Russia and China: peace, war, cooperation, expansion. Underline whatever applicable


Since the time of the armed conflict on about. One of the most controversial topics in discussing probable military dangers and military threats to our country is the Chinese military threat, its military-political and strategic nature.


A large part of specialists believe that this threat tends to increase, and its transformation into war is a matter of time. At the same time, the gigantic population of China and the unprecedented growth of the economy and military potential serve as the objective grounds for these allegations.

Here are a few numbers. In China, there are 1 (data from 430) million people with a density of 2018 people / sq. km The population of Russia, according to Rosstat as of January 144, 1, is 2020 146 745 million people, which is 098 times less, with a population density of about 9,8 people / sq. km - 8,56 times less than in China.

China ranks second in the world in terms of GDP. China's GDP, according to the BASETOP rating agency, in 2019 amounted to $ 14242.705 billion, and Russia's GDP - $ 1754.285 billion, which is 8 times less than Chinese GDP.

The strength of the People’s Liberation Army of China (PLA) is about 2 million military personnel, and the combat-ready mobilization resource is estimated by various estimates from 20 to 40 million people.

Victor and Lilia Larina, Institute staff stories, archeology and ethnography of the peoples of the Far East FEB RAS give the following research results regarding the attitude of Russian citizens to China. In the 90s. XX - early XXI century. residents of the region (Pacific - author) considered foreign migration one of the main threats to Russia's security in the Pacific. For example, in a 2010 survey, half (51%) of respondents called it “an increase in the number of migrants from neighboring states." In the list of threats, foreign migration was in second place after the perception of migrants from East Asia by residents of Pacific Russia. In the Primorsky Territory, this “threat” generally dominated (56% of respondents), in second place in Birobidzhan (54%), and in third place in Khabarovsk and Magadan (48 and 56%, respectively)

The ex-ambassador of Ukraine to China Kostenko, a well-known "friend" of Russia, claims: China will not seize Russian lands by force. It will be a creeping peaceful expansion.

Among the active apologists for imminent Chinese aggression is Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis. In his opinion, the aggression of the PRC against Russia is not just possible: it is inevitable, how else to evaluate his assessment of the probability of a war with China at 95% and even 99%! A well-known expert, K. Eggert, associates with them, assessing China as a lying totalitarian country, which carries an undoubted threat to Russia, which he is very concerned about. It pleases, because most recently K. Eggert could not be suspected of tender feelings towards the Russian Federation.

Another part of specialists in assessing the development of military-political relations (VPO) of Russia and China comes from the proximity of their positions in the field of ensuring international security and building a world order based on the harmonious consideration of the national interests of all subjects of world politics. As evidence of the dominance of the positive vector in Russian-Chinese relations, they most often refer to trade and economic relations between the two states.

The following indicators are known from the report on foreign trade between Russia and China in 2019: commodity circulation, export, import, structure, goods, dynamics prepared by the Russian Foreign Trade website based on data from the Federal Customs Service of Russia.

In 2019, trade between Russia and China amounted to over $ 110 billion, an increase of 2,43% ($ 2 billion) compared to 6. The trade balance between Russia and China in 2018 was positive in the amount of over $ 2019 billion. Compared with 2, the positive balance decreased by 6% ($ 2018 billion).

The constructive political statements of the leaders of both countries about the mutual desire to strengthen interstate cooperation are well known. The results of the implementation of these statements indicate a significant development of cooperation between the PRC and the Russian Federation in many areas of interstate interaction, including economic, military, technological and military-technical ones.

The discord is understandable in opinions. Each of the researchers has its own system of indicators and criteria, a peculiar logic of their justification and builds its own model of the formation of interstate relations. Therefore, it is difficult to imagine the achievement of unity of opinion. Under these conditions, such a significant difference in assessments convinces us that we have not yet developed a methodological unity in analyzing the international situation and assessing military dangers and threats.

As an attempt to establish a common approach to assessing the tension in the military-political situation and the level of military threats, the author proposed and published methodological approaches to assessing military security. In the most general terms, the proposed logic is as follows. The tension of malware is determined by the policy of the opposing subject, reflecting the conflict of its interests with the interests of the Russian Federation. The tension of malware is assessed by the ratio of the combined potentials of the parties, the conflict of national interests and the intentions of the military-political leadership regarding Russia. At certain stages of exacerbation of malware, due to increased aggressiveness of the opposing subject, the conflict potential of malware is formed, which is determined by the combination of conflicting potentials of national interests, intentions and the ratio of military potentials of the Russian Federation with a geopolitical rival. The potential of a military threat is determined as a result of the interaction of the conflicting potential of malware and the Russian strategic deterrence potential, the magnitude of which depends on the effectiveness of the military and non-military strategic deterrence measures taken. Here, a military threat is understood as the residual, not compensated by strategic deterrence, value of the conflict potential of malware.

Depending on the size of the conflict potential, the following types of interstate relations are possible.

Allied with conflict potential - 2.

Partnership with conflict potential - 1.

Neutrality with conflict potential - 0.

Competition with conflict potential - 1.

Hostile to conflict potential - 2.

In allied and partner relations, conflict takes on conditionally negative values, reducing the conflicting potential of malware (in fact, in this case a positive potential is formed that is subtracted from the conflict potential of malware). And, on the contrary, with competitive and hostile relations, the conflict potential in interstate relations grows: the more aggressive the relations are, the higher their conflict.

Using this methodology, calculations were made and graphs were constructed that can be used to analyze what level of threat can come from an abstract state interacting with Russia under the conditions: Russia has the potential for strategic deterrence, the analyzed state surpasses our country in terms of aggregate potential (it includes self economic, political and military potentials) more than 3 times.

Any of the states that surpass Russia in aggregate potential by 3 or more times can play the role of an “abstract state”. For example, the United States or China.

The calculations revealed the dependence of the probability of the formation and implementation of a military threat on the strategic deterrence potential, which reflects Russia's ability to prevent military conflicts by applying a range of measures - non-military (political, diplomatic, economic, sociocultural) and military, based on nuclear and non-nuclear deterrence in the scale adopted in the methodology from 0 to 3. To calculate the characteristics of the variant of hostile relations, it is accepted that an antagonistic contradiction has developed between the Russian Federation and the analyzed state and the military-political leadership of this state has aggressive intentions towards Russia. The antagonism of contradictions between states for other options is reduced to the extent that there are none.

Calculations showed that under any conditions of the military-industrial complex, the military security of the Russian Federation is guaranteed by strategic deterrence. Nevertheless, there is a significant quantitative difference in the conflict of interstate relations, built as negative (hostile, competitive) and positive (partnership, alliance)

Under the conditions adopted, it remains to be seen which option the relations between Russia and China are approaching. For this, it is necessary to evaluate the size and nature of the following groups of factors related to each other. The first is the presence and nature of the contradictions that exist in relations between countries. The second is the aggressiveness of the PRC leadership towards the Russian Federation. The third is the nature of interstate relations.

Fundamental in the analysis of interstate relations is the question of the presence of contradictions in various fields. Among their main varieties are territorial, trade, economic, political, civilizational. The degree of antagonism of disagreements in each case can be different and the determination of the military-political leadership to use force to resolve the existing contradiction and satisfy their national interests depends on its level.

