Why hate Lenin

Why hate Lenin

V. Serov. V.I. Lenin proclaims Soviet power


150 years ago, on April 22, 1870, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Ulyanov) was born. The leader of the socialist revolution, the founder of the USSR and the great project of civilization and the society of the future, where a person will be free from exploitation, will become a creator and creator, not a consumer slave.

Why hatred towards Lenin is cultivated in Russia


In Russia, the population, starting with children in schools, tried to form the image of the Bolsheviks - the destroyers of the Russian Empire, the revolutionary rebels guilty of the death of "old Russia", where everything was fine; in the destruction of the "elite" of society — clergy, nobility, officers, merchants, etc., Lenin and the Bolshevik commissars were portrayed as an unclean force that killed and trampled Holy Russia.

In general, from Lenin and the Bolsheviks since the 1990s, they have been sculpting the image of bloody lawless people, hired German intelligence, who destroyed Russian statehood, overthrew the autocracy, killed the tsar and his family, unleashed a bloody civil war, drowned the country in the blood of millions of innocent victims, to seize power. And after the victory, they set up a totalitarian concentration camp in Russia, the "evil empire" - the USSR.

Thus, the new Russian "elite", famously robbing the country and continuing to live on the legacy of Soviet civilization until our days, tried to hide uncomfortable questions from the people. After all, objective история the revolution of 1917 - February and October, the Civil War and subsequent events, right up to the era of "bloody Stalin", poses a threat to the awakening of the Russian people, who always stand for truth and social justice.

The fact is that it was not Lenin and the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Russian empire and autocracy. Lenin was in exile, had practically no influence in Russia until the February Revolution, and believed that he would not live to see the revolution. The Bolsheviks during the World War II were defeated, fled the country, thrown into prison, sent to exile. This was a small party, which until the fall of the autocracy had no serious influence in society. In the bourgeois elite of society, the Cadets and the Octobrists ruled, among the workers the Mensheviks, the peasants the Social Revolutionaries. With Lenin, as well as with the leaders of other revolutionary parties and movements, the Germans played their game. There was a war, Berlin used every opportunity to weaken the enemy. The revolutionaries led their game, everyone sought to deceive each other. In addition, do not forget that their game with the revolutionaries was the tsarist "secret police" and intelligence of the Russian Empire. There is even a version that some of the Bolsheviks worked in the interests of the tsar’s intelligence services.

The truth is that the Russian autocracy and the Russian empire were not killed by the Leninist commissars, but by the top of “old Russia” —the great princes and aristocrats, generals and dignitaries, members of the Duma and leaders of leading parties, bankers and industrialists, the bourgeoisie and the liberal intelligentsia. Even churchmen took part in this business. The prosperous, prosperous and educated part of Russian society wanted to live “like in the West”, to arrange a “sweet” Holland, England or France in Russia. Without a king, autocracy, feudal “remnants”, with rights and freedoms. Create a parliamentary republic. Make Russia a part of European civilization. The old dream of the Westerners. In 1917, they were revolutionary revolutionaries.

High-ranking and well-to-do Februaryists destroyed the autocracy and opened Pandora's box. Deep-seated contradictions and faults have been accumulating in Russia for centuries. Autocracy and a strong army were the last bonds that held back chaos. The Westernist Westerners destroyed them. The Russian troubles began. The war of the city and the village. Criminal revolution. Intervention. The war of red and white projects. "Parade of sovereignty."

Lenin and the Bolsheviks saved the Russian civilization


The tsarist government, having bought into the tricks of the West and got involved in a world war, and then the Provisional government brought civilization, power and people to death. The civil war began already under the rule of the Februaryists, like the peasant war, the war of the city and village. The interim government finished off the imperial army, destroyed the control system. The country was falling apart. Separatists and nationalists, including the Cossacks, who announced that they were a separate people, pulled Russia apart. None of the main issues have been resolved. Bloody unrest and the intervention of external forces put an end to the Russian world and people.

Only the October Revolution saved Russia. Lenin and the Bolsheviks. The Russian Communists took power, which simply lay in the mud. They answered the main questions: peace - to the peoples, land - to the peasants, factories - to the workers, power - to the Soviets, democracy, the right of nations to self-determination. The Russian Communists decisively broke with the past world, did not try to resurrect the corpse. However, they offered the people a new reality and a new world. The Bolsheviks turned out to be the image of a new world, attractive to the vast majority of the people (workers, peasants, part of the Cossacks and officers), they had iron will, energy, faith and organization.

The communist ideal coincided with the “matrix-code” of Russian civilization and people. It was a commune community of people living in conscience and truth. A world without exploitation of man by man, without social parasitism. It is no accident that the ideas of communism coincided with the thoughts of many Russian, Christian-minded philosopher thinkers. The Bolsheviks were for social justice, rejected the spirit of robbery, appropriation and parasitism (predatory capitalism). Communism stood on the ethics of honest work, solidarity, collegiality, the unity of society in the cause of creation, which also corresponded to the foundations of the Russian world. Also present were the ideas of the primacy of truth over the law, spiritual over the material. It was a super idea of ​​a new society of the future. Factories, institutes and laboratories instead of taverns and brothels.

Thus, Lenin and the Russian Communists proposed a red draft to the people. They became the only force that, after the civilizational and state disaster of 1917, proposed a new reality that was close to the “Russian matrix”. Thus, they saved Russian civilization and the people from complete destruction, fading away as the “nutrient broth" for other projects (the West), civilizations and states. They gave Russia a new breath and life. They created the Soviet project, the civilization of the future.


L. Shmatko. V.I. Lenin at the map of GOELRO. VIII All-Russian Congress of Soviets. December 1920

The man who changed the world


Lenin saved Russia from collapse. The Russian Communists crushed the turmoil with an iron hand. They defeated the white project - an attempt to restore bourgeois society, capitalism. They were able to crush the village, which opposed any state and government. Crime prevailed, although the fight against gangs dragged on. They defeated the separatists, including the Basmachi (the forerunner of the current jihadists). The interventionist forces — all the great powers of that time — forced them to get out. Lenin and the Bolsheviks laid the foundation of a new Russian great power - the USSR.

Under Lenin, labor people began to receive free housing and free education for the first time - the children of peasants and workers became officers, marshals, ministers, professors, doctors of science, designers, inventors, teachers and doctors. Leninists were the first in Europe to introduce an 8-hour work day, eliminate the brutal exploitation of the working class, and introduce paid annual leave, which did not exist before. The Bolsheviks introduced the universal right to free medical care and full social insurance. That is, all the achievements of the welfare state, which the current plutocrat capitalists consistently destroy.

Lenin became the creator of a social state, a symbol of social justice, which showed all of humanity that you can create a new world, challenge the ruthless world of exploitation and slavery. The mere appearance of social guarantees in Russia, the creation of a state of workers and peasants led to the world revolution. Across the world, oppressed and enslaved peoples sought freedom and social transformation. The world of capitalism had to hide its predatory grin while the Soviet Union was in the world.

In modern Russia, following the neo-Nazis and thieves-oligarchs of Ukraine, attempts are regularly made to complete the desovetization process that began in the 90s. "Bury" Lenin. At the same time, representatives of the bourgeois “elite” of the Russian Federation forget that Lenin is a man of global proportions. Thanks to the Great October Revolution, the whole of world history has changed. Many peoples and countries received freedom and unprecedented rights. Lenin is a great philosopher and thinker, economist and sociologist, statesman and politician. Against the backdrop of today's dummy politicians, deceivers and talkers, Lenin is a real titan.

Obviously, the bourgeois "elite", including the bureaucracy and the liberal intelligentsia, which is pleased with Russia's place in the world (a raw materials appendage, the semi-colonial periphery of the Western capitalist world), is frightened by the theoretical and practical legacy of Lenin and Stalin. Frightening growth in their popularity among the people. They do not like that in this heritage there is a way out of the current crisis and the approaching turmoil. A new socialist project with people's self-organization and the transfer of power to the people's Soviets, the nationalization of the financial system, banks and strategic industries. With the slogan of social justice! With the abandonment of the Western model - predatory, parasitic, from the Western consumer society - the "golden calf." With the creation of his Russian world, the reunion of all Russian lands. The creation of a “golden age” society, a society where a person is a creator, a creator.

Hence the hatred of the current bourgeoisie, capitalists and their henchmen from the liberal intelligentsia to Lenin and Stalin. This is the fear of European supporters from Lisbon to Vladivostok (or the Urals) before the possibility of the revival of a genuine Russian power and the restoration of social justice.


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  1. ninguem April 22 2020 05: 41 New
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    The name of Lenin is forever inscribed in world history.
    Vladimir Ilyich Lenin accomplished what many seemed impossible, thanks to him, the world's first state of workers and peasants - the USSR - appeared on the world map. In this state, everyone was guaranteed the right to work, all social and civil rights of each person were respected. Everyone felt protected and confident in the future. Lenin opened a new era in the history of mankind. The era in which there was no exploitation, and social relations between people and nations, morality, morality and decency, were most valued. Compared to this, the current capitalist free market is simply cave atavism. Lenin is still more modern than all his critics.
    Today, some of these “critics,” represented by the most zealous and frantic guardians of capitalism and fascism, are trying to destroy Lenin’s monuments in different countries. But they, these critics playing bourgeois democracy, will never destroy his true monument. He is in immortality and the justice of his cause.
    1. Grandfather April 22 2020 05: 45 New
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      peace for peoples, land for peasants, factories for workers, power for the Soviets
      1. atalef April 22 2020 05: 48 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        peace for peoples, land for peasants, factories for workers, power for the Soviets

        That's why they hate everything that is written is one complete lie.
        No land, no factory, no world.
        No power to the councils.
        1. Sotskiy April 22 2020 07: 34 New
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          Quote: atalef
          That's why they hate everything that is written is one complete lie.
          No land, no factory, no world.

          Also through the cartoon Yeltsin Center missed? One here, too, repeated after the opening of this center, as if it were wound up: "Galoshes! Galoshes!"
          1. Varyag_0711 April 22 2020 08: 08 New
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            Sovetskiy (Michael)
            Also through the cartoon Yeltsin Center missed? One here, too, repeated after the opening of this center, as if it were wound up: "Galoshes! Galoshes!"
            Well no. This is a victim of an abortion in the Soviet health care system. They saved the bastard, so now he is watering with slops those who saved him, raised him, fed him, taught him. In the promised land, such abortion victims have been prescribed.
            1. Sergey Nemov April 22 2020 08: 51 New
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              His comrade-in-arms Stalin will say the best about Lenin; let us give him the floor.

              "The greatness of Lenin, as the successor of Marx and Engels, in that
              consists that he was never a slave to letters in Marxism. In their
              he followed the instructions of Marx, who repeatedly said that
              Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action. Lenin knew this and, strictly
              distinguishing between the letter and the essence of Marxism, he never considered Marxism a dogma,
              but tried to apply Marxism, as the main method, in the new environment
              capitalist development. AT that is precisely the greatness of Lenin that he
              openly and honestly, without hesitation, raised the question of the need for a new
              formulas about the possibility of the victory of the proletarian revolution in individual countries are not
              fearing that the opportunists of all countries will cling to the old formula,
              trying to cover up his opportunist cause with the name of Marx and Engels. "

              ("On the Social Democratic Deviation in Our Party, vol. 8 p. 249.)
              I.V. Stalin.
            2. ser56 April 23 2020 17: 09 New
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              Quote: Varyag_0711
              . This is a victim of an abortion in the Soviet healthcare system.

              1) you are right - it was in the USSR that abortion became so accessible that it undermined the demography of the Russian people ...
              2) Instead of an answer in essence - you switched to insults - so you have no arguments ... request
              But they really do not exist - instead of peace, a Civil War was unleashed, more bloody, that 1MB
              Instead of land and factories, peasants received enslavement on collective farms, and workers in factories, the standard of living fell, in fact there was a half-starved life ... the power went to the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and its combat detachment of the Cheka / OGPU / NKVD / MGB / KGB hi
        2. Doccor18 April 22 2020 08: 59 New
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          They hate and are very afraid. Because, if such a Lenin appears, their cannibalistic power will end, again they will have to flee to Turkey on the last ship or private plane ...
          1. Lexus April 22 2020 20: 58 New
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            They hate and are very afraid.

            Because in the haters of Lenin such a company. United by a common goal and training manuals.
            1. Deck April 23 2020 06: 04 New
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              It is strange to me that in our time, Putin, Sechin and Gundyaev, some do not understand why Lenin did this to Nikolai, the bourgeoisie and the priests.
              1. Squelcher April 23 2020 22: 25 New
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                In what, maybe Nicholas, the bourgeois and priests, it was also necessary to act?
                Stupidly shoot at 750 thousand a year? How did the Bolsheviks?
            2. Elena Zakharova April 25 2020 22: 00 New
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              Why so categorically?
              For example, I try to judge through the prism of history with a simple question.

              And what good did Lenin’s cause give the Russian people?

              Without emotions, only facts.

              The Russian people, not to be confused with the Soviet, slipped into last place in terms of living among all other European nations.
              A curtain.
              1. toha124 April 26 2020 11: 50 New
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                Those. free medicine, free and even compulsory secondary education, that same 8 hour working day, maternity leave, etc. Don't you think it's good? As for your clarification, yes, it was given to everyone, not just Russians.
                1. Elena Zakharova April 27 2020 16: 23 New
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                  Free is only cheese in a mousetrap.
                  Everything is paid in full from the pocket of citizens ....
                  Therefore, I consider all these as achievements as empty populism.

                  However, in the years of the USSR, it was the Russians who lived worse than all other peoples.
                  Well, I already said about European ones - Russians as a nationality in the years of the USSR were in last place in terms of their living standards among all other European nations.

                  By the way, other peoples in the USSR did not live as badly as Russians, Georgians, Armenians, even Modavans and others ...
                  Question:
                  Why do the Communists hate the Russian people?
        3. Alekseev April 22 2020 10: 16 New
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          Quote: atalef
          because they hate shopping mall everything that is written is one complete lie.

          Now the orthodox Bolsheviks will smack you. However, to me too. When discussing such articles, and even for the anniversary, they bank here. laughing
          You know, they’ll get drunk now, and complain that, they say,
          Quote: Doccor18
          cannibalism
          .
          Choppers simply don’t know, or rather, don’t want to know how “people got tired” when there was really “cannibalistic power”. They would be in the camp for five years. Or "bring under dispossession." Or in a boiler near Kiev or Vyazma. Ah, they will be outraged, what for us? Nothing, chopped wood flies fly. wink In the interests of the world revolution it is possible.
          They say this, they say, is not Lenin, this, they say, is not the best student.
          Whim. An apple from an apple tree ... Tsarism, and even bourgeois societies, were and are far from ideal. It was the decomposition of tsarist, noble Russia that allowed the Bolsheviks to raise the power that was lying on the street. But they, including Lenin, are the main mistake and the crime is that he and his associates wanted to achieve their goals through coercion and terror. to drive humanity with an iron broom to happiness.
          What did it result in?
          What, began to live materially better than in capitalist Europe?
          Or didn’t they take bribes and there was no crime?
          Or the peasants did not become "state" and did not eke out their passport-less existence almost until Brezhnev.
          I forgot, cast iron per capita was smelted a lot and flew into space, nuclear weapons were made. But after all, others received all this without grandiose tensions and sacrifices. (except, perhaps, China)
          Ah, individual marshals and scientists became.
          And under Tsarism, Generals Alekseev (from the peasants), Denikin (father was a serf, rose to the rank of major), Kornilov (son of a Cossack). In terms of material well-being, he was far from Lenin, the son of a state general and Trotsky from the Jewish merchants. Yes, and M. Lomonosov can be remembered.
          But, what to throw the beads, the Orthodox can not be remade anyway, they are Marxist-Leninists, driven by the desire, like dark men, to get a good and fair king, who will cleanse the country from corruption and will issue justice and give out the order and the corresponding content.
          1. Varyag_0711 April 22 2020 10: 48 New
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            alexeyev (alexey)
            What, began to live materially better than in capitalist Europe?
            Well, enlighten us, how did a simple worker live in capitalist Europe before the October Revolution? What social guarantees did he eat, drink, and how many hours a day did he work?
            And under Tsarism, Generals Alekseev (from the peasants), Denikin (father was a serf, rose to the rank of major), Kornilov (son of a Cossack).
            Found three cripples, and are there any other examples? How many academicians from ordinary peasants under the tsar learned, well, the acre of Lomonosov?
            But, what to throw beads, orthodoxy still does not remake,
            And here you are right, such patients as you just correct the grave.
            1. Octopus April 22 2020 13: 16 New
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              Well, enlighten us, how did a simple worker live in capitalist Europe before the October Revolution?

              Here is one dissident - the anti-Soviet fills the American, by the way, the public, 1959.
              I got married in 1914, twenty years old. Since I had a good profession (locksmith), I was able to immediately rent an apartment. It had a living room, kitchen, bedroom, dining room.

