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In China: We are not going to abandon plans to bring the number of aircraft carriers to 6 by 2030

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There was a report on Chinese television stating that China was not abandoning plans to bring the carrier fleet up to six aircraft carriers. At the moment, the PLA Navy includes two aircraft-carrying combat ships. This is the Liaoning acquired after the collapse of the USSR (initially Riga, then Varyag), and also built in China and recently transferred to the Shandong Type001A country’s Navy. At the same time, two more aircraft carriers (Type002 and Type 003) are being built at Chinese shipyards.


The report that the number of aircraft carriers in the naval forces of the PRC will reach six by 2030, is especially noteworthy, came amid statements from the United States about proposals to reduce the carrier fleet. On the eve of the "Military Review" published news material that Pentagon analysts are proposing to reduce the number of aircraft carriers from 11 to 9, and to “save money” get the latest frigates and robotic corvettes “to deter China and level the missile threat from it.” The analysts' report, it was announced, will soon be submitted to Congress.

It is believed that after a report from Chinese TV that China is not going to abandon plans to increase the number of aircraft carriers, congressmen will not accept any arguments about the "optimization" of the aircraft carrier fleet of the US Navy. Unless, of course, you take into account the likelihood of extraordinary circumstances.

Additionally, in China, it is reported that for the country's naval forces a total of 24 new Type 055 destroyers are planned to be built. The lead ship of the series (Nanchang) went to sea in the summer of 2018. These are the 4th generation missile destroyers, which in China are positioned as competitors to the American Zamvoltam. In the PLA Navy, for these destroyers, which have a displacement not far from the cruisers, a whole range of tasks is set up to strengthening aircraft carrier strike groups and performing anti-submarine operations.
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  1. Sergey Nemov
    Sergey Nemov April 22 2020 09: 20 New
    15
    There is hardly any doubt that China will fulfill the assigned task, for this our neighbor has all the prerequisites and grounds ..
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 22 2020 09: 40 New
      -10
      It’s not clear why this is necessary for China. How is it going to protect its aircraft carriers from 3 Sea Wolves and nearly two dozen Virginia project submarines? Moreover, hypersonic weapons are being developed. The same Americans will gradually abandon aircraft carriers. Their time has come to an end. The Chinese are preparing for the wars of the past, not the future, if they are placed on aircraft carriers.
      1. Sergey Nemov
        Sergey Nemov April 22 2020 09: 53 New
        +9
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        It is not clear why this is for China.

        The Chinese have their own interests not only in coastal zones, in addition, the demonstration of the power of the fleet is a demonstration of economic power.
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        .Chinese are preparing for the wars of the past, not the future, if they put on aircraft carriers.

        Tell me, will you be rude to a person of 190 cm in height and weighing 130 kg?
        And nobody canceled the "meeting on clothes"
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 22 2020 10: 12 New
          -5
          Well, perhaps only as a demonstration of the power of the fleet, but we must take into account that the latest means of destruction make previously flawless aircraft carriers vulnerable.
          Tell me, will you be rude to a person of 190 cm in height and weighing 130 kg?

          Using a simple device like the same baseball bat. Here, for example, look at how Iran started and what it achieved. How will American aircraft carriers feel in the Persian Gulf now?


          The commander of the naval forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Rear Admiral Alireza Tangsiri, reported that sea-based missiles with a radius of action of 700 kilometers were put into service at the IRGC. The weapons system was fully developed in Iran.

          "But there were times when the range of our naval missiles did not exceed 45 kilometers, and Iran succeeded only with the help of American military instructors. Now the military engineering elite gives us a completely different weapon," he said.

          http://newsru.co.il/mideast/21apr2020/ksir_202.html
          1. Sergey Nemov
            Sergey Nemov April 22 2020 10: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Well, perhaps only as a demonstration of the power of the fleet, but we must take into account that the latest means of destruction make previously flawless aircraft carriers vulnerable.

