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Germany's defense minister decides to purchase US F-18 fighter jets

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Germany's defense minister decides to purchase US F-18 fighter jets

Germany is on the verge of a scandal that could begin against the backdrop of the desire of Secretary of Defense Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to buy American fighters without the consent of the ruling coalition of Social Democrats. About this writes the weekly Der Spiegel, citing its own sources.


According to the weekly, the German defense minister without approval wrote a letter to the head of the Pentagon, Mark Esper, in which she requested the United States to purchase 45 F-18 fighters. It should be noted that the option with American fighters, which can replace the German obsolete Tornado, began to be discussed even under the former Minister of Defense of Germany, Ursula von der Leyen, but they did not come to a common decision in the Bundestag.

The thing is that the ruling coalition of Germany, or rather the representatives of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), is opposed to the purchase of American fighters. In their opinion, it is necessary to conclude a contract not only with Boeing for the supply of the same F-18s, but also with the European manufacturer Airbus for the supply of Eurofighter fighters.

According to the German publication, Kramp-Karrenbauer requested from the United States the purchase of 45 F-18 fighters, of which 30 should be the latest modification of the F-18 Super Hornet, capable of carrying a nuclear weapon instead of tornado.

It was previously reported that the German Ministry of Defense intends to replace Tornado fighters with more modern aircraft. At the end of March this year, it became known that the option of acquiring up to 90 Eurofighter Typhoons, 30 F / A-18E / F and 15 EA-18G is being considered, but this plan has not been approved.
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  1. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 22 2020 10: 25 New
    +7
    In their opinion, it is necessary to conclude a contract not only with Boeing for the supply of the same F-18s, but also with the European manufacturer Airbus for the supply of Eurofighter fighters.

    They also discovered America for me. Whoever gives a big bribe will be bought from him, politicians don’t think about quality, only about their beloved ones.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter April 22 2020 10: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: sanik2020

      They also discovered America for me. Whoever gives a big bribe will be bought from him, politicians

      Hindus can, but the Germans are worse? It's a shame, however ... wassat
      1. hydrox
        hydrox April 22 2020 11: 14 New
        +2
        The point here is that India is a member of the UN Nuclear Club, and Germany is not allowed to have nuclear weapons - this is where the scandal will now swirl. It’s just that the Social Democrats will now decide that the possibility of Hornets carrying nuclear weapons is an expensive option, Germany completely unnecessary, for which it is a pity to pay a lot of money.
        Again, the grandmother does not want the FRG to fall within the scope of the Russian Defense Doctrine, from which a blow to decision centers follows, and even if this decision can apply to the carriers of nuclear weapons, in Germany many will stupor ...
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 22 2020 18: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: hydrox
          The point here is that India is a member of the UN Nuclear Club, and Germany is not allowed to have nuclear weapons

          in Germany there is an American tactical weapon (thermonuclear bombs B61). They were carried by a tornado, which in 5-6 years they are preparing to write off. Need a replacement plane.

          Eurofighter Typhoon is not certified for the use of nuclear weapons, remains the F-35 or Super Hornet. The Germans are going to build their promising fighter (in collaboration with the French), because it is very disadvantageous for them to have Lightning as the new tactical fighter. In this case, the German-French NGF is not destined to be.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox April 22 2020 20: 16 New
            0
            Yes, in the occupied territories of Germany, the United States stores nuclear weapons without the right to transfer them to the Bundeswehr. Then what is the point of Germany to buy nuclear weapons if it does not have the ability to use nuclear weapons?
            Or has something changed?
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 April 22 2020 20: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: hydrox
              Then what is the point of Germany to buy nuclear weapons if it does not have the ability to use nuclear weapons?

              As far as I understand, Germany can use the bombs, being a member of NATO, in the event of war and with the sanction of Washington.
              That is why Germany, formally bearing the title of a nuclear-free power, has its own carriers, and also teaches pilots the use of nuclear weapons
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer April 22 2020 18: 39 New
          0
          Why have a plane capable of carrying and using nuclear weapons, if there is none and never will be. It seems to mine that it is a setup.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox April 22 2020 20: 19 New
            0
            One thing is clear that in the run-up to the crisis, such purchases will not be welcomed, so the scandal should turn out to be very serious ... lol
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A April 22 2020 20: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: TermNachTER
            Why have a plane capable of carrying and using nuclear weapons, if there is none and never will be. It seems to mine that it is a setup.


            What do you want to say now?
            That the B-61 does not exist?

            B61-12 passed all the tests by the way.
            Recently.
            And this is not good.
            For it is made planning and can be reset relatively far.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer April 22 2020 20: 53 New
              0
              When did the B-61 enter service with the Bundeswehr?
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A April 22 2020 21: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: TermNachTER
                When did the B-61 enter service with the Bundeswehr?