Let us turn to Russian-Chinese relations. As you know, the territorial differences between the states have been settled, and the border has been demarcated. There is no territorial issue on the agenda of interstate relations and there are no territorial claims between the countries, which was recorded in 1989 by the Treaty signed by Gorbachev and Deng Xiaoping. At the same time, along with such unconditionally important political decisions, it is necessary to take into account geopolitical aspects. For example, in China, Russia is seen as a regional power, representing the “rear” of Chinese geopolitics. At the same time, Russia is considered the country that caused China the most significant damage in the three-century geopolitical confrontation., Which ended only on October 14, 2008, when the ceremony of installing the last pillar on the Russian-Chinese border was held. So, no more, no less, some Chinese geopolitical colleagues value our relations.

As often happens, in ideas about the relations of neighboring countries, there are a considerable number of myths. The main one is "creeping Chinese expansion in the Far East." Some experts, based on the facts of overpopulation of the northern provinces of China, especially in comparison with the low population density in the Russian regions of Siberia and the Far East, speak of demographic expansion. At the same time, some Western analysts cite menacing figures. So, Dr. E. Gilbo, Ph.D. in Economics at the Diplomatic Academy of Peace at UNESCO, estimated the number of Chinese in Russia at 8 million.

In the Far East, the largest number of Chinese migrants is really concentrated. The second center of concentration is Moscow. However, the scale of migration from China is not comparable with migration from the CIS countries. According to statistics from Rosstat, in 2014 the number of Chinese arrived in Russia was almost 13 times less than that of Uzbeks and 12 - than Ukrainians. Until 2014, the number of Chinese migrating to Russia grew annually with a simultaneous increase in the number of people leaving: if in 2012 their ratio was 2 to 1, then in 2014 it was 5 to 4. Here it should be noted that the main part of Chinese citizens entering Russia is 2016 was tourism combined with "shopping" and the duration of their stay in our country did not exceed 15 days. According to the All-Russian Census in 2010, 28943 people included themselves among the Chinese, while in 2002 they were 34577 people.

According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, for the first half of 2019, one in ten foreigners who came to Russia is a Chinese citizen. During this period, 863 thousand Chinese were registered with migration. On the one hand, this is 30% more than in the first half of 2018 (664,8 thousand). But on the other hand, the lion's share of the arrivals were tourists (72%), who arrived for a period of up to 30 days. Of the 204,2 thousand Chinese who arrived with different intentions, 71,3 thousand indicated work as the purpose of their arrival, 36 thousand indicated their studies, 11,7 thousand indicated a “private” goal, and 85,2 thousand indicated “other ". Compared to the same period last year, the number of those who came to work increased by 13,1%, educational migrants - by 18,4%.

Although these figures seem significant, the vast majority of visitors from China quickly leave Russia. That is, they do not fall under the definition of “migrants”.

So, in the first half of the year, 863 thousand Chinese citizens were registered, and 805 thousand were deregistered. Considering that some of those who arrived with short-term visits at the end of the first half of the year were deregistered, they did not fall into the last report of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the second half. And this means that the number of short-term guests is even greater. This is confirmed by the Federal State Statistics Service, which isolates those who arrived for less than 9 months from the statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. According to the agency, in the first half of the year, the migration increase (the number of arrivals from China for 9 months or more minus the number of departures) amounted to only 3,5 thousand people.

Therefore, talking about Chinese demographic expansion is still not necessary.

A considerable number of myths about the cross-border expansion of China in the Far East originated from the infamous period of the 90s of the last century. It should be noted that this was the “peak” period of shuttle trade, the development of cross-border trade and economic relations, which for various reasons, including due to the slowness and corruption of the authorities, were not developed, and the depreciation of the ruble in 2014 completed the end of cross-border purchases of Chinese consumer goods . In the same period, rapidly developing Chinese border super cities were frozen in development, and Russian border settlements during that period did not receive any noticeable development.

The already mentioned Victor and Lilia Larins in their studies note the positive dynamics in assessing the current attitude of the population of the Far Eastern region of Russia to the PRC. The danger from the growth of foreign migration is believed by half the number of inhabitants of the region: 24% along the Pacific coast (2017 survey) and 25% along the Russian-Chinese border (2019 survey). Even less is the proportion of the population (17 and 21%, respectively), which considers the growth of China's economic and military power a threat. US policy and “insufficient consideration of the interests of the Far East by federal authorities” seem to the inhabitants of the region a much more serious problem than China and its politics.

The geopolitical ideas of China have always emphasized the need for peaceful coexistence with neighboring states. In China, it is believed that if the bordering countries do not “bother” China (“bu saorao”), then they can be considered as not representing a direct threat to China. Perhaps this is due to the fact that for thousands of years China was the only great power in this region and was deeply influenced by the “ideas of humanism” and the “middle ground” of Confucius.

China's interests have long been directed southward. It is interesting that the compass invented in China was equipped with an arrow pointing not to the north, as we are used to, but to the south. Summarizing the aforesaid, one can quite confidently believe that there are no territorial claims, let alone contradictions between Russia and China.

Historically committed to peaceful cooperation with neighboring states while protecting its national interests, China, like Russia, clearly understands the need to develop partnership and friendly relations. They meet the fundamental interests of both parties and bring more and more benefits to the two countries and their peoples.

The possibilities of China allow developing trade and economic cooperation on a much larger scale, however, the low capacity of the Russian economy and the understandable desire of the Russian side to provide more favorable conditions for interstate cooperation impose their limitations. The pragmatism of the Chinese negotiators is well-known and justifiable. Therefore, one cannot help but see the danger of developing unequal trade and economic relations between Russia and China. While maintaining in Russia the current level of economic development and the principles of its management, the existing technological level of development of the national economy, in the medium term there is a risk of turning our country into a raw material appendage of the PRC. This threatens the emergence of a new hegemon in the role of which China will act. However, it is more likely that the weakening of Russia will lead to a significant reduction in the power of the anti-Western center of power, led by the PRC and the Russian Federation, and the formation of a unipolar world led by the United States.

Nevertheless, at present and in the near future it can be considered that trade and economic relations between the PRC and the Russian Federation are built on conditions of mutual benefit with a development vector focused on strategic partnership.

The absence of contradictions in the field of relations on territorial issues, together with the development of trade and economic relations, suggests building partnerships between countries, which in all principal cases are expressed in the unity of assessments of the international situation. The aggressive intentions of the military-political leadership of the PRC towards the Russian Federation have not only no evidence, but also grounds.

With these values ​​of these factors, the probability of the formation and implementation of the Chinese military threat is close to zero.

Let us return to the aforementioned geopolitical motive for the rapprochement of the interests of Russia and China and answer the question whether the risk of their very existence as full-fledged independent states is real and how great is it now and in the future?

In recent years, the USA and NATO countries have given rise to doubt their leading role in world politics. The established tendency to increase awareness of national sovereignty in many developing countries of the world retains its viability and development prospects as long as the combined power of the BRICS and SCO grows, supported by the growing capabilities of China, the military-political and diplomatic potential of the Russian Federation. Under these conditions, the primary task of the United States and the coalition led by them is the destruction of the BRICS and the SCO as a result of either attracting the most powerful players, such as China, India, or destroying the dangerous geopolitical tandem of the PRC - Russia in various ways.
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  1. New Year day April 22 2020 15: 06 New
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    Russia and China: peace, war, cooperation, expansion. Underline whatever applicable

    temporary companions
    1. Svarog April 22 2020 15: 14 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      Russia and China: peace, war, cooperation, expansion. Underline whatever applicable

      temporary companions

      I believe that if nothing is done demographically, then by quiet glanders, after 50 years, the Chinese will populate both the Far East and Siberia. The richer China will be, the more difficult it will be for us to negotiate with it, even now they are practically non-negotiable. So, it would be nice if China slowed down in economic terms.
      And with us, with the current course, there is definitely no chance of increasing the population and improving the quality of life.
      The prospect looks bleak.
      1. AllBiBek April 22 2020 15: 25 New
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        Well, give at least one example, when China somewhere and once in its entire history chopped off new territories through “peaceful occupation”.