              Years passed after the revolution, and it pains me to think that I, the worker, lived under capitalism much better than the workers live under the Soviet regime. So we overthrew the monarchy, the bourgeoisie, we won our freedom, and people live worse than before. As a locksmith in the Donbass before the revolution, I earned 40–45 rubles a month. Black bread cost 2 kopecks a pound (410 grams), and white - 5 kopecks. Fat went at 22 cents per pound, an egg - a penny apiece. Good boots cost 6, from the strength of 7 rubles
          2. Malyuta April 22 2020 11: 04 New
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            Now you will break the minuses of the Orthodox Bolsheviks

            We will not break you, although I would like to, life itself will “break” you.
            At this stage, the teachings of Marx-Lenin-Stalin become arch-relevant and very soon will sparkle with “new colors.” With the fact that the Soviet project was the most successful in the world to argue, it is useless the world will develop exclusively in the direction of socialism and communism in the long term.
            1. Akuzenka April 22 2020 11: 39 New
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              .What the Soviet project was the most successful in the world to argue uselessly, the world will develop exclusively in the direction of socialism and communism in the future.
              Or perish!
              1. Malyuta April 22 2020 11: 50 New
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                Quote: AKuzenka
                Or perish!

                I agree, there is no third.
            2. atalef April 22 2020 11: 52 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              At this stage, the teachings of Marx-Lenin-Stalin become arch-relevant and very soon will sparkle with "new colors

              This is what I like about commies - the fact that they always and everything will happen, tomorrow, in the near future, in the not-too-distant future. laughing
              Only all these orthodox ticket carriers, losers who gave a damn about everything, mourners about the beautiful yesterday and necrophiles - return Stalin to us ----- stuck between the worlds in constant deja vu.
              We were already in your Kaka, thank God they got out.
              I hope that all of this cannibalistic ideology will be forgotten forever and the bogeyman finally buried, I would have buried him at the Butovo training ground, preferably at the site of the former push, or would have burnt the ashes in the wind - so that there would be no DNA left for analysis.
              1. Malyuta April 22 2020 12: 02 New
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                We were already in your Kaka, thank God they got out.

                Let me remind you that your historical homeland appeared at the behest of your former homeland, then they gave you everything from a nuclear bomb to social benefits, including your army built by Soviet officers, the same ones who also took Berlin.
                In vain you throw kakahami into the past, because the future is very vindictive. hi
                1. atalef April 22 2020 12: 39 New
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                  Quote: Malyuta
                  Let me remind you that your historical homeland appeared at the behest of your former homeland,

                  Our historical Homeland appeared then - when Russia was not even mentioned, if you mean the city of Israel - then you take too much upon yourself - UNDERSTANDING.
                  The role of the USSR in this is .but absolutely not fundamental.
                  Israel existed de facto.
                  And even more so I did not organize with the help of the USSR.
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  then they gave you everything from a nuclear bomb to social benefits

                  They gave us - I’ve never seen more delirium.
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  Soviet officers lined up

                  Yes, just the same.
                  Provide the facts yourself?
                  Which of the Soviet officers, on the instructions of the Soviet Union, helped to build an IDF?

                  Quote: Malyuta
                  In vain you throw kakahami into the past, because the future is very vindictive

                  As long as I see one thing, the film - PLACE OF THE MUMIA - is shot clearly about Russia
                  1. Malyuta April 22 2020 12: 52 New
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                    Quote: atalef
                    Our historical homeland appeared then - when Russia was still not in sight

                    Yes, yes, your fellow countryman Shapiro Vova says that "Jews appeared on the territory of Russia and then only Russians and it is unclear who is visiting."
                    I have nothing against the Jews, and I don’t care how and how they turned from Saracens into their own ethnic group and spread all over the world and spread rot all of you and always, from the Crusades to the Third Reich and only the Soviet government washed you, washed you , gave equal rights, and then protected from complete destruction. You at least do not forget this.
                    PySy. Watch the movie "Dad."
                    1. atalef April 22 2020 15: 18 New
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                      Quote: Malyuta
                      Yes, yes, your fellow tribesman Shapiro Vova says

                      I don’t give a damn what Shapiro said - Do you present me the facts, or as always a bunch in a puddle?
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      I have nothing against the Jews and I don’t care how and how they turned from Saracens into their own ethnic group

                      Well, probably about how you turned from the Tatars.
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      and spread all over the world and spread rot you all and always

                      You do not understand the Sidorovs
                      Either we spread rot, then we rule the world?
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      only the Soviet government washed you, laundered you, gave equal rights

                      Seriously ?
                      Prove documented or again farted into a puddle?
                      Russia was one of the last countries in the world to give Jews equal rights, but even that was long before the revolution.
                      https://eleven.co.il/jewish-history/modern-era/15084/

                      Quote: Malyuta
                      and then she protected from complete destruction. You at least do not forget this.

                      the Jews themselves fought somehow and certainly (without imploring the role of the Red Army) - these were not you alone.
              2. Alex_1973 April 22 2020 12: 13 New
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                atalef (alexander)
                I would have buried him at the Butovo training ground, preferably at the site of the former shock, or would have burnt the ashes in the wind - so that there would be no DNA left for analysis.
                Here we will bury you and your kind in such a way that in Russia such diving ducks are no longer born.
              3. Roman123567 April 22 2020 13: 00 New
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                This is what I like about commies - the fact that they always and everything will happen, tomorrow, in the near future, in the not-too-distant future.


                Well, yes .. it’s only Putin’s salary of 2700 dollars was promised to us in the future .. by 2020 .. And we got off the oil needle yesterday yesterday ..
                1. andreykolesov123 April 23 2020 06: 57 New
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                  Quote: Roman123567
                  This is what I like about commies - the fact that they always and everything will happen, tomorrow, in the near future, in the not-too-distant future.


                  Well, yes .. it’s only Putin’s salary of 2700 dollars was promised to us in the future .. by 2020 .. And we got off the oil needle yesterday yesterday ..

                  So all this is only in Israel. Putin didn’t identify the country. So all claims to Natanyahu.
              4. BecmepH April 25 2020 17: 12 New
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                Quote: atalef
                We were already in your Kaka, thank God got out

                And now we are not just in a koke, but in a push, in the thick of it ... with our heads. Not this way?
            3. CSKA April 22 2020 14: 42 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              We will not break you, although I would like to, life itself will “break” you.
              At this stage, the teachings of Marx-Lenin-Stalin become arch-relevant and very soon will sparkle with “new colors.” With the fact that the Soviet project was the most successful in the world to argue, it is useless the world will develop exclusively in the direction of socialism and communism in the long term.

              Do dinosaurs live in some alternative world? Malyut urgently see a schizophrenia doctor.
          3. BARKHAN April 22 2020 11: 20 New
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            Alekseev, let's analyze the achievements of tsarism ...
            illiterate population
            agriculture at the medieval level
            huge infant mortality and virtually no affordable healthcare
            -industrial industry
            -a complete impasse in the development of the state
            -Well, the failure and weakness of the monarchy, which fell from the first poke
            And most importantly, people lived under socialism and the current capitalism is wild. There is nothing to compare with. And this epidemic has revealed all the ugliness and inhumanity of capitalism. The helplessness and cowardice of getting to the feeding trough. I can’t hide the medicine by anything. I hope the population will draw conclusions and vote in the future in fairness.
            I also want to note that most of the current `` Maybach socialists '' have nothing to do with the communists and they only mislead the population. Real communists gave their lives for their homeland.
            Well, now there will be what the population chooses for itself. The time has come to be responsible for their actions.
            1. About 2 April 26 2020 02: 06 New
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              Not so long ago, the newly revived Faberge company made a film about its history and it was told that while Nikolai the second gave away Easter eggs to the right and left expensive eggs of this company, ordinary people in St. Petersburg lived 20 people per 10 square meters.
          4. Per se. April 22 2020 11: 41 New
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            Quote: Alekseev
            It was the decomposition of tsarist, noble Russia that allowed the Bolsheviks to raise the power that lay on the street
            Nothing, Alexei, was "lying on the street". You, and others with similar arguments, as they say, do not see the forest behind the trees.

            First, capitalism itself, from the very beginning, gave rise to the most brutal exploitation of all wage workers, and, "as the people got tired," you tell blacks in the States, and even after the victory of the northerners, dockers in the same England, finally, read Maxim Gorky, if tsarism only with raspberry ringing causes associations or the image of gallant gentlemen officers at balls. World War I was to determine the leader in capitalism, and she determined that the Anglo-Saxons defeated. The main challenger, Kaiser Germany, was destroyed. Together with it, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman and Russian empires collapsed. A strong and united Russia was not needed for the Anglo-Saxons. For this, the February Revolution happened, where Yeltsin, Tsubais and Gaidars were waiting for Russia in 1917.

            Lenin and the Bolsheviks saved Russia by creating a pole of power independent of world capitalism — socialism. Namely, this ultimately made it possible, after 26 years from the creation of the Soviet Union, to make the country a nuclear superpower, and after another 8 years to launch the world's first space satellite. Yes, it was not easy, "from the plow", from the illiteracy of most of the population. What did the current fraternal oligarchs in Russia do for almost 30 years of their bourgeois power, having received not a king’s ruins from the country, but a cosmic superpower? Optimization, reduction, use of a freebie, in which there is no immediate merit of them, is a brisk sale of natural resources and Soviet military developments, in general, eating up the Soviet margin of safety.

            Secondly, for all optimists of capitalism, living in capitalism and being free from the masters of this world system is impossible. You can puff your cheeks by raising the fallen ratings, but you cannot build an independent, "parallel" capitalism, being in a strange pole of power, keeping your money from the masters of capitalism. They tried to destroy the Soviet Union with the hands of Hitler, allowing Germany to arm himself, to take away the potential of almost all of Europe, all for the sake of creating anti-USSR in the face of Nazi Germany. I don’t need here about the boilers near Kiev and Vyazma, Hitler, I repeat, gave up the potential of all of Europe, the British themselves took their feet from under Dunkirk only because Hitler allowed them, being their protégé. The Anglo-Saxons “fucked up” the Germans, having made them work to destroy and weaken the USSR, now Germany is still under actual occupation.

            But, what the Junkers did not do, then the Sneakers did ... We were defeated differently, outplayed in propaganda, advertising, showed monstrous hypocrisy and meanness, so in 1991 they killed the Soviet Union. We are in capitalism, for some, the accessibility of foreign cars and lager beer has become a criterion for well-being ... So why did the crisis come, why the pandemic? Because capitalism does not have a bright future, it has lost its positive, as soon as transnational monopolies have developed, the main trump card competition has become a fiction. Without competition with the pole of socialism, and all concessions began to clamp in the same way, tighten the screws back. The main thing is that world capitalism itself has long been an economic pyramid, where, without expansion, without new colonies, a crisis sets in, a way out of which is war or a natural disaster, with new excess profits on the troubles and sufferings of ordinary people. Capitalism itself has already become a planetary virus that kills humanity with consumer morality and the cult of money.

            And, last, a quote from the movie "Contribution", where the Jew Shlemovich essentially explained the "meaning of being."
            A Jew is not stingy; a Jew is calculating.

            Money should generate money, not pleasure.
          5. Roman123567 April 22 2020 12: 58 New
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            What did it result in?

            Become happier !! This is the main thing ..
            The rest is nonsense ..
          6. CSKA April 22 2020 14: 39 New
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            Quote: Alekseev
            What did it result in?
            What, began to live materially better than in capitalist Europe?
            Or didn’t they take bribes and there was no crime?
            Or the peasants did not become "state" and did not eke out their passport-less existence almost until Brezhnev.
            I forgot, cast iron per capita was smelted a lot and flew into space, nuclear weapons were made. But after all, others received all this without grandiose tensions and sacrifices. (except, perhaps, China)

            Not comfortable you ask them questions.)))))
          7. Doccor18 April 22 2020 21: 13 New
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            Yes, "it was bad in the USSR ..."
            My parents are children of collective farmers, having graduated from a village school,
            both went to institutes, found a decent job by education, got an apartment, worked a lot, but especially not in
            than they didn’t need.
            "And now it’s good ..."
            So that our children have something
            what my parents had, you need to work hard at two jobs
            all life. By the way, guarantees,
            nor any ...
          8. The matter, dear Alekseev, is not a matter of “bribes” and ,, crime ,,,, and not in the amount of, cast iron ,, ... The whole thing is in the struggle, in the confrontation of PEOPLE and nonhumans. Millennial struggle between Good and Evil.
            T.N. ,, capitalism ,, invented and imposed, by ordinary nonhumans ,, (we advise you to call and x - ,, ufo ,, - short, convenient and very sensible since we were a few centuries ago to the whole, civilized world ,,. The motto of this ,, system ,, - ,, Rights without duties! ,, Terrible motto. Capitalists (imperialists, globalists ...) have the right to ride on your neck, use your life as you wish. And your opinion or desire on this issue is ABSOLUTELY not of interest to them.
            Such a topical example. For the past 30 years, most workers in Russia have not seen a salary. In fact, millions of people receive ALLOWANCES. Modest survival aids. Let me remind you that 30 years have passed since ,, RK ,, (,, Capitalist Russia ,,, etc., with the dollar, found its unenviable niche in the dollar ,, coordinate system ,,. And for decades, the allowance for the proletariat of the Republic of Kazakhstan is 200, 300, less often 500 and 1000 dollars. Russian-speaking, capitalists, Kazakhstan pay themselves the usual, American, wages - $ 3000 a month, $ 5, $ 000 and more. Why SO happens, they do not explain. In addition to being rude, there is no money, you will never hear ANYTHING from them (see the motto ,, system ,,).
            Our ancestors for centuries endured Russian-speaking and ,, zazhih ,, UFO. The World War I was prompted by a social explosion, THINKED and ORGANIZED by the international, UFO. The eyes of the UFOs of Germany and Russia, France and England, America and Austria-Hungary shone joyfully ... Such an opportunity is excellent EARNING! But what about PEOPLE? They leave their families, feed lice in the trenches, lose their sight from gas attacks, destroy each other in furious hand-to-hand fights ... See the motto, order ,,!
            How much the workers and peasants of Russia, a serious Orthodox country, suffered this satanic vahkanaliya. And then they said resolutely: ,, Enough! ,, And they left the trenches with weapons and knew why and for WHO (against anyone) they would need it.
            The dear author of the article overestimates the role of the Bolsheviks. The October Revolution of 1917 was the THIRD in a row. They got a UFO and their accomplices from among the “bad people”,,, “erring people,” and frankly stupid people. The Russians, as you know, ,, harness for a long time ... ,, Well, then: ,, Who didn’t hide - I’m not to blame ... ,, Hatred boiled. They chopped with carpentry axes, torn to pieces with hands for only one belonging to the ,, exploiter class ,,. What do you want? ,, Not all cat Shrovetide ,,.
            Of course, not all representatives of the bourgeoisie are UFOs. But this class confidently ,, stamps ,, their ,, packs ,,. This is the peculiarity of the ministry of the golden calf. Not the author of the comment, but the Creator of the Universe distinctly and clearly says to everyone, homo sapiens,: You can’t serve me and the wallet. But if they are not serving God, then to whom?
            UFO representatives can be found in almost any social group.
            But it will be more expedient to allocate them in a SEPARATE CLASS. Unfortunately, Grandpa Lenin was frankly weak in spiritual matters. Otherwise, he would certainly do it himself. We assume that he left us these, clarifications and additions. And it would turn out that we, for everything ready ,,)
            Lenin V.I. and without this, merit before Russia is enough. It is important for everyone to understand that Vladimir Ilyich was RUSSIAN in spirit. Although he lived for many years ,, in Europe ,,. This is the upbringing of the Orthodox hardworking father, upbringing by the environment, upbringing by Russia. Her Tradition, history, culture, everyday life ... After all, here, for example, ,, advice ,, is absolutely Russian, Slavic organ. ,, Nutrient, "the bourgeois parliament is not ours, not Russian. And the advice is ours.
            And if there wasn’t Lenin? Certainly there would be another true leader. Heaven on time gives leaders if PEOPLE en masse begin to fall into ,, a difficult everyday situation ,, and UFOs are too ,, carried away ,,
            1. atalef April 23 2020 05: 49 New
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              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              , Scary motto. Capitalists (imperialists, globalists ...) have the right to ride on your neck, use your life on your own

              Well, actually in the matter of using your life, at their discretion, the Communists were just different.
              For them, in general, the price of human life was equal to zero and is still equal.
              I think there’s no need to give examples

              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              And for decades, the allowance for the proletariat of the Republic of Kazakhstan is 200, 300, less often 500 and 1000 dollars. Russian-speaking capitalists

              but why did you decide that normal capitalism in Russia?
              or maybe you say that in Europe is not capitalism? In Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway. Germany, France?
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              This is the peculiarity of the ministry, the golden calf,

              in my understanding it is better to serve your golden calf - than under the banners the commies fight for the happiness of the world proletariat.
              Plowing is one and the same, but the output is zero and the general deficit, blat and coupons.
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              that Vladimir Ilyich was RUSSIAN in spirit

              controversial statement
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              This is the upbringing of the Orthodox father-worker, the upbringing of the environment, the upbringing of Russia

              Yes . daddy brought up - one son is a terrorist, a regicide (unsuccessful), the second cannibal with a complete lack of a line of moral values.