                And where exactly is the Bundeswehr?

                33 LuftWaffe squadron submits to NATO strategic command.
                And in the case of BP, the Americans hang their bombs on the planes of this squadron. activate them, and NATO pilots (albeit of German nationality) fly to fulfill the mission of NATO.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox April 23 2020 07: 50 New
                  -1
                  Already this happened about 2 years ago :: The IS squadron of the FRG, based at the Incirlik airbase, instead of taking off for bombing Syrian targets, first declared the squadron to be technically unsuitable for combat missions, and then completely relocated this compound to the FRG - so it doesn't hurt NATO pilots want to arm themselves with atomic bombs, and Germany doesn’t want to send their pilots to carry out NATO tasks - these qualities are more characteristic of Baltic and Australian thugs who are not familiar with the "charms" of American carpet bombing like Dresden.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 23 2020 09: 36 New
                    0
                    Quote: hydrox
                    Germany doesn’t want to send its pilots to NATO missions

                    intervention in Syria - this is not a NATO operation. This is the operation of the United States and several other Western and Middle Eastern states, military intervention in the civil war. Even the fact that each country has its own interests in Syria suggests that this is not an operation under the general command. There everyone is for himself, sometimes helping a neighbor if the goal is in line with his interests.
                2. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer April 23 2020 18: 37 New
                  0
                  This is a pure theory, but God forbid it comes to a real application, it will be a big question. Including, will they manage to get them out of the storage and hang them under the plane.
                  1. SovAr238A
                    SovAr238A April 23 2020 21: 35 New
                    +1
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    This is a pure theory, but God forbid it comes to a real application, it will be a big question. Including, will they manage to get them out of the storage and hang them under the plane.


                    According to the START treaties, all aviation nuclear munitions are located in special storage facilities that are totally mutually controlled and located at a distance of at least 100 km. There should be only one entry, etc.

                    Accordingly, preparation for an aviation nuclear strike will be detected in at least 3 and in fact in 4-6 hours.
                    the effectiveness of the arrival of nuclear weapons transporters is tracked.
                    this is not a barmalean tachanka sorry. at least 2 hours.
                    then loading time (at least half an hour),
                    time for delivery to the base (at least 2 hours, because nuclear weapons transporters do not travel faster)
                    half an hour for suspension, testing, activation, take-off.

                    The weapon is essentially publicly stupid.
                    .
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 23 2020 09: 29 New
                0
                Quote: TermNachTER
                When did the B-61 enter service with the Bundeswehr?

                the bombs belong to the USA. Germany is formally a non-nuclear power. But in the event of a mess, B61 will be used (including) by German pilots
            2. hydrox
              hydrox April 23 2020 07: 59 New
              0
              After this pilot drops this B-61, I doubt that he will have enough fuel to return to the SPARE aerodrome (his own a / b by this time will already be unsuitable for landing) - the Russian reaction to pressing it will be so fast bomb thrower buttons. laughing
              It’s also good that the Germans do not have carrier-based aircraft! yes
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 23 2020 09: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: hydrox
                its own a / b by this time will be unsuitable for landing

                what is such a bold statement based on?
                Quote: hydrox
                to return to the SPARE aerodrome

                Germany is full of autobahns suitable for landing / take-off aircraft
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox April 23 2020 11: 37 New
                  -1
                  So sit on the a / ban, and here we will see how you will succeed, it will be especially nice to see how you will tumbling with the preparation of the aircraft for departure, conducted in the open field laughing(test, fuel, ammunition, gases, liquids, bombs, missiles, pilot to eat, poop, sleep, relax ...) fool
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 23 2020 12: 19 New
                    -1
                    Quote: hydrox
                    So sit on the a / ban, and here we will see how you will succeed, it will be especially nice to see how you will tumbling with the preparation of the aircraft for departure, conducted in the open field laughing(test, fuel, ammunition, gases, liquids, bombs, missiles, pilot to eat, poop, sleep, relax ...) fool

                    the work of aviation with the AUD (airfield road sections) is practiced in many air forces, including and Russia. Have you ever seen how this happens?

