2020 09: 31 New
    +3
    In fact, there is no worthy leader.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 23 2020 09: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Campanella
      In fact, there is no worthy leader.

      there are few real violent ones - here there are no leaders.
  • Corundum
    Corundum April 23 2020 10: 14 New
    -11
    Antagonism itself is a fiction. The Communists need an enemy, that's what they are looking for. The USSR itself as a failed experiment.
    What is better and what is worse is precisely the supporters of socialism that always raise the topic, and the other side just works and polishes itself.
    It’s here we are taking up former scoops. my friends abroad even hardly remember Lenin, and all the more they don’t remember his birthday ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 23 2020 13: 57 New
      +7
      ............... USSR failed experiment ......
      This is not a failure, but an outstanding experiment. Capitalism fought for its spread and established itself thoroughly after about 300 years. All the while, capitalism gained experience, fought and subjugated, and destroyed countries.
      The very fact of the USSR is a huge achievement. Victory in the Second World War ---- Victory of the USSR
      1. Corundum
        Corundum April 23 2020 14: 07 New
        -1
        Capitalism is a natural process of improving mankind, no one introduced it; it appeared in the process of evolution of mankind.
        If the USSR were competitive, it would be alive now. And so this is not a good experience.
        And WWII has nothing to do with it. I mean that the Second World War has nothing to do with the ideology of the USSR. WWII could not be. Although the Second World War agrees this is for the USSR Victory. But the world is much larger than the USSR and complete victory was important for the World. Victory in the Second World War ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 23 2020 14: 16 New
          +3
          People defended precisely the just new socialist system. At that time, those who lived under the king were still alive.
          Quote: Corundum
          Capitalism is a natural process of improving mankind, no one introduced it; it appeared in the process of evolution of mankind.
          If the USSR were competitive, it would be alive now. And so this is not a good experience.
          And WWII has nothing to do with it. I mean that the Second World War has nothing to do with the ideology of the USSR. WWII could not be. Although the Second World War agrees this is for the USSR Victory. But the world is much larger than the USSR and complete victory was important for the World. Victory in the Second World War ...
          1. Corundum
            Corundum April 23 2020 19: 30 New
            -1
            Enough for you to live fantasies. Thousands defectors fled to the Germans. From the Germans, units ..
            The Germans in the service of one and a half million heavis. And Vlasov, Krasnov? The eyes must be opened wider. otherwise they undertook to rewrite history. The victory in the Second World War was not a walk for a beer but a survival war.
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor April 24 2020 09: 44 New
            -1
            People defended their homeland in the first place, and not the system .. And then, according to your logic, suddenly now the war is going to protect the system too, those who go to it?
      2. kalibr
        kalibr April 23 2020 15: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Victory in the Second World War ---- Victory of the USSR

        Like defeat in the Cold War
        1. U-58
          U-58 April 23 2020 19: 09 New
          +6
          And when did the defeat in the Cold War happen and what was it expressed?
          This war is somehow unobtrusively blazing now.
          Moreover, the advance of the Soviet Union was much more preferable than the current situation in Russia, which only the lazy did not kick in the last 10 years. Moreover, with complete impunity.
          Including all sorts of Estonia, Slovakia, Little Russia, and Sandy Arabia
  • pv1005
    pv1005 April 23 2020 10: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Insurgent
    There is currently no consolidating communist party in Russia ..

    There is no consolidating.
  • Lelek
    Lelek April 23 2020 12: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Insurgent
    There is currently no consolidating communist party in Russia ..

    hi
    All the ardent sculptors of the communist system in the USSR for some reason (it is clear to the hedgehog) ended up after the collapse of the state in "Britain", "America" ​​and other "Europe". It seems that not because of the great love for the Motherland, but for the wealth "communed" in it. Consequently, in the ranks of opponents of the Leninist-Stalinist-Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Gorbachev precepts, former party-Komsomol bosses arrived, burying their unnecessary party cards. But they don't like traitors, apostates and schismatics anywhere, and under certain circumstances they try to get rid of them. A striking example of the latter is the actions of the "Englishwoman" who siphoned off the funds of thousands of Russian dissidents:
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 23 2020 14: 03 New
      0
      When the corrupt representatives of the USSR leadership began to dream of living in the West, they thought of becoming equal to the Western oligarchs. Why? Because they were perceived as representatives of the USSR, with respect, but they did not understand this, they considered themselves necessary.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta April 23 2020 08: 34 New
    18
    Quote: Alex Nevs
    Will the battle be the last? Yes, he will be constant, has been, is and will be.

    Nobody has canceled the class struggle, just like the dialectical development of society.
    "There has never been and never will be that moribund classes voluntarily surrender
    their positions, not trying to organize resistance. It never happened and never will be
    in order to advance the working class towards socialism in a class society
    could do without struggle and anxiety. On the contrary, advancing towards socialism
    cannot but lead to the resistance of the exploiting elements to this
    advancement, and the resistance of the exploiters cannot but lead to the inevitable
    exacerbation of the class struggle.
    That is why it is impossible to lull the working class with talk of secondary
    the role of the class struggle. "
    ("On industrialization and the grain problem" v.11 p.171.)
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs April 23 2020 08: 37 New
      -15
      The spiral of development - the Communist Party of the Soviet Union "got sick", get the 90s - and again the "wild jungle". Then it was Again! nationalization, and again the goal of "ala the Communist Party". The only GDP will not physically be able to follow EVERYTHING and make decisions for EVERYONE.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir April 23 2020 08: 50 New
        13
        Physically unable to track
        Is the Gross Domestic Product created for him to follow something.?
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta April 23 2020 09: 03 New
          17
          Quote: Gardamir
          Is the Gross Domestic Product created for him to follow something.?

          In our case, for theft.
      2. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 April 23 2020 09: 10 New
        15
        Quote: Alex Nevs
        The spiral of development - the Communist Party of the Soviet Union "got sick", get the 90s - and again the "wild jungle". Then it was Again! nationalization, and again the goal of "ala the Communist Party". The only GDP will not physically be able to follow EVERYTHING and make decisions for EVERYONE.

        Yes, the GDP already at least made decisions for itself. And then lately it is no longer clear who rules in the country, transferred presidential powers, and he himself "from the bushes" is watching (source KP.ru):
        Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin proposed to distribute the system of digital passes in the capital to all Russian regions.
        In his opinion, this will automatically control the movement of citizens between regions.
        - I believe that the pass system can be extended not only to the regions adjacent to the Moscow Region, but also to others. This will allow us to control the process of moving by air, rail, intercity and inter-regional bus transportation so that we don’t cut these connections, but set up the system, ”said the mayor at a meeting of the Presidium of the Coordination Council under the Government of the Russian Federation to combat the spread of coronavirus.

        PS And how it all corresponds to the so-called Constitution and other federal laws, I don’t even ask.
        Sobyanin decided so, so Sobyanin is still the head of the capital, but still the truth is not even the head of the government. And the headquarters for the fight against the virus, one of which he leads, do not now understand how many and which of them is more headquarters. It’s good that so far the head of a housing office does not make decisions for the president. Although, maybe when the heads of the regions get tired of state affairs, following the president’s example, they will also transfer such powers further down, maybe they will be left to the ZhEKs, it’s better to see who can leave the apartment and the district, and who’s the head of the ZhEK strongly dislike. laughing
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 23 2020 09: 17 New
          +9
          Yes, the GDP already at least made decisions for itself. And then recently it is no longer clear who rules the country, transferred presidential powers, and he himself "from the bushes" is watching

          Yes, the GDP is not the same. On combat aircraft does not fly. It all started with Siberian Cranes, then amphorae, now bushes ..
          1. Campanella
            Campanella April 23 2020 09: 37 New
            14
            There isn’t you, because of the bushes he is threateningly shouting that they say that you’ll fight badly with the coronovirus; I will come out as I show you!)))
            In real life, it looks ridiculous, the president is out of business and acts as an extras, he reads texts well with an expression of extreme concern.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta April 23 2020 09: 45 New
              14
              Quote: Campanella
              There isn’t you, because of the bushes he is threateningly shouting that they say that you’ll fight badly with the coronovirus; I will come out as I show you!)))

              Some kind of deja vu, spring ..., bunker ..., calls ...
              Quote: Campanella
              In real life, it looks ridiculous, the president is out of business and acts as an extras, he reads texts well with an expression of extreme concern.

              Laughter is kind, and sometimes contemptuous and ruthless.
            2. Snail N9
              Snail N9 April 23 2020 09: 51 New
              16
              "The last battle of capitalism"? Come on, he has begun the last phase of establishing his power - to create a world "digital concentration camp". And Russia in this regard, one of the leaders, is striving to create a "digital concentration camp" by leaps and bounds - here you have the "law on digitalization", and the introduction of "digital passes" everywhere, endowing the security officials-policemen with the functions of untouchables, "expanding their rights" before shooting to kill only if there is a suspicion of a threat to their lives from an offender (and this, in a country that has practically no short-handed population!), "nullification" of the Constitution, etc.
              Here is the future of Russia:
            3. Gardamir
              Gardamir April 23 2020 10: 48 New
              +7
              In real life, it looks ridiculous, the president is out of business and acts as an extras, he reads texts well with an expression of extreme concern.




              How so, in three days he did not change his clothes or change his tie.
              1. Campanella
                Campanella April 23 2020 16: 38 New
                +4
                Coronovirus however, there is no one to wash the servants.
                Or maybe he is an alien? Broadcasts himself remotely to the glory of the oligarchs?
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta April 23 2020 09: 50 New
          18
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Yes, the GDP would at least make decisions for itself.

          All solutions consisted of self-elimination from problems in the expectation that problems resolve themselves on their own for all 20 years, and now nothing resolves and the so-called problem solver turned into a problem itself.
        3. depressant
          depressant April 23 2020 10: 08 New
          13
          In fact, there is no last battle for capitalism. Have you seen how a snake sheds its skin? There is a painful transition from capitalism of the old type, in which there was the freedom to be hired as a service to this or that bloodsucker, who currently has "Free cash desk!", So come, get hired, there is a choice of "free cash registers", to capitalism of a new type. You are digitized from head to toe, every step you take is known, by the decision of someone from above you are distributed into a working niche from which you will never be able to leave, and if you are a surplus who has not accepted the rules of the game, then as a disposal of your annoying, loud personality - a non-criminal method in the form of a wide range of viruses or impulses that kill you through an implant built into your brain with the subsequent diagnosis "So young, but a stroke! Well, wow! Who would have thought ..."
          Capitalism does not kill itself at all. It is transforming into the digital age. People like the cells of his body - it hurts, as, probably, it hurts the surface of the body of a snake when it sheds its skin. But at the same time, the snake remains a snake.
          This is not fiction. This is an obvious, greedy desire for capital, no matter what kind - industrial or banking, to such a state of things. An aspiration that he is no longer able to hide. And it turns out that the few capitalists crawling out of the old skin, with their monetary power, are opposed by a large, but non-monetary mass of scattered people who are not united by the renewed idea of ​​confrontation. So where are our new messiahs? Are they stuck in the old skin?
        4. kalibr
          kalibr April 23 2020 10: 37 New
          +5
          There is a good movie on this topic: "Minority Report". We are going to this!
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 11 New
            -1
            Quote: kalibr
            We are going to this!

            By your efforts including.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 23 2020 09: 47 New
      +7
      Quote: Malyuta
      It has never been and never will be that the obsolete classes voluntarily surrender their positions without trying to organize resistance.

      Here you are absolutely right when you say that they will not surrender voluntarily. Even after the publication of the "Manifesto" in 1848, "Capital" also began to act by creating its own "Capitalist International" which acted without noise and shouting. Now it acts much tougher, especially after the events of 1917-1991. He now has unlimited opportunities, the Fed with a printing press, in the hands of all the world's media, newspapers, publications, etc. not to mention the secret structures, the colossally grown power structures and the army. But also one of the main components of human life, it is concentrated in food by the capitalists. Karona-19 shook the foundations of capitalism, but did not lead to the collapse of the system, as it did in 19817. Yes, and there are no leaders.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr April 23 2020 10: 39 New
        +7
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Karona-19 shook the foundations of capitalism

        And how did she stagger? Helped !!! Ruined companies and enterprises will buy large and everything will go the same, but at a lower price!
        1. depressant
          depressant April 23 2020 13: 38 New
          +3
          Colleagues, here you are arguing, and our people, without any leaders, whom they are simply tired of waiting for (no one will give us deliverance, not God, not a king or a hero!), Famously fit into the digital era. And now a wave of Internet rallies has already swept across the country on the Yandex-Navigator resource in the Conversations section. The whole map around the Kremlin was filled with protesters. The Kremlin caught it, listened, got worried, reacted, took the demands into account. Yandex, of course, removed the rallies, but everything is still ahead. Craftsmen do not sleep! ))
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 23 2020 13: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: kalibr
          And how did she stagger? Helped !!! Ruined companies and enterprises will buy large and everything will go the same, but at a lower price!

          Well, here you rightly said "helped", the rich will become even richer.
    3. atalef
      atalef April 23 2020 09: 47 New
      -4
      Quote: Malyuta
      Nobody has canceled the class struggle

      why did you decide so?
      Quote: Malyuta
      It never happened and never will be that obsolete classes are surrendered voluntarily
      their positions, not trying to organize resistance. It never happened and never will be
      in order to advance the working class towards socialism in a class society
      could do without struggle and anxiety.

      Well, that was to justify the expropriation and terror.
      Quote: Malyuta
      On the contrary, advancing towards socialism
      cannot but lead to the resistance of the exploiting elements to this
      promotion

      tell it to the Swedes or Luxembourgers - for example.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 15 New
        -2
        Quote: atalef
        why did you decide so?

        Since the laws of the development of human society are not repealed by the decisions of the Knesset.
        Quote: atalef
        Well, that was to justify the expropriation and terror.

        That is, if tomorrow they come to you and offer to share capital, will you happily agree? Well, OK. Write the address, I'm leaving.
        Quote: atalef
        tell it to the Swedes or Luxembourgers - for example.

        Until they died out from the coronavirus?
  • atalef
    atalef April 23 2020 09: 40 New
    -9
    Quote: Alex Nevs
    Will the battle be the last? Yes, he will be constant, has been, is and will be.