        These are the Chinese, there were more of them in the USA in the 19th century than now in the Russian Federation, at times. This despite the fact that the entire population of the USA was then less than the current population of the Russian Federation. And - where are the sovereign Chinese territories in the USA? They even could not assimilate Korea during the time of Joseon, although they tried. And even with Vietnam it has not grown together, all that they can still do now is import a Vietnamese into China a year to China, due to the demographic superiority.

        Mixed Russian-Chinese families, where the husband is Chinese and the wife is Russian, this is rare. There are more reverse examples, but these children do not grow up in the midst of Chinese culture.

        If only because the Chinese peers will not accept, never. In the Chinese program, it is prescribed in the mental program to create Chinatowns in foreign territories, and once again do not lean outside their borders, only to work, and only in large groups.

        So they are arranged.
        1. New Year day April 22 2020 15: 54 New
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          Quote: AllBiBek
          when China somewhere and once in its entire history chopped off new territories through "peaceful occupation".

          Is Damansky and other territories a peaceful occupation or not peaceful?
          1. AllBiBek April 22 2020 16: 07 New
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            This is an exchange of disputed territories for grub, if you do not know the history of its return in 1991.

            Remember how abruptly and everywhere the Chinese stew "Great Wall" appeared? But remember her taste.

            And here it is - payment for Damansky.
            1. New Year day April 22 2020 16: 14 New
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              Quote: AllBiBek
              This is an exchange of disputed territories for grub, if you do not know the history of its return in 1991.

              those. in the event of another famine, should one expect the return of new territories?
              1. AllBiBek April 22 2020 17: 00 New
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                It depends on who is in power at that moment.
                If libshiza - then easily.
        2. Doccor18 April 22 2020 20: 52 New
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          Quote: AllBiBek
          Well, give at least one example, when China somewhere and once in its entire history chopped off new territories through “peaceful occupation”.

          These are the Chinese, there were more of them in the USA in the 19th century than now in the Russian Federation, at times. This despite the fact that the entire population of the USA was then less than the current population of the Russian Federation. And - where are the sovereign Chinese territories in the USA? They even could not assimilate Korea during the time of Joseon, although they tried. And even with Vietnam it has not grown together, all that they can still do now is import a Vietnamese into China a year to China, due to the demographic superiority.

          Mixed Russian-Chinese families, where the husband is Chinese and the wife is Russian, this is rare. There are more reverse examples, but these children do not grow up in the midst of Chinese culture.

          If only because the Chinese peers will not accept, never. In the Chinese program, it is prescribed in the mental program to create Chinatowns in foreign territories, and once again do not lean outside their borders, only to work, and only in large groups.

          So they are arranged.

          In principle, I agree with you.
          However, families where the husband is Chinese,
          and the wife is not so Russian
          and few, especially in rural
          terrain. And here is the family where
          she is a Chinese woman, and he is a Russian
          not seen once in years
          services in the Far East.
          And about the migration themselves
          the Chinese said here
          easier to make money than in
          China. I will earn a lot and
          I’ll be back, rich ... To stay in Russia forever, such a desire was not observed among them.
          1. AllBiBek April 23 2020 01: 09 New
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            Yes, I also came across this.
            "Merchant Family", a classic of the genre.
            One wife - where things are being done, the second - at home.
            Oddly enough, it was the norm in Siberia among merchants at the beginning of the 19th century, and even at the beginning of the 20th. Only both are Russians, the Russian merchant, and both are aware that he has another wife there.

            And where to go if you can afford?

            I did not come across serious work on this issue, but it seems that the Chinese came up with the time when the Silk Road was land.

            I suspect that in the format of convergent evolution - it was in the Mediterranean, among the Phoenicians.

            And so, from analogues of other cultures and times - well, a classic of the genre, PPS during the WWII.

            And now, even a slightly raised Central Asian guest worker can afford such a thing. And they allow it not so rarely.

            “To what this pancreas pancreas brought the planet,” yes.

            Oh, tempera, oh, mores ...
      2. Uncle lee April 22 2020 15: 32 New
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        turning our country into a raw materials appendage of the PRC.
        That’s scary! And expansion is not necessary - our nouveau riche themselves are ready to sell everything for a small bribe. From the water of Baikal, to the taiga, oil and gas.
        1. Cyrus April 24 2020 16: 38 New
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          Present your evidence and not stupid rumors, namely evidence.
      3. codetalker April 22 2020 15: 33 New
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        For 5 years they didn’t populate and for 000 years they populate?) Well, how much can you retype these nonsense?
        1. Svarog April 22 2020 15: 42 New
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          Quote: codetalker
          For 5 years they didn’t populate and for 000 years they populate?) Well, how much can you retype these nonsense?

          And how many were in the number of 5000 years ago? They didn’t have time to settle then, they didn’t have a question of territories at all, they were at enmity between them .. China really became strong 10 years ago, but even managed to fight the USSR, being much weaker .. This is not about military expansion, our managers they will sell everything themselves ..
          1. AllBiBek April 22 2020 16: 11 New
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            I will tell you so; already somewhere in the late Achele, when all of humanity was not even half a million individuals including children, two hundred thousand of this humanity already lived in China.

            At the end of the Pleistocene - a third.

            By the beginning of the written history of mankind - a quarter. For rice cultivation in the flood fields is a little more complicated and dreary than waiting for the Nile to spill, throwing wheat seeds there, driving oxen from above to trample into the ground, and then thinking all year, what else to do while it ripens and gives grub several times more than necessary for a year.
          2. carstorm 11 April 22 2020 16: 21 New
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            and your Tipo will not sell anything? trade she know trade at any will remain.
          3. codetalker April 22 2020 16: 28 New
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            The Chinese are one of the most numerous peoples for centuries. In Russia, too, they constantly fought between each other, but Siberia and the Far East mastered. About the population of China. It is unfortunate that most observers and commentators, when analyzing this topic, pay attention only to quantity. What about "quality"? It’s enough to dig a little bit to understand that China’s “civilization” covers 300 million people along the coast, the remaining billion live at the biomass level - working in hazardous production for a cup of rice and die in 40 years.
            But indeed, China has expansionist intentions (in fact, they are even mentioned in the constitution), but there are big problems with their implementation. Such that you constantly have to turn to other countries for help, including to Russia.
            1. Svarog April 22 2020 16: 34 New
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              But indeed, China has expansionist intentions (in fact, they are even mentioned in the constitution), but there are big problems with their implementation. Such that you constantly have to turn to other countries for help, including to Russia.

              You should already be consistent, otherwise first it is:
              Well, how much can you retype these nonsense?