                    The military is prepared for the fact that airfields, as one of the priority objectives for enemy attacks, will cease to function.
                  2. SovAr238A
                    SovAr238A April 23 2020 21: 47 New
                    +1
                    Quote: hydrox
                    So sit on the a / ban, and here we will see how you will succeed, it will be especially nice to see how you will tumbling with the preparation of the aircraft for departure, conducted in the open field laughing(test, fuel, ammunition, gases, liquids, bombs, missiles, pilot to eat, poop, sleep, relax ...) fool


                    The Swedes are already the third generation of the deployment system, supply aviation from the freeways.
                    And refueling, and maintenance, and suspension of missiles, and the entire airfield infrastructure of Sweden, has a dual purpose for working with freeways.
                    This is called the "BAS-90"
                    You probably never heard of this.
                    Watch this video closely and carefully.


                    and especially this old one.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox April 24 2020 06: 36 New
                      0
                      Beautiful pictures, in the General Staff, too, probably smiled in anticipation of the summer.
                      Those. Do you really think that this trash has attacked Russia and returned alive?
                      We are talking about that NATO recklessness, which is controlled by the Americans, and not at all about the Swedes, who, with any development of events and no gingerbread, will be impossible to lure from their national territory. lol
                      And the fact that the Swedes roofed up over the Swedes, says the 40-year-old epic of the capture of Russian submarines in the Gulf of Bothnia, so their beautiful pictures of anyone in the Moscow Region and the General Staff do not inspire repetition of Odinov’s exploits, although training is carried out from time to time (so as not to lose the chuik).
  2. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter April 22 2020 10: 27 New
    +2
    Germany is on the verge of a scandal that could begin against the backdrop of the desire of Secretary of Defense Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to buy American fighters without the consent of the ruling coalition of Social Democrats.

    Did they bring in an envelope to the Minister of Defense of the Federal Republic of Germany that she agreed to a crazy move?
    1. Kurare
      Kurare April 22 2020 11: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      They brought in an envelope to the Minister of Defense of Germany or something ...

      "Envelope" was, but he was on the purchase of the F-35. Buying the F-18 as a carrier of nuclear weapons and in the G variant of the EW aircraft is a necessary measure.

      Typhoon does not have certification as a carrier of nuclear weapons, and under NATO treaties, Germany is required to have such aircraft. In addition, Americans pose various obstacles to Typhoon certification. There is an option to purchase Rafale for these purposes, but then there will be no EW aircraft, and Germany will not agree to buy French aircraft.

      Like it or not, either the F-18 or the F-35. But, when you buy a second one, you can bury all your dreams of the next-generation European fighter.
  3. Don
    Don April 22 2020 10: 27 New
    +4
    It is not clear, is not Eurofighter a multi-functional fighter? Is it so difficult to upgrade it so that it can carry free-falling nuclear bombs?
    1. kjhg
      kjhg April 22 2020 10: 35 New
      +7
      Looks like a political contract and undercover games among the top of the German leadership. Merkel is ill and will soon retire. So the Minister of Defense is trying to enlist the support of the Americans.
      1. Oleg83
        Oleg83 April 22 2020 12: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: kjhg
        Looks like a political contract and undercover games among the top of the German leadership. Merkel is ill and will soon retire. So the Minister of Defense is trying to enlist the support of the Americans.


        You are right, this is a political contract, the Germans take American planes, and the Americans the German BMP Lynx 41 from Rheinmetall
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 22 2020 18: 25 New
        0
        Quote: kjhg
        So the defense minister is trying to enlist the support of the Americans

        if she tried to kiss the Yankees in the ass, they would sign a contract for the supply of American F-35s. However, Germany rests, while cherishing plans to create its own next-generation fighter.
    2. Kurare
      Kurare April 22 2020 11: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Donskoy
      Is it so difficult to upgrade it so that it can carry free-falling nuclear bombs?

      You will not believe, but difficult. And the Americans themselves do not really want to create competition for their manufacturers. Typhoon certification takes about 3 years!
    3. Most kind
      Most kind April 22 2020 11: 37 New
      -3
      Messerschmitts and wokewulfs can carry yao, there are blueprints, plants are standing, you just need to set up production, they were some kind of oooooo
    4. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav April 22 2020 18: 30 New
      +1
      maybe the super hornet has much better operational characteristics, as at one time the hornet simply bypassed all amer fighters in terms of this indicator and the time between failures
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A April 22 2020 20: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Ryaruav
        maybe the super hornet has much better operational characteristics, as at one time the hornet simply bypassed all amer fighters in terms of this indicator and the time between failures


        Hornet is needed in the form of growler.