    --- This is our last and decisive battle ....
    Well, well, warriors.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 23 2020 14: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      This is our last and decisive battle ....

      As long as there is a person, so many fights go on, and now, and in the future will go on too.
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 April 23 2020 14: 18 New
      0
      Quote: atalef
      This is our last and decisive battle ....

      Or maybe:
      Weizmir violence we will destroy!

      What do you think, Alexander? wink
  • iouris
    iouris April 23 2020 12: 49 New
    +4
    (Capitalism)
    Quote: Alex Nevs
    was, is and will be.

    This is an anti-scientific statement. I would like to draw your attention to the fact that there are many "capitalisms". Every existing country within the framework of "world capitalism" has what it has. It is necessary to distinguish between the economic system and the regime of exercising the power of (world) capital. Range: from ochlocracy (crowd power) to high-tech dictatorship. We are getting ready for the implantation of chips.
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  • Keeping
    Keeping April 23 2020 08: 36 New
    +1
    What is the relationship between a planned economy and a pandemic?

    Well, there would be a hundred billion masks in the storerooms - is this a panacea?
    Well, it would be according to the plan that millions of ventilators were released and what, in their absence, is a problem?

    This is a discharge, and talk! A set of beautiful words and sentences that are not connected together ...
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs April 23 2020 08: 42 New
      +8
      Huge! Very much. Here you are a capitalist, why YOU "bury" capital in storerooms for about 50 years, if you can turn it around 50 times a month (with a profit). And the CPSU at first had canned food! 15 years from the date of manufacture! More than 15 years have not met.
      1. Keeping
        Keeping April 23 2020 08: 49 New
        -6
        There were problems with the quality of many things in the USSR. If he didn’t live there, he would not argue. And about canned food - I do not argue, by the way, and now there are quite durable.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 23 2020 09: 01 New
          14
          Quote: Keeping
          There were problems with the quality of many things in the USSR. If he didn’t live there, he would not argue. And about canned food - I do not argue, by the way, and now there are quite durable.

          You can’t or don’t want to understand the essence .. When there is nothing to eat at all, you won’t pay attention to the quality of the car. If you have experienced hunger, you must understand this. So, to prevent hunger, to curb a pandemic as soon as possible, society can only with the participation of the state, with a clear plan and resources involved. And when the state is self-insulated and people on their own, the pandemic will grow, and if it happens that there is not enough food, then there will be hunger.
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 April 23 2020 09: 20 New
          12
          There were problems with the quality of many things in the USSR

          Well, yes .. The quality of many, for example, Chinese goods is certainly not an example above ..
        3. Campanella
          Campanella April 23 2020 09: 41 New
          +7
          Well, yes, the quality of goods and abundance for slavery traded? Equivalent exchange.
        4. iouris
          iouris April 23 2020 15: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Keeping
          There were problems with the quality of many things in the USSR.

          I am sure that you will not be able to give a definition of quality without resorting to duropedia. Formulate the problem differently: what exactly did not suit you in the USSR?
        5. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs April 23 2020 16: 39 New
          +1
          But now the quality is completely preservative-not sour for a week (but also the gastrointestinal tract also preserves laughing ) So there is nothing better than natural! Well, only if artificial laughing
      2. Avior
        Avior April 23 2020 09: 41 New
        +5
        It’s clear with the warehouses of NZ supply, they are still there
        And about the pandemic, well, you will create a warehouse for masks and mechanical ventilation, but in fact, the epidemic will conditionally say dysentery, where these mechanical ventilation are not needed?
        You can’t do anything with all the ill health of stocks for the whole country.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 23 2020 09: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: Alex Nevs
        And at the beginning, the CPSU had NZ canned food !!! 15 years from the date of manufacture!

        If only canned food, and what strategic reserves in case of "cataclysms" were, even hard to imagine. I have seen these too. I know that there were such warehouses in Finland after the war, and they still work.
      4. iouris
        iouris April 23 2020 15: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex Nevs
        CPSU at the beginning were NZ canned food !!! 15 years from the date of manufacture! More than 15 years have not met.

        He himself understood what he wrote about? The State Reserve kept reserves in case of war. These canned foods, upon expiration of the storage period, went on sale or in the USSR Armed Forces as rations.
        1. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs April 23 2020 16: 42 New
          0
          But what is not clear to you - if YOU understood and answered essentially? And they ate and did not complain. Ah yeah, I forgot to add it to you (NZ is not for Catering). Everyone understood everything.
      5. Crane
        Crane April 23 2020 20: 54 New
        0
        And at the beginning, the CPSU had NZ canned food !!!
        =========
        There are stocks now. Ask a question before sketching.
        Party canned food laughing
    2. Svarog
      Svarog April 23 2020 08: 49 New
      15
      Quote: Keeping
      What is the relationship between a planned economy and a pandemic?

      The bottom line is that only with the participation of the state is it possible to quickly overcome crises, and any economic ones, a pandemic, etc. When each on its own, the effectiveness of this society is extremely low. And when there is an organizer in the form of a state, a plan, then any goals are achieved faster.
      1. Keeping
        Keeping April 23 2020 08: 53 New
        -5
        To overcome the pandemic, and indeed any disaster, it is enough to introduce the emergency mode ... Or do you think that the planned economy helped the USSR to cope with both the plague and Chernobyl and anthrax.
        Quarantine, posts, isolation - in a word, a strict order.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 23 2020 09: 07 New
          17
          Quote: Keeping
          Or do you think that the planned economy helped the USSR to cope with the plague and Chernobyl and anthrax.
          Quarantine, posts, isolation - in a word, a strict order.

          Correctly. The USSR effectively coped with the infection thanks to the STATE, which was socially oriented. It was the state that organized the order. And now the state has eliminated itself. They do not want to introduce emergencies because it is expensive, thereby making it clear that not human lives are a priority, but money, and our money, which they consider to be their own.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 23 2020 09: 57 New
          +5
          Quote: Keeping
          Quarantine, posts, isolation - in a word, a strict order.

          It was like that, I still remember "El Tor".
      2. LKW UE
        LKW UE April 23 2020 09: 03 New
        +8
        And where to grow such talented organizers? Who will decide whose plan is needed? So maybe you do not have to fence the garden? And just to take and set a goal, business needs to provide support this and that. China introduced market relations, developed private business, boosted the economy with state support, business works wonders.
      3. DPN
        DPN April 23 2020 09: 41 New
        +4
        That's right, but it will not reach the capitalists above all, or rather, they don’t want to share with the people. It's easier to dump the surplus into a river or sea, so the market has put everything in place. Only a planned economy will save you from hunger and other adversities. The planned economy won in 1945.
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 23 2020 09: 10 New
      19
      Quote: Keeping
      What is the relationship between a planned economy and a pandemic?

      Do you remember whether there were crises or epidemics during the Soviet era?
      And when you remember, you will no longer have questions.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 09: 29 New
        -4
        Under the USSR, at least since the mid-70s there has been a permanent, ongoing crisis. The degradation of the economy.
        1. Crossbill
          Crossbill April 23 2020 10: 17 New
          +4
          And the beginning of these crises in some "strange" way coincided with the Liberman-Kosygin reforms ...
          1. unaha
            unaha April 23 2020 10: 57 New
            +2
            On the contrary, Kosyginskaya reform tried to bring the economy out of the impasse into which it was led by the planning system. Unfortunate though. And by that time, the source of development in the form of pumping resources from the village due to the imbalance in prices for agricultural products in relation to industrial ones was already exhausted.
            1. Crossbill
              Crossbill April 23 2020 11: 08 New
              +1
              Trying to cross a snake with a hedgehog? Original .. And most importantly, the results of "salvation" are obvious ... It's funny about the village .... They didn't pump it out of it, but rather pumped it into it constantly .. Or you don't know that agricultural subsidies nn toljeo in the USSR ... And that Kosygin abandoned the planned economy? Thank you, I did not know ...
              1. unaha
                unaha April 23 2020 11: 49 New
                +2
                "And that Kosygin abandoned the planned economy" - I wonder where from what I wrote this conclusion follows? Yes, it was "Trying to cross a snake with a hedgehog" that they hoped to somehow increase the productivity and flexibility of the planning system, reduce directive management, and somehow justify pricing.
                You haven't heard of price scissors either? And with the NEP period, they did not end at all, and one of the goals of the reform: "In agriculture, purchase prices for products increased by 1,5-2 times, preferential payments for an over-planned harvest were introduced, prices for spare parts and equipment were reduced, income tax rates for peasants. ", does not say anything?
                1. Crossbill
                  Crossbill April 23 2020 13: 02 New
                  -1
                  Introducing the capitalist criteria for evaluating production, Kosygin simply ditched the Stalinist model and practically prepared the USSR economy for the transition to capitalist rails. For agriculture ... Which of what you wrote contradicts what I wrote? A huge amount of money poured into agriculture ..
                  1. unaha
                    unaha April 23 2020 13: 39 New
                    -1
                    "What of what you wrote contradicts what I wrote? Enormous money poured into the agricultural sector." Of course, but a little later.
                    1. Crossbill
                      Crossbill April 23 2020 13: 53 New
                      0
                      Yes, in general, during the entire period of the existence of the Soviet regime, huge amounts of money were invested in one form or another.
            2. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs April 23 2020 16: 48 New
              +1
              The planning system has nothing to do with it !. ANY state plans. Any. In Leading people all the "fuss". Or rather, in the Man (the specialist wrote with a capital letter). MarxismLeninism for a society of people and not "parasites". Only the "wild jungle" (capitalism) is parasites.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 23 2020 14: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Under the USSR, at least since the mid-70s there has been a permanent, ongoing crisis. The degradation of the economy.

          Well yes! That's all the Soviet legacy can not be eaten in any way, not loot the oligarchs
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 23 2020 10: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Malyuta
        Do you remember whether there were crises or epidemics during the Soviet era?

        I don't remember the crises, but I remember the El Tor epidemic well, being stuck for a month in the Astrakhan region.
      3. kalibr
        kalibr April 23 2020 12: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: Malyuta
        Do you remember whether there were crises or epidemics during the Soviet era?

        There were! For example, the flu epidemic of 1957 and 59, 1977, cholera 1970, even smallpox ... google and everything will open to you. And here are the data on the plague: 1939 - Moscow; 1945 - South of the Volga-Ural region, Central Asia; 1946 - Caspian zone, Turkmenistan; 1947-1948 - Astrakhan region, Kazakhstan; 1949 - Turkmenistan; 1970 - Elbrus region; 1972 - Kalmykia; 1975 - Dagestan; 1980 - Pre-Caspian zone; 1981 - Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan. And this is not a complete list of plague epidemics in the USSR. Never, Malyuta, do not write without looking at Google - your intellect is not the one to know and keep in your head. You put yourself in a ridiculous position.
    4. Revolver
      Revolver April 23 2020 09: 28 New
      +5
      Masks are not a problem at all. Here in America, they raised prices for them, asking for $ 1 not for a bundle, as always, but for a little thing, because now it is forbidden to muzzle publicly accessible buildings (in particular, all shops, post office, banks, etc.). Well, all that is needed is a pair of rubber bands (a ring with a diameter of about 50mm, a cross section of 1mm x 1mm), and half a meter of paper towel. Half a minute is spent folding the paper into the desired shape, and the mask is ready. Not worse than industrial, and the cost is less than a cent. Such is origami.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 April 23 2020 10: 35 New
        +7
        Well, all that is needed is a pair of rubber bands (a ring with a diameter of about 50mm, a cross section of 1mm x 1mm), and half a meter of paper towel. Half a minute is spent folding the paper into the desired shape, and the mask is ready.

        Fasten gum-stapler? wink
        Have everyone bought toilet paper? All! You can and so, like this:
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 23 2020 17: 26 New
          +1
          Fasten gum-stapler?

          No, purely due to the fold holds.
    5. atalef
      atalef April 23 2020 09: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: Keeping
      What is the relationship between a planned economy and a pandemic?

      in a planned economy, it would be planned - and therefore would become a deficit.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 09: 57 New
        +1
        One significant moment: in March, buckwheat was panicked from the shelves in the country across the country. The same buckwheat, which during the Union in stores in free sale was not particularly found. Deficit.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 23 2020 18: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          in March, buckwheat was panicked from the shelves across the country

          Want to laugh? In America, there are so-called "Russian shops" where you can buy products from Russia and other former Soviet republics or made locally to the tastes of immigrants from the USSR (as well as "Polish", "Israeli" and other ethnic stores). So, in all the listed stores, buckwheat was swept off the shelves, for about a week it was not at all (from the word "absolutely"), and then it appeared, but somewhere in one and a half, two or three times more, depending on the specific store and manufacturer.
          And in ordinary American supermarkets, they dared to wear masks, disposable vinyl gloves, detergents, paper towels, and especially toilet paper. Of the products - canned fish and vegetables, and also flour and yeast. According to statistics, sales of products increased, roughly speaking, by a third, and flour and other components of baking by almost 500% (not a typo, somewhere in the news flashed the figure of four hundred and a large). Meat and chicken are limited to no more than 4 (four) packs per hand. It takes about 5-10-15 minutes to enter the store, depending on the place and time, because the number of visitors to the authorities has limited to I don’t remember how many people per unit area, and they won’t let me in without a muzzle. And a special person walks along the line and checks that between people there should be at least 6 feet prescribed by the authorities (about 2 m). And where there is a line at the box office, directly on the floor, 6 feet marks were applied with duct tape so that buyers would observe the social distance prescribed by the authorities.
          Not surprisingly, because many restaurants, cafes, and other food shops were closed, and those that stayed either sold food exclusively for takeaway (in some places you can order home delivery for a fee). And there is a need. In addition, there is nothing to do (all entertainment establishments and even parks are closed), people became interested in cooking and especially baking, even those who never did it. True, a considerable part of all this goes to the trash, because what to expect from baker-cooks who for the first time in their life have risen to the stove, except conditionally edible, or even completely inedible results?
          The people swear, but while suffering, no one wants to get sick.
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs April 23 2020 16: 50 New
        0
        Controversial issue.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 17 New
        -2
        Quote: atalef
        in a planned economy, it would be planned - and therefore would become a deficit.