              And then this:
              But really, China has expansionist intentions (in fact, they are even mentioned in the constitution)

              With the implementation, when the time comes, there will be no problems ..
              1. codetalker April 22 2020 16: 41 New
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                Everything is consistent here.
              2. Cyrus April 24 2020 16: 39 New
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                Even as they will.
            2. Kronos April 22 2020 17: 49 New
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              Mossy Chinese Welfare Myths Growing Every Year
              1. codetalker April 22 2020 18: 02 New
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                It grows, those same 300 million, the rest - no. This is the reason for internal migration.
                1. Ingvar 72 April 23 2020 13: 39 New
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                  Quote: codetalker
                  It grows, those same 300 million, the rest - no.

                  Do you know the meaning of the term Median wealth? In China, this figure is higher than ours. wink
                  So it’s not worth talking about Chinese poverty, when the ports themselves have worn out.
      4. carstorm 11 April 22 2020 16: 19 New
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        you read carefully or something ... the number of those who left and arrived there is given. Well, now we have no Chinese! no. units compared to residents of the CIS. even in the Far East. it is easier for me to meet an Uzbek than a Chinese in Khabarovsk. zadalbal these horror stories already. as for demography, even if it changes, that in principle it’s unrealistic we won’t do anything. that in China, residents move to the cities south, that we will still move west. well, you don’t make people even live in large carrots where in summer at 40 degrees + with a humidity of 100 percent. where in June it’s impossible to breathe from midges and mosquitoes are dark. and there’s still winter.
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      6. Far East April 23 2020 12: 14 New
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        (after 50 years, the Chinese will populate both the Far East and Siberia.) Hare! You are a resident of the Far East! do not write. hi
    2. Ross xnumx April 22 2020 15: 49 New
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      temporary companions

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      Neighbors on the planet, no more. There is absolutely no hope that we (Russia) will be able to find friends in our capitalist form ...
      1. AllBiBek April 22 2020 17: 02 New
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        Another two Russian monarch in the century before last spoke about what two real allies Russia has in all centuries, and what their names are - the army and navy.

        By the way, there were German roots.
      2. CSKA April 23 2020 11: 15 New
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        Neighbors on the planet, no more. There is absolutely no hope that we (Russia) will be able to find friends in our capitalist form ...

        But in the socialist, will we be full of them? Just nonsense.
    3. To be or not to be April 22 2020 18: 14 New
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      China: peace, war, cooperation, expansion. Underline whatever applicable
      Option "Kosovo"
      1. 16329 April 25 2020 18: 33 New
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        It's simple, In the future, we will either protect China from the United States (or its parts) and its allies, or we will be in direct confrontation with China as cannon fodder of the West.
        How the geopolitics curve will deduce
    4. Nyrobsky April 22 2020 21: 03 New
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      Russia and China: peace, war, cooperation, expansion. Underline whatever applicable

      temporary companions

      Well, fellow travelers are also different. Ukrainians stomped nearby for three hundred years, and as they promised them 33 euros of silver, they gnawed a feeding hand to the bones and drowned in an enemy camp. Those fellow travelers turned out to be.
    5. APASUS April 22 2020 21: 45 New
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      Russia and China: peace, war, cooperation, expansion. Underline whatever applicable

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      So now the world is settled. We tried to build partnerships with the USA, in response they freaked us! Now you are a temporary companion or just a slave, no other is given. Who do the Americans consider to be a partner, are there any?
    6. the most important April 23 2020 17: 02 New
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      temporary companions

      Temporary and FORCED companions. The probability of conflict is huge!
  2. knn54 April 22 2020 15: 08 New
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    Peaceful conquerors.
  3. Pvi1206 April 22 2020 15: 11 New
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    what was, is ... and what is, it will be ... there are no eternal partners ... the main thing is to get in time ...
  4. evgen1221 April 22 2020 15: 19 New
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    At the moment, we provide the land security of China with giving them time and resources for the construction of the fleet. With a major uprising in the Russian Federation, the Chinese, like the Japanese, will not accept chopping off a bit of our territories, which in the light of the vigilant care of our woodpeckers will be even better for our population. And here it is not necessary about the bloodthirsty of Asians to us, not the 13th century, and even the exploitation by the native authorities somehow sits in the liver.
  5. parusnik April 22 2020 15: 20 New
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    China has its own interests ... friendship is friendship, but the tobacco is apart ...
  6. g1v2 April 22 2020 15: 32 New
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    There have always been a lot of Chinese, but to the north they did not try too hard to develop expansion. On the contrary, they were constantly attacked from the north - they already had to build a whole wall. As for demography, then for the Chinese they usually take all Asians - Koreans and Vietnamese in the first place. Just the Chinese live in Russia a little. But tourists from China in recent years - a rampart. Especially here in St. Petersburg.
    The Chinese population does not migrate to free places, but quite the opposite - to coastal hive cities. There work, amenities, living standards, salaries, climate. The map of China's population density is clear. And you can see where the population flocks.

    Well, about the military threat, too, everything is clear. In recent years, the Chinese have been moving part of the IBR closer to our border under our umbrella, where they are vulnerable to us if something happens. The army is shrinking, and the number of marines is growing. The main forces are invested in the creation of the fleet. The direction of military expansion and where the Chinese are waiting for the attack is clearly visible. Again the question of Taiwan and the disputed islands.
    Well, and most importantly, the PRC is now economy number 1. The United States is like a Faberge sickle. And that means the West will bring down the Chinese. Trade wars and the persecution of the Huawei - the beginning. Then they will be pitted with neighbors and declared a new evil empire. No wonder now they insist on the version so that the Chinese created the coronovirus. This is the beginning of the process of demonizing them. Then we all know what happens. The People's Republic of China quarrel with us right now is definitely not with one’s hand.
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      exactly. we are for them a land buffer. all their opponents are on the seas and oceans. our neighborhood is not even now, but rather a symbiosis. which is very good for both sides.
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    1. How embarrassing you are to call the great people so insulting! I have been many years old and I remember well the attitude towards the Chinese in our country. I used to be teased by a “Chinaman!”, “Chinayosa” believing that it would be more painful to prick a non-Russian person. I remember how disdainful China was during the "cultural revolution." And so, time has passed, and is no longer pulling to laugh at China? Now, people like Old Horseradish are afraid of Chinese expansion. To my deep regret, we have a rarity of everyday racism. I hope that its manifestations are waning and it will be possible to cure them even in a marginal environment.
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        Dear Sambu Rabdanovich, I didn’t see “domestic racism” in a post of your colleague criticized by you (quote), just didn’t see it (racist insults for representatives of, for example, the Mongoloid race are something like “narrow-eyed”, “yellow-bellied”, etc. .p., i.e. based on racial traits, and not on national civilizational ones, as in this case). You, as a military researcher who is guided (judging by the topic of the article) both in general sinology, and in particular in Chinese military and geopolitical issues, probably read the works of your outstanding countryman and, in many ways, your colleagues Gombozhap Tsybikov about China and Tibet. If so, then they could not help but pay attention to his arguments about the civilizational and behavioral characteristics of the Chinese. And your article explicitly states that there are conflicting tensions in many areas, but at the moment China has other problems and priorities, in the resolution of which Russia plays, from the current Chinese point of view, a positive role due to which there is a tension vector between our countries will decrease and decrease ... But the key, all the same, is the phrase "... at the moment ..". The current economic situation will change, the Chinese economy will revive, population growth will continue, the demand for various resources will only increase, and due to the finiteness of many of them, the efforts made for the steady flow of such resources will also increase ... So far, China has partially mastered Southeast Asia , began to seriously invest in Africa, in South America, but the closest territorially and one of the richest in nomenclature and volumes are still resources in Russia. And now I can’t get rid of the idea that Russia for China is still not an ally, but a kind of “pantry of stocks for a rainy day,” which, alas, may well come ... That's why personally, it would be optimal for me not to 1 , and 3, and even better 4 Chinas
        1. Dear AAK! Do you like it when they call a person of Chinese nationality "CHINA"? This is not offensive, in your opinion? The fact that we, including myself, do not perceive some of the features of Chinese culture does not give us the right to show at least some neglect to this people. In my response to Old Horseradish, in my opinion, I clearly expressed the reasons for my negative attitude to his comment.
          1. 16329 April 25 2020 18: 45 New
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            Unfortunately, in Russia, Eurasianism is not very popular, many still climb to fraternize with the Germans, Western Slavs, etc.
            But it was Asian peoples who were always the backbone of Russia in the wars of modern times and fought alongside the Russians against Napoleon and Hitler.
            China practically fought for us with Western (UN) forces in the Korean War, which helped to ward off the threat of a nuclear attack on the USSR in the early 50's
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          AAK (AAK) And now I can’t get rid of the idea that Russia for China is still not an ally, but a kind of “storehouse of reserves for a rainy day”