              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              And if there wasn’t Lenin?

              it would be happiness for Russia
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              Heaven in time gives leaders if PEOPLE en masse begin to fall into a difficult everyday situation

              This is for sure, only one leads the country to prosperity, and the second leads to poverty, terror and, as a result, the collapse of the country.
          9. 210ox April 23 2020 17: 55 New
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            Let's not talk about "dispossession". My grandfather, the "reference owner" refused to join the collective farm. Of course, he did not take up arms and did not protect his property — the house, cattle, himself and his relatives. Yes, they threatened him, saying that we’ll dismantle the hut .. But he sent all three letters, collected the belongings, the family and went to Smolensk. Where he lived his whole life, except the Great Patriotic War, he was at the front, until his death in 1986. It’s time for you, gentlemen, the liberalist to leave the cliches.
        4. Ross xnumx April 22 2020 11: 12 New
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          Quote: atalef
          That's why they hate everything that is written is one complete lie.
          No land, no factory, no world.
          No power to the councils.

          You, if you yourself read laziness, listen to smart people:
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            Quote: ROSS 42

            You, if you yourself read laziness, listen to smart people:

            I listened.
            Yap, completely divorced from reality.
            1. Rosko April 23 2020 20: 27 New
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              Here I read the comments ... and I understand that the real yap is one thing .... and this is atalef
        5. olegactor April 22 2020 11: 36 New
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          That's why they hate everything that is written is one complete lie.
          No land, no factory, no world.
          No power to the councils.



          and you see liberals like the bulk of the love .... so they do not even promise ... and plunder the land and homeland and are ready to sell everything over a hill
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            Quote: olegactor
            and you see liberals like bulk like.

            why should I love him?
            By the way, what is your reason to hate him?
            Quote: olegactor
            so they don’t even promise ... and they’ll plunder the land and the Motherland and are ready to sell everything over the hill

            and who is selling it now?
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      3. Vita vko April 22 2020 06: 54 New
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        Happy holiday to everyone who is for social justice! From each according to his ability - to each according to his work.
        1. knn54 April 22 2020 08: 32 New
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          REALLY saved the country from collapse. Industry, banks, bowels were in the hands of foreigners. EVERYTHING was nationalized.
          The West hoped that the Bolsheviks would finish RI, and a new type of state arose.
          The ideas of FREEDOM, EQUALITY, BROTHERSHIP have taken over the minds of the entire Planet.
          And when it became clear that socialism was firmly on its feet in 1/6 of the world, Western "analysts" drew attention to Hitler and Co.
          Modern liberalists (Russophobe liberals) took part in the looting, destruction of the country.
          And only one thought about social justice makes them angry.
          I want to say that back in 1918, one of the leaders of the Zionists Jabotinsky called
          ideas of the Bolsheviks The main threat to Zionism.
          Happy anniversary!
          1. Akuzenka April 22 2020 11: 35 New
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            Hmm, if God wants to punish a person, then deprives him of reason. Many who "suffered and suffer" from the USSR do not want to understand one thing. Do not be the USSR, if it were not for his victory over Nazism, they themselves would not be in the world. Yes, and Israel would not have been, and maybe the Jewish people. Something prevents them from reaching such a simple thought. Maybe a lack of reason, maybe money, maybe a lack of logic. Not a specialist.
          2. Akuzenka April 22 2020 11: 37 New
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            I want to say that back in 1918, one of the leaders of the Zionists Jabotinsky called
            ideas of the Bolsheviks The main threat to Zionism.

            Of course!!!! After all, the Communists, in their essence, are INTERNATIONALALISTS. Any nationalism is an enemy!
            1. boris epstein April 22 2020 15: 51 New
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              And any nationalism, no matter how it is called, sooner or later degenerates into fascism.
              1. Akuzenka April 22 2020 17: 34 New
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                Colleague, correct. Degenerates into Nazism. Any Nazi is a fascist.
        2. Malyuta April 22 2020 11: 06 New
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          Quote: Vita VKO
          Happy holiday to everyone who is for social justice! From each according to his ability - to each according to his work.

          I take a seat! Look, comrades, what beautiful and capacious symbols were, I believe that they will return.
      4. Xnumx vis April 22 2020 12: 10 New
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        The ideals of Socialism .... ..
        "Lord, if the truth is holy
        The world of the road will not be able to find,
        Honor the madman who will call
        To mankind a golden dream. ---- Along the crazy wandering roads,
        The madman opened the New World for us;
        The madman gave us a New Testament -
        For this madman was a god.
        If tomorrow the land of our way
        I forgot to light our sun -
        Tomorrow, the whole world would light up
        The thought of some kind of madman! "..... humanity will always strive for the ideals of Equality, justice, peace for the peoples, land for the peasants, factories for the workers .... Wave after wave, generation after generation, until they create the right world .. Lenin is a genius of his own time.
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        The peoples did not receive peace, but wars — civil, world and cold, the peasants received collective farm slavery, the factory received five-year workplaces in four years, and the councils displayed power.
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      Quote: ninguem
      In this state, everyone was guaranteed the right to work, all social and civil rights of each person were respected. Everyone felt protected and confident in the future.

      This is for sure - especially after the revolution, the collectivization of ju, and especially since the 37th year.
      Lenin - the one who proclaimed the doctrines of proletarian terror and class struggle in absolute terms
      It cost millions of lives of Russians, it was developed by mar and sweat, hundreds of millions of lives were claimed by his theory.
      Millions of refugees, destroyed families
      Burn him in hell with his entire gang.
      The day of sorrow is his birthday, without him and his communist adherence, the world would have been much better.
      1. Nehist April 22 2020 06: 44 New
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        You are a smart person. On hell such nonsense write that? Collectivization was not inevitable, even now only large agricultural producers (agricultural holdings, if you want) can provide food but not as single farms. Yes pepegiby were not without it, such a time
        1. atalef April 22 2020 07: 04 New
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          Quote: Nehist
          You are a smart person. On hell such nonsense write that?

          It's my opinion.
          The Communists and Lenin at the head of this gang led Russia to the fact that it has been eating for more than 100 years.
          Without the Communists, Russia would be the greatest country in the world, with at least 300-350 million people.
          Quote: Nehist
          Collectivization was not inevitable

          There was no collectivization all over the world, but in Russia it was inevitable.
          Inevitably, the whole fake communist doctrine made a denial of the personal.
          Peasants - without land, workers - without means of production.
          Everything social means nobody.
          Sami kommunyaki (more precisely, the top) - ceased to use the benefits, hanging noodles on the ears of unhappy citizens.

          Quote: Nehist
          even now, only large agricultural producers (agricultural holdings if you want) can provide food but not as single farms.

          Well, of course, it works all over the world - like that, but in a particular country to a friend.
          Again, the holding company has a host and the Russians feed themselves. And what about commies? Had America not sold the USSR (in the 80s) it reached 100 million tons) of grain - hunger would have begun.

          Quote: Nehist
          Yes pepegiby were not without it, such a time

          Kinks - I like the word.
          This type of - collateral losses - a beautiful word for the death of civilians in the conduct of hostilities.
          1. Crossbill April 22 2020 07: 23 New
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            Change already the training manual .. All this nonsense has been disassembled a hundred times by the bones, and you have the nerve to drag these mossy anti-Soviet clichés here again.
          2. Nehist April 22 2020 07: 30 New
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            Yeah, there was no collectivization ... Take Britain with its enclosure ... Or Roosevelt with its simultaneous closure of all banks and zeroing everything. Your kibbutzim are the same collective farm but in Israeli. By the way, Ben Gurion was a socialist and professed the same thing from the very beginning. And as he moved away from socialism, so with our hands the drivers left him. Arguing with you without is helpful. Lenin was an outstanding personality in the history of all mankind and this cannot be taken away
            1. BARKHAN April 22 2020 11: 38 New
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              Quote: Nehist
              Yeah, there was no collectivization ... Take Britain with its enclosure ... Or Roosevelt with its simultaneous closure of all banks and zeroing everything. Your kibbutzim are the same collective farm but in Israeli. By the way, Ben Gurion was a socialist and professed the same thing from the very beginning. And as he moved away from socialism, so with our hands the drivers left him. Arguing with you without is helpful. Lenin was an outstanding personality in the history of all mankind and this cannot be taken away

              And Roosevelt took a golden coin from the whole population ... you understand democracy ...
              And the evil Communists, led by the evil Stalin, helped to form the state of Israel, from where now spray of poison is flying.
              And the Jews created the state of the USSR. And the state of the USA. And the state of the Russian Federation. They sponsored Hitler ... Well, it's just really historical whether someone likes it or not.
              And other Jews gave their lives for the USSR ... Glory to them and eternal memory!
              Ordinary people have never lived so well as under the Soviet Union. Justice is needed by the people, especially the Russians.
            2. atalef April 22 2020 15: 29 New
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              Quote: Nehist
              Yeah, there was no collectivization ... Take Britain with its enclosure.

              Enclosures (English enclosure, inclosure) - the forcible elimination of communal lands and customs in Europe at an early stage in the development of capitalism. This practice led to the impoverishment of the rural population and its eviction to cities, depopulated agricultural land was given for grazing.. The greatest scope of fencing reached in Britain XV — XIX centuries To a lesser extent characteristic of Germany, the Netherlands and France. Marxism refers fencing to the manifestations of the initial accumulation of capital.

              you surely haven’t messed up anything?
              although the result is the same. Komunyaki knew who to learn from


              Quote: Nehist
              Or Roosevelt with his simultaneous closure of all banks and zeroing everything. AT

              in more detail - what did you mean?
              Quote: Nehist
              . Your kibbutzim are the same collective farm but in Israeli

              all the difference is that in our country the state gave state lands to kibbutzim.
              and in the USSR, the state took private land from the peasants.
              Quote: Nehist
              And as he moved away from socialism, so with our hands the drivers left him.

              who. Ben Gurion?
              he was a smart comrade - he realized that this was the road to nowhere.
              Therefore, compare the per capita GDP in Israel and in Russia.
              Although, even under capitalism, the worker is more protected than under the USSR.
              honestly, not in all places, but in large enterprises for sure.
              Quote: Nehist
              Lenin was an outstanding personality in the history of all mankind and this cannot be taken away

              I do not dispute this.
              He was the greatest evil genius, on whose hands and the concept he created, many millions of human lives.
          3. boris epstein April 22 2020 08: 08 New
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            "There was no collectivization all over the world, but in Russia it is inevitable."
            In Spain, there are three types of property in agriculture: latifundia (landowners), state agricultural holdings and collective farms. The most cost-effective are collective farms.
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              Quote: boris epstein
              Spain has three types of property in agriculture: latifundia (landowners), state agricultural holdings and collective farms. The most cost-effective are collective farms

              how did collective farms in Spain organize?
              who owns the land?
              Payment in workdays?
              1. boris epstein April 22 2020 15: 44 New
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                Collective farms organized under the republic, Franco were liquidated, restored after his departure from power. The land belonged to the community, there were communal and private lands. Keep stamps for workdays. Each country develops in its own way, drawing on experience from the mistakes of its predecessors. Similarly, if there had been no economic blockade of the USSR and trade in industrial goods with the USSR only with bread paid by the USSR, it is very likely that there would be no excesses in collectivization and starvation 32-33 years. Socialism in CMEA was also with options. And in general, it would not hurt you to leave your poison for your own use. In microdoses, even poison is a cure. Microdoses in this case are self-criticism and respect for the opponent.
          4. Fitter65 April 22 2020 08: 14 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Without the Communists, Russia would be the greatest country in the world, with at least 300-350 million people.

            The greatest country in the world? Nude Nude. With an illiterate population, and a developed industry? In peasant farms, a metal plow had units. The level of development of agriculture was at the end of the 18th century. The greatest country in the world, where for 10 years from 1901 to 1910 the largest Dux factory assembled a fantastic number of cars and buses 400- FOUR. Russo-Balt from 1909 to 1919 - 632. And only Renault in 1910 produced 5000. Moreover, unlike Russo-Balt and Dux, it did not assemble from other parts, but PRODUCED. Until 1917, there was not a single engine manufacturing plant in Russia, and even ball bearings were imported from abroad ... They didn’t extend them to the number of 300-350 million. To feed such a population, you need a different level of development of society, a different culture of production and agriculture, and all this under the autocracy simply could not be.
          5. Deniska999 April 22 2020 08: 57 New
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            How do you know how it would be. Maybe the tsarist officers would take and arrange fascism. Mussolini, after all, was the Prime Minister under Victor Emmanuel III. In general, engaging in alternative history is a thankless task. Everyone can paint in their own way.
            1. Fitter65 April 22 2020 15: 40 New
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              Quote: Deniska999
              How do you know how it would be. Maybe the tsarist officers would take and arrange fascism

              I do not know HOW it was, I know HOW it was. And I know that many officers went for Soviet power and honestly served it. Example lead? No problem.
              From December 1940, the Podolsk Infantry School was led by Major General Vasily Andreyevich Smirnov (1889-1979), a former officer of the tsarist army, a graduate of the Vilna military school and a participant in the First World War, who served in the imperial army before the commander of the 141 battalion. and then fought in the Civil War on the side of the Red Army. Immediately before being appointed head of the school, Vasily Smirnov led a special group at the military council of the Moscow Military District, and before that he was an assistant to the commander of the 17 Gorky rifle division of the Red Army.
              About A.A Brusilov, you don’t even have to stutter ... Further alphabetically, not significance
              Count Aleksei Alekseevich Ignatiev (February 17 (March 1), 1877 - November 20, 1954) - Russian and Soviet military leader, diplomat, adviser to the head of the People’s Parliament, writer. Major General of the Russian Republic (1917). Lieutenant General of the Red Army (1943).
              ... Still give examples, or find yourself?
          6. Gardamir April 22 2020 09: 42 New
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            there was no collectivization, but in Russia it was inevitable.
            Kibbutzim?
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              Quote: Gardamir
              there was no collectivization, but in Russia it was inevitable.
              Kibbutzim?

              Kibbutzim is not collectivization.
              Collectivization is primarily the expropriation of private land plots from the peasants.
      2. strannik1985 April 22 2020 06: 54 New
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        This is exactly

        I completely agree with you, the arrested officers could not be released honestly, they would have sat for a year or five, thought, you would have looked more intact.
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        Quote: atalef
        It cost millions of lives of Russians

        Well, yes, the truth, if the Bolsheviks didn’t come to power, I think that the country would break up into many formations, which would be led by the British, the French, Americans and Japs
      4. Plantagenet April 22 2020 07: 00 New
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        “It is true that Lenin had an eagle flight, he could simply surprise: in one night he turned -“ land to the peasants! ” (and we'll see), in one day he came up with the Brest Peace (after all, it’s not that Russian, even a Georgian, it hurts half of Russia to give Germans, but it doesn’t hurt him!) Don’t say anything about NEP, it’s trickiest of all, to such maneuvers and not ashamed to learn.
        What was above everything else in Lenin is super remarkable: he firmly held real power only in his own hands. The slogans were changing, the topics of discussion were changing, the allies and opponents were changing, and full power remained only in their own hands!

        But there was no real reliability in this man, he had a lot of grief with his economy, to get confused in him. Stalin correctly felt in Lenin flimsy, over-shifting, finally a poor understanding of people, no understanding. (On his own, he checked this: with what he wanted sideways - he turned around, and from that only Lenin saw him sideways.) For the dark melee, which is the true policy, this person was not fit. Stalin felt himself more stable and firmer than Lenin as much as sixty-six degrees of Turukhansk latitude stronger than fifty-four degrees of Shushenskaya. And what did this book theorist experience in life? He did not pass the low rank, humiliation, poverty, direct hunger: even though he was poor, he was a landowner.