            If you and I are talking about wars of a new type, then not only aircraft carriers, but their means of destruction must be written off as scrap.
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter April 22 2020 10: 23 New
              -1
              Quote: Sergey Nemov
              Quote: Sky Strike fighter
              Well, perhaps only as a demonstration of the power of the fleet, but we must take into account that the latest means of destruction make previously flawless aircraft carriers vulnerable.

              If you and I are talking about wars of a new type, then not only aircraft carriers, but their means of destruction must be written off as scrap.

              In terms of means of destruction should be written off to the scrap? Dagger, Zircon, Poseidon also in your opinion should be written off to the scrap? Explain.
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 22 2020 10: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            With a simple device like the same baseball bat

            Yes, and a stun gun is such a good help
            And by and large "There is no reception against scrap"
      2. Courier
        Courier April 22 2020 10: 47 New
        0
        Excuse me, you have a very unpopular opinion. As you know, only American aircraft carriers can be sunk, only American tanks can be destroyed and only American planes can be shot down. All other equipment, especially Chinese, is invulnerable and unbreakable in principle.
      3. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 April 22 2020 10: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The same Americans will gradually abandon the aircraft carriers. Their time has by and large come to an end. The Chinese are preparing for the wars of the past, not the future, if they put on the aircraft carriers.


        The Americans are not going to give up aircraft carriers, this is primarily a platform for aviation, UAVs in the future may be some kind of high-tech drones, etc. another thing is that it is a very expensive pleasure and not every country can allow it, and it’s problematic to build it, we need technology, etc. but as a class of ships it will exist, no one is going to abandon aviation. And if we had the money, technology and capacity .... we would have built at least the same 23000 Storm, but alas, desires do not always correspond to the possibilities.
      4. NEOZ
        NEOZ April 22 2020 13: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        It is not clear why this is for China.

        to control airspace in the oceans.
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        How is he going to defend his aircraft carriers

        using sonars and other means of detection and destruction.
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        In addition, the development of hypersonic weapons.

        how can rockets control the ocean?
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        But the Americans will gradually abandon aircraft carriers.

        Well, Argentina, Brazil have already abandoned the aircraft carriers .... but this is not a reason, is it?
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Their time, by and large, is over

        controversial statement ... try to justify!
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The Chinese are preparing for the wars of the past, not the future, if they put on aircraft carriers.

        justify, please.
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 22 2020 14: 04 New
          +2
          using sonars and other means of detection and destruction.

          It’s not funny. How many times did the allies of the Americans go through their anti-submarine defenses in the exercises? The same Skorpen and Gotland. But what about the NPL, they (the Americans) can’t detect our MAPL. especially since the Chinese MAPLs say frankly not particularly impressive. Aircraft carriers are good for expeditionary wars with a weak enemy like Syria, and in a battle with an enemy like the United States these are promising mass graves.
          how can rockets control the ocean?

          Missiles cannot control the ocean in any way, but in the event of war they will not allow the enemy aircraft carriers to control the ocean, drowning them and thereby less than leveling the chances of success.
          controversial statement ... try to justify!

          They are too vulnerable for hypersonic weapons, anti-ship anti-ship missiles, and torpedoes, including for such as Poseidon. And where it is thinly torn.
          justify, please.

          The vulnerability of aircraft carriers in the current environment is obvious and you should not rely on them in the future.
        2. halflife3
          halflife3 6 May 2020 07: 41 New
          0
          China is heavily dependent on maritime trade. About 80% of China's shipping is carried out in the Indo-Pacific region. In the event of a conflict, the United States can easily stop China's maritime trade. The aircraft carrier navy allows China to establish a strong presence in the oceans, secure its trade routes and minimize the threat of a blockade by the United States.
      5. halflife3
        halflife3 6 May 2020 07: 36 New
        0
        China is heavily dependent on maritime trade. About 80% of China's shipping is carried out in the Indo-Pacific region. In the event of a conflict, the United States can easily stop China's maritime trade. The aircraft carrier navy allows China to establish a strong presence in the oceans, secure its trade routes and minimize the threat of a blockade by the United States.
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 April 22 2020 10: 13 New
      +1
      China is going to colonize Africa)
      1. Sergey Nemov
        Sergey Nemov April 22 2020 10: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Deniska999
        China is going to colonize Africa)