        The market is really better. There is no coronavirus deficiency in it.
    6. paul3390
      paul3390 April 23 2020 09: 58 New
      +6
      What is the relationship between a planned economy and a pandemic?

      The state’s ability to drastically mobilize all available resources to solve the problem .. Compare the reaction of China, led by the Communist Party, where they immediately began to produce everything they need in every gateway, and the so-called free market countries, where even now there is a shortage of everything that is needed. For business is not very interested, they won’t give a price, so the profit is not tasty .. And Russia, alas, is not among such countries ..
  • vvvjak
    vvvjak April 23 2020 08: 36 New
    18
    Will this be the last battle?

    I wonder who in the world is fighting a battle with capitalism. There is no one else besides coronavirus.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs April 23 2020 08: 44 New
      +1
      The World itself is constantly striving for this, but it is striving for foci. Constantly. To see you are not familiar with the classics of Marxism-Leninism.
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak April 23 2020 08: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: Alex Nevs
        The world itself is constantly striving for this,

        Is it striving for what, for the struggle against capitalism? Like the result is nonsense, the main process.
      2. atalef
        atalef April 23 2020 09: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Alex Nevs
        The World itself is constantly striving for this, but it is striving for foci. Constantly. To see you are not familiar with the classics of Marxism-Leninism.

        foci .. laughing
        wipe first Marxism. then Leninism.
        apart from grief, this theory has given nothing to anyone.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 18 New
          -1
          Quote: atalef
          wipe first Marxism. then Leninism.
          apart from grief, this theory has given nothing to anyone.

          It turns out that fools and roads are trouble not only in Russia.
      3. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze April 23 2020 09: 51 New
        +9
        The World itself is constantly striving for this, but it is striving for foci.


        This is yours, a Russian dilemma. You are still fighting white and red, and the World doesn’t give a damn about your torment and generally about Marxism-Leninism. And while you think about socialism, they invented a new trend in capitalism - feudal capitalism.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 23 New
          -2
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          This is yours, a Russian dilemma. You are still fighting white and red, and the World doesn’t give a damn about your torment and generally about Marxism-Leninism. And while you think about socialism, they invented a new trend in capitalism - feudal capitalism.

          While the fools do not care about an objective understanding of the surrounding reality, they will ride a rake, but it’s actually not so scary it’s their choice and let the loss not be great from the point of evolution, it’s more terrible that they pull a rake and Marxists to jump.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 09: 37 New
      -4
      It is violet to a coronovirus, what social and political formation in the country. And this skin does not pay attention to skin color and eye shape. A true internationalist.
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 April 23 2020 10: 00 New
      +6
      Well - for example, crowds of pro-Marxist partisans still run across Latin America ..
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 23 2020 10: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: vvvjak
      I wonder who in the world is fighting a battle with capitalism. There is no one else besides coronavirus.

      Yes, and something can not be remembered about this, everything is basically "internecine conflict", but artificially created terrorist communities are fighting.
      1. Carnifexx
        Carnifexx April 24 2020 22: 07 New
        -1
        What do you consider a criterion of artificiality in creating terrorist communities? What is your attitude to non-artificial terrorists (like anarchists)?
  • Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 April 23 2020 08: 39 New
    -4
    Well it is more like Yes. Socialism is contrary to human nature. We would not come from monkeys, but say, from ants, such a question would not be raised at all. And if from some sort of self-sufficient predator, such as a tiger, then they would not be knocked down in packs (clan / tribe / state), and there would simply be no possibility for the exploitation of one by the other.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 23 2020 08: 55 New
      14
      Quote: Arthur 85
      Socialism is contrary to human nature.

      What nonsense. Socialism is just disgusting to the animal world. And a person, as a creature that should have morality, morality, just has to strive for socialism. In other words, man must evolve, not degrade.
      1. for
        for April 23 2020 09: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        In other words, man must evolve

        The more it evolves, the more it decomposes.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 23 2020 09: 14 New
          +8
          Quote: for
          The more it evolves, the more it decomposes.

          This is when progress is ahead of spiritual development. This is exactly what happens under capitalism. And under socialism, spiritual development keeps pace with the development of progress.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 09: 42 New
            +4
            Well, where did this spiritual thing go after the collapse of the communist system? As soon as all these prohibitions were lifted, the people rushed into business and some into fraternity, prostitution was immediately a prestigious profession, educated by Soviet standards people began to charge water in front of the TV and swing under Kashpirovsky’s sessions. Where did this spirituality go? 70 years strangled, strangled, but not strangled.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 23 2020 10: 15 New
            +4
            Quote: Svarog
            This is when progress is ahead of spiritual development.

            It is also true what spiritual progress can be if you build the Millerhof, have a yacht for 500 lemons, and eat three throats.
          3. dzvero
            dzvero April 23 2020 10: 39 New
            +5
            And you and for right. Another example, this time on mice. In the 70s, we put a couple of mice in an aviary. No predators, parasites, diseases; there is plenty of water and food, plenty of places for a bed, warm and not blowing. At first, of course, the growth of the population, but then it began ... Overpopulation did not work, at the peak 90% of the seats were occupied at most. Outcasts appeared - mice, whom everyone "offended" and chased from the couches. There appeared "individualistic narcissists" - mice who were engaged in "self-love", did not want to mate and generally reduced contact with others to a minimum. Perfect consumers. During that period, the decline in numbers began and, finally, the degradation of the population. We tried a couple of "individualists" (both sexes, of course smile ) move to a new aviary - the stone flower has not bloomed ... If we remove the incentives, the society turns into a consumer society and it has only one way. Over the past thirty years, it has been the active consumer model of behavior everywhere. It is possible that our species is sliding in the last stage of development of the mouse community.
            1. Carnifexx
              Carnifexx April 24 2020 22: 01 New
              -1
              Specify what kind of experience we are talking about.
              1. dzvero
                dzvero April 24 2020 22: 07 New
                0
                The experiences of the 60s. Here is a modern comment:
                https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-1960s-led-grim-predictions-humans-180954423/
                1. Carnifexx
                  Carnifexx April 24 2020 22: 19 New
                  -1
                  No, just to say that this is the Universe 25? Oh. You have a wrong understanding. It is not a matter of comfort, but of crowding. Your conclusions just knocked me down, because they TOTALLY differ from the conclusions of Calhoun:
                  According to the results of the study, Calhoun concluded that when a certain population density is exceeded and all social roles in the population are filled in, a growing layer of young “outcasts” appears. Intense competition between them and older individuals leads to the breakdown of social ties and the collapse of society as a whole, and a transition to a state where, with low mortality, the norm becomes primitive "autistic" behavior, leading to the extinction of the population.
                  1. dzvero
                    dzvero April 24 2020 22: 33 New
                    0
                    There was overcrowding, but resources were plentiful; the competition was not for them. Plus, once it started to degrade, the population did not recover. Those. if all needs are met and there are no external stimuli, society degrades. How can we not remember about the "ideal consumer" Vybegailo from PNvS.
                    1. Carnifexx
                      Carnifexx April 24 2020 22: 34 New
                      -1
                      Stubborn, your right.
                      1. dzvero
                        dzvero April 24 2020 22: 48 New
                        0
                        Interpretation of behavioral experiments on animals is a thankless task. Draw analogies with human society all the more. But there are tendencies right after all one-in-one - a decline in the birth rate in rich states (one child in a family) or even a rejection of creating a family and children, plus an unbridled LGBT. If not immigration, Western prosperous societies would already be halfway to extinction.
                      2. Carnifexx
                        Carnifexx April 26 2020 14: 27 New
                        -1
                        The demographic transition is the result of the fact that in a developed country there are more interesting things to do than dozens of children (and there is no such need, yet child mortality is extremely low). You can jump with a parachute, go to a restaurant and more. Capitalism works very well for this, because money is where the satisfaction of demand is. There is a conditional market for skateboarders - make and sell skateboards themselves and a bundle for them. This can go on almost endlessly. Therefore, this article is bullshit - as long as people have needs, there is greed for a new impression of capitalism will be immortal.
    2. Arthur 85
      Arthur 85 April 23 2020 09: 24 New
      +1
      Key word: "must" ... Remember "Dunno in a sunny city", where three donkeys destroyed the communist society ... A couple of percent of people without conscience, honor and morality are enough - and socialism is doomed. And there are many, many more.
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs April 23 2020 17: 08 New
        0
        And I said Marxism Leninism for Man and not parasites.
      2. Carnifexx
        Carnifexx April 24 2020 22: 02 New
        -1
        Great communism needs perfect people, and terrible capitalism works with what it is.
    3. DPN
      DPN April 23 2020 09: 44 New
      +5
      To our great regret, man as he was a Predator remained so to him, if he were a man, the people would live in the USSR.
    4. atalef
      atalef April 23 2020 09: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      just have to strive for socialism

      The followers of Marxism - they call socialism the first phase of communism, which begins after the transitional stage from capitalism to communism: the transitional stage begins with the seizure of political power and ends with the destruction of private ownership of the basic means of production with the transition to a state planned economy. The first phase of communism ends with overcoming the contradictions between people of mental and material labor, as well as between the city and the village. The guarantee of this development since the seizure of political power is the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is carried out by the soviets

      we have different aspirations. wink
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 27 New
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        we have different aspirations.

        Not yet. It’s not bad for a petty-bourgeois chauvinist like you, and of course you will defend your world until it begins to fall apart. This is quite logical.
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 23 2020 10: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      . Socialism is just disgusting to the animal world.

      I agree with your opinion, and the animal kingdom has a large variety, but I see on the minuses that half of the participants do not share your position. I'm here by your side.
    6. kalibr
      kalibr April 23 2020 12: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      And a person, as a creature that should have morality, morality, just has to strive for socialism.

      Before us is the last glass of water on the planet. I have the strength and ability (or you, if you want) to take it away and drink it myself. I will never believe that you will share it with me: "Let's die together as brothers!" No, anyone will say: you'd better die today, and I will die tomorrow. Exceptions? May be. But most will do just that! And overwhelming!
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs April 23 2020 17: 11 New
        0
        A rare and private statement. Not for the nationalization of society. And why rare, guess. it's pretty simple.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 30 New
        -2
        Quote: kalibr
        Exceptions? May be. But most will do just that! Moreover, the vast!

        There is only a slight difference between a communist and a capitalist like you. The communist will do everything so that such a situation never arises, and you will do everything to survive in such a situation.
  • dzvero
    dzvero April 23 2020 09: 20 New
    +5
    Capitalism too. The closest thing is primitive tribal-communal formations with a certain touch of slavery. As Aristotle said - democracy and communism for intelligent people smile By the way, up to a third of an ant in a colony sometimes pretend to be activity hovering back and forth. Just like office plankton smile
    Generally speaking, the topic of biology and social structure is interesting. At one time, they conducted an experiment on monkeys - they introduced "money" and "work" in the group. We put the apparatus; you need to pull the handle several times (work) and a token (money) falls, which can be exchanged for a banana. The animals figured it out and raced ... All the "services" - to remove parasites there, etc., became "paid". Intimacy too (apparently the oldest profession). There were workaholics who just let them pull the handle smile Crime also appeared - at first bananas were forcibly taken from the weaker, and then they guessed to take the tokens and accumulate them. Direct initial accumulation of capital. What am I doing - biologically individuals are divided into strong and weak. In our society, division continues, but not on a physical basis, but on more abstract principles. Both capitalism and socialism are the same abstract concepts, alien species biologies. A sharp negative change in conditions immediately returns us to the roots. Nu Orleans after Katrina confirmation of this.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella April 23 2020 09: 53 New
      +5
      Interesting experiments!
      But force majeure does not make sense to discuss. The fact is immutable - in nature there is a balance.
      Therefore, it’s difficult to talk about a total victory. But development also cannot be stopped. Nobody has canceled a dream for a person, and for some it may consist in accumulation, and in some, building a society of social justice.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 April 23 2020 09: 59 New
      +2
      - Both that, and another - a carrot on a stick, forcing donkeys to run in the right direction ... Moreover, the goal and the final point of the run have nothing to do with the aspirations of donkeys ... smile
    3. WayKheThuo
      WayKheThuo April 23 2020 12: 10 New
      -1
      Can I have a link to the source of information on this experiment?
      Thank you.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero April 23 2020 12: 39 New
        0
        It turns out that you can’t give a direct link.
        "invalid text for publication"
        Probably the title of the material does not pass ...
    4. Arthur 85
      Arthur 85 April 23 2020 15: 47 New
      -1
      Well, I about it. Communism is Christianity, only without God. For 2 thousand years what the original teaching has turned into, we all know ... So why did we think that the godless humanistic teaching will achieve more?
      1. dzvero
        dzvero April 23 2020 16: 16 New
        +1
        Because the potential of social development is incomparable with religion. But it turned out what happened ... it was not by chance that he gave a playful quote to Aristotle.
    5. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs April 23 2020 17: 15 New
      0
      A small mistake is any biosubstances (worms, cockroaches, amoeba .....) and those are prone to society. Coronavirus and thats laughing - in a herd it is easier to tear a cage. laughing
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF April 23 2020 08: 45 New
    +3
    First of all, perhaps, because they appeal to the most, to put it mildly, mundane and, therefore, persistent human instincts. The cult of consumption, individualism, freedom, which is, in essence, a rejection of any moral principles and prohibitions ... What is there to hide, all this easily resonates with human souls.

    Here is the answer to the question of the article. There is no need to wait, there will be no "battles".
  • knn54
    knn54 April 23 2020 08: 45 New
    +9
    "Nourishing the hopes of young men."
    And coronavirus is another attempt to gain world domination without the use of nuclear weapons.
    Regarding socialism. Social equality is impossible. But enough social justice, which capitalism does not have.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 23 2020 09: 46 New
      11
      Quote: knn54
      Regarding socialism. Social equality is impossible. But enough social justice, which capitalism does not have.