        He never left the link, so exemplary! He didn’t see the real prisons, he didn’t see Russia either, he spent fourteen years talking about emigration. And for the whole Civil Lenin, he got a job in the Kremlin, he kept himself safe. And Stalin had to roam for three years, to drive all over the country when he was riding, when in a cart, and freezing, and basking in the fire. "

        A. Solzhenitsyn "In the first circle"
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          A. Solzhenitsyn "In the first circle"
          Solzhenitsyn will not lie, yeah. By the way, it certainly will not lie, but it continues to spoil Russia.
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            "in one night he turned -" land - to the peasants! " (and then we'll see), "Do you think it's a lie here? Or maybe here "one day I came up with the Brest Peace (after all, it’s not that Russian, even Georgian, it hurts half of Russia to give Germans, but it doesn’t hurt!)?"? No, probably here - "He didn’t see the real prisons, he didn’t see Russia either, he spent fourteen years talking about emigration."
            PS "Don’t talk about NEP at all, it’s the trickiest thing, it’s not a shame to learn such maneuvers." Here, I absolutely agree. No politician is ashamed to learn such a maneuver. It is also necessary, for which they fought for it and ran into it.
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              He didn’t see the real prisons, he didn’t see Russia either, he spent fourteen years emigrating
              Hahaha, Solzh, as a connoisseur of real prisons and never an emigrant, is ridiculous, yes.
          2. Basil50 April 22 2020 10: 13 New
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            To Vladimir
            This * ..... Brehunta * has a literary heiress who finds and tries to attach * a previously unknown *, just like the official widow of Baron KARL Friedrich JERONIM von MUNCHHAUSEN in the film - * The same Munchausen * according to Gorin's script.
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          one day came up with the Brest Peace

          How hard it was when a person heard a ringing but don’t know where he is. Yes, there was the Brest Mir_ only you would first study the reasons that forced to come to this world, and only then would Lenin declare half of Russia to the Germans. By the way, it so happened that in the west there wasn’t a single combat Russian General who could lead troops against the Germans? Admiral Kolchak turned out to be on the opposite side of the Urals. And what kind of fleet did we have in Siberia?
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          Well, the rotten informer Vetrov was taken out again. Authority for some. And how much can they swing, smelling like that?
      5. Unknown April 22 2020 07: 03 New
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        how bursting you from the mention of V.I. LENIN. How much negativity, and yes. They still ask why they hate it, as if they were not visible. Well, now let's move on to your delirium about millions, etc. but how much has capitalism killed millions? for what interests unleashed two world wars in which a lot of people died? Now there is no USSR, and naturally the CPSU, and that the world has become better? I doubt it. everything goes to the fact that capital this world will finally destroy, together with the entire population of our planet. so that Lenin will be remembered more than once.
      6. Revival April 22 2020 07: 06 New
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        It's better without you
      7. Pravodel April 22 2020 07: 55 New
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        Dear, wake up, do not bear the cheap nonsense of an undereducated youth.
        1. Collectivization — a necessary measure that the country — the USSR — should have resorted to after the introduction of a grain embargo — a ban on trade in traditional goods of traditional export: plants were built to pay for delivered goods and equipment, and the foundations of industry were laid, which allowed victory in WWII - only bread was accepted. Gold, currency, were not accepted for payment. Doesn’t resemble the current situation?
        2. The foundation of medicine, which is now fighting the epidemic, was laid by the Bolsheviks, among them, for example, Semashko. And fighting, by the way, is very good. The truth is, there are liber friends ... you who strive to spit on the approaching victory.
        3. I hope you studied at a free school, or maybe you got free higher education, so you got free education at school and free higher education thanks to the Bolsheviks. If you are such a hater, then pay for your own education and training.
        4. It was the Bolsheviks who did not allow Russia to collapse and turn it into a colony of separate principalities fighting among themselves. This is exactly what your Anglo-Saxon friends were striving with all their might. In the 90s, they, together with the traitors inside Russia, tried to repeat this scenario again, but it didn’t work out again, only not because of the Bolsheviks, but because of the patriots. Do you hate Russian patriots too?
        etc., etc., etc.
        To give a fair historical assessment of what the Bolsheviks did, we can safely look back at the dashing 90s - the repetition of 17 years in Russia. The Bolsheviks saved Russia. Only thanks to the Bolsheviks did Russia survive and the Russian people survived. And that was their historical mission.
        In the 50s, the Bolsheviks were replaced by talkers and a talker trying to make friends with the West, after which the Union rolled to the abyss, the collapse of the Union was a foregone conclusion. Completed the collapse of your closest friend - labeled helmets with their surroundings. He certainly was not a Bolshevik. What he was, the people have long determined. Liberal friends continued his work.
        Now, thank God, we are moving away from this liberal chernukha, and Russia is gradually returning to its traditional path. It’s the harm that hinders its return to the right path, just such haters of the Bolsheviks for whom the traditional values ​​of Russia are a terrible evil that must be fought by any means possible. It will not work, Russia will not turn off its path and will be a great power - the Third Rome.

        "People-State-Fatherland"- this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united nation, prospering for centuries the Fatherland, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
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          "People-State-Fatherland" is the slogan of every Russian patriot. "A strong state, a united people, a prosperous country for centuries, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies."

          “As long as the government of the capitalists is at the head of the Russian people, there is not a single penny for this government that is conducting a grab war! .. The Russian people, workers and peasants do not want and will not oppress a single people; - they don’t want and will not forcibly keep a single non-Russian within the borders of Russia
          (non-Great) people. Freedom to all peoples, fraternal union of workers and peasants of all nationalities! ”
          Lenin V.I. The order of deputies elected to the factories and regiments to the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies. May 1917. PSS. T. 32. Page 40
          1. Kronos April 22 2020 10: 03 New
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            Well, let's rally with Sechin and Abramovich, he will like it
      8. tihonmarine April 22 2020 08: 12 New
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        The day of sorrow is his birthday, without him and his communist adherence, the world would have been much better.

        The day of sorrow with us did not come with the Lenin Revolution, but when Trotsky, Sverdlov, Sobelson, Zemlyachka and the like came to it, this is what our people do not forget.
        1. AlexSam April 22 2020 13: 10 New
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          What prevented you from Trotsky and Sverdlov? The fact that Trotsky, raving about the idea of ​​a world revolution, then peddled, does not detract from his contribution to the armed uprising in October 17th and the October Revolution as a whole, the creation of the Red Army and the successful conclusion of the Civil War. Sverdlov didn’t manage to do anything at all that would somehow destroy the Land of Soviets, for he rested in 1919.
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            What prevented you from Trotsky and Sverdlov?

            I just don’t understand where so many Trotsky adherents appeared on the site. But then I began to understand I.V. Stalin.

            And very little has been written about Sverdlov, but there are very good monographs and articles. If desired, you can find very interesting.
      9. Malyuta April 22 2020 08: 30 New
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        atalef (alexander)

        150 years, by historical standards, is not much, but how many global changes have occurred during this time and Lenin is undoubtedly the greatest historical figure.

        PySy.m you Alexander hi and I can remind every contra of the Black Hundreds and Unter Adolf.
      10. oracul April 22 2020 08: 35 New
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        I advise you to take a closer look at yourself at least something from the theory of Marxism-Leninism, and not rehash other people's thoughts. Then you would know that the Trotskyists were masters in the absolutism of ideas, that the dictatorship of the proletariat was proposed by the founders of the movement as the only means of struggle and protection of workers from the bourgeoisie, which drowned many revolutions in the blood. And at least they tried to understand that the USSR had practically no peace time for building a new state, meeting fierce resistance both from the side of the former elite and from abroad. It was on the battlefields of the Civil and Patriotic Wars that the passionary potential of the people was undermined, which was largely represented by the Bolshevik Communists and the best part of the former elite of Russia, which went over to their side. And there was also a titanic work to restore a destroyed and bloodless country. And there was a victory. But the best died, and in their place came many of those insignificants who wanted to consume and live like theirs in the West and did not want to share with the people. The result is sad.
      11. Mordvin 3 April 22 2020 22: 07 New
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        Millions of refugees

        Atalef! And let me ask, what are you running from?
    3. astepanov April 22 2020 10: 20 New
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      Why hate Lenin
      Do not exaggerate. If you interview schoolchildren and students, many do not even know who Lenin is, while others do not remember such a surname. What hatred is there.
      This thought occurred to me: if Lenin is great, then his colleagues in the revolution are great: Rykov, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Trotsky, Tomsky, Shlyapnikov ... But they were all destroyed, some by a bullet, some by an ice ax. As the delegates of the first congresses of the RCP (B.) Were almost completely destroyed. If Lenin had not died in the year 24, perhaps he would have suffered the same fate. But he died - and they made a banner, an icon out of him. Who knows, if Lenin had lived a few more years, they would have talked about him as the secret enemy of the revolution exposed by Great Stalin.
    4. Shadow April 22 2020 15: 33 New
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      Still, Marxists are trying to build a different society from former people, without going beyond their purely animal nature, which involves comprehensive competition and the desire to maximize their own comfort while minimizing efforts to achieve it, but not happiness for everyone and rejection of the alienation of the individual . Even within the framework of a socialist state, hedonistic and selfish aspirations do not disappear, sooner or later digesting in themselves all sorts of ideas of brotherhood and equality, and its citizens again reproduce the same hierarchy of a flock of monkeys, where the strong and the wise have a donut, and the rest - a hole from it as a special favor from the leader. It is pointless to rebuild society without changing the very way a person thinks, without forcing him to move to a new, supra-animal stage of development, and without protecting this new person from the attacks of former individuals, conflicting and egocentric, and therefore having a tremendous advantage in the absence of real restrictions.
  2. DMB 75 April 22 2020 05: 54 New
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    Who hates Lenin? The exploiters and their henchmen. Happy birthday to Ilyich, comrades!
    1. Mitroha April 22 2020 07: 02 New
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      I honestly don’t understand at all, is this a story that one can hate a story? This past tense, it ALREADY was, and it WILL NOT change under any circumstances, despite the “love” or “hate” of anyone.
      And to hate one’s story is “such a thing for oneself” a manifestation of the scarcity of the mind.
      1. depressant April 22 2020 08: 55 New
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        Mitroha, not the poverty of the mind - moral narrow-mindedness, selfishness, as well as the subconscious or conscious, but carefully hidden conviction of a person that he would not be the Great October Socialist Revolution, he, this person, would be born in the family of a landowner or capitalist and would now be "a proud, respected member of society, a very big person, a member of the narrow circle of the elect." And now this man is rummaging through the unrealized, lost capabilities of his ancestors - those that they did not have. This is akin to the current yearning "Well, why, why I was not born into the family of a billionaire?!?" And if the ancestors nevertheless belonged to the “narrow circle of chosen oppressors of the common people,” then we see the realization of hereditary class hatred that crept in, scrambled toward us a century later and overtook us all in the form of the present monstrous reality. And she, this reality, locked social elevators for carriers of imaginary or real hereditary privileges, as well as for those who simply jumped into the elevator. And each of these people, who managed to rise to at least some kind of socio-economic floor, was stuck in it and trembling in horror: even if the elevator did not go down. Trembling and rushing about in a feverish search: who can I blame for the fact that I, self-sufficient, cannot increase the degree of my self-sufficiency and confidence in the future the way I want? I press the button, but the elevator does not go up! Moreover, some villains want to return the cabin to the lower floor to squeeze into it too, there are a lot of them, their crowd, the elevator will never go up! So who is to blame for the appearance of a crowd of hungry villains, also convinced of their right to a decent life?!? Of course, Lenin! .. But to accuse Jesus Christ is weak?
        All this talk about the worthlessness of Lenin is in favor of the morally poor.
    2. Uncle lee April 22 2020 07: 03 New
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      Therefore, they hate V. And. Lenin
      1. ninguem April 22 2020 08: 27 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Therefore, they hate V. And. Lenin

        All his life V.I. Lenin devoted himself to the liberation of workers and peasants from the oppression of the autocracy, from the oppression of capital, from the power of the capitalists and landlords, to the building of socialism and a just state. Therefore, they hate Lenin. They are still afraid of Lenin.
  3. Cottodraton April 22 2020 05: 56 New
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    Modern managers, pro-Western orientation, it is very important to denigrate the history of the country. Especially the Soviet period, when the country received a mega development impulse. From which it still burns in some.
    You can also try to instill in the people through the prism of history hatred and complexes for their history and for themselves. Based on the same Lenin, although the tendency is to criticize the whole story.
    First, criticism of personality and history, then denial, and then its replacement.
    What this will lead to can be seen in the example of a neighboring country.
  4. serg.shishkov2015 April 22 2020 06: 07 New
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    Yesterday I looked through my collection of badges - and this is several hundred - and put down the badges about Lenin,
    it turned out several dozen! I didn’t even look at the brand - and so I know that Lenin there is at least an album. I collected them because I believed! I believed sincerely! Like many on this forum! I will never believe that all forum users in the USSR were ardent opponents of the Soviet Government, oppositionists and dissidents! Never!!! write that please- the Internet, like paper, will endure everything! Or almost everything! I look forward to many cons and caustic comments, but I do not want to be silent! I’m leaving a lot of comments on the sim! Excuse me!
    1. boris epstein April 22 2020 08: 16 New
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      In the DNI issued postage stamps with images of Lenin and Stalin.
  5. vomag April 22 2020 06: 20 New
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    Gentlemen-Comrades, before writing any kind of game, just remember what positions Comrade Lenin held in the state ... and you did not forget that this state took all decisions collectively .. for example, the decision was made by the plenum of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) ... adopted a decision at the 1st Congress of Soviets of the USSR ... and here's another thing since from 1919 until the year of his death, Kalinin held the post of head of state (in different years it was called differently) in the RSFSR, and then the USSR.
  6. 7,62h54 April 22 2020 06: 21 New
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    Well written, thanks.
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      Quote: 7,62x54
      Well written, thanks.

      Of course well written. Lenin and Stalin in our hearts forever.
  7. Volga073 April 22 2020 06: 21 New
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    Lenin led the Jewish coup.
    Because of him, several tens of millions of Russians died,
    including the royal family.
    1. Alexander Suvorov April 22 2020 06: 44 New
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      olga073 (MIKLE)
      Lenin led the Jewish coup.
      Because of
      Because of such mediocrity as you, you become ashamed of our education.
      Because of him, several tens of millions of Russians died,
      To study, study and study again, as grandfather Lenin bequeathed. And maybe then causal relationships will open up for you and you will find out that the king himself is to blame for these deaths.
      including the royal family.
      After what they had done in Russia, they had no chance to stay alive, no one, including children. If they had not been shot, then perhaps several million more people would have died. So rightly so they got it.
      1. bober1982 April 22 2020 07: 30 New
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        If they hadn’t been shot, then several million more would have died.

        Say a little cryptic, not entirely clear.
        And who exactly shot, and how did the great leader Ilyich himself relate to this?
        Children do not mind, as I understand it. Stalin, by the way, was very squeamish about the participants and organizers of this massacre, I wonder why?
        1. Alexander Suvorov April 22 2020 08: 18 New
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          bober1982 (vladimir)
          And who exactly shot,
          Excuse me, do you name your names or are you banned in Google?
          and how did the great leader Ilyich himself relate to this?
          And how? If you have personal confessions of Vladimir Ilyich, then share.
          Children do not mind, as I understand it.
          I feel sorry for the children, but these are not ordinary children. Because of these children, another civil war could break out with millions of corpses of quite ordinary children. So, I feel sorry for millions, they are just not guilty of anything. And royal children are simply not lucky to be born royal children. And then, if you really care about the tsar’s children, well, remember what you did to the same children under the tsar’s rule. The fate of John Antonovich to help you, you are our guardian.
          Stalin, by the way, was very squeamish about the participants and organizers of this massacre, I wonder why?
          Do you, again, have Stalin's personal memories of this?
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            Excuse me, do you name your names or are you banned in Google?

            Why do I need these names, the names of the regicide, well known, and without any gugel who organized the murder, the Bolsheviks or the Communists?
            1. Alex_1973 April 22 2020 08: 54 New
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              bober1982 (vladimir)
              who organized the murder, the Bolsheviks or the Communists?
              For those whom education had bypassed, at that time there were no communists in the generally accepted concept, there were Bolsheviks. And then, what actually matters who organized the murder? Have you already explained that this measure was necessary, or does it reach you from the tenth time?
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                And then, what actually matters who organized the murder?

                It is commendable, I mean - you yourself honestly admitted that it was a murder.
                Therefore, Stalin was so disgusted.
                Trotsky, Sverdlov, Yurovsky, and other togagischi, who are the Bolsheviks? And why did other party comrades treat them with such hatred. The fierce hatred of the Bolsheviks towards the Bolsheviks is certainly something.
                1. Alexander Suvorov April 22 2020 09: 35 New
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                  It is commendable, I mean - you yourself honestly admitted that it was a murder.
                  Yes, it was a deliberate murder, and what of that? They gave you an example about John Antonovich, but you somehow modestly ignored that it was also a deliberate murder. Here we see, here we do not see, but here in general we wrap fish? Why don't you mourn Tsarevich Dmitry, Alexei Petrovich, Peter II and III, Pavel Petrovich? What are you so worthless about Nikolashka then rested? Or admit that under the Romanovs even greater lawlessness was going on, conscience does not allow? What do you wag your tail like a dog at the sight of a handout?
                  Therefore, Stalin was so disgusted.
                  Did Stalin personally tell you about this? Can you give an example of his squeamishness?
                  Trotsky, Sverdlov, Yurovsky, and other togagischi, who are the Bolsheviks?
                  You apparently have not heard other surnames? Will you bring the names of the regicide or will you find yourself?
                  And why did other party comrades treat them with such hatred. The fierce hatred of the Bolsheviks towards the Bolsheviks is certainly something.
                  Can you give an example, and not your empty boltology? And then, people were always and everywhere different, including among the Bolsheviks. What do you want to show with your boltology?
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                    What do you want to show with your boltology?

                    You are very talkative, not in moderation.
                    Poor, poor John Antonovich!
                    1. Alexander Suvorov April 22 2020 10: 01 New
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                      You are very talkative, not in moderation.
                      That is, as always, you have nothing to object to. That’s why you made a loud bunch and sat in the same puddle. All your arguments are very easy to beat, because you are the bulk crunching here and angry that you have nothing to oppose to the achievements of the USSR, except for an empty gap.
                      Poor, poor John Antonovich!
                      What, this is not a pity? Well, of course, you can’t write down Catherine II as a Bolshevik, can you?
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                        Well, of course, you can’t write down Catherine II as a Bolshevik, can you?