        Think correctly. good
    3. antivirus
      antivirus April 22 2020 10: 49 New
      0
      the rise of Titan - not a trifle in your pockets to poke
  2. knn54
    knn54 April 22 2020 09: 21 New
    +6
    It seems that only military programs, in which a large part of the able-bodied population are engaged, reduce social tension.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 April 22 2020 09: 30 New
      +6
      Well no. In general, the standard of living in large cities of China is growing. It is not uniform across the country and in rural areas is much lower, but overall, VPC does not affect social tension. Again, unlike us, the Chinese are not very spoiled, because there is no particular social tension.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos April 22 2020 10: 17 New
        +3
        Yeah that's why the average Chinese salaries are already 2 years above Russian
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 22 2020 09: 22 New
    +1
    The Chinese are great in this regard. They said "we will do it", the campaign will be so. The party ordered, the people answered - "Yes!"
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 22 2020 09: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      The Chinese are great in this regard. They said "we will do it", the campaign will be so. The party ordered, the people answered - "Yes!"

      The people are always ready to work, and when the state creates jobs, this can only be applauded.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 April 22 2020 09: 33 New
        -3
        Svarog (Vladimir) Today, 09:27 People are always ready to work, and when the state creates jobs, this can only be applauded.
        Without any doubt. I have been observing this people (in the fields) since the 80s of the last century. The sun had not yet risen; they were already bent with hoes; the sun has set, they are only going to go home. A very hardworking and disciplined nation.
        1. DMB 75
          DMB 75 April 22 2020 10: 17 New
          +4
          And you know, lovers of hardworking Chinese, what kind of land is left after these hardworking comrades? Scorched land remains. Who puts you the pluses, I personally understand, either the Chinese themselves, or our traitors who allow them all these outrages with their chemistry on ours earth to create.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 April 22 2020 12: 00 New
            -2
            DMB 75 Today, 10:17 NEW
            +4
            And you know, lovers of hardworking Chinese, what kind of land is left after these hardworking comrades? Scorched land remains. Who puts you the pluses, I personally understand, either the Chinese themselves, or our traitors who allow them all these outrages with their chemistry on ours earth to create.
            And where in my post indicates that they work on our land? I see them ON THEIR LAND, in China. And what they do / or do not do / with "chemistry" is their problem. Swooping in without understanding, and finding fault is not the best quality. Because about the "traitors" - I return back. Take it and wash yourself with your petty post.
      2. Sergey Nemov
        Sergey Nemov April 22 2020 09: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        and when the state creates jobs, this can only be applauded.

        Under capitalism, unemployment is an integral part of it and the socialist state is another matter, although current progress will soon make it possible to exclude people from the production process, thereby making it possible for people to engage in science and creativity, again under socialism.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 22 2020 09: 42 New
          +5
          Quote: Sergey Nemov
          Quote: Svarog
          and when the state creates jobs, this can only be applauded.

          Under capitalism, unemployment is an integral part of it and the socialist state is another matter, although current progress will soon make it possible to exclude people from the production process, thereby making it possible for people to engage in science and creativity, again under socialism.

          I agree completely. There are two development options, in the conditions of robotization:
          - The capitalist path is a reduction in the population, because so many people have nowhere to build on, which means it threatens riots and it is necessary to reduce the population. What actually happens.
          -Socialist - where, under the same conditions, the opportunity is created to create and create, to set global goals, like space exploration, etc.
          Immense consumption will never lead to anything good. There must be a balance and fair distribution of benefits.
          1. Sergey Nemov
            Sergey Nemov April 22 2020 09: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Svarog
            There are two development options, in the conditions of robotization:

            That's for sure! Let's defuse the situation. wink
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 22 2020 09: 30 New
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      The party ordered, the people answered - "Yes!"

      That's the way it should be! Good always needs to be learned.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 22 2020 09: 36 New
        +6
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: aszzz888
        The party ordered, the people answered - "Yes!"

        That's the way it should be! Good always needs to be learned.