          I think this thought of the majority of Russians, and I in any case agree with it, but do not agree with your other thought:
          the optimal presence is not 1, but 3, and even better 4 Chinas

          We already went through this before the Second World War, and now these Chinas are formally two: one (China) is our forced partner, the other (Taiwan) is “empiricalist” pro-American, in the twentieth years, as you wanted four Chinas: the communist but hostile USSR (China) and the three “empirialist" pro-American - Taiwan, Kon-Gong (British), Macau (Port.) ...
          So that at the moment we are profitable only in China, even in the worst years of relations between the USSR and China, the former always advocated the territorial integrity of the latter ....
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      God ... who told you such nonsense? if there was Ancient Rome, then now, according to your logic, the Italians consider that territory their own? The Chinese did not say anything and do not say anything. and don’t post cards from the Internet that are 500+ plus years old. no need to waste time on these nonsense
  8. Kolin April 22 2020 15: 43 New
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    Kostenko

    Alexander Khramchikhin

    Oh, these X-Perts once missed the procedure with a bucket enema of haloperidol.
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    It would be strange if China were not primarily interested in its own interests.
  10. iouris April 22 2020 16: 31 New
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    The population density of the Russian Federation should be considered only in Moscow.
    They lost the world, they did not win the war. One thing remains - to cooperate.
  11. depressant April 22 2020 16: 32 New
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    I emphasize expansion through cooperation.
    1. It is a likely scenario. I mentioned it a little in the text. If it’s interesting, I have some results about the outcome of cooperation between the strong and the weak. But there are some nuances here. Extensive topic
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    such friends need to be trusted but verified.
  13. rocket757 April 22 2020 16: 46 New
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    Russia has famous friends and support! When we don’t forget about it, we can talk about something else.
  14. veritas April 22 2020 16: 52 New
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    The Chinese are neither fish nor meat to us. Not a friend is not an enemy, but like that.
  15. bandabas April 22 2020 17: 03 New
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    The Chinese have a different philosophy. It is not in vain that for all the conquests, dismemberments, and so on, China continues to exist for more than 2 thousand years.
    1. Lara Croft April 25 2020 23: 16 New
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      Not in vain for all the conquests, dismemberment, and so on, China continues to exist for more than 2 thousand years.

      Do not forget that in the existence of modern China, the Chinese owe only one thing - the USSR.... and the Chinese know and remember ....
  16. Usher April 22 2020 17: 38 New
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    Quote: Svarog
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    Russia and China: peace, war, cooperation, expansion. Underline whatever applicable

    temporary companions

    I believe that if nothing is done demographically, then by quiet glanders, after 50 years, the Chinese will populate both the Far East and Siberia. The richer China will be, the more difficult it will be for us to negotiate with it, even now they are practically non-negotiable. So, it would be nice if China slowed down in economic terms.
    And with us, with the current course, there is definitely no chance of increasing the population and improving the quality of life.
    The prospect looks bleak.

    Where do you live dear? I live in East Siberia and travel very often around Russia. And I don’t see crowds of Chinese, except for tourists and business people (businessmen / engineers). I worked in Huawei. And I asked the Chinese how you are in Russia and whether you want to live here, it was in Moscow. They categorically did not want to stay here. They constantly showed me photos and videos from Shenzhen. Like, look how cool, family videos and video conferencing, sometimes they called for homework to be watched in Russian, although I myself drill))) They wanted to sneeze in Siberia and the Far East. Only make money. But you can’t make them live here. In the Buryatia in the 90s there were still many of them, watermelons were planted (in Siberia, and they grew), cabbage and carrots, we stole from them in childhood, especially watermelons. But since the 2000s they have all left, now wasteland. There are no mythical Chinese. There are rarely wild brigades at construction sites, and then I saw them in Krasnoyarsk (maybe the North Koreans were at work). Only the Mongols come to shop tours are loaded with clothes and especially products. Compared to the Mongolian shops and products, ours, no matter how ridiculous, sounded much better and better. For example, Mongolian and Chinese vodka, so crappy that there are simply no words.
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      1. Usher April 26 2020 07: 58 New
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        'Where do you live dear? I live in Eastern Siberia ... "
        I also live in Eastern Siberia. But, judging by your comments, these Siberia are very different ... Well, maybe, outwardly after COVID they got a little closer, the Chinese diminished ...

        And where do you live, that you have a lot of Chinese? I am in the Ivolginsky district of the Republic of Buryatia. I live my whole life! I work as a high-rise installer, traveled all over Russia. Where are you? What do you have to reduce the Chinese? AND?
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          "And where do you live, that you have a lot of Chinese?"
          You didn’t read? I wrote: in Eastern Siberia. It’s right in its capital. Who doesn’t know is Irkutsk.
          In your area was just passing ...
          I did not write "Reduce the Chinese."
          He wrote "diminished." Almost everyone left for their New Year to their homeland. But, due to the epidemic, they did not return.
          And there were plenty of them. Mercenaries at construction sites, owners of sawmills, car services, cafes and restaurants (sometimes under the guise of Buryat), hotels. Often with staff from their compatriots. And, by the way, sometimes oriented to their own tourists. Of some cafes you they can just ask. Well, trade (clothing) markets. Have you heard about attempts to build a plant in Kultuk? About sites in Listvyanka and Olkhon? Or will you notice them only when you are crowded out on power transmission towers?
  17. il-z April 22 2020 18: 18 New
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    While the Chinese are fellow travelers, but I think, if possible, they will try to seize our territory (as well as the Japanese, Koreans, and many republics bordering on us). Naturally, they will decide on this only in the case when they consider that it will get away with them.
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    We live in a time when the speed of events allows us to see many historical changes with our own eyes, wait and see ....
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    Again, China begins to scare Russia .. A new training manual came to see from the State Department.?
    I have not seen a single Chinese in my life .. bully
    While Russia has the main allies of the Army and Navy, no one is afraid of us ..
    The Chinese are weak so far against the Russians, even if they are fighting with the United States, they owe them a lot of money.
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      Quote: Magistr
      Again, China begins to scare Russia .. A new training manual came to see from the State Department.?
      Recently, Henry Kissinger said that "the United States will strive to ensure that relations between Washington and Beijing, Washington and Moscow are better than relations between Moscow and Beijing," it makes sense that mattresses through their controlled structures will begin information work to develop a negative attitude of Russians to Chinese and vice versa, Chinese to Russians. The principle of divide and conquer works at all times. Only here, in both Beijing and Moscow, Kissinger’s other phrase, “It’s dangerous to fight against the USA and mortally dangerous to be friends with the USA,” is also well remembered (not verbatim but somehow). After the mattresses openly and publicly designated the PRC and the Russian Federation as their geopolitical enemies No. 1 and No. 2, our countries had a clear understanding that entering into a situational alliance with the United States in order to make friends against someone does not guarantee that tomorrow, the mattresses will not deploy a company to dismantle statehood “ally”, which lost the support of a real ally. We can only sack a mattress, or at least effectively resist it, together.
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      China versus the USA, that a greyhound puppy versus a wolfhound, let Vietnam try to overpower it first ... so sleep well.
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        China versus the USA, that a greyhound puppy versus a wolfhound, let Vietnam try to overpower it first ... so sleep well.