                        I agree, you can’t write it down, I was fond of the elements of a sweet bourgeois life, which one is Bolshevik.
        2. Mordvin 3 April 22 2020 22: 13 New
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          Stalin, by the way, was very squeamish about the participants and organizers of this massacre, I wonder why?

          Did he have to cry?
    2. Barmaleyka April 22 2020 06: 58 New
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      Several tens of millions of Russians died because of him.

      these millions died because of the unwillingness on the one hand to carry out their direct duties with Nicolaška, and on the other, because of the treason of the oath by the top of the country, including the Grand Dukes
  8. krops777 April 22 2020 06: 22 New
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    In general, from Lenin and the Bolsheviks since the 1990s, they have been sculpting the image of bloody lawless people who destroyed Russian statehood, overthrew the autocracy, killed the tsar and his family, unleashed a bloody civil war, drowned the country in the blood of millions of innocent victims in order to seize power.


    Isn’t that so? Yes, come to power after Lenin, Trotsky and not Stalin would be the USSR as we remember and love him, it is unlikely that Russia would no longer exist.
    1. Nehist April 22 2020 06: 40 New
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      If Trotsky came to power, the USSR would not exist! Remind you how the adventurous campaign to Warsaw ended?
      1. krops777 April 22 2020 06: 42 New
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        Remind you how the adventurous campaign to Warsaw ended?

        History dear comrade, I already know well without you, so no need.
        1. Nehist April 22 2020 06: 48 New
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          Well, then you know bad. Since the goal of Trotsky was the world revolution. The first failure in Germany, by the way, happened, but the resources there were not measured in a booze.
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            Since the goal of Trotsky was the world revolution. The first failure in Germany happened by the way

            For starters, you decide who Trotsky was, read the archives if there is of course an opportunity, maybe something will change, and so, each has its own subjective opinion.
            1. Nehist April 22 2020 07: 01 New
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              I know perfectly well who Trotsky is and I will even say more that he had a lot of sound ideas and suggestions, but one small But !!! It was not possible to apply all this to everyone and immediately as he wanted. Lenin was not ideal either, but it was his ideas and plans that were more real than the ideas and plans of Trotsky. To be honest, it’s a pity that they couldn’t find a compromise, then something would be gross
    2. tihonmarine April 22 2020 08: 18 New
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      Yes, come to power after Lenin, Trotsky and not Stalin would be the USSR as we remember and love him, it is unlikely that Russia would no longer exist

      Then there would be a complete genocide of all peoples inhabiting Russia.
  9. The leader of the Redskins April 22 2020 06: 28 New
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    And in the article I did not consider the answer to the question WHY hate Lenin.
    A brief digression into history - was ...
    The vision of the author of this historical moment was ...
    The speech that Lenin was saving was ...
    And why the answer? ... - did not notice ...
    1. apro April 22 2020 06: 36 New
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      Hatred of VILenin only because he proposed another way of human development that was not based on personal enrichment.
      1. tihonmarine April 22 2020 08: 26 New
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        Hatred of VILenin only because he proposed another way of human development that was not based on personal enrichment.

        Hatred of Lenin began even before the October Revolution, and not of Lenin himself, but of the ideas of creating a Socialist society, proclaimed in 1848 in the "Manifesto" of Marx and Engels. World capitalism was also not idle, they created their own Capitalist International. But hatred of Lenin appeared after the Bolsheviks seized power, taking it from the capitalists. For them, Lenin and his ideas still drive them crazy.
    2. saigon April 22 2020 07: 39 New
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      Why do they hate?
      The question is both simple and complex at the same time.
      At first glance, it seems like hatred is caused by the idea of ​​socialism, but somewhere deep in the soul (deeply hidden, personal, not shown to anyone), the superiority of the figure of Lenin over contemporary political figures.
      It is difficult to admit that the ideological adversary is superior to the head and how to live with such awareness. Freud has a very interesting analysis of the complex of catching up with a superior person.
      Lenini aroused the love of some and the hatred of others, vividly to the gnashing of teeth teeth, and what feelings do the current rulers evoke?
      Creating and introducing new principles, new ideals into people's minds is worth a lot.
      This is a landmark event for civilization (no matter how it relates to the Soviet project to be a supporter or opponent of social ideas), the creation of a new formation of the Soviet system.
      Well, then about the economy, you can compare the speed of development of a war-ravaged country with our time.
    3. Nyrobsky April 22 2020 07: 59 New
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      And in the article I did not consider the answer to the question WHY hate Lenin.

      If very simplified then
      - Under the “Tsar” in the village there was a splinter, a church, a tavern, a landowner and a farm laborer.
      - Under "Lenin" in the village appeared - a house of culture, a library, a school,
      kindergarten, post office, hospital, work for everyone, pension and of course - Ilyich’s bulb.
      The people remember how it was under Lenin, but they forcefully stuff it with "zuleikha" and other cinema shit, because they cannot provide the villagers with the standard of living that Lenin brought them to, since they themselves could only do one thing - return the village to the church and tavern level " Soon they will cut off Ilyich’s bulb and give him a splinter.
      1. The leader of the Redskins April 22 2020 08: 41 New
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        I agree, but it is in this article .... The name, in general, does not match.
        1. Nyrobsky April 22 2020 08: 46 New
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I agree, but it is in this article .... The name, in general, does not match.

          Nazarius, everything that is missing in the article in the context of the name is inscribed between the lines hi
  10. wolf701 April 22 2020 06: 37 New
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    HAPPY BIRTHDAY V.I. LENIN is 150 years old. Thanks to this man in Russia and then in the USSR, everyone received a free education. Volga073, what do you know about LENIN and the royal family bourgeois propaganda works well for you yet you will not see the Jews. Between Volga073 in the Tsar’s village, the Tsar’s family threw sweets to peasant children on holidays. So Volga073 go read the history of LENIN’s works, everything written there about capitalism is now suitable for our time, our ancestors did not want to live like that anymore. In short, you are drowning for the bourgeois, the small-town bourgeoisie will soon dump the whole west, and we will again restore the country, but we will not allow more mistakes like the collapse of the USSR.
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    It's funny how the author’s phrase - “where a person will be free from exploitation, will become a creator and creator, and not a consumer slave.” correlates with article 209 of the Criminal Code of the USSR: The systematic practice of vagrancy or begging, continued after a second warning made by the administrative authorities, is punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of up to two years or correctional labor for a term of from six months to one year. But what about freedom from exploitation?
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      Quote: savage1976
      article 209 of the Criminal Code of the USSR: The systematic practice of vagrancy or begging ...... But what about freedom from exploitation?

      And where is the operation in this law? And who was exploited during the USSR?
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        Well, let's take a look at the beginning, and what is exploitation. "Operation - the appropriation of the results of another person’s labor without exchange or with the provision in return of goods (services, money), the cost of which is less than the value created by the labor of this person during working hours." correctional work paid? And at what rate? But what about article 40 of the USSR Constitution, it is about the right to work, and not about the obligation to plow. Oh, and since you don’t want to plow voluntarily, we will force you. But what about freedom from exploitation? And why on earth would a man sew an article for his love of travel? And under article 60 of the same constitution, labor is already a duty. But what about personal freedom?
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      Quote: savage1976
      The systematic practice of vagrancy or begging, continued after a second warning made by the administrative authorities, is punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of up to two years or correctional labor for a term of from six months to one year.

      But now the "homeless" beggars have invaded not only cities, but also villages, how many are unemployed, but then "freedom". A people is free from everything, it has become simply a beggar. And you still write this. Just walk down the street and you will see this "freedom."
      1. savage1976 April 22 2020 08: 48 New
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        Well, of course, slavery with a full belly is much better. I completely agree with you. Everything in the world is cyclical, with an empty belly screaming of bread and circuses, we surrender to slavery for a plate of pottage and enjoy, give freedom with a full belly and get it we roll in tartarara to an empty belly. There are no bad capitalists and good socialists. Each one presents his good to show and hides his skeletons deeper.
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          There are no bad capitalists and good socialists. Each one presents his good to show and hides his skeletons deeper.

          I don’t know, maybe you’re right, but so far I haven’t met good capitalists.
          1. savage1976 April 22 2020 09: 35 New
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            And what does a bad and good capitalist mean? The one who gave all his good to the needy? But he is no longer a capitalist, he has distributed everything and everything has ended with him. And the one who continues to manage the factories and gives work to thousands of families, part of the money is sent to help those in need, but he probably does not forget about himself and his family as bad? But is the socialists creating a separate medicine for himself and his neighbors, separate shops, separate houses, is he good? Name at least one factory worker at the level a locksmith, a turner, who would get an apartment in Stalin's skyscrapers? Not for "these" however they were built. But what about socialism?
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: savage1976
            There are no bad capitalists and good socialists. Each one presents his good to show and hides his skeletons deeper.

            I don’t know, maybe you’re right, but so far I haven’t met good capitalists.

            Well, in vain you are such a good capitalist, this is a dead capitalist (a joke ... or not? ... I don’t know)
            But it seems that over the past 30 years of capitalist labor, the guard begins to get tired ...
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            ... well, so - walk on different streets - so you don’t meet ..
        2. Varyag_0711 April 22 2020 09: 17 New
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          savage1976
          Well, of course, slavery with a full belly is much better.
          It might be better for you. Only the capitalist will not fill your belly, but quite the opposite. So personally, I would love to live with socialist "slavery" than with "free" capitalism.
          1. savage1976 April 22 2020 09: 29 New
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            And what is the difference between your choice of slavery for pottage and mine? And it is that I have a chance to break out, you do not have it, you gave your chance.
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              avage1976
              And what is the difference between your choice of slavery for pottage and mine? And it is that I have a chance to break out, you do not have it, you gave your chance.
              And far escaped? Became the owner of factories, newspapers, ships?
              No, these were elevators in the USSR, and now if you were not born in the family of an official or an oligarch, then the path to you is further ordered. You cannot even get a normal education if your parents are simple hard workers and work for a beggarly salary of 15-25 thousand.
              So you go with your rotten ideology forest erotic journey.
              1. savage1976 April 22 2020 10: 12 New
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                From the foolish except for rudeness, nothing was expected. This is the essence of all the supporters of socialism. They themselves in manure and dream of getting everyone there. Well, you have already gone.
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                  From the foolish except for rudeness, nothing was expected.
                  And who told you that you are smart? And then, what rudeness did you see?
                  This is the essence of all the supporters of socialism.
                  We modestly remain silent about the rotten essence of all the supporters of capitalism.
                  They themselves in manure and dream of getting everyone there.
                  I’ll tell you a secret, in the dung just capitalism with its achievements and hangers-on.
            2. tihonmarine April 22 2020 10: 02 New
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              And what is the difference between your choice of slavery for pottage and mine?

              Yes, life is not in only one stew, although without it it is impossible. Explain to you, this is not my business, and others will not want to. You have your own opinion and you created it for yourself, but mine is mine. We all now live under capitalism. But the best example of capitalism, one might say an indicator of capitalism, is Ukraine.
              1. savage1976 April 22 2020 10: 20 New
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                Alas, we do not live under capitalism and for a long time and even the whole world does not live under capitalism, but rather under global theft. But around us certain conditions have been created allowing us to somehow solve our problems, some are better, some are worse.
                1. tihonmarine April 22 2020 10: 29 New
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                  Quote: savage1976
                  Alas, we do not live under capitalism and for a long time and even the whole world does not live under capitalism, but rather under global theft.

                  Capitalism, this is just global theft, as V.I. Lenin wrote in the article "Imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism" only now it is beautifully called "globalization".
                  1. savage1976 April 22 2020 13: 02 New
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                    Capitalism is still an economic concept, competition and struggle in a market, commodity-money-commodity, and now money-money-money. And imperialism is more a military-political concept aimed at the forceful (MILITARY) solution of problems, issues and competition. Alas, goods-money-goods have not been working for a long time, and this is in many ways the problem. And it is precisely to this that the whole world should first return.
                    1. tihonmarine April 22 2020 13: 33 New
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                      Capitalism is still an economic concept, competition and struggle in a market environment,

                      IN AND. Lenin. We have only one slogan, one motto: everyone who works has the right to enjoy the benefits of life. Parasites, parasites, sucking blood from the working people, should be deprived of these benefits. And we proclaim: all to the workers, all to the working people!
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                        And using this slogan, the party nomenclature established salaries, allowances, individual hospitals, shops and other paupers. Well they care about the people day and night.
                      2. tihonmarine April 22 2020 18: 39 New
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                        Quote: savage1976
                        And using this slogan, the party nomenclature established salaries, allowances, individual hospitals, shops and other paupers.

                        I completely agree with you, now the good guys have come to power, and now they live only on a meager salary (remember, under Stalin there was a party maximum), they have no allowances, shops and hospitals. And why do they need shops and hospitals, they all have it behind the cordon.
  • Sergey Averchenkov April 22 2020 06: 48 New
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    And where did you get the idea that they hate Lenin? It seems to me quite the opposite. And what liberals say ... So they are antagonists, and if Vladimir Ilyich had the honor of crushing enemies alive, then these are crap on the mausoleum. And what else remains for them? Gadenko of course it looks ... But they have no other choice - as they say, a person dies twice ... The first time is physical death, the second when they forget. So, Vladimir Ilyich will drink at their wake.
  • svp67 April 22 2020 06: 53 New
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    The truth is that the Russian autocracy and the Russian empire were not killed by the Leninist commissars, but by the elite of “old Russia” —the great princes and aristocrats, generals and dignitaries, members of the Duma and leaders of leading parties, bankers and industrialists, the bourgeoisie and the liberal intelligentsia. Even churchmen took part in this business. The prosperous, prosperous and educated part of Russian society wanted to live “like in the West”, to arrange a “sweet” Holland, England or France in Russia. Without a king, autocracy, feudal “remnants”, with rights and freedoms. Create a parliamentary republic. Make Russia a part of European civilization. The old dream of the Westerners.
    I’m reading this and everything exactly the same as it was in the 90s when the USSR was "killed", only then there was no new Lenin ...
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      Here I read it and everything exactly the same as it was in the 90s when the USSR was "killed", only then there was no new Lenin ..

      Yes, it was not, because Lenins are born once every hundred years, and maybe two hundred.
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        Yes, it was not, because Lenins are born once every hundred years, and maybe two hundred.

        Well, given that Lenin was born in 1870, then apparently two hundred ...
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        because Lenins are born once every hundred years, and maybe two hundred.

        And, what does it matter if, according to one famous proletarian (?) Suicide poet ........... Lenin is now more alive than all living, and even added ..........sharp melancholy became a conscious pain.
        For most comments felt.
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: svp67
        Here I read it and everything exactly the same as it was in the 90s when the USSR was "killed", only then there was no new Lenin ..

        Yes, it was not, because Lenins are born once every hundred years, and maybe two hundred.

        Better let in 100000
        1. depressant April 22 2020 23: 04 New
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          But Hitlers in various guises breed with enviable constancy, capitalism is a suitable forage base.
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            Quote: depressant
            But Hitlers in various guises breed with enviable constancy, capitalism is a suitable forage base.

            Well, the communist regimes in terms of cannibalism have long surpassed capitalism.
            Show me at least one country with a socialist development path (according to Lenin or Mao) - where there was no terror against their citizens.
  • Olegater April 22 2020 06: 55 New
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    Good morning, dear forum users!
    Happy birthday to the great reformer and Man who gave hope to the simple Russian people to become Great! And to all those who denigrate him or trash his NAME, and whether these subjects are Russians.
    I have read a few offensive comments for me now. Guys, calm down your ardor. Such comments are not currently quoted. And expose yourself at the level of traitors of the White Guard.

    Happy birthday, dear Vladimir Ilyich Lenin !!!!!!!!!
  • Svarog April 22 2020 07: 00 New
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    Why hate Lenin

    Because they are afraid of socialism and they are afraid to say goodbye to the "excessively acquired"
  • Egoza April 22 2020 07: 01 New
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    Personally, I will always be grateful to V.I. To Lenin. It was thanks to his ideas that I lived in a wonderful country - the USSR.
    The only thing is that he was mistaken with Ukraine and Ukrainians. Well, and who is not mistaken?
    And I can’t help but note how sometimes people “crave” either to lick, or to mock quietly. Judge for yourself
    http://izbrannoe.com/news/video/teper-ya-videl-vsye-balet-lenin-i-brevno/

    Now I saw everything ... The ballet "Lenin and the log"
    http://izbrannoe.com
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      Madam hi
      Quote: Egoza
      whether to lick, the ballet "Lenin and the log"
      Well, if the author here and tried to "lick" something from someone, then it was with his president then - Nazarbayev
      “The ballet premiered in Almaty in 2013 and was a resounding success. Then it was called "Hammer and Sickle." Now we have put it with some changes and under the name "Falcons of the revolution." The main characters - Abay (Kazakh poet, public figure), Marx, Lenin, Stalin and our Kazakh president (Nursultan Nazarbayev) - he went on stage at the end of the ballet. "
    2. tihonmarine April 22 2020 09: 18 New
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      The only thing is that he was mistaken with Ukraine and Ukrainians. Well, and who is not mistaken?