        This also happens with us. They said they were self-insulating at their own expense, they did just that .. The people are for the most part organized since the times of the USSR. But managers lead people into the abyss, unlike the Chinese.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 April 22 2020 09: 57 New
          -3
          Svarog (Vladimir) Today, 09:36 ... This also happens with us. They said to isolate themselves at their own expense, they did everything ..
          As for "everyone did just that", let me express some doubts.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 22 2020 10: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: aszzz888
            As for "everyone did just that", let me express some doubts.

            In the bulk, yes, they did. Of course, there are exceptions, but these are those who, due to circumstances, are forced to not pay attention to the coronavirus, or are not reasonable. But not reasonable are in any society. I’m sure that if they introduced the emergency and paid for it, then everyone would be at home, but the choice between dying of hunger or of the crown will be in favor of the crown, since the probability of survival is greater than when there is no means of livelihood.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 22 2020 10: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: Svarog
          For the most part, people have been organized since the days of the USSR. But managers lead people into the abyss, unlike the Chinese.

          Then they said "the people and the party are one", but now "the people and the managers are on different sides."
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 22 2020 10: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Svarog
            For the most part, people have been organized since the days of the USSR. But managers lead people into the abyss, unlike the Chinese.

            Then they said "the people and the party are one", but now "the people and the managers are on different sides."

            Yes, now people are on their own, they survive as they can .. and managers still don’t forget to cut taxes, and moreover, the total tax is higher than in the USA ..
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 April 22 2020 09: 59 New
        -3
        tihonmarine (Vlad) Today, 09:30 ... So it should be! Good must always be learnedI am.
        Let me add - and better on the mistakes of others.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 22 2020 10: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: aszzz888
          Let me add - and better on the mistakes of others.

          For me it’s better not to learn from mistakes, but from achievements.
      3. A.TOR
        A.TOR April 22 2020 11: 07 New
        0
        Have you ever thought that not everyone likes to "walk in formation"?
  4. Altona
    Altona April 22 2020 09: 24 New
    +1
    Since China does not have allies, they will be replaced by aircraft carrier groups to protect artificial islands and trade routes, overlapping of which could weaken China. In general, China is somewhat copying the Japanese doctrine, which also had a powerful carrier fleet at one time. And the United States stupidly lacks money to support all of its military toys.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 22 2020 09: 43 New
      -3
      In general, China is somewhat copying the Japanese doctrine, which also had a powerful carrier fleet at one time.

      The main thing is that he does not repeat the history of Japan in the conflict with the United States during WWII.
      1. Altona
        Altona April 22 2020 09: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The main thing is that he does not repeat the history of Japan in the conflict with the United States during WWII.

        ---------------------------
        The conflict is unlikely to be. How can plant management (USA) conflict with workshops (PRC)? They only recently concluded a new big deal. Well, you give us sneakers and iPhones, we give you LNG and swede from Arizona.
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 22 2020 09: 51 New
          -1
          Trump decided to move the "workshops" back to the United States, and only the blind will not see all the prerequisites for the conflict. Take the US military doctrine and see what it says about China.
          They only recently concluded a new big deal.

          Remember the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact? And how it all ended. It's not a deal, it's a logic of competition.
          1. Altona
            Altona April 22 2020 09: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Take the US military doctrine and see what it says about China.

            ----------------------
            It's all cosplay and rhetoric for now. In words, all hoo and ege gay. Moreover, from the ears of China the United States already received during the years of the Korean War, muscle and gene memory should be.
            1. Courier
              Courier April 22 2020 10: 54 New
              -2
              If not for the Union, the Americans would have done the same with China as with Hiroshima and Nagasaki
    2. halflife3
      halflife3 6 May 2020 07: 42 New
      0
      China is heavily dependent on maritime trade. About 80% of China's shipping is carried out in the Indo-Pacific region. In the event of a conflict, the United States can easily stop China's maritime trade. The aircraft carrier navy allows China to establish a strong presence in the oceans, secure its trade routes and minimize the threat of a blockade by the United States.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 April 22 2020 09: 25 New
    +1
    Probably they want to control vast territories away from mainland China.
    Whether they are on the right path or not, this is not at all obvious.
    1. Altona
      Altona April 22 2020 09: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      Whether they are on the right path or not, this is not at all obvious.