        If costs are inevitable in the form of contract execution, they try to kill two birds with one stone.
        And high-class electronic warfare and excellent 4 ++ in one bottle.
        1. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav April 22 2020 20: 57 New
          0
          how excellent 4 ++ I would not call a superhornet, but in terms of growler, yes, but Germany does not need so many specialized machines
  4. AAK
    AAK April 22 2020 10: 49 New
    -1
    If we consider the criterion of "cost-effectiveness", then the F-18 in the latest upgrade is quite an adequate replacement for the "Tornado", "Typhoon" as a carrier of nuclear weapons, in my opinion, is not the best option, "and the F-15, not to mention about the F-35 - much more expensive ...
    1. Liam
      Liam April 22 2020 10: 53 New
      0
      Quote: AAK
      Typhoon "as a carrier of nuclear weapons, in my opinion, is not the best option",

      I wonder why?
    2. Angry
      Angry April 22 2020 11: 32 New
      +2
      It’s as if I don’t quite understand how in modern conditions, when each armored personnel carrier already has MANPADS, what can a tactical bomber hope for? Even with tactical nuclear weapons? Manned front-line aviation is already standing with one foot in the grave on the battlefield. Especially if it encounters such military air defense as ours. What is the point of sending an airplane worth 100 million green to the MANPADS fire worth about 70 thousand green. Even the loss of an airplane is not the main thing, but the main thing is to risk the crew, which are chronically lacking in any Air Force in the world. Tactical aviation can only survive as an ASA carrier, exceeding the radius of action of a potential enemy’s air defense systems, including nuclear weapons. As actually the front-line aviation of Israel acts. Free fall nuclear bombs - an anachronism. This is a junk.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 22 2020 18: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Angry
        as in modern conditions, when each armored personnel carrier already has MANPADS, what can a tactical bomber hope for?

        complete, complete a combat mission. Europe is not a desert, you can go at low altitude, below the border of the radar field. And gain height just before the bombing. Despite the fact that the B61 bombs themselves were modernized at the end of last year and are now considered correctable and planned - i.e. they can be dropped tens of kilometers from the target.
        1. NN52
          NN52 April 22 2020 18: 43 New
          0
          Gregory_45 (Gregory)

          Amazing comment ... about MV ..
          Feels like a specialist ...
    3. mvg
      mvg April 22 2020 18: 01 New
      +1
      and the F-15, not to mention the F-35, is much more expensive ...

      Yes, as it were, the F-15SE is more expensive than the F-35C, and the Typhoon is also more expensive than the Penguin. And the cost of an hour of flight is that of Eagle, that of Typhoon is also more expensive.
      By the way Super Hornet, also close to 100 million "naked" comes out .. ((
    4. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 22 2020 18: 28 New
      -1
      Quote: AAK
      "Typhoon" as a carrier of nuclear weapons, in my opinion, is not the best option "

      and what did Typhoon not arrange?
      Germans and Americans only because it will take many years (as they say) to fine-tune the machine so that it can use American thermonuclear bombs.
  5. BREAKTHROUGH READY
    BREAKTHROUGH READY April 22 2020 10: 50 New
    0
    Nothing new, occupied Germany still pays tribute to the Americans.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A April 22 2020 20: 53 New
      0
      Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
      Nothing new, occupied Germany still pays tribute to the Americans.


      And the Netherlands, Italy, Turkey?
      Also?


      Maybe it's just multi-year contracts?
      1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
        BREAKTHROUGH READY April 23 2020 00: 25 New
        0
        And the Netherlands, Italy, Turkey? Also?
        Of course. After World War II, almost all of Europe dutifully creeps under Uncle Sam's heel.
        Maybe it's just multi-year contracts?
        But what about the long-term agreements on the payment of tribute and the restriction of political and economic freedom wink
  6. Avior
    Avior April 22 2020 10: 55 New
    +2
    Judging by what they write, the price of Eurofighter is about 120 million, the Super Hornet is about 60 million, although the newest F-18 version of block 3 will probably be more expensive, but it also has more possibilities.
    Not to mention the cost of operation, I recall that the Austrians filed a lawsuit against Airbus and Eurofighter for fraud with underestimation of the cost of operation and modernization of Eurofighter.
    Moreover, the Germans also want Growler, so the service for the F-18 will still have to be adjusted.
    Given that the Minister of Defense, by definition, is primarily interested in the combat effectiveness and safety of his Air Force (which the old Tornadoes in no way contribute to), and not "support for the domestic manufacturer," the choice is clear.
    1. Liam
      Liam April 22 2020 11: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Super Hornet - about 60 million,

      Are you serious?
      1. Avior
        Avior April 22 2020 11: 19 New
        0
        it makes sense to compare prices with Eurofighter, and not the absolute value of the price
        this is the price ratio of the times of the Indian tender.
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Шаблон:Сравнительные_ТТХ_самолётов_принимавших_участие_в_индийском_тендере_MMRCA
        Eurofighter is very expensive.
        Now, I think, prices have grown for both, although maybe not the same.
        If you have information on this subject, throw a link, it will be interesting to read.
        1. Liam
          Liam April 22 2020 11: 26 New
          0
          It makes sense to compare real things but it is not clear what.
          Will you help with the translation?)
          Boeing has secured a three-year contract for 78 F / A-18E / F Block III Super Hornets, with a total contract value of approximately $ 4 billion.