      You really can’t achieve social equality, you can’t argue with nature, everyone is born different, both intellectually and physically and genetically. But social justice must be. When a football player receives more than a hundred doctors, or even 1000 times more .. well, this is complete nonsense. And we have such an absurdity in all spheres of life.
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs April 23 2020 17: 18 New
        +2
        Duc is capitalism. For money, they play-money "get" by ANY means. You can forget about sports. Sport turns into Kashpirovsky Chumak MMM ...
        1. LKW UE
          LKW UE April 23 2020 18: 02 New
          0
          In Western Europe, they have long come to socialism without specifically advertising it. How the state takes care of its citizens, what culture and standard of living is proof of that. 3% of a bank loan for 30 years, people trust the state and law-abiding, theft and crime at a minimum, and this is mainly due to immigration. Why talk about ideas if you can see everything with your own eyes on a living example.
          1. Carnifexx
            Carnifexx April 24 2020 21: 55 New
            0
            If it is convenient for you to consider this socialism, then good health to you.
            I also advocate for the rule of law, the inviolability of private property, freedom of entrepreneurship, a developed banking system ... in a word, a favorable institutional environment for capitalism. wink
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 37 New
              -2
              Quote: Carnifexx
              If it is convenient for you to consider this socialism, then good health to you.
              I also advocate for the rule of law, the inviolability of private property, freedom of entrepreneurship, a developed banking system ... in a word, a favorable institutional environment for capitalism. wink

              I watch some life does not teach anything. Those who fit into the market must certainly step on the old rake and draw the rest of the world into this as well. Let’s you build your right capitalism somewhere on Mars? And then you know somehow for humanity it’s scary.
              1. Carnifexx
                Carnifexx April 26 2020 14: 33 New
                -1
                Mmm, I don’t think so. I think that the human population, as always, will be guided by utilitarian principles in deciding which economic system to prefer. And since economic science (and empiricism) has given an unambiguous answer which is better (capitalism or socialism) ... humanity will continue to build capitalism on Earth, and dreamers and simply very good alternatively gifted people will invent a bicycle after such geniuses as Lange.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 34 New
            -2
            Quote: LKW UE
            In Western Europe, they have long come to socialism without specifically advertising it.

            Come on, you will not carry any nonsense. Thanks in advance. Nobody has canceled private ownership of the means of production there. And how much "socialism" is there now in the midst of the epidemic. Yes, and the small-scale woman somehow did not leave the European Union at all socialistically.
            1. Carnifexx
              Carnifexx April 26 2020 14: 36 New
              -1
              A similar view is close to me, the same Scheffle called capitalism the best form of socialism. What difference is private property if people live as good as never before since the history of mankind, even rulers?
  • unaha
    unaha April 23 2020 08: 47 New
    +4
    "socialist China, where the power belongs to the Communist Party."
    In what way is China's "socialism" expressed, apart from "the power belongs to the Communist Party"?
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 23 2020 09: 35 New
      -8
      Quote: unaha
      In what way is China's "socialism" expressed, apart from "the power belongs to the Communist Party"?

      apparently. is that China - inequality leader world incomes- 1% of the wealthiest Chinese control about 33% of the country's total wealth, and 25% of the poorest only 1%.

      in this far ahead of ALL cap of the West and Russia.

      in the national assembly of China - 100 dollar billionaires and 200 people with a fortune of more than 300 million dollars.

      tens of millions do not receive a pension ...

      so far it is not a "society of true universal justice and security"
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 39 New
        -2
        Quote: Olgovich
        apparently. the fact that China is the leader in income inequality in the world - 1% of the wealthiest Chinese control about 33% of the country's wealth, and 25% of the poorest - only 1%.

        in this far ahead of ALL cap of the West and Russia.


        Well, do not worry, we catch up and overtake China with your prayers? Yes olgovich?
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 09: 50 New
      +2
      Is the CCP Communist? Or is there one name left from her? I have a three-letter word on the barn, and there is firewood. Are Communists Dollar Billionaires? Oxymoron. The bearded classics in a coffin do not spin?
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 23 2020 08: 49 New
    +4
    The sad thing is that many young
    people don’t even know Lenin.
    And since they do not know Him, then
    ideas of socialism and equality
    they are practically unfamiliar.
    And this generation in 10-15
    years will become the foundation of the country.
    But they all know
    "the best film", Buzov
    and love hamburgers.
    And people are fighting.
    Capitalism pour money
    will and will fight for them.
    And who will go to the barricades now?
    for the bright ideas of universal
    equality? We unfortunately
    while we lose the battle
    for young generations ..
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 09: 26 New
      -1
      And why go to them, to these barricades? Especially for the idea. Do you need youth? Thank God young people will not wave sabers - they have other interests
    2. atalef
      atalef April 23 2020 09: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      The sad thing is that many young
      people don’t even know Lenin.
      And since they do not know Him, then
      ideas of socialism and equality
      they are practically unfamiliar.

      does socialism mean equality?
      You apparently do not quite differ from the younger generation if you write such a heresy.

      Quote: Doccor18
      But they all know
      "the best film", Buzov
      and love hamburgers

      you watched at their age - looked a villager and a shepherd - jamming this heresy with cutlets (if you had them in the same availability as hamburgers today) - well, what's the difference?
      Quote: Doccor18
      Capitalism pour money
      will and will fight for them.
      And who will go to the barricades now?

      another revolutionary.
      You were 1991 years less in 30.
      What barricades did you light up on and where did you fight?
      Quote: Doccor18
      We unfortunately
      while we lose the battle
      for young generations.

      Yes, you never participated in this battle.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 23 2020 10: 05 New
        +5
        There was equality!
        And people remember him who
        for 50. And all you have to do is deny everything. There is nothing more to cover ...
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 10: 45 New
          +1
          Equality under the USSR was, I confirm - I was already under 60. But some were all the same equal to the others.
          Maybe equalization should not be called equality?
        2. kalibr
          kalibr April 23 2020 12: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: Doccor18
          There was equality!

          Secretaries of the OK CPSU were given money in envelopes for salaries. Good equality, yes ?!
        3. atalef
          atalef April 24 2020 06: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Doccor18
          There was equality!
          And people remember him who
          for 50. And all you have to do is deny everything. There is nothing more to cover ...

          me for 50 t.
          questions?
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs April 23 2020 17: 20 New
        +1
        Who does not work, he eats laughing (from each according to ... each according to .. hi )
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 41 New
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        does socialism mean equality?

        Of course. Only not about which you storytellers like to tell.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 23 2020 10: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Doccor18
      And who will go to the barricades now?
      for the bright ideas of universal
      equality? We unfortunately
      while we lose the battle
      for young generations ..

      Yes you are right. From my children I see that the elders will still go to the barricades, while the younger will not.
  • Courier
    Courier April 23 2020 08: 49 New
    -1
    It is not clear, but the capitalist South Korea is doing very well, Germany is actively helping its people, like the United States.
    Tales of animal capitalism fade against the background of real camps, surplus apportionment, famine of the 30s and the like. About government bond coupons loan, instead of salaries, you can also remember.

    China coped with the pandemic, but not with the economic consequences.
    To say more about Xi Jinping says poverty alleviation in China failed.
    1. tatra
      tatra April 23 2020 09: 34 New
      +3
      Well, what did you put out of anti-Soviet manuals for the crimes of socialism? Hunger, which was and is a natural satellite of capitalism? Are there places of detention for criminals in the USSR? What the Bolsheviks wanted to save the townspeople from starvation by arranging a surplus appraisal, what did Nicholas II and the Provisional Government do before them?
      1. atalef
        atalef April 23 2020 10: 03 New
        -3
        Quote: tatra
        Well, what did you put out of anti-Soviet manuals for the crimes of socialism?

        these are not the crimes of socialism; in the USSR, normal socialism never existed.
        These are the crimes of this communist gang, which for 70 years have been booming the people of Russia
        Quote: tatra
        Hunger, which was and is a natural satellite of capitalism?

        Seriously ?
        As it seems to me. that from the point of view of food products the USSR has always been in the pope, compared with the cap.world
        Quote: tatra
        The fact that the Bolsheviks wanted to save the townspeople from starvation by arranging an extra surplus

        Of course, they also understood that it was better to feed the inhabitants of cities (which could simply throw them off). at the cost of the life of the peasants.
        gut.
        the strongest survives.
        The first commandment is commie.
        Quote: tatra
        What did Nicholas II and the Provisional Government do before them?

        but from now on in more detail.
        1. tatra
          tatra April 23 2020 10: 23 New
          -1
          All according to the template of an information war, which the enemies of the communists in the West, in Europe, all 100 years after the October Revolution, are waging against other countries and peoples, and the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR - against their country and people - whipping up hysteria, throwing a heap of slanderous and unsubstantiated accusations. exposing for those whom they have chosen as the "image of the enemy" all the facts that they do not care about in all other cases, they justify them or "do not notice" how they justify or "do not notice" hunger, those who died of hunger, political repression and executions , mass deportations in the Russian Empire and capital countries of the world.
          And the enemies of the Communists on the territory of the USSR proved that they do not care what to eat, if only there would be a lot and without queues, they do not even care about the health of their children and grandchildren.
          1. atalef
            atalef April 23 2020 10: 31 New
            0
            Quote: tatra
            Everything follows the pattern of the information war waged by the enemies of the Communists in the West and in Europe for 100 years after the October Revolution against other countries and peoples

            and about the facts like that poor thing for you, Irina.
            All harvested and moldy cliches are wielding.
            Quote: tatra
            And the enemies of the Communists on the territory of the USSR proved that they do not care what to eat, if only there were a lot and without queues

            it’s much better than not eating anything at all with bursts. By the way. Irina, now there are enough products of excellent quality on sale, maybe of course a little more expensive ... but.
            Everything is in your hands, there is no egalitarianism, work more, earn more and you can afford everything that the USSR could not even dream about
            Quote: tatra
            they don't even care about the health of their children and grandchildren

            Strange, but the life expectancy under capitalism is much higher than the USSR.
            so that calling everyone back into this hole, who does not care about children or grandchildren, is you.
            1. tatra
              tatra April 23 2020 10: 45 New
              0
              Pointless verbiage. The enemies of socialism are seriously proud of the fact that they POISON the people with low-quality and counterfeit products and goods, that having ruined ALL branches of the country, they speculate with imported products and goods. And under the justification of the myth of "equalization" in the USSR, they redistributed the income of the country and the people in their favor, under the justification "nothing is free, the communists simply did not pay you", they took away many social benefits from the people. And all 30 years the same thing, the supporters of socialism are proud of what they have done with their work, their attitude towards their country and people, and the enemies of socialism are proud only of what they HAVE at the expense of other people's labor, at the expense of their country and people. And it is useless to ask them what they did useful for the country and the people for those large and huge incomes and salaries that they got after the seizure of the country.
              1. atalef
                atalef April 23 2020 10: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: tatra
                The enemies of socialism are seriously proud that they HARRY people low-quality and fake products and goods

                enemies of socialism laughing laughing
                Have you been to cube?
                They would have looked at what people feed in the socialist country, fed the USSR.
                One to one.

                Quote: tatra
                that ditching ALL sectors of the country, they speculate with imported products

                I don’t understand something?
                that is, the internal enemies of socialism (the Cree citizens of Russia), speculate with imported products - for a moment, imported from the capitalist countries. are there no enemies of socialism abroad? And if there are food products?
                You’ll break your head.
                Quote: tatra
                And under the justification of the myth of "equalization" in the USSR, they redistributed the incomes of the country and the people in their favor

                and so, egalitarianism under socialism is a myth.
                Well, that’s what I’m talking about.
                Quote: tatra
                they robbed the people of many social benefits

                you don’t even imagine what kind of social packages the workers have under capitalism.
                The USSR could not have dreamed of such a thing.
                1. tatra
                  tatra April 23 2020 11: 00 New
                  -1
                  Well again, meaningless verbiage. Not one of the enemies of socialism in the USSR is able to reach the level of supporters of socialism in terms of mentality and intellect, as well as in the results of the work. And all 70 years under the Soviet regime, and all 30 years after the capture of the USSR, the enemies of socialism have only stupid malignancy for their country and people AGAINST everything that the supporters of socialism did, FOR themselves, FOR what they themselves did for them there is nothing . Therefore, not one of them is able to honestly, objectively, discuss the history of their country.
              2. kalibr
                kalibr April 23 2020 12: 21 New
                -1
                Quote: tatra
                HARRY people low-quality and fake products

                I don’t know if you’re eating acrylamide chips. And I told him everything natural, fresh, tasty and expensive ... My own sausage maker, dairyman, cheesecake, rabbit farm, Healthy Food store - I don’t want to eat!
        2. Sergey Zhikharev
          Sergey Zhikharev April 23 2020 13: 22 New
          +1
          but from now on in more detail.