      --------------------
      How not obvious? It’s quite obvious. When the Chinese get angry, their revenge will be scary. They can arrange someone Pearl Harbor.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 22 2020 10: 09 New
        0
        I don’t want to guess. Here, not everything is clear for "our" people, and we know very little about those distant.
  6. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 22 2020 09: 33 New
    +1
    And why should they abandon plans, China, along with Russia, is declared the number one threat to the United States, which does not stand on ceremony with the wimps. While America threatens them, they will not beak with a beak and the planned will be fulfilled.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 22 2020 09: 46 New
      -1
      There, not only the United States, but also Japan with its submarines, Soryu and India with its nuclear ballistic missiles, will threaten China, that is, everything is very serious.
  7. donavi49
    donavi49 April 22 2020 09: 36 New
    +7
    Meanwhile, the second UDC 075 project was launched without a pump. The third is under construction.

  8. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 22 2020 09: 36 New
    +4
    It remains only to envy the PRC.
    6 AUG by 2030. And they will do it. Aircraft carriers and bulk islands will finally turn
    South China Sea in
    Chinese lake.
  9. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 22 2020 10: 15 New
    +1
    China is going to take the US place in world domination ...
  10. Don
    Don April 22 2020 10: 17 New
    +4
    While some cannot repair the ships they got from the Union, China is building new ones in batches. With the naked eye you can see who is involved in the business, and who is showing off, protruding the chest and removing cartoons.
  11. evgen1221
    evgen1221 April 22 2020 10: 26 New
    +1
    Having sea bargaining, they must be protected, riveting them auga to infinity.
  12. awdrgy
    awdrgy April 22 2020 12: 13 New
    +1
    We will eat bats and cockroaches -But the fleet will be!
  13. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin April 22 2020 13: 00 New
    0
    Quote: evgen1221
    Having sea bargaining, they must be protected, riveting them auga to infinity.


    The USA was number 1 in production and trade; they had the most powerful fleet.
    The situation is changing. The United States is planning / thinking of shrinking, China is building muscle in the Navy, and not only for protection but also for the projection of force.
  14. RoTTor
    RoTTor April 22 2020 13: 20 New
    -1
    You are following the correct course of Marx-Engels-Lenin-Stalin-Mao-Tse-tung,
    Dear Chinese comrades and brothers!
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 22 2020 13: 34 New
      0
      They have Dan equated to Mao, and Xi to almost Mao and Dan.
  15. Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael April 22 2020 13: 45 New
    +2
    Along the way, we stay on the sidelines ...
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  17. veritas
    veritas April 22 2020 14: 24 New
    +3
    China acts pragmatically both from a military point of view and from an economic and social point of view.
  18. Old26
    Old26 April 22 2020 14: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    India with its nuclear ballistic missiles will threaten China.

    The Indians are not stupid to fight on 2 fronts if something happens. Therefore, China is unattainable for them in the coming decades. India has a counterbalance - Pakistan. And as long as Pakistan (currently China's ally) exists, the Indians will not "sniff" at anyone
    1. Magistr
      Magistr April 22 2020 17: 28 New
      -2
      Quote: Old26
      India has a counterbalance - Pakistan. And as long as Pakistan (currently China's ally) exists, the Indians will not "sniff" at anyone

      Yes, I think both of them are not particularly going to fight .. So a theatrical performance, well, they’ll bleed each other a little and again silence .. hi
  19. NF68
    NF68 April 22 2020 15: 44 New
    +1
    These can achieve their goal.
  20. Magistr
    Magistr April 22 2020 17: 26 New
    -3
    We are not going to refuse to bring the number of aircraft carriers to 6 by 2030

    The owner is a gentleman, as we say .. There is money, well, let them build, jobs., Gaining experience .. Perhaps in the future, something will be invented to protect such monsters from supersonic missiles like "Zircon", etc.