        Well, most of the Paracel Islands of the PRC have already mastered, i.e. oil fields are not superfluous, but they have enough of their jungle ....
      2. China is not going to win Vietnam. It is the main strategic and trading partner in this region.
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      "no one is afraid of us ..
      The Chinese are still weak against the Russians. "
      I would like to know where you come from so heroically fearless.
      1. If we argue who is stronger than anyone and so measured with all the neighbors on the planet, then they will have a question about why they need such a neighbor. It’s better not to deal with this.
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          My comment was addressed to Magistr, here is this:
          "The Chinese are weak so far against the Russians," ...
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    The Chinese are much more dangerous when God forbid military operations than NATO, because for them there is no critical loss of manpower, if Europe and the United States begin to rally with large losses in hostilities, then for the PRC it’s nothing, even 100 million losses are not critical, and for us 10 will be terrible with our demography of the titular people .
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      Quote: Sailor
      The Chinese are much more dangerous when God forbid military operations than NATO, because for them there is no critical loss of manpower, if Europe and the United States begin to rally with large losses in hostilities, then for the PRC it’s nothing, even 100 million losses are not critical,

      Say 100 million ... but didn’t you think why the PLA decided to reduce by 300 thousand people? Probably, due to the reduction in the number and increase in quality .... they still and after the reduction have a large number of infantry units in the automotive and not armored vehicles, what number of infantry battalions from their total number in the NE ....
      You can imagine what resources a country must possess in order to boot, arm and feed 100 million army, and you are talking only about the loss of 100 million people ....

      Here the author of the article writes for example:
      and a combat-ready mobilization resource is estimated by various estimates as from 20 to 40 million people.

      And what is the real number of the above numbers who are military-trained and fit for military service? And how many of the above number of people can be provided with weapons, military equipment, ammunition, etc.?

      By the way, using Soviet (Russian) legal terminology, it is more correct to say mobilization human resource....

      The stock consists of a mobilization human reserve and mobilization human resource.
      A mobilization reserve (hereinafter also referred to as a reserve) is understood to mean citizens who are in reserve and who have concluded in the established manner a contract to remain in a mobilization reserve (hereinafter referred to as a contract to remain in reserve).
      Under the mobilization human resource refers to citizens who are in stock and not part of the reserve.

      paragraph 2 of paragraph 1 and paragraphs 2-3 of Article 51.2 of the Federal Law "On Military Duty and Military Service" of March 28.03.1998, 53 NXNUMX-FZ (latest edition)
      http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_18260/165f56793a1c3a59fad6004c0bf9d4fc6ca355b5/

      Today, our neighbors here (no later than 5 years ago and later) increased their aircraft by 2,5 times and faced such a problem as armament, equipment and staffing (retrofitting and equipping) of the existing and created units and units of the armed forces ... Mosin’s rifles and Maxim system machine guns from long-term storage depots (it’s scary to imagine how much of this stuff we have) they went into the troops, including to the anti-terrorist operation zone ...

      In general, if you didn’t get smart, it would be better if Israeli Jews would have best told us about mobilization readiness (something is missing here) ....
      1. The size of the armed forces is currently not the dominant factor in their combat ability. Especially when it comes to military conflicts with a high-tech enemy, and even with a nuclear weapon. Larger in number of forces are most likely needed to "projection of force" on a remote theater (see USA). However, the maintenance of expeditionary forces and their bases in areas of national interest is a very expensive pleasure and feeder for corrupt officials, as the experience of the United States has shown. And who is now letting foreign troops into their territories?
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          The size of the armed forces is currently not the dominant factor in their combat ability.

          Tell me, this is the generals of the APU ....
          1. Do not take the phrase out of context: I speak in military conflicts against a high-tech enemy.
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              Quote: Tsyrendorzhiev Sambu Rabdanovich
              Do not take the phrase out of context: I speak in military conflicts against a high-tech enemy.

              I don’t tear anything out ... I am expressing my thoughts .... you don’t want to read .... for this, the forum was created to discuss the topic of an article ...
              Both India and Pakistan have both nuclear powers, both have high-tech B and BT and VPK, have numerous armed forces and they are forced to maintain such a strength in order to prevent the outbreak of war, including using conventional weapons, you will not dispute the ratio of the Indian Armed Forces and the high percentage of new equipment in their arsenal ....
              The quality of the economy depends on the nature of the war for which the country is preparing and the strength and strength of their armed forces depends on them ....

              Two armies are in constant readiness on the Korean Peninsula (approximately equal in number, and the mobilization manpower of the RK is greater than that of the DPRK): the Armed Forces of the RK, which have modern and high-tech air forces, the air force, the navy, but they are opposed by the KPA which has an outdated B and BT, but with greater firepower and weapons of mass destruction ....
              Neither RK nor DPRK will win the war by starting it first ....

              The PLA is forced to keep most of its forces on the coast of its country and on the border with the DPRK in order to stop the possible successful offensive of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan along the South-West of the DPRK in order to form a common front between the PLA and the Joint forces of the US-South Korean command

              All the large countries you know are still armed with a large n / a, because threatened period in a large-scale war of high intensity may not be, and, accordingly, there may not be a period of mobilization deployment ....

              For example, Ukraine, for 20 years of its independence, was in the top ten exporters of В and ВТ, but not due to its production, but due to the sale of В and ВТ stocks of SA ...
              When it was required to increase the APU, it turned out that the country could not provide the increased aircraft with everything necessary, the SA stocks had run out, and the military-industrial complex could not provide the entire range of B and BT ....
              However, the increase in the number of APU is a military necessity, and the deployment of nat. baht, in 2014 this is essentially a partial (and hidden) mobilization ....
              1. I do not mind you, but merely clarify that the strength of the armed forces is not the dominant factor in ensuring military security. A rational combination of general-purpose forces and strategic deterrence forces (whoever has them) in each country may be different. If the combat potential of the strategic deterrence forces is not enough, increase the combat potential of SLE. Those countries for which the combat potential of the strategic nuclear forces and other deterrent forces (NFP, TNW, WTO DB, MTR) is not too large add SON. Who does not have a strategic nuclear forces, he is forced to increase the number of sleep. That's all. Of course, everything depends on the military-political leadership of the state assessing military threats and the accepted views on the use of the armed forces in peacetime, during the growing military threat and in wartime. You are right, a military conflict may begin with the military personnel of peacetime forces. But then the potential of a military threat will be completely different than after the completion of the mobilization and strategic deployment. The aggressor needs to have a relatively large number of groupings of troops (forces) than the defender.
                As for Ukraine, I would not use its example in this case. Her aircraft are not high-tech.
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                  Quote: Tsyrendorzhiev Sambu Rabdanovich
                  I do not mind you, but merely clarify that the strength of the armed forces is not the dominant factor in ensuring military security.