          However, at the end of 1916, the authorities, not daring to change, confined themselves to a plan for mass requisition of grain. The free purchase of bread was replaced by the surplus between the producers. The size of the attire was set by the chairperson of the special meeting in accordance with the yield and size of stocks, as well as the consumption standards of the province. Responsibility for the collection of bread was assigned to the provincial and district councils. Through local surveys, it was necessary to find out the right amount of bread, subtract it from the total attire for the county, and spread the rest between the volosts that were supposed to bring the size of the dress to every rural society. Distribution of orders by county councils should have been held by December 14, by December 20, outfits for the townships, those by December 24, for rural societies and, finally, by December each 31 every household should have known about their attire. The withdrawal was entrusted to the district authorities together with the ombudsmen.
          There is https://topwar.ru/94706-carskaya-prodrazverstka.html or https://arctus.livejournal.com/189201.html
          Of course, they also understood that it was better to feed the inhabitants of cities (which could simply throw them off). at the cost of the life of the peasants.

          even if so, what better is the kings who did the same? or capitalists who rake a colony?
          these are not the crimes of socialism; in the USSR, normal socialism never existed.
          These are the crimes of this communist gang, which for 70 years have been booming the people of Russia

          In this case,
          1. What was the regime in the USSR?
          2. Normal / true socialism and not the one in the USSR - is it good or bad?
          3 flights into space, won by the Second World War / WWII, electrification of the whole country, free education and medicine, an 8-hour working day, summer cottages, apartments, vouchers to sanatoriums, youth circles - these were all crimes of the communist gang (or there was nothing! )
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 47 New
          -1
          Quote: atalef
          these are not the crimes of socialism; in the USSR, normal socialism never existed.
          These are the crimes of this communist gang, which for 70 years have been booming the people of Russia

          Dumb when what? When provided universal education and access to affordable medicine? When did science and technology develop, did the economy move forward? When from the backward agrarian country, in spite of the most difficult conditions, she came out on the second place in the world in terms of economic power? Let’s save your unworthy snot for your brothers in mind. Nobody says that everything was perfect, but you already got it with your juggling.
      2. Carnifexx
        Carnifexx April 24 2020 21: 49 New
        -1
        Famine of the 20s, famine of 32-33, famine of 47 years. Apparently the USSR under Lenin and Stalin is a capitalist country. One hunger of the 47th beats any hunger with the damned king
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 April 25 2020 23: 55 New
          -1
          Quote: Carnifexx
          Famine of the 20s, famine of 32-33, famine of 47 years. Apparently the USSR under Lenin and Stalin is a capitalist country. One hunger of the 47th beats any hunger with the damned king

          The people had to pay such a price for the voyages of nobles in Europe and the squandering of fortunes in Nice and other monks. Because in the fabulous lost Russia, great hands from the ruling class slept through the industrial revolution. I had to catch up with the far-reaching capitalist powers. True, the evil irony of fate is that all these great sacrifices were made so that current generations would not be slaves and lackeys to be meaningless thanks to people like you who have merged all the results of the work of your ancestors for leftovers from the master's table.
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    2. Campanella
      Campanella April 23 2020 10: 09 New
      +2
      You have a strange view of evolutionary development. The world is not a constant, and even if we assume the "self-sufficiency" of capitalism, this does not make it invulnerable.
      And about the sacrifices we can say the child’s socialism in comparison with the sacrifices that capitalism made and brings to its altar.
      And the Soviet Union gave a loan, in contrast to capitalist Russia, which forgave all the accumulation of Russians in banks.
      1. tatra
        tatra April 23 2020 10: 28 New
        0
        In just 30 years after the capture of the USSR by the enemies of socialism, supermortality was as much as the external and internal enemies of socialism killed Soviet citizens. If in the Great Patriotic War, 14 million citizens of the RSFSR were killed, then after the seizure of the RSFSR by the enemies of socialism, the death rate was more than 14 million. And the enemies of socialism are real - only when they have no benefit to lie and hypocrite, and no matter how much they pretend to be "great philanthropists" in their slander against those from whom they took the USSR, - in relation to the people in the Russian Empire and the republics they captured USSR, they have proved their true inhuman nature.
      2. atalef
        atalef April 23 2020 10: 32 New
        -2
        Quote: Campanella
        And about the sacrifices we can say the child’s socialism in comparison with the sacrifices that capitalism made and brings to its altar.

        For the historical period that there was a social camp - namely, 70 years.
        the socialist ideology of Lenin and Mao is out of competition in terms of the number of victims.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 00: 01 New
          -1
          Quote: atalef
          For the historical period that there was a social camp - namely, 70 years.
          the socialist ideology of Lenin and Mao is out of competition in terms of the number of victims.

          Oh, how I look, you quickly fit into the market, I forgot thanks to whom the Jews died in Auschwitz. And yes, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yugoslavia were not bombed by the Communists. Another confirmation of the fact that Marxism categorically correctly describes the realities of our world.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 23 2020 10: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Courier
      China coped with the pandemic, but not with the economic consequences.
      Xi Jinping himself says the fight against poverty in China has failed.

      Failed at the moment, and after 10 years, or even earlier, the Chinese will achieve their goal. I remember China 30 years ago and China 3 years ago. Day and night.
    4. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs April 23 2020 17: 21 New
      +1
      Nonsense is not here. Here the adults say.
  • DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 23 2020 08: 53 New
    +8
    And the eternal battle. We only dream of peace. Dembel is inevitable, like the collapse of capitalism. Dembel saw. The collapse of capitalism has not seen.
  • Corundum
    Corundum April 23 2020 09: 07 New
    -5
    Well, opuses are created ... After COVID-19 everything will be much simpler. Those countries where the budget lived by plundering natural resources will run aground ... It is easy to guess which ones. And the EU, the USA will go through this phase easier.
    China is somehow not appropriate here, it can be called a successful version of socialism ... Although China is full of billionaires. Is socialism there?
    As an example of socialism, it is necessary to cite Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, or, well, or the once prematurely dead USSR.
    The USSR especially laughed as an example of successful problem solving. Famines 20x, 30x, 60x. The extermination of the people during dispossession, dissolving. Great terror, mediocre warfare where man was a consumable.
    Forever this is a stupid contrast between some kind of abstract capitalism and some kind of abstract socialism. Common sense in management. We apply the best experience. and do not apply the worst.
    And for God's sake, do not renounce National Socialism, one product from the Soviet initial period. There is a dictator and there .. There a man is killed there.
    The common thing that characterizes all socialisms is one-party system ... Or maybe a dictator is really better?
    You can’t get away with it, but better than capitalism and democracy, THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING ......
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 23 2020 09: 13 New
      +7
      Quote: Corundum
      it can be called a successful version of socialism ..

      Are you sure that socialism is in China?
    2. Campanella
      Campanella April 23 2020 10: 14 New
      +1
      Your opinion is extremely simple and naive judgments.
      Repeating propaganda cliches does not deepen your reasoning.
      They mixed everything that you know into a heap and concluded. Kindergarten, however.
      1. Corundum
        Corundum April 23 2020 10: 33 New
        -4
        You are like partisans in interrogation. If you disagree with your opponent about something, or you know more or have a different point of view, this should be done with facts and arguments, not abstract statements not on the topic, but towards the opponent.
      2. Campanella
        Campanella April 23 2020 15: 15 New
        0
        Specifically, it’s difficult, you have covered too much.
        Ask specifically, I will answer with pleasure.
  • ximkim
    ximkim April 23 2020 09: 11 New
    +1
    However, not everywhere ... The further, the louder the voices of those who undertake to assert: the current test, which has fallen to the lot of mankind, will become a verdict, first of all, to the bourgeois, capitalist order - both economic and social. However, is it so? Is the capitalist system waging the last battle? "Not so. It's not about the way and structure. The system will remain. And the point is not in the system, but who is at the helm. That's right. Here is the virus and showed who is at the helm and what he is doing.

    “Another question: could they have done it in principle? Where purely market interests are at the forefront, where government regulation is absent even in such critical areas as healthcare, the production of medicines and medical equipment, this is hardly possible. As it turned out, developed democracies do not at all contribute to many of the most important aspects of ensuring the security of citizens and the country. " Government regulation shows what interests him the most, with all the ensuing consequences.

    "So what? The world, having recovered from the pandemic and finding itself in the arms of the most severe crisis and recession, will unite under the red banners and set off to overthrow the exploiters in order to finally establish a society of true universal justice and security? Let's not rush." shkid (s)
  • Overlock
    Overlock April 23 2020 09: 12 New
    +6
    Will this be the last battle?

    will not be. There will be a transformation of capitalism and nothing more
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 00: 05 New
      -1
      So far, most likely yes. But the contradictions are growing. And sooner or later, capitalism will collapse under their burden.
  • bandabas
    bandabas April 23 2020 09: 13 New
    +1
    "Homo homini lupus est". With any social order.
    1. Carnifexx
      Carnifexx April 24 2020 21: 38 New
      -1
      Yes, under capitalism, man is a wolf to man, and under socialism, a comrade is a wolf.
  • Revolver
    Revolver April 23 2020 09: 16 New
    +1
    Firstly, I don’t know where, like in other countries, but in America the economy is still very far from collapse, like the health care system. Yes, there are interruptions with some goods, in particular, with toilet paper and cleaning and disinfecting agents, but nevertheless they appear on sale, and there is no need to give a paw to the "store director, tuvarologist, senior seller" so that they can be sold to you from under the counter "duftzite" (whoever found Raikin must remember).
    Secondly, without any socialism, the government of Trump's billionaire capitalist gave each adult taxpayer $ 1200, plus $ 500 for each of the children, as a stimulus package for the economy. Businesses also fell as compensation for the complication, and even temporary closure of these businesses.
    Thirdly, everyone is very angry with China, moreover, both the people and the government are unanimous in this. Not only did they overshadow the leak of the virus from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, they have not yet taken action or provided information. As a result, what could and should have become a local event became global. So it was the Chinese who set everyone up. And not only America, Europe is also, to put it mildly, unhappy with China. That was just the fact that when the epidemic was considered a purely Chinese problem, Italy sent them as humanitarian aid for free masks, equipment, and what else. And when it became sour in Italy itself, the Chinese SOLD them all this, not even repackaged, SOLD back, and even at exorbitant prices. And the fact that the West will have leverage on China, do not hesitate, so the Chinese will have to pay compensation, reparations, and other indemnities. If they pay and do not rock the boat, then Xi will be allowed to "save face", and if they rock the boat, then they can remain without a face.
    That's somehow it is seen from America.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 23 2020 09: 23 New
    +3
    The lack of planning, market freedoms, and much more that the modern world of victorious capitalism boasted about, suddenly turned out to be not good, but evil.
    This is good for the states, and evil for the whole world.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 23 2020 09: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The lack of planning, market freedoms, and much more that the modern world of victorious capitalism boasted about, suddenly turned out to be not good, but evil.
      This is good for the states, and evil for the whole world.

      I absolutely agree. There will be one beneficiary here and this is the USA.
  • Emphasis
    Emphasis April 23 2020 09: 31 New
    +2
    Rotting again? Again these cliches: to work daily for a piece of bread (and under what system is it not necessary to work hard, under socialism or what?), Under capitalism there are no social guarantees and help from the state (I immediately recall $ 1000 for US citizens and trillions of help to small businesses )
    With the fact that in China they orientated much faster, I fully agree and I must admit that the state has more opportunities there.
    But all this is what the capitalists say to die, since everything is too democratic is, in my opinion, stupid. It’s worth at least sorting out the list of capitalist countries.
    Decays capitalism decays but does not decay
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 23 2020 09: 39 New
      +1
      Not $ 1000, but $ 1200 for each taxpayer, plus $ 500 for each child. In general, remember, when writing the amount in dollars, the $ icon is placed before the number, and not after. And so everything is true.
      1. Emphasis
        Emphasis April 23 2020 10: 42 New
        +1
        Well, I’m not writing an article, it's just an exchange of views, and I doubt that the location of $ makes sense unclear. So don't be smart
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 10: 04 New
      +1
      Who is it that quickly oriented? China? Which at first was silent for a long time about the appearance of a new infection, as a result of which it began to spread across countries and continents? Who hid the outbreak of coronovirus from WHO?
      1. Emphasis
        Emphasis April 23 2020 10: 40 New
        0
        In fact, China is currently ready to withstand the virus as much as possible. Consider the population density at the epicenters of infection and the moment that the virus in Wuhan did not defeat by creating a vaccine and stupidly crushed it through isolation, identifying contact ones. And this is with their population density. Personally, I am impressed by the very moment of organization and organization in this country. It looks like an anthill.
        But in general, no doubt, China slipped the whole world. The real statistics were hidden, the borders were not closed, the virus was not localized. But for some reason, the world was simply not ready to react so sharply. No longer know
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 00: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: Accent
      under capitalism, there are no social guarantees and assistance from the state (they immediately recall $ 1000 for US citizens and trillions of assistance to small businesses).

      Yeah, and statements like 200 thousand dead to the glory of capitalism are norms. And you don’t flatter yourself there, all these trillions are at the expense of the rest of the world. And at your expense including.
  • Leo_59
    Leo_59 April 23 2020 09: 33 New
    +1
    Analytics section Accidentally caught a propaganda note?
    I was hoping to learn at least something useful in detail about China. Figwam.
    Comrades only rub their ears to red, continuing to stupidly discredit the idea itself.
    There are already a few examples of this isism.
    Cuba, an isolated, naturally heavenly place !, is still a symbol of freedom in poverty.
    In China, in the best case, there will be a re-education of their capitalists in the spirit of Confucianism, and they will just give shame for their deeds out of shame for their deeds;) who will ask the question? I believe that my close relatives;)
    Somehow it will be (after us).
    And in Russia - gas (be it wrong) ...
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 23 2020 09: 38 New
    +2
    Some forms of socialism can be afforded only by the very rich capitalist states. Poor states can cultivate socialism in themselves if they close their borders, and their population agrees to work for guaranteed rations.
    1. Crossbill
      Crossbill April 23 2020 10: 01 New
      +1
      Some kind of oxymoron .... You haven’t confused socialism and socially oriented capitalism for an hour?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov April 23 2020 10: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: Crossbill
        Some kind of oxymoron .... You haven’t confused socialism and socially oriented capitalism for an hour?

        The point is not in definitions, but in essence. I have lived almost half my life - 35 years under developed socialism and can quite compare the qualities and volumes of social benefits provided in the USSR and capitalist society.
        I repeat. Beggars cannot build socialism.
        I gave examples in due time, but I will repeat it again.
        The first kindergartens were created in Germany in the middle of the XIX century. The first state pension system was also created in Germany at the end of the 70th century. It was created at the initiative of the “iron chancellor” Otto von Bismarck for those “who cannot work due to age” - then people left for a well-deserved rest after XNUMX years.
        In 1916, despite the war, the retirement age in Germany was reduced to 65 years and remained so for almost 100 years.
        Following Germany, in 1891, Denmark introduced the pension system, in 1898 New Zealand, in 1908 Great Britain, and in 1910 France. It introduced compulsory pension insurance of employees for old age, disability and loss of breadwinner.

        Only in 1930, the USSR adopted the “Regulation on Pensions and Benefits for Social Insurance”, and in 1932, the legislatively established age for retirement was 55 years for women and 60 for men. Finally, the pension system in the Soviet Union was established only in 1956, together with the adoption of the law "On state pensions."

        I'm not talking about the notorious American food stamps - food stamps that are issued to citizens who have no income or have low income. This program worked in the 30s and 40s and began to work again in 1961 and is valid to this day.

        The classics of Marxism-Leninism taught us that "progressive socio-economic formations, as a result of the growth of the level of productive forces and the struggle of antagonistic classes, must replace the obsolete ones."
        This theory worked great. It was called "five-member" and according to the number of formations, in accordance with the prevailing production relations and forms of ownership, it was divided into:
        primitive communal;
        slaveholding;
        feudal;
        capitalist;
        communist.
        (In the five-term formational scheme, socialism was considered as the first phase of the highest — communist — social formation.)