      Yes, of course, the founder was mistaken, but it was not his fault. He relied on the proletariat, and not on the peasantry. But Ukraine was the agrarian part of the Russian Empire, and the ideas of socialism were alien to it, the peasantry in Ukraine with its lands lived richer than the whole empire. And the peasant on the genetic structure remains a peasant. A hundred years have passed, but that has not changed. Well, V.I. Lenin, who was not a peasant, could not have foreseen this.
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      Quote: Egoza
      Now I saw everything ... The ballet "Lenin and the log"
      http://izbrannoe.com

      Is the log a Krupskaya?
  • Pavel73 April 22 2020 07: 10 New
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    There are no absolutely good and absolutely bad rulers. Each ruler of Russia has brought her both benefit and harm. And the whole question - what more? Lenin did more harm than good. Stalin did more good than harm. Khrushchev and Brezhnev - more harm than good. Andropov and Chernenko - had little time, it’s hard to say. Gorbachev and Yeltsin - more harm than good. Putin - more than harm.

    One indicator is bread and the economy in general. With whom - hunger and devastation, and with whom - restoration and creation. With whom, bread was bought abroad, and with whom it was exported.
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      We put in the USSR bread for the Far East it was cheaper to buy abroad than to transport from the central regions. Which did not stop from exporting from the same central regions. Here Sorry economy and the socialist system is not connected in any way.
      1. Pavel73 April 22 2020 07: 45 New
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        Connected. I was killed by the phrase "crushed the village." And it is presented as an achievement! That is, the peasantry, which fed the whole of Russia and the field of Europe with bread, was considered the "petty-bourgeois class" subject to forced collectivization. This led to the fact that the earth was no longer a master. A man vitally interested in the harvest and profit. Result: the mass exodus of people from village to city, and the purchase of bread in the United States and Canada for petrodollars. And as soon as oil became much cheaper, the USSR was left without bread (and many other food products). Soon he was gone.
        1. Crossbill April 22 2020 08: 35 New
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          Permanent hunger in tsarist Russia. The situation in agriculture at the end of the 20s. Mechanization of agriculture. Growth of labor productivity in agriculture. Growth of cattle stock in the USSR. Share of energy resources in exports of the USSR. Open these theses, link them between yourself and maybe then you stop writing this game ...
          1. Pavel73 April 22 2020 09: 24 New
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            Well, and how do these theses combine with food purchases abroad at sunset of the USSR?
            1. Crossbill April 22 2020 09: 38 New
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              What kind of food? What years?
              1. Pavel73 April 22 2020 10: 05 New
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                For example, grains. From the beginning of the 70s until the collapse of the USSR.
                1. Crossbill April 22 2020 10: 10 New
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                  This is not food, this is fodder. I’m writing to you, work on the theses
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                    But what difference does it make: do we eat this bread ourselves, or cows, which we then also eat?

                    I remember well the eighties - the deficit is literally everything, and the queue is literally everything! And for bread, and for milk. And after the sausage - even to the fights. We have a huge meat factory in our city, but there is no meat, there is no sausage, take the line in the morning! Then, in general, it came to coupons.

                    Why was it like that? But that was why the food security of the country was not ensured. Import dependence.

                    And this, in turn, was because there was no landlord in the village. And there were no normal human conditions for life. Everyone fled to the city, and there was no one to feed the country.
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                      The difference is big. Therefore, they bought grain so that you would not rush into the queue for bread with cows (if you suddenly have a poor harvest). Problems with manufactured goods were due to illiterate and populist decisions in the domestic economy, and not because of the poor work of collective farmers. Yes and it was possible to solve the problem of filling the shelves at times. But then, people like you would vote that you are fighting with the working people at a price ...
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                        The fact remains: meat is in short supply; everything else is the turn. This is Soviet reality. Directly related to a personal disinterest in working well. "In the center of the hammer, on the side of the sickle, this is our Soviet emblem. If you want life, but you want to strike - you still get ......". And the purchase of American grain in case of crop failure is something ridiculous. And why in such a case could not be purchased from ourselves? And why did such "crop failures" come to us only from the beginning of the 70s and continued until the beginning of the 90s?
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                        Work on the theses .. Read about the growth of cattle stock ... It was easier to buy grain for forage than to lose the livestock in the event of a crop failure .. There was only meat in stores since the mid-70s .. In markets and at grocery stores you want to buy as much as you want ... In 70-80 everyone ate meat at least once a day .. In any dining room there were meat dishes .. In short, work on the theses. .
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                    Bread grain differs from feed grain in a higher gluten content. The Mishkorbat years are not socialism, but voluntarism. The ideological and economic father of the hunchback was Nikserhrushch. Only that was stopped and demolished (a bit late, though), and the hunchback completed his work all the way. I lived then and I remember the line for bread at Nikserhrushch in 62-63 years because of the dope of Nikserhrushch with peas and corn, even where they do not grow. The same virgin land. There was such an academician, Terenty Semenovich Maltsev. He said that virgin soil should not be raised with dump plows but with cutting plows. And before plowing virgin lands, you first need to plant protective shelterbelts and build infrastructure - housing, roads, a communal apartment. And after its removal, everything appeared.
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    I think that Zuleyha was not so easy to see. In Walks of Pain, Tolstoy describes this period. There was no sense in lying to him. He was already a recognized writer. Now we remember Lenin as the leader of the revolution. And someone is a tyrant. And Stalin is a tyrant. And they won’t understand one thing, if there were no USSR, then there would be no Russian Federation.
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    Incredible. Samsonov's article, which in 4/5 (to matrix code) are written basically the right thing.
    In Russia, the population, starting with children in schools, ... was depicted by the Bolshevik commissars as an unclean force that killed and trampled Holy Russia.

    The fact that the author went to a school of life, where life was taught not from textbooks, has been clear for many years.
    In general, from Lenin and the Bolsheviks since the 1990s, they have been sculpting the image of bloody lawless people, hired German intelligence, who destroyed Russian statehood, overthrew the autocracy, killed the tsar and his family, unleashed a bloody civil war, drowned the country in the blood of millions of innocent victims, to seize power. And after the victory, they set up a totalitarian concentration camp in Russia, the "evil empire" - the USSR.

    All is true, with the exception of German intelligence. These take money, but not for sale, as another freedom fighter put it. And at the expense of "sculpting the image" - the school version of the story is relatively neutral, most teachers are still Soviet people, alas.
    the new Russian "elite" ... tried to hide uncomfortable questions from the people .... fraught with the threat of the awakening of the Russian people, which always stands for truth and social justice.

    Nonsense. There will be nothing on the part of the people, and the "elite" understands this perfectly. Maximum - the "elite" will devour each other. Like that time.
    The fact is that it was not Lenin and the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Russian empire and autocracy ...

    In this paragraph, everything is correct. The Bolsheviks were radicals, the conditional Right Sector, banned in Russia. Before the revolution, they had their 2% and after the revolution they would return to the same values. At the peak of the movement, they had 22%.

    Another thing is that the foundation itself was a disaster, 100% of the left.

    Moreover, unlike the forbidden sector, the Bolsheviks understood that their main enemy was the bourgeois government, and not the invaders. Including therefore they won, unlike.
    The truth is that the Russian autocracy and the Russian empire were not killed by the Leninist commissars, but by the top of “old Russia” —the great princes and aristocrats, generals and dignitaries, members of the Duma and leaders of leading parties, bankers and industrialists, the bourgeoisie and the liberal intelligentsia. Even churchmen took part in this business. The prosperous, prosperous and educated part of Russian society wanted to live “like in the West”, to arrange a “sweet” Holland, England or France in Russia. Without a king, autocracy, feudal “remnants”, with rights and freedoms. Create a parliamentary republic. Make Russia a part of European civilization. The old dream of the Westerners. In 1917, they were revolutionary revolutionaries.

    All is true. This is not the first time that Russian “progressive" forces have tried to end up in Russia, which they have planned for themselves. The previous republics of slaves - Haiti, Liberia - did not teach them anything.

    Likewise, 30+ years ago, people with good faces looked with emotion at Europe, especially at Russia without the Bolsheviks - Finland. Nobody looked at Africa then, as it had already shown in '93 - completely in vain.
    Deep-seated contradictions and faults have been accumulating in Russia for centuries. Autocracy and a strong army were the last bonds that held back chaos.

    Yes. Then it happened again and again.
    Bloody unrest and the intervention of external forces put an end to the Russian world and people.

    )))
    Authors like Samsonov usually forget that Germany and the small states it created were the main external force that occupied the former Russia. Both of them nailed or crushed the Entente, with its Curzon lines and other nonsense, giving the Bolsheviks a chance. However, Samsonov, under the interventionists, for some reason seems to me to understand the sinister Anglo-Saxons in the amount of two or three companies.
    The Russian Communists decisively broke with the past world, did not try to resurrect the corpse. However, they offered the people a new reality and a new world. The Bolsheviks turned out to be the image of a new world attractive to the vast majority of the people (workers, peasants, part of the Cossacks and officers), they had iron will, energy, faith and organization.

    All is true. Of course, they lied, but this is no longer important.
    Factories, institutes and laboratories instead of taverns and brothels.

    )))
    Lyapni Vladimir Ilyich somewhere at a rally that closes taverns and opens new factories - would not have left alive.
    Lenin and the Bolsheviks laid the foundation for a new Russian great power - the USSR.

    How do Russians like to cling to alien great powers. They say the Golden Horde was also a great Russian power.
    Under Lenin, people of labor began to receive free housing and free education for the first time.

    )))
    The Bolsheviks came up with the very concept of "free." Prior to this, such tricks, of course, existed for a long time, in Rome, where bread (free) and circuses (free), but an extensive system in which supposedly free goods and services exist, were invented in the USSR.
    led to world revolution. Across the world, oppressed and enslaved peoples sought freedom and social transformation.

    Nevermind your application. So even Trotsky did not star.

    Soviet power built Christian democracy in the FRG;
    Hence the hatred of the current bourgeoisie, capitalists and their hangers-on from the liberal intelligentsia towards Lenin and Stalin.

    Well, don't. We hated Lenin and Stalin for different things (I’ll join the henchmen from the liberal intelligentsia from old times).
    We hated Stalin for cannibalism; he was an enemy of man as a biological species.

    We hated Lenin because he put an end to Russia, to which many of us had sentimental feelings (again, we had planned Russia for ourselves, like the February liberals). Here Samsonov is right, it was not Lenin who did away with, but he became a symbol of the end of Russia.

    The RSFSR Lenin-Trotsky had the same relation to Russia as the German kingdoms had to the fallen Rome.
    1. Barmaleyka April 22 2020 07: 28 New
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      Quote: Octopus
      We hated Lenin for putting an end to Russia

      you forgot to mention that it was the Tsar’s Lenin who overthrew laughing
      Quote: Octopus
      We hated Stalin for cannibalism; he was an enemy of man as a biological species.

      and in the morning drank the blood of babies fool
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        Quote: Barmaleyka
        Lenin overthrew the tsar

        Samsonov writes and writes to you that the tsar was removed by the commanders of the fronts, and even his text cannot be strengthened for you.

        Quote: Barmaleyka
        drank the blood of babies

        No, the blood of Christian babies is to Trotsky, do not confuse.
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          Quote: Octopus
          to overpower

          cool!!!!
    2. samarin1969 April 22 2020 08: 04 New
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      A very balanced and tough analysis from the Octopus. hi

      I’ll add that for 10 years now, as the leadership of the Russian Federation has moved away from the ideology of the “New Russian Empire”. "Admirals", the Russian Orthodox Church, the martyrs of the Romanovs ... all this is becoming a thing of the past ... Now films about Charayev, officialdom of the 100th anniversary of the Red Army, the young Stirlitz, the Yalta Conference is a "trend".

      PS Samsonov probably does not know, but the school textbooks of History of grades 5–9 are practically a copy of Soviet textbooks: both in material and in ideology. Added a few paragraphs about "humanism" - and that’s it. So, Samsonov is very, very exaggerating. According to ideology, the Russian Federation is much closer to the USSR than it seems to the author of the article.
      1. Octopus April 22 2020 08: 29 New
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        the leadership of the Russian Federation is moving away from the ideology of the "New Russian Empire." "Admirals", the Russian Orthodox Church, the martyrs of the Romanovs ... all this is a thing of the past ...

        No.
        Of course, I do not particularly follow the officialdom, but because it comes to me, Samsonov is just completely in trend.

        The current official position is millennium-old Russia. From Vladimir to Vladimir, so to speak. The USSR fits into it just like the Russian empire, which Samsonov loves so much. The modernization note of Soviet propaganda, we will renounce the old world, the first state of workers and peasants, without priests and landlords, gold-bearing and blue-tunic, all this shnyaga is emasculated, and the theme of continuity, which sounded mainly in relation to the Second World War, is pedaled. Therefore, in many ways, the Second World War acquired such a significance (which in Soviet times it never had). It's really assemblage point such a historical concept, the weld of Russian-Russian and Soviet projects.

        Again, the theme of the continuity of the USSR - the Russian Empire allows you to "slip" the seam of the USSR - the Russian Federation, which can be taken for one country only in delirium.
    3. NordUral April 22 2020 19: 23 New
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      Well, don't. We hated Lenin and Stalin for different things (I’ll join the henchmen from the liberal intelligentsia from old times).
      We hated Stalin for cannibalism; he was an enemy of man as a biological species.

      We hated Lenin because he put an end to Russia, to which many of us had sentimental feelings (again, we had planned Russia for ourselves, like the February liberals). Here Samsonov is right, it was not Lenin who did away with, but he became a symbol of the end of Russia.


      Who is this "us", explain.
      1. Magistr April 22 2020 19: 27 New
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        Quote: NordUral
        Who is this "us", explain.

        Do you think they are direct and recognized? Children and grandchildren of Vlasovites and other fists, policemen .. hi
        1. NordUral April 22 2020 19: 40 New
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          I agree, and not only them. How many of them came running today, and everyone insists that Stalin killed all of their ancestors in the gulag.
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            Quote: NordUral
            How many of them came running today, and everyone insists that Stalin killed all of their ancestors in the gulag.

            They have seized our media for a long time, that’s the problem .. After the Second World War, many real Communists and loyal party members killed and their place was taken by “veterans of the Tashkent front” .. First, Stalin lied, rolled, and then a matter of technology ..
            We all know the result .. Now they want to finish it off completely, but so far we are resisting .. soldier
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            Yes, the nits crawled out of all the cracks and the dust will not take them anymore, and Stalin is not on them yet!
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        Who is "we", explain

        It says it seems.
        Quote: Octopus
        to the hangers-on from the liberal intelligentsia from the old memory

        hi
        1. NordUral April 22 2020 21: 39 New
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          You flinch Octopus. Who are "we?
          1. Octopus April 22 2020 22: 47 New
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            Quote: NordUral
            You flinch

            Why ask if you don’t need an answer?
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              So you get away from the answer, Octopus. What you offered me as an answer is a set of words that are slurred.
              1. Octopus April 23 2020 11: 21 New
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                The author of the article proposed a list.
                Hence the hatred of the current bourgeoisie, capitalists and their henchmen from the liberal intelligentsia to Lenin and Stalin

                I chose what suits me best. I don’t pull on the capitalist, alas. If this list does not suit you, I can’t help you.
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                  The fact that you chose this is understandable. And here are who you call we?
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                    Want Existentialism?

                    Not to me.
  • Amateur April 22 2020 07: 15 New
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    Only the October Revolution saved Russia. Lenin and the Bolsheviks. Russian the communists took power, which was just lying in the mud.

    Politburo, elected at the Plenum of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.) March 25, 1919 Members: V.I. Lenin (Form for Mother) - Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars), L.B. Kamenev (Lev Rosenfeld) (chairman of the Moscow City Council), N.N. Krestinsky (lawyer from Mogilev), Secretary of the Central Committee of the party), I.V. Stalin (since 1898, People's Commissar for Nationality), L.D. Trotsky (Leiba Bronstein) (People's Commissar for Military and Naval Affairs, Chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic); Candidates for membership: N.I. Bukharin (editor of the newspaper Pravda), G.E. Zinoviev (Evsey Radomyslsky) (Chairman of the Petrograd Council and Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Comintern), M.I. Kalinin (Chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee).

    This bloody maniac, who began to distribute the territory of the Russian Empire, with his "international" team that unleashed a civil war in which millions of white, red and generally neutral were killed and led to the complete impoverishment of one of the richest countries in the world.
    The horror of the deed in Russia frightened the capitalists around the world so much that they voluntarily began to improve the working and living conditions of their working class and their peasant farmers just to prevent communist revolutions.
    Ulyanov must be in the mausoleum, because his body does not want to accept Russian land. In due time, it will be necessary to report to him on alcoholic Gorbachev. And write at the mausoleum: "Here lie the people who, through their actions, caused the maximum harm to the Russian land. The current and future leaders of Russia! Think about the consequences of your decisions. Otherwise, you will lie next to these."
    And do not unite Lenin and Stalin. Lenin could only destroy.
    JV Stalin took from him a destroyed country with a civil war, and left to the descendants one of the strongest and richest countries, and even “with a bomb”.
    They may ask me: "Are you a Stalinist?" Yes. I am a Stalinist. And you know why? My illiterate grandmother (I learned to read in educational program) with 3 children born on 21, 24 and 29 in 1932 she remained a widow (grandfather died). The eldest uncle graduated from Tomsk honey. Institute and became a military doctor. Mom at the age of 16 attributed to herself 2 years, graduated from teacher courses and began to work as a teacher. She graduated from the Pedagogical Institute in absentia in the 50s. The younger uncle graduated from the energy faculty of the Polytechnic in the mid-50s. Like this!
    In the 90s, I had to pay for the higher education of my 2 daughters. Well, how will my 4 grandchildren learn - I’m even scared to think.
    1. DMB 75 April 22 2020 07: 25 New
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      In the 90s, I had to pay for the higher education of my 2 daughters.