          “Boeing will begin converting existing Block II Super Hornets to Block III early in the next decade,” says a company statement. “The fighter's life also will be extended from 6,000 hours to 10,000 hours.”


          https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/boeing-in-4-billion-deal-for-f/a-18e/f-block-iii-super-hornets/131923.article
          1. Avior
            Avior April 22 2020 11: 33 New
            +2
            the contract and the actual cost of the aircraft are completely different things
            1. Liam
              Liam April 22 2020 11: 37 New
              -1
              Is it about building new aircraft or about upgrading from block 2 to block 3?
        2. Liam
          Liam April 22 2020 13: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          Now, I think, prices have grown for both, although maybe not the same.
          If you have information on this subject, throw a link, it will be interesting to read.

          https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/186776/canada-charged-six-times-as-much-as-us-navy-for-super-hornets.html
          60 million is for pilots cigarettes)
          There are no miracles. Prices for a similar level of a product with a comparable "forcemeat" cannot vary by 2 times. This also applies to military aircraft
          1. Avior
            Avior April 22 2020 14: 15 New
            +1
            in the link below the price of contracts, including additional options - equipment, spare parts, weapons, maintenance, sometimes for many years to come.
            it has nothing to do with the price of the plane itself. The author, it seems, also does not understand this well or wrote on request, taking into account the fact that “Paris” is indicated as the place of the event.
            The real price of the aircraft for the US Navy in the article also is- 48,3 million dollars.
            the Pentagon announced that the US Navy will actually paying $ 676.6 million for six F / A-18E and eight F / A-18F aircraft, or $ 48.3 million each for the Lot 41 aircraft it is buying in this financial year

            676 thousand for 14 F / A-18. This is their price, not the cost of the contract, it seems to foreigners a little more expensive, because the navy paid for the development in due time. I met numbers from 40 to 70 million, possibly various modifications.
            The Boeing Co., St. Louis, Missouri, is being awarded $ 676,575,190 for modification P00004 to a previously awarded fixed-price-incentive contract (N00019-17-C-0003).

            This modification provides for the full-rate production and delivery of six Lot 41 F / A-18E and eight F / A-18F aircraft.

            http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/186775/boeing-wins-%24676m-super-hornet-order.html
            Theoretically, maybe prices should be similar, only this concept is broad, and "similarly" can even double because of different nuances and chosen solutions, there are plenty of examples, and the price depends on the volume of output, the more the cheaper.
            F / A-18 released 2000 units, Eurofighter-600.
            1. Liam
              Liam April 22 2020 14: 27 New
              -1
              The prices of export contracts are very eloquent. And about the cost of a new aircraft at 60 million, when only upgrading the old one from block 2 to block 3 costs 50+, we better keep silent. Read the reasons for Boeing to leave the Swiss competition.
              Quote: Avior
              F / A-18 released 2000 pieces, Eurofighter-600

              Let's not confuse the Hornet and the Super Horn. These are quite different planes. Super Hornets:
              Units produced
              600 for October 2018 [2]
              1. Avior
                Avior April 22 2020 19: 05 New
                0
                Once again, the price of the contract has nothing to do with the price of the aircraft
                No conclusions can be drawn on the price of the aircraft from the value of the contract

                hi
                1. Liam
                  Liam April 22 2020 19: 14 New
                  -1
                  And where did you get the prices of 60 and 120 million dollars)
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 22 2020 18: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Liam
        Quote: Avior
        Super Hornet - about 60 million,

        Are you serious?

        As of 2012, the Super Hornet was worth approximately 67 million dead presidents.
        The price tag for aircraft at foreign tenders can vary many times for the same machine - to understand how much the aircraft really costs, and not related products (weapons, simulators, etc.) and services (training pilots and technicians, maintenance, updating and software development, etc.), you need to read the text of the contract (which we will not, of course, be given to us to read)
        1. Liam
          Liam April 22 2020 19: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Gregory_45
          as of 2012

          Let me remind you that in the yard 2020. And 67 million is the factory cost and not the commercial price. The similar price of Eurofighter in 2008 is 62 million euros. And unlike Germany’s Hornet, you don’t have to buy simulators and pay for retraining pilots.
          Take two figures from the ceiling of 60 and 120 million and build theories divorced from reality is not serious.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 22 2020 19: 56 New
            -1
            Quote: Liam
            Let me remind you that in the yard 2020

            Naturally, since then the aircraft has been modernized, most recently - more recently, some of the ideas of the Advanced Super Hornet project were implemented on the fighter. How much such a plane costs is unknown to me (maybe you are in the know? With a link)), therefore, the cost of Super Hornet was quoted and the year for which the price was relevant was specified.