        Indeed, the primitive communal system was replaced by a slave system. Spartacus could boldly lead his troops under the slogan "Long live feudalism - the bright future of mankind!", Because feudalism is more progressive than slavery, and so on. For the time being - for the time being, everything was in order.
        During the parallel coexistence of the capitalist and socialist systems, the latter positioned itself as an alternative to capitalism, was even attractive and had followers around the world. However, since the end of the 80s of the last century, this theory has been in a state of crisis, for capitalism theoretically should have been replaced by socialism, and then communism, but alas ...
        In other words, socialism rested in the Bose, communism was never born, and capitalism is doomed to perpetual decay, for there is no real replacement for it today. Dot. hi
        1. Crossbill
          Crossbill April 23 2020 11: 00 New
          -2
          You have laid a huge footcloth, but still haven’t told the main thing ... What is socialism .. For you, as a bright representative of the consumer society, the main thing is social goods .. But they are not the essence of socialism and they can be represented by capitalists .. And even some are free ..so that it’s to the point that we haven’t gotten yet ..
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov April 23 2020 11: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: Crossbill
            You have laid a huge footcloth, but still haven’t told the main thing ... What is socialism .. For you, as a bright representative of the consumer society, the main thing is social goods .. But they are not the essence of socialism and they can be represented by capitalists .. And even some are free ..so that it’s to the point that we haven’t gotten yet ..

            Well, enlighten me, a bright representative of the consumer society, for which social goods are the main thing, what is the essence of socialism in it?
            1. Crossbill
              Crossbill April 23 2020 11: 54 New
              -3
              Building a classless society with equal opportunities for all, public ownership of the means of production and, as a result, the lack of human exploitation by man .. How do you think, is this possible under capitalism?
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov April 23 2020 12: 16 New
                +5
                Quote: Crossbill
                Building a classless society with equal opportunities for all, public ownership of the means of production and, as a consequence, the lack of exploitation of man by man .. How do you think, is this possible under capitalism?

                As practice has shown, it was quite easy to socialize the means of production. First, they took away small mechanization (primitive seeders / winders and harrows), horses and cows from peasants. For that, private enterprise was banned. Buttons and laces for shoes also began to be produced exclusively by state-owned enterprises according to plans lowered from above and from material resources planned for the five-year plan. It turned out to be more difficult with a classless society. The workers and peasants did not want to mix. As an example, state farms, where workers came to work their shift for 7-8 hours, turned out to be extremely unproductive. The exploitation remained so exploitation, for the labor force does not make a difference for whom to work. She must bring home something for which they will buy food and rags - a shame to cover up. True, she was constantly told that they live in the most wonderful society, that all the money they earned but not received goes not to the bottomless pockets of the capitalists, but exclusively to them. I, of course, exaggerate, for simplicity. With all this, as I already said, such "good socialism" was covered with a copper basin, and such "bad capitalism" still exists today.
                1. Crossbill
                  Crossbill April 23 2020 13: 13 New
                  -3
                  Thank you, I haven’t laughed like that for a long time !!! Well now, in essence .. Who took it from the peasants and gave it to whom? workers on state farms? State farms and collective farms differed only in the form of ownership. Who exploited in the USSR and appropriated surplus value?
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 12: 45 New
            +1
            For any person, it is social benefits that are important. Sitting hungry but armed with the most advanced idea is not the best option. You won’t spread the idea of ​​bread.
            1. Crossbill
              Crossbill April 23 2020 13: 20 New
              0
              It’s important for any person to be a person, to be able to fulfill their potential and to have confidence in the future, as well as to be sure that some uncle will not appropriate the result of his work, but he will receive it in the form of salary and various social benefits .. And you, I as I understand it, in the USSR they went in rags, ate only quinoa, didn’t see anything sweeter than carrots, and they heard about meat and sausage only from the stories of my grandmother about the times of the tsar-priest ..
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 13: 30 New
                +3
                I didn’t go to rags, although I donated for children's things for older brothers (my children don’t). For meat and sausage I went to Leningrad - 5 hours by train in one direction. I didn’t eat Lebedu, but our diet did not differ in special variety. Those bananas were a curiosity, but a lot of things were curiosity. Better inequality in wealth than equality in poverty.
                1. Crossbill
                  Crossbill April 23 2020 13: 43 New
                  -1
                  And with inequality in wealth, you, naturally, see yourself as a rich man ... From sums and from prison, as they say ....
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 13: 46 New
                    +2
                    In inequality in wealth, there is the possibility of becoming wealthy, a very real possibility. In the equality of poverty it is not, you can not even promise. The same sum for everyone, without the possibility of rising from this sum.
                    1. Crossbill
                      Crossbill April 23 2020 13: 59 New
                      -1
                      Well, you gave two models of the capitalist state as an example. This has nothing to do with the USSR. The overwhelming majority were the middle class. And not Putin's with an income of 17 tyrov, but the real one ...
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 14: 06 New
                        +2
                        The middle class also means having property. For example, for real estate, which in the USSR simply did not exist. How many cars did the Soviet "middle class" have and what quality were they? Continuous restrictions in everything: from the footage of the living space to the size of the personal plot and the size of the country house. What was considered the middle class in the USSR, in the same Finland, was poverty on the verge of poverty.
                      2. Crossbill
                        Crossbill April 23 2020 14: 16 New
                        0
                        You certainly lived in the USSR? Apartments, villas, personal plots, cars, motorcycles, boats and boats is that not property? In Finland, what is your evidence?
                      3. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 14: 30 New
                        +1
                        Apartments in the USSR were state property. You could neither buy, nor sell, nor bequeath, nor give. You rented them for life. Was there a lot of cars in the USSR in private use? In Finland: it exceeded the USSR by more than 4 times in the number of cars per capita. Next: land. 6 acres and all? Cottage no more than a certain footage? The ban on commodity production on your own site? The total shortage of goods in stores, and those goods that were free, were of very dubious quality. There was money, but there was nothing to freely go and just buy it. Cars by appointment, the best quality motorcycles too. And the turn to receive housing, especially in large cities, was a byword.
                      4. Crossbill
                        Crossbill April 23 2020 14: 54 New
                        -2
                        Nonsense .. It was impossible to sell apartments, and rightly so, but it could be changed .. And if it’s cooperative, then sell it to your health. continued to live in it? The number of cars grew steadily. Besides cars, what else is Finland? A deficit arose in the second half of the 70s, but this was not due to the social management system, but because of illiterate leadership .. Everything could be improved. Quality the products, as well as around the world, were different .. The quality of the products, for us outside Russia is unattainable .. And now there are no queues .. For the vast majority, sheer hopelessness and, at best, credit slavery ..
                      5. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 14: 58 New
                        +2
                        It could be corrected, no doubt about it. It was enough to accept the Kosygin-Lieberman reforms, about which Deng Xiaoping said: "If the" Kosygin "reforms were successful, China would probably learn from the USSR again." But this is a return to capitalism, market relations. No way. Inert communist ideology.
                      6. Crossbill
                        Crossbill April 23 2020 15: 02 New
                        -2
                        No, no ... It was enough to return to the Stalinist multistructure economy.
                      7. Crossbill
                        Crossbill April 23 2020 15: 03 New
                        -2
                        And China for these plr would learn from the USSR
              2. Crossbill
                Crossbill April 23 2020 14: 21 New
                -1
                And under capitalism, everyone lives in three-story mansions, has a ranch of at least 1000 acres and its own garage of bentley and jaguars.
              3. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 14: 43 New
                +2
                Why Bentley at once? From personal experience: my friend, a regular bus driver. An apartment of 110 squares on the outskirts of Turku, a country cottage and two cars in the Volvo and Subaru family. He and his wife live together, adult children. Not businessmen, both are self-employed.
              4. Crossbill
                Crossbill April 23 2020 14: 56 New
                -2
                What did he have not now, but about 40 years ago?
              5. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 15: 19 New
                +2
                About the same thing would be. They lived better than us in the 70s and 80s. And much better.
              6. Crossbill
                Crossbill April 23 2020 15: 52 New
                -1
                Let's just say that they lived well and to a large extent thanks to the USSR. And to compare them and we are not comme il faut))
      2. strannik1985
        strannik1985 April 23 2020 14: 39 New
        +1
        The middle class is also the presence of property.

        In a market economy, and since the economy is planned, the criteria are different.
      3. Crossbill
        Crossbill April 23 2020 14: 59 New
        -1
        Well, you can even compare))) Apologists for caritalism still have nothing to catch))
  • strannik1985
    strannik1985 April 23 2020 14: 41 New
    0
    Better inequality in wealth than equality in poverty.

    When comparing systems, put them in the same conditions wink
  • savage1976
    savage1976 April 23 2020 11: 59 New
    +1
    We also forgot to add that the Bolsheviks' primacy in providing women with maternity leave, universal free education, is no more than plagiarism of the same ideas of capitalism embodied in reality by German capitalism of the late 19th century.
  • Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs April 23 2020 17: 28 New
    0
    There is a replacement. Not true. But this is not for us parasites. For parasites only "wild jungle". For the society of Man, just communism. But here, alas, problems. Every family has its black sheep." Not yet for a higher mind. The state has attempts of "higher reason", but it will not exterminate the parasites.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 00: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: A. Privalov
    I repeat. Beggars cannot build socialism.

    Correctly. Exactly.
    Quote: A. Privalov
    However, since the end of the 80s of the last century, this theory has been in a state of crisis, for capitalism should theoretically be replaced by socialism, and then communism, but alas ...
    In other words, socialism rested in the Bose, communism was never born, and capitalism is doomed to perpetual decay, for there is no real replacement for it today. Dot.

    But this is wrong. The fact that there was a rollback to capitalism does not mean the final death of socialism and the final victory of capitalism. If you look, you can clearly see that the very structure of the modern economy ceases to fit into the framework of capitalism. Yes, actually you actually confirm this with your own examples. In principle, all this was visible at the beginning of the last century. But it turned out how it happened. capitalism turned out to be somewhat more tenacious, and man is somewhat more stupid and his consciousness is much more inert than was supposed by the Marxists.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov April 26 2020 07: 23 New
      0
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      capitalism turned out to be somewhat more tenacious, and man is somewhat more stupid and his consciousness is much more inert than was supposed by the Marxists.
      ь

      In other words, be smarter and more conscious ....
      In this case, by the end of the 20th century, people sharply stupid and consciousness fell. And all over the world. The great Soviet people disappeared in orderly steps towards communism, and after it the entire social camp. The last Marxists are running through the jungle with machine guns. I also remember the Olpot Marxists and I don’t want such socialism. No other is foreseen. So, for the time being, there is no alternative to capitalism.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 10: 42 New
        0
        Quote: A. Privalov
        I also remember the Olpot Marxists and I don’t want such socialism.

        And I do not want capitalism of the beginning of the 20th century. To which the planet is slowly rolling.
        Quote: A. Privalov
        In this case, by the end of the 20th century, people sharply stupid and consciousness fell.

        I would not say that. It seems to me a little more complicated. Most likely they didn’t get much smarter. But everything has its time. The aggravation of contradictions in capitalism will sooner or later do its job.
  • apro
    apro April 23 2020 11: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Some forms of socialism can be afforded only by the very rich capitalist states.

    Not to allow ... but forced to agree. Under the pressure of the class struggle. In various forms.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov April 23 2020 11: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: apro
      Not to allow ... but forced to agree. Under the pressure of the class struggle. In various forms.

      On the poor - push / not push there will be little sense. What is true can be taken from the rich and divided among the poor. The method works great, though not very long, as long as there is something and who to take from. At the same time, these same selectors, sharers and distributors live best of all. Problems begin after these two components end. But even then, there is someone to blame for the situation. Examples are available.
      1. apro
        apro April 23 2020 11: 49 New
        0
        Quote: A. Privalov
        What is true can be taken from the rich and divided among the poor.

        I didn’t understand your comment. I understand that you wrote that rich capitalist states fulfill some social and economic obligations to the population out of kindness? Or did you have a different sense of what was written?
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov April 23 2020 11: 59 New
          +5
          Kindness is just a figure of speech. Neither touch it, nor smell it, nor spread it on bread. Capitalists, like socialists, "fulfill certain social and economic obligations to the population," solely in order to maintain the "main production forces" in the minimum proper order.
          Example. Henry Ford, at the beginning of the 20th century, started kindergartens and nurseries at his enterprises. They performed exactly the same function as nurseries and kindergartens, which in 30 years will appear in the USSR - children do not distract parents from work for the capitalist and socialist.
          1. apro
            apro April 23 2020 12: 15 New
            0
            Is the capitalist first of all thinking about profit ... or is it somewhat different for you? Secondly, there is such a good phrase ... there are many of you behind the fence. And why should the capitalist raise his salary? Pay to social funds? Or maybe the strike movement pushed him to this? Mass unions? Maybe the class of wage workers organized and began to demand an improvement in their lives?
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov April 23 2020 12: 28 New
              +5
              Quote: apro
              Is the capitalist first of all thinking about profit ... or is it somewhat different for you? Secondly, there is such a good phrase ... there are many of you behind the fence. And why should the capitalist raise his salary? Pay to social funds? Or maybe the strike movement pushed him to this? Mass unions? Maybe the class of wage workers organized and began to demand an improvement in their lives?

              Everyone thinks about profit - both socialists and capitalists.
              People at any really existing social order will try to improve their lives. An example of this is the events in Novocherkassk in the 60s of the last century, brutally suppressed by the government, riots in Temirtau (1959), Krasnodar (1961), etc.
              1. apro
                apro April 23 2020 12: 49 New
                0
                The capitalists think about profit. The socialists think a little bit differently ... the capitalist thinks how good I will be. The socialist thinks that society will be fine.
                Yes, your statement turns out to be somewhat of nothing ..
                Yes, Mr. Privalov ... you can’t do without anti-war. Work obliges.
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov April 23 2020 13: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: apro
                  Yes, Mr. Privalov ... you can’t do without anti-war. Work obliges.

                  Do I understand correctly that on the merits of the question you have nothing more to add?
                  1. apro
                    apro April 23 2020 13: 33 New
                    +1
                    You see, your statement on humanistic capitalism is somewhat misleading ...
                2. kalibr
                  kalibr April 23 2020 13: 28 New
                  -1
                  Quote: apro
                  the socialist thinks that society will be fine.