      Is Lenin to blame? And I think that for alternatively gifted citizens they put a minus ...
      Well, how will my 4 grandchildren learn - I’m even scared to think.

      You are addressing this question to the authorities, not to Lenin. He just wanted everyone to study for free.
      PS It’s true that it’s an amateur.
      1. Amateur April 22 2020 07: 36 New
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        .Or a copywriter.

        The word "advocate" is written through O.
        By the way. Lenin’s great merit was that he simplified Russian grammar by abandoning all kinds of things. erov and other things. However, literacy continues to be low.
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          Lenin’s great merit was that he simplified Russian grammar by abandoning all kinds of things. erov and other

          Lenin has nothing to do with the reforms of the Russian language.
          Changes to the spelling rules of the Russian language began to be developed in 1904, in 1911 they were approved, officially declared in May 1917, and then further by the Lunacharsky Decree, they were finally fixed under the Bolsheviks. What great merits of Lenin can be here.
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            What great merits of Lenin can be here.

            It turns out that this is not his merit. However. drinks
            1. bober1982 April 22 2020 08: 13 New
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              Quote: Amateur
              It turns out that this is not his merit. However

              By the way, there was no benefit or sense from this reform, so Ilyich could say “lucky” - he certainly didn’t get into the whole story with the reform of the language, he’s clean, that’s all Lunacharsky.
        2. NordUral April 22 2020 19: 18 New
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          The word "advocate" is written through O.
          No, it is written through the "o", if you teach others, then do not make mistakes.
          And do not take verbiage away from the subject and topic of conversation.
      2. DEDPIHTO April 22 2020 08: 51 New
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        PS It’s true that it’s an amateur.
        hi On the site of such ,, Stalinists ,, a wagon and a small cart, but in fact if not a neocot. laughing .
  • 7,62h54 April 22 2020 07: 26 New
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    Today, a vote has been set for the nullification of the constitution. The Kremlin diaspora could not know about the coincidence of the voting day with the birthday of Ilyich. It would be very symbolic for them, to return again to the tsarist regime, but already officially. Fortunately, this has not happened yet and such a date has not been tarnished. Perhaps aim at November 7th.
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    power - to the Soviets

    That is the question. Power - to the Soviets, not the lobbyists of the big bourgeoisie in the Duma. Happy holiday to all! Happy birthday to grandfather Lenin!
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    Lenin is still more alive than all the living!
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    There is even a version that some of the Bolsheviks worked in the interests of the tsar’s intelligence services.
    ... R.V. Malinovsky, a Russian politician, a member of the Central Committee of the RSDLP, a Bolshevik, was an agent of the Moscow Security Department in 1910 and a police department in 1912. At the filing of Malinovsky, the secret police arrested Nikolai Bukharin in 1910, Sergo Ordzhonikidze in 1912, Yakov Sverdlov in 1913 and Joseph Stalin in 1913. Member of the State Duma of the 4th convocation. He entered the Russian army with the outbreak of World War I, was wounded and captured. In the Menshevik newspaper Unity No. 1 of March 29, 1917, was charged with Malinowski as a traitor, in fact, after being captured ".. quickly settled in the same field he knew. After the betrayal of his comrades, he began to betray his homeland. German the government adopted Mal Nicholas’s service and was entrusted with Germanophilic and defeatist propaganda in prisoner-of-war camps. A soldier of the 4th Kakovsky Regiment, V. Vinogradov, who had returned from a German prisoner as an invalid, testifies that he saw Malinovsky in the Alter Grabov camp and that Malinovsky was highly regarded among German officers. "In 1917 he was secondly accused of provocation, the Extraordinary Investigation Commission of the Provisional Government revealed his close cooperation with the Tsarist secret police. After being released from captivity in 1918 he returned to Russia to justify himself from charges of provocation. Convicted and executed by sentence of the Supreme Tribunal of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of November 5, 1918 in Moscow. The fact that the German intelligence flirted with the Bolsheviks, the author has no doubts, and that the party of the Bolsheviks was riddled with secret police agents, the author is in doubt laughing In the Bolshevik party, the smallest including the top party, more than 2 thousand secret police agents were introduced. Source V. Ignatov "Scammers in the history of Russia and the USSR"
  • Borvox April 22 2020 07: 52 New
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    I read the comments and once again remembered Stalin's quote: "If your enemies criticize you, then you are doing everything right." Lenin for the first time moved from theory to practice in Marxism. Any theorist will say that without mistakes (kinks) this is impossible to do. Moreover, in negative comments, as a rule, there is no any concept of the theoretical works of Lenin and Stalin, Marx and the study of the history of Russia. This was studied in lessons at schools, institutes and universities. By the way, free medicine, free education, a 7-hour working day, is the same legacy of the October Revolution and socialism. Critics simply stamp the well-known cliches .... Forgetting that there were always excesses ...: "Stolypin tie, Bloody Sunday, Lensky shooting ..." Yes, and much more, around the world. No one will remember the history of Burkina Faso at the end of the last century (USSR Sunset) .... but we have enough parrots ...
  • Krasnodar April 22 2020 07: 54 New
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    Day after day run of the year
    Dawns of New Generations
    But no one ever
    Do not forget the name Lenin
    Lenin is always alive
    Lenin is always with you
    In sorrow, in hope and joy.
    Lenin in your spring,
    In every happy day,
    Lenin is in you and in me!
    fellow
    1. bober1982 April 22 2020 11: 00 New
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      Lenin is in you and in me!

      How is it?
      In the sense of how, and specifically in which category of citizens and what nationality.
      1. Krasnodar April 22 2020 12: 14 New
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        1) In the cerebral cortex
        2) Category - slob
        3) Nationality - Jew! fellow
        1. Pane Kohanku April 22 2020 16: 20 New
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          Nationality - Jew!

          He shouted: "Error is here!
          It's me - a Jew! "
          And to him: "Not very much here!
          Get out the door! "

          (V.S. Vysotsky). By the way, also half Jewish! drinks
          In the cerebral cortex

          they managed to dedicate me only in October, but wore an asterisk with pride ... hi
          1. Krasnodar April 22 2020 16: 36 New
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            And I was a pioneer
            How to tie a tie
            Take care of him
            He after all with a red banner
            Colors of one
            1. Pane Kohanku April 22 2020 16: 53 New
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              And I was a pioneer

              I didn’t go to school yet, but one of my childhood memories is a demonstration in the late 80s in Leningrad. I was happy - then they bought me ice cream. good
              1. Krasnodar April 22 2020 16: 55 New
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                I was also happy about the Soviet holidays - was born on November 7, by the way laughing
                1. Pane Kohanku April 22 2020 17: 11 New
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                  born November 7 by the way

                  sketched ... yes and who did not rejoice at them? drinks
                  1. Lexus April 22 2020 21: 05 New
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                    Hello! And I was lucky to be a pioneer.
                    1. The leader of the Redskins April 23 2020 09: 29 New
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                      And in 1990, I even managed to join the Komsomol)))
                      1. Pane Kohanku April 23 2020 10: 43 New
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                        And in 1990, I even managed to join the Komsomol)))

                        but I did not have time to be a pioneer. In the fall they should have accepted, and in August in Moscow, famous events took place ... hi When they said. that Leningrad will be renamed to St. Petersburg, I, petty, had a feeling of misunderstanding and even some kind of rejection ... sad
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                        Eh, youth). I, here, 2 minuses slapped for my pioneering. Obviously, the laurels of the Soviet pioneer of peace do not give rest to modern site followers of the post-Soviet Hinkeligend and seem dangerous memories.
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                        I, here, 2 minuses slapped for my pioneering.

                        Alexei, I corrected your karma for my part. wink And two more good people were found. I can’t say a single bad word about my childhood. He grew up in a normal family, and considered the country the strongest and happiest. drinks
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                        We were lucky with childhood. And now I communicate with young people, sensible, not disastrous, but they have no future, worse ... they don’t see at all. Those with a head, just the parents did not provide "fat". Extinct youthful maximalism. One without which there is no road to the future of a large and strong country. And therefore, when yesterday the notorious “Gadia”, from whom a child escaped to Canada, again confused the warm with the soft, trying to equate the current, more ostentatious, volunteering with self-sacrifice during the Great Patriotic War, it looked shamelessly ridiculous. I urged others, you know, to throw embrasures with their children in the name of the Sechenomiller Usmanotenbergs and their godfather, the Russians only at the place of feeding, knowing that their own brood would not take part in this idiocy. For the "master" good themselves to blow away the zapadlo. But to others please. request
  • Oleg Skvortsov April 22 2020 07: 57 New
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    Great was the Man! He will be remembered ..
  • Million April 22 2020 08: 06 New
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    Lenin, glory to Stalin!
    Gorbachev and his followers are a shame!
  • rocket757 April 22 2020 08: 19 New
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    Everything is obvious from the beginning. The rich are not going to lose the loot!
    1. vik669 April 23 2020 00: 40 New
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      Yes, they were never going to lose, and as a result ...!
      1. rocket757 April 23 2020 06: 55 New
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        The results are different. One thing is for sure, nothing happens just like that, on its own, on its own.
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          Quote: rocket757
          The results are different. One thing is for sure, nothing happens just like that, on its own, on its own.

          You know, Victor, the more I read on this topic now, the more surprising I find.
          For example, at the beginning of the 17th year, the RSDLP (B) totaled about 24000. But many were arrested and hid. And Lenin himself did not expect to live to see the proletarian revolution. Other steps had to go through yet. According to the Marxist students.
          However, the moment has come, ----- THERE IS SUCH A PARTY!
          The genius of Lenin
          1. rocket757 April 23 2020 07: 47 New
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            Without labor, nothing happens by itself. There are still coincidences, luck and so on, different, but this also does not fall into the hands, usually. Besides, you still have to be able to use it.
            And again we return to the fact that without labor I didn’t even take the fish out of labor!
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            2. Reptiloid April 23 2020 08: 07 New
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              All matches are usually well prepared.
              Quote: rocket757
              Without labor, nothing happens by itself. There are still coincidences, luck and so on, different, but this also does not fall into the hands, usually. Besides, you still have to be able to use it.
              And again we return to the fact that without labor I didn’t even take the fish out of labor!
              1. rocket757 April 23 2020 08: 21 New
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                It is often claimed that an accident is an attempt that they forgot to warn about !!!
                It happens, but not always.
                In short, things happen in life! But one must hope for oneself, always and in everything!
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                  in the 14th year, the newspaper PRAVDA stopped publishing, at the beginning of March it resumed, began to appear. Then, in other cities, the Bolshevik newspapers --- in Kiev, Kharkov, Tiflis, Revel, Kronstadt, Saratov, Kazan
                  1. rocket757 April 23 2020 08: 54 New
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                    Everything that happened before cannot be transferred to modern conditions, for objective reasons.
                    To accept as a concept that everything is in our power, if we are engaged in business.
                    1. Reptiloid April 23 2020 09: 15 New
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                      Victor, the history of the Revolution and our pre-war --- everything is reduced to a primitive, a lie, a crunchy suffering
                      Weakened country, famine, devastation, epidemics. ----- defeated Civil, recovered, rose. All this is Lenin. And his comrade Stalin.
                      ....... the network is buggy
                      1. rocket757 April 23 2020 09: 49 New
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                        Remote classes are coming. The network is overloaded.
                        This is what Dmitry will say.
                        All of our food, is the merit of OUR PEOPLE!
                        Leaders come and go, but the people have worked, are working, and will be working!
                        The only way.
  • steelmaker April 22 2020 08: 40 New
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    To the author plus. And such articles are not enough in school history textbooks.
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    where everything was perfect; in the destruction of the "elite" of society - the clergy, the nobility, officers, merchants
    The demagogy of pure water, for the minority, may have been fine, but not for the majority of the people of Russia, if there was an idyll, then there would be no revolution and Lenin would not be a priori demanded. By the way, our oligators are stepping on the old rusty rake in modern Russia, creating poverty at the bottom, creating a super-rich elite at the top, History does not teach anything.
    Gold hoopoes is shared with the people, remember Lenin’s grandfather more often laughing
  • Avior April 22 2020 09: 20 New
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    How old is the author? Did he live under the USSR?
    He knows that the overthrow of the tsar and the elimination of the monarchy in Russia have always been noted by the Bolsheviks as one of their main achievements?
    And now, it turns out, in the author’s opinion, this wasn’t too much, but the zrada was
    1. Sklendarka April 22 2020 10: 03 New
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      There was no such date on the calendar ...
      ,, ... I will lead you to the museum, my sister told me ... ''
      1. Avior April 22 2020 10: 24 New
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        even a sister can give an explanatory dictionary of the Russian language, and it will immediately become clear that there was no talk about the date
        like this, for example
        https://povto.ru/russkie/slovari/tolkovie/ushakova/tolkovii-slovar-ushakova-bukva-o_vse-slova.htm
        Mark, fuck, fuck, owls. (to note) someone. 1. Make a mark, mark on smth. as an indication. A seismograph may be about. shifts of the earth's crust. Note: ... on Thursday I am called to the burial. Grbdv. || Provide with decals. Did nature mark you as a stigma of disgrace? Gnchrv. O. trees notch on the trunk. 2. Pay attention to someone. (book). Immediately noted in a crowd of acquaintances. Inspecting the exhibition, he noted the wealth of exhibits. || Mention, indicate, touch in a speech or article of something. It should be noted the high activity of the meeting. Oh. in passing. 3. To record, register someone; make a note in some list. O. latecomers. O. present. O. needed in red pencil. 4. To exclude from the list of residents somewhere, having deleted from the house book at the exit (official). O. tenant
        ....
        NOTING, ay, ay. Nesov. to note.

        hi
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          Quote: Avior
          Chersky

          ,, ... burst my eyes ... ''
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      Something with your memory, Sergey. Does hatred cover my eyes?
  • Jurkovs April 22 2020 09: 23 New
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    Thus, Lenin and the Russian Communists

    Ha ha ha Lenin and the Russian Communists. Where did the author find the Russian Communists in 17? Lenin himself suffered from national duality all his life.
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    They picked up the headline colder for this article for Ilyich’s birthday, and the article was made to order. ....
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    In evaluating someone or something, it’s not so important — WHAT they say and write, and WHO says and writes. And who are the enemies of Lenin in the USSR? These are those who for their country and people have only a stupid, vicious AGAINST, nothing and nobody good for their country and people for all 100 years after the October Revolution, they did not appear.
    These are those who categorically do not want to discuss themselves, what they themselves have done, because they themselves acknowledge that what they did is their crimes against the country and people, before the rule of law. These are those who, all 30 years after their anti-Soviet counter-revolution, are only proud of the fact that they were raped by other people's labor, enriched by their country and people.
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      I agree with you completely.
      I just wanted to add in the light of Victory Day, why
      Communists and commissars in ,, do not take prisoner ''
      -Do not touch the ...
      ?????
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        why
        Communists and commissars in ,, do not take prisoner ''
        -Do not touch the ...
        ?????