                  There are limits of numbers, peacetime armed forces cannot exceed 1% of the country's population, otherwise the entire economy will collapse (a living example of this, the USSR), there is also a minimum number of armed forces, for example, when the strength of armed forces does not contribute to the implementation tasks for the defense of national territory and operations in overseas territories, for example, the United Kingdom ...

                  the potential of a military threat will be completely different than after the completion of the mobilization and strategic deployment. The aggressor needs to have a relatively large number of groupings of troops (forces) than the defender

                  That’s why NATO created constant readiness forces, united by AKs in different directions of attack .... NATO forces were created in the North Atlantic, Indian Ocean, a group of mine-sweeping forces in the English Channel, for example. etc.

                  As for Ukraine, I would not use its example in this case. Her aircraft are not high-tech

                  I would not underestimate it, if, with the help of the Russian Federation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine became an enlarged copy of the 1st and 2nd AK LDNR, then at least its SV would be the strongest in Europe ....
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    I was born in the south of Western Siberia, and lived in Alma-Ata. I remember in the 80s, the Russian grandfather lived nearby, my parents said that he was expelled from China. Also, the elderly Chinese lived ... My grandmother for hooliganism, called me "Hungweib."
    He graduated from the school named after Sergeant PV Golovin of the deceased in Damansky.
    China reminds me of a bee hive, a common ideology connects all walks of life. The coronavirus epidemic showed that the instructions of the government and the party are being carried out implicitly.
    Regarding the ideas of Confucianism, the example of Mao Zedong with its interpretation, especially peaceful coexistence, is indicative. Perhaps if a leader like the "great helmsman" appears in China, the Chinese will follow all instructions.
    According to the experience of working and living in Kamchatka since 2000, I will say that in the zero years in the construction, the Chinese were present as unskilled workers. Since 2010, they have not been.
    Chinese capital is present in the field of extraction of aquatic biological resources and mining, that is, we provide China with cheap raw materials.
    I am sure that the same situation is in other regions of the FEFD of the Siberian Federal District and beyond.
    Why do they need military expansion and occupation if money makes it much more effective?
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    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Silvestr
    Russia and China: peace, war, cooperation, expansion. Underline whatever applicable

    temporary companions

    I believe that if nothing is done demographically, then by quiet glanders, after 50 years, the Chinese will populate both the Far East and Siberia. The richer China will be, the more difficult it will be for us to negotiate with it, even now they are practically non-negotiable. So, it would be nice if China slowed down in economic terms.
    And with us, with the current course, there is definitely no chance of increasing the population and improving the quality of life.
    The prospect looks bleak.

    1. I support the authors of the video about criminal decisions in the field of our forest conservation and nature protection territories. The actual elimination of forest protection was carried out in conjunction with the actions of local authorities in deforestation. The authors are not quite right that the 90s are not relevant to the situation. If anyone remembers, the struggle for the preservation of the organs and units of forest protection has been going on for quite some time, and by the end of the 90s (approximately) it ended with the defeat of the defenders of our forests. And then regional and district officials joined in the development of forest wealth. In Buryatia, a law was even adopted that allowed deforestation in the conservation zone around Lake Baikal. Prosecutor of the Baikal environmental prosecutor's office V. Markov actively fought against illegal logging and blamed the republican authorities, including the president of Buryatia (Potapov L.V.). As a result, by the decision of the Attorney General of Chaika, this prosecutor’s office was abolished! Markov was transferred by the district prosecutor to the Balagan prosecutor's office (Irkutsk region). He also discovered large-scale thefts of the forest there. Irkutsk officials found a way to discredit Markov and fired. Theft continues. However, in 2019, the son of Markov, an investigator of the Irkutsk Environmental Protection Prosecutor's Office, under whose jurisdiction the entire Baikal region was able to initiate the abolition of the ill-fated law on deforestation in the nature protection zone in the Baikal nature reserve of Buryatia and succeed. It is possible that there are still positive examples in the struggle for our national heritage. I look forward to action from Tsydenov, the current head of Buryatia with his young creative team. In any case, the complex of projects for the revival of the republic has passed the project stage and the practical stage has begun and is going on. In general, the scope of corruption in the Irkutsk region is difficult to recognize. It was there that Chaika was the prosecutor and there the talents of his fat son blossomed, who at one time had the reputation of being the master of the Lena River (!) With its quays and other river facilities. The state that we have built on the ruins of the USSR is an example of the victory of robber instincts over the people. The future is unclear and ghostly dreams, which may have remained in the popular consciousness, only they give rise to some hope.
  24. Mavrikiy April 23 2020 05: 40 New
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    K. Eggert, who assesses China as a lying totalitarian country that poses an undoubted threat to Russia, which he is very concerned about. It pleases, because most recently K. Eggert could not be suspected of tender feelings towards the Russian Federation.
    Author, where is the contradiction? Rather, it is a confirmation that Szgert is lying and China is our friend and brother. repeat Though I doubt it.
    1. Guilty, I quoted Eggert not entirely successfully. In his article in the journal Snob, he says that we are trying to establish a strategic partnership with China, and he is as bad as we are. Meanwhile, the threat of creeping Chinese expansion is growing, which the Russian leadership does not see, and he is therefore worried. Here is what I had to say.
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        "At this time, the threat of creeping Chinese expansion is growing, which the Russian leadership does not see, and he is therefore worried."
        It seems that she sees perfectly, moreover, initiates the process. This also applies to immigrants from Central Asia, only according to a different scheme. IMHO. hi
  25. Normal ok April 23 2020 08: 27 New
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    the border will be crossed by small groups of 3-4 million people.
    1. From 1971 to 1975, I served near the Chinese border in 122 Guards of the Stalingrad-Kiev Order of Lenin, the Red Banner Orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov of the motorized rifle division stationed at St. Dauria. In the winter of 1971 at the training camp, the head of the division’s intelligence reported that our division of the border was with the Chinese Head of the frontier post involved in the conflict on Fr. Damansky. And he reported on the PLA’s plan of action with the outbreak of aggression. In particular, it was said about Chinese reconnaissance and sabotage groups capable of walking up to 100 km per day on foot. Their goal was officers who lived in DOSs (the house of officers) separately from their military units. Then this joke appeared about groups of Chinese saboteurs numbering 1-2 million people. So you, Peter are 2-3 times wrong! But seriously, looking back, I can say that then the aggression of China in the Daurian operational area would be reliably repelled. The grouping of troops (forces) was quite combat-ready and did not need mobilization. All that was needed was a partial understaffing. In addition to the army corps, UR (fortified areas), aviation, formations and units of front (district) subordination were deployed there on the very border.
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    Personally, the military expansion of China seems very dubious to me for a very simple reason - but what exactly is capturing?
    Access to the seas? So the Chinese will have better exits than ours.
    Any extremely rich and rare strategic mineral deposits? The same seems to be not observed in the region. There is something useful, of course, but to fight for this?
    Maybe the climate is chic? No. A little further to the North - permafrost, midges, annual temperature drops of 80 - 90 degrees Celsius. They (the Chinese) have their own territories of this type. Doesn’t it seem strange to you at all that over many centuries the Russian authorities over Western Siberia and the Far East have not really been populated by these lands? But I don’t think so. I have lived enough in the North so as not to experience illusions on this score.
    As for cultural expansion or creeping occupation, I dare to think that:
    1. In the eyes of the Chinese, we are flat-faced, terrible, enormous northern barbarians. And we will remain so forever and ever. You can write in Wenyang, read Confucius in the original, recite Li Bo's verses and understand the intricacies of the tea ceremony, but still you will remain a white, flat-faced monkey, a stranger, barking. That is, the Chinese will never share with us, barbarians, their culture, and, therefore, there can be no talk of cultural expansion.
    2. Creeping occupation is a tempting and quite possible matter, because Chinese civilization plays a long one, but the question arises - what the hell? That military, that creeping occupation should be carried out for the sake of something specific. Nevertheless, as I noted above, I see no reason for such actions, with the possible exception of the Amur Region, the EAO, and the like — the plain and climate are relatively mild there, but the Chinese are doing this kind of occupation beautifully in Africa.