                  So our socialists thought, thought ... thought ... and the year 1991 came.
                  1. apro
                    apro April 23 2020 13: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Here are our socialists

                    For more details please ... with a roll-call list ...
                    1. kalibr
                      kalibr April 23 2020 15: 51 New
                      -1
                      Quote: apro
                      For more details please ... with a roll-call list ...

                      Lists of the Politburo for different years are on the Web
                  2. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 00: 21 New
                    -1
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Quote: apro
                    the socialist thinks that society will be fine.

                    So our socialists thought, thought ... thought ... and the year 1991 came.

                    Sucks means thought if you thought at all. By the way, this also concerns you.
                    1. kalibr
                      kalibr April 26 2020 07: 47 New
                      0
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      By the way, this also concerns you.

                      Private does what they order. I have to do well and I did everything well. Did not help!
                    2. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 10: 55 New
                      0
                      Clear. Well, and what kind of communism were you going to build with this approach? Communism is about free people with a new social consciousness. You have some kind of dense feudalism turns out to be in your head. And a hut from the edge.
              2. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 13: 40 New
                +2
                Any economy works for profit reasons. The capitalist, for example, benefits from the high purchasing power of the population - this provides him with sales. The socialist planned economy by sales is not very motivated - eat what they give, hence the massive shortages.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir April 23 2020 15: 06 New
                  +1
                  The capitalist, for example, benefits from the high purchasing power of the population - this provides him with sales.
                  That is, the capitalists are interested in making the people (buyers) wealthier?
                  eat what they give
                  There were two socialisms in the country, and we all remember the second. But I still saw the shelves of Stalinist socialism, despite the fact that Stalin had long been gone.
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 15: 17 New
                    +2
                    The capitalist is interested in the consumer. A beggar cannot be a consumer, therefore, as it does not seem strange, it is beneficial for them to make the people rich. Otherwise, they themselves will become poor. And I do not remember Stalinist socialism, I was born under Khrushchev and I remember very well the Brezhnev-style socialism. When any decent goods were not bought, but mined.
                  2. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 00: 26 New
                    -1
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    The capitalist is interested in the consumer.

                    The capitalist is interested in profit, not figs here to breed demagogy.
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    A beggar cannot be a consumer,

                    so let's cram him loans out of surplus value squeezed out of him.
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    And I do not remember Stalinist socialism, I was born under Khrushchev and I remember very well the Brezhnev-style socialism. When any decent goods were not bought, but mined.

                    Well so it was already in fact at the end of socialism. When the country was already slowly rolling towards capitalism.
                  3. kalibr
                    kalibr April 26 2020 07: 49 New
                    0
                    It slowly lasted 30 years! 61 to 91st
              3. Tycoon
                Tycoon April 26 2020 11: 10 New
                -2
                counters of Stalinist socialism ??? specify in which city you saw them ???? in Lviv, for example, white bread normally could be bought only from the 60s .....
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs April 23 2020 17: 32 New
      +1
      And where did you "hide" the surplus value (in this opus)? Because of which Ford started the gardens ...
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 10: 48 New
    0
    Quote: A. Privalov
    What is true can be taken from the rich and divided among the poor.

    Do not slip into primitive demagogy and vulgar Marxism. In fact, it turns out just the opposite, under capitalism, 10 percent take and share among themselves the results of the remaining 90 percent. Otherwise, how to explain, for example, the fact that with an increase in labor productivity we get an ever-increasing inequality in welfare.
  • tatra
    tatra April 23 2020 09: 44 New
    +7
    Capitalism, vaunted by the enemies of socialism, is when the huge money that under socialism in the USSR went to the development, maintenance of the country, more social benefits to the people go into the bottomless pockets of the capitalists, and with constantly recurring economic crises, the capitalists' economy collapses, they throw people out of work, and the capitalists run to the State to beg for "donate money".
    Well, the enemies of socialism in the USSR did not have capitalism, but HALYAVA and their parasitism due to the results of socialism, the massive export of natural resources, handouts of the West. And they are afraid to honestly compare the results of socialism in the USSR and the results without socialism in the last 30 years. .
    1. unaha
      unaha April 23 2020 13: 30 New
      -2
      The result is and it is very simple, socialism in a viable practical implementation - no, capitalism - is.
      In a number of aspects, the USSR made serious positive achievements, such as universal education, healthcare, etc. But talking about their free is only in relation to consumers. There is nothing free))) everything costs some resources. Lost the economic model, tied to ideology.
      1. tatra
        tatra April 23 2020 14: 31 New
        +3
        Stupidity. Socialism under Soviet power existed from 1922 - after the relative end of the Civil War - until yours, enemies of socialism, Perestroika, and minus the war unleashed by you, external and internal enemies of socialism in 1941, and the restoration after it, socialism had only 30-35 years for development during the period of economic and information war unleashed by external enemies. And during this period, socialism created the best state - both in development, and for the majority of the people - what the Russian Empire was, your degraded, impoverished, dying out "independence" on the territory of the USSR you captured, and what percentage of the capitalist countries of the world.
        1. unaha
          unaha April 23 2020 16: 28 New
          0
          "And during this period, socialism created the best state - both in terms of development, and for the majority of the people - what the Russian Empire was" - so I don't even argue. But then what? Where is he? Who defended him in 91?
          I'm talking about something else. The particularities of the political and economic model made further development not impossible, but not corresponding to requirements and realities. A critical lag in development (and it is not necessary about individual industries - in general) from the most developed countries (and they also did not stand still, including due to the presence of an alternative civilizational model) led to what happened. And these are not some enemies, but the inability to quickly adapt to reality. Do not remember the panopticon of the Central Committee?
          1. tatra
            tatra April 23 2020 16: 57 New
            0
            So, the enemies of socialism on the territory of the USSR make the highest demands to the supporters of socialism, reaching the point of complete absurdity, but you don't have the slightest demands on YOURSELF. All of you cowardly "have nothing" to do with responsibility for the results of your well-paid work after your capture of Russia / USSR.
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs April 23 2020 17: 33 New
        0
        Are you ten years old?
    2. Carnifexx
      Carnifexx April 24 2020 21: 30 New
      -1
      The fact that you are so belittling capitalism harms you. The problem is that capitalism is on horseback, and socialism is not at all. The problem is that apocalyptic scenarios, screams of the collapse of capitalism during ANY crisis lead to shattered expectations and discredit of those who bury capitalism (in particular, you). In capitalist countries, money from the bottomless pockets of capitalists went to the development of technology (also went to yachts and girls). I'm not talking about Gagarin, etc. (but here the USA has something to cover - Apollo), but about innovation, about the standard of living.
      I'm not afraid, I'm comparing.
  • Unic
    Unic April 23 2020 09: 52 New
    +1
    True creators and owners made this mess. An extremely naive look at the events taking place. There is enough evidence in favor of the non-accidental appearance of the coronavirus. And who said that with the current quality of national elites, with societies shared by internal contradictions (religious, national, material factors, etc.), and already sufficiently high capabilities of technical control and management of the human masses, a crisis situation is the right path to socialism? On the contrary, we get a real "flaming delta" with slaves at the very bottom, and of course, "celestials" at the very top of the pyramid. Only time will tell whether they will succeed or not. But all religious scenarios are subordinated to this task and historical events are built in a certain And I want to write to people ionizing over "conspiracy theories" .. There are no theories, all human history is one continuous practice of these conspiracies. And it is written in blood. Open any history textbook. Any.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 23 2020 10: 02 New
    +2
    Everything is clear that nothing is clear how it will continue to happen.
    One thing is clear that we need to unite around the idea .....
    It is not clear whether we will unite around what idea ???
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 23 2020 10: 16 New
    -1
    That again we were stupid to use "The King's Last Argument"? Come on, God and the Power of the Cross are with us?
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 23 2020 10: 29 New
    +2
    From battle to battle, and every battle is the last!
    As long as there is life on earth, there will always be a reason for a fight.
    Fighters for their vision of life are being thrown into the world stage, generation after generation. And this vision is formed gradually in various ways and with various stimuli. So life is a permanent struggle for a place under the sun, as the classics said, this is our everything.
    Seneca also said, "To live is to fight!"
  • alone
    alone April 23 2020 10: 31 New
    0
    After a pandemic, after small and medium-sized businesses suffer huge losses (most of these enterprises simply close), large syndicates will control all capital ..
    Maybe someone will give a fight to capitalism, but this is definitely not the Communist Party .. In recent years, the top of the Communist Party only assent to the authorities ....
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs April 23 2020 17: 35 New
      0
      It was necessary so to go wrong with Grudinin's foreign accounts.
  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion April 23 2020 10: 38 New
    0
    . What monster the global capitalist system mortally wounded by a pandemic can give rise to today can only be guessed.

    In the worst case, it can give rise to a world war for agricultural resources and territories.
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo April 23 2020 12: 05 New
    -1
    The author claims:
    «First of all, perhaps, because they appeal to the most, to put it mildly, mundane and, therefore, persistent human instincts. The cult of consumption, individualism, freedom, which, in essence, is a rejection of any moral principles and prohibitions ... What is there to hide, all this easily resonates with human souls».

    Let me disagree.
    Capitalism appeals not so much to the thirst for profit, consumption and so on, but to the possibility of a person to self-actualize during his, quite frankly, very short life.
    Yes, this possibility is much ephemeral. Yes, this opportunity, with developed capitalism and the "old" market, is ephemeral in the square, because all the "tasty" directions of development have long been occupied. BUT! K. and its basis-foundations - private property, in some historical segments, gives the average person real opportunities to "rise". Moreover, due to their labor, hands and head. There are plenty of examples of this, not only from the early stages of Kazakhstan, but also from the present - even our, domestic companies, which rode the wave of the information revolution of the end of the last century, are quite enough, let alone foreign countries - ambitious, hardworking, young millionaires - the visiting card of those years . True, basically “there”, we have a portrait of these “young” millionaires, for the most part different, although the situation, fortunately, is changing somewhat - the laws of social development take their toll.
    By the way, about the thirst for profit. Yes, of course, people love money, especially if they have something to buy. Yes, people love fame, individualism, freedom, and this, you know, is normal. Nevertheless, I want to draw attention to the fact that among real entrepreneurs there are very few who, having earned (!) Their first million, are revered on their laurels. They, as a rule, are engaged in some other, no less interesting business, and do not skip their profits. That is, these are business people. Very valuable people.
    I also want to say a few words about "socialist China." First, it is not Socialist — it is the country in which the developed state capital is built. This means that any (!) Large corporation is directly tied to the state and, as a rule, these corporations are headed by members of the CPC. That is, China has put the capitalist mode of production at the service of the CCP. But this does not make the country Socialist. Second, China is a separate civilization, alien to us as much as we, with our views, seem strange to some African tribe. A specific philosophy - Confucianism - turns their state into a huge family and yet yes, they will succeed and will succeed in the future, but the question is - do we, the inhabitants of Russia, want to live like this? Can we? I don’t think so.
    I’m far from glorifying K., but it must be admitted that it was K. who provided the countries of the West with a deafening superiority over the whole other world and firmly established them on a pedestal that was slightly squinty, but still strong, and it wasn’t necessary to wait for K. to “resolve itself” "- this will never happen, because as long as there are layers of society for which K. is beneficial - he will live.
    Another thing is that K. is not eternal. Like any socio-political formation of Kazakhstan, the country is changing, the country is reviving, the social thought of which will understand in time and realize K.'s gradual transformation into something better, preserving its dignity, but devoid of birthmarks, and will become the "mistress of the sea" on our "ball "Years for 200 - 300.
    I think so.
    1. Unic
      Unic April 23 2020 12: 21 New
      +3
      The inviolability of private property, the secrecy of bank deposits and the lack of censorship .. Where did it all go? Perhaps the power of capital has disappeared? Or maybe, on the contrary, the alternatives to this power of capital are becoming more and more illusive, and there is no longer a need for a beautiful display case and its essence is visible ..
      1. unaha
        unaha April 23 2020 13: 37 New
        +3
        Perhaps a farewell "gift" to the USSR? While there was a civilizational alternative, it was necessary to maintain a reputation. There was no alternative, there was no need either. The stratification in the United States began to grow actively, like exactly after the collapse of the USSR, and now it is almost twice the minimum recorded in 1968.
        Lack of competition is very bad. And for everyone, including the "winners".
        1. Unic
          Unic April 23 2020 14: 14 New
          +1
          I agree, it is.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 23 2020 12: 12 New
    -2
    Too pathetic.
    And why is the "global capitalist system mortally wounded by the pandemic" ???

    She has been "mortally wounded" in the media for 30 years

    Specifically: the poor Rogozin only has a salary of 600% profit (6 salaries of experienced astronauts).
    And what can be done with it? never mind. But he is one of the poorest oligarchs.
    With Serdyuv from the Moscow Region, Rostec, grew aviation and grew helicopter? also nothing (official family income 2.5 million rubles a day. Was. 2 years ago)
    With Miller? With Secheny?

    So not "The last battle of capitalism", but "hardening of capitalism."
    Taxes, prices, P. age - all raised, now we will raise the virus.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 13: 51 New
      +1
      Where is Rogozin the oligarch? This is a civil servant. The oligarch is an entrepreneur, a big businessman.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 23 2020 14: 06 New
        +1
        For a certain public, anyone who "held the tanks" is an oligarch laughing
      2. Crossbill
        Crossbill April 23 2020 16: 07 New
        +2
        They swam, we know .. They are simple civil servants .. They live only on a salary. But their wives, children, friends, they’re just as talented as businessmen ... And they didn’t go down in earnest, as soon as the first ones got into positions .. But this so ... coincidence ...
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 16: 12 New
          +1
          I, too, did not try to attach my children to the wipers.
          1. Crossbill
            Crossbill April 23 2020 16: 27 New
            +1
            Directly to the directors of plants and factories moved?
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 16: 30 New
              0
              There would be such an opportunity - moved.
              1. Crossbill
                Crossbill April 23 2020 16: 37 New
                +1
                Great times ... Great social lifts .. Do you yourself all this is not disgusting?
      3. Maks1995
        Maks1995 April 23 2020 16: 15 New
        0
        You have played a bike from Chubais.
        The modern oligarch, especially in his native State Capitalism, is the person who controls the money. formally may not own (funds, funds then what?)