            Quote: Liam
            And unlike Germany’s Hornet, you don’t have to buy simulators and pay for retraining pilots.

            but Germany will have to somehow get hold of another aircraft capable of using tactical nuclear weapons. The Germans chose the option most suitable for them.
            1. Liam
              Liam April 22 2020 20: 10 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              The Germans chose the option most suitable for them.

              ))) in articles on VO and not read that.
              To replace the Tornado, the Germans are finalizing a new modification of the Typhoon-Eurofighter TYPHOON - Tr.4. Its and will be bought from itself)
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 22 2020 20: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: Liam
                the Germans are finalizing a new modification of the Typhoon-Eurofighter TYPHOON - Tr.4. It will be bought from itself)

                then what is the hype?
                Based on your fragment of the article, Super Hornet adaptation work is underway.

                As far as I understand, adaptation is already underway for the B61-12 bomb variant
                1. Liam
                  Liam April 22 2020 20: 40 New
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                  The hype is that at VO. And in reality, this is a public tender and according to antitrust laws there should be competitors and not just 1 proposal. Here is SuperHornet too. It was F-35, but it was already cut off and Typhoon and reached the final CX. But Typhoon wins)
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 22 2020 20: 47 New
                    -1
                    let's say. Then the title and text of the article should be completely reformulated, in this case it is a duck.
                    It must be something like "German Defense Ministry is considering Super Hornets for procurement to replace the Tornado." No one bothers to consider.

                    I wonder why Lockheed Martin did not declare his F-16, its Belgian version, as far as is known, is also certified as a carrier of nuclear weapons
                    1. Liam
                      Liam April 22 2020 21: 16 New
                      0
                      You can stop reading the article after this passage.
                      German Defense Minister without approval wrote a letter to the head of the Pentagon, Mark Esper, in which he requested the United States to purchase 45 F-18 fighters

                      In parliamentary democracy, this is a priori impossible and impossible. A minister cannot single-handedly and without coordination resolve such issues. She stupidly will not give any money for such a thing.) There are tender conditions, a tender committee, and parliamentary defense and finance committees at least The General Staff and Headquarters of the Air Force, the Accounts Chamber, etc. Such decisions are made only after coordination of all these and a bunch of other authorities and voting in the parliament. The same ..do not buy yeshaka ... Most likely, the minister requested some details on the terms of the tender simply.
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Lockheed Martin did not declare his F-16

                      Lockheed announced the F-35. Which, incidentally, is also not yet certified for nuclear bombs. With block 4, there will only be certification
                2. Liam
                  Liam April 22 2020 20: 46 New
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                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Super Hornet adaptation work is underway.

                  Not quite so. The Boeing statement — if necessary — will do.
                  In the bottom line, neither ET nor the CX currently has access to use nuclear bombs. But both can be certified if necessary. The main difficulty is for the certification of ET Germans will be forced to give the Americans access to sensitive EuroFighter technologies, industrial secrets, etc. dances go around this moment. For other parameters, parity. But Typhoon meets the most important requirement of the tender-localization of production in Germany
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 22 2020 11: 11 New
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    Better than the Messerschmitt 109 plane they never had anything! Let him create his upgrade lol
  8. Equalized
    Equalized April 22 2020 11: 13 New
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    Let's in fact.
    Super Hornet (as a whole, the F-18 family) is a reliable and efficient machine, time-tested, in a modernized version with AFAR it’s generally sweet.

    Eurofighter car unsuccessful in comparison with the F-18. The only reason you can buy eurofighter is because they are their own and not American)
    1. Avior
      Avior April 22 2020 11: 30 New
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      Moreover, the Germans want to buy the latest version of block 3, the version of this year actually.
      in development it was called F / A-18 XT (Advanced Super Hornet).
      New tanks with an increase in range of 300 km, reduced EPR, and
      ... new IRST (infrared search and track) sensor. Lockheed Martin's IRST21 sensor is installed on the aircraft, which improves the pilot's situational awareness and allows to detect threats at a much greater distance. The third innovation was a new computer and data exchange system, the fourth was the new RCS (Radar Cross Section) system, the installation of which required a change in the shape of the nose of the aircraft, but allowed to improve the operation of the angle of attack sensors. The fifth "unclassified" improvement was the installation of a large touch screen that displays the data necessary for the pilot.
    2. Magog
      Magog April 22 2020 11: 45 New
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      As far as I understand, any existing modification of the F-18 is available as a deck with all the consequences ... So what is the effectiveness of this unit in the "land" conditions of Germany, Finland, Switzerland, Canada, Australia, etc. ? Just something better than a tornado? The Americans launched a mass production of these aircraft, while they did not bother to make a non-deck option for vassals to NATO. And that is true: where will they go? And they will buy such ones - on occasion, the used ones will be pushed by him!
  9. Wolf
    Wolf April 22 2020 11: 18 New
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    All were in combinations except Gripen and Rafal? Or for the choice was the most important thing that bi carries nuclear weapons. But the Germans do not have nuclear weapons here or is it? , or will it be soon?
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 22 2020 11: 31 New
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      They have US nuclear bombs as part of the NATO nuclear deterrence program, in which Germany has pledged to participate. The carriers were tornadoes, but they are being decommissioned and need replacing. F-18 are adapted and qualified to carry nuclear bombs, but for Typhoon I still have to adapt these bombs, integrate.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 22 2020 19: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Wolf
      Or for the choice was the most important thing that bi carries nuclear weapons