    And here is what they really can do - come, pick up what’s needed and dump it, at the same time decently by * equal.
    In relation to our realities, this, of course, is the biosphere. Predatory, illegal logging on an industrial scale, removal of the top layer of fertile soil, shooting livestock and other miscellaneous.
    In short, after their "economic" activity, the lunar landscape remains.
    Of course, even after our logging enterprises there are far from paradise, but these can be, after long ordeals, taken by the khibon and forced to at least plant trees, and you will understand that there will be no extradition for Amur.
    I think so.
    1. I will never forget how the Czechs were given, in my opinion, 1 year to host on Baikal. That was in the 60s. Maybe someone will recall, specify. During this time, they hunted omul so predatoryly that after them they had to restore the population of this most valuable fish for several years. As a result, the omul chopped and did not recover in size. For many years, a forest has been cut down around Lake Baikal and taken to China. As a result, many rivers flowing into the lake disappeared. But last year, environmental prosecutors managed to repeal the law, which was passed by Khural of Buryatia, and in accordance with which logging and hunting were allowed in the nature protection zone and in nature reserves. In these deforestation, the rich were not ordinary residents of the republic, but the republican authorities. And no one was convicted. The Chinese and other strangers in our land are hosting with permission and under the guise of our local authorities!
      1. WayKheThuo April 24 2020 07: 39 New
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        That's it. It is one thing to conquer, and then equip the land for oneself, and another to come, pick up, shit and dump home. Firstly, it’s cheaper, and secondly, it’s safer.
        In fact, what we allow to do with our land will be.
  27. Chaldon48 April 23 2020 12: 51 New
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    But do BRICS need to be destroyed, in my opinion, it has already collapsed a long time ago, especially considering the recent statements by India
  28. Sahalinets April 23 2020 15: 45 New
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    I live on Sakhalin, the Chinese are negligible. I visit Khabarovsk regularly, I also haven’t seen much. Chinese immigration is such a horror story from Muscovites who have never reached the Urals.
    1. Sirocco April 25 2020 16: 12 New
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      Chinese immigration is such a horror story from Muscovites,

      You tell this to Muscovites, and not to residents of Transbaikalia and the Far East. I do not need to hang noodles))))
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    China must be pulled to its side, in every way possible to tear it from the United States. Assign the Chinese to build the Moscow-Kazan high-speed railway, and the Chinese will be grateful, they will have prospects in Russia in addition to the barbaric planting of cucumbers or deforestation by illegal Chinese workers. The scale of cooperation today defines friendship or hostility between countries. States know how to rob and divide, in Russia since the tsarist times they knew how to build and increase. The Chinese are well aware of this. Today, the West is once again ready to use the opium war strategy against China. Why do we need to support these barbarians, who once destroyed Rome, and then over the course of two thousand years gradually destroyed everything that was beyond their control or out of their control?
    If the disputes of biased officials, their petty ambitions and corruption interests prevail, then there is nothing good to expect.
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      Quote: 1536
      Challenge the Chinese to build the Moscow-Kazan high-speed railway, and the Chinese will be grateful, they will open prospects in Russia

      No one else? It might be better to entrust Russian Railways and the DPRK (people) to build this high-speed railway, and entrust the rolling stock to the Tver Carriage Works and the German company SIEMENS, believe me, they will all be no less grateful to the Russian Federation, and the empirialists will still lose their dreams thinking about, that the DPRK will spend earned in the Russian Federation ....
      Feels you don’t feel the whole real political moment ...
  30. Sirocco April 25 2020 16: 10 New
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    Summarizing the aforesaid, one can quite confidently believe that there are no territorial claims, let alone contradictions between Russia and China.
    Who told you such nonsense? About the textbooks with maps of China to the Urals, only the lazy did not say, the last is the Chinese claims to Kazakhstan today, Kazakhs and Kirghiz also strained in the territories and chopped off. Take at least about. Olkhon on Lake Baikal, there is neither the payment system of the Russian Federation, nor workers in the travel industry of Chinese hotels, etc. I have a woman with a child from a Chinese in the entrance, and then they hang noodles.
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    Aag April 25 2020 23: 20 New
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    Quote: Sirocco
    Quote: Sahalinets
    Chinese immigration is such a horror story from Muscovites,

    You tell this to Muscovites, and not to residents of Transbaikalia and the Far East. I do not need to hang noodles))))

    By joining!
    I’ll call Sakhalin tomorrow, I’ll clarify ...
  32. Old Horseradish April 26 2020 16: 30 New
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    Laughably. Some scientists, no matter how you teach, but they still ....
    That we are already a subcolony of China? There is no industry from the word at all, one Chinese bullshit everywhere. We have become a raw materials appendage not only of the West, but also of China. And only a person with Alzheimer's disease can call this a strategy.
    Why don’t you write who is so hard pumping China with the latest weapons? Which then comes back to us.
    Any fool understands that China is preparing for war. Yes, they will only climb out of Baikal, not to mention everything else.

    Chinese Air Force worked night rocket-bombing attacks in the north-west of the country
  33. Old Horseradish April 26 2020 16: 33 New
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    Laughably. Some comrades here write that we have few Chinese in the Far East and Siberia. From this it is concluded that China will never go to war on Russia. Thinking kindergarten level. In early 1941, there were very few Germans in the European territory of the USSR. And by the end of 1941 there were a lot of them.
    When will history begin to teach us something?
    I think never.
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      Thinking kindergarten level.

      Have provocateurs spring aggravation?
  34. Old Horseradish April 26 2020 18: 33 New
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    Comrades, be vigilant! Beijing agents have long been here at home! The expansion also includes the introduction into the minds of dear Russians that the Chinese nation is the best, peaceable, white, fluffy. Learn the history of Russia, comrades! All wars began suddenly, treacherously. Take that Napoleon, take that Hitler, take that Batu, take that our friends are Poles. And always Russia was not ready for war. Maybe you don’t need to repeat the mistakes of the past?
  35. Eug
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    In global terms, the Chinese priority in relations must be abandoned, in the tactical - situationally-pragmatic cooperation, there are trump cards, it is important not to lose them. In the coming years I see a tough "milking" of Russia by the States and especially China, which will try to come closer to dominance after the crisis. He really needs Russian resources for this ..