        Chubais, Miller, Sechin and many others - these are all government officials, directors of state enterprises ....
        Yesterday he is an Official - like Usmanov or Serdyukov, and today, like yours, he is a "big businessman.", And tomorrow - a deputy and a senator, and only the day after tomorrow .......

        Civil servant say? How is Arashukov?
  • cniza
    cniza April 23 2020 12: 18 New
    +5
    And this battle may be worse than the battle with the coronavirus. Will this be the last battle? You need to wait to draw conclusions.


    I still don’t understand, is it a battle, or should I wait?
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 23 2020 13: 02 New
    +2
    China and socialism? lol
    A country where not everyone receives a pension (the highest are from bureaucrats from the party apparatus and top management of transnational corporations, the lowest are from peasants - 42% of the population of the Middle Kingdom, from 125 yuan per month), where the People’s name is a professional army and besides a monopoly CCP on power and symbolism, from socialism zilch? laughing
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 13: 53 New
      +1
      Well, what socialism is in a country where private ownership of the means of production exists? Moreover, a large property.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 23 2020 14: 16 New
        -1
        This is understandable ... but not specifically mentioned, since the goal of the most zealous agitators of "socialism" is to advance the Communist Party of the Russian Federation or something like that to power, focused on usurping the rule of modern, capitalist Russia. China will be a role model fellow - oligarchs under the roof of the Communists.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 14: 19 New
          +2
          Are the oligarchs communists? Oxymoron, don’t you?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 23 2020 14: 37 New
            -1
            The oligarchs under the roof of the Communists - the ruling party, the only
            The oligarchs work, the communists (elite) do not live in poverty, at the same time the state is doing well - employment, participation of corporations in national projects, probably not voluntary, etc.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 14: 39 New
              +1
              So they from the roof will immediately move to the ruling seats!
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 23 2020 14: 43 New
                0
                By joining the Communist Party and nationalizing your Ali Express, for example? laughing
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 14: 52 New
                  +1
                  Ren Zhengfei, founder and, until recently, director of Huawei, is a high-ranking member of the CCP.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 23 2020 15: 12 New
                    0
                    So - quick successor laughing Moreover, if a senior - and you answered your question about the communist oligarchs hi
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 23 2020 13: 58 New
    +1
    If this is not the last day of capitalism, then he will make concessions, that's for sure. Why people of the world do not understand people who lived under socialism. They consider the relative equality in which we lived a lie. For they themselves did not live a single day. The worst variant of capitalism is still Nazi Germany. Capitalism is diverse. These are dictatorships, police states, and relatively free. Much depends on the mentality of the people. Sweden. Olof Palme died after going to the movies with his wife. Even Brezhnev can be imagined. Reagan, anyone without bodyguards? No one even knows how to treat coronavirus (and if there are funds, then this is fake), but what about the device after the epidemic?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 16: 06 New
      -1
      Nazi Germany? For others - yes, for their citizens this is far from the case. Hitler forced industrialists to pay attention to the needs of workers, to allocate finances for the social sphere, and to raise wages. He subordinated the interests of the oligarchs to the needs of the state and even made them work according to a four-year plan. Here Hitler acted as a socialist.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 00: 33 New
        -1
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Here Hitler acted as a socialist.

        Remind you where this "socialist" brought Germany?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 26 2020 11: 48 New
          +1
          To collapse. There, where the communist Gorbachev brought the USSR.
    2. Shadow
      Shadow April 23 2020 16: 22 New
      0
      Why do people of the world do not understand people who lived under socialism.

      What does a person usually mean when he says "freedom"? - Autocracy.
      A person would rather agree to stand on the second from the bottom of ten steps, rather than the only one for all.
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 23 2020 15: 43 New
    +1
    Will this be the last battle? You need to wait to draw conclusions
    .... No, a consumer society has been created in the world .. Give the consumer low loans, monetary compensation, a couple of three more "nishtyaks", which can be deprived, without damage later, with the stabilization of the economy, and everything will fall into place ... Remember , words of Nekrasov (hf Two comrades served) Feed then, feed, but how can we remake the brains? It will take a lot of time ... But how to remake them? In Europe, trade unions like to rise to the fight, but the fight for what, for getting additional "goodies", and not for the abolition of private ownership of the means of production ... Alas, I'm not afraid of this word, the world proletariat today has something to lose .., except for the chains of slavery ... If a party appears that will lead the country to a bright future, first of all, it must have a real economic program that will be able to solve those problems that will arise instantly, after this party comes to power and announces that will build socialism ... Will the entire population of the country accept this idea?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 23 2020 16: 10 New
      -1
      Why abolish private ownership of the means of production? To come, in the end, to a society of general deficit? It is enough to raise salaries, allocate money for the social sector and yes - cheap loans, especially to small and medium-sized businesses.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 00: 34 New
        0
        Are you definitely a capitalist? They don't seem so stupid.
  • Shadow
    Shadow April 23 2020 16: 10 New
    -1
    Behind the words "capitalism" and "socialism" there are only insignificant and formal differences of several paragraphs and declarations, which simply project the same human nature from different angles onto the plane of social structure and economic order. The desire of these nice little homosapiens to devour their neighbor does not disappear anywhere: only one insists on his right to eat everyone, and the other demands from his neighbors to give him a piece of his body. What a system do not name, but from changing the signboard, the natural craving for social cannibalism will not evaporate, and in the end people will still come to one thing: measuring belly, spitting on each other, permanent squabbling and modeling of bohemian idols from mud.
  • Malibu
    Malibu April 23 2020 17: 29 New
    +2
    After the USSR collapsed and Russia became a capitalist "democratic" I don't remember more than one year of stability .. Eternal crises, inflation, unemployment, etc.
    And I remember the gentlemen of neolibrary, we were promised paradise and freedom .. 30 years have passed, where is everything? I remember Soviet Russia over the past 20 years has overcome the devastation after the civil war, the fight against illiteracy, electrification, industrialization, and this is without oil and gas and in complete blockade ..
    The people of Russia deceived us and harshly ..
    Eat pineapples, grouse chew, your last day comes bourgeois ..
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan April 23 2020 17: 39 New
      -3
      Nobody cheated. A wonderful time has come when you need to work.
      1. Malibu
        Malibu April 23 2020 19: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Ronald Reagan
        Nobody cheated. A wonderful time has come when you need to work.

        In the US, as I understand it by your nickname Reagan ..))) Well, well .. Let's see!
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 00: 37 New
        -1
        Quote: Ronald Reagan
        Nobody cheated. A wonderful time has come when you need to work.

        And before it was not necessary? Did everything fall from the sky? Do you think everyone forgot about your lies thirty years ago?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 00: 42 New
          0
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Do you think everyone forgot about your lies thirty years ago?

          Reagan generally suffered from sclerosis. I forgot everything. laughing I remember how in the 86th year they with Gorby vouched.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 26 2020 10: 05 New
          +2
          Soviet Union: we pretended to work, we pretended to pay. Labor productivity in the USSR was several times lower than in developed countries.
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  • Tomich3
    Tomich3 April 23 2020 19: 15 New
    -3
    When does VO stop skipping these articles? The next nonsense ..
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay April 24 2020 09: 17 New
      -1
      Another graphomaniac demagoguery on the theme of left revenge. And a herd of couch "revolutionaries" in the comments ...
      One "comrade" was especially delighted; on a blue eye, he compared Lenin in importance to the windbag diplomat of the Kozyrev era, Platoshkin, and the Natsik-grant-eater Navalny.
      And after all, he did not jump anywhere from such indecency ...
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 23 2020 21: 39 New
    0
    Yes, our weaknesses, their strength. Human nature is the enemy of a weak man and a strong friend. But where can we get so many so that we can change the world and the country for the better?
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket April 23 2020 22: 21 New
    -4
    I drink liberal Blood ... It pours itself into my mouth like birch sap ...
  • Carnifexx
    Carnifexx April 24 2020 21: 12 New
    -1
    God, again ... again, the end of capitalism, again capitalism will collapse. As well as with the onset of the Economic Crisis of 1900-1903, the Great Depression, the oil crisis of the 73rd, the Asian Financial Crisis and the Great Recessions. Inhale, exhale. It is quite painful to read such articles. A lot of ideology, a lot of panic and no science. Read Capitalism as It Is ”(Capitalism, Alone) by Branko Milanovic.
  • Azis
    Azis April 24 2020 21: 55 New
    +1
    This is for a long time. If in Shoiguland in the TEMPLE (!) They sculpt this:
    And Stalin, bashfully, somewhere in the background.
    I wonder who will be on the left?
  • Tycoon
    Tycoon April 25 2020 07: 26 New
    -1
    Communism and its variations for 100 years proved its incapacity, capitalism and its variations for several hundred years showed its ability to develop and respond to world changes .....

    Or, as always, the capitalists are to blame for all the individual’s problems ?????
  • Tycoon
    Tycoon April 25 2020 07: 28 New
    -1
    Incidentally, the Military Review must be renamed Political Review ...... Such nonsense as this article has not read for a long time - only Comrade Samsonov is cooler
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 26 2020 10: 56 New
      +1
      War is the continuation of politics.
  • indy424
    indy424 April 25 2020 18: 04 New
    0
    yeah. The last Chinese battle of capitalism. only, for God's sake, tell somebody to capitalism that he is a kayuk, otherwise he will never know
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 00: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: indy424
      otherwise he won’t recognize

      In fact, he knows for a long time. Therefore, it generates such demagogues as you. He really doesn’t want to die.
      1. indy424
        indy424 April 26 2020 18: 59 New
        0
        lol, comrade. capitalism, the dollar, and all these horrors, at first the Soviet newspapers buried for 70 years, now quilted jackets on the net. only for some reason, all the USSR and the ruble fall over and over again. we will continue, if we bury capitalism in our garage, and we will laugh.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 22: 07 New
          0
          You can laugh any number. Although there is a need to cry. Alas, your lol is not being treated.
          1. indy424
            indy424 April 27 2020 00: 16 New
            0
            Nope, not treated. from anger it’s not I who suffocate here, but commies.
  • Oberleutnant
    Oberleutnant April 26 2020 11: 24 New
    +1
    Everything is correctly described. I, a German and a former entrepreneur, allow myself to add the words of the most extreme right-wing politician in Germany, Heiner Geisler: capitalism has come to an end. The Western elites are already openly talking about the nationalization of capital on a large scale. And do not repeat the mistakes of the past, there were a lot of them. But there were advantages. Which party will manage this process is not yet visible.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 April 26 2020 22: 19 New
      0
      Tell this to our domestic Russian capitalists who are raving about "correct capitalism." It looks useless though. They are from that category of people who can only learn something from their own sad experience.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 27 2020 17: 25 New
    +1
    “Hundreds of millions of people around the world suddenly realized that in reality they have nothing but debts, loans, mortgages and a slave collar in the form of having to work hard every day for a piece of their daily bread. The illusion of virtual wealth and virtual values ​​shattered into smithereens, faced with forced quarantine . "
    Why all of a sudden? Personally, this has long been obvious to me. And absolutely do not like it.
    "It finally dawned on people that living in a world without guarantees (without guaranteed medical assistance, benefits, or at least food rations at the time of the cataclysm, without guaranteed protection and assistance) is very scary."
    Of course. This is now being observed.
    "So what? The world, having recovered from the pandemic and finding itself in the arms of the most severe crisis and recession, will join together under the red banners and set off to overthrow the exploiters, in order to finally establish a society of true universal justice and security? Let's not rush"
    I'm afraid not.
    In order for even remotely something similar to begin to occur, a planetary figure is needed. And the planetary is the same depth. I mean V.I. Lenin (in my unenlightened view).
    I personally do not see such a "hardened human being" in the environs.
    Accordingly, to lead such events is simply not to anyone. And I will not pull that scale. request
  • Zementbomber
    Zementbomber April 29 2020 02: 28 New
    -1
    slave collar in the form of the need to work hard daily for a piece of daily bread

    Author - show me socialist a country where this "slave collar" did not exist for the common man !! I will be very interested !! For I lived under socialism for 21 years - but I don't remember the absence of the need to earn a piece of bread. bully
  • Smity
    Smity 4 May 2020 14: 28 New
    -5
    Now all the cap.countries are essentially socialist
  • Igor Khanin
    Igor Khanin 27 June 2020 11: 24 New
    0
    On the one hand, Alexander Kharaluzhny is ridiculous, because he claims that "the cult of consumption, individualism, freedom" is BAD. On the other hand, he is lying that all this is "a rejection of any moral and ethical principles and prohibitions ...". What is GOOD for the author? When deceitful morality, poverty, lack of everything, egalitarianism, cronyism flourish? When society is divided into 2 unequal castes: the first 1 ... 2% are party workers, for whom everything is their own: their shops with a shortage and ridiculous prices, their hospitals and health resorts (4th department of the Ministry of Health), etc. 2nd caste - all others. Does the author call for this?

    In general, it is very stupid to compare capitalism and socialism. Capitalism is rather an economic concept. "Capitalism is an economic system of production and distribution based on private property, legal equality and free enterprise." - wikipedia. Socialism is a social concept. I have collected 79 definitions of socialism, including those that directly contradicted each other.
    In other words, "Capitalism" is about how to make money and be rich. It is in the capitalist countries that the highest AVERAGE NET wages of employees, legal and social protection (the same state payments of benefits in connection with the coronavirus)

    And "Socialism" is about how to divide and not die of hunger. Examples Laos, Cuba, DPRK. China is only called a socialist country. It is ruled by the Communist Party, which usurped power, like Putin's pack. But the economy there is based on private property, competition and market freedom. Average salaries in China (like in Putin's Russia) are 5 times lower than in Germany, Denmark or other highly developed countries. And there are no pensions in China at all.

    We need to build CAPITALISM. Only REAL. And not the oligarchic-Kumov’s, as under Putin.
    Russia has the largest natural resources, the largest territory, and we generate only 1,66% of world GDP. According to the average salary, Russia is weaving in the fifth or sixth ten. SHAME.