      this requirement was one of the decisive ones - the Tornado must be replaced with something. In addition, the Germans receive an EW - Growler aircraft based on the same Super Hornet.
      1. Liam
        Liam April 22 2020 19: 27 New
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        Quote: Gregory_45
        Quote: Wolf
        Or for the choice was the most important thing that bi carries nuclear weapons

        this requirement was one of the decisive ones - the Tornado must be replaced with something. In addition, the Germans receive an EW - Growler aircraft based on the same Super Hornet.

        And since when has SuperHorn been habilitated to use nuclear weapons?
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 22 2020 19: 40 New
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          Quote: Liam
          Quote: Gregory_45
          Quote: Wolf
          Or for the choice was the most important thing that bi carries nuclear weapons

          this requirement was one of the decisive ones - the Tornado must be replaced with something. In addition, the Germans receive an EW - Growler aircraft based on the same Super Hornet.

          And since when has SuperHorn been habilitated to use nuclear weapons?

          Super Hornet is a carrier-based bomber fighter designed by order of the Navy, and all American carrier-based strike aircraft have the ability to use nuclear weapons (B-61 bombs) This is one of the requirements for such aircraft from the customer.
          1. Liam
            Liam April 22 2020 19: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Super Hornet is a carrier-based fighter-bomber, commissioned by the Navy, and all American carrier-based strike aircraft have the ability to use nuclear weapons (B-61 bombs) This is one of the requirements for such aircraft from the customer

            Don’t compose. Super Hornet has never been habilitated to use nuclear weapons. The only modification that had such clearance was the F / A-18 Legacy which has already been discontinued in the United States.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 April 22 2020 20: 11 New
              -1
              Quote: Liam
              SuperHornet has never been hailed for the use of nuclear weapons.

              where did you get such information? Will you give a competent source?
              According to available information, B61 were registered on the F / A-18 Hornet
              Do you want to say that American carrier-based aviation was left without nuclear weapons?
              Nuclear Weapons Carried by All US Navy Deck Attack
              1. Liam
                Liam April 22 2020 20: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Will you give a competent source?

                Will a Boeing spokesperson arrange?
                Justin Bronk, a research fellow with the Royal United Services Institute, a UK based thinktank that covers defense issues, pointed out that only the legacy F / A-18 Hornet - not the Super Hornet - was ever certified to carry the B61. For this reason, the Super Hornet will have to go through the certification process, he explained. Bronk also called the split buy “the worst of all previously mooted outcomes.”

                However even though the Super Hornet is not yet certified to carry the B61, Boeing Spokesman Justin Gibbons said that the company has the US government's support for future integration.

                “The F / A-18 Super Hornet is capable of being certified to meet B61 requirements for Germany under its timeline. Boeing has a proven track record of successfully integrating weapons systems that meet the needs of both US and international customers, ”he said. Gibbons declined to comment on the timing of Germany's deadline for competitive reasons
  10. Eug
    Eug April 22 2020 11: 35 New
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    Buy a minimum (by contract) minimum of nuclear weapons and electronic warfare aircraft from "NATO partners"; if money remains, buy "your" Eurofighters. Yes, the operation will be more expensive, but it depends on how and in whose pocket you count.
    1. Peter is not the first
      Peter is not the first April 22 2020 11: 45 New
      +1
      If money for Eurofighters and for their exploitation remains in the EU, then this is investment in their industry and in their peoples. So the SPD should not give permission to purchase only F-18.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 22 2020 12: 33 New
        +1
        The Minister of Defense does not need investments, but combat-ready troops, he is responsible for this
        1. Peter is not the first
          Peter is not the first April 22 2020 12: 38 New
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          I think that for European, civilian defense ministers this is no longer the main goal. They are temporary workers in essence of the relative change of parties in power, and most importantly, they are put at the head of the ministry, for opportunistic reasons, for example, according to fashion trends for women at the head of power structures.
          1. Avior
            Avior April 22 2020 13: 40 New
            +1
            by what is written in the article, it turns out is
  11. Yrec
    Yrec April 22 2020 11: 47 New
    -6
    What for fascists carrier-based fighter? Or did they quietly set up aircraft carriers in China? It seems that the ACC is following in the footsteps of the great Ursula - the winner of the orcs, the trench will not distinguish from the trench.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf April 22 2020 12: 18 New
      -2
      This is also a question and a good one! What is the F18 carrier based fighter for? F15 is the best choice, but the fairy tale is that I do not drink water avariciously, for Germans there are no expensive planes, they can buy whatever you want.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 22 2020 12: 28 New
        +2
        The F-15 does not have a growler version
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 22 2020 19: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Wolf
        What is the F18 carrier based fighter for?