        They went under the propaganda slogan: they say, we are not fighting against Vietnam, Russia, we are fighting against Bolshevism, join us! They will not print in the "Plan Ost" leaflets ...
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    Hmm, quite a while ago they didn’t print such a fun opus on VO, just a pearl on a pearl ... Comrade Samsonov pleased, sir ...
    I’ll preface the comment with a small quote, the content of which can be called the quintessence of the whole article: “Only the October Revolution saved Russia. Lenin and the Bolsheviks. The Russian Communists took power, which was just lying in the mud. They answered the main questions: peace - to the peoples, land - to the peasants, factories "To the workers, power to the Soviets, democracy, the right of nations to self-determination. The Russian Communists resolutely broke with the past world, did not try to resurrect the corpse."
    To begin with - about the "Russian Communists" ... In the picture in the title of the article on the podium, I see comrades Ulyanov, Dzhugashvili, Sverdlov (Gaukhman) and Dzerzhinsky ... Of these, only comrade Ulyanov (for the rest) can be called partially Russian (one quarter) three quarters - Kalmyk, Jew and German). The reasons for which the bright images of the comrades Bronstein, Rosenfeld and a huge number of other "Russian communists" are not conveyed in the picture are clear, after 25-37-40 they did not fit into the iconographic gallery of the proletcult (if we recall the ethnic composition in the years 1917-1924 of the Central Committee, the leadership of the people's commissariats and the Cheka ...)
    Now about power ... Everyone knows the phrase "... idealists conceive a revolution, carry out fanatics, and the bastards use the fruits ..." From the meaning of what the author said, it perfectly admits that in the February revolution, the ideal princes, aristocrats, deputies the then State Duma, the generals and the bourgeois, who then, together with the Socialist Revolutionaries and the Mensheviks, turned into fanatics who carried it out. Then from this paradigm the quite reasonable conclusion suggests itself that the Bolsheviks "taking advantage of the fruits" of this revolution in alliance with the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries are obtained by scoundrels, since the other two definitions are already taken ...
    Further, another remarkable pearl, they say, is that the leadership of the Bolsheviks in exile was actively hobbling, including through Parvus and Co. with the German General Staff it’s quite normal, since “everyone acted like that” at that time ... True, the author somehow forgot to mention the role of the Japanese General Staff in the events of 1905-1907, to the organization of which neither princes with counts nor generals with bourgeois had no relationship ... With this point of view, the author would not be surprised at the possible justification of the Vlasovites with policemen and other collaborators, because the "German General Staff" also worked with them, and the "American General Staff" works with the current different "columns" in Russia, even if the author and their revolutionaries It is, in fact, "nothing, it's the everyday" ...
    Well, about the world, land, factories, power and self-determination ...
    So:
    - "world-nations" - until 1924. the “Russian Communists” EMNIP signed only one peace treaty - Brest (I don’t remember exactly the year of the signing of the Rapallo Treaty, but it seems like after the death of the VIL), it’s not at all a masterpiece of diplomacy, and only “peaceful consequences” ...
    - "land to the peasants", it would be nice to recall "war communism", surplus-appraisal, ComBed-ah, Tambov, rassochachivanie and much more ..
    - “factory workers”, unfortunately, there are very few general statistics on the career and origin of the “red directors”, as for the announced social package and the 8-hour working day — otherwise it would have turned out for a revolution, “for which, they say, fought? !!! ", although in Civil and even after it they worked in most cases not at all for 8 hours, and often for all 12, you give two norms, or else the bourgeois will come back again and" exploit "...
    - “Power to the Soviets” - there’s nothing much to say here, if in 1918 and around the beginning of the 1920s there was still “smoke rocker” at all-Russian congresses, then most colleagues know about the subsequent “union of communists and non-partisans” from the experience of their lives in THE USSR...
    - Well, about the "right to self-determination" - here the result is obvious, in the 70s - 80s the embodiment of the "Leninist dream" gradually began, in 1991 it was successfully completed ...
    And, colleagues, the results of what happened in November 1917 made our life what it is, not because of the "evil machinations of the enemies" ... unfortunately, it is true that the most cruel slaveholders come from former slaves ...
  • Stalnov I.P. April 22 2020 10: 53 New
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    LENIN, like STALIN BOG and what he did for the USSR and Russia to the current high-ranking sitters, NEVER REPEAT. They can insult these GIANTS in every way, but to the question, how is it that in the 90s during the reign of the EBNT, 4 to 6 million Russian citizens died out, and this is a GENOCIDE against their people, not a single high-ranking sitler of this, not one of the liberals raised the righteous banner of protection for the common people, everyone is silent, silence is a sign of consent. Why is the country the richest in the world, according to various sources, from 30 to 40 %% of the world's natural resources, according to statistics of 20 million Russian citizens living below the poverty line, for 20 years the country has not been able to exceed the 1990 RSFSR GDP, the highest for the Soviet time. Not to mention all the other failures and mediocre decisions. That only says that professionalism, political will, strategic thinking and planning, honesty, discipline, responsibility are alien to high-ranking people. And the state of all domestic politics and the economy only emphasizes this. I'm not talking about the scientific works of these geniuses, philosophical, economic, political, which are read by all scientific and progressive humanity. So it turns out where they are and where others are. From this and all the helpless malice and hatred. You will leave HISTORY, and they will remain forever.
    1. indy424 April 22 2020 18: 11 New
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      You will leave HISTORY, and they will remain for centuries - Dadadad. I'm not talking about other countries, even in Russia, a good half of teenagers can hardly imagine what kind of grandfather they are. two more generations, and he will become a fairy tale, like Santa Claus.
  • ANB
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    . The prosperous, prosperous and educated part of Russian society wanted to live “like in the West”, to arrange a “sweet” Holland, England or France in Russia. Without a king, autocracy, feudal “remnants”, with rights and freedoms.

    I would add clarifications:
    Not all educated part participated in this.
    They wanted rights and freedoms only for themselves, loved ones

    Heaped in short.
  • Gato April 22 2020 11: 38 New
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    Judging by the comments, the Civil War in Russia will never end.
    1. NordUral April 22 2020 19: 05 New
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      Not everything is so bad, Sergey. Just bots came running. This name is distorted and scary for their owners, and they’re hiring every bastard to pour dirt here.
      1. Gato April 22 2020 19: 22 New
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        Maybe. I just don’t really understand the “bakers” - they seem to have won. What rolls were not enough for everyone?
        1. NordUral April 22 2020 19: 30 New
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          What rolls were not enough for everyone?

          But to the point, the rolls are ending. The earlier and more agile thieves have taken out a great deal of the country. But it doesn’t even come to these that a lot can be stolen only from a rich country. But they cannot make our (once our) country rich and therefore do not want to. It remains to finish what is left ... but what is next - they do not know, the West, as always, knows only its interests, and it will wrap these as sticky. Yes, and started already.
  • WayKheThuo April 22 2020 11: 46 New
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    The main merit of Lenin - he was able to formulate and implement in a single country a completely new way of managing, fundamentally different from the capitalist.
    Ideally, with this method you work well, with dedication, not because you are paid for it, but because your conscience and professional honor tells you so. At the same time, no one canceled the value of material incentives, simply money was not put at the forefront and was not a measure of a person’s success. I repeat once again, ideally.
    In practice, as usual, everything went a little differently, according to a different scenario and ended, quite frankly, with a very sad - real geopolitical catastrophe and the socio-technological rollback of my country to the beginning of the 20th century.
    Is Lenin's fault in this? I think no.
    Is Lenin the greatest thinker and practitioner? For me, obviously, “Yes.”
    Does Lenin deserve the fierce hatred of those in power? Thirty-three times “Yes,” because it represents the real possibility of creating a society in which a person is not a credit slave-consumer, but a free, professional, responsible citizen living in a state that he can always rely on, which will not abandon him, will not sell or betray in a difficult life situation. In this state, almost all the representatives of today's Russian “elite” are not just not needed, they are organically alien to him and, as a result, being generally stupid people, they try to do everything so that Lenin’s name is mentioned only in a negative context.
    Is it possible to continue the work of Lenin in our country? The question, as they say, is crucial and personally I don’t have enough knowledge to answer it clearly and clearly, but I am inclined to think that the main Leninist approach - the theory of class struggle, is not so effective today, because in modern post-industrial society the class structure somewhat blurred, which, however, does not cancel the search and use of other tools that allow people to change society for themselves. In this sense, the ultimate goal of the “Lenin’s case” will be one - building a society in which a person really “breathes freely”.
    I think so.
    1. L-39NG April 22 2020 12: 26 New
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      Guys, what's the matter. That this bastard sold Russia to the Germans? You don’t like it: but that doesn’t change anything on the fact that Ulyanov is a Lenin German agent. If you like living in Bolshevik fairy tales - for God's sake. but do not force other peoples to live in your Bolshevik tales. And sit at home, do not go to those. who knows where he lives.
      Question.
      Do you still live in the USSR? Vova we are. Communicate the Communist Party, Stalin's adherents to the camps
      1. NordUral April 22 2020 19: 03 New
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        And sit at home, do not go to those. who knows where he lives.
        That you do not meddle with us, my friend.
      2. Gato April 22 2020 20: 15 New
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        do not go into those. who knows where he lives.

        Where is it? Please do not offer a rhyme. Probably in a shining city on a hill?
      3. Gato April 22 2020 21: 01 New
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        Ulyanov - Lenin is a German agent.

        Following your logic, German intelligence officers are agents of the RSDLP, the Judas, who funded the socialist revolution in Russia with government money, therefore part of that government money went to organize the same revolution in Germany. Well, not bastards? !!
        1. Gato April 22 2020 21: 11 New
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          Conclusion: a group of conspirators from the German General Staff staged the collapse of the German Empire, simultaneously trampling the rolls in the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires. But most of all in this combination, the Poles won (though not for long). Question: whose agents have entrenched themselves in the German General Staff? wassat
    2. Dmitry V. April 22 2020 14: 40 New
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      Quote: WayKhe Thuo
      In practice, as usual, everything went a little differently, according to a different scenario and ended, frankly, very sadly


      Because the principle of remuneration was completely not interested in the final result.
      Equalization - you work well or badly, you get the same way - this completely ruined labor productivity.
      The distribution system of goods, of the same housing, an alcoholic with 4-5 children received an apartment out of turn, and hard workers with 2-3 children moved down in turn.
      In our case, in a flight detachment, some loader with many children got an apartment out of turn, and flight crews stood in lines for 30 years, the line came up, and the children grew up - they again moved in turn - the number of children in the family became smaller - justice!

      And the parallel supply system for city committees, district committees and other party structures — there was no shortage for them — communism had already come for them — why should they try to build it?
      They had all the supplies from the regional committee warehouse, where there was everything that an ordinary citizen might not see.

      At the age of 7, the tribe woman stood for 3 hours in the store for sausages - I really wanted to try, I never ate and they ended before him - how he sobbed ...
      I will never forget this beggarly life under the Communists!

      PS The tribe certainly didn’t die without sausages - it grew, earned on a Gazelle, is engaged in small shipments and it’s enough for sausages :)
      1. Sklendarka April 22 2020 16: 10 New
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        Do you sell sausages ?, but I thought that the recipe for this product is forgotten or lost ...
      2. NordUral April 22 2020 19: 02 New
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        Because the principle of remuneration was completely not interested in the final result.
        Equalization - you work well or badly, you get the same way - this completely ruined labor productivity.

        So this principle was introduced by the so-praised Khrushchev.
        And as for the drunkards of large families and their children - it was not the drunkards who gave power to the apartments, but the children. And many of these children have fully worked through honest work.
      3. Gato April 22 2020 20: 23 New
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        Because the principle of remuneration was completely not interested in the final result.
        Equalization - you work well or badly, you get the same way - this completely ruined labor productivity.

        Is everything ok now? Your tribe does not think about why his income is orders of magnitude less than any top manager from the "national treasure"? Or does he have more arms and legs and injects him 356 hours a day? Or his son, whose pocket money for one evening is more than 10 Gazelles cost, but in his life he did not work for a second?
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          Is it an order of magnitude? No matter how 2.
  • Roman123567 April 22 2020 12: 54 New
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    A prosperous, prosperous and educated part of Russian society desired live "like in the West", arrange in Russia a "nice" Holland, England or France. Without a king, autocracy, feudal "remnants", with rights and freedoms. Create a parliamentary republic. Make Russia part of European civilization


    So much to do with 91 years ..
    1. bober1982 April 22 2020 13: 09 New
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      Yes, everything is correct, we can agree with both A. Samsonov and you.
      I would add - not only the well-to-do and educated part of Russian society, but also the darkest, declassified (speaking in the Marxist language) wanted to live like the lords, as a result, they began to live like the rams that they were led to slaughter.
    2. L-39NG April 22 2020 13: 35 New
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      Sad girls, the civil war is not over yet
  • Aaleks1974 April 22 2020 13: 17 New
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    I’m wondering why Lenin is most hated by those to whom he gave most? Ukraine, the Baltic states, Transcaucasia and Central Asia everywhere he has an oppressor and a tyrant, and it was Ukraine, he gave the territories of Russia more than all the kings, gave independence to the finals and other Chukhons, gave statehood to nations that did not have it before, like Kazakhs, and still bad! I understand when, on this occasion, they don’t like Lenin in Russia, because he never loved Russians, it’s understandable, and the whole banquet was at the expense of the Great Russians, to put it in the old regime, but those oppressed nations so beloved by Lenin, why demolish him monuments?
  • L-39NG April 22 2020 13: 27 New
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    And is there something bad there? When I have to visit Moscow with pleasure and see the fences near the mansions. there is a desire, I’m a squirrel, and you keep saying that we stole your gold. Do not blame us, if you and workers pens
  • erased April 22 2020 13: 37 New
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    Happy birthday, grandfather Lenin!
  • Altona April 22 2020 13: 47 New
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    The longer we live in capitalism, the brighter and more relevant the legacy of Lenin and Stalin becomes. That's the thing.
    1. L-39NG April 22 2020 14: 13 New
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      You do not live in capitalism, they are trying to drive you there into feudalism and a bit into slavery
      1. Altona April 22 2020 14: 17 New
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        Quote: L-39NG
        You do not live in capitalism, they are trying to drive you there into feudalism and a bit into slavery

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        You in the Czech Republic then live in more comfortable slavery. No, we live in capitalism, because feuds have not yet been determined. Transnational corporations and banks are operating in full swing in the country.
        1. ANB
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          And PPF group including :)
    2. L-39NG April 22 2020 14: 16 New
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      If there is no mind, you can love Stalin-Hitler
  • Dmitry V. April 22 2020 14: 21 New
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    What is Lenin to "love" for?
    For the dictatorship of the proletariat? Or rather the dictatorship of the Communists?

    "The dictatorship of the proletariat" - a transitional period of unlimited power, according to Marx's theory, will be used to destroy the existing political system, as well as suppress populations supporting this system.

    In order to maintain power on January 11, 1919, the Soviet government issued a decree "On the spread between the producing provinces of grain bread and fodder, subject to alienation at the disposal of the state"
    “The farmers, who did not surrender the amount of bread and fodder due to them by the due date, are subject to gratuitous compulsory alienation of the stocks discovered from them.
    "Persistent of them and maliciously hiding their stocks, severe measures are applied, up to confiscation of property and imprisonment by the verdict of the people's court."


    The peasants considered themselves deceived. The money they received was constantly depreciated, and the state was not able to offer industrial goods in exchange for seized grain. Hence the uprising against the communists.
    Dissenting dictatorship suppressed.
    The surplus appraisal has worsened the relationship between peasants and the authorities. After the Civil War, the surplus appraisal was canceled by the decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on March 21, 1921, in view of the transition from military communism to the new economic policy (NEP), it was replaced by a clearly fixed food tax.

    Total?
    In words - to strengthen relations with the middle peasant, and in the end - peasants as slaves in the USSR until 1958!

    Only Khrushchev's reforms gave some freedom to the peasants on the collective farms and subsidiary plots.

    Under Khrushchev, a radical reform of the pension law took place; since July 1956, men after 60 years of age and women from 55 years of age began to receive a pension.
    In February 1958, a gradual certification of collective farmers began.
    In July-November 1964, a set of measures was adopted to pay pensions to peasants, what was the last initiative in the career of N.S. Khrushchev - 6 years later than workers - is about equality and fraternity.
    For the first time in the history of the Soviet countryside, old-age pensions began to be received by men aged 65, women - 60 years. Payments were made from a fund created with funds from collective farms and the state budget. But it should be noted that pensions of collective farmers were significantly lower than that of workers and employees.

    Without a doubt, Lenin was a great man, but his activity was ultimately directed against the peasantry.
  • Dwellernet April 22 2020 14: 25 New
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    First of all, "Holy Russia" was destroyed by the Romanovs. The biggest contribution to the destruction was made by the same Nicholas 2, who was then called the Bloody, and now he has been counted among the saints. With his incompetent rule, incompetence, stupidity, selfishness, pettiness and self-love, he did everything possible to destroy the Russian Empire. It was under his rule that increasingly less competent and intelligent officials and ministers were dismissed and dismissed, and their place was replaced by loyal to the tsar and greedy sloppies who were interested only in their pocket (an interesting analogy with today's time), and not in the interests of Russia. And as a result, the collapse of the country during the crisis of World War 1. He simply could not hold on to power when the time came for decisive action.
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      Especially Nikolashka gave a blunder to Makhov that he had displaced Pleve, his uncle Sergius and Stolypin. A lot, oh there were a lot of such "displaced".
  • Red Alert April 22 2020 14: 50 New
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    Quote: Sergey Nemov
    His comrade-in-arms Stalin will say the best about Lenin; let us give him the floor.

    "The greatness of Lenin, as the successor of Marx and Engels, in that
    consists that he was never a slave to letters in Marxism. In their
    he followed the instructions of Marx, who repeatedly said that
    Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action. Lenin knew this and, strictly
    distinguishing between the letter and the essence of Marxism, he never considered Marxism a dogma,
    but tried to apply Marxism, as the main method, in the new environment
    capitalist development. AT that is precisely the greatness of Lenin that he
    openly and honestly, without hesitation, raised the question of the need for a new
    formulas about the possibility of the victory of the proletarian revolution in individual countries are not
    fearing that the opportunists of all countries will cling to the old formula,
    trying to cover up his opportunist cause with the name of Marx and Engels. "

    ("On the Social Democratic Deviation in Our Party, vol. 8 p. 249.)
    I.V. Stalin.

    Comrade Stalin was the most faithful Leninist
  • Shadow April 22 2020 14: 51 New
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    With Lenin, everything is more or less clear. More questions to those who did not fall in February of that year, throwing the very mother of all virtues into the mud - fidelity.