        Hornet is a pretty good fighter, in terms of price / quality, run-in and mastered in production. It does not have a purely land version.
  12. Chingachguk
    Chingachguk April 22 2020 12: 35 New
    -1
    Germany's defense minister decides to purchase US F-18 fighter jets
    Yeah, apparently this virus primarily affected the brain ..... crying
  13. iouris
    iouris April 22 2020 12: 46 New
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    You could buy from Finland.
  14. Lesorub
    Lesorub April 22 2020 13: 26 New
    +1
    Germany's defense minister decides to purchase US F-18 fighter jets

    Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer lobbied for Boeing in her country (not taking into account her production) - the loot because of the okey “steers”
  15. Old26
    Old26 April 22 2020 14: 07 New
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    Quote: hydrox
    The point here is that India is a member of the UN Nuclear Club, and Germany is not allowed to have nuclear weapons - this is where the scandal will now swirl. It’s just that the Social Democrats will now decide that the possibility of Hornets carrying nuclear weapons is an expensive option, Germany completely unnecessary, for which it is a pity to pay a lot of money.

    Well, the “Tornado” and “Typhoon”. They are of course "white and fluffy" and can not deliver nuclear strikes ???
    So the Social Democrats are muddying something. The ability to strike nuclear weapons is not an option for the exclusively new version of The Hornet. Old modifications could also use nuclear weapons. Like the Tornado and Eurofighter Typhoon. Confused Esdeki ... Covert games. Apparently they want the opportunity to "divide" and "subtract" from the "pie"

    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Germany is on the verge of a scandal that could begin against the backdrop of the desire of Secretary of Defense Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to buy American fighters without the consent of the ruling coalition of Social Democrats.

    Did they bring in an envelope to the Minister of Defense of the Federal Republic of Germany that she agreed to a crazy move?

    What's the crazy move? He would have been mad if she had made an application for our MIG or SU, and so within the framework of NATO ... What is the frenzy. In addition, in many respects Super Hornet is superior to Eurofighter Typhoon.
  16. Amateur
    Amateur April 22 2020 14: 08 New
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    the desire of Secretary of Defense Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to purchase American fighters without coordination with the ruling coalition of Social Democrats. About this writes the weekly Der Spiegel, citing its own sources.

    She decided then. And where will she get the money? Will it pay out of pocket? Without the decision of the Bundestag, the Ministry of Finance will not give money.
    Well, "Der Spiegel" is their analogue of the "Moscow Komsomolets"
  17. NF68
    NF68 April 22 2020 15: 43 New
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    There will probably be a lot of noise and some may not seem a little.
  18. APASUS
    APASUS April 22 2020 17: 36 New
    +1
    The Americans will condemn the European military-industrial complex, which is exactly what they are systematically doing. They squeeze out the market, go bankrupt, buy politicians, but the arms manufacturer in NATO should be left alone!
    1. Magistr
      Magistr April 22 2020 17: 40 New
      -3
      Quote: APASUS
      The Americans will condemn the European military-industrial complex, which is exactly what they are systematically doing. They squeeze out the market, go bankrupt, buy politicians, but the arms manufacturer in NATO should be left alone!

      Well, Trump bluntly stated. That you will pay us for the protection, etc. And they already milked the NATO members well .. One Turkey stood up in a pose, and even then not for long ..
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 22 2020 21: 19 New
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        Quote: Magistr
        Well, Trump bluntly stated. That you will pay us for the protection, etc. And already milked the NATO members well.

        That exhaust is 200%, Saudi Arabia Kuwait, South Korea, Japan, etc. pay for the protection, but everyone else (even those with pants on the straps) are forced to acquire weapons only from the one